zealot-class

[fleet zealot]

there is a few spots where this is really clutch ngl

I cna't remember any of them

but it is good to go around and test spots and you might just find a great sightline

[fiery ingot]

holy shit i did not know about this

[ripe quest]

I could see the argument for Anoint a bit but that doesn't make sense.

[ornate bone]

That left side part of benediction and chastise is so fucking good

[fiery ingot]

500 hours in and prob 200 of them is playing vet

[ripe quest]

The ult, is potent? And you spend a 2nd point to get a 2nd ability charge? WHAT

That's crazy

[ornate bone]

It's a low cost for something incredibly versatile

[ripe quest]

It's an ult no shit

[spare dome]

I have often been tempted to just not even take the second charge on some builds.

[ornate bone]

And it's preceded by another set of great talents

[ripe quest]

All three are highly impactful because that's their design.

[spare dome]

Tbf you do gotta eat the +25% suppression node below it lol

[ornate bone]

Pensive emoji

[fiery ingot]

[ornate bone]

The top of the tree is interesting

Left has woundgating before the blitz

But right has crit TDR

I gives the player interesting expensive choices

[ripe quest]

mrw when the skill tree has builds

[ornate bone]

And scourge coming after backstab technically makes it a 2-point talent

[spare dome]

zealot got the best tree imo

[ornate bone]

Unless the player is doing stealth, which they don't always do

[spare dome]

also can we take a moment to laugh at how the best psyker aura isnt an aura node but a regular blue node (psykinetics aura)

[ripe quest]

Zealot feels like it has the least fodder nodes. I personally like the design of the Psyker tree, not much the nodes. My favorite rn is Ogryn's tree just overall.

[ornate bone]

Funny cooldown

[spare dome]

psyker tree frustrates me tbh, One With the Warp and Psykinetics Aura are way too fucking good, so I find myself almost default locked out of the top right

[ornate bone]

Same

[spare dome]

assail down to crit aura

[ornate bone]

I wept when I went full right

[fiery ingot]

i just inspected a psykher to see how their tree is

and i regret it

i hate it

[visual stream]

Psyker tree frustrates me because the only blitz that isn't boring is brain burst, and the dedicated fragging ability is (arguably) worse than the dedicated safe ability in both safety and damage

[spare dome]

assails most limiting balance factor is that you can't use psykinetics aura with it, and thats just strange

[visual stream]

At least from my limited time paying attention to them, that's how it seems

Also feels like there's substantially less freedom than zealot builds

[spare dome]

thats cause there is lol

[light holly]

Gotta try Gun psyker

[fleet zealot]

psyker tree is so good but it just has random trash

like I legit still think the tree is too strong cause assail EP build can go 4x toughness talents + EP toughness talent

but then you have just stupid shit that obviously isn't up to par with other classes

[visual stream]

Assail moment

I wonder if they'll scrap it and turn it into something actually interactive

[fleet zealot]

i love assail design wise

it is fun and thematic and i don't think interactive should be used as a code word when ogryn blitz's exist

[south folio]

shooting its max ammo count and tying the regen mechanic to something more interactive is all i need

[visual stream]

I like the idea, I was just disappointed that it wasn't just one strong needle that you could command like Yondu's lil arrow from GotG

And instead is

[fleet zealot]

ANGRY BEES

[visual stream]

Left click

[south folio]

e,g,, reworking quickshards from a straight up numeric buff to "get x% regen buff on non-blitz weakspot hit for 1 second" or something

[calm salmon]

Rock: infinite

Box: dogshit

Nuke: best grenade in the game

[fleet zealot]

rock, guaranteed to never be used except when i'm ready to one shot the mutant with my melee

that's how my first hardmode team beat the twins

[visual stream]

Nah because I tried box in psykhanium and as soon as I saw it didn't even kill the infested it landed next to, I immediately switched

Just like

[calm salmon]

I think rock should be 2 but put on a 20 second cooldown

[visual stream]

SO horrible

[fleet zealot]

we just funneled all 4 ammo crate charges to the ogryn

[calm salmon]

box bumped up to 4

[ornate bone]

Rock is the way

[calm salmon]

and nuke's armor penetration needs to be, well, nuked.

Both flak and carapace

[fleet zealot]

box should get bleed or fire or wait

maybe more delayed explosives?

like it makes a psuedo minefield?

[calm salmon]

nah

just give it 4

that's all it needs.

[visual stream]

Assessment: umgak

[ornate bone]

Umgakery

[fleet zealot]

idk having it be an area denial tool would actually be pretty cool and unique

[visual stream]

A dot effect could be neat

And it would stack with glugger ability as well

[fleet zealot]

where it has the initial explosion but there is just more clusters over a longer period of time

[visual stream]

Synergy good

[fleet zealot]

and since it is in the taunt line, it would synergize with taunt which lets you control enemy movement

[ripe quest]

Nerfing the nuke to be more focused on fleshy enemies like Puri is saying and upping box count would probably be fine imo

Box being the standard issue grenade that can be spammy would suit it.

[fleet zealot]

idc about fine my autistic brain is hyperfixated on a box that literally creates a no-man's land

cause that would sync with taunt, you throw the box, and then force the enemies to fight in your explosive hell

[ripe quest]

With a little initiative you can make the ambient explosives that

[fleet zealot]

yee i meant like, 10 seconds of explosions? maybe 15, but that might be pushing it

[visual stream]

I personally feel like the damage on the mini nades should be upped no matter what, unless I'm wrong the fact that it doesn't even kill regular infested trash is very, very sad

[fiery ingot]

it does a considerable amount of damage to my fps tho

[light holly]

waack

[calm salmon]

these are just facts

[light holly]

[ornate bone]

Velma socks

Gazoinks Scoob

Like, we gotta kill the xenos, man

[meager bison]

What blessings are you looking for on heavy evis 15?

[ripe quest]

Rampage + Anything except Rev it Up, Perfect Strike, and Bloodletter.

Cleave is strictly for CC.

[fiery ingot]

what are the best maps for true solo?

[meager bison]

Thank you

[meager bison]

Silo

[fiery ingot]

ty

[meager bison]

oh wait sorry

the

Means I was kidding

And silo will probably be rough solo

[fiery ingot]

oh

[ripe quest]

I've found that any maps with large open areas can be annoying in solos since it can be build restricting, and Assassination mission have been really difficult.

[meager bison]

What about the new mercantile map, there's no objectives to do, right?

You can hold in that area

[ornate bone]

Perfect strike enjoyers

[ripe quest]

The newest Carnival one is annoying during the starting bits

[fiery ingot]

i hate that map

[meager bison]

Ah, that's true

[fiery ingot]

because of the area that you got to wait enemies to spawn

and they take forever to spawn

tho idk how it goes on solo

[ripe quest]

Shred + Perfect Strike on the Mk II Evis with a crit build can be fun.

