zealot-class

[royal vortex]

deranged

ppl just dont comprehend yet

[ripe quest]

Ah yes mmmm I appear to have been hit, time to pull out my lawnmower to regen that

[steady hearth]

but you have to aim gud :(

[royal vortex]

not with a shotgun, plasma, or revolver u dont

find sufficiently sized group of enemies

[native cargo]

Ah yes the lovely cryo thrower

[royal vortex]

aim high

witness the toughness bar rollercoaster

[steady hearth]

The DR is only against ranged right

[fiery ingot]

doesnt do damaj, i pick flamer

[steady hearth]

i forget

[fiery ingot]

tho the goo spiller is fun as hell man

[royal vortex]

all toughness dr is vs every source of damage

they would lie for a while and put "ranged toughness dr" in descriptions but that has never existed

[ripe quest]

It turns your pick into a Thammer equivalent.

[steady hearth]

huh, I could've sworn takedown only affected ranged but i guess not

[ripe quest]

Also temp shock is nuts

[royal vortex]

i miss when it made u take more damage

[fiery ingot]

[sly shale]

I like sticky fuel the most, coupled with plasma TCF, DoT galore

[sinful widget]

Is there a reason to run the stun grenade blitz? I cant find any good reason to

Immolation just seems like a no brainer

[fiery ingot]

hey josho i was testing some stuff with crusher on psykhanium and it seems like push attack l1 rinse repeat does almost the same as push attack l1 heavy attack

maybe im charging the heavies for too long so idk

[lone pecan]

For good revives or give your team some space if shit goes bad and you don't have a crusher in your hand, maybe

[royal vortex]

the psykh doesn't really tell the full story when it comes to stuff like that and also it depends a bit on the adm

[fiery ingot]

adm?

[royal vortex]

cuz u have to be careful about push attack usage particularly vs ragers or enemies doing running attacks in hordes

armor damage modifier

[fiery ingot]

ohh

[royal vortex]

the thing about the damage numbers is that when ur testing in the psykh ur doing it either vs ai off enemies or under very controlled conditions generally

which is nice for numbers benchmarking but crusher has a lil more involvement with how u use it so there's actual game considerations

if u have desperation, for instance, and wanna stay at low stam for the extra damage

u have to be careful not to get guardbroken because that just completely fucks u up

[fiery ingot]

yeah been fucked up a fair bit during mixed hordes

[royal vortex]

h1 should also have the most stagger which matters for stuff like crushers

[fiery ingot]

and it also seems to deal a shit ton of damage to bulwarks too

[royal vortex]

i think i deleted the section on crushers i had written for wordcount concerns i might throw it back in

[sly shale]

I find that immolation grenades kill everything but crushers so fast that spending a few more seconds waiting tends to give better results than using a stunstorm

[royal vortex]

"If you do have impact, I would start with a H1 and transition into a push attack, because the initial stagger animation lowers his head, making it easier to hit the push attack, then follow up with an L1 into a standard single target rotation, the L1 after push attack should up his stagger state to 2, starting a new stagger animation (to take advantage of Skullcrusher longer as well as keeping him CC’d). "

[fiery ingot]

but for example, it feels much nicer and faster to just spam push attacks and light once to deal with a scattered pack of gunners and shotgunners in most cases

[royal vortex]

those are fairly squishy elites

u can get away with PA-L2 or a h1 depending on buffs and how confident u are at headshotting

[fiery ingot]

yeah so makes sense to not chain the heavy

[royal vortex]

the push attack is less forgiving on bodyshot

because it has a lower base damage but juiced finesse mod

[fiery ingot]

ohh so thats why

[royal vortex]

and it has less reach than the uhhh

h1

with a worse animation

like if you throw a guy on his stomach with a h2 or smth and his head is further away from you it's better to do the h1

[steady hearth]

why in the world DOES teh crusher pushattack

do a gorillion finesse damage

[royal vortex]

this is quite nerd-emoji

[steady hearth]

it's bizarre

[royal vortex]

but basically this specific interaction lets u abuse skullcrusher longer

[fiery ingot]

but thats actually very valuable wth

[royal vortex]

oh it's because crab wanted them to make it that way

because it's hard to hit the headshot

so the idea is you have to put in work doing weird jank camera placement stuff (which he likes doing) to get those headshots

[royal vortex]

yeah i dont actually know why this doesn't make it into the final draft of the crusher guide

i deleted it moving from the google doc to the steam page

i think the reason why is because i came to accept the charged push attack as something u should incorporate more often between the first crack at writing and the last

and didn't update it

[fiery ingot]

yeah it kinda became a hidden input in my head to always start push attacking whenever im going to hit something for the first time

[royal vortex]

tbf that's not bad

[fiery ingot]

so even to start doing a heavy it will become some sort of prog for me

[royal vortex]

but the nice thing about the push attack

is a lot of the time ur moves will put the dude on the floor

and then its way easier to hit the headshot when the dude is on the ground

/in a stagger animation really

[fiery ingot]

yeah i still keep missing them for some skill issues, i just need to get more used to the tempo and remember to walk forwards

[royal vortex]

most of them force the enemies to lower their head

the crusher is also kinda relatively forgiving about fucking up combos and whatnot

[fiery ingot]

yeah, so as long as i have impact stacks up which is easy to have, anything that i do will break whatever it is the enemy is doing anyway

[royal vortex]

the high stagger means just hittin guys is normally getting u where u wanna go vs smth like rashad where a bodyshot radically changes the performance of the weapon for that one swing (since no bm proc)

[fiery ingot]

bromentum for crusher when fatshark

[lone pecan]

I agree, I also don't use the stun ones, I tried for shocking stuff for so long I might never use them again, ever

[royal vortex]

i want them to give crusher a version of all or nothing that's damage and cleave instead of power

[fiery ingot]

that would be awesome

[royal vortex]

so that u can like

take the impact blessing

or u can run skrusher + all or nothing for the DAMAGE

[fiery ingot]

trading off the power output for some cleave dmg or first target

[royal vortex]

but tbf with 80% skullcrusher ur not really hurting for damage

[fiery ingot]

wait 80%?

how tf you get to 80%?

