zealot-class

[coarse birch]

it just looks cool

[wooden river]

Bb has its niche uses

[fading vale]

I would pay to see this alleged gameplay

[royal vortex]

assail allows u to do cool stuff with with action chaining

[wooden river]

But it’s not particularly exciting

[coarse birch]

i just like it for stagger

so i can be turbo aggro

[royal vortex]

like there is a technique to it u can learn and do cool stuff with whereas smite and brainburst its like

very simple

[lone pecan]

BB makes a nice sound though

[wooden river]

BB is mostly just for hitting gunners behind cover and for killing trappers and dogs who run away behind a corner

[ripe quest]

There was someone earlier doing a Lacerate knife and doing the same argument, had a video up of it

[wooden river]

It’s very one-dimensional otherwise

[coarse birch]

dude every lacerate knife defender

is like

but the horde clear

[south folio]

Psyker will eventually have mechanically engaging gameplay one day

[royal vortex]

lacerate idiots will legitimately post videos of them taking 50s to clear a horde

[ripe quest]

it ramps up Scourge guys

[royal vortex]

and say

[ripe quest]

it does it

[royal vortex]

"i three-shot it"

[fading vale]

Agent Chaos is just a very good player so they can kind of get away with whatever and they like weird or whatever shit

[royal vortex]

i know this because i have seen it

[visual stream]

BB is so much fun compared to how it used to be, but if its damage was buffed just a TINY bit to consistently hit two breakpoints I have in mind without the peril=damage talent buff, it would be so 📈📈

[royal vortex]

i dont even really care how useful brainburst is

the underlying mechanics make me wanna play anything else

[frozen glen]

😐

he blocked me for asking how lacerate is better than riposte

[ripe quest]

That's what I was saying, people like that can run any build regardless and probably top damage but it's not a testament to relative build performance

[delicate shadow]

yes 'twas a classic, knife players not knowing how to count

[royal vortex]

they should just remove lacerate

[fading vale]

ye

[coarse birch]

they should

its literally

[fading vale]

they should just remove knife

[coarse birch]

not a knife blessing

[royal vortex]

knife is fine

[coarse birch]

it is anti knife

[royal vortex]

knife is based

[ripe quest]

It could be better, because of the "could" part people regardless of skill level will just use whatever

[south folio]

lacerate is the best iq check

[spare dome]

more like lasserate cause its ass

[frozen glen]

nooooooooo i like the mk6 knife

remove the mk3

[south folio]

they should give duelling swords lacerate

[royal vortex]

but lacerate is legitimately just baiting players into doing stupid shit

[wooden river]

Knife players when they don’t realize that their kantrael shorty or flamer is doing all of the horde clear

Knife is cool

[coarse birch]

🤨

[wooden river]

The problem

[royal vortex]

give zealots dueling swords

please god

[south folio]

no bitches

[wooden river]

Is that vet is a better knife class than zealot

[ripe quest]

Arco you should get them to add that

[spare dome]

give psykers shotguns

[fading vale]

like how do you not build scourge without lacerate when knife has a bajillion attack speed

[ripe quest]

It would be so funny

[wooden river]

Give zealot DUAL swords

[coarse birch]

arco if they add lacerate to DS you have to use it

[wooden river]

there

[south folio]

:(

[frozen glen]

they should disable the ability to edit the ini files

[coarse birch]

with DD

suffer

[south folio]

they should disable you

[delicate shadow]

what difference would that make

[sage river]

Melk called me a statistic Im crying

[frozen glen]

arco wouldnt be able to play

[fading vale]

how else would arco play roblox?

[coarse birch]

i would say they should disable you but youll disable yourself with lacerate DS

so

[south folio]

jokes on you guys i'm playing on higher graphics settings currently

[sage river]

Ill do ya one better, dual CHAIN swords

[fading vale]

what with 5 fps

[south folio]

at least 2 digits

[wooden river]

I still want dual axes

[bronze crow]

Holy shit I did it

[south folio]

hell yeah dual weapons

[bronze crow]

I one shot a DH

[sage river]

Also idk how or why but portrait rendering nukes the fps

[coarse birch]

arco misses the infinite smite FPS

[wooden river]

Whether that’s dual tac axes or dual chain axes, I don’t know

[bronze crow]

and actually clutched

[frozen glen]

arco playing fable 2 on 1366x768

[south folio]

fable 2 on 1080p

[wooden river]