[ornate bone]

Shred and perfect strike is quite a nice blessing combo for the new eviscerator

[ripe quest]

no

On the Mk XV it's not really doing much over Wrath and SS. You already hit like 33 cleave with them that the 44 that Perfect Strike offers is super overkill

To add you aren't doing shit with the armor bounce ignore on the XV

[ornate bone]

It's not for the cleave, it's for the armor abort

[ripe quest]

wow you can hit Crushers for 50 damage

[ornate bone]

Not caring for crushers and bulwarks with horizontal attacks is awesome

[meager bison]

What about smelter with fire grenade and a shotgun for the spores?

[ornate bone]

Hab Dreyko stealth enjoyers

[fiery ingot]

thats a cool idea

[sharp zodiac]

Kinda wish we could blacklist certain maps

Mainly cause I'm tired of either

A. No one is on the map i wanna play in Auric

B. Qp is the same map everytime

[ornate bone]

Counterpoint

Hammer Station

I know the entire lore of the Advozse Hegemony

[meager bison]

I find my attempts at buffing up a scoreboard when I get into an empty map are quickly ruined by people joining, maybe you aren't waiting long enough?

I am NA though

[ornate bone]

HOUNDS OF THE REPUBLIC
COME TO STEAL BACK YOUR BATTLE STATION? YOU WON'T HAVE IT.

[sharp zodiac]

I wait until the match itself is about to begin

So like..30 seconds

[fleet zealot]

im feeling mentally unwell after seeing that 50k animation

[meager bison]

Oh I play for a minute or two, and then suddenly 3 people join.

[ornate bone]

HOUNDS OF THE EMPIRE
ALL THAT POWER, YET YOU STILL FEAR US.

[fleet zealot]

it's because the manual pickers usually pick the newest/most efficient/most fun maps. If you manual pick you should have QP people filling in after a few minutes

[meager bison]

Yeah, I don't wait in the lobby either.

I insta hit ready

Sometimes I load to a 4 person lobby

[steep flame]

its just really fucking shit for 50k

[fleet zealot]

i'm just saying if I comm'd out 50k for an animation for a character i have the hots for

it would not be on youtube and it would not be an amv

that shit better come with VR support too

[steep flame]

fr

highly detailed 10 minute sex scene with rinda

[fleet zealot]

also like

that is not worth

bankrupting yourself over

[ornate bone]

If I was to spend that much money

I'd buy a 3D model, animation courses and make the porn myself

[sharp zodiac]

Vervalase moment

[ornate bone]

And then buy a car with the remaining 49K

[fleet zealot]

like

i'm in mental pain at the sheer waste of money

[ornate bone]

Audible neuronal infighting

[steep flame]

he did not bankrupt himself

but it is a very stupid investment

[fleet zealot]

then those patreon donators a few years back got fucking scammmeddd

[steep flame]

true

[maiden path]

some of u dont understand da grind..

50k aint nothing to a guy like me...

[median steeple]

Gotta be one of the worst things i've seen

considering death now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967102699789221918/1195870381182025838/dc72d21d3a5cd4458e872865835baa54.mp4?ex=65b59015&is=65a31b15&hm=f1420acb01c54ffe4d59101791696f854a98abd62a8e0bc4987a08cfaf679a88&

BG3 multiplayer campaigns are so goofy

[maiden path]

pov pashtun

[steep flame]

when warhammer 50k coming out

[ornate bone]

@meager bison The original idea before the mention of Grim Dawn was to rearrange it in this shape

[steep flame]

just had possibly one of the most cancerous titanfall 2 games

[median steeple]

cant wait for 40k endtimes

[steep flame]

no cheaters just a bunch of good players

[median steeple]

and age of the emperor afterwards

[steep flame]

and my team was full of idiots

[fiery ingot]

we still got to get through 41k first

[ornate bone]

The locations are just placeholders, but for example, leaving the rending talents right at the bottom where the player already has spent most of their points

Or other similar talents that have gamechanging importance on the build

And the player could zigzag between the left and the right at no cost, focusing more on which things they want to take while leaving points for the very good stuff that will fill the bottom

And the points would be set and the bottom would be filled in such a way the player still won't be able to get everything good, which is the appeal of making builds

It really is just a thing for me to not keep spending 2 or 3 points each time I want to grab something on the other side, then 2 or 3 points to come back

Stuff like this shouldn't be hindered by "oh, you want to go to the other side again?" taxes

[median steeple]

I HATE TAX NODES I HATE TAX NODES

I HATE TAXES

[ornate bone]

In an ideal world these taxes would be to balance the interaction between the things the player wants to get

Say, if there was an ammo-hungry talent on the right side of the tree and getting survivalist on the left helped with it

They would work well together and the player would pay a tax for it

[ripe quest]

thank god this isn't in the game rn

[ornate bone]

Your feedback is appreciated

[ripe quest]

🫡

[ornate bone]

I am confident the incredible points you raised will help me fix the problems this design has

[vale carbon]

man, this roll is such a meme i grabbed it
probably just going to roll it to blue to grind blessings, but how terrible is it?

[ornate bone]

Is what I would have said if your entire point hasn't been to be an ass the entire time

[delicate shadow]

Redistribution of skill points 😤

[sterile stone]

@median steeple Habibi

[ornate bone]

I get that you don'tl ike it, just don't keep popping up to clown on it and leaving it at that

[sterile stone]

We need 1 more for Six days in Fallujah

[median steeple]

sorry I am in the middle of a BG3 multiplayer sesh plus my power might go out because its -50

[ornate bone]

I'm here showing a sketch of an idea that I think could lead to something that improves the talent tree pathing in this game, I got off work, it's almost 1 AM and I really don't need someone just tossing snarky comments and going away

[delicate shadow]

Not a full week

Smh

[sterile stone]

🫂

[median steeple]

[ripe quest]

I have no idea where to start, like, it's a completely different system fundamentally. It solves entirely different problems that would suit a game where your goal is to get as strong as possible. I said it before but a system like this would make our powercreep problem way worse until Fatshark nerfs everything into the ground or makes a rework to how difficulty is done.

[ornate bone]

The powercreep will depend on how they rearrange the talents, and if they even decide to keep all of them or maybe change others to fit the system

We could group certain good talents on lines and make a limit of 2 per line, for example

We could toss good things at the bottom

[vale carbon]

i honestly have half a mind to build this up just to mess with people who inspect

[ripe quest]

We already have so much freedom that it's causing problems right now, it gets exponentially harder to balance stuff as the number of combinations increases.