[royal vortex]

it caps at 80%

is what i mean

it used to be 40% pre patch 13 or 14

[fiery ingot]

ohh skullcrusher gets to 8 yeah mb

oh yeah its pretty easy to get to 8 stacks on a crusher

i forgot i had enemy debuffs on now

[royal vortex]

gettin the stacks on is the easy part

the annoying part is keeping them in a stagger animation to keep them active

[fiery ingot]

true, its specially harder when they're in packs

i still havent figured out the best way to deal with ragers and crushers packs

for ragers i just hit special atk and keep light 1 forever until they get thinned and i can safely pick on by one

but for crushers its even harder what to decide tbh

[royal vortex]

generally i just chastise h1 into them and then use normals from that point onwards

since ur regular attacks will stagger em

and the h2 cleaves enough to keep a few off you each swing

more of a "do as necessary" thing for ragers cuz like

u wanna shoot em

[fiery ingot]

i end up shooting the crushers intead

laspistol on crushers is so nice with chastise

[royal vortex]

i enjoy engaging crushers in glorious melee combat

i make every kill very personal

[fiery ingot]

i dont have the balls for that

because i cant tell when there's a crusher behind the pack ready to land the overhead on me

[royal vortex]

an activated h1 normally stops that

blast radius is big enough to catch the dudes trying to phase through em

[fiery ingot]

ohhh

crazy how knowledge of the weapon can open so many ways to use it

[buoyant pecan]

[royal vortex]

i pmuch exclusively use the crusher when i play zealot since p14

[fiery ingot]

like i never thought that activating it would cause an impact on a crusher pack

[royal vortex]

ive tried the new eviscerator and i always get bored

[buoyant pecan]

What talents and perks

[fiery ingot]

and chastising into ragers with a guaranteed hit would keep them staggered for the next attacks

[buoyant pecan]

I see

[royal vortex]

the activations all have infinite cleave and cause explosions

the light/push attack just have significantly reduced blast radius

[fiery ingot]

yeah ik about the cleave, but didnt know the blast radius on heavy would be enough to do that

[royal vortex]

the dark days when u would just spam activated l1 since it had the unnerfed blast radius and didn't actually do damage

fkin stunstick

[fiery ingot]

btw since you're already here, could you point out if im good with this or should i keep hunting for better rolls? i can still swap one more thing in it but idk what would be ideal

[royal vortex]

thats solidly in the good enough range

u wont notice a huge difference between that and a 380 godroll bar perks

but those come down to personal preference generally

[fiery ingot]

oh thats good to know

i have a very good boss dealer laspistol. should i change the uniyelding in crusher for elite or something else?

[stable cypress]

max power output would be "nice" but not really necessary and the only crusher blessing is skullcrusher so

[royal vortex]

i played with an i think 61% power output crusher for a good while

[stable cypress]

yeah its nbd

[royal vortex]

and i can't actually tell u the difference between 61 and 80% besides

vibes

[stable cypress]

like maybe a meter on heavy special suppression unless thats changed idr idc lol

[royal vortex]

i mean unyielding specifically helps u kill bulwarks which the lastpistol isn't gonna be doing on any consistent basis

[fiery ingot]

this thing here is a monstruosity as it is, so idk about the uniyelding on crusher

oh so its needed for breakpoints then

[royal vortex]

citing myself here

i dont know why the double asterisk part is there

i think that got left in from when i was formatting it differently

unyielding makes the l2-h1 hs breakpoint much more attainable on crusher essentially

which isn't required for killing a bulwark in 1 stagger cycle it just makes it a lot faster

[fiery ingot]

oh ok so its better to keep it then

[native cargo]

Desperation 😩

[royal vortex]

yea im a fan of cara/unyielding myself

[stable cypress]

It doesn't really need others, its fine vs flak and doesn't give a flying fuck about ragers since it staggers them ez anyways

[royal vortex]

maniac/unyielding also isn't the worst

though maniac does nothing for flamers since u always one-tap with the h1 headshot

[fiery ingot]

i;ve been seriously thinking about swapping desperation to purge the unclean tbh

[royal vortex]

i went the other way

cuz i thought about it

and i didn't care about the infested damage

and desperation just applies way more generally for me cuz im not really shooting unyielding enemies with my columnus brauto

[native cargo]

I'm too scared to try to farm for an unyielding crusher since my favorite one atm used all my luck

[royal vortex]

its a super easy weapon to roll

have no fear

[native cargo]

I am easily spooked

[fiery ingot]

yeah i got mine in like 5 failed upgrades or so

its not too bad

[native cargo]

Though how much more damage does unyielding give it must be pretty noticeable

[buoyant pecan]

Do I need the left stuff above knives?

[native cargo]

For the crusher anyways

[buoyant pecan]

Right I mean

Sorry am stupid, on sedatives atm

[fiery ingot]

i always one shot bulwarks in psykhanium. but josho already said it that psykhanium damage will always be different from the actual in game field

[royal vortex]

do u mean the crit talents or just pathing through knives in general

[fiery ingot]

i have unyielding 20 on my crusher

[buoyant pecan]

Yea

I dont respect them

[royal vortex]

u can go immo nades but i pmuch always take knives because it frees up points

since i always want second wind

[buoyant pecan]

I dont even know what that is

I just like the extra unyielding and infested damage u can get for free

[royal vortex]

this is a 26 point build if u wanted to take immos

[native cargo]

It's the second time the wind blows

[royal vortex]

spend the remaining 4 on w/e u want

[buoyant pecan]

Yea thats the stuff

[timid mortar]

FragStorm or Immolation?
why would anyone choose Fragstorm (if it wasn't for Penance)

[buoyant pecan]

That's the shit

[royal vortex]

second wind is 15% toughness on dodge

[fiery ingot]

its really hard to play without second wind even more on crusher i feel

[buoyant pecan]

Ah yea. Dont care for it. That's what the flamer is for

[fiery ingot]

fair

[buoyant pecan]

I'm not dodging all of that.

[royal vortex]

depends on build a bit. if u have flamer no real point in immo nades and stuns help with elite patrols (bulwarks in particular)

[fiery ingot]

pulls out the autopistol with toughness regen on shooting blessing

[buoyant pecan]

I'm too ogyrn pilled for this dodging thing

[fiery ingot]

oops worng flamer

[royal vortex]

on the marty hsword build i played when p13 first came out grabbing vicious offering (7.5% toughness on heavy attack kill) was smth i wanted to do

so pathing through stuns just saved me points

[buoyant pecan]

I'm too used to just holding LMB in the face of unkillable odds and not dying

Because Ogyrn is that easy

[royal vortex]

and a deathblow 9 isn't exactly hurting for aoe damage

[timid mortar]

I have revolver:
I only used Flamer for 2 weeks during Penance challenge.

• so fragstorm is still preferred?

[royal vortex]

yea i mean u can't go "wrong" with stuns the way u can with throwing knives (if you're really bad at aiming, that is)

ppl here generally seem to take immos

not me though i hate em

love knives

[fiery ingot]

yeah takes a bit of getting used to but i got to fucking love knives too

[timid mortar]

How many knives for a Charger?

[native cargo]

I use immo nades cus i like boobies

[royal vortex]

2 if u hit headshots and have +maniac on ur equipped weapon

[fiery ingot]

after learning how to properly shoot knives i see the other 2 grenades as too mid to be worth the points

~~i confess i did used ranged weapon ads to properly aim first then shoot thhe knives at the beginning ~~

[royal vortex]

i didnt know knives were a projectile with an arc the first 5 matches i played with them until i fucking asked someone who was watching my discord stream and 3 separate ppl called me stupid

i thought it was hitscan. i dunno why

[timid mortar]

I'm doing a orthus-build so CC is an issue for me:
knives vs immolation vs fragstorm.

