Nah
#zealot-class
frozen glen
we kinda already have that
royal vortex
i logged on to test something about the crusher and i completely forgot what it was
kms
still quartz
And the non-Prem rewards are shit and useless
fading vale
cat in this anime kinda gives Steve vibes
coarse birch
everytime i check someones loadout in the mourningstar i continue to lose faith in humanity
frozen glen
i wish my cat woke me up like that
mine just licks and slaps my face until she gets her food
fiery ingot
wait this is a more accurate Steve representation
i once woke up in the middle of the night with my cat sitting at me like that and there was a fucking huge shit on my blanket
i never let my cat get in my room when im sleeping after that
coarse birch
wym he left you a gift
ripe quest
I came into Darktide as a Ranger Vet main and came out a Handmaiden main
I actually got pipelined it's insane
royal vortex
click crusher guide video
has unarmored on it
marty build without until death
fiery ingot
>click crusher guide video
>has unarmored on it
>marty build without until death
did you see chocob latest update?
royal vortex
no
royal vortex
chocob runs bad builds
ripe quest
He just runs whatever he's feeling
fiery ingot
i wouldnt say that
royal vortex
stuff like 3/4 awful slots on revolvers even though at minimum with crafting u can have 2/4
fiery ingot
id say he runs chocob builds
sinful widget
so who has the zased builds then?
royal vortex
i can with 100% say with confidence u probs shouldnt look at chocob's stuff if u wanna just copy someone else's build
ripe quest
ehh he just sometimes runs offmeta builds. It's literally a he runs whatever he's feeling.
royal vortex
because u will end up with shit like a weakspot damage/reload speed/speedload revolver
fiery ingot
oh no, i just like watching him thats all
since vermintide i've been watching him and since then i already knew he goes a little too far with the off meta stuff
native cargo
I just swing weapon
fiery ingot
i actually started playing darktide because of his videos
native cargo
simple as
ornate bone
Would it have fallen if you weren't there to hear it?
ripe quest
so who has the zased builds then?
I've heard good things about telopots. Haven't checked though, not super sure.
royal vortex
telopots is p good
fiery ingot
telo runs anything
frozen glen
me i have the best build
royal vortex
but likewise he just runs whatever
native cargo
I don't really look at youtubers for this game.
dusky chasm
which perks and blessings should I swap out on this?
royal vortex
i agree with his builds more generally and i think generally he's less prone to just having the Bad™️ choices like weakspot damage or reload speed perks
frozen glen
weak spot and perf strike to maniac and headtaker
fiery ingot
oh i think chocob is also using a revolver with crit dmg on that same crusher build
let me check
spare dome
heaby sowrd
fiery ingot
oh i think chocob is also using a revolver with crit dmg on that same crusher bu...
nvm it was weakspot dmg on a dclaw video
ornate bone
Infinite mass
spare dome
kinda agree
gray ice
meh im fine with it not having crit and getting it from other sources
sinful widget
what about this tanner lindberg guy?
ripe quest
yooo double bleed knife in my lobby
sinful widget
he sounds like he doesnt have a dad
ripe quest
lessssgooooooo
royal vortex
zealot would be cooler if u had more spread out sources of crit chance
gray ice
It's more than good enough with raw dmg and throughput it gets, you can then use tree to get crit and really juice it
royal vortex
it is what annoys me most
gray ice
instead of one you get both
north sedge
yooo double bleed knife in my lobby
spare dome
isnt it wild that zealot has no +5% crit node
gray ice
not really cuz we get 60% off just two of em 
royal vortex
they should change the suppression travel node to that
north sedge
They should add more suppression nodes i say
spare dome
make all the grey nodes movement speed
royal vortex
scourge should be nerfed into the fkin ground numbers wise and then change the condition so that lacerate doesn't help it
spare dome
that is my decree
north sedge
Chastise now gives suppression instead of dmg buffs
Shroud? Suppression
Chorus now makes you suppressed
sharp zodiac
What if no ability
fiery ingot
martyrdom grants you supression instead of damaj
ornate bone
I don't like it when you have a choice but there's shit that's clearly better
Scourge gives you 30% crit for 2 points
It's at the top of the tree
spare dome
anoint in blood is the sexiest one point investment
royal vortex
they should steal the condition from delight in destruction and use it for scourge
ornate bone
No bullshit, just spend the 2 points and they're 2 points independent of build
royal vortex
5% crit chance per bleeding enemy in melee range stacks 3-4 times
ornate bone
Sounds a bit horde-oriented
royal vortex
it's not considering the enemy density
ornate bone
I do like scourge's ease of use against bosses and ogryns and other hard shit
sharp zodiac
Welp, ig I can decide the fate of this one weapon I've been putting off
light holly
Infinite mass
doesn't it max out
royal vortex
there's legit just like 2 nodes in the zealot tree that give u extra crit chance
light holly
I swear
royal vortex
and i feel like
gray ice
there's legit just like 2 nodes in the zealot tree that give u extra crit chance
and they're both bananas
royal vortex
with all the different flavors of "here is finesse stuff"
the class should be a lil more involved with the finesse stuff
like blazing piety should probs just be 20 baseline and then u rework how the upgrades work
gray ice
I can at least give that scourge doesn't always reliably stack with harder hitting weapons. Piety might as well be a grey node that gives 25 crit
light holly
there's legit just like 2 nodes in the zealot tree that give u extra crit chance
well the bleed on crit stuff is
Cray
fiery ingot
can someone help me make a loadout for chain axe?
light holly
or err, crit on bleed
fiery ingot
either marty or momentum
royal vortex
i dont like piety because i can play vet and just pick up like a handful of talents and have the same crit chance and a keystone on top of that
fiery ingot
im not used to chaxe so idk what are the most benefitial talents for it
royal vortex
which feels annoying
gray ice
I mean you can get the same amount of crit but vet doesn't get the sheer mileage that zealot does out of the same crit
which is technically a different problem
royal vortex
granted vet has been overbuffed to shit cuz ppl were whining they had to make decisions in the talent tree and fatshark didn't just delete some of the shitty/overpowered nodes
light holly
Well yeah it's why you can get infinite chastise cooldown
royal vortex
no i mean vet gets more out of it consistently it's just a lil build dependent
light holly
granted vet has been overbuffed to shit cuz ppl were whining they had to make de...