[spare dome]

you do want SOME collateral

[fleet zealot]

collateral is okay to dump but not that far

[ornate bone]

We could do the Grim Dawn link that has you picking talents to unlock other talents, which is kind of what we have today

[spare dome]

i dont know what the magic number is but if it's too low you won't be able to pop open a bulwark with a single shot

[vale carbon]

that was my understanding, but getting near max stats in everything but one is funny to me

[ornate bone]

Alternatively, I'd shed no tears if every single one of these

Turned into this

[fleet zealot]

55-60

[ornate bone]

And arrangements like this didn't exist

[spare dome]

this is less a trees issue and more a balance issue

[ornate bone]

"Oh, you want the tax node on the left? Too bad, you picked the crit aura lmao get fucked"

[spare dome]

we wouldn't care so much if the tree looked like that for psyker if psykinetic's aura wasn't so goshdamn strong

and PA as an example is a very generic strong node that just works with everything, it isn't particularly flavourful

[ornate bone]

Like, the horizontal nodes were a good step and it tells that the vet tree was the latest tree of the game

[spare dome]

so it's weird to push it over to the 'spell caster' (loosely) side of the tree

[ornate bone]

But even then the horizontal nodes being a whole-ass 3 gives it an expensive cost to switch sides and discourages the player from mixing and matching

[spare dome]

put PC where PA is now and everyone's opinions would change immensely

and yes, that's not inherently bad

the intention is to somewhat direct you into styles of play

and if you wanna mix it up there is indeed something of a tax

the issue is some nodes are jsut straight fucking shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

namely +25% suppression

[ornate bone]

The tax problem is that there needs to be something that makes it work paying a tax for

[spare dome]

there is, it's your playstyle and realizing it

[ripe quest]

If all four of those talents were good and the coherency auras were competitive that would be a fun building aspect of the tree.

[spare dome]

^

instead one is amazing, two are shit, and one of those four nodes is far and beyond the rest

[ornate bone]

For example, I'll go from the movement aura to exec stance. What is the interaction between both that justifies the tax to get to exec stance? Is there something on killzone that interacts with something else like agile engagement or the melee bleed thing? Does opening salvo have something important to interact with the right side?

Survivalist being the best aura aside, is there an interaction between its ammo economy buff that interacts with more grenades or the revive? Something about the stealth or its modifiers?

Something that justifies the points I'll spend crossing there?

[spare dome]

yes

the justification is you wanna

[ornate bone]

These are the kinds of questions the player needs an answer for when accounting for the taxes

Taxes can be good if they have a proper justification the player can see

If they're just flavors of different, the taxes feel like padding or punishment

Smoke grenade and exec stance is something that actually has some merit being on opposing sides

One obscures the vision and the other clears it

[spare dome]

i mean frankly those sorts of lines are arbitrary

[ornate bone]

If you smoke the enemy and use exec stance, you have clear outlines against an enemy that can't fire back

That is an interaction that starts getting into the justification territory

[spare dome]

you could also say it should be the other way around -- shredder is too aggressive for a backline shooty class. or they're actually perfect for one because it's defensive for hordes

they had to put them somewhere

[ripe quest]

I don't understand your point. The entire reason why we say certain things are taxes are because those points aren't good but have a good thing after. If I picked up Survivalist there and wanted to grab Stealth I'm spending 2 points for that freedom and getting what I want + what I spent the points on.

[ornate bone]

But that somewhere can become a problem, because depending on the somewhere we'll have different paths and different costs

[spare dome]

sure, and you can adjust some of that, which they do

frankly i just dont buy into the idea of 'tax nodes' in general

[ornate bone]

That's the thing, why is the player paying for build freedom?

[spare dome]

why not 60 points for the tree

[ornate bone]

Could the point cost not have been done in another way that didn't involve crossing through often minor bonuses?

[vivid hawk]

worth rolling?

[ripe quest]

Because if you had complete freedom this game would not be balanceable in it's current state. Especially considering how Fatshark handles stuff.

[spare dome]

those bonuses add up

[ripe quest]

Yeah go for it.

[rigid trellis]

yeah

[spare dome]

like being a realist, fatshark is not known for its uhhhh we'll just say speed of response

[ornate bone]

They add up, but they're often an afterthought for the player's ultimate goal, which is crossing the tree

[spare dome]

but the nice thing about these trees is you can make a minor alteration and have really large balance implications

without fucking up a tonne of shit anyway

[ornate bone]

The vet's melee damage nodes are great, but I'm not crossing to get that 10% health

[spare dome]

we're already lucky they didn't nerf a fucktonne of vet nodes, because vet is insane. they only squished the tree down and moved some of the power onto the keystones

[ornate bone]

It's even weird stuff

One tax node is 10% health, which is half a curio

The other can be 10% melee damage, which is not in curios at all

[ripe quest]

Part of the reason why we have somewhat diverse builds on the table is because of the restrictions in place. The more freedom the more the builds overlap.

You could almost see that happening with pre patch 13.

[lilac bone]

A lot of choices are going to be based on being pretty honest with yerself. If you know yer gonna get hit -- include toughness and health in the build. If you are extremely confident go for nodes that give you more utility: movespeed, etc. There is a point at which certain builds will be better suited for very mechanically skilled players. My opinion is that any node that can't be counted on to give a fairly reliable bonus -- isn't great. It is usually better to take a flat 10% damage bonus over a node that sounds cool but only activates in specific circumstances.

[spare dome]

i just have a hard time swallowing the notion that 10% melee damage is a fucking 'tax node' tbh lmao

can we just call them gray nodes

that's what they are

[ornate bone]

Fat nodes

[lilac bone]

And stacking a few "minor" tax nodes can add up to a lot of damage in a build.

[spare dome]

fat node is reserved solely for anoint in blood

[meager bison]

My only concern is that the complete freedom of this would do the opposite when it comes to build diversity

[ornate bone]

Which begs the question of what is the purpose of these nodes when we have some that are health, suppression, reload speed, toughness, toughness DR, stamina regen, melee damage, ranged damage

[spare dome]

their purpose is exactly those stats

[ornate bone]

Do they have a logic in what they're doing, their positioning, their pathing?

Why is the health here and not there, why is the melee damage there and not here

Well, the melee damage makes sense at least

It's on the melee side of the vet tree

[lilac bone]

They do, it's a limited logic. It is to encourage certain builds and makes certain pathing choices have a distinct advantage.

[spare dome]

these are the only tax nodes in the game

[ornate bone]

Homie dissed my sainted gunslinger

I will annihilate you and your family tree

[spare dome]

i'd love to love it if it weren't for running man and shooty-mchitharder

[ripe quest]

That's not something we can argue, that's a question for Fatshark and their balancing team. We could come up with reasons as to why those points add depth to the talent trees but we don't have concrete answers for that.

[polar nexus]

i think it came with p13

[ornate bone]

Fatshark's team, at the end of the day, is as fallible as we are

[ripe quest]

It's literally 3 back-to-back tax nodes

4 if you count the talent itself

[ornate bone]

That they are

[fiery ingot]

oh i started playing this game a month before orthus offensive update

[ornate bone]

Some of the stuff there is so bad

[zinc talon]

TAXES

[ornate bone]

Sainted gunslinger is unironically good, but the cost to get to it is oppressive

[spare dome]

i'd love to run bacon of purty more often but god those nodes are just atrocious

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-oryx-gif-14283469670598028816

[ornate bone]

Beacon of purity too

[spare dome]

and also benediction is cracked as fuck

[ornate bone]

It's a good aura, I ran it before to good results

But holy fuck, that magdump talent

[zinc talon]

I swear by bible thump, corruption eater, and stun grenades

[spare dome]

corruption eat is amazin

[polar nexus]

i love sainted gunslinger with a revolver

[zinc talon]

with max mobility and attack speed/stacking damage

[spare dome]

everything to get there is kinda balls

[ornate bone]

Funny that marty is avoiding the tree that has the keystone until you reach the bottom

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/is-that-good-confused-is-that-okay-what-do-you-think-claire-gif-16077629

[spare dome]

i will say that unremitting is much better than people think

but like

eh

[ripe quest]

I'm finding that you're unsatisfied with the bad nodes in a tree and instead of pursuing ways to improve them you want to completely rework how builds work.