[fiery ingot]

grenades for sure

[royal vortex]

i prefer knives for orthus way more

[fiery ingot]

i use knives only to take out special enemies which there arent that many in orthus

[royal vortex]

i don't find immos/stuns super useful in that fight because u have 2 enemies who dont give a fk about either of them and they have way way way worse pathing nodes

[native cargo]

Too used to guns. Too used to the mediocrity of only aiming and pulling trigger. Then you discovered the need to arc and shark. You realized what true happiness is

[royal vortex]

second wind is so hugely valuable and being able to path through that for cheap compared to taking it and a nade lowering my damage output

[timid mortar]

I don't worry about twins - it's the chargers swarming around my team.

• help team
• or solo twins

[native cargo]

Solo your team and the twins

[fiery ingot]

help the twins

[royal vortex]

i mean generally u can't control boss aggro

and the way the fight goes is if rinda is on ur ass u make sure rinda doesn't kill u

and the other 3 guys deal with stuff while you duel/kite the boss (depending on how confident you are and how much health you have)

particularly for hard mode which will throw a bunch of crushers n whatnot i don't find the immos actually doing much

considering you can't really lock guys down

[fiery ingot]

having someone dedicated to deal with the elite threats there is a huge life saver

[timid mortar]

Crushers ignore knives too I guess?

[royal vortex]

well they do

unless

[fiery ingot]

rinda shield takes more damage from ranged weapons, so iags or brautos does wonders there

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/qzijg3

[fiery ingot]

oh this one video

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/srlwgj

if u have a source of rending on a weapon u can do funny stuff with knives

[native cargo]

You could do this or be like Mal during my clear of hard mode: shout rinda into a corner and have all four of us fortnite dance on her thus killing her.

I'll never forget that moment lmao

[timid mortar]

the heavystrikes will buff knife-throw damage?

[royal vortex]

uncanny strike's rending applies to knives

[fiery ingot]

uncanny strike blessing

[royal vortex]

same as both surgical and handcannon applying to tknives

[fiery ingot]

man thats so funny

throwing knife handcannon

handcannon'ed throwing knife

[timid mortar]

tactical-load: knife.

[native cargo]

Sounds funny and possibly ridiculous until you realize your zealot has been doing hand workouts for the past month to prepare for that throw

[royal vortex]

i studied the blade

[timid mortar]

isn't knife kinda redundant if you're rocking hand-cannon tho'?

[royal vortex]

yea its not a great pairing

but the tknife one shot is p funny

[timid mortar]

thx, I'll try it

[lost solar]

i mean

that should be ur stuff mostly anyways so the knives bbecome great tool against crushers

the only thing im torn is which blessing would be 2nd bis for dagger

rending is must

but bleed and the +60% bonus weakspoint are all good

both type of bleed blessings

[frozen ibex]

Stealth loner crusher gud?

[timid mortar]

will Rending in Eviscerator work with knife?

[timid mortar]

Are Crushers stealthy?

[frozen ibex]

Yes

[still quartz]

Definitely

Including the enemy ones

I've seen one sneak up to a Psyker from behind and flatten him like a pancake

[sacred vessel]

now what

[lone pecan]

Wrath to rampage and block to flak? Then use a crit build

[sacred vessel]

the hadron lottery was not kind to me

[rigid trellis]

you can keep wrath and change both perks

wrath isnt great but if there's any weapon it can go on its that one

[stiff timber]

the adrenaline from 1hp clutch save all team is so good

had to move back and forth a zone

[native cargo]

If the audio screws up just right poxbursters are stealthy

which is

very absurd

[steady hearth]

spidey sense mod is mandatory unless you're a masochist

[frozen ibex]

[steady hearth]

At least twice a game I'll get colored visual indicators and be like HMMMM WHERE IS MY SOUND FATSHARK

[spare dome]

no thanks

[steady hearth]

burster pops out from around a corner without so much as a beep

[frozen ibex]

Imagine cheating.

[spare dome]

sincerely

[timid mortar]

Hard Mode: Speakers off.

• audio cues off: backstab, bursters, snipers, muties, dogs, trappers

[steady hearth]

until fatshark fixes their damn sound it's a bandaid fix for a brokenass game

[frozen ibex]

[blazing fossil]

instead of their audio engine deciding what sounds to play not play, maybe it should adjust volume instead

[lone pecan]

Maybe they can put Jesper Kyd in charge, not only will it work then but the sounds will be amazing too

[native cargo]

Not really cheating when it's accessibility and a bandaid to broken audio

I usually wouldn't use a mod like that but I got tired of not hearing shit that I should have heard

[obtuse solstice]

what gun has the highest boss dps potential? (except bolter)

[kind idol]

frag nade big boom

[ancient brook]

Laspistol with Cunning Shot + Special Delivery

I think you can take out a rotfly in one clip?

[stiff timber]

what this guy even doing this whole time

[ancient brook]

Maybe I'm thinking Black Homunculus tho

[ancient brook]

This is a lie, btw

Don't trust men on the internet

I have your passwords and your bank account now

[obtuse solstice]

on zealot

[ancient brook]

Your mom is sending me cookies

[obtuse solstice]

I dont even know what a rotfly is

[native cargo]

Them vertical rectangles getting outta hand

[copper hawk]

Ulp

[native cargo]

Go sleep GAY CAT

[rigid trellis]

the overall scores don't tell you much and are near pointless on the scoreboard

[copper hawk]

Rampage as one of ur blessings

[native cargo]

Gay cat is right

[blazing fossil]

yea get ovenproof mod imo

[stiff timber]

i mean we won so whatever

[kind idol]

thats a generous "we" right there lol

[stiff timber]

well

i think it was the gun psyker

lmao

had to charge alone as well to 20++ gunner

coz its 2 psyker and 1 vet

[copper hawk]

Kill u.

[ember yew]

This
https://packaged-media.redd.it/n7w72ryah88c1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1703469600&s=e08969eee9af85904a11d7524ee3856b9fd99486#t=0

[copper hawk]

When r we playin 2gether

So i can throw the match

[stiff timber]

wtf xD

ill just pretend its a surge smite

sometime i see it..

[native cargo]

When I get outta my rat hole. I just ate soup and tummy is full

[ember yew]

Psykers being psykers

[stiff timber]

they are helpful when helpful

not so much when its a gun psyker tho

[kind idol]

dont lump us with those miscreant

[stiff timber]

occasional smite and bubble

but very hard when im the one charging solo

1 of each class is best :/

i want my ogryn taunt

it was auric damnation btw*

[native cargo]

Bonk

[copper hawk]

Rat hole

[hushed knoll]

[copper hawk]

OTAY

I will eepz..

Gayly.. in my gay lil bed..

Cuddlin w my gay lil blahaj..

[native cargo]

Hell yas

[sinful widget]

my beloved says you'll dream of fighting 100 poxbursters

[craggy python]

well, my beloved says you'll dream of fighting 100 crushers

[gilded cairn]

What kind of advantage do I have with the Agripina Mk VIII braced gun vs the Infantry Mk V autogun?