???
The keystones were so tight
minor sage
I mean you can get the same amount of crit but vet doesn't get the sheer mileage...
Vet has decent crit nodes
placid fiber
i dont like piety because i can play vet and just pick up like a handful of tale...
but you can't spam chastise the horde with Vet
light holly
You know how zealots get their keystone and have like 5-7 extra talents?
royal vortex
damage wise at least
minor sage
They have 30% weakspot, deadshot, desperado, crit on dodge, etc
light holly
Vets got like 3
royal vortex
You know how zealots get their keystone and have like 5-7 extra talents?
vet can pick up a comical amount of the super good nodes with little to no actual cost now
minor sage
Lol no
light holly
I mean
royal vortex
the talent tree needed to actually have stuff removed
minor sage
Vets have a decent amount now
light holly
because we had no choice before
minor sage
After they fixed it
royal vortex
instead of what they did
light holly
People weren't taking keystones because of how tight the talent points were
minor sage
Ye they basically made it free
royal vortex
no a lot of ppl had a legitimate "principled" stance against keystones because they didnt like them
there was a lot of brainrot
light holly
Yes Dis, I'm saying Before
The rework
Vets had like 3 remaining
Now we actually have extra's
minor sage
Oh yeah ppl also had branrot
light holly
there was a lot of brainrot
people still do
royal vortex
the vet talent tree is far too permissive of stuff like grabbing all 3 of the ult damage nodes
light holly
But by no means is Vet OP
royal vortex
which is just stupid
sharp zodiac
Down into the trash with thee
light holly
Are we gonna ignore the free Chastise on crit
To get 2-5 free activations on a horde
royal vortex
whatabouting some of zealot's dumbest abilities doesn't actually change how strong vet is
royal vortex
yea it is, and it shouldn't be in the game
light holly
You literally noted Agile Engagement
royal vortex
no i didn't
light holly
that shit is like
royal vortex
that was someone else
royal vortex
i said nothing about that talent
sharp zodiac
Not sure why I did this, I don't even play zel anymore
But at least I get to extract that blessing
light holly
And somehow...
Zealots need to build fewer perks to get some BP's that vet has to meet...
🥹
This isn't a 1:1 comparison
Zealots have strengths
placid fiber
vet gets baseline higher melee damage than zealot too
Okay, but, hear me out... Zealots has 2 things vet doesn't have: an easier time making a more solid build and, because of that, usually way more survivability >.>
royal vortex
i didn't say it was a 1:1 comparison, my point was and is that vets tree is super permissive of just taking all of the good shit you want
and that the way they handled making builds require less points to get to the bottom was stupid
light holly
Yes, because we didn't have a choice before
Zealots, Psykers, and Ogrynns had enough talents prior
echo stag
vet is nice
royal vortex
? you could always take a keystone
placid fiber
I will say Vet has a really weird tree compared to zealot, imo
echo stag
zeelot is nicer
light holly
? you could always take a keystone
Yes, but at a massive cost
royal vortex
no i mean in a literal sense there's always more nodes than you have points to take
light holly
It's why we're even having this conversation in the first place
placid fiber
Still now that I have my psyker stamina regen Vet build... I feel way better playing my Vet
light holly
Because the devs and vets agreed that it was too tight
royal vortex
the way they handled it powercrept the class and allowed for stupid shit
light holly
There are many nodes, because we have that choice
Powercrept...
I mean I think Zeaot is on-par with vet
Not that I did any testing
They shine in different ways
royal vortex
any well built class has too much power baseline, which is why u have the comical spawn rates of enemies now
placid fiber
Hey, Josho, look at the bottom of my Vet tree. This is with shout, ammo aura, and shredder nades(middle starting path).
royal vortex
yea u almost or do reach the keystone on each bottom branch
placid fiber
I got the keystone on the right
It's split into 2 builds: No Plasma Gun(that build) or plasma gun(I take the ogryn/monster damage then)
royal vortex
like u get to grab precision strikes and desperado n shit
open bramble
any well built class has too much power baseline, which is why u have the comica...
Yeah, ever class def. feels way too strong atm.
And the clown car spawn rates are a shitty solution
"here fight 30 ragers, asshole"
royal vortex
Yeah, ever class def. feels way too strong atm.
And the clown car spawn rates ar...
theyve implemented a lot of items that literally do not care about this method of balancing too
open bramble
ogryn doesn't give a rat's ass about how many elites/whatever you spawn on it
royal vortex
frag nades, perilous combustion, immo nades, flamethrower, etc are all shit that literally just get better the more enemies you put on the screen
open bramble
Yah
light holly
any well built class has too much power baseline, which is why u have the comica...
I mean we have a comical amount because FS doens't know how to tone the AI director down
But if we're speaking of Auric then uh
I guess that was normal
open bramble
I remember you mentioning this way back, but the cooldown reduction abilities that key off of kills are a huge issue as well
light holly
And increased health of most specials
royal vortex
the problem is like
they powercrept the game super hard with the talent tree and didn't have it shipped when the game came out
south folio
eh, i believe that they're afraid to piss off the playerbase
light holly
I remember you mentioning this way back, but the cooldown reduction abilities th...
yeah, that's a problem with VOC
royal vortex
so now u have to reconcile the original vision vs the current reality
light holly
If we're speaking on Vet talents
open bramble
"oh, you spawned a million elites/specials? well, i get to use my ultimate 40000 times in a row now"
royal vortex
I remember you mentioning this way back, but the cooldown reduction abilities th...
oh yeah absolutely. enemy density/survivability is a good way to balance, until you throw in shit like
light holly
so now u have to reconcile the original vision vs the current reality
I mean the original game didn't even have an end game
Let alone actually having some depth
royal vortex
south folio
stuff like increased spawn rates is less immediately quantifiable compared to hp/damage buffs to counterbalance our stupid power levels
royal vortex
and i just ult back to back to back
light holly
frag nades, perilous combustion, immo nades, flamethrower, etc are all shit that...
