zealot-class

[left iron]

Lasagna day

[fading vale]

basically perfect, thunderstrike to skullcrusher and you can swap elites around to a few things

[sharp zodiac]

FUCK I forgot my sunglay

Glasses

[fading vale]

I'm sorry but for whatever reason this looks like cheeseburger lasagna

[raven epoch]

shit im short on cash i need to grind before reset then

[sharp zodiac]

I'll have to get them back Monday

[sterile stone]

This looks like a pizza with sliced cheese got slapped on it

[sharp zodiac]

Hope they'll still be there

[left iron]

Fair, i did the easy version and got the wrong cheese

[fading vale]

how does one get the wrong cheese for lasagna

[left iron]

It takes a special skill

[fading vale]

and then you were like ah fuck it I'll make it anyways

[left iron]

Well yes

Im hungry

[fading vale]

I made way too complicated lasagna (for the first time making it) once with my ex on valentines day

and we both passed out drunk while it was in the oven

👍

[raven epoch]

also is it 1tough/2 max health curios or 2 tough 1 max health?

[nimble fiber]

same

[fading vale]

either 3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 HP are recommended

[umbral kindle]

3 +3 stamina

3 of these

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1191370398651125820/image.png?ex=65ae6ba5&is=659bf6a5&hm=8e8d413feaa1818c72942a3c5f3789e1ccdacd7d73154d5d3c22318b0bd07519&

[fading vale]

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/b-boomer-boomer-bttv-twitch-classic-rock-gif-15991791

[umbral kindle]

[raven epoch]

yo I think you like running stamina

[umbral kindle]

[ornate bone]

W roll, see if you can get one with +1 wound tho. Idk about u but I always find myself with like 2 wounds every match

[fading vale]

wounds are never recommended unless marty

[oak cipher]

1 wound for the damn bursters

[umbral kindle]

Get yourself a good wound curio with mutant and dog resist

[oak cipher]

no need to go for the marty tree

[north sedge]

No

[true mantle]

No

[fleet zealot]

take more hp

[oak cipher]

LOl

[fleet zealot]

or take corruption resistance as your 3rd perk

[north sedge]

Wounds just means you'll go down more

[fleet zealot]

there you go

solved

more wounds= more chance you die on your first down

(not true but it should be)

[fading vale]

I mean it is true though

cause you are planning to go down instead of stay alive

[umbral kindle]

If you're going down more than once per medicae stop you're getting carried regardless

[fleet zealot]

martyr builds dont even go down

you just let chip damage build up and skip medicae

if you aren't too corrupted

[fading vale]

well marty with DR is silly so you can't compare

[north sedge]

Wound curios outside of marty builds just means less defense which means ground time

[true mantle]

Perfect

[open bramble]

they should probably make wound curios give some amount of toughness and/or health as well, but that would make marty even more stupid, so they can't

[copper hawk]

Does this 2 u

[fading vale]

I'm sorry if I'm stupid but does that remind me of starship troopers for a reason

[true mantle]

It is

[signal prism]

Cause it's from it

[true mantle]

You got it right

[azure mortar]

literally from startship trooper

[fading vale]

ah, cool

[lone pecan]

[fading vale]

I couldn't remember if it was

but when I saw it I was like, oh thats starship troopers

[hearty lily]

Just found out Overpressure blessing is bugged. Did they confirm they were gonna fix that?

making me sad about my Flamerthrower 😦

[fading vale]

they have not confirmed

[hearty lily]

mannn

[umbral kindle]

What is the bug exactly

[fading vale]

don't worry blaze away is the only flamer blessing anyways

overpressure doesn't effect burn

[umbral kindle]

Ew

[lone pecan]

What is it even good for then?

[fading vale]

uh, you do more stagger

[north sedge]

Still puts in the work

With just blaze

[fading vale]

theoretically it will get fixed and then be the best second blessing

[lone pecan]

Is that when they also fix the crazy push back from getting shot?

[fading vale]

I pray that they either delete player suppression and stagger or revamp them to be interactive instead of purely unfun

[ornate bone]

the bonk stick is still pretty good

used the crusher and it was fun

[fading vale]

wdym still

[lone pecan]

I don't even mean the stagger, but the physically getting pushed back several meters from getting shot. Makes playing vet very unfun

[fading vale]

it was hot ass before the rework

[ornate bone]

oh I know

but before I liked it cos it was silly

and now it's silly AND good

Win win for me

[fading vale]

at least it's not silly in a super dumb way though

[ornate bone]

I think before rework it was doing like

what
tickle damage, right?

[fading vale]

the way you used crusher pre rework was just special L1 spam as fast as possible

for giant AOE stagger

[ornate bone]

yeah I remember that

[fading vale]

and it did no damage

[ornate bone]

oh I found it

the first crusher I got

I remember taking like 20 years to clear a horde during a clutch

lol

[fading vale]

it was really bad

but naturally there were still people arguing/coping about it being a super good team support role weapon

[ornate bone]

yep I remember those days lol

[fading vale]

hell I think there's a recent quote saying make crusher good again

[ornate bone]

this is that same crusher

it was just interesting to see just how much they had to buff it when it was hot garbage before

[fading vale]

@royal vortex you have the screenshot don't you lol

[ornate bone]

but at least it was really funny back then
like aggressively slapping nurglings with a wet noodle

[fading vale]

large circle spotted

[signal prism]

Circle gang rise up

[fading vale]

[raven epoch]

yall keep perfect strike or rampager

[fading vale]

go rampage and then swap crit chance

[ornate bone]

cute furball

[ornate bone]

cute calico

[fading vale]

so sleepy

[azure mortar]

cute

[ornate bone]

The Emperor gives its sleepiest servants the fluffiest of naps

[azure mortar]

braincell material

[signal prism]

True

[fading vale]

I still can't stop laughing at this picture from yesterday

[ornate bone]

void is blending in

[signal prism]

That's such a good picture lol

[ripe quest]

Yee I was, Agri's slug has the best stagger and finesse for the combo. With Anoint it can 1 shot Maulers.

[mossy scarab]

Steve. That's not how that works

[fading vale]

so it's more than 2 stacks, does manstopper somehow make it stagger more

[ripe quest]

Lawby's special shot will get a good chunk of benefit too but it isn't 1 shotting many elites

[fading vale]

I see other people's small cats and I'm like, wow Steve could eat them lol

[ripe quest]

Well what I'm seeing is that if you lets say stagger 7 enemies with 1 stack of stagger, you get 7 stacks of No Respite

[fading vale]

but it's supposed to be per enemy stagger count

and an on hit check

unless I guess the on hit isn't per enemy

which seems plausible

[ripe quest]

I'll double check but unless Agri's slug does far more damage than I think it does the interaction should be accurate

I was using Shroudfield for convenience in that video but it'll raw 1 shot with +elites

[fading vale]

then it would have to be something wonky about no respite interacting with cleave

[ripe quest]

Even Scab Ragers get ruined by it

[fading vale]

blanket cat

[median steeple]

Cozy

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[fading vale]

man the faceplants are always the best

[steel agate]

I got a old kitty pic where she put her face in a hole when sleeping faceplant style

[exotic portal]

important to stretch.