[ember yew]

bullets will penetrate low mass targets (aka cleave)

• stagger

[gilded cairn]

Hmm

Much better than nothing I guess, did not realized it had cleave. I usually don't use it against low mass targets.

[ember yew]

also

VIII benefit a lot from this talent

dont use braced stance, unless you just want to shoot at horde

[gilded cairn]

Pretty much never

The other braced guns, do they also get cleave against low mass?

[ember yew]

tbh, i dont remember, but maybe they do

you can just buy a grey one

and test in psykanium

[gilded cairn]

Let's see

[buoyant pecan]

Ringleading again?

[gilded cairn]

Ahh, I could not help the very first one I bought had decent stats. Is not even a braced gun

[buoyant pecan]

Just sleep

You need 8 STRAIGHT hours Cica

[gilded cairn]

Well the other two braced guns and the Graia Infantry gun have cleave against low mass targets, so I think I will stick with the Graia for my "in case I need to shoot hordes" weapon.

[ember yew]

its not like "for hordes", but when specials mixed it, it does the job

you just obliterate your way to that special

and kill it

[gilded cairn]

That is a much more important job than just killing trash mobs with gun and I do find myself in those scenarios every now and then.

[ember yew]

thats why i've been using it for awhile now, even tho last 250 games was like Laspistol mk2

and now maybe around 70 with AG8

[gilded cairn]

I think most of my zealots game have been played with a bunch of different versions of headhunter guns and lasgun Mk XII, but I can only handle so many lasgun games and I swap into the agripina braced gun to be "a bit more effective".

[ember yew]

well lasguns just kinda suck, at least on zealot, laspistol is better

[gilded cairn]

Ohh yeah, it does.

[ember yew]

and HH is fun, but scoring headshots when everything going apeshet is problematic

tho with headshot + critbuild

HH9 can erase a crusher within like 0.4 sec

[kind idol]

embrace the glorious LasPistol

[zinc talon]

...

[ember yew]

discord lagging

[sharp zodiac]

Discord having its moment

[stark flame]

Yo, which zealot grills have voice filters now?

[sharp zodiac]

I think only one set

[stark flame]

thanks, I was wondering if they would go back and add it to the cosmetics that have obvious amplifiers (like one of the early upper body sets) but yeah unlikely

[naive star]

Hadron broke it i guess

Started grey and got 0/4

And now discord broke it too

[copper hawk]

Yarp

Finally i will be banned

[buoyant pecan]

[copper hawk]

Fweedom..

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-ban-this-guy-gif-21304842

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-fucking-bingle-bingle-nofly-list-sprigatito-gif-27455745

[naive star]

So just made my first Combat Knife mk3, how to play?

[ornate bone]

Do any of zelots powers autorevie teammates?

[buoyant pecan]

Nope

Vet shout does

[ornate bone]

ah thats what i saw

[naive star]

How to swing my Combat Blade mk3? Heavies for single target damage and lights for hordes?

[frozen glen]

yep

[polar plover]

is anyone having lag problems with youtube?
i have super fast internet but videos aren't loading
but able to stream HQ twitch streams and netflix

[lone pecan]

No problem with YT, but discord is on its last breath

[buoyant pecan]

The overlords furries are losing it

[lone pecan]

Maybe too many peoplde did cancel their nitro after the last mobile update

[buoyant pecan]

I mean they keep adding dumbass features

[sharp zodiac]

I never bothered updating discord to its latest version

Saw it was ass so I swapped back to the old layout

[lone pecan]

Same

[celest cave]

Do you use adblock?

[keen silo]

which autogun is good right now?

[fading vale]

pretty much all of them

not the agri IX

[keen silo]

columnus feels better at mid range

any autogun for long range?

[frozen glen]

put on dance of death

[fiery ingot]

that is the headhunter yes? why is it bad? i havent tested it

[frozen glen]

and they all become long range

[ornate bone]

this wep be poggers

dunno how it is in damnation or heresy though just gave it some test run in malic

[naive star]

Yeah Heavy Swords clear really well, just struggle some with carapace armored targets

[wraith helm]

Maybe someone can explain it to me. Is there a limit to how much extra damage you can do to monstrocities with a weapon like a bolter?

[fleet zealot]

wdym

[ornate bone]

just use thammer and one shot them

[fleet zealot]

iirc, none of the enemies in this game have a damage cap besides the twins (which is to make them an actual boss fight that can't be cheesed)

[wraith helm]

Like when you combat stim and chastice, i try to mag dump a boss but i am getting inconsistent results to it absolutely leveling a bosses health, to only doing a quarter of their health

[fiery ingot]

you need britleness if you want to deal increased damage over each shot

[wraith helm]

I have shatter rounds

It mostly happens with chaos spawn and dh. I would buff up and unload and some games, it would destroy them but then it would only do like half the damage i saw games previous

[north sedge]

bolter does its best dmg with the finesse shots, you're really only gonna do it that consistently on BoN weakspot

[wraith helm]

Oh you mean weakspot hits like headshots and BoN back

Could be me. I always do try to hit the weakspot as best i can but it just feels like the game is forgetting to include the extra damage from buffs

Just because there is so much going on

[north sedge]

I mean you're also magdumping a bolter, not the most accurate

[full nebula]

What's the best blessing/perk combo for the mk6 combat knife for clearing and single target?

doesn't have to be amazing, just want something rounded

[north sedge]

It's just not a super amazing boss weapon outside of bon, in the very least consistency wise

[signal garden]

Is there a consensus for best perks/blessings on MkII Eviscerator? Particularly if running crit build

[north sedge]

Flak maniac

[wraith helm]

Its a boss, its not like you're gonna miss

Its a matter of hitting the weakspot hits

[north sedge]

You're also not gonna be consistently hitting the same spot mag dumping unless you're fairly close and they're not moving much

[wraith helm]

exactly that. I try to be close when i do. chaos spawn is probably the worst one for me to do so

[polar plover]

femboy discussion time ?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-cat-drinking-water-stupid-stupid-cat-gif-12327862702270255434

[north sedge]

Definitely uncanny, not sure on ideal otherwise but believe it's similar if not same as mk3 as far as those go

[polar plover]

uncanny strike and bleed on crit are the best

flesh tearer

[signal garden]

Agreed on the perks, but for blessings I like rampage and shred, but I see wrath mentioned a lot. That seems like a waste unless I'm missing something. Horde clear is a non-issue for it unless it's for hitting multiple mailers

[polar plover]

lacerate is nice but you get punished for weak spot hitting

[ornate bone]

imagine not 1-2 shotting monstrosities..

[polar plover]

and uncanny procs on weak spot lol

[ornate bone]

[polar plover]

so lacerate sucks ass

[north sedge]

Sweep is generally better than wrath, but either way it just means killing more shit on your heavies

[polar plover]

isnt t1 savage sweep better than t4 wrath

[wraith helm]

Hmm. Would wrath be good on a light-spamming mk13g chainsword?