which is fine, I'll say
Me as I run back and reply what ya say
yes, the weapons that focus on AOE are better when there's more targets to AOE
That's intuitive
light holly
Auric damnation just feels like wave management the game
royal vortex
which is what has happened in large part
light holly
Which is fine, it's hectic
royal vortex
field improv means bringing a vet allows u to have an "i win this situation regardless of what happens" so long as ppl bring the correct blitz type
royal vortex
perilous combustion letting u literally go down and still kill 10+ elites (as showcased in one crab video)
uh no it's not
ripe quest
If me with Flamer can vaporise a theoretically infinite number of Elites infront of me with a single ult, Fatshark can't balance the game by increasing the number of elites without it just shitting on everyone except the Flamer people
royal vortex
it regenerates grenades with an ammo crate
royal vortex
if u have an ogryn or immo nade zealot u can just carpet bomb an area
open bramble
I guess another problem is that they prob. don't need to really think about auric or tweaking the difficulty that much, because I think the game is actually pretty difficult for most of the player base
light holly
I mean Vets already did regenerate grenades
The original game had that too
We have 2 ways to do so
field improv aside
royal vortex
I guess another problem is that they prob. don't need to really think about auri...
ive heard some anecdotes that kinda confirm this? like the game isn't designed with maelstrom etc in mind
it's kind of an afterthought
light holly
I guess another problem is that they prob. don't need to really think about auri...
Well they balance per difficulty level
light holly
They do adjust difficulty on lower end content and higher end content
coarse birch
I guess another problem is that they prob. don't need to really think about auri...
yeah idk if most people even play damn
at least post patch 13
light holly
For Auric Mael being an after-thought, I mean it's not that far-fetched
royal vortex
I mean Vets already did regenerate grenades
before p13 bleed was awful and the nade regen was more for zealots to throw stuns whenever they wanted
it wasn't really an issue until now
light holly
yeah idk if most people even play damn
that's just the rule of averages in these games
native cargo
I play damnation cus they send a lot of stuff at me to sniff at
light holly
The harder you go
The less people you'll meet
the average player isn't playing Damnation
They're probably playing 3's or 4s
south folio
I mean Vets already did regenerate grenades
albeit not in the bursty, reliable way that field improv does as long as you have an ammo crate
light holly
albeit not in the bursty, reliable way that field improv does as long as you hav...
I mean you sstill ahve to like
Sit there
To commit to throwing out every greande you get from the box
ripe quest
like 6 back to back krak grenades go brrrrr
south folio
in a hectic situation, the threats are likely coming to you
light holly
Which isn't reasonable
royal vortex
ripe quest
so funy
royal vortex
like if u watch this
light holly
Move on
ripe quest
5 nuclear bombs
royal vortex
there's a million elites on my screen
light holly
Yeah that's funny
royal vortex
which still doesn't actually stop me
south folio
yeah, but you get to survive a situation like a bunch of elites/specials
royal vortex
from doing the thing
south folio
you get to deal with the insane peaks that the game can have
like boss + special + elite + horde spawns
royal vortex
yea that's the problem is that stuff that scales with density to an effectively infinite degree
light holly
I mean
royal vortex
removes density as a tool to challenge the player
ripe quest
yes, that's great teamwork
Potentially 5 nuclear bombs within a matter of seconds
royal vortex
that's not the point
light holly
Or an ogryn with nukes
south folio
clearly there are no other talents that scale with density
light holly
It doesn't remove density
You used that ammo crate near the begining of that level
It was a cost
coarse birch
clearly there are no other talents that scale with density
clearly
light holly
associated to your action
ripe quest
The damage potential of bomba is like orders of magnitude beyond pre-patch 13 it's nuts
royal vortex
It doesn't remove density
removes density as a tool to challenge the player
is what i said
because
light holly
In one situation...
royal vortex
there's shit like
coarse birch
surely perilous combustion does not kill the elites for me
light holly
When you used a resource...
royal vortex
as a perilous combustion wildfire psyker
native cargo
# Potentially 5 nuclear bombs within a matter of seconds
When is the vet talent where they bring pringles to work and they act like pills do in l4d
eat pringles
get hp
slowly depletes
royal vortex
you can stab like 6 guys with a ds in an elite swarm
and you can go down
and continue to kill elites
there's a tinyangrycrab video somewhere of him doing just that
royal vortex
and that's completely for free. it's a 2 point splash with 2 of the strongest psyker talents
light holly
It doesn't make sense that a DOT you put on an enemy works
When you fell down?
Sorry, I'm being
coarse birch
it can be toned down
light holly
Goofy
royal vortex
this is an absolutely awful defense of the talent
because you're missing the point, again
light holly
I certainly wouldn't want to balance this game
royal vortex
in that situation, it costs you literally nothing
native cargo
Been drinking some baja blast and gotta say its pretty neat
royal vortex
and you can handle the elite patrol through a 2 point dip on its own
going "yeah that's what it says on the can" doesn't make the contents of said can any more acceptable
coarse birch
its also another talent that gives you insane reward for literally just playing the game
ripe quest
I think they need to be a bit more creative than just number tweaks to get this game out of the pit it's in
coarse birch
I think they need to be a bit more creative than just number tweaks to get this ...
for sure
south folio
yeah, like Assail's Quick Shards
coarse birch
they cant even just give us more enemies
royal vortex
i think a lot of the problems come down specifically to numbers
south folio
it's just a straight up 30% speedup in shard regen
south folio
why couldn't they have made it like "on weakspot hit, regen shards 30% faster for 1 second"
royal vortex
but there's also stuff like the game defaulting a bit too much to "just shoot the fucking guy" any time there's something bigger than a bruiser on the screen
coarse birch
why couldn't they have made it like "on weakspot hit, regen shards 30% faster fo...