[steel agate]

she ded of old age but she was good gato

[median steeple]

Half of my phone is filled with pics of my cats

Idk how he did that

[fading vale]

squish

[north sedge]

Cat i used to live with

[spare dome]

poofy tail

[north sedge]

Was cleaning and i just walked into this shit happening

[spare dome]

cat would say the same thing

[signal prism]

Probably my favorite picture of my calico

[azure mortar]

that's a slugcat

[visual stream]

Should I change the perks on this or scrap it for Thurst 4?

Not sure if there's a better in slot for thunderous or if this is good

[steel agate]

Finally found the pic

[azure mortar]

I'd say scrap, but if it's the only one you have eh...

[visual stream]

What am I aiming for instead?

[azure mortar]

dmg blessing like slaugheterer/headtaker

[visual stream]

Heard, thx

[split sable]

i've been running a chorus/crit knife build where crits reduce combat ability and i've had it running pretty much the entire match lol its so much fun

[spare dome]

So like, hot take I suppose.

I've been avoiding VoC and Chorus.

Because I find overheal toughness in its current iteration to be overbearingly strong and I presume it'll be adjusted, so I don't wanna get too comfortable.

[ripe quest]

I'm testing it rn and the interactions that I witnessed don't exist. Either schizo or the Psyk just betrayed me. It was like raw 1 shotting Maulers and now it's half their health

[magic onyx]

that's a pretty good build yeah, feels amazing

[ripe quest]

It's not stacking NR from what I see

mmm

[ripe quest]

Sounds odd but try it with a Chainsword.

[visual stream]

I think a lot of its strength is being able to regen the overheal while the effect is active, rather than it only going down until normal again

[spare dome]

Yes, that's a big component of it.

[visual stream]

If they wanted to gut the strength a bit, they could do that

[spare dome]

It's insane that it lasts 15s from a Vet.

[visual stream]

Flakiac perks or something else?

[ripe quest]

Flak + Elites/Maniac/Unyielding. Some people like Unarmored.

Maniac will be a bit minor and Unyielding is only for the bosses.

[hearty lily]

Which one should I keep? I haven't modded the left one yet

[ripe quest]

Left one

[hearty lily]

im a little sad the left one has less power

[ripe quest]

Swap Specialist to Flak

wdym

[hearty lily]

and i think people said the breakpoitn for burn is 76%?

[ripe quest]

oh the damage stat doesn't really do a whole lot for Flamer

[hearty lily]

oops. i meant less damage percent

but it seems that doesn't matter

[visual stream]

Makes sense, sounds like elite is the move, thanks

[ripe quest]

The 2nd Blessing isn't a huge deal rn, once Overpressure gets fixed swap Insp Barrage to that

[split sable]

i'll give it a shot

[fading vale]

rip

wonder what was going on

[visual stream]

The plasteel grind fears no one 💪

[fading vale]

I sometimes find myself grabbing plasteel as the last one alive soloing a boss lol

[exotic portal]

Easy to dodge around a dh, with knife

[fading vale]

while I'm running around "oh hey a shiny"

[spare dome]

always

[exotic portal]

Ping it, Plasteel!

[fading vale]

I still want plasteel to be a flat reward but that's hopium

[median steeple]

man imagine if bosses gave a multiplier to the amount of plasteel you got

[steel agate]

Glances at weakened bosses

Piles of materials flow outta them like a cheap grind game

[median steeple]

with some exceptions like weakened bosses

idk I just want bosses to give something for killing them

[fading vale]

I used to want bosses to give some kind of plasteel pickups or something, but I think I prefer the idea of them giving a unique reward even if it's like a chest you open

[steel agate]

buff multiplier for killing DHs, really reward them for doing something they “shouldn’t”

[median steeple]

yeah just any reward would be better than nothing

[fading vale]

maybe they could even modify emperors gifts

let you influence them somehow idk

nothing is more worthless to me than emperors gifts

[north sedge]

bring back loot dice is what im hearing!

[fading vale]

I did not play VT2 so idk how that worked

[median steeple]

the only reason to like them is the small chance of getting a IV perk without spending resources but it becomes useless once you have all of the high tier blessings

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-windy-blowy-air-hand-gif-15358736

yeah

[north sedge]

monsters dropped loot dice that increased the quality of the chest you got at the end (tomes and grims also affected this)

[steel agate]

Long story short u either find em on the map or get them via boss murdering

Wait ya not the 1st part just bosses

[fading vale]

oh so basically what I just said lol

[north sedge]

yes

except chests dropped like 3 items, lol

[ripe quest]

I loved stacking a bunch of cool stuff and Mr. Ronald McDonald would personally give me a McShittle and not up my Vault

[timid mortar]

I need to embrace the suck.

• How do I survive with 'Flamer' with just a 12m reach?

[fading vale]

but flamer has a 23m reach

[ripe quest]

That's like, 0 cloud radius

[median steeple]

bros got a weak stream going

[timid mortar]

It feels like 12m.
Getting drilled by gunners.

[ripe quest]

uhhh, run Fury and play aggressive

if it's actually

the range is huge on it though

[fading vale]

chastise the gunners with flamer out to charge them

delete room

puff to stagger them on approach

staggers on first hit from 23m away

use your dodges

[median steeple]

twbs

as well

[timid mortar]

I used to just use revolvers, lasguns or void.
twbs?

[fading vale]

thy wrath be swift

[timid mortar]

I'll check it out - thx.

[fading vale]

it says melee stagger

but it's also ranged

and it has been for 14 months

[steel agate]

Gotta love fat shark wording

That same wording had me and all sorts of vet bamboozled on demolition team thinking we could pass nades to pals

Without improved stockpile

[sage river]

Ask the purgatus psykers

[fading vale]

I like how field improv works when the vet is dead

[timid mortar]

😯 I avoided a lot of talents cos of that.
I hate this ShockingStuff penance- making me learn the flamer.
I was a Purg; setup-lag is terrible.