[signal garden]

Understood. Thanks

[north sedge]

No, the blessings end up around the same at t4, difference is that wrath drops on miss and has to be stacked up, sweep is just hit 3 dudes

[frozen glen]

4 target cap

[north sedge]

Wrong evisc

[frozen glen]

you're the wrong evisc

[wraith helm]

This got me to 1.1M damage last night. But the talk of wrath has me wondering if it is worth it

[polar plover]

woah pen the dump stat, classic

[west schooner]

without wrath it'll be hard to proc rampage with chainsword

[frozen glen]

wrath is fine

[west schooner]

if its a devil claw, u can switch wrath for shred, but its a chainsword, the base cleave isnt good enough

[wraith helm]

I figured as such

Its just so good

[hearty lily]

I feel like since flamer does such poor damage to Carapace Armor, that it's not worth putting on the +25% Carapace Damage perk, right?

[placid fiber]

The only thing that would really do is when you used chastise it would help melt crusher groups a little bit faster

[north sedge]

Don't need cara, but chastise will melt them without it

[hearty lily]

ah. see i use the prayer skill

[placid fiber]

Completely useless then >.>

[hearty lily]

to be fair, i had a guy charge the group and get downed immediately, causing a huge chain reaction into a team wipe

but it felt like i was powerless to clutch it

[placid fiber]

The key to a clutch is skill, luck, and a good set up

oh and luck

if I didn't mention that already

[hearty lily]

[wraith helm]

What would be the dump stat on a chainsword

[placid fiber]

mobility

[north sedge]

Cara won't do anything then

[keen silo]

how do i use stun grenade efficiently?
it feels super useless
not long enough to kill enemies

[wraith helm]

For survivability

[lone pecan]

You can use it to revive people with 10 crushers around them

[wraith helm]

Too many enemies? just stun them.

[ember yew]

throw it under downed person

and res

just be aware of snipers or gunners

otherwise it's top tier tool to save downed teammates

[keen silo]

the throwing animation is like 2x or 3x slower than emolation grenade

[ember yew]

or stun crusher/bulwark patrols

[wraith helm]

Like an extra second. If you see the danger, it shouldnt matter

[lone pecan]

I wish stun and immo grenade would trade places in the tree

[ember yew]

[north sedge]

I'm fine with where they are

Stuns can also be used to shutdown a ranged group you can't get to yet for whatever reason

[blazing fossil]

lol my zealot told the team he considers them family, adopted family, adopted family from the gutter.... anyone heard that before?

[keen silo]

with the turtosky sword
what other wep/grenade can i rely on / what tactic can i rely on when i am cornered by a crusher

or a mauler

[blazing fossil]

bolter or revolver

[keen silo]

since it doesnt have any carapace related counters

[blazing fossil]

I like the bolter and just auto fire into their faces

with blades of faith I use that for trappers hounds

[north sedge]

Special heavy loop if it's not a pack

[keen silo]

does fan the flames not work at all

[north sedge]

Only on the puff

[keen silo]

if its a crusher+ other shit?
basically a pack?

[keen silo]

so puffing enemies then heavies will stagger carapace?

[north sedge]

A pack of crushers

Ftf only is gonna affect flamer

[keen silo]

oh

that sucks

[north sedge]

If you're running chastise you can melt elite packs with flamer anyway

[keen silo]

so chastise cancel then secondary spam?

[north sedge]

Get burn stacks up then chastise

Nah gotta stack burn first

[keen silo]

man using the flamer feels so clunky

[north sedge]

#zealot-class message

Like in that video

[keen silo]

does thy wrath be swift give u immunity against ranged attacks?

like gunners/

doesnt feel like it

[north sedge]

Yes

[keen silo]

so stripped down is useless when having that perk?

[north sedge]

Stun immunity

You still get hit, but no stagger from it

[keen silo]

gotcha

[indigo quartz]

Stripped down is true immunity

[keen silo]

what would u rather take
duelist
or thy wrath be swift

with evisc XV

[north sedge]

Twbs

[keen silo]

tyty

[hard nexus]

twbs always

duelist is nice but twbs lets you avoid damage so much easier

[keen silo]

its in such a sad spot on the tree tbh

[hard nexus]

yah

twbs is especially necessary with slower weapons like thammer

[lyric rain]

im thinking this is worth 2300 melkbux, i have no boltgun or boltgun blessings to make a good one

[hard nexus]

not really

bolter is really weak

and without pinning fire its gonna feel even weaker

along with poor perks

[lyric rain]

unyielding carapace instead?

[hard nexus]

maniac is fine but i used to run cara on mine yah

[lyric rain]

pinning fire + ?

[hard nexus]

wha

oh

blessings

uhhh

i forgot what mine used to be hang on

surgical

surgical or shattering impact

it depends on what ability you're running

because the chastise degrades armor with ranged attacks

so shattering impact isnt needed

also the low collateral stat is a little rough

overall its an okay bolter

but

depends on how much melkbux u have

[keen silo]

i see a build on darktide community page where crucis runs piety
is that real

[lyric rain]

i have 10k sitting around

2 chars worth of weeklies unspent because melks disappointorium hasn't had anything good in that long

[north sedge]

terrible

[keen silo]

thats what i thought

so im guessing momentum is the way to go?

[lyric rain]

ive just been gambling curios because i've literally never seen +3 stam for my vet

[north sedge]

Some people do marty, i prefer momentum yea

[keen silo]

idk if i should try shroudfield

with crucis

[keen silo]

if you are free can u share your tree

[north sedge]

I prefer chastise

[keen silo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa42bc5-eaef-479b-94e1-e5f4cd389687/offensive-redeemer

is this good

oh wait

[keen silo]

another piety build

[keen silo]

isnt disdain good for thammer

[north sedge]

Can do holy rev instead of desperation

Eh

It's ok

[keen silo]

aight ty

but man how in the hell would i get backstab kills on crucis

i can barely dodge weave heavies

😭

[north sedge]

Learn to dodge swing!

[keen silo]

yea i do that

[north sedge]

It's not difficult especially when you knock stuff around

[keen silo]

oh right

i feel like thrust IV is needed for ohkos on mobs

i just thrash around way too many mobs

instead of killing em

i only got thrust 3

[north sedge]

Slaughterer/headtaker does most of the crowd work

[keen silo]

what can i develop on this?

[lyric rain]

I wish THammer felt closer to Crusher

I can't go back

[latent summit]

going from 1 wound left to max heal is like whiplash

[lyric rain]

I mean I know bigger bonks but... soooo slow and unpleasant to use

[north sedge]

Not much without making a new hammer

T4 thrust and ideal perks basically

[latent summit]

crucis 2 is bae. sure, like 90% of the time you fail to connect or some shit, but when it do it right

[keen silo]

yea

[north sedge]

Crusher and hammer are just different use cases

Just gotta learn to not miss

[latent summit]

most of the time it feels like no hit-reg 😩

[lyric rain]

yeah

i mean something with a name as based as THUNDER HAMMER should feel a lot fuckin better than it does

[north sedge]

🤔

[latent summit]

like i get it happens, but damn does it feel like it happen a lot when im settin up the super bonk

[lyric rain]

Crusher is fun AF, straight up baseball batting things around, bodies flying everywhere

[keen silo]

another thammer ruined

[lyric rain]

THammer feels like gramps trying to whip it out and falling over

[latent summit]

i've been having a lot of fun with the new heavy chainsword

left click spam on enemy --> me feel good

[north sedge]

Matter of preference, i like both but prefer hammer overall

[keen silo]

what blessings on thammer?

thrust and slaughterer/headtaker?