im assuming you mean with not assail
light holly
I just don't think it's all in that of a pit,
The i ssue also is FS playing a nuclear arms race with players like us, on the top end of the game
Where we will find the combinations
however, sure I'll agree that a 2 point talent commitment to gain alot of value or even a 1 point commitment to being able to gather 5 nukes does need to be sorted
south folio
im assuming you mean with not assail
oh yeah that too lamayo
light holly
Because it is making the game harder to balance
ripe quest
We are the balance
This but unironically
playtest this shit
get that going
I hope it's going rn
royal vortex
crab had a good suggestion for reworking the ammo economy that i think would make the game more interesting
where ranged elites/maybe enemies drop ammo
native cargo
Apparently they do but if you ever talk to Incan FS has a tendency to not listen to playtesters.
royal vortex
i think he said elites in general actually
royal vortex
and so u get a system where u can go ammo neutral engaging in gunfights with ranged guys
light holly
Not guranteeing ammo
native cargo
I'm still wondering how the vets have so much time picking up bullets off the ground
light holly
That does however
coarse birch
that would be good
native cargo
I don't even see em do it
royal vortex
and then the idea was that shooting melee enemies is ammo negative
light holly
Like Marksmens focus has no synergy with melee
coarse birch
although could be really strong with shit like assail and ogryn melee existing
native cargo
I think survivalist vet is actually
royal vortex
so ig melee elites wouldnt drop ammo
coarse birch
in there current form
south folio
well, it'd balance out in the end, right?
fiery ingot
Making some elites drop ammo
but then comes the problem: dumb heads or solo players like chocob stealing everything and not leaving anything for the team
light holly
And Marksmens focus isn't even the best keystone vet has
south folio
kill survivalist and have innate ammo drops from elites
royal vortex
i think it would be really cool to add a more distinctive decision making
to whether or not u shoot stuff
light holly
but then comes the problem: dumb heads or solo players like chocob stealing ever...
Solo players, like chocob being the problem?
They're solo
royal vortex
That does however
crab himself has suggested each vet keystone having its own way of regenning ammo for the vet
which i agree with
fiery ingot
had some auric runs where the only ammo i got in the whole run was from a vet because there was this loner zealot running ahead eating everything
south folio
Like Marksmens focus has no synergy with melee
melee is still good on its own though
light holly
had some auric runs where the only ammo i got in the whole run was from a vet be...
that's not a chocob problem, that's just knife zealot things
And teamwork
fiery ingot
Solo players, like chocob being the problem?
players who play as if they were playing solo
but they're not
fiery ingot
have you watched chocob stream
minor sage
crab himself has suggested each vet keystone having its own way of regenning amm...
Headshot kills, elite/special kills, melee kills respectively?
light holly
but they're not watching Chocob
native cargo
fiery ingot
he always eats everything
native cargo
new enemy leak?
still quartz
but then comes the problem: dumb heads or solo players like chocob stealing ever...
I don't think ChocoB plays like that 
royal vortex
Headshot kills, elite/special kills, melee kills respectively?
i think he wanted the middle keystone to be allies killing specials/elites
iirc
fiery ingot
he does
royal vortex
and for melee kills it was killing elites with melee
still quartz
Like sure they play solo but Choco knows how to teamplay too
light holly
You can Watch Chocob play with other people and he shares
native cargo
I don't think ChocoB plays like that <:MonikaS:474741754298368000>
but do you
still quartz
Hell nah
light holly
Again
still quartz
If anything I let everyone else take the stuff I need first
light holly
If you want Knife zealots not to run off, remove Loner
south folio
they will continue to run off
royal vortex
knife zealots ran off before p13, loner plays no part in it
light holly
Make the AI director spawn extra disablers just for them
south folio
they have run off before patch 13
still quartz
I only hog Heal Stimms and that's just because I can't trustthem with using it xd
native cargo
The only thing I hog tbh is grenades when I have 1 nade left anyways because I love immo nade and I've seen too many randoms not use their nades when it coulda saved em
light holly
knife zealots ran off before p13, loner plays no part in it
It enforce that mentality
coarse birch
ngl getting to keep your insignificant benefit of being in coherency will not stop them
royal vortex
it doesn't enforce anything because that already happened
light holly
me as I throw suggestions to the wall
light holly
it doesn't enforce anything because that already happened
Again it's a suggestion
still quartz
Make the AI director spawn extra disablers just for them
If Contrazoid was here he'd rail you for saying that shit
native cargo
I only hog Heal Stimms and that's just because I can't trustthem with using it x...
I'm the rare speciemn that will heal someone with a stim if they got one wound left
light holly
If the complaint is people running off, make it so it's much harder to run off
still quartz
Mans speedruns and complains about other people not being able to keep up with him
xd
light holly
If Contrazoid was here he'd rail you for saying that shit
My maann
south folio
Again it's a suggestion
we agree with removing loner, but we disagree with your reasoning
light holly
That's a problem
royal vortex
i actually like loner
south folio
wtf
royal vortex
- because redditors get mad
light holly
Woah
still quartz
You tell that to him
light holly
Woah woah
native cargo
oh damn finally hit 343k kills
light holly
We were talking about having Zealots not run off alone to grab ammo
royal vortex
coherency rn is very monodimensional
native cargo
guess I should apply to the company 343
coarse birch
it does interact with coherency coherency just does really do enough
light holly
The whole Loner Zealot meme stabbing 5 pox walkers playing like an anime fight
frozen glen
coherency is for losers who need teammates to carry them
royal vortex
it's a bad attempt, in part because coherency as a mechanic is bad
frozen glen
looooooooooool
ripe quest
I'd like Loner if it were a talent and not a coherency aura. It's got some interesting ideas behind it but it just like, isn't a coherency aura.
still quartz
I mean Plasteel yoinking is also a thing, they'll also run off for that
native cargo
tbh I think players get punished enough as is. The typical player that runs off gets pounced, overwhelmed, or trapp'd eventually
some of them even get repeated mutant charged
light holly
Sometimes that single player running off will make it so the team also suffers
Because now you're down 3
Or well
to 3
royal vortex
i've met like a handful of speedrunners
one just died
the other pulled a boss and an elite patrol trying to level his level 27 psyker buddy, died, and me and mankar just left them dead until the sycorax end event cuz we couldnt trust him not to be stupid
ripe quest
Make Loner a Martyrdom addon and make it give coherency for players that are downed.
still quartz
the other pulled a boss and an elite patrol trying to level his level 27 psyker ...