I just want to become Slayer

[fading vale]

I do not want dual weapons in DT cause I know fatshark is gonna make them braindead and dumb as fuck

[wooden river]

It’s okay we already have caxes

[coarse birch]

they do that with the other weapons anyway

[wooden river]

And hsword

Yeah exactly

[fading vale]

[south folio]

swish swoosh

[royal vortex]

i dont really want dual weapons i want them to add more 40k unique stuff

[fading vale]

but hey I also hate caxe and hsword so at least I'm consistent

[frozen glen]

still no 2h axe

[royal vortex]

2handed chaxe and whatnot

[coarse birch]

i havent used caxe since pre patch 13

[ripe quest]

hmm the Mk IV Chaxe and the Mk XV Evis have just about the same exact crowd performance

[wooden river]

You are going to join a lobby with three dual devil claw zealots and you will like it

[south folio]

double parry

[coarse birch]

one shots everything

[fading vale]

the rashad is just..... unforgivable

[coarse birch]

or is randomly dogshit for no reason

[wooden river]

hell yeah

[coarse birch]

one or the other

[visual stream]

Still no power greatsword

[south folio]

5.4x weakspot damage on dual wielding devil claws

[fading vale]

light spam the weapon

[wooden river]

The first mark will be ass

[visual stream]

Idk and Idc if that exists in lore, make it up

[wooden river]

Then the other two marks will be great

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt mind lightspam on rashad if the heavy didnt also kill everything

[ripe quest]

Duellist giving it a 13x crit multiplier

[south folio]

hell yeah

precognition dual wield devil claws

[wooden river]

Rashad only really commits war crimes because of bromentum

[fading vale]

hey they didn't follow the mark trend with revolver, zarona OP and agri mid at best

[coarse birch]

precog + duellist + BM

[wooden river]

True

[south folio]

so true devil claws are missing brutal momentum

they should also get uncanny strike

[fading vale]

if anything actually needs to be deleted it's BM

[elfin atlas]

what are the best blessings on knife then? i use uncanny and flesh tearer

[frozen glen]

tbh they should put brutal momentum on every weapon fr imo

even the ranged weapons

[polar nexus]

except maniacs

[ripe quest]

It's so goofy that it's so close to being the better revolver for big Elites but then they lowered the damage it does per shot

[fading vale]

uncanny flesh tearer is OK, usually uncanny precog is recommended but if you want to bleed then uncanny flesh tearer is the way

[coarse birch]

yeah i use uncanny flesh cause i got stuck with flesh

[royal vortex]

ok the crusher guide now has a section for stats

[elfin atlas]

gotcha, i usually play bleed so yea. but will look at precog never tried that

[coarse birch]

but its fine

[polar nexus]

fuck yeah, illisis has everything: shred, uncanny, deflector, power blessings..

[royal vortex]

the ppl will know the secrets of the crowd control dumpstat

[polar nexus]

it's like a christmas store

[coarse birch]

is crusher like the easiest weapon to make then

it has so many things you can run

and stats arent crazy eitehr

[royal vortex]

one of the easiest yes

[wooden river]

The fact that Crusher only needs one Blessing also helps

[spare talon]

when will they fix phasing into enemies

[coarse birch]

recon is also really easy but its recon so

[spare talon]

its really fun when i get physically stuck in the same space as an enemy and just cannot move

[fading vale]

me when I fight a DH on hammer trying to find it and going insane

[royal vortex]

never probably

[spare talon]

i was just fighing 3 maulers, no issue
then im stuck inside one of them
and i am just helpless

full hp to nothing

[wooden river]

Nothing is more dangerous than fighting near a wall

Then suddenly three bulwarks climb over and drop on you

[royal vortex]

the skullcrusher buff to 80% also helps with this

[wooden river]

And now you can’t move because you’re stuck in a mass of very smelly meat

[royal vortex]

because u just

put the guy on the ground

suddenly ur doing basically 2x the damage

[coarse birch]

yeah the stagger + damage

will always help

[fading vale]

would be absolutely busted if it wasn't specific stagger states for a limited time

[royal vortex]

oh yea it'd be even worse than old slaught basically

[coarse birch]

yeah that would be nuts

[royal vortex]

although tbf as it stands i think the stack application might be a little too generous

well not application but linger

[lone pecan]

Let them, I have a crusher

[coarse birch]

would apply to like crushers better too

[visual stream]

bulwark patrol
they aggro onto a teammate behind me
half-way through, they remember I exist
360 degrees of shield

[royal vortex]

since the stacks stay up for 5s

but idt anyone is really going "damn these crushers are putting out too much damage"

[fading vale]

force field shields will always be annoying

[north sedge]

it's too bad there's only 1 blessing for skullcrusher.....thunderstrike

[royal vortex]

[coarse birch]

and one weapon that even wants it

[royal vortex]

thunderstrike could be cool i think

[north sedge]

(also i dont like that people think only skullcrusher matters, stagger actually matters for it!)