[spare dome]

anyway these are balance issues more than just tree/node issues

[polar nexus]

that's my logic with vet tree: i take everything good with no special conditions to activate if i can then i make my build

[ornate bone]

I want anything

[polar nexus]

i find it harder to do that with zealot...

[ornate bone]

The rework was a suggestion, not an order

[ripe quest]

It was a fairly bad suggestion to fix the problem.

[spare dome]

just a very different suggestion tbf

[ornate bone]

One of the things people sometimes forget about suggestions is that they're not "implement what I have as it is, I know everything about everything"

[spare dome]

with its own different set of new problems

[ripe quest]

It would take forever for Fatshark to implement it and the problem talents would still be a problem. Just instead of them being tax nodes now they're decorational pieces.

[spare dome]

i think the trees are genius. not like, in their current iterations necessarily. but the idea.

[ornate bone]

It's not like Fatshark made the current vet tree when the first guy gave them the idea

I'm sure it took time to rework where the nodes would be, how the grey nodes would work and whatnot

[spare dome]

and if fatshark was a bit faster at updating and reacting to the gamestate they could make a lot of granular changes to the tree to shape outcomes <.< but they are not

[ripe quest]

It gives FS a good number of ways to balance stuff without needing to change talents.

[polar nexus]

1,6k hours in, i am great at auspex things

[spare dome]

but also survivalist needs to fucking die

so before anything else

[lilac bone]

Zealot tree is very weapons choice based IMO. A lot of the things in the tree are more based around making a certain choice of weapons viable.

[spare dome]

put that aura in the fucking dirt already

[ornate bone]

It would be pretentious for me to assume I could show them something I did in Paint in 5 minutes and have them implement it detail by detail in the game

[lilac bone]

If you really want to run hammer -- well -- the entire focus of your tree is going to mobility and attack speed.

[ornate bone]

Sometimes all you need is an idea, though

Not even an entirely related one

[spare dome]

or you could not. that's the fun

i'm still finessing and finangling so many of my builds

[ornate bone]

Sometimes you can show someone something, they'll glance at a specific part and get a lightbulb above their head

[warped dragon]

either martyr or momentum covers that tho

so you got some options

[ornate bone]

And then they'll go back to their unrelated project and change it for the better because of something you did on yours

[spare dome]

ur holdin it wron

[lilac bone]

Yup. It's not perfect, I do hope they continue balancing it. Every balance change to the tree probably means a balance change to some weapons will be necessary. V2 stuff. Balance gets messy pretty quick and Fatshark has done -- an alright job with this?

[spare dome]

you can even ADD or REMOVE entire nodes to balance stuff ;o

[sterile dune]

is this blessing fodder? I don't have momentum yet

[lilac bone]

Joke to me is all my builds cross over. Every point ends up being a trade-off.

[sterile dune]

was going to replace with this one

[ornate bone]

Guild Wars 2, for example, makes a man appreciate Darktide's state more

In there we have 3 trees with 3 choices of 3 and 3 fixed nodes

[timber ether]

the curse of console crossplay

[sterile dune]

but I guess I should reroll better stats, the low shredder of 43 kinda sucks

[ornate bone]

One of the choices I like is a node that gives me -2% damage taken per buff on my character

Except it misses everything else from another tree I want that deals great damage

[warped dragon]

ehh, FS is just slow when it comes to update/patches

[ornate bone]

So I either pick an entirely different tree or suck it up and miss out on the defense buff

[warped dragon]

vt2 only recently got the balance patch that was talked bout for 3 years

[ornate bone]

To Darktide's credit, it would at least allow me to do that, even if by spending points crossing trees

[spare dome]

is that a flexing bullet

[ornate bone]

Bloody hell, it could be

Holy shit, I initially imagined it was arrows to indicate the bullet is spinning

It really is flexing

[spare dome]

stornk bullet

this is pretty much just the old talents system we had here tho

[ornate bone]

And this tree is called "firearms"

[spare dome]

one choice of three per X levels

[ornate bone]

This is my firearm

[spare dome]

i havent fukken played GW2 in god idk a decade

[ornate bone]

I fire myself up and smash shit up

[spare dome]

shadow's embrace is all i remember

[ornate bone]

Turns out the firearm referred to the fire in my arm just before I hammered something

[spare dome]

just using one ability as assassin over and over and wiping the fucking floor of every encounter with it

[ornate bone]

Man

Thief is so fun

[spare dome]

theif

thats right

[ornate bone]

You just spam one ability and shadowstep to get more initiative and keep spamming it

[spare dome]

ima STEAL UR CRIT BUFF thanks sucker

now get blammo'd

[ornate bone]

This hone here I uh

[spare dome]

also i have eighty dodges

[ornate bone]

I press 4, wait for the cast, press 3, do two combo detonations, then create another field with T, 2 or 1, then use tab and E to do two more combo detonations and mix my Q in because it deals good damage

And I have to do the combos because the combos give me attack speed

And I equipped myself with runes that buff my buff duration so I can increase the time of the buffs I give people

And then I have a CC denial field with missile block

A damage reduction field

A stun remove in area

[spare dome]

this sounds like mesmer talk

[ornate bone]

And I have to think about like 15 different buttons while trying to avoid damage because this game doesn't have facetanking

[spare dome]

did they finally get rid of aegis

[ornate bone]

God forbid I spam dodges, because this thing's stamina regen makes Dark Souls look like the Olympics

[spare dome]

cause there was definitely face tanking before

[ornate bone]

Hah, you wish

I mean, there is facetanking but it can be a very uhhhh

Active thing

[spare dome]

yeah dodge tanking

keeping the buff up etc.