Literally my mentality
ripe quest
royal vortex
and the rest start running ahead, get dogged once, and immediately dc before they can do something funny
native cargo
I sometimes go into my own headspace and zone out killing hordes and elites. If someone actually tells me to move it then I'll do it cus I am just in the zone lmao
I am murdering
fiery ingot
which are mostly loners
south folio
i met this stealth vet that was running ahead, aggroing enemies, and stealthing, resulting in the other 3 of us getting the aggro
native cargo
the
still quartz
If you can't pull your weight or I deem that I can't trust you to be worth keeping alive, I'll just not risk it
native cargo
zone
still quartz
Usually there's one competent teammate in randoms
native cargo
Otherwise I'm usually just a room away or down the hallway
still quartz
Sometimes you're the crutch and then you go down because unfortunate event and no one saves you and they all die
native cargo
beating up some poor gunner with the least optiminal combo
royal vortex
ripe quest
25% chance of a good teammate and a 50% chance that they're bleed knife
native cargo
Making that mfer flip over
royal vortex
we got to the end of the sycorax mid event
and he just piled shit on
before dying
comically
light holly
i do mind people who eat all the ammo
which... that is a player behaviour problem
There we go
I found the word
fiery ingot
which... that is a player behaviour problem
yeah but thats easier to replicate as loner
still quartz
i do mind people who eat all the ammo
Autogun Veterans and Zealots be like
light holly
I don't think it's possible to ever stop someone from just stealing a resource when they're off 1 bullet
still quartz
It would not
fiery ingot
thats why the survivalist being an ammo drop on elite death would be a serious issue\
still quartz
That's just player behavior
fiery ingot
Autogun Veterans and Zealots be like
bro braced vets are fucking cancer
light holly
yeah but thats easier to replicate as loner
yes, but you wouldn't punish all zealots for 1 zealot with loner stealing ammo
light holly
bro braced vets are fucking cancer
fiery ingot
mf pull the gun to clear horde
when i see a braced vet in auric lobby i instantly leave
flint sable
Not bad from a random drop
royal vortex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoGyvFNghLQ
i kinda miss when all the talent buff icons were a dark purple
south folio
thats why the survivalist being an ammo drop on elite death would be a serious i...
in my experience, it's rare to be unable to pick up any amount of ammo
light holly
I mean hell at least the Loner Zealot stays
south folio
maps are linear, but they're not that linear
light holly
And plays the game
south folio
there are always unexplored sidepaths to grab ammo from
ripe quest
when i see a braced vet in auric lobby i instantly leave
That's like a normal gun
still quartz
I go in Damnation pub
ripe quest
what
still quartz
I pull out my Knife build
native cargo
Autogun Veterans and Zealots be like
Me using kant and revolver only needing one round because I'm gonna shoot my foot
light holly
Honestly Braced Guns, and IAG's are one of the guns I'd be okay with seeing someone shoot into a horde
fiery ingot
that's
i disagree. from my experience, braced vets are always dumb and bad because they rely on their easy mode to play the game and dont learn a thing at all
still quartz
yeah cus you gotta knife
My brother in Skaven, I know how to knife
royal vortex
i had 1 guy tell me in this disc he recognized my zealot and he apologized for leaving a lobby cuz he saw i had knife
light holly
Easy mode?
native cargo
My brother in Skaven, I know how to knife
Yes but do they know?
light holly
Zealots take the braced agrinapinna too
still quartz
No :c
fiery ingot
is it not?
south folio
i had 1 guy tell me in this disc he recognized my zealot and he apologized for l...
good
still quartz
cries
native cargo
Do they know you know how to break it down yorkshire style
light holly
Braced guns aren't even that OP...
fiery ingot
i dont see braced zealot
native cargo
To london a bish
light holly
What the fuck
fiery ingot
but thats just a dumb
still quartz
Zealots take the braced agrinapinna too
Veterans have the talents to supplement Braced Autogun playstyle to make it op
light holly
???
still quartz
Zealots don't
south folio
next time we play i will fkin bring the knife again
you BItCH
light holly
What the fuck
light holly
I'm oh my god
flint sable
agripinaa is better for hordes as it's the only one with piercing round so you can hit 3-4 monsters per bullet
light holly
This is crazy talk
south folio
zealots do have anoint
ripe quest
i dont see braced zealot
It's a pretty common pick
still quartz
No it's not inherently toxic, it's just that the person playing it is most likely going to HOG ALL THE FUCKING AMMO
And not spare any for the team
light holly
I do see zealots talk about the Agrinapinna here
still quartz
Because they're too busy just gunning
south folio
the thing is, I'm skeptical that you're unable to pick up any ammo unless you're just not exploring side paths
light holly
This isn't because braced guns
ripe quest
It's like, my goto if I'm running a generalist weapon
still quartz
That is most present with people who use Autoguns
light holly
You could steal ammo as a flamer zealot
You could steal ammo as a lasgun Vet
It doesn't matter
If you're playing selfishly
flint sable
I run a agripinaa braced and a Thammer normally
light holly
That isn't a mark on the gun
native cargo
a few matches ago I got into a low int damn pub and saw the braced vet and just hanged around for the occasional bulwark or crusher because they legit mow down low int hordes
still quartz
I mean we're not even begging for a fix here at this point
native cargo
Its crazy lmao
still quartz
We're literally just venting frustrations
ripe quest
Brautos are generally a DPS check weapon that doubles for anti-shooter.
fiery ingot
It's a plyer behaviour issue
but you dont always play for the ideal because the ideal is rarely going to happen. i play expecting the worse. and the worse has happened a lot from my experience in this game
echo stag
Shooting into hordes
still quartz
End of the day, the game isn't even as bad as we exaggerate it xd
native cargo
I was in chat clapping saying "Get em! Fuck em up! YEAAAH BLLOOOOOOD!"
light holly
Shoot into hordes
echo stag
Smdh
native cargo
Flamer zealots don't shoot into hordes
royal vortex
royal vortex
i love the columnus brauto
light holly
but you dont always play for the ideal because the ideal is rarely going to happ...