[steel agate]

I see some broskis rocking throwing knifes instead of the 2 diff nades to make up for the flamer’s range, either that or they use a high mobility melee to make up for the distance

[median steeple]

this is like twbs on vet for me, I always run it no matter what

[fading vale]

field improv is the best aura in the game

oh wait it's not an aura

[median steeple]

so sad

[steel agate]

Ya just a fancy lookin talent mode

Mode? Node

[median steeple]

moode

[steel agate]

Autocorrect selling me

[ripe quest]

Ok so I'm testing stuff and it just kinda seems like finesse increases turn Agri's slug into a railgun. It's not what I was seeing yesterday but it's a good bit nuts still.

[fading vale]

but you had also previously mentioned body shots

[ripe quest]

Before when I was using Scattershot + Man Stopper on Agri I wasn't using the slug much but I might use it some more if I get Duellist up

Finesse ups the crit damage too

[fading vale]

oh right

and manstopper is on crit of course

[ripe quest]

mhm

I might use some like, Shroudfield BP build with it

Just so I can get the occasional line deletion

The only roadblocks are Bulwarks and Crushers so I'm thinking a Crusher build

[fading vale]

might make crit chance perk ok but idk

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sandra-bullock-all-skeet-happy-dance-gif-14741774

[ripe quest]

BP + Scattershot is high crit chance already

And a Man Stopper shotgun can get BP up in a shot or two

[fading vale]

weren't you doing no respite manstopper

[ripe quest]

I was but I'm not seeing No Respite doing what I saw yesterday

[crisp veldt]

screenshot bc pc discord broken. Should I farm Headtaker and Thrust IV blessing and ignore the perks.

[ripe quest]

It was hitting some crazy damage numbers but if it isn't doing that anymore, I'll use Scattershot to get more consistent Man Stopper shots.

jesus I cannot type rn

[fading vale]

hmm, not the greatest, thrust is what you want, thunderstrike and perks are dead

[ripe quest]

I'll experiment a bit to see if anything lines up. Agri is already doing more per-hit damage than Kant with this setup so I gotta see if I can push it to compete with a normal build

[placid fiber]

It's neat to see potential for another build on weapons, rather than the same cut and paste on all more or less

[dense field]

Doing the emperor's work there

[lone pecan]

The crafting system doesn't really make it easy to try and test different builds

[placid fiber]

I do that too, when I am trying to survive and such I still also try to loot the area

I am much less efficient at it, but, I still try not to pass up the mats

[ripe quest]

Yeah it can be a bit limiting, it's what pushed me to solo stuff since I can lab anything I want. I'd like to think that me being able to test weird outlier stuff without it being a hassle can help realize the meta.

[azure adder]

HAIL AND KILL, brothers and sisters. A quick question:

[placid fiber]

No, psykers do not have 3 arms

[azure adder]

What build would this go best with?

[placid fiber]

I wouldn't use a taxe without bromentum, tbh... and I don't really even like using taxes

[ripe quest]

mmm that's not super great but your best bet is probs a Martyr build with Fury.

[placid fiber]

probably martyrdom tho

[azure adder]

I don't use em either.

I use my HE

But I like to mess around with my extra plasteel and see if it's viable

[ripe quest]

Brutal Momentum shifts the Taxe from bad to only a bit malnourished.

You can try it out though

It's a fun weapon

[azure adder]

Eh.

Still looking to get a better HE

Mines ok but uh, could be better

[ripe quest]

HE?

[azure adder]

Heavy Eviscerator

I've had it since I knew nothing but it gets the job done.

[ripe quest]

Ah right

[placid fiber]

Took me a second to process HE as well, but, I figured it out :3

[azure adder]

What's the proper shorthand verbage then?

[ripe quest]

Evis is commonly used

[azure adder]

Thank you.

[spare dome]

HE still means high explosive to me

[azure adder]

Great stats and one good blessing

[ripe quest]

mmm I'd probs swap out +Crit Chance on it but yeah that's a fairly solid Evis

[spare dome]

really want maniac

man the eviscerators are so fun now

[azure adder]

I get good stats on evis often, but I've been hopelessly gambling for a better stubby

[azure adder]

Swap crit for carapace enemies?

[ripe quest]

+Maniac

[fervent elk]

quick question for perks on antax combat 5 axe - what get

[azure adder]

Will do!

[light holly]

I imagine the same as a rashad

BM, headtaker

[fervent elk]

perks not blessings ❤️

[light holly]

Ou

[fervent elk]

I got BM and decimator instead

I'm assuming flak/maniac but ~

[light holly]

Maybe... Carapace maniac?

[azure adder]

I've been struggling to get my shocking stuff penance

[fervent elk]

oh yea?

[lone pecan]

Flak and maniac really is just the answer in 90% of cases, isn't it?

[light holly]

The question I'd have is, how many hits does it take for you to kill a crusher?

[fervent elk]

yea - but was just mega curious

true enough

[light holly]

Does Antax have overheads on heavy swing?

[lone pecan]

I don't know, I'm a noob

[fading vale]

antax and rashad are the same weapon except for special and push attack and Rashad just does more damage

[fervent elk]

ye they do

[light holly]

Okay

[azure adder]

Chorus/Piety is working really well for me. What about you guys?

[light holly]

If that's the case I would pair up with carapace with something

[fading vale]

and rashad attacks faster

[light holly]

Because overheads on maulers are gonna hit carapace

[lone pecan]

Want to try and get it in a private game later, I also still need it

[light holly]

Its very awkward to hit flak on maulers with rashad and thats what I'm basing my example off of

[azure adder]

Yeah, allied attacks I think count

[azure adder]

I gotta get my private game penance too. The Zealot one looks brutal

[fervent elk]

sure thing, appreciate it

[azure adder]

75% of the mission with less than a wound in under 20 minutes

Sheesh

[fading vale]

that one is pretty easy depending on your friends

[azure adder]

How would you go about it

The problem is I can't get my friends together all at the same time

[lone pecan]

Yeah, I was lucky and got some help yesterday. Did an assassination mission in 13 minutes, gotta go fast

[fading vale]

oubliette, hab dreyko, relay station, toughness curios and hold W

[lone pecan]

And remember not to heal, it's tempting

[indigo quartz]

carapace is for the XV

it makes you 1-shot non-chastise crits

not sure about the MK II

[azure adder]

I gotta get some toughness curios. All have are +health and wounds for a Marty build I don't use.

[lone pecan]

You definitely don't want extra wounds for the private game penance

[azure adder]

Deffo.

I'll have to make some $$ first while trying for the shocking stuff penance

I was told grenade + flamer

But I never seem to get it.

[small heron]

It is real hard when the game throws a lot of medipacks at you too and someone is dropping them for everyone else in the airlocks

[fading vale]

yeah grenade and flamer is the easiest as long as your teammates don't kill the horde

[lone pecan]

You also need to hope your team is leaving your horde alone

[azure adder]

Yeah that's my other issue.

Psyker dart go brrrrt.

