zealot-class

[hard nexus]

oh.............

why not just run precog?

[mystic ether]

You can play with your blessings in mind. I use Haymaker and riposte sometimes.

[frozen ibex]

Because lacerate is good.

[mystic ether]

The world doesn't collapse on knife builds because you're not taking the two loudest safe choices.

[frozen ibex]

Lacerate uncanny top damage top plasteels pickup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr-EvhuKUvs

[hard nexus]

why not just run fleshtearer

[frozen ibex]

Because lacerate is better for horde clear.

[hard nexus]

yah i know

[frozen ibex]

You can get scourge up super easy.

[hard nexus]

with a crit build you're getting more crits than not in a horde already

epic misreply

[frozen ibex]

Scoreboard of lacerate uncanny body shot mostly.

[mystic ether]

If you're not interested in critical hits then that's fine and not too worry some on horde management.

[frozen ibex]

Only 312 weakspot hits.

[mystic ether]

It's all very doable.

[hard nexus]

thats fair

[mystic ether]

Performance on the build I ran even with my changes to it still had me doing solid enough on my runs. I still had to play a little more intently compared to everyone else but it wasn't torturous at least. That's my only metric for builds.

If it ain't the most painful fucked up experience, I'll probably run it.

[frozen ibex]

I run flesh tearer uncanny on vet and psyker. But on zealot lacerate performs so much better with scourge.

[mystic ether]

I still haven't gotten a flesh tearer blessing I think

[frozen ibex]

Double bleed knife is really strong on zealot also.

[mystic ether]

I literally just need that one specifically for my vet knife collection

[frozen ibex]

You can 1 shot body shot crit a shooter elite and it dies.

[mystic ether]

Yes

Iz funnee

[hard nexus]

wheres the all lacerate knife picture

[frozen ibex]

[ripe quest]

This is debatable. It'll make the knife better with crowds compared to non-bleed knives, but this crowd damage still doesn't compete with other weapons.

[frozen ibex]

Yes we're comparing knife blessings. Knife won't touch bm axe or heaven forbid heavy sword 9.

In term of horde clear.

But I know i'd rather use a knife than heavy sword I have to carry a game.

[ripe quest]

It doesn't even compare to a BM Taxe or a Mk XII Chaxe

[frozen ibex]

Even with double bleed I can deal with crushers easily using knife.

[hard nexus]

hs should have uncanny tbh

would be balanced

[ripe quest]

I'm not comparing bleed knife to specifically meta options, I'm just laying it out compared to everything.

[frozen ibex]

I'm very comfortable running bleed knife against everything.

[mystic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-run-fast-speed-gif-17863976

Compelled.

Muh blood

[frozen ibex]

I can run away from problems if needed.

Smell ya later

[ripe quest]

Yeah that's fine, I'm sure you are. I just want to lay it out for the record that it's not great compared to other options. I know the feeling, I used to run pre-13 Chaxe and Dclaw because I thought it was fun. Could even perform well with them, but they weren't good at the time.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't run it, run whatever it's a fun thing to do.

[frozen ibex]

What other options if we're strictly speaking about knife?

I doubt any other blessings pairing can clear horde on knife as fast as double bleed.

[frozen ibex]

What is BD?

[lavish flame]

Build

[frozen ibex]

[ornate bone]

I prefer my knives clean

[open echo]

brunt having a t3 blessing?

[ornate bone]

Wait this looks cool where is this from

[obtuse solstice]

is stability important on colum iag

[frozen ibex]

Not too important. I feel it doesn't help that much.

You might feel different.

[steep flame]

Whos hotter, hadron or enginseer?

[wraith helm]

What you think you are
What really happens:

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-net-fish-trap-gif-12105276

[blazing fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/tackled-by-a-dog-viralhog-tackle-ouch-jumping-gif-16930114

or this

[somber drift]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-really-question-weird-greenland-gif-25847205

[sharp zodiac]

Greenland shark

[mystic ether]

Oh no you can hold that. It's me.

I'll actually stand on that

I'm the "not like the other knives" knife creature.

Now. We not talking about what happened to me yesterday playing vt2 and mistiming my dash on handmaiden and getting sniped by a leech I could've just dodged normally.

[sharp zodiac]

Are you the hillbilly

[mystic ether]

I need to make space ;_;

[native cargo]

Yes

[mystic ether]

I think it's called blood blockade something

Blood Blockade Battlefront.

Character you're seeing is using sanguinomancy nonsense.

I think multiple characters use some kind of blood techniques or whatever. I never finished it.

[sharp zodiac]

Knew it

Man im hungry

[mystic ether]

Eat your hands.

[sharp zodiac]

Then I can't type

[mystic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-blank-stare-stare-anime-mio-naganohara-gif-24979431

eat your hands

[sharp zodiac]

Ok ok

[vivid hawk]

Holy Emperor, grant me the strength I need to tolerate the exceptionally starchy potatoes I'm encoutering in quickplay 🙏

[mystic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-reader-hypnotize-thinking-reading-your-mind-gif-4463445

I have successfully controlled a French with my mind. My power grows with each and every step I take.

[sharp zodiac]

You can make fries with them

[mystic ether]

Next, I will make a Spain eat bland delicacies.

[vivid hawk]

with how much fire they stand in, that's not far off the realm of possibility

[mystic ether]

From Britain.

[sharp zodiac]

That's evil

What did Spain do

[ember yew]

Let them eat Marmite.

[native cargo]

Franch

Eat long fry

They're social outcasts

[sharp zodiac]

Meanie

I'm telling the big E

[native cargo]

Eat long fry

[sharp zodiac]

Someday I will force you to add the E

[native cargo]

Big E is too busy busting it down for the custodes to show them how real men act

[sharp zodiac]

No more franch

[native cargo]

Nuh uh

[sharp zodiac]

Just French

[native cargo]

Nuh uh

[sharp zodiac]

Fym nuh uh

[native cargo]

Nuh

Uh

finger snap

[blazing fossil]

Franch is great (ranch and french dressings mixed)

[lean lark]

frenchie

go have some fillet minion

[sharp zodiac]

This is frenchphobia

[native cargo]

Franchesca

[mystic ether]

Wonderful.