I don't leave pre-game because I see 1 gun on 1 class
still quartz
but you dont always play for the ideal because the ideal is rarely going to happ...
See maybe if you stop focusing on it it wouldn't be so bad, ja
Perception bias
flint sable
With the zealot when you dodge you get -75% spread, -50% recoil braced rifles are disgusting
still quartz
For every game I've lost I've won 5+ runs and my team was decent enough to go through, not perfectly but they pull through nonetheless
light holly
Vets have literally a free ammo generating talent
native cargo
I base my experiences on what Kalhoun has said and done in this chat so I expect the best from every team
light holly
For the whole game
still quartz
It's a good GG at the end of the day
still quartz
I base my experiences on what Kalhoun has said and done in this chat so I expect...
I expect everyone to be running Meta, know how to take ZERO HP and Toughness Damage, and one-tap every single Special that barely spawns
Or else you're BAD
Am jk
Just don't be an idiot
Learn your dodge button
fiery ingot
i mean i get a lot of matches with people playing bad or bad builds, which i dont mind. hard games makes me learn more about this game. im always looking for improvement so this is a welcome change of pace. but braced mfers who shoots hordes and eats ammo just dont go in for me. thats my only exception
ripe quest
I base my experiences on what Kalhoun has said and done in this chat so I expect...
I base my experiences on my experiences and has said done in this chat so I best expect the team
light holly
i mean i get a lot of matches with people playing bad or bad builds, which i don...
I mean
light holly
That's just toxic
native cargo
I expect everyone to be running Meta, know how to take ZERO HP and Toughness Dam...
pants shid
light holly
Sorry
spare talon
idk whether to feel good about myself or feel bad for my team when i have nearly the highest stats in every catagory on an auric damnation
fiery ingot
well you see it the way you like to see
light holly
Not every vet with a braced auto gun is the same player
light holly
That steals ammo
still quartz
i mean i get a lot of matches with people playing bad or bad builds, which i don...
Sometimes I get into games where the Psykers steal all the glory and I'm just like "alright guess I'm playing tank defense"
light holly
It's just cringe what you're doing
light holly
do you have an actual point?
I said it?
fiery ingot
ok i shouldnt generalise but my experience is most players doing this so i just avoid at this point
lyric rain
I mean... it's not terrible
light holly
Didn't I?
native cargo
Well yes if you read up
light holly
That it's very toxic
still quartz
No we're just venting
native cargo
You will see
echo stag
No, you just whined.
royal vortex
I mean... it's not *terrible*
thats p great. swap SI to pinning fire
light holly
Based one your past negative experience
still quartz
Making a point in this chat goes nowhere anyways
fiery ingot
it would be toxic and cringe if i were yelling at them
light holly
I whined
fiery ingot
im not
echo stag
I also leave when I See someone with a meme build.
fiery ingot
not even calling their names out
echo stag
I did
light holly
I also leave when I See someone with a meme build.
Braced Autogun is a meme build?
still quartz
Most civilized Zealot chat rn
echo stag
This SMudge guy is sort of smooth brained.
light holly
Because people with braced auto guns were always the one to shoot into hordes and steal ammo
still quartz
@native cargo Idunno if I can record videos this weekend, got classwork to do
native cargo
OMG
ripe quest
No, you just whined.
native cargo
damn
still quartz
:c
flint sable
Here my immortal wave clear braced rifle on my zealot
still quartz
still quartz
Here my immortal wave clear braced rifle on my zealot
Bro why no Stripped Down
Smhhhhh
light holly
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth is all
still quartz
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth is all
Then stop tasting it
native cargo
Well maybe I can record
you don't gotta
fading vale
immortal aka 4 of the worst things you can run what
native cargo
just do what you want
ripe quest
Here my immortal wave clear braced rifle on my zealot
Oh that's a bit rough
flint sable
cause it's nice to be immortal against range and cc close range enemies
still quartz
you don't gotta
The thing is I do wanna
native cargo
then dooo
spare talon
saving this and trimming it down to this for future use
fiery ingot
i dont think there's a reason to be attacking or reacting so defensive over this tbh. like im not calling their names out, exposing or giving lessons because of their choice. its just my choice to also leave. what is so toxic about it lol?
still quartz
Outside responsibilities deny me
still quartz
i dont think there's a reason to be attacking or reacting so defensive over this...
See what I don't get is that it's not even adversely affecting them
Like I just play
Fuck it
fiery ingot
adn you're here calling me cringe and toxic like wth man
still quartz
I came here to play
Whoever's staying with me, they get the privilege of staying with me
light holly
I know it's just a very toxic way to play the game with a random amount of people, you're taking a random gun
And you're applying a sterotype to people who use it
still quartz
And sometimes it goes wrong
ripe quest
saving this and trimming it down to this for future use
A hero 
echo stag
See what I don't get is that it's not even adversely affecting *them*
it's actually hilarious how someone else, doing something that will never effect them 'leaves a bad taste in their mouth'
like jesus chrust, cry more please.
fiery ingot
yeah i had a lot of bad experiences with this type of build so what?
spare talon
A hero <:prayge:1071821441441464371>
brandon turner the goat
fiery ingot
yeah it does
native cargo
Pretty lovely meme exhil I shall treasure it
fiery ingot
for both parts
light holly
No
fiery ingot
but thats just life lol
fiery ingot
not everything will go as we want
light holly
It's just frusterating having this conversation
native cargo
This convo
fading vale
I just show up and all I see is someone malding for no reason and being a baby about seemingly nothing
still quartz
I can't convince someone to love rats because they only ever saw the giant ones in New York, why fucking bother then
still quartz
It's just frusterating having this conversation
Then stop???
Like dude
This is the internet
Fucking welcome
native cargo
Is literally what bacteria argue about please be more intelligent
still quartz
On top of it being Zealot chat
native cargo
in this channel
echo stag
you control your experiance. If you don't want to play with a loner zealot, don't.
lol
fiery ingot
I just show up and all I see is someone malding for no reason and being a baby a...
almost literally
light holly
you control your experiance. If you don't want to play with a loner zealot, don'...