😦

[small heron]

I helped a random person get that one last night as a pyro psyker. I would follow behind them and torch everything so they killed the mob faster. never saw their armor drop below half.

[azure adder]

I guess I'm going to try and get this achievement one more time before I got to go run to the bus stop and grab the kid

[fading vale]

as long as it's your kid

[lone pecan]

Let me know if you want to try shocking stuff together later

[azure adder]

Do I look like I'm from The Emperor's Children?

[azure adder]

I'm gunna try now if you're free

Same name on steam

[timid mortar]

It's no good.
Teams for T3,4,5,Au are appropriate for that level.
They don't need clutch/horde-clearer.

[azure adder]

If anyone else wants to help get Shocking Stuff I'm about to try

I've got an hour.

[lone pecan]

Yeah we can try now

[timid mortar]

I need to get it as well.

[azure adder]

Ok dope. I'm Garbageland on there.

[timid mortar]

Private game?

[azure adder]

Akroma in game.

[timid mortar]

add 6536882469 on social, I'll set up a room

[lone pecan]

Shocking stuff doesn't have to be private, but will be easier there to avoid a 4th person killing the horde

[azure adder]

Ok joining

I'm 0643169880

[timid mortar]

StrikeGroup 2

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-smile-car-windows-down-gif-16958759

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-the-dance-annoyed-pissed-facepalm-gif-15099291

[azure adder]

We just need one more.

And we're good to chase the penace

[late birch]

Terrifying Barrage or Fire Frenzy on a autogun

[north sedge]

fire frenzy

barrage fucking never

[placid fiber]

Gotta love failing a 99% health sacrifice shrine over and over lol

I failed the 99% cost 3 times xD

[ripe quest]

Robomando's only roadblock

[cerulean pike]

ur mom

[placid fiber]

I had 2 bungus so it wasn't really a roadblock >.>

and it was in a safe area as well

[median steeple]

Rip the bungus

[spare dome]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HealthyArbitraryVelociraptorPeanutButterJellyTime-S0xxnSPnOWfQLb8V

what throwing knives do to a mfer

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-rock-on-nodding-pointing-gif-18593691

[woeful pecan]

Which blessing should I change, and to what?

[celest cave]

Both are good.

[wraith helm]

change out weakspot for maniac or preferred damage and its solid

[woeful pecan]

Cool, I was gonna swap to maniac already, just wasn't sure about blessings

Thank you

[wraith helm]

Yeah honestly it just power power power to make it worth using

[celest cave]

You can go with Thrust instead of Headtaker if you thrust enjoyer, but Slaughterer + Headtaker good combo too.

[ripe quest]

@south folio A while ago I asked you for what you use to make your game look like that, a friend needed it to run their game. They graduated from a dumpster PC just today and they wanted to thank you for your service.

[north sedge]

i'm sure they'll miss woody, buzz and the gang though

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/891753453913792554/1188442996673351742/mammoth_slam.gif?ex=65a3c54a&is=6591504a&hm=153c2415721872e1e6bc448aa1a2bf48d404407f6d0881a9743060ca7fb1e2a6&

[solar gorge]

graphic settings for ants

[north sedge]

i think you mean Antz

[limber valley]

Is this portrait frame in the game? And how do I get it??

[solar gorge]

can't have shit in Tertium mfs smoothed all my surfaces

[steel agate]

Me thinks is a tester banner for before they let us play the beta

[steel agate]

For the tester broskis

[solar gorge]

early 3d jumpscare

[north sedge]

isnt that warhammer plus or something

[solar gorge]

it is

[steel agate]

Shit u might be right I’ve spread misinformation

Sorry

[limber valley]

Ah yes? I see some people in game have it. So only for testers

[solar gorge]

No it's for warhammer+ subscribers

[steel agate]

Ya listen to these wiser lads not me

I lied without knowing

[limber valley]

Oh sorry didn't get it . Thanks!

[ripe quest]

I think that one is a different one

Maybe

I swear it was a touch more blue than that one

[solar gorge]

P sure it's warhammer+

[north sedge]

the hammer bit is on the warhammer plus one i think, but both could have it

[solar gorge]

the blue one is another event

you have a blue helmet with a hammer on it that was given alongside it

it was for warhammerfest or some shit like that

[wraith helm]

And you had to pay for a subscription for it, right?

[solar gorge]

For the portrait shown above ?

It was given to members so yes

Idk if they still give you a code if you subscribe

do not ever get warhammer+ unless you play the tabletop game regularly

[wraith helm]

I dont

[sterile stone]

Was like $6 or something

[solar gorge]

the only part that could appeal to someone who doesn't play is it's shittiest part, the streaming service

[wraith helm]

I like the RTS

[sterile stone]

Wait

Is the war hammer show still gonna be a thing?

[flat marsh]

Yes

It recently negotiated as an official contract

[solar gorge]

but it'll be on Prime so

[minor sage]

eh it's fine

[steel agate]

Dang that just reminded me, I miss warhams 😭

[minor sage]

we got henry cavill

[solar gorge]

no that's good if it's on Prime

You get more out of a prime subscritption than a fucking warhammer+ one

[minor sage]

i just hope they don't tunnel vision on diversity

and make it as bad as

lawd dem rangs

[sterile stone]

I mean

It's a galaxy filled with various races of beings

Diversity is kinda mandatory

[minor sage]

yeah sure lol

but I hope they prioritize making the show good

[solar gorge]

diversity doesn't ruin shows and movies, bad writers do

[sterile stone]

^

[minor sage]

rather than making that their top 1 priority

[sterile stone]

I mean that's completely up to the story tellers

Best case scenario, someone who isn't creatively bankrupt has the show running

Worst case scenario

[minor sage]

honestly it's not that big of a deal if it's bad lol

[sterile stone]

A creatively bankrupt person does the story board

[minor sage]

i just wont watch

[solar gorge]

GW will pressure them into making a show that's somewhat watchable dw

[minor sage]

the problem is that they've been hiring a lot of creatively bankrupt people

for shows lately

in general

2023 tv and movies were

very very very bad

star wars is dead bcz of it

marvel is on its last legs

pixar is completely screwed

they literally killed the witcher

[flat marsh]

Pandering isn't really what made those shows bad

[minor sage]

of course not lol

but it doesn't help

you can pander and still make a show good

[spare dome]

or you can make money

which these shows do

so i dont

really follow where the 'on their last legs' commentary comes from

[minor sage]

well the problem is they don't lol

[spare dome]

these guys dont fucking care about the art

[minor sage]

marvels loss about 100 mil

[spare dome]

if they did win oscars it would just be for great publicity

[minor sage]

ant man was like -150 mil

[spare dome]

end game made 2billion overtop

[minor sage]

indiana jones was like -80 mil

[spare dome]

you can eat a lot of mistakes with two billion

and they're also disney

[flat marsh]

Also, all of the recent shows were made during the writer's strike

[minor sage]

you'd be surprised actually

it doesnt last as long as you'd think

how many years has it been since endgame?