[royal vortex]

but it's never competitive with 100%+ impact as a self-buff

[south folio]

THUNDERSTRIKE

[fading vale]

fatshark has good hitboxes on so much stuff, WHY ARE SHIELDS SO HARD

[visual stream]

I'm so glad they gave them a full body shield visually instead of shield-rats in vermintide having a fucking triangular, buckler-sized shield that blocks ANYTHING from the front

[royal vortex]

i mean this is flat out wrong if you start doing stagger BP analysis to any real degree

[south folio]

i hate it when bulwarks look like their guard is open but you shoot and see a blue hitmarker :)

[royal vortex]

because without +impact you are jumping through specific hoops to stagger stuff

[visual stream]

Granted, the sides are still annoying but it's better than VT

[royal vortex]

and with it it's much more reliable

which enables more dynamic combo-usage

[open pollen]

I was out punching my punching bag, and a thought occured to me. I would really like to own one of those arcade/child casino games where you throw balls to knock down clowns.

[royal vortex]

otherwise you get locked way more into activation (or H2) spam

[south folio]

what did clowns do to you

[fading vale]

I tried VT2, ran into shield vermin, and then wanted to punch something cause they work like bulwarks

[wooden river]

The saving grace with shield rats is that you can double shove them to open their guard

Can’t do that to bulwarks

[fading vale]

I was like oh I can see their heads, surely I can headshot them with a rapier

[open pollen]

Nothing personal, I like clowns. But I also like throwing balls really hard and I don't know if they come in non-clown variants

[fading vale]

lul no

[frozen glen]

as long as bulwarks continue to be stupid bs while packed together i will continue to use immo nade and kant

[south folio]

bulwarks spawning in groups of 10 is such bullshit

[open pollen]

I wish we had human variants of bulwarks.

[fading vale]

silent net goes through all of them

[south folio]

they really motivate me to go back on psyker just so that i have trauma

[royal vortex]

crusher crusher crusher crusher crushgersh jgl.fjhgdfjknh

[spare talon]

its really fun sending ragers and maulers flying with nothing but uncharged light attacks

[south folio]

you're a sick bastard

a person who is sick and a bastard

[open pollen]

Honestly, it's just their shield bash that causes me ire.

[frozen glen]

he is bottom hornyposting but for a fictional weapon

[royal vortex]

special light -> l2 -> h1 will normally halt the phalanx and let u kill the bulwark

[south folio]

gambling whether they'll bash you or open their guard

[royal vortex]

(if ur cool and have +unyielding)

[fading vale]

the 1 frame shield bash is uh, weird

[frosty herald]

Hey josho

New crusher variant

[visual stream]

This so much

[royal vortex]

i wish

[open pollen]

Would be Darktide without some gambling

[spare talon]

does it even deal any damage
ive never noticed

[royal vortex]

the mpandex variant has a cool datamined model

[open pollen]

Roll them bones!

[frozen glen]

it deletes ur toughness

[open pollen]

[frozen glen]

and ur stamina

[royal vortex]

i want the new crusher variant to track where you are in your combo when you activate

[frozen glen]

if u blockk

[south folio]

wish we could do a push to counter the shield bash

[open pollen]

Oh, like the hammers do?

[fading vale]

it didn't do damage at one point but now it does again

[royal vortex]

yea

[median crow]

you guys excited for our cosmetic shop refresh tomorrow

I can't wait to be futher disappointed

[spare talon]

no

[open pollen]

Surprised that's not how the crusher works

[south folio]

does the shield bash do damage?

[royal vortex]

the old one not tracking is fine imo but to differentiate the gameplay it'd be cool

[spare talon]

i already have all of the cosmetics i need

aka

hobodrip

[south folio]

i thought they removed the damage and now all it does is guardbreak you if you're blocking

[frozen glen]

arco

read

[frosty herald]

The crusher is legit a peak monk weapon

[south folio]

no

[open pollen]

Also, upset the crusher's called crusher and it isn't the crusher's crusher it's just a paul.