Fromch

[native cargo]

Us when luna

[mystic ether]

Hilarioisly enough, I'd end up learning that a lot shit I enjoy from some media stuffs has a lot of its history in france

kind of fucked up how consistent it has been lmao

[mystic ether]

Are americans back to freedom fries?

[sharp zodiac]

That's it

[mystic ether]

again?

[sharp zodiac]

You're banned from my kitchen rat

[mystic ether]

what're you gonna do, sanction us?

[native cargo]

Freedom c:

[left iron]

[native cargo]

I'm gonna enter through the vents

[sharp zodiac]

Fnaf

[sharp zodiac]

You're a rat

Not a cat

[native cargo]

I am in the cats nervous system

[sharp zodiac]

Xenomorph

[tulip valve]

those nails

[sharp zodiac]

Reminds me of mine

Just not painted

[native cargo]

They're claws

[indigo quartz]

low finesse oof

[olive raven]

eh

its not a huge difference

still usable

[obtuse solstice]

what's a good gun to pair with crit dclaw? tried a lot but can't find one that clicks

[sharp zodiac]

Revolver

Kantreal Shotgun

[naive star]

Piety or Momentum for Combat Blade 3?

[ripe quest]

Usually with a Dclaw I prefer an anti-Crusher weapon. Revolver, Boltgun, any DPS ranged weapon with Fury of the Faithful.

[sharp zodiac]

Depends on your blessings

[minor sage]

it pretty much has to be revolver

[full nebula]

worth?

[naive star]

Uncanny+Precog on my knife

[sharp zodiac]

Momentum then

[sharp zodiac]

Id say so

[obtuse solstice]

revolver so slow to reload

[minor sage]

bolter and plasma work as well, but they dont really work too well on zealot

dclaw main issue is that it can't deal with cara, so you need a gun that can solve that

[full nebula]

i dont have any tier 4s for the heavy sword, its pretty good as is though, put flak on

[indigo quartz]

imagine if the heavy sword special downgraded armor type on the target hit

'opening them up for combo' 😩

[minor sage]

I would just swap both the perks

the blessings are good

[naive star]

Flak to +5% crit?

[sharp zodiac]

I wouldn't be surprised if fs did that

HS is already stupid enough

[indigo quartz]

it would increase the skill ceiling

[north sedge]

🤔

[ripe quest]

Piety with Precog will get you a higher avg. damage but it'll be tied to crit chance for consistency. Judgement will be more consistent but less damage.

Judgement also gives attack speed, some people like it.

[indigo quartz]

it would be cool if it could also downgrade maniac/unyielding just for parity and so the weapon doesn't literally turn into a ticklestick on bosses

[north sedge]

🤔

it should also give me a cookie

[indigo quartz]

nah, too OP

[ripe quest]

Would probably just be a blessing that gives brittle on a special attack, iirc it already exists in the files.

[indigo quartz]

that would also fixes things

[olive raven]

yes for blessings

[full nebula]

bought

[spare dome]

HSword special already has pretty silly numbers

[north sedge]

ok but what if it gave me a cookie too

[gray ice]

The best trade deal in the history of trade deals

[ripe quest]

Fatshark sponsored cookie clicker minigame

[median steeple]

melk buck generator

[lavish pulsar]

this screenshot fills me with joy

[ripe quest]

Blessings that generate ordo dockets and crafting mats

I would kill for something like that on a Chainsword

[north sedge]

chainsword that spends ordos every rev

[frank night]

rev sound is the sound of a till opening

[north sedge]

only if you finish the rev thogh

it comes at the end

[vivid hawk]

Should I really be doing the most damage here with Crusher, while there's a purge psyker, another zealot with evis, and a plasma vet?

[lost solar]

all the weapons have that blessing by default

cuz weapons help u chop heretics

and chopping heretics results in winnning missions

which gives rewards

#thinksmart

[timber ether]

that's why i swapped all my qurios from 30% more dockets to more impactful perks, if i more consistantly clear aurics that's worth more than the docket-loss, plasteel too!

[north sedge]

crusher is very good

[vivid hawk]

no argument there, but still... a plasma vet?

[north sedge]

eh, can be done

[vivid hawk]

the other zealot makes some sense, the dump stat on their evis was damage

[north sedge]

who needs that anyway

[ripe quest]

Pacifist runs and speedrunning duos have something to say about that

[ripe quest]

I've seen some dogshit Plasma users. Like "oh this is a horde clear ranged weapon" skill level.

[vivid hawk]

really enjoying this with crusher and kanty so far

[frank night]

some guys will insist on using the plasma gun on every single ranged enemy they see ever

[vivid hawk]

Purge the Unclean is a solid alternative to Desperation

[frank night]

and will be orange/red ammo before mid event

[calm salmon]

couldn't be me

I eat all the ammo on the map

schlurp schlurp schlurp

[frank night]

whereas the plasma gun only really needs to be fired at specials and even then

you could argue that solo specials can be meleed too

[modest quiver]

What's the best way to deal with flak ragers as dagger zealot? If I engage them in melee I feel I get slapped before I take them down

[calm salmon]

shoot them

wait between attacks

to stab them

should be a three shot kill with headshots

2 with a crit?

[modest quiver]

ah im using flamer

[calm salmon]

So its not particularly hard. You can dip in after an attack finishes, attack, dodge out before the next one starts

[ripe quest]

You either bully them with Fury/Shroudfield, shoot them, or time hits.

[calm salmon]

chastise into them for stagger

[ripe quest]

A Flamer will get rid of them.

[calm salmon]

^

and then that

also throwing knives

since you're using flamer

two shot kill on ragers with throwing knives

[vivid hawk]

1 on naked ragers iirc with headshot

[calm salmon]

and gives you reach on longer ranged threats

[ripe quest]

With light buffs up you can 2 shot without crits.

Easier on the III

[modest quiver]

and animation cancels your heavy weapon equip 🙂

[calm salmon]

not really cancels

it speeds it up

but you still have to wait

[modest quiver]

true

[calm salmon]

But I get your point.

[jaunty lava]

That's a good base?

[north sedge]

yes

[ripe quest]

Yeah that's fine

[jaunty lava]

Wait i already have 2 others i'm stupid

[lone matrix]

what do you think about thunderous on thunder hammer?