[spare dome]

do you know what disney is

like we can silo off the production companies and say, "in this grouping, marvel studios is currently not great/at a loss"

but when you pull in $80bil~ a year

you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want

[minor sage]

disney as a whole isn't doing so hot

lucasfilm and pixar are also at a loss currently

[open echo]

lmfao

[minor sage]

it reflects in the stock

[open echo]

joined a game in proggress

and this is what i get

[spare dome]

very interesting graph range youve presented

[minor sage]

this is all time

how is that biased?

[spare dome]

because it's dumb?

[minor sage]

I specifically picked all time because you can see the entire trend

instead of cherrypicking a range

lol

[spare dome]

a reflective window is 5-10

[minor sage]

ok here is 5y

[spare dome]

and in the five year window, i wonder if there was perhaps some weird ass global incident that caused for a cheap flooding of money

which we are all winding out of

[minor sage]

yes

and the global incident is passed

[spare dome]

to a degree yes

we're not back to pre-2020 but

it's not ongoing anymore

[minor sage]

most of the ramifications of that incident are no longer in effect

the long lasting stuff such as supply shortages

were most suffering in 2022 and 2023

but are now pretty much done

the main thing is that a lot of the stuff that's put out lately is simply losing money

in 2023, I believe spiderman and guardians of the galaxy were the only blockbusters to go net positive

in their portfolio

little mermaid, ant man, marvels, thor, indiana jones all lost money

[marble bolt]

what should i do w this?

[minor sage]

I would suggest letting it rot in your inventory unused, or eating it for a blessing

^ if you're level 30, and using it without making any changes if you're under level30

[fleet zealot]

yee

low shredder

poor perks, low level blessings

[marble bolt]

i got it and hit lvl 30 so i rlly dont have anything better tbh

[minor sage]

you can use it as is until you have some money

to make better gear

[marble bolt]

should i spend money on the amory for random rolls?

[minor sage]

ya

[marble bolt]

how much money would u say

[spare talon]

till you get one worth upgrading

just make sure you actually want to use the weapon before you start dumping money into getting one

[ripe quest]

Some people spend a considerable amount of money getting a perfect one. Just get like a 350+ base rating with mobility as the dump and you'll be set.

The unfairness of the crafting system depends on how much you care about a good weapon.

[marble bolt]

wicjh chainsword is hte best ive been using this one bcuz i am not rlly a fan of the eviserator

[minor sage]

the weapons in this game are pretty balanced

buy a white one and try it out in the meat grinder

and see which one you like more

[ripe quest]

Mk IV has better crowd damage, Mk XIIIg has better single target. Both have like, the best melee horde clear for Zealot.

@north sedge Welp looks like I'm doing this for the next month

A real art piece

[north sedge]

I made an actual knife out of boredom the other day, haven't taken it into a game but in psyk i was just like "why do people like this"

[marble bolt]

what does the finesse do on weapons?

[exotic portal]

Quickness of attacks i guess

[ripe quest]

You can inspect the weapon to see exactly what the stat does. Usually attack speed and weakspot/crit damage.

Weapons also have a Weakspot, Critical, and Critical Weakspot hit multiplier

People usually refer to that as a Finesse hit

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-duel-sword-fight-inigo-montoya-gif-17903258

[ripe quest]

stab n whatnot

[north sedge]

Eh

[indigo quartz]

weakspot, critical hit, and weakspot critical hit multiplier + attack speed

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/finesse-gif-10400611

[north sedge]

It feels about as effective as a fidget spinner

Hit alot of buttons, kinda do something?

[still quartz]

Yeah it's not for everyone

I'd much prefer Dueling Sword

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/terrific-elijah-wood-gif-3906482

[still quartz]

I will pay an embarrassing amount of money to give Zealot a Dueling Sword

[spare talon]

b-b-b-b-b-based

[mystic ether]

At least for psyker, I'm much more into the dueling sword so it's whatever.

Knife is just fun for me along with the other melee I make regular use of. Me like go fast

[exotic portal]

Different point of views

[still quartz]

All fun and games until Kerillian Sword and Dagger equivalent is finally added

Oh boy Combat Knife and Devil's Claw

[mystic ether]

I stab my stab and dodge my stab dodge to stab the dodge from the stab after the next dodge into the stab and push block followup for the stab after I dodge.

[mystic ether]

:^)

[still quartz]

Replicate Shade gameplay that much harder

And by that I mean dying to first Crusher then quitting

[mystic ether]

Combat knife feels functionally the same tbh just one knife only.

[marble bolt]

ah okay ty ty

[mystic ether]

Strictly from the dual dagger fiend perspective but not exactly the same level of boss damage whatsoever. That's up to crucis.

But I finally do now play a game where I get to do play stealth two-handed gameplay.

Big ol' black jack shroudfield. Fancy a bonk?

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[marble bolt]

should i upgrade?

[mystic ether]

That's like, every uppity zealot regardless of build from my experience in some auric runs of the last few months lol.

[still quartz]

xd

[mystic ether]

But like, going down to solo trappers that very clearly where in their face or somehow not be able to handle a small bundle of elites with their fancy copy/paste safe builds.

Sometimes it'd just be them getting cut off from groups during hordes with zero ability to hold their own and mob them back to the team safely.

/shrug

[north sedge]

Yes

[mystic ether]

The only time the knife shroudfield zealot meme was realized for me was when some dude was really weird about us not having "x whatever" and literally being the crux of a near wipe.

But died hilariously to a solo grunt that, again, was wailing on them for like three swings and then they just slurbomb and left.

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-resign-over-finished-pull-out-gif-8594736

[mystic ether]

It was just odd. They bitched at me for switching to smoke infiltrate knife vet just cuz I was being cheeky and wanted to stab with them. Dude literally did not understand how to use that thing at those levels and played like a robot.

Meanwhile I'm just, fine. :V

[exotic portal]

Adapt to their gameplay and make it more immersive for them

like damn

[marble bolt]

what should i change

[mystic ether]

What's funny was that I routinely covered this person's back since on that style of vet I usually shadow people. Like literally I'll pick people, follow them and keep my focus on their flanks and blindspots as much as I can.

It's a really weird way to playbwith those tools but it was actually really interesting when coupled with the knife zealot that actually was running off with me a lot a lot. The other two were fine but I was lowkey babysitting my guy two minutes in after they took too much dmg versus trash mobs.