[north sedge]

Yes

[open echo]

gameslantern actually makes me angry

[north sedge]

Unyielding flak/elites/cara

[keen silo]

does elites cover everything?

[latent summit]

it really do feel like the thammer should do a lot more against crushers/carapace

[north sedge]

Alot of things, not all

It did until they got their health buffed

[keen silo]

ig unyielding and carapace for thammer

is the way to go

[ember yew]

best knife

gotta go fast

[olive raven]

unyielding flak is best

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[olive raven]

for hammer

[lone matrix]

do you recommend blazing piety or inexorable judgment

[olive raven]

For hammer?

Judgement

[lone matrix]

no generally

[olive raven]

Momentum.

Piety is good with crit things usually

[lone matrix]

heavy evicerator or heavy sword

[olive raven]

Knife, Taxe, Crusher, (or literally fucking anything)

momentum is less braindead to play as tho

[lone matrix]

i thought dagger is good with momentum cause how fast you move with that thing

and does someone on you know how evicerator special attack procs with stealth?

[visual stream]

"ratties to burn 👹"

[olive raven]

All keystones work for everything basically

Knife is great with momentum because it is a FINESSE weapon

[north sedge]

Chain weapons don't mix with stealth very well

[lone matrix]

thx for the info

and i like personaly the deny death skill

[magic onyx]

Which ranged weapon is good to pair with the knife in a shrouldfield build?

I've been using the cowboy revolver, but I feel it's not a optimal choice, specially when too much shit hits the fan

[north sedge]

Something with crowd clear

[latent summit]

i like deadeye revolver (since i suck with super-long range throwin knoives) or flamer.

[magic onyx]

Flamer is back in business?

Last time I've heard it was gutted

[north sedge]

Flamer was never out

No people are just dipshits

[hard nexus]

slaught instead of HT

but other than that

new hammer

[north sedge]

It got a slap on the wrist at best and when people see that something got tuned back even slightly they yell about it being garbage now

[hard nexus]

link the build please

that seems so funny

[magic onyx]

Seems like the general vermintide/darktide community lmao

[north sedge]

Just gamers in general

[magic onyx]

Yeah

What's the best blessings for the flamer?

[north sedge]

Blaze away

[magic onyx]

fan the flames + blaze away looks promising

[north sedge]

Eh, ftf only works on puff

If overpressure wasn't bugged it would be that for second blessing

Otherwise it's kinda whatever you end up with plus blaze

[dense field]

I like reload speed on empty

[north sedge]

Oh you also want 76+ burn and high cloud radius

Burn is the real dmg stat on flamer

[mystic ether]

You can be safe running the columnus. Revolver is fine honestly but depending on your difficulty, you'll need to probably push yourself harder with conserving a tad but of ammo and clapping stuff that matters more with the gun vt2 style in terms of usage.

[open echo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b158adb-1d06-42d7-8c0d-ffd1ba7f209e/carry-bolter

lmfao

[mystic ether]

And if you're running the throwing knives that helps too.

[open echo]

the name lmaooo

[ionic turret]

... maybe what they mean is be carried bolter build

+4 wounds on non-mart?

[dense field]

It's mid tbh. TH has no HT or slaughterer and the talents don't include sustained assault. So the damage is kinda ass. Scattershot flechette on the shotty is a meme. Piety with the TH is questionable. It's not outrageously bad but it kinda suffers from being a thematic funny build.

[open echo]

average dt player

[ionic turret]

I don't even understand the rest of what's going on

[mystic ether]

The iag and I wanna say graia are nice automatic alternatives. If you really want to swing it to a harder melee focus with some gunplay here and there, could scoop up an autopistol. But if you're not wanting to play with more risk lumped on, sticking to the automatic rifles and maybe a flamer

@magic onyx

[dense field]

this is so painful

[open echo]

iv'e seen worse in the Morningstar

[dense field]

The author should be procecuted

[open echo]

much

from lvl 100+ too

[dense field]

[open echo]

how do you get to that point and have no clue what your doing

[ionic turret]

that's pretty impressive really

[open echo]

i will never forgot the lvl 600 running perferct strike crit chance and crit dmg

[dense field]

Well I kinda get the idea

[open echo]

on a evisc

[ionic turret]

I mean, I guess if you are just a determined fuckup, eventually you will accumulate enough experience to be whatever

[dense field]

The bolter is the toughness generator

[ember yew]

people playing for so long now start to do perverted things

[blazing fossil]

wtf who takes chorus on thammer.....

[mystic ether]

It's not awful

[dense field]

with inspiring barrage, glory hunter, fortitude in fellowship, the voice of terra

[open echo]

yeah...

[mystic ether]

I just hate middle tree for zealot personally

[open echo]

ehhhh

i kinda want to go look at Morningstar gear now

ok bad idea

[mystic ether]

Glory hunter/inspiring makes sense on paper to me actually but idk boltors so eh

[dense field]

at least he has one good perk

[mystic ether]

I think they're lunchboxes

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-resident-evil-dog-dog-zombie-resident-evil-movie-dog-zombie-dog-gif-20424448

the dogs

[mystic ether]

What other guns even make use of glory hunter besides plasma gun and boltor?

[dense field]

At least there is some thought behind that

[open echo]

nvm their memeing

[dense field]

doesn't mean it's a good thought

[sharp zodiac]

Peak talent distribution

[ionic turret]

WHAT

[ember yew]

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/mild-headache-headache-brain-aneurysm-memes-discord-gif-26492554

[latent summit]

what does he know that we don't

[ember yew]

and then people with builds like that

[open echo]

lmao

[ember yew]

join auric+ games

[sharp zodiac]

I mean at least he has survavilist

[ember yew]

so he qualify as an ammo bot

but if he dies

he's no longer produces ammo

[dense field]

It's like a bad portrayal of ADHD

[ember yew]

which makes his value zero

[mystic ether]

Eh, idk. Sometimes a build like that genuinely isn't terrible. Aside from its killing potential maybe being on the lower side, juicing yourself so suddenly with combat utility on defense isn't terrible.

I just...fucking hate chorus that much.

[sharp zodiac]

Like a machine

One purpose

[open echo]

lvl 98

fuck they ran away from me

D:

[dense field]

they know

[ember yew]

need to be complemented by 5% Crit aura bot, that also regen your toughness

[sharp zodiac]

Chase em

[mystic ether]

If it's working it's working. All I got to say.

But dumb shit on a build is dumb shit on a build.

I'm liking this vet build tho...