[jaunty lava]

Gambled on brunt for nothing

[fading vale]

no

[blazing fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-noooooooo-noooo-steve-carell-gif-7335923

[lone matrix]

so headtaker and thrust or?

[ripe quest]

Thrust + Slaught/Headtaker

[fading vale]

thrust and either headtaker or slaughterer

[blazing fossil]

unyielding is a msut for perks too

[lone matrix]

and what is good on heavy sword?

[blazing fossil]

deathblow and uh.... shit whats the other blessing

[fading vale]

headtaker

[blazing fossil]

yea headtaker

[fading vale]

rampage is also ok over deathblow but not regarded as well

[fading vale]

a candle

[jaunty lava]

What's the main difference between the two thammer? Like which one is special dmg and which one is general dmg?

[north sedge]

he had seen this photo 600 times before this

[stable cypress]

crucis is higher dmg on special, ironhelm special can cleave through trash to hit priority targets but has less dmg potential

both crowd clear p similarly except you can throw lights in or just h1 h2 block cancel for ironhelm ig

[verbal marlin]

I've got a question about the flamer's blessing Overpressure

It says up to +5% power

[north sedge]

well, the answer you're not looking for is it only applies to the shooting dmg and not the burn so it's not good atm

[verbal marlin]

So does that mean at 5 stacks, you only get an extra 5% extra power?

[north sedge]

nah 5 x 5

but it's not good atm because the burn dmg is where flamer's dmg actually happens

[lone matrix]

25% max

[verbal marlin]

Ok wonderful

Another question: I've already got Blaze Away, which gives me at max an extra 40% extra power when the mag is half-gone, so should I stack that with Ovepressure? Or should I get Inspiring Barrage?

[muted egret]

What bless should I put on mk6 knife?

New knife

[vale carbon]

should i buy just for deathspitter4?

[lone matrix]

could there be multiple knife blessings sets depending on skill selection

idk why but i don't really like shottys in this game

[verbal marlin]

If you main shooshgun and you want it, sure.

[vale carbon]

i find them pretty good

[ripe quest]

Overpressure currently doesn't work, once they fix it it'll be a good pair for BA. Currently it's just whatever you want for the 2nd blessing.

[verbal marlin]

Actually now that you bring it up, what's the range on a "close range kill"?

25m?

[ripe quest]

8 meters iirc

[verbal marlin]

WOW yeah, real close

[vale carbon]

ngl i wish showstopper wasn't hot trash, it seems like a pretty fun blessing

[muted egret]

Im running Stealth

[ripe quest]

Just Uncanny + Precog/Executor. Some people like Haymaker and bleed (nothing new there) but you don't get a whole lotta cleave to do much with either.

[fading vale]

knife always takes uncanny

executor will buff the cleave a little but not really enough to matter

[lone matrix]

i though there was a mercykill and lacerate set

[fading vale]

no.

[muted egret]

Alright ill try that combo
Is tge old knife use this too?

[verbal marlin]

Alright, current flamer. Could be better, but not by much.

[fading vale]

75 burn ouch

[ripe quest]

Yeah.

[fading vale]

76 is the max stack BP lol

[muted egret]

Thanks

[verbal marlin]

BP?

[north sedge]

breakpoint

[fading vale]

breakpoint

[verbal marlin]

what's that?

[fading vale]

uh the point at which a stat or something makes a difference

[spare dome]

and it doesnt really tbh

[fading vale]

aka you get 1 more max burn stack at 76 burn

[verbal marlin]

:\

[spare dome]

most shit just dies long before max stacks

[fading vale]

I mean it's fine without max, just good for things like ogryns and bosses

[verbal marlin]

kk

[vale carbon]

thoughts on which of the two to replace with blaze away?

neither are great from how i understand they work

but on paper they both seem cool

[spare dome]

showstopper needs a rework

[fading vale]

showstopper is pretty terrible all around and in theory overpressure will be fixed

[spare dome]

it should be made awesome

[ripe quest]

It would be totally Fatshark to doom Overpressure to being a 14 damage buff

[fading vale]

literally change one variable

[ripe quest]

hopefully that variable change wasn't intentional

[sterile stone]

@median steeple Helldivers 2 soon

Only 4 weeks

[spare dome]

hell yea

[blazing fossil]

damn im on a 21 game auric win streak

[ripe quest]

I can change that for you if you want

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[spare dome]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/InventiveSecretiveDragonfruitPipeHype-gzWMP9hcEaF38Kxt

wtf

twitch why dont you even pretend to embed

w/e

late addition to that knife conversation earlier

[ripe quest]

why

You can 1 shot weakened bosses with knife

[spare dome]

yea but this is way more fun

[ripe quest]

[spare dome]

and it sends a message 🔪

[ripe quest]

Oh it certainly sends a message

[spare dome]

but also the team was already fighting a stimky'd chaos spawn so i didnt wanna drop the aggro

[elfin thorn]

is perfectionist worth it for shroudfield?

[spare dome]

sometimes they just immediately leap away at the next target

perfectionist is kinda meh unless you really wanna oneshot certain things

[elfin thorn]

yeah that's what i was thinking

[woeful pecan]

Hit 1m damage. Lost, but still hit the number.

[elfin thorn]

i assume finesse is like crit power in vermintide

[spare dome]

i dont find the increased cooldown cost worthwhile

yes

[elfin thorn]

so kinda eh lol unless you have something with a big finesse modiifer

i don't think crucis thunder hammer does tho lol

[ripe quest]

Finesse buffs weakspot, critical, and critical weakspot damage

[elfin thorn]

so buffed crit power 😏

[blazing fossil]

lol i just jynxed myself anyways, next one will be a loss

[elfin thorn]

i don't think weakspot was buffed in there anyways

i don't really ult unless there's a boss or a crusher but maybe in the higher diff it'll be more apparent

the cooldown increase

[ripe quest]

It's fun because having +weakspot and +crit damage together is actually better than having +finesse

[blazing fossil]

But if you substract your overkill damage....

[ripe quest]

So Duellist goes ham with a +100% critical weakspot buff

[woeful pecan]

Shhhhhhhh

[ripe quest]

On Knife that's like 70% damage

[spare dome]

duelist is mad

[elfin thorn]

true

[ripe quest]

On most weapons it's minimum 20%

[elfin thorn]

i picked it up and wollah

amazing horde clear

and more of a middle finger to maulers i suppose

is it just me or does it take a sec for a hit to register in shroud field?