[exotic portal]

soo, i usually never ress on contempt and screenshot 3x dead players waiting for ress as i run for the extract, but you do you

[delicate horizon]

worth to pick for blessing or good enough to build?

[north sedge]

Hmmm not the best roll, rev it up to rampage, unarmoured to flak, won't be ideal but playable

[sharp zodiac]

Eh

Doesn't seem too worth it for either, depends on how many of Melk's currency you have

[delicate horizon]

I hace currency and have interest in building a flamer

if any blessing is worth I can pick it

[median steeple]

blaze away for starters

[minor sage]

I would pick it up if you have lots of money, neither blessing is good right now, but there is a chance fan may become good if they rebalance stagger thresholds

[median steeple]

man overpressure is never getting fixed is it

[exotic portal]

Like knife heavy attacks finally stagger trappers.

Somewhat

[still quartz]

Blaze Away and Quickflame are good Blessings

[marble bolt]

thw only other perk i have is shred

[still quartz]

Inspiring Barrage lowkey good for facetanking

[exotic portal]

fking unit before new dagger was released

[sharp zodiac]

Nnope!

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-movie-set-gif-10559628

https://tenor.com/view/nigel-marven-prehistoric-park-net-gun-shooting-gif-26539580

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/baldursgate3-baldursgate-baldurs-gate-3-baldurs-gate-baldur's-gate-3-gif-3264810222192444502

[ripe quest]

Do you still have this as is? If you swap Crit Chance to Flak and Rev it Up to Rampage that'll be pretty solid.

[sharp zodiac]

Red people

[steel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-mulligan-aaron-burr-sir-hamilton-gif-20165022

RAPHAEL!

[sharp zodiac]

Teenage mutant Ninja turtles

[steel agate]

That one works too

we got 3 Raphael’s to choose from

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-3-karlach-yoinky-sploinky-dance-groove-gif-4370123372197660571

[marble bolt]

i dont have the rampage perk but yes i still have it as it

[ripe quest]

That can be a pretty good Chainsword, Unarmored isn't preferred but it is ok.

[modest quiver]

would anyone like to join for some karnak twins hard mode?

[marble bolt]

so do i buy more chainswords and upgrade them to try and get rampage?

or should i just put shred?

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[marble bolt]

me w plasteel rn

[dark thunder]

flechette and no respite for fire shotgun with piety?

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kıngslayer-gif-23309394

Yeah gotta grind some too

[maiden path]

no more ferret pictures!

[steel agate]

Quickly, he didn’t say anything bout gifs

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-22266338

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/opposingly-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-21092186

[ripe quest]

You should def try to get Rampage.

[naive star]

Mission reward, which blessing to sacrifice?

[ripe quest]

Just like, get 360+ and upgrade to blue

[naive star]

Wish there was "increased hordes" modifier without the extras, for doing these penances

[granite hearth]

Is wrath any good on a evicerator?

[thorn flicker]

is this a good roll?

i'm thinking of replacing decapitator with all or nothing

[median steeple]

change block effic to flak or maniac

[thorn flicker]

good point

[delicate horizon]

are these good enough stats for a flamer?

[misty ravine]

Pretty good for MkII. Not great on MkXV. Cleave blessings on MkXV will help stagger more enemies with lights and improve damage to 2nd/3rd/4th targets, but won't help you damage more than 4 at a time

[median steeple]

iirc yeah its decent due to the fact you want cloud and burn to be the highest stats

[delicate horizon]

nice, want to try a flamer so gonna upgrade it

I know the blessing but what are the perks?

[granite hearth]

I love blending hordes thought itd be perfect:(

[median steeple]

flak, and elites

or you could have

[lean lark]

flak + elites/unyielding/carapace

[median steeple]

^

[delicate horizon]

thanks

[lean lark]

or unyielding + flak/elites/carapace

[delicate horizon]

switch overpreasure for blaze away and specialist for elites and shoulg be good to go right?

[thorn flicker]

i've noticed that my stamina seems to regenerate faster when i'm in coherency, is that a known stat that it gives?

[median steeple]

yeah

[misty ravine]

MkII evis is a great horde blender and still decent against single targets (even if not as strong as the XV)

[granite hearth]

The youtube guy lied to me

I got rid of my awesome mkii

[median steeple]

yeah they do that

[misty ravine]

Most Darktide Youtubers don't know what they are talking about

[median steeple]

dont listen to youtube guys this channel has pins about most of the zealot weapons and what to put on them and what they do

[frozen ibex]

Darktide youtubers are the worst I hate them

[misty ravine]

Also why ever get rid of a good weapon? Even one that's objectively shit now could get buffed in the future

[granite hearth]

Needed the blessing off it

Im not too good with the meta, just like yelling blood for the blood god and killing things

[misty ravine]

Fair enough

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-kids-lemme-zoom-in-on-that-zoom-watching-you-spy-gif-5212510

[mystic ether]

I rez almost selfishly. Done it to set up someone to take a hit from a disabler for me in really fucked up situatilons where I need something to get in the way that won't make the situation instantly worse.

[exotic portal]

I can tell if i need or do not need//what out weights the risk

[pale kelp]

Teammates are there to eat up aggro /shrug/

[fleet zealot]

winter floofed

[pale kelp]

a w h

but also

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-nunchucks-gif-23400696

[mystic ether]

ye

[south folio]

they grow up so quickly 🫡

[ornate bone]

Until you see The Division's "LITERALLY MELTS" being the most normal DPS build

[median steeple]

god trying to build in Div 1 was PAIN

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/a-two-faced-loathsome-biblical-liar-lucifer-morningstar-tom-ellis-lucifer-biblical-liar-gif-17400096

[mystic ether]

I've done elaborate griefs in my time.

Unfortunately not to the level of minecraft grief mastermind but, it's something I still do every now and again.

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/rammstein-sonne-gif-11697625

least it ain't a small violin

[frozen ibex]

The division 3 when?

[ornate bone]

Tomorrow

Boobysoft has been hiding it in plain sight

[mighty condor]

Letar efter en svensk spelare för auric (strike team 95)

[full nebula]

what are the best blessings for the new combat knife?

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-bear-surreal-winnie-the-pooh-dream-dreamy-gif-19945629

[native cargo]

Excellent steve

[exotic portal]

haymaker/lacerate

[wooden yew]

So I know it's not meta, but I'm using a shotgun to throw bleed everywhere. Problem is, man stopper or scatter shot? One is better for target pen,other is more crits aka more bleed

[ripe quest]

Uncanny Strike + Executor/Precog. If you really want bleed for whatever reason it's Uncanny + Flesh Tearer.

[full nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-jim-carrey-gif-11035633

[ripe quest]

Flechette and Man Stopper both feel significantly better with Scattershot. What shotgun are you using?