[ornate bone]

My healing is based on speed/swiftness, barrier and self-healing

[spare dome]

my memory of the game was basically elementalists were insane and guardians were just there for when the elementalist had to wait on cooldowns to cycle again

[ornate bone]

I basically survive just enough to use my heal and need to not die before the cooldown is over

[spare dome]

and both tanked basically by repeatedly stacking aegis buffs on one or the other to survive

[ornate bone]

I hear tales from older folk that the quickness and alacrity meta really did a number in the game

[spare dome]

meanwhile id just hang out in the back shooting pistols

[ornate bone]

You have people asking for "qdps" and "adps"

I kinda steered away from guardian because of the meta surrounding it and how it's basically the most played class or something

Funny, paladin was meta as fuck in DDO too

It's almost like giving a heavy armor melee class the ability to buff and heal makes it very strong

[spare dome]

guardian just had a gimmick to guaranteed pull aggro

again tho i am working off a decade old memory of experiences

i can firmly say that GW2 of 2012-13 was not at all balanced

Shadow's Embrace is something I could only invent in a PvP game as a joke

But it was a real skill

That granted immediate stealth to everyone inside it, full healed them, then gave you a bonus 10s of stealth and move speed

Instant cast time

30s cooldown

on the thief, lmao

not even a support class

aaah, good times

you could never lose a dungeon so long as thief was the last man standing

and you could literally appear from thin air as a group of 30 in PvP and start demolishing people

it was not ... fun

it was bullying, really

[ornate bone]

You see

Scrapper has the stealth gyro

And scrapper has a choice to give superspeed on well skills

You can give people 18 seconds of stealth on top of superspeed

It's basically the vanguard of "fuck you"

[spare dome]

so the same thing all over again huh

[sterile stone]

What is this

[ornate bone]

The war that the guilds had twice

It's a hammer

Because they made firearms when the engineer could only use firearms

Now we have a hammer, a lightsaber and a mace

[keen silo]

freakin love the crusher

[fiery ingot]

yes

crusher is a way of living

disrespectfully crush your enemies

[keen silo]

i want to get skullcrusher IV so i can squeeze the most out of it

[fiery ingot]

slap them left and right

[keen silo]

it feels good bullying crushers

those mofcukers

[fiery ingot]

feels good opening bulwarks legs whenever i want to

[north sedge]

I at least buy them rations first

[keen silo]

😭

what do ogryns eat

[fiery ingot]

they're uncivilized they dont need rations

[keen silo]

wow youre heartless

also uh is thammer IV faster than crucis?

or same speed?

interms of swings

[fiery ingot]

#zealot-class message

[keen silo]

lmao

fair

theyre harder than crushers for me

[fiery ingot]

they're the most annoying enemy type in the game imo

even worse than mutants and their obnoxious endless screams

[keen silo]

ogryn class should be able to break bulwark shields

literally

[agile pivot]

[keen silo]

trying to get IV blessings are so aids ngl

literally rng

and melk gives shit weapons

not even worth spending

[digital yacht]

its okay, im over 100k plasteel trying to get riposte 4

[spare dome]

id share if i could

[fiery ingot]

id take it if i could

[vivid hawk]

tfw the plasma vets are good

took less than 25 damage

[dense field]

Just don't get hit

[haughty haven]

WHAT DO FOR THAT POOPY BLESSING

[ornate bone]

Headtaker

[haughty haven]

figured i'd keep hit chance to just further exploit the ccritty build

[haughty haven]

love you

[ornate bone]

The crit chance is a bit of a shame on that sword, maybe

Woulda been the funny on mk9

[haughty haven]

eh i figure just throw it on the top of a pile of other crit chance lol

[haughty haven]

is this on 4 or 5?

[vivid hawk]

auric damnation qp

[haughty haven]

my buddy has this mod and i just got done with a 5 with a posted 460000 with 260000 overkill on vette

revolver not plasma

lmao

[dense field]

Gotta blast em poxwalkers

[regal stratus]

still working on leveling my zealot but when I can start Brunt Roulette, what blessings are good for the power maul?

[haughty haven]

there's a guide for it

[dense field]

Skullcrusher and whatever

[haughty haven]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127724964

[fleet zealot]

Skullcrusher and literallt doesnt matter

[regal stratus]

ok so skullcrusher is the anchor and then just- alrightyyy

[haughty haven]

the guide is linked above

[regal stratus]

thx

[fleet zealot]

A purple crusher with skullcrusher would still be functional and even good in some cases

[north sedge]

It matters

[haughty haven]

powermaul is so team supportive i feel like a dumbass running other stuff

[north sedge]

Impact blessing makes it easier to stack skullcrusher and bully the dangerous shit without having to spam special

[fleet zealot]

Its not

Its not anymore

[haughty haven]

i mean

[fleet zealot]

It is a high damage combo weapon

With CC backup

[haughty haven]

it literally flattens ragers and crushers and bullwarks lol

[fleet zealot]

But it is no longer the meme cc weapon

[haughty haven]

it's very team supportive lol

[fleet zealot]

I can also combo them to death

It is Jax league of legends the weapon

[haughty haven]

oh no i just meant i feel like a dumbass NOT running it, dude

[royal vortex]

there's no reason to view the cc and damage as separate functions

[haughty haven]

it's team supportive and it's fun

[vivid hawk]

[fleet zealot]

If you try to use it like you would use old crusher cc support you are wasting the weapons potential imo

[royal vortex]

you... don't have to

[haughty haven]

i have that but in level 3 perks

[royal vortex]

you can crowd control a lot of enemies without using the activations at all

but you are still preventing them from doing anything

[fleet zealot]

When someone says they want to cc support the team i imagine them spamming activate ->l1

On repeat

[vivid hawk]

is there hope?

[haughty haven]

why not charge every once in a while

oof

that's gorgeous

[royal vortex]

yeah

[north sedge]

Worth an upgrade

[fleet zealot]

Because with max hammerblow i only need to activate for my opener or dense elite packs

[royal vortex]

this is one of the reasons i wrote the crusher guide

but there's generally a lot of ways to misuse the weapons

[fleet zealot]

The rest of the time properly comboing between your normal overheads and sweeps as needed will destroy anything in your wake

[vivid hawk]

@royal vortex that guide showed me the way, having a hard time not using my crusher

[royal vortex]

crusher is way less geared towards making you play like an idiot nowadays, special l1 spam isn't something i see too much anymore

more often i see people spamming lights or just doing the combos wrong

[royal vortex]

[fleet zealot]

It is a weapon that you can absolutely maximize your dps on and i havent even mastered it

[haughty haven]

as stated shitty version of yours

[fleet zealot]

If im at max martyrdom i often revert back to light spam for hordes cause somehow the game skips H2 back to H1 instead at that point

[royal vortex]

oh yeah the input queueing issue with the h2 is super annoying

[regal stratus]

what is the most efficent combo btw? cus i've been getting along decently with shove + light + light and the occational heavy but idk if that's the most efficient

[fleet zealot]

And at that point the sweep combo isnt necessary, at least not for pure trash horde

[haughty haven]

it's in the guide

[fleet zealot]

Shove is a precision strike

[royal vortex]

the crusher guide goes over it in decent detail

[keen silo]

wheres the crusher guide?

[royal vortex]

but generally heavy -> light for single target and light -> heavy for horde (as the most basic combos)

in the pins

[haughty haven]

Here

[fleet zealot]

L1-h2 combo for horde clear/aoe and the opposite h1-l2 for single target

[royal vortex]

it doubles as a cleaving attack, it has a similar cleave profile to a light

it just also happens to have a higher finesse mod allowing it to do good single target

[fleet zealot]

Kinda i see where you are coming from

[royal vortex]

it's not something to spam by any means

[fleet zealot]

But i can l2 into push attack back into the overhead loop but im never gonna h2 to push attack

[royal vortex]

but it serves the function well enough, especially if you're just using it to chain to the h2 since it gets to the h2 faster than the l1

[fleet zealot]

Over l1 return

[fleet zealot]

Oh i didnt know this exactly thanks

[royal vortex]

you don't need to do it more than opening the combo

since the l3 has the same chain time

crab told me this and it blew my fkin mind

[north sedge]

Ok but answer me this josiah, can you buy more crushers?