3 seconds kinda short, but feel like when i charge and then ult with heavy i stay in the effects

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/butwhy-why-gif-27438167

[woeful pecan]

Because it was a lot of enemies and very slow going

[vague depot]

im scared

[blazing fossil]

naked ogyrns

[spare dome]

there's a gimmick to shroudfield

you can ult midswing to boost that attack

and then you'll still be in your ult

so basically double the output

sometimes i also see the ult instantly refresh itself when it ends but i have no damn idea how to replicate that

[elfin thorn]

with every passing second the 6s stealth sounds more appealing

[autumn fern]

what's that gun ?

[elfin thorn]

think just having it off cooldown would be kewl for boss fights or a free get out of jail card for double the length

thx for the input y'all

[ember yew]

its a bug that gonna be fixed later

[spare dome]

oh its def a bug

but like

how it do dat

[ember yew]

its an old one like 2 months+ old

[spare dome]

ive never been able to intentionally replicate it

[zinc talon]

#1168063453416669284 message

weapon customizations mod

[autumn fern]

i can't see channe;

[elfin thorn]

the most sane emperor worshipper

[zinc talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168063453416669284/1193351896384151612/weapon_customization.zip?ex=65ac668f&is=6599f18f&hm=c00045d952a8bb1cfae99c9776d0f8f09c307fa8fe7cad1c36ed90482012a17c&

that's the link from the pinned post

trust me, or don't

[spare dome]

trust him or he'll cronch you

[elfin thorn]

give you the ole latrine shovel

[ripe quest]

Didn't they fix that? I know that interaction at the very least no longer works for chain weapons.

[zinc talon]

in my defense

I was left unsupervised

so whose fault is it really

[solar gorge]

me when I see what people do to their weapons with the mod

https://tenor.com/view/my-heart-i-loved-her-aaaughhhhh-my-heart-i-loved-her-tiktok-sad-gif-19641659

[crude lake]

can someone show me to the armor type for the twins?

[twilit otter]

flak?

[crude lake]

I took unarmored and it worked well so i assume unarmored somewhere

[median steeple]

its gonna be so good

cant wait

[visual stream]

It seems like it's gonna be a totally different game, unless they kept the arrow commands in some way

[zinc talon]

they're flak on a horizontal swing and carapace on an overhead swing

[visual stream]

The thrill of hitting that four button prompt for team revive as you're being closed in on from all sides, just barely getting to throw it as you get misted

Unparalleled

[crude lake]

so I shouldn't be shooting for the face? I should treat them like maulers and shoot for the body

[north sedge]

carapace head, flak, a tiny bit of unarmoured

[zinc talon]

one or both shoulders too I think

anyway

[solar gorge]

double barrel with the dual flash hiders i can't

[zinc talon]

power down sword lady's shield first, then turn around and blast dudebro's shield and continue to do damage to him specifically until he's dead

with everyone focus firing on dudebro, his health will drop to the stage advance before he can get up

[crude lake]

Yea I ahve the hardmode banner

felt unreasonably easy

ran it with some professionals

[north sedge]

depends on weapon, but generally

[crude lake]

ah, columnus infantry

giving it a run

[north sedge]

believe they also just straight up take less headshot dmg too

[zinc talon]

I ASSURE YOU, MUTANT, I CAN APPLY FORCE WITH THIS STAFF WITHOUT ANY WARP TREACHERY

well, because carapace

[north sedge]

no beyond that

[zinc talon]

maybe

[crude lake]

on a scale of usable - scuffed thoughts?

I'm thinking scuffed, speedload is bad

served it's purpose thoug

[zinc talon]

could be to do with the vanishing act at certain health levels

[gray ice]

you have dumdum but holy shite them perks son

switch em right now

i demand it

[zinc talon]

sprint efficiency stamina

[north sedge]

bad stopping power too

[crude lake]

The 5% crit seems to be way more than 5% or this infantry gun

[gray ice]

that's because of crit strings

[north sedge]

it has crit strings

[visual stream]

Agree with Vin here, slap crit damage perk on over unarmoured

[crude lake]

this

I hadn't heard of it until today.

[gray ice]

switch perks to flak/maniac if you want crit use piety

[crude lake]

played for so long and no one had explained it to me

[ripe quest]

no

[gray ice]

I don't remember the exact number for columnus was it 5 or something?

[crude lake]

Yea

[gray ice]

piety alone really could carry it for you

[crude lake]

more so, is speedload doable

cause I can't reroll it

[crude lake]

perks I can change no problem there

[ornate bone]

I prefer speedload on psyker, but it's still nice

[gray ice]

speedload is like okay

[visual stream]

What do you mean you'd rather have 25% more damage all the time, over 10% more damage some of time

[crude lake]

Also, the stopping power roll.

[gray ice]

dumdum is the main thing you want on IAG's second is kinda preference, but you can get more situational dmg with stuff like rakin

[cerulean pike]

2% more damage some of time*

love having 2% more damage

[gray ice]

There's deathspitter and firefrenzy obv

[ripe quest]

Would you rather have 25% damage all the time or 5.6% some of the time

[crude lake]

so this one is servicable

[gray ice]

I have one with dumdum stripped down that I honestly really like

[crude lake]

Look, the emperor gave me flesh tearer 4

finally.

[cerulean pike]

now slap lacerate on that

[gray ice]

now throw it in the garbage disposal

[crude lake]

With those stats?

[visual stream]

Is it really 5.6%?

[crude lake]

no

it gets eaten right now

[ripe quest]

On the IAGs yeah

[gray ice]

and fire akari from a cannon

[ripe quest]

The crit damage is a bit lower

[visual stream]

That's pathetic innit

[crude lake]

I don't think I have a great knife

[vivid hawk]

worth doing anything with?

[ripe quest]

It doesn't help that it's smaller than the damage perks and relies on a crit chance. Also it isn't even a +finesse it's specifically whichever one and critical weakspot damage.

If the weakspot and critical damage perks were higher it'd be a bit more reasonable

[crude lake]

Do you all prefer knife 3 or 6

[visual stream]

Yeah, hold X on it in your inventory and get a thundah hammah

[ripe quest]

Knife's greatest strength is the single target, and the Mk III does it better.