Who said that?
native cargo
to the horned rat
light holly
ripe quest
I just show up and all I see is someone malding for no reason and being a baby a...
I leave when I see brauto vets
That's toxic
don't care lmao
still quartz
to the horned rat
Excuse me our Great Horned Rat does not like that
fiery ingot
I mean I guess I'm the bad guy
idk you're just overreacting defensively over something that doesnt affect you at all
hard nexus
>I leave when I see brauto vets
>That's toxic
>don't care lmao
whats happening
explain
ripe quest
I mean I guess I'm the bad guy
Sometimes people are goofy.
flint sable
sadly because peoples love meta's often guns wont be ammo effective but just over big damage wven if it cost way more ammo then other peoples complain about it
native cargo
I have witnessed single cell life forms be more productive than this convo. I have witnessed the heat death of the universe and that is more preferable than this convo
I have dreamed
still quartz
sadly because peoples love meta's often guns wont be ammo effective but just ove...
Remember Bolter meta
I remember
ripe quest
whats happening
I'm not kidding when I say that basically sums up the entire thing.
native cargo
the day kim kardashian is actually a decent person
light holly
It just affects the game in a negative way, I don't like to see it, I'll call it out, but yeah I'll to try to change your mind, but if you don't want to that's fine
native cargo
and I am cursed with this chat
still quartz
If you weren't running a Bolter you didn't have enough damage to deal with the asinine amount of Crushers and everything under for a while
spare talon
i dont even know whats going on tbh and ive been reading most of it
native cargo
I know I could turn off my pc but
hard nexus
I'm not kidding when I say that basically sums up the entire thing.
oh lmfao
native cargo
thats just crazy
fading vale
I mean id leave when I see anyone with a knife if I cared enough but if it happens 2 or 3 games in a row and they are all shitters I just log off
still quartz
This is why I fear every time a new person joins Zealot Chat
native cargo
There are capybaras chilling near crocodiles putting their lives at danger and you guys are arguing in this chat
still quartz
Someone is gonna embarrass themselves
hard nexus
I mean id leave when I see anyone with a knife if I cared enough but if it happe...
knifephobia
fiery ingot
I mean id leave when I see anyone with a knife if I cared enough but if it happe...
no thats toxic you cant do that!!!11
still quartz
And I get second-hand embarrassment a little too much xd
native cargo
How dare
spare talon
i think i know what would settle this argument
we should all install this mod
still quartz
I'm gonna post a Knife video
light holly
I mean I ain't new
still quartz
And the 5 people who watch it will know how to play
light holly
Just pissed off 😌
still quartz
Ez
drowsy steppe
What is up Zealot chat
ripe quest
no thats toxic you cant do that!!!11
I don't think the behavior is particularly toxic but, like, Brauto? That's some mid 2023 behavior it's a good weapon rn.
drowsy steppe
🙂
still quartz
What is up Zealot chat
The ceiling
ripe quest
hello melon
ripe quest
consumption is near
still quartz
Excuse mi malo ingles
fading vale
brauto is great but yes some people that use it are uh, questionable
drowsy steppe
And women don't forget
hard nexus
No it's definitely ceiling
celiac
drowsy steppe
No me no pino
frozen glen
i left that part out on purpose
ripe quest
mal likes men
light holly
brauto is great but yes some people that use it are uh, questionable
Come on you could literally apply that to any weapon is all I can say
hard nexus
california
native cargo
No me no pino
you're filipino?
fiery ingot
I don't think the behavior is particularly toxic but, like, Brauto? That's some ...
idk i started playing the game a few months ago. im still fresh to most stuff but i had some pretty fucked up experiences with those
light holly
Just find a sample size with people using a columnus the worst possible way and bada boom
fading vale
I had 2 brauto zealots one time on orange ammo 3 minutes from match start from poxwalkers
like how
hard nexus
skill
still quartz
0% Ammo Stat
light holly
If I see a columnus vet I leave because he shoots into hordes and steals all the ammo
still quartz
ornate bone
doesn't it max out
shut
drowsy steppe
you're filipino?
Red's the only filipino who's obsessed with a anime character that I know of
native cargo
drowsy steppe
No I am not pinoy
ornate bone
I wanna play knife with Lazor
light holly
Incredible German engineering
native cargo
my condolences
frozen glen
wat da hell
ornate bone
wot de ell
fading vale
I wanna play knife with Lazor
I've seen a total of like 3 or 4 knife users in 14 months that didn't make me want to stab my eyes out
flint sable
Cause peoples tell them you need to do the most amount of DPS, they do it even if it's not efficient on the long run, normal behaviors
hard nexus
im one of them
royal vortex
I've seen a total of like 3 or 4 knife users in 14 months that didn't make me wa...
all of them are me
modern lintel
What gun should i run w eviscerator
native cargo
If you don't min of 1k kills per game you aren't ready for auric
royal vortex
light holly
If you don't min of 1k kills per game you aren't ready for auric
Time to extend a run into 2 hours
ornate bone
I've seen a total of like 3 or 4 knife users in 14 months that didn't make me wa...
I can be the 5th
drowsy steppe
When I'm tilted enough about how certain players play. Weapon be damned. I'll probably leave
spare talon
how do i match with bad players again
everyone im matching with can hold their own
i wanna hard carry again
south folio
Red is filipino!??!!
no he's bulging
frozen glen
im the only good knife user in the world
still quartz
What gun should i run w eviscerator
Braced Autogun
Nah I'm jk uuuhhh
Honestly any gun
Although Flamer or Bolter might be a bit hard to pull off
native cargo
no he's bulging
tell bulging to stop being confusing
frozen glen
When I'm tilted enough about how certain players play. Weapon be damned. I'll pr...
u havent played in 30 weeks
native cargo
my whiskers are tired
hard nexus
What gun should i run w eviscerator
if ur cool mg1a
ripe quest
idk i started playing the game a few months ago. im still fresh to most stuff bu...