[royal vortex]

no i bought a bunch of mk 15 eviscerators

im broke

[north sedge]

Shame

[royal vortex]

outta ordos

i got the ogryn SLAYER though

[cerulean moth]

Blood thirst

iTS BRICKED

ITS BRICKED

https://tenor.com/bW7go.gif

[fleet zealot]

Im so fucking tired and heat exhausted

Idk what evi that is

Like i know what the 15 is

[royal vortex]

the new one

[fleet zealot]

But idk what the 15 does

Ahh

Bloodthirsty is fine on mk15

[dense field]

It does good

[royal vortex]

i didnt actually want unyielding but i figured i'd stick to the theme

[fleet zealot]

Stfu try hard elitist uhhhh

[royal vortex]

and its got decent boss damage

[fleet zealot]

Excel spreadsheet

Troll

[north sedge]

Terrible crusher

[royal vortex]

😔

[keen silo]

do u really get enough kills with that special?
i kinda hate the mk15 special
it literally locks me

[royal vortex]

its mostly for ogryns n whatnot

[keen silo]

im sitting there cleaving forever

[fleet zealot]

It doesnt lock you, you can block dodge out of it for having your stam drained

[royal vortex]

crushers in particular

since with +cara u can one-shot em

[fleet zealot]

Go attack speed boosts for faster shred times

And yes, it lets you chain elite kills very nicely

Since heavy is literally just an overhead

[keen silo]

wait lemme get this straight
i thought we couldnt shred more than 1 enemy with the evisc?

[fleet zealot]

Yes

[royal vortex]

it stops on specials/elites

[keen silo]

does it work on every enemy infront?

[fleet zealot]

You rev heavy a conga line

Just repeat

Rev heavy

[keen silo]

yea like the crucis charged on any enemy
only hits one enemy right?

one specialist*

[royal vortex]

yea

[keen silo]

i hate using special in mixed hordes

me stuck on 1 enemy
and everything else batters me

[fleet zealot]

Mk2 can hit multiple targets on activated sweep up until elite/specialist

Like ironhelm

Twbs

[keen silo]

so mk2 better?

[fleet zealot]

Thy wrath be swift

And attack speed

[keen silo]

i mean i just get pummeled, meaning my shield/hp is gone before the shred is over 💀

[fleet zealot]

Mk15 is easier and it is basicallt a fancier executioner sword from vt2 i like it

[keen silo]

i shouldnt use special at mixed hordes

[fleet zealot]

Martyrdom, momentum, and chastise

[keen silo]

or i should find a better way

[fleet zealot]

No

[lean kite]

Where do i report bugs?

[fleet zealot]

It is more for elite packs that dont have a ton of trash

[keen silo]

is extra cleave on mk15 good
or wasted?

[fleet zealot]

#🎒support-issues

[lean kite]

thank you

[fleet zealot]

Wasted

Lights have a fixed damage cap

[neat hatch]

mk 15 evis

fuck

i didnt mean to type

REEEEEEEEE

[dense field]

No?

[fleet zealot]

Mk2 is harder and more finicky and usually wants a cleave blessing, not being force to take sweep/wrath is pretty nice

But yea for mk15 consider rampage your horde clear blessing and bloodthirsty more of a niche blessing

[keen silo]

what blessings on mk15 then
rampage and SS?

[fleet zealot]

Oh and dont forget the reach of the evi is pretty long

[fleet zealot]

Cleave blessing wasted on mk15 the lights that you use for horde clear have a damage cap of like 3-4 targets

And they stop dealing damage

[dense field]

4

[fleet zealot]

Perfect strike cause it helps ignore hitmass

But perfect strike needs shred

Which gives up rampage

[zealous basin]

why cant i post voice messages in this channel

[rigid trellis]

rampage and momentum/shred/bloodthirsty depending on playstyle generally

[fleet zealot]

Official discord

[zealous basin]

fucking lame

[dense field]

Rampage and shred/thirsty/whatever

[zealous basin]

official suck my cock and balls

[fleet zealot]

Yes sir/ma’am/nonbinary

[zealous basin]

sir is good but i respect it

[zealous basin]

ni e

[visual stream]

Why do some ledge railings let you stand on them, and some projectile you over

[fleet zealot]

In the grimdarkness of 40k

[open bramble]

cuz this game sucks ass

[fleet zealot]

Osha doesnt exist

[zealous basin]

guys i was supposed to have a date tonight but the roads are iced over and she had to delay until fucking thursday

[fleet zealot]

Yea

[torn stream]

F

[fleet zealot]

I havent had an irl date for a while and im getting antsy

[cosmic radish]

People date in 2024?

Last time I met someone who went on a date was 2010

[fleet zealot]

Yea

[zealous basin]

ive had more than a few in the last several months

[cosmic radish]

Ai doesn't count

[fleet zealot]

Got edibles went shopping at the mall then we went to an old fashioned candy and soda store

[zealous basin]

this girl is like intimidatingly attractive though and i like her vibe and shes neen chattin me up nonstop for days

[fleet zealot]

I got a cinnamon cola float

[cosmic radish]

Sounds like AI

[zealous basin]

nah i work with AI i know it

[fleet zealot]

Go out and talk to women

[zealous basin]

i can recognize the flaws

[fleet zealot]

Or well

In my case people

[keen silo]

um guys i have a bug

[cosmic radish]

Genestealer cult

[keen silo]

i was able to re bless my evisc for the 3rd time

[cerulean moth]

jeanss

[ripe quest]

You can change a single slot multiple times

[cosmic radish]

I can bless mine 10 times

[ripe quest]

You get 2 slots that you can swap out freely

[keen silo]

wait what

[fleet zealot]

You can change 2 slots

As many times as you want

[keen silo]

WHAT THE FUCK

[fleet zealot]

But it is locked to those 2 slots and the other 2 can never be changed

[dense field]

[fleet zealot]

Lol lmaoooo

[cosmic radish]

@fleet zealot That Slannesh Heresy.....

[keen silo]

I TRASHED SO MANY WEAPONS

[fleet zealot]

Which part

[keen silo]

why did no one tell me this

[rigid trellis]

[fleet zealot]

The link fish joke? Yes

[cosmic radish]

@fleet zealot Talking to women.

[fleet zealot]

Pansexualism isnt slaaneshi however

Oh i see

[dense field]

Talking

[cosmic radish]

Sex is further debauchery that deserves purging

[open bramble]

this kind of reminds me of when i spent thousands of plasteel trying to roll blaze away 4

[fleet zealot]

Giving me big clip of the ogryn learning he can turn on his power maul energy

[open bramble]

well it’s not quite as dumb as what i did

[keen silo]

can someone explain this thing
so when i initially get a weapon, i can modify either 1 blessing/perk or both on each
after that i can repeatedly change the perk or blessing ????

the one i modified the first 2 times?