I prefer it to the VI

[gray ice]

this is so close to being THE roll

could do infested to flak and rampage to headtaker

[crude lake]

same, though dont have much exp with 6

[visual stream]

Fr though that looks pretty good, change infested and maybe deathblow

Yeah what Vin said

[gray ice]

Or actually you may want to do maniac instead of flak, you should have the rager 1 shot bp

[vivid hawk]

when did deathblow become good?

on HS

[ripe quest]

When they reworked it

[gray ice]

When it carried first target dmg to 5 targets

[ripe quest]

and BM

[gray ice]

and become disgusting

[visual stream]

Rampage not good for HS?

[cerulean pike]

I thought it was 4 targets

[ornate bone]

Rampage is nice

[ripe quest]

HSword's heavies do first target twice by default

[cerulean pike]

o

[plucky marsh]

[visual stream]

Huh, mb

[gray ice]

rampage is good, headtaker is better

[gray ice]

it's on hit power and still has the higher % than rampage cuz its special on HS

[ornate bone]

Prior to deathblow the meta was rampage headtaker

[ripe quest]

The Mk IX's H2 and H3 though don't have the first target 2x thing

[gray ice]

wait wrong ping

[crude lake]

we roll it?

[gray ice]

exhil that was meant for NDH

[crude lake]

guesses on how scuffed it;; be

[ornate bone]

Roll that bih ong no cap

[gray ice]

#zealot-class message new DB

[cerulean pike]

oh yeah HS is 40% power on headtaker

[gray ice]

yuh

[ornate bone]

That too

[ripe quest]

I have to do pushups and shit because of that

mmmm

[ornate bone]

Because of course we have different values for the same blessing

[crude lake]

not a great start

back to the drawing board.

[ornate bone]

Trust

[vivid hawk]

it could be better

[crude lake]

Can't

[gray ice]

and that clip was before ragers had hp reduced so that's even easier to do now

[crude lake]

gotta go kill some heretics

[ornate bone]

Nerd

[gray ice]

Go in psyk and see if that 1 hits either rager type

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[vivid hawk]

with or without ability?

[gray ice]

without

[vivid hawk]

w/ ht stacks?

[gray ice]

yea you'll probably need em

[ornate bone]

Everyone needs to shit, you're not special

[cerulean pike]

wrong

[gray ice]

i do love the original soundtrack, but music like that really gets me goin playin this

[vivid hawk]

with HT stacks and some minor buffs, can 1 shot naked ragers with overhead, takes 2 for flak armored ones

[ripe quest]

Wakeup, shit, eat breakfast, get out of bed.

[vivid hawk]

sounds like a filthy bed

DoA?

[gray ice]

If you can reach the 1 shot for maniac ones without much setup, then honestly keep it that way and have flak on it

[ornate bone]

Unarmored is alright

[gray ice]

on hsword? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[cerulean pike]

yeah no unarmored does nothing for you on hs

[gray ice]

comrades

we have identified western spy

[sterile stone]

[sterile stone]

Send to gulag

And only feed them vegan mac n cheese

[gray ice]

I'd rather be given death

[junior vault]

how do you get this menu?

[jaunty lava]

With a mod

[ornate bone]

Le zeloté

[gray ice]

fookin love elote

[sharp zodiac]

Insert that one generic french song here

[gray ice]

so all of em

[heavy arch]

i cant think of any french song

[gray ice]

I can remember a rap song I heard

was interesting if nothing else

[solar gorge]

eminemm

[junior vault]

Alouette smoke a cigarette

[sharp zodiac]

I prefer skittles

[solar gorge]

toopack

[gray ice]

.45 cent

[sharp zodiac]

.5 cent back

[heavy arch]

u shouldnt be a cashier

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[gray ice]

salt-N-Oregano

[sharp zodiac]

Id eat all the money

[solar gorge]

the notorious bee eye gee

[gray ice]

The Galas

[solar gorge]

pubbing this maelstrom is giving me braindamage

[sharp zodiac]

It's bound to happen

[heavy arch]

put ur th on

[sharp zodiac]

I have that feeling too

Or maybe that's just post sleep hitting me

[gray ice]

what about pre-sleep

[sharp zodiac]

That makes me hungry

[gray ice]

can relate

though that probably has more to do with smoking

[solar gorge]

no i'm dedicated to the vet rn

[sharp zodiac]

Wouldn't he surprised

Not saying I smoke or anything

[gray ice]

au natural for you

[solar gorge]

post-sleep

you're french

it's like midnight in france or something

how

there is something egregious at play

[sharp zodiac]

I napped

Or well

Slept early

[gray ice]

a shitty sleep schedule

[sharp zodiac]

Then got woken up by a pissed off lizard

[gray ice]

the classic blunder

show lizard

[solar gorge]

I think it's beyond shitty

[gray ice]

I mean I wake up most days at like 4pm dawg

[solar gorge]

No offense

[fleet zealot]

this is literally who you are arguing with online

[gray ice]

was working overnight for 6 years straight, there is no sleep schedule left

it was taken with my soul

[sharp zodiac]

Older pic cuz I don't want to wake her up

[solar gorge]

make it do a flip

[gray ice]

this is the best thing I'll see today

God lizards are fucking awesome

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[gray ice]

I want to get a bearded dragon so badly

and an argus monitor

[sharp zodiac]

They're cool

[gray ice]

Lookit this guy

[sharp zodiac]

I plan to buy her more things now that I've gotten a nicer place , I had just finally got the ceramic heat emitters for her nightly schedule

when they should've came weeks ago

[gray ice]

That's guy's the SHIT

oh damn

talk about a delay

[sharp zodiac]

Reminds me of another guy's Monitor

[solar gorge]

can you buy a komodore

[sharp zodiac]

No

[solar gorge]

the console

[gray ice]

a commodore 64?

[sharp zodiac]

Oh

[gray ice]

yea if you find it

[solar gorge]

the lizard

[gray ice]

boi do you mean a komodo dragon

[sharp zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OqsFanu4FHw?si=vHrumGVUTtOA0D6p

Found the guy

[gray ice]

i love this dude

belligerent ziptie is the greatest name

[sharp zodiac]

I always chuckle whenever I see it

[ripe quest]

[sharp zodiac]

As much as I love reptiles I'd never even want to own venomous snakes

As pretty as they genuinely are

[ornate bone]

Venomous is fine, I'd think

Poisonous is the problem

Or maybe it's the opposite

[sharp zodiac]

Venomous is no touch

[gray ice]

poison is if you eat it you get sick

[ripe quest]

If it bites you and you die, venomous.
If you bite it and you die, poisonous.