[visual stream]

Especially in a horde game that is already NOT forgiving with having even a tiny bit of distance between you and an enemy for the purpose of landing your melee attacks, and their recoil animations make them lean backwards 💀

[fading vale]

pretty sure it does do damage again but idk for sure

[royal vortex]

it should toughness strip

[spare talon]

ill literally check now

[royal vortex]

i lied

[south folio]

dum bith

[fading vale]

I'll strip your toughness

[royal vortex]

it is just pushing me

[hushed knoll]

HI ARCO

HI JOSHO

[royal vortex]

it is not taking the toughness

[south folio]

hi stan

[frosty herald]

I just want my greatsword

[hushed knoll]

I had rice pudding I am so hyper

[royal vortex]

ur not a pre patch 15 bomber

no sir

hello stan

[south folio]

any amount of carbs seems to make you hyper

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-awkward-smile-gif-12019750733995365253

[fading vale]

stan the man who gets hyper eating garlic

[frosty herald]

Also why did fatshark post another carnival image

[median crow]

a soilitary carbohydrate:

[spare talon]

it does 0 damage, but deletes stamina if blocking

[hushed knoll]

I feel like I could run up a mountain of soft sand

[fading vale]

I see I see

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

also i think the shield bash is based on proximity @south folio

[south folio]

alas, a mountain of hard sand is insurmountable

[hushed knoll]

I ate garlic lentil soup earlier

[south folio]

yeah they seem to do it more if you're closer

[royal vortex]

it deterministically happens if u spawn it right in ur face

[hushed knoll]

Hard sand doesn't exist

[spare talon]

it also staggers, but twbs cancels that

[hushed knoll]

Hi do you want to go to the Assam library

[south folio]

no kidnapping please

[frozen glen]

wat da hell

[hushed knoll]

Dough isn't a kid

[south folio]

or coercion

[royal vortex]

i realize now the guide doesn't explicitly state that 1. you shouldn't lightspam and 2. you should hit headshots

i must remedy this

[south folio]

tragic

[fading vale]

headshots are for noobs thats why I run lacerate

[hushed knoll]

Josho when will York write a knish gif

[fading vale]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

[hushed knoll]

You write a knife guide*

[royal vortex]

"when will you write a knife guide"?

I SPEAK STAN

[hushed knoll]

When will you write a knife guide

[placid fiber]

Jeeze, you two were stripping and I wasn't inv- wait...

[south folio]

york from deadly premonition!!!??? whoa!!!

[royal vortex]

uhhh

[placid fiber]

[frosty herald]

Erm

Write a taxe guide

[royal vortex]

ive put like 80-ish truelevels into using crusher

and i feel confident that i can talk about how to use it with authority

knife not so much

[hushed knoll]

Josho seemed to understand t

It

[placid fiber]

I think I worded that wrong...

[spare talon]

this is the goofiest shit

[fading vale]

I love when people tell me crucis is just braindead heavy spam like earlier today

[hushed knoll]

I'm laying down but my legs won't stop moving @north sedge

[royal vortex]

if i wrote a knife guide i would be reguritating stuff i remember crab talking about and that's about it

[frozen glen]

i put 150 levels into knife since patch 13 but im not the josho guide type

[south folio]

rumbled and tumbled

[north sedge]

dont swing that way stan im sorry

[royal vortex]

😔

[hushed knoll]

tf

[fading vale]

"ironhelm has a much more complex moveset"

[royal vortex]

dude ppl weren't there when crucis had faster bruiser clear time using fkin lights

[sharp zodiac]

Write a revolver guide

[royal vortex]

they don't get it.

[median crow]

lazorr where is the hammer guide

[sharp zodiac]

Nvm I'll do it

[royal vortex]

i'll give them some credit now, the overhead is actually kind of useful because they made it deal more damage than the horizontal swings (still less than crucis)

[ripe quest]

Every good player that focuses a weapon should write a guide specific to that weapon lol

[sharp zodiac]

Step 1. Put on handcannon

2. If you don't have handcannon get handcannon

3. Put on surgical (or crucian if you're going new revolv)

4. Enjoy

5. Shoot heads

[placid fiber]

Lazorr, did you know that the ironhelm is just