[full nebula]

think i have lacerate 4, idk if i have much else lol, uncanny strike 3 i know

[wooden yew]

Lawbringer, while I hate it's special shell 98% of the time, for this specifically a wide spread is nice

[fading vale]

definitely scattershot

[ripe quest]

You can try a Flechette + Scattershot one then yeah.

[wooden yew]

It's what I got rn

I just tried it

[ripe quest]

If it was a Kant I'd recommend Man Stopper + Flechette and grabbing Blazing Piety

Agri and Lawby though get nice damage from Scattershot.

[wooden yew]

testing it with chain axe as well

chain axe for anti armor, shotgun for spamming into crowds of other specialds and trash

[exotic portal]

That doesn't work with a melee talent build?

[wooden yew]

wdym

im all melee bulid rn

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-man-mdr-sing-gif-7692927

ok

[wooden yew]

ive got the crit bulid on for my chain axe

so i can one tap crushers and such

[exotic portal]

main weapon melee or range

talents go both and each way

[wooden yew]

melee

[exotic portal]

pluss cruios

[wooden yew]

i dont think i have anything for my shotgun, i think just the +25% based on range. i take all hp curios

[exotic portal]

then the shotgun build is kinda bad for close range?

[wooden yew]

its not for close range exactly

its a "hey theres a fuck ton of specials and things coming at us, so lemme blast all shells and bleed it all"

if im close im getting out the chain axe to deal with it, so its a mid range shotgun

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-cringe-gif-10954047

[wooden yew]

yes yes i know

its weird and not meta

[exotic portal]

agripa kinda better then, then lawbringer

[wooden yew]

oh, i very much aware

the reason i choose the lawbringer is spread

the slug shotgun is my fav and pretty good on my vet, but its a tight spread

it's special is really a fucking duckbill attached on,so it tech doesnt make sense

[exotic portal]

Just run the spread/recoil reduction on dodge talent

[wooden yew]

no

that would literally defeat the idea

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-loser-ace-ventura-losers-ace-ventura-pet-detective-gif-13585895

[wooden yew]

if i wanted a tight spread id chose slugs

[exotic portal]

it's not a single shot and you need to dodge again

75% spread to 68?

lower and lower

[lusty turtle]

he doesn't want the reduced spread

he wants big cone

[wooden yew]

bog cone

[exotic portal]

whatever floats your boat

[wooden yew]

its an odd bulid

for fun

see, like 20 of them die in one shot

huge spread, for bleed spreading

[exotic portal]

flamer?

[wooden yew]

once agian, this isnt an optimal bulid on purpose

[ornate bone]

If you want to take two years to pull out the weapon without the knife cancel

Lawbringer crits can be pretty funny

[wooden yew]

ive got 500+hrs in the game, i know meta and such. im choosing to use something off brand to just play around basically

2 shots and this all died

[lusty turtle]

i love it with spreadshot manstopper

is funny

fire at head height, remove horde

[wooden yew]

no manstopper

[ornate bone]

It stops every man

[wooden yew]

bleed and crit chance

[lusty turtle]

bleed is better for bruisers n some of the chunkier targets

but infinite cleave funny

[ornate bone]

I wonder if scattershot's conditions change based on spread

[wooden yew]

the chain axe is for dealing with most things

well, i was doing auric malestrom seen abovr and just spam it into a group of shotgunners no problem

[exotic portal]

Only "cleave" on the new revolver is it's possibility to go through only unarmored enemies in the meat grinder

[wooden yew]

how many shots to clear yall think?

[lusty turtle]

we... aren't talking about new revolver?

[frank night]

u come in here expecting sense

how many TIMES

[lusty turtle]

u right

[frank night]

do you need to be TAUGHT

this LESSON

[lusty turtle]

2-3?

[lusty turtle]

[wooden yew]

about 5 lol

only special shot

[frank night]

do not listen to sterling

[wooden yew]

usually i use the eviscerator tho

big chain sword make brain happy

[lusty turtle]

who is sterling

[frank night]

sterling

is sterling

[lusty turtle]

who

[frank night]

sterling

[lusty turtle]

fine im leaving and never coming back

[frank night]

[wooden yew]

can u get flchette to proc during the kantral fire shotgun draginbreath shot?

like, can i get bleed and burn in 1 shot?

like, could i scatter shot + flchette + fire?

[frank night]

i thought your pfp was the cookie monster

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/unbalance-law-scale-even-equal-gif-13000576

[frank night]

i think u can

uhhhh

iirc lazorr talked about a meme build

[wooden yew]

i dont have a weapon to test it

[frank night]

with it

and manstopper flechette

on a kant

[wooden yew]

ye

why not scatter shot for more crits

cause doesnt the fire shot have pen

[exotic portal]

Someone said it went through bulwarks shield

[wooden yew]

balance will be gone! i will kill that horde of 100 pox walkers in 1 shot

im pretty sure it does

it does, just tested it

[exotic portal]

but new revolver goes through unarmored enemies only

bullshit

[wooden yew]

like 10 bulwarks lol

[fading vale]

it only bleeds everything with manstopper

[wooden yew]

i think it needs to hold 8 shots, not 5

[fading vale]

otherwise the bleed stops on the first thing a pellet hits

[exotic portal]

To even remotely compensate

[wooden yew]

thats why its on my lawbringer for its spread shot

[wooden yew]

8 shots, bigger ammo storage

[fading vale]

that's a kant only "feature"

[exotic portal]

Like bird shot vs buck shot

[wooden yew]

testing my shotgun vs like 10 ragers

[exotic portal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Z4bt6ft4hGE?si=7uyPsrXHt5D1rjaP

[wooden yew]

slow to SC but hey, it bleeds it all

there we go, lol

[west schooner]

wait. wtf?

this is my first time hearing about this

[wooden yew]

harbi, the imgs above are the lawbringer with bleed lol

[west schooner]

so crit fire shots dont bleed everything unless i have manstopper too?

[fading vale]

correct

[west schooner]

bruh, that's not intentional is it?

[fading vale]

who knows

[exotic portal]

Need a blessing for it?

But surgical on the new rev is just bullshit

[west schooner]

well, good bye flechette, im replacing u with manstopper on my vet kant shotgun

[wooden yew]

oh god, dont use the kant fr

i hate it

[fading vale]

kant is amazing

[west schooner]

i dont really us eit much

but i'd really like to make it work

[north sedge]

kant is better of the shotguns

[wooden yew]

why would u kant when u can slug

[minor sage]

well are you trying to meme

[dense field]

That defeats the purpose

[minor sage]

or are you actually trying to use it

because if you're actually trying to use it

you can use the real blessings

[fading vale]

cause the slug is kind of ass, just slap no respite and a power/damage blessing on a kant

[west schooner]

uh, it doesnt matter if it doesnt even fulfill your purpose in the first place

[wooden yew]

slug gives u a way to deal wigth anything

[exotic portal]

Same with crushers?