[sharp zodiac]

I mean that's poisonus

Fuck

[ornate bone]

No venomous then

[sharp zodiac]

You can tell they're poisonous because they're very colourful

[ornate bone]

Only keep the ones that kill you by strangling

Those are safe

[sharp zodiac]

Constrictors

Like pythons and anacondas

[ornate bone]

What are they gonna do, kill you?

[sharp zodiac]

It's not impossible

But it's not common either

[gray ice]

red and yellow is a deadly fellow
red and black is a friend to jack

[ornate bone]

Joke's on them, I'd want that

[sharp zodiac]

I think I have a feeling on which two you mean

[ornate bone]

Red and black is the cute one with white stripes

Very nice boy

[blazing fossil]

coral snakes?

[ornate bone]

I think so

[sharp zodiac]

I love every reptile

Especially crocodilians

[ornate bone]

I gave my kid a rattlesnake, that way I don't need to buy one of those shaking things each time my kid breaks it

Normalize saving money

[sharp zodiac]

Perfect cost savings

[blazing fossil]

i got to watch some elderly dude milk a rattlesnake to make antivenom, was really cool

dude was calm as can be

[fading vale]

simply get a large apex predator

[queen condor]

Can anyone help me with the Just a Flesh Wound penance?

[sharp zodiac]

It's very cool

Even if it does take a while for venemous snakes to produce said venom hence why they usually don't want to waste it unless necessary

Unrelated fun fact

[ebon agate]

Good evening

How exactly does BLOODLETTER work with Zealot´s Furious CXharge?

[gray ice]

what do you mean

[ebon agate]

will it apply bleed i neveryone I hit for 3s

Or will it preemptively bleed the target of my charge - which needs me to hold the button a little bit for extended charge

Bloodletter bless = bleeds stacks in yoru special

[gray ice]

the special attack for the weapon

as in the rev attack for the chain weapon

not the class special

[copper hawk]

Id eat this creature tbh

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-sad-crying-wipes-tears-wiping-tears-gif-24991919

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829907757238845501/1161669462131486782/uni_fnaf.gif?ex=653923fe&is=6526aefe&hm=c3b03668b4ae7de1e20742c6b0bdbec60b386058d4bc87e0a5008b05a8c3e2a0&

[ebon agate]

[oh]

tigrus mark XV

eviscerator build

i tihnk then perhaps bloodletter isnt the best blessing

what best bless you recommend for it?

shred +rampage?

[gray ice]

bloodthirsty would be a good replacement if you want to discriminate against crushers

shred rampage is good as well

[ebon agate]

aaah, I see. rev and attack on crusher head

[gray ice]

yep

[solar gorge]

bloodthristy+rampage my beloved

[gray ice]

I do like the XV, I wish I liked it as much as I liked the II

[ripe quest]

I used to work at a car wash and they had carnauba wax for one of the washes, this black licorice has it too.

https://tenor.com/view/soap-eating-soap-chewing-gif-17262433

[gray ice]

it's just one of those weird venn diagrams that you'd never think would overlap for applications of a product

[ripe quest]

corn

so much corn

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cornman-corn-man-corn-time-time-gif-20345758

[ripe quest]

I'm not super sure how much it transfers world wide but the US it's in everything

[gray ice]

it's E V E R Y W H E R E

[ripe quest]

If your food was processed 99% chance it has a corn product in it

[gray ice]

high fructose corn syrup

[sharp zodiac]

Never had corn itself tbh

[solar gorge]

they put something in the corn makes you forget

[gray ice]

[sharp zodiac]

That was my family's reaction too

[gray ice]

if you haven't had corn you're an alien

so when did you escape area 51 and take on a french persona to hide

[solar gorge]

It's not that prevalent in France

[gray ice]

and can you let me know if there's stealth blimps in there cuz I need to win this bet

[sharp zodiac]

There's 1

[gray ice]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK

[spare talon]

I'm actually kinda salty
My brother's very antisocial friend planned a whole "social week" where he did nothing but very social activities the whole week, and one of the days was finally playing darktide since he's a 40k fan, and having a full group for it
It was gonna be 3 new players (brother and 2 of his friends) and me and we planned it on a day where we all were avaliable
Then last night they said "actually we wanna do something different on that day so we're now doing it on Saturday, and we'll just do it without you cuz you're working that day"

[copper hawk]

Oh noh..

[sharp zodiac]

I know that feeling and it fucking SUCKS

[gray ice]

damn, that's rough buddy

[frank night]

the new year's experience

why tf is it midnight

i specifically requested it not be midnight

[sharp zodiac]

Because I came out

[frank night]

as what

[ornate bone]

Quebecois

[frank night]

did you reveal a sexuality or were you dressed fancy

[ornate bone]

Luna tricked us

[spare talon]

I came out as a zealot main and my family hasn't looked at me the same since.....

[ornate bone]

HARK YE KINDRED, YE FAM LACK FÊF

[frank night]

I feel like I'd freak out on a person if they scrombled long laid plans to specifically not involve me

Not 100% sure that I would

but I like to think I would erupt

to some degree

[serene briar]

What would you guys put on Curios for a Martyrdom melee-focused build?

[humble field]

Anything for Toughness/ Toughness Regen speed

youll be taking a lot of hits and its good to keep it up

[tranquil summit]

blessings for assault chainsword mk4?

[serene briar]

Toughness/Toughness Regeneration Speed/... health?

[spare talon]

Toughness regen only affects coherency regen, which is shut off during melee combat

[serene briar]

so Combat Ability Regeneration maybe? For more charges?