[fleet zealot]

Yes

[keen silo]

mother fucker

[fleet zealot]

You usually want to save modifications until yellow quality

[keen silo]

yes ofcourse

only modify at legendary

so these ones with the spanner icon can be swapped around how manyever times?

[cosmic radish]

Only modify weapons with good stats and 2 4 pips

[dense field]

Yes

[keen silo]

man

i wasted so many good weapons...

[dense field]

Sadge

[cosmic radish]

Like so

Complete meme trash

[keen silo]

is this worth working on

[zealous basin]

no

well

yeah no

[frozen glen]

nah dont listen to flip

[zealous basin]

the stats are great but literally every roll is piss shit

[frozen glen]

also dont work on that weapon btw

[zealous basin]

im rigjt

wtf

thars

WHAT I SAID

[frozen glen]

nah

[zealous basin]

U BITXH IOLL KILL U

[frozen glen]

who are u bro

[zealous basin]

thags my line

[steep flame]

so true

[zealous basin]

im drunk amd

[steep flame]

which fallout should i replay?

[frozen glen]

fuck u flip!!!!!!!!!!!

[zealous basin]

ANNOYED

aa!!!!!!!°°°°°!!!!!!

[frozen glen]

drink some water bbygirl

[zealous basin]

i am

im not even that drunk im just playing it up in mostly annoyed

[frozen glen]

yea cuz ur stupid

and dumb

[vivid hawk]

[rigid trellis]

that's good

swap bloodletter to rampage and take your pic between swapping maniac or cara to flak

[keen silo]

okay i get it now
the slots u modified cant be swapped later
only the slots that we'rent modified can be swapped out whenever...?
am i getting this right

or is it theother way around

[dense field]

No

[frozen glen]

other way around

[keen silo]

okay

my head hurts

thanks though, got it

[dense field]

The ones you didn't touch get a lock

[vivid hawk]

[rigid trellis]

[dense field]

What a waste

[zealous basin]

its not my fault!

wait

[cosmic radish]

Basically you want at least two 4 pips blessings or perks and close to best stat allignment as possible.

[fiery ingot]

im a waste

[zealous basin]

actually its completely my fault

im the one who suggested the day

FUCK

[cosmic radish]

Don't try for perfects They are near impossibleto get I got like 1 in nearly 1k hours

[vivid hawk]

wasn't gonna use it anyways

so unless it was very good, just gonna collect the sticker

@royal vortex for Crusher, is L1 > H2 > L3 > L4 > L1 more dps than L1 > H2 > L3 > H2 loop?

[wraith helm]

I collect 380s just cause. A collection of failures of could have beens

[timber ether]

i respect it. the journey to collecting all the blessings is what some would call... insane.

[vivid hawk]

honestly that emote should have been called Clowndon

double meaning

[maiden path]

erm whats good zealot chat

https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401

[royal vortex]

shouldn't be, two lights will do less damage than a h2

looping back to l1 also means you're chaining to that h2 slower

so i wouldn't do it

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[lilac bone]

Opinion: Mark 4 lasgun is pimp. It's actually really decent on damnation. No ammo? Not a thing. Semi-auto rate is pretty much faster than you can click. Good stable aim. Good hipfire. Fast weapon switching. It's surprisingly good.

[maiden path]

hehe our pfps are from da same game

or series i guess

[lilac bone]

❤️

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-big-boss-naked-snake-gif-27691389

[lilac bone]

Beaut, more of this in zealot channel pls. True romance.

It's Wednesday everyday apparently.

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-bee-guy-metal-gear-solid-codename-pain-gif-23934127

cant find a good gif..

[cosmic radish]

slug shotgun imo

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/mgsv-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid-v-metal-gear-solid-5-gif-11622477361654732855

get zapped fucker

[fiery ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-lickk-glypsimo-glipsimo-glifo-gif-17149698

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/black-dynamite-having-fun-black-dynamite-dynamite-having-fun-joppy-gif-613039128444832800

[lilac bone]

There we go, back to zealot channel. All is disappointingly right in the world.

[fiery ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-nsfw-gif-14371044

[timber ether]

it's been my mainstay for vet since i decided to drop The Emperor's Crutch: columnus
i'm genuinely just shooting for fun half the time, the las-critfund multiplies that magazine to infinity.

i should make one for ZEALOT, but i like that heavy laspistol if i want to be hearing that crunchy las-crit soundfx

[lilac bone]

Yee, the crit multiplier on it is really decent. Comparable to most auto-guns. Very spammy -- but -- ye can run a match with like 3 small ammo pickups. It's sweet. And you just shoot everything.

[timber ether]

hits that sweet spot of not quite overpowered, but with a bit of finesse you can stretch that ammo stache to clear most maps.
carpal tunnel will take me before i let go of it.

[ripe quest]

The lasguns have a bit less finesse multi's than the IAGs

Generally though the Lasguns hit harder

[timber ether]

oh uh, i didnt mean to use the word finesse like the stat

i meant like, skill

[ripe quest]

I'm talking about the multipliers

[timber ether]

idk some aim

[ripe quest]

Weakspot, Critical, and Critical Weakspot damage

[timber ether]

got enough shots to not really matter but yeah that goes without saying

efficient weapon

[split canyon]

Should I get any of these from Sour Milk?

[ripe quest]

Save your coins.

[lilac bone]

No. Not unless it is good for where you are at.

[ripe quest]

Maybe the Deathblow Hsword if you had to pick from the three.

You'd swap +Fodder to BP, probs Maniac, and Perfect Strike to Headtaker. It'll be solid.

[lilac bone]

Big thing is no level 4 blessings. They won't really even recycle well when you replace them.

[ripe quest]

In Deathblow's case that isn't an issue

[zinc talon]

++ BEHOLD ++

the ripper gun equivalent of a mumble rapper

[lilac bone]

Is there a way to actually build an Ogryn to play like a zealot? Oglot? Zealgryn?

[placid lily]

Chat

I’m gonna send an offensive meme

I did it

[lilac bone]

Congrats.

[placid lily]

RELAX

[lilac bone]

Always.

[native cargo]

war

[placid lily]

War never changes

[lilac bone]

Look upon the face of war.

Be warned, Van Damme memes only go to one dark and sordid place. There is a nuclear option. Flexible thinking is always an option.

[bitter anvil]

Rich bastard

I only have 23k diamantine and 34 plasteel

[hot jolt]

what is grass

[ornate bone]

Huh

[lilac bone]

An allergy. Nice stash matey.

[dry sierra]

i have seen a decent amount of columnus being mentioned.. which type is it specifically tho?

[lilac bone]

Infanty autogun.

"Columnus Mk V Infantry Autogun".

[ember yew]

but MK2 is decent too, just a bit different

[dry sierra]

never used any of the autoguns, but wanted to expand my choices

[lilac bone]

It's good. Very damnation usable. VERY.

[dry sierra]

what is the stat priority?

[lilac bone]

That's fine.