I can see the vision.

[open echo]

ok finally

[dense field]

Of course it's an ogryn

[ember yew]

damn that reload speed and sprint speed

[mystic ether]

This like a golden roll or somethin

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-is-da-wae-this-is-da-wae-this-is-the-way-da-wae-ugandan-knuckles-gif-25797533

[dense field]

because they have the ogrynomicon

[ionic turret]

You are right morningstar is very cool

[ember yew]

well thats just some poor guy

[open echo]

found them again

[ionic turret]

VERY. COOL

[sharp zodiac]

I wanna get on and check now buy my legs are killing mr

[open echo]

NOO

[ember yew]

why 15%

[mystic ether]

Wait but those talents on the vet tree not that bad at all.

[ember yew]

[open echo]

(this is a lvl 34)

WHYY

[jaunty lava]

How did you modify to a lv2 perk...?

[dense field]

I'M SUPPORTING

[open echo]

lvl 34

[dense field]

no plasteel

[ionic turret]

honestly this little show and tell today has made me realize why pubs are like they are

[ember yew]

facts

[open echo]

2nd person without until death, this time a lvl 80

[mystic ether]

You don't need it tbh

[ember yew]

IF YOU TAKE NO DAMAGE, YOU DONT NEED IT

[sharp zodiac]

EWWWW

[ember yew]

wait

i was too late

[mystic ether]

But it's great to have.

[open echo]

its very helpful

[ember yew]

[dense field]

Other classes don't have until death

[jaunty lava]

I GOT THE ONE.

[sharp zodiac]

I should have access to THEIR account

and make their builds RIGHT

[frank night]

where are your hacker skills

[ember yew]

now that's offensive

[sharp zodiac]

I left them like my sunglasses at work

[open echo]

ehhhhh

this is a 255

[ionic turret]

terrifying barrage on purg

[sharp zodiac]

That's crazyyyy

[open echo]

never really found it good

[frank night]

ur accidentally becoming a possessions free anarchist by either ppl forgetting to deliver them or u leaving them places

[mystic ether]

I don't play enough pysker.

[jaunty lava]

3 +1 WOUNDS CURIOS

[frank night]

[dense field]

crit is not terrible

[sharp zodiac]

I FORGET

[ionic turret]

terrifying barrage is never really good, but it's especially useless on purg

like, EXTRA useless

[visual stream]

Why are so many bursters silent until they're right fucking next to you 💀

[mystic ether]

Everything on this build on talents is fine.

[west schooner]

wtf is that exe ability modifier choice

[open echo]

why is it always the ogryns that have the most usable gear

[mystic ether]

It works.

[frank night]

i thought this was ur build and was about to bite ur nose off

[ember yew]

sound director failing to give sound priority

[ionic turret]

wants to blind his team on auric maels

[mystic ether]

So idk what that's about to be real

[west schooner]

i dont think the far left one is necessary

[sharp zodiac]

They have no brain other than when it comes to weapon choices

[west schooner]

altho ig dumdum teammates need them

[sharp zodiac]

They think very hard on those

[mystic ether]

If you want it you take it.

[jaunty lava]

Not mine lmao, idk anything about vet so i posted the whole thing instead of just the curios

[frank night]

ogryns have like 6 weapon choices in general

altho you will occasionally get crazy people who do stam block builds

[mystic ether]

The wounds are probably for the breakneck defense since they're focusing on marksman focus

[frank night]

and will claim to have carried

[mystic ether]

Like really hard.

[open echo]

i run this while playing with friends just to annoy them

[west schooner]

i like psyker stam block with kinetic deflection + deflector on force swords

as stupid as it is, it helped me survive 6 ragers simultaneously doing combos on me before

so it has its very rare moments

[ionic turret]

I play with this unironically

[frank night]

the block builds depend on if your team ends up being effectively down a person every time something that gives the block user a neuron activation happens

[ionic turret]

lmao

[open echo]

ogryn again

[ionic turret]

for meme crit

[mystic ether]

The only thing with the vet build is that they're missing out on grenade and cool down generation. But they're going to be pumping stuff in the face with their shooting so if they're not fucking up anything else on melee defense too much, they're fine.

[dense field]

because they have the ogrynomicon

[frank night]

I've seen shieldgryns completely pretty much stunlocked by one gunner

[open echo]

good point

[frank night]

because they are BlOcKiNg AlL tHe ShOts

[sharp zodiac]

Why would you willingly make those choices

[open echo]

no please

[mystic ether]

That's interesting on the the iag

If this game had a versus mode that'd be cool

[frank night]

this is just a sonic the hedgehog build

[open echo]

nice voidstrike tbh

[west schooner]

ima be honest i've been looking to do a build like this

[ionic turret]

I saw a psyker in an auric mael a week or so ago that had a surge staff with warp resist dumped at like 2% lmao

[jaunty lava]

Is this knife possible to save? That's the first one i ever made

[west schooner]

as sad as that dmg and warp resist is, its pretty pog

[ionic turret]

he was barely even in the game, dead basically the whole time

[mystic ether]

If you're not interested in setting yourself up for backstabbing you're fine. This is. Omoletely doable.

[west schooner]

u might as well rplace ruthless backstab with precog

[open echo]

doesn't the warp resist need to be over 79% for smth or am i losing it

[west schooner]

it depends on whether or not u want a spammy one or a painful one

[jaunty lava]

I'd change the ruthless because i'd rather have another blessing than this one for the meme oneshots

[mystic ether]

Taking ruthless backstab is alright if you're actually about setting up the stabs. I

Just be consistent with it and you'll be fine.

[west schooner]

lack of warp resist allows u to stack peril faster which benefits from warp rider on talent tree and also warp nexus on the staff blessing

[open echo]

ah

[mystic ether]

If you have riposte or prrecog those are safe choices.

[jaunty lava]

You still don't want crazy low warp resis, you'll get the 100% soon enough even with max res

[jaunty lava]

Alright thanks

[mystic ether]

If you wantntpnbe like everyone else while being safe, precognition for the swap

If you're running a more crit focused thing, riposte isn't bad at all, you'll just be in more situations where your dodge dps windows are going to be a little more narrow

[open echo]

guh

[mystic ether]

But if you're going say, chastise the wicked instead of shroudfield, you'll have an easy time racking up crits bleeds and horde clear.

[jaunty lava]

I'm tired of psyker and i just want to run around with invis with a correct build. That's most of the idea. And while we're talking should i keep a revo or a flamer?

[mystic ether]

Up to you

[sharp zodiac]

Bruh

[mystic ether]

Revolvers are great for builds wanting to use more mobility. The ownus will be on you and others to compensate for the hit you'll be taking to horde clear.

[open echo]

LMFAO

[ember yew]

where 10% Ordos Dockets

filthy peasant

[mystic ether]

I have zero thoughts on flamers

[jaunty lava]

He really wants to get another curio to replace it

[mystic ether]

They look like they work from what I've seen in pubs. Idk them though

If you want to do something a little different but honestly not too bad, a crucis 2 thammer with shroudfield is very fun. Very effective if you can get your hands on thrust and I think uh...