[spare talon]

Nope

Sorry for slow responses, I'm at work
Combat ability only gives 4%, 12% at 3 perks
That's like 3-4 seconds less at the most

[serene briar]

nw take your time^^

[hearty lily]

So if I use a flamer and hit a Scab Stalker....they are considered Flak Armor and Unarmored depending on where you hit them. Am I doing damage-over-time to each of their body parts or something? If I took +25% Flak damage, would that still proc? What if I took +25% unarmored?

just something I was thinking about

[spare talon]

Most ideal zealot perks are gunner resist
Toughness
And another resist of your choice (most go for sniper) OR stamina regen

[serene briar]

oh yeah gunner resist that makes sense

[solar gorge]

I think flamer hits only target the chest area

[serene briar]

they're basically the ones who always get me

[solar gorge]

so it'll count as flak

[hearty lily]

ohhhh that's interesting

[solar gorge]

same for purgatus

[hearty lily]

Im trying to think of what's a good damage perk to take that's NOT unyielding

that'll help with hordes

[spare talon]

Gunners resist is multiplicitiven so it isn't 60% with 3 perks, but it is like 51% or something
They become a non issue

Esp with twbs

[ornate bone]

Yes

2 gunner is the recommended limit

[ornate bone]

Infested

[hearty lily]

I thought about it and it seemed kinda limiting. There's only the Infested trash mob and the dogs, from what I remember

and Pox Burster

[ornate bone]

Though only something I'd use if you're barely away from one-hitting poxwalkers on a headshot and can't use purge the unclean from the talent tree

[ripe quest]

Found this really old knife clip when I was just messing around with friends

Got a 3k

[serene briar]

Wonderful. Thanks for the help, emperor bless you :3

[spare talon]

I still prefer 3 cuz like
What else am I gonna take

[ornate bone]

Infested also doesn't get affected by uncanny strike, which is why my knife is infested unarmored

[digital yacht]

+30% ordo dock

[ornate bone]

Revive speed, stamina regen, block efficiency

[hearty lily]

oh snap i didn't know this. So going 3 Gunner Resist isn't worth then?

that's what i got currently

[ornate bone]

My zealot curios are health toughness and stamina, corruption, block

[ripe quest]

Did you check first to see if you could hit BPs with other perks? You can get like 1-2 shot BPs on elites with other ones.

[ornate bone]

Yeah, I compensated a bit with the other stuff

For example, disdain to two-hit gunners

[ripe quest]

[spare talon]

Already got like 12m lole

[ripe quest]

Using Disdain to hit a BP on anything with low cleave just isn't it

It already only works every other swing

[ornate bone]

I found out the swing part doesn't matter

For the purpose I use it

If I do not have disdain, that means I used it and can get it next hit

If I do, I can use the damage boost

Either way I do one boosted and one normal attack

All because I missed a few units of damage on a fucking gunner

[plucky sparrow]

0% pen....

[fiery ingot]

wtf is that thing hanging in there

[north sedge]

penis

[fiery ingot]

looks like it

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

sucks buddy

[ornate bone]

Holy shit penis trinket

Thank you Fatshark

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-wut-what-hawkeye-obcrack-hawkeye-gif-25750464

[fiery ingot]

how do i unlock that

[haughty haven]

why this game hate me

[zinc talon]

it is a THUMB.

MY thumb

[ornate bone]

Penis with nail

Ewwww

[fiery ingot]

thumb sized pinto

[zinc talon]

first thumb I ever lost to that axe

[haughty haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888117742773882930/1137500914144518264/like.gif

[ornate bone]

uniform bilau

[fiery ingot]

i thought that was gonna be some ogryn p*rn shit

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-run-hide-cute-gif-15440141

[still quartz]

That Laspistol looking like a Tarkov gun

[haughty haven]

is this serviceable?

[flint imp]

somewhat salvageable tbh

[olive raven]

block to flak or maniac

rev to rampage

salvaged

[flint imp]

My goto blessing is def rampage + savage sweep for evis

[ebon agate]

wasted 700k godl tryign to get a 365+ XV eviscerator

feels bad

only got one... that had 50% damage lol

[minor sage]

you don't need 365+ lol

XV can dump mobility and semi-dump cleave

so you can get a pretty good one even at 330+

[ebon agate]

My man I don't even need to play the game. I just like optimization

[minor sage]

you like optimizing the dump stats?

[ebon agate]

Mobility is not dump

the only dump is cleave

regardless, not the point

[coral trellis]

about to play with these 2 in a match. to see which goes first, which of these 2 is better?

[minor sage]

in terms of weapons, they're both good. but zarona is a bit better on zealot/psyker

agri I think you can really only make it work on vet

[coral trellis]

ah ok

saw in sub thread and thought it was workable

thx for the info

[minor sage]

yeah it's a good weapon

but the weaknesses are really only solvable on vet

[ripe quest]

You can kinda get it to work on Zealot if you really like the quickloader, it'll be worse than a Zarona but still a Revolver. Will notably handle small elites worse with the lack of cleave but bigger elites handle about the same.

[haughty haven]

is the buster sword evis or the mk4 better for a scrub?

[ripe quest]

Which Evis? And by Mk IV do you mean the Chainsword?

[haughty haven]

mk 2 or mk XV

[ripe quest]

The Mk II will handle crowds better and is more of a generalist, the Mk XV is better with single target. If you don't want to think about combos use the XV, if you want general coverage use the II.

[haughty haven]

yeah xv seems more friendly for crowds with the light spam

dump stat?

prolly mobility?

[olive raven]

That is for the Mk2

not Mk15

[olive raven]

yes

[haughty haven]

Mother of god it's beautiful

[sharp zodiac]

That's enough chiv 2, gotta check in on melk now

[haughty haven]

wait so with momentum

are you basically just unkillable in a horde?

lol

i mean that's kinda zealot in general

but

[minor sage]

not with momentum

but in general yeah you're pretty much unkillable

here's a braindead evis15 build you can try if you wanna just be unkillable

basically all you need to do is press F, dash to enemies and spam left click

[haughty haven]

just tryna get all my classes to the passible level in damnation {weapons with some damage and synchrocity} then i'll go back through and perfect

[minor sage]

this one is pretty much unkillable

[haughty haven]

interesting

why the knoife?

[ripe quest]

Point cost

Second wind is a nice grab and that build is running crit CDR, so Scourge is gonna get grabbed.