[dense field]

Might as well put a no respite on it

[west schooner]

at least with manstopper scattershot, kant shotgun turns into a mini kickback

[fading vale]

slug slowly shoots one thing, it's not great

[wooden yew]

the kant doesnt do enough dmg to justify the ammo

[fading vale]

it does a ton of damage though?

[wooden yew]

not really

ive tried

[fading vale]

you need no respite

almost everyone here uses a kant

[north sedge]

kant also can just clear a room

[exotic portal]

Then they might aswell just add a lighter bolter

[minor sage]

yeah a scattershot manstopper meme shotgun is just gonna be funny

but it's still gonna be bad

[wooden yew]

ive got full bore + respite on my slug and 1-2 tap most things, can slug armor for easy kills at any range. 2x the ammo, and knocks down crushers and opens bulwarks

[minor sage]

an actual properly built kant with no respite and good perks hits pretty hard

[wooden yew]

the slug 1 taps most things at really any range, and the regular shot 1-2 taps most things

[west schooner]

idk, u're talking from the pov of a zealot, i dont have a good one on the zealot

[fading vale]

or use a kant and just kill everything and shoot through bulwark shields

[west schooner]

im talking from the pov of a vet

[minor sage]

no, i've tried all of them on my vet lmao

i've tested with lawbringer manstopper

[fading vale]

there are very few people that like the agri shotgun on zealot

[minor sage]

lawbringer bleed

kant bleed

[wooden yew]

ya, so am i. vet pov

[minor sage]

it's very very mediocre lol

[wooden yew]

on zealot i cant say, but on vet, slug is god tier

[dense field]

Agri does less damage, plain and simple. There's no other way around it.

[wooden yew]

well for shotguns at least

[west schooner]

well, shotguns are mediocre in most cases

[minor sage]

slug gets outstripped very hard by revolver on vet

[fading vale]

agri is better on vet than zealot for sure

[minor sage]

basically better in every way

[west schooner]

except the stagger

[minor sage]

kant at least penetrates shields and has a dot for bosses

[ornate bone]

Agri on vet goes hard tbh

[minor sage]

revolver has insane stagger wym. it staggers crushers lol

[west schooner]

the impact is basically the only thing that agripina slug beats revolver in

[wooden yew]

on vet. only 200 more dmg point blank shot, and half the ammo

[west schooner]

cant stagger bulwark through shields

[ornate bone]

Agri's slug opens bulwarks

[west schooner]

1 tap knockdown when headshot crushers

[wooden yew]

they also knock down crushers

[minor sage]

outclassed by plasma no?

plasma does the same

[ornate bone]

Agri also still does good headshots, has good spread for longer ranges and comes with almost triple the revolver's magazine

[wooden yew]

one slug vs a rager just did 2k and insta killed it

[royal vortex]

the way more fair comparisons for an agri shotgun are v7, infantry lasgun, and bolter

[fading vale]

the agri primary fire is notably better on vet too

[dense field]

Shotguns? By far.

[royal vortex]

u put anything vs plasma and revolver and it comes out looking worse

[ornate bone]

Doesn't have stupid cleave values, but agri is a good trade

[royal vortex]

although im ngl knocking down crushers on a finesse weapon is about the farthest thing from a desirable quality

[ornate bone]

It get some of the revolver's power but gets a lot of versatility too

[royal vortex]

the stagger on agri is a problem just as much as it is beneficial

[wooden yew]

id rather have 112 shots, long range, open bulwarks, knock down crushers, maulers, etc over big spread poor fire dmg

[west schooner]

well, besides the ability to mag dump harder than a revolver once, there's not really much versatility

[ornate bone]

Kant on zealot is generally better because of dance of death

Which everyone takes for TWBS

[fading vale]

dance of death makes kant worse though?

[royal vortex]

because if u try to use it at the range u can use a v7 or infantry las suddenly gunners start disappearing behind cover and getting up 10 seconds later

dance of death doesn't affect the fire round spread afaik

[wooden yew]

the kant needs better dmg and pen

[fading vale]

buffed kant would be way too strong

[west schooner]

depends on how u look at it

[ornate bone]

I barely use fire, I just shotgun shit

[wooden yew]

i dont feel like the ammo trade and shell change is justfied

[dense field]

Nah

[royal vortex]

the thing about kant is its fkin great on zealot because the better cleave/higher base damage lets it reach 1-tap BPs on specials super easy

[fading vale]

and it's hipfire is cracked

[frank night]

it is 7pm

[royal vortex]

vet can gigaboost finesse/base ranged damage

which is why the agri is good on it

[fading vale]

kant can do literally everything for a zealot

[royal vortex]

but like there are real downsides to the agri

[frank night]

we are back to trying to make aggri vet a thing

[royal vortex]

the falloff makes sniper gunners at a distance super annoying because the stagger will put them on their ass

[frank night]

[royal vortex]

it has no cleave

basically

[fading vale]

look agri on vet isn't bad

[wooden yew]

see my beef? on vet. kant just did like 200 less dmg to the head point blank

[frank night]

[fading vale]

cause the finesse

[royal vortex]

you will go to use it like a lawbringer/kant in a horde and a couple shots just hit poxwalkers

[frank night]

steve did not sleep face down for this

[ornate bone]

Better for shooters and opening bulwarks, still retains sniping with the slug, good fire rate

[frank night]

[royal vortex]

when it comes to shotguns there's a lot of soft factors that influence it beyond standing in the psykh and reading the healthbar results

[fading vale]

shotgun blessings exist (no respite) making damn near everything a max 2 shot

or 3 shot

[wooden yew]

thats true

[steep flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605597765522685982/1193607208877948948/yt1s.com_-_nyaaing_into_the_nyight.mov?ex=65ad5456&is=659adf56&hm=e9ab74fb3265265141c793d90f6e9c305fcc738fe007611ad3515fb29c34ac8a&

[wooden yew]

but on vet at least, slugs over kant for sure

[royal vortex]

the kant also straight up just eats bulwark shield walls for breakfast

more than 2 and using the agri slug is pain

[wooden yew]

ya but the dmg is.....eh

[fading vale]

you have to max stack the burn

[royal vortex]

in some contexts

its infinite cleave

[wooden yew]

im fine opening it with a slug for me, and my team

[fading vale]

and the damage is good enough to kill bulwarks quickly

[dense field]

[royal vortex]

yea but opening 1 bulwark out of 6 that keep walking at you

doesn't actually do that much