I'm conflicted with like, Brauto specifically. I've seen some Brauto Vets pull pre-patch 13 bs where they w m1 a patrol and take 0 health damage. It's a great weapon, the whole Vet gunning into hordes thing has been a universal behavior and not always a Brauto.
modern lintel
Iv tried it w vraks headhunter and laspistol but they dont rlly feel decent w it
still quartz
Headhunters and Laspistols on Zealot isn't exactly great choices either
It's something!
frozen glen
what\
still quartz
But it could be better
ripe quest
The hell are you on
still quartz
The hell are you on
I am on "personally chief I have a bad experience"
light holly
What can I say it's nice to even shoot hordes with my lasgun
royal vortex
also
still quartz
Please enlighten me
royal vortex
torn dagger
I love all of you.
still quartz
Before fucking clowning on me
light holly
Even though I know it's terrible
still quartz
Thank you
light holly
But I'm gonna share ammo
native cargo
modern lintel
Think i might try i w fanning revolver
still quartz
That's not a bad choice
flint sable
I use a braced rifle I rarely run out of ammo cause I switch to hammer to take high armor targets and know how to use grenade which is an other part that most peoples forget when to use
fiery ingot
I'm conflicted with like, Brauto specifically. I've seen some Brauto Vets pull p...
its something i agree, i've seen lots of vets doing that. but its more common to brautos, so it's attached to brautos in my brain at this point
still quartz
Is Exhil typign out an essay about how stupid I am for thinking Laspistol and Headhunters are shit on Zealot (even though they're really not)?
Like am I gonna fuckin die?
spare talon
then he shot me 37 times in the chest after turning off his body camera
ripe quest
Is Exhil typign out an essay about how stupid I am for thinking Laspistol and He...
I'm educating you hold on
ornate bone
https://streamable.com/wjv32c
klip yourself
still quartz
I'm educating you hold on
No no I know what you wanna say already
native cargo
to drawing
still quartz
I suck ASS at using Headhunters
Straight up
Laspistols are great, especially if Crit build
native cargo
Kalhoun you don't understand
drowsy steppe
Then don't suck the ass smh
royal vortex
klip yourself
ping me in your fucking replies 
native cargo
he gonna do this to you
native cargo
He has evolved
fading vale
people can run whatever but like, it's simply not fun to have to solo multiple games in a row where people have 0 special and elite kills the whole fucking game for no good reason, just get the fuck off of this difficulty you clearly can't play
ornate bone
ping me in your fucking replies <a:rranebattal:1085345750210334800>
I will, because I'm a good friend that wants to make his friends comfortable
still quartz
people can run whatever but like, it's simply not fun to have to solo multiple g...
bUt MuH eXtRa XP and ReWaRdS!!
modern lintel
Also i like the new evis but idk if its just me not finding the right rythem for swining it but it feels like it swings rlly slowly when chaining
drowsy steppe
he gonna do this to you
Did Dough made this
fiery ingot
like i played brauto vet. i can see its potential, its a huge elite deleter, but most of the people i ran into with this gun would be players that lazor mentioned, where they run yellow on ammo and just dont bring in anything positive at all except clearing hordes ig
native cargo
people can run whatever but like, it's simply not fun to have to solo multiple g...
straight up fr og gatekeep and boyboss them mfers
light holly
that's just player behaviour fr
native cargo
Did Dough made this
no I think exhil did
ripe quest
I am on "personally chief I have a bad experience"
Oh I genuinely thought this was a Darcy meme. Laspistol, the Mk II specifically is super spammy and puts out solid damage. I haven't touched the new one. HH is just big damage in general, Headhunter + Deadly Accurate on the Mk III is nutty still. The single fire one is mixed ratings, feels better but isn't the same DPS.
light holly
How many thousands of people play the game a day
ornate bone
Brautos honestly feel kinda shit now that IAGs got goated modifiers
native cargo
like again
ornate bone
I guess having better base damage and doing funny bodyshots is easier
native cargo
Exhil has evolved from paragraphs to drawing
still quartz
Oh I genuinely thought this was a Darcy meme. Laspistol, the Mk II specifically ...
Yeah no I ain't like Darcy, thank god
light holly
I mean Columnbus is busted rn
ornate bone
But when you start trying to headshot and the damage skyrockets, IAGs are just so much better
native cargo
Karcy
drowsy steppe
Damn Ex, nice job
light holly
it's a hard sell
drowsy steppe
ripe quest
fast one
drowsy steppe
The fast one
still quartz
Kantrael Laspistol is a bit too slow for my liking
fading vale
it's also fatsharks problem because of mission rewards and auric board
still quartz
Ah yeah the fast one is fuckin nice
still quartz
I think heavier one is better on Veterans since it hits breakpoints better but maybe I just suck ass with it as Zealot, idk how hard it can one-tap stuff
subtle cedar
kantrael laspistol is basically purpose-designed for the vet's spend stamina for crit chance while aiming
light holly
right into my forehead
ripe quest
Also the Agri Revolver is super cool and vibing but it is worse than the Zarona. Saw someone say smth about it. It's still a Revolver though so it's nutty regardless with Hand Cannon.
subtle cedar
there's no real reason to use it as a zealot imo
light holly
I think heavier one is better on Veterans since it hits breakpoints better but m...
Iirc, it may have the same problems as the other Las pistol, really specific crit builds
ripe quest
Lots of people recommend Crucian which I genuinely think worsens it's drawbacks
light holly
But it's good when you meet those requirements
fading vale
idk the agri revolver is so ass at killing elites relative to zarona, like so ass
reef pewter
Also the Agri Revolver is super cool and vibing but it *is* worse than the Zaron...
not worse, different strengths. hammer fan will kill things faster, but with many more bullets
still quartz
Crucian on Agri Revolver feels like a decent blessing but I think it just gives the final shot an extra 20% chance to Crit
fading vale
you kill maybe 2 things in a fan, versus killing 2 things in 1 shot
still quartz
Good for fan spamming close range I guess
native cargo
So what kinda pringles do you think we should have when going into battle
fiery ingot
I think heavier one is better on Veterans since it hits breakpoints better but m...
the kantrael laspistol on vet with marksman focus and exec stance can one shot almost everything that isnt a crusher or mauler and still do decent damage to those
still quartz
So what kinda pringles do you think we should have when going into battle
Classic
Always