[haughty haven]

okay what about blood redemption? that perk seems kinda like a no brainer for survivability

[minor sage]

the idea is that if you don't take hp damage

you don't need to take points that reduce hp dmg

[maiden path]

ok forgot that was spoilers

https://tenor.com/view/jogoat-gif-11996953865648686576

[ripe quest]

Blood Redemption just gives you 2.5% extra toughness on melee kill

It's ok ig, but it's not a priority really

[haughty haven]

ohhhh ok

so the dash gets you guaranteed crit, scourge just increases chances of crit after

[haughty haven]

they should really change the wording on that lol it looks more appealing than it is

[ornate bone]

The thing about blood redemption is it primarily makes hordes better for your toughness, but ideally hordes don't need such boosts

[ripe quest]

Typical Fatshark stuff.

[maiden path]

dont be mean to fatshark gys

all they have is like 5 billion dollars to make a game good

[haughty haven]

god after building up vet the other classes seem so flavorless lol

so many passives on vet

[ornate bone]

Zealot at least has some choices, but psyker worries me

[meager bison]

I came for the evis15 build, but Psyker needs more horizontal variability, too many locked talents.

[haughty haven]

i want immolation grenades but they kinda jib you out of the free dom of choice

[meager bison]

Vet's grenade choice is awesome

[haughty haven]

the answer is krak

[meager bison]

No I mean the ability to easily choose krak

You can pick any starting lane

[cerulean pike]

that’s after the update

[ornate bone]

Vet's tree was Fatshark learning not arbitrarily limiting people is healthy

Shame the grenade choice doesn't apply to the othed horizontal nodes and we still need 2 points just to travel across the tree

In a way I kinda miss VT2's tree

What if

The tree was tiered vertically and we didn't have paths

Just point requirements

Say, you have the start of vet's tree with longshot, that DR one and sprint efficiency

Putting points into any would unlock the talents below, those being headshot toughness, reload, aura radius, CK, tac reload and out for blood

Then you spend points on those and unlock the travel nodes below

No paths, just picking whatever in any order only filling point requirements

[north sedge]

🤔

[ornate bone]

It would mean you wouldn't need to travel back and forth between trees

But talents would need to be rearranged a bit and maybe have point requirements balancing the better talents

Or else the player could do something like pick elite damage, onslaught, rending strikes and ogryn damage by just point requirements

If I remember, I'll make a small diagram after I'm done working

I'm trying to think of a game that does this system

[fiery ingot]

it would also mean we would go back to pre-tree rework patch

[ornate bone]

Kind of

It would be similar to those, but the player wouldn't be locked to one choice per line

Let's say onslaught is in the 20th horizontal line of the vet tree

[meager bison]

I love titan's quest tree/grim dawn

[ornate bone]

If you reached onslaught with points

You'd be able to pick any talent on that line

And all of them if you want

Yeah, it's pretty much like Grim Dawn

That's a good example

[fiery ingot]

oh i see

[meager bison]

Imagine those numbers on the bottom are levels

[ornate bone]

It's like that that I see, minus the paths locking skills

[cerulean pike]

insert pre-talent tree update here

[meager bison]

I mean you need some path locking, like blitz trees

[cerulean pike]

insert vermintide tree here

[ornate bone]

Or maybe tie all rending skills together into prerequisites

Auras, blitzes and keystones would still lock each other, yeah

[ripe quest]

That just isn't it. It's a great way to make our powercreep issues way worse until they eventually nerf everything into the ground to make up for the freedom the system offers.

[meager bison]

Or just make t6

[polar nexus]

TIL

[steep flame]

what does this mean...

[ornate bone]

Well, if we apply the system to the exact trees we have, we're screwed

[polar nexus]

what are the other class iconic features?

[ripe quest]

Ogryn has 20% HP DR and 36% TDR innately.

[ornate bone]

Zealot abandons the team and psyker dies to poxwalkers

[ripe quest]

Also stagger resistance iirc

I'll grab the list rq

[ornate bone]

I'll redo the vet tree Grim Dawn style after work

I'm confident it'll be interesting

[ripe quest]

Oh it's the revive uninterruptable thing.

[meager bison]

If you remember, tag me please

[ornate bone]

Just a disclaimer that I won't present a game-ready tree without issues

The idea is just pathing and making intertree (I'm eloquent) builds less of a hassle

[copper hawk]

erm

amelia

u'd lose.

!?

[ornate bone]

Silence gay cat

[fiery ingot]

i dont think it would work as intended, as arpgs are meant to work that way: cool stuff is locked behind points investments for the purpose of the progression effect, while in darktide, the way i see it, its locked behind levels for the purpose of keeping the player in check so they dont suddenly power creep everything outside their level

[ornate bone]

Well, we technically have that too

[cerulean pike]

path of exile tree > grim dawn tree

[ornate bone]

Rending strikes is all the way down the middle

The keystones are the last part of the tree

[light holly]

Well technically a game like an ARPG does lock you being levels and progress

Some of these builds NEEDS

Certain point investment

[ornate bone]

Though we have wacky shit at the start too

[light holly]

which is technically levels

[fiery ingot]

yeah but i think that is so you have a big point investment for a good perk. locking you out of other good options if you want to go all the way down (or it should)

[ornate bone]

Honestly the Darktide trees don't make much sense too

You get confirmed kill for 2 points

Basically every vet has it and it's the talent vets use

[light holly]

I mean the Talent "tax"

Is all over the place

VOC only needs

1

[fiery ingot]

every class needs a way of replenishing toughness and usually that is the first few points investments, tho i do agree its a bit overtuned

[light holly]

infiltrate needs like

2 or 3

investment

[ornate bone]

Yeah, the game doesn't have a properly thought tax for these things

It's one of the weird parts of it

Zealot gets 25% ranged damage for 1 point

[ripe quest]

25% ranged damage within 8 meters

[ornate bone]

Another one and they get 20% to infested and unyielding

[spare dome]

Falls off after 8m yea

But like

[serene briar]

Hadron plz

[spare dome]

Shit what a fat node

[ornate bone]

Absolute chonker

[fiery ingot]

i cant really complain tbh, considering that the old ultra basic talent tree with almost no identity whatsoever was fatshark pattern, i think this is a huge step for them. i would assume their balance team is still developing their skills towards this more deep and complex changes

[ripe quest]

It pulls a good amount of weight yeah.

[ornate bone]

Or chastise having a single modifier for an extra charge and by default being a low cooldown ability that regens toughness and increases attack speed

And being predated by benediction

And holy rev