Can't remember the other one.

Power on hit or something?

[jaunty lava]

headtaker and smt else yeah

[sharp zodiac]

Oh god

[open echo]

just waiting until i see a trauma staff with surge again

[mystic ether]

Mhm. But yeah crucis shroudfiel is great. And because you're taking stuff like momentum for the build I'm thinking of, your mobility and horde clear and threat elimination is solid.

[north sedge]

Headtaker / slaughterer

[jaunty lava]

thammer is the other weapon i like, maybe i'll rebuild it later when i've farmed some resources

[mystic ether]

You'll just need to get used to the hammer swings

[sharp zodiac]

That's the worst one so far

[jaunty lava]

I just need to find thrust, i already have the weapon ready

[mystic ether]

Since that's always an easy failing point for people running it on higher levels. They just don't get how to manage space.

[west schooner]

surge is kinda bad on trauma

it doesnt double slam when u crit

[open echo]

lmao

[open echo]

ik

[west schooner]

alright, as long as uk

[open echo]

not the crit dmg

nooooooo

[west schooner]

i wish my blazing illisi was this one

[mystic ether]

That's fine. I've had good results on my shroudfield build
Not auric ready on that zealot hut I'm not struggling at all in damnation/malestrom

[sharp zodiac]

Wait I saw that psyker

[west schooner]

instead of unarmored + infested dmg

[open echo]

hur

[sharp zodiac]

Same outfit and everything

[open echo]

remember the name?

[sharp zodiac]

Uhhh, no

[open echo]

ah fair

[sharp zodiac]

I didn't really pay attention to the name I was more focused on their stufg

[open echo]

just found a zealot called "amazonfirestick"

average dt name

[mystic ether]

Better than some of the names I've gotten.

I really do hate nerds and gamers.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty lava]

That's my knife revo build so far, what should i add? 3 points left

[mystic ether]

I miss stupid shit like gnomezone3614 or some shit like that.

Better than some of the names I've ran into in pubs.

But that's what griefing is for.

[open echo]

iv'e seen so many nsfw names latley

[mystic ether]

Backstab cooldown reduction is solid

[open echo]

only really ogryns

[north sedge]

Nothing will ever match the peak of seeing a guy in tf2 over a decade ago named "fucking dinosaurs, shitbucket!!!"

It's strange doing knife and not going for crit

Scourge specifically

[mystic ether]

Oh yeah.

Plenty of ogryn players that for some reason really like using racist whistle names. Not sure why but whatever

[hard nexus]

wow

[mystic ether]

Backstab cooldown and maybe some points for scourge if you want it.

[hard nexus]

that is impressively shit

[jaunty lava]

I don't have a bleed knife so should i go for crits? If you tell me it's worth it i'll try

[blazing fossil]

Grouped up with a Knotsee and a Jewlius a few weeks ago, hard to forget those names

[hard nexus]

no crits?

knife crit builds are very good

[mystic ether]

I just set up griefs for people like that. I'll clutch and ignore them for the rest kd the game. Literally.

I'll just kill them and run by them.

Or leave the game after sabotaging the run

[blazing fossil]

They played how you think they would, terribly lol

[mystic ether]

Yep

They're always shit.

It's amazing

And if they're not shit, they're copying pasting bis safe builds so its not like they're ever having to do anything.

And even then. They're shjt.

[blazing fossil]

Some of the Ogyrn ones can be good, like Joe Roegyrn

[jaunty lava]

Most ogryns are either really nice or roleplaying from what i've seen. Maybe i'm just lucky

[mystic ether]

I'm just lazily wary or anyone with some edge name on the internet. Until they hang their ass out explicitly I just assume they're on some shit.

I prefer to be proven wrong. I really do.

Playing dark and darker and you got dudes named Knee*** and eugenics and shit.

[prisma sigil]

I always go for RP names

[jaunty lava]

So should i go full crit with the knife instead of momentum? Blzing piety, scourge and all that?

[mystic ether]

Got called slurs a few times by some guy and I literally played with them so I could team kill them myself during s fight and make it look like an accident

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty lava]

Oops i hit the barrel again

[hard nexus]

i can send you my build

knife can work fine without crit builds

but imo its best with crits

[spare dome]

Momentum has an unstated bonus to dodges which makes you pretty much untouchable with the knife.

[mystic ether]

There's a buuld on gameslantern that's actually pretty good for the talents. Check out uh

Hold on.

[jaunty lava]

As i said, i've played psyker for the last week and did all the penance, now i'm sick of it and i want to go to the opposite, running zealot

[hard nexus]

@jaunty lava

[mystic ether]

I'd say crit knife is easier to learn k if through.

[jaunty lava]

What's your gun on that build?

[mystic ether]

But you don't have I vest hard into crit with your weapons much to get it to pop off.

[hard nexus]

knife revolver

hordes suck

[frozen ibex]

Remember your bleed blessing.

[hard nexus]

zarona revolver*

[mystic ether]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a92a33b-1bcb-484b-891e-be9b4d0bfa06/auric-maelstrom-death-cult-assassin-critbleedrenddodge-1v2-karnak-twins

This one isn't a slouch.

[jaunty lava]

revo with knives?

[hard nexus]

yah hordes suck

[mystic ether]

I changed a couple of things but it was really nice.

[hard nexus]

feel free to switch to a brauto or flamer

[frozen ibex]

Knife pairs very well with flamer.

[mystic ether]

What do people run on flamer?

[hard nexus]

honestly im just too lazy to get used to using something other than revolver rn

[mystic ether]

Or rather what's a safe strong blessing combo and why.

[frozen ibex]

Run whatever you want flamer is stronk.

[jaunty lava]

Alright, thank you both for everything, i'll try some things now

[mystic ether]

Fair enough

[hard nexus]

lacerate?

[mystic ether]

I ran mine with riposte and uncanny

[hard nexus]

yah

i have precog on mine

[frozen ibex]

Lacerate gud

[mystic ether]

Lacerated wasn't bad with it to be real

[frozen ibex]

I run either lacerare flesh tearer or lacerate uncanny.

[hard nexus]

its counter productive

[mystic ether]

I did change my gun though because I wanted to see how it'd feel with momentum and I needed something that punched through hordes a little better when I needed to close the distance

[hard nexus]

lacerate procs on non weakspot, uncanny procs on weakspot

[indigo quartz]

no sustained assault???

[mystic ether]

That's fine though on things like backstabs.

[frozen ibex]

Bodyshot for smol dudes. Headshot for big dudes.

[hard nexus]

along with knife dealing so much more damage on weakspots

[hard nexus]

why not headshot all the time

[mystic ether]

Which one is that again?

[frozen ibex]

Because it doesn't proc lacerate.

[indigo quartz]

4% melee damage per melee hit, up to 20% at 5 stacks

leads to momentum

[hard nexus]

cant tell if trolling

guh....

[open echo]

crit dmg

[frozen ibex]

I am not.