Stability is nice -- however, after kicking on the first shot it fires with very low kick.

[ripe quest]

Columnus IAG functions as a close ranged DPS tool. Hits harder with weakspot hits. If you want a similar kit for a Brauto use the Graia and use the braced fire.

[lilac bone]

That.

Graia is usually my standby for T-hammer.

[dry sierra]

good to know.
got a gold braced agri,, was okay but preffered my shotgun, but might as well try more stuff

[lilac bone]

Dum dum and fire frenzy for blessings are good choices.

For the columnus.

Makes it very strong close range.

[dry sierra]

so change out barrage for dum dum

[lilac bone]

Herm.

I probably actually wouldn't. But that's me.

[ripe quest]

Swap that yeah and Infested to Flak. Critical Hit Damage will just kinda be there unfortunately.

[lilac bone]

Terrifying barrage on brautos is pretty decent for pushing into groups of ranged enemies.

IMO.

So. I like it a lot.

It's also really solid for suppressing hordes if your team isn't ready to deal with them -- say during a boss fight. Generally dum dum is probably a better idea.

[dry sierra]

thanks for the info ^_^
in any case, dont have dum dum as of yet so barrage for now xd

[lilac bone]

I would swap out the crit damage and keep the infested.

It'll save you a few shots on dogs.

Unless you are specifically building around crit.

Very specifically.

Once again -- my personal opinion.

[dry sierra]

i do, but mainly when im chopping hordes (bleed - crit - DR)

[lilac bone]

Well -- even then I'd switch it out to 5% chance. I see it as better to just land the crit then to buff a crit that doesn't land.

Flak is -- eh -- a really good choice too though.

[dry sierra]

personally i would change the crit in any case, at least for zealot.
ranged is just a backup weapon most of the time

[lilac bone]

Get ready. It ain't gonna be now.

You can really lean into brautos and infantry autoguns to do some fun stuff. They allow for some extremely aggressive pushing and flanking without moving into open areas without cover.

Not to mention ripping apart like 3 ragers with a brauto before closing to melee range. Autoguns are pimp.

[dry sierra]

not played zealot since release 😅
first one i got to 30 and then i started on the other classes (with some breaks into other games)
working on penance completion now (finished vet)

only 2 left (outside of x games played)
stun (need 400) and the private game one

[zinc talon]

is that....

another of The Chosen has appeared

wearing The Forbidden Coat

ope, nope

[brisk raft]

I'm more noticing the light settings

[zinc talon]

fott yew wos wearin thissun

[zinc talon]

once I got this new rig with the 4090 seeing raytracing off scares and confuses me at first

[vivid hawk]

we do some rippin' and tearing

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-george-clooney-what-confused-shocked-gif-23806514

[vivid hawk]

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-bardin-nod-gif-25545419

[vivid hawk]

[zinc talon]

well stay with me here

I'm running 25% fury, and 30% bleed crit talents

so all told, when the bells are ringing I sit at like, 70%?

[hot jolt]

what dis?

[zinc talon]

this's what I'm bringing to the fight

the weakspot/crit increase is bigly

but the two together

well

so if I just, aim for face

at 70% crit

issalotta hurtin I'm doin

the crusher is already fantastic at singling out weakspots

and it powers up

so 70%-crit-powered-up-heavy-overhead-weakspot/crit dmg

that 5% suddenly seems worth it

[twilit blade]

As a crit crusher enjoyer, while critchance may seem nice, it really enjoys the benefit of the % damage boosters for breakpoints

just like, too many good target not to be taking double %damage

Also unyielding lets you do some hilarious damage to bosses

[jovial rain]

hello hello zealot nerds mains, i am levelling my first zealot character and would like to know which eviscerator is better/what each one is good at

[twilit blade]

which is so much fun\

[zinc talon]

the old eviscerator, the mark II

[twilit blade]

the mk2 evis is far easier to use and better for crit I think. The Mk15 is very funky to use, but has a lot of potential, really wants martyr or momentum for the attack speed though from my experience

[zinc talon]

will rev up and cleave several targets on heavy 1 attack

[twilit blade]

mk2 Evis just works

for like, everything

[zinc talon]

all others it will lock to the first target you hit

[twilit blade]

mk15 is funky

[zinc talon]

the mk15 on the other hand revs up and cleaves on light 1

[jovial rain]

so no reason to grind for the mk15?

[zinc talon]

and push block attacking is an auto-rev throat stab

that saws maybe 2 ticks

[twilit blade]

Discord is showing me this for your pfp and I was so confused

[zinc talon]

on the new model, light attacking with rev up will tick 4 times then finish for big damage

heavy attacks tick 5 times

and tick more rapidly

to the extent heavy saws are the same time spent as lights

with more damage done

on both, you can rev up and hit something, an d instantly dodge out of the sawing

but lay full stacks of everything on the weapon

the XV is very obviously left right horizontal lights and top down heavy single targets

the II is more varied in its swings, H1 will cleave but H2 is a single target, some light swings hit much harder than others per target type

the XV's easier to learn and you'll be quicker to put up big numbers with it than the II

but the II's more fun when you're in the zone

cleave targets is the dump stat on the 15

it still cleaves like one or two points less than having a 20% vs an 80%

the II is much more reliant on that number esp if you're laying bleed stacks or using momentum/rampage/cleave sweeps

last thing

[brisk raft]

Would you put Bloodletter or Shred

[zinc talon]

so if you're a crit build, shred but never bloodthirsty ideally

the automatic crit on special kill

cuz you're already at 70% of automatic crit anyway

that one shines when your crit is fuckoff whatever they gave me for free

cuz then you're using the rev/H1 or L1 cleave depending

and rev, cleavecrit; rev, cleavecrit; rev, cleavecrit

and you can chamber the last one to single target nuke the heavy that made you pivot in the first place

plus, if you get the weapon customizations mod, you can swap out an eviscerator's components for chainaxe parts

and have a two handed heavy chainaxe

your brain really will soak you in dopamine because newweaponnewweaponnewweapon

plus other ways of the force the jedi might consider...unnatural

[brisk raft]

Klaus, bring the Shovel. The HEAVY Shovel.

[barren rock]

Can anyone explain how to do the heavy attack chaining/sprinting with a knife zealot. Searched online and couldn’t find much<\3

[zinc talon]

I think, hit your sprint before you start chambering the attack

and the longer you chamber, the more momentum you'll have when you release and move forward before attacking

if that doesn't work

[ornate bone]

Should be just holding the sprint key and chaining heavies, I think

[zinc talon]

turn sideways and dodge, and chamber your attack while at the quickest point

[ornate bone]

There is a point where if you hold too long you get slowed down

[calm salmon]

sprint and hold mouse 1

[zinc talon]

the dodge will carry you through the heavy attack slowdown

[calm salmon]

that's it

[zinc talon]

oh

well that's boring

[twilit otter]

how do you deal with ragers as zealot

[ornate bone]

So you hold the heavy as much as possible before you slow down and boom

gun

gun is nice

[calm salmon]

shoot them

[zinc talon]

what are you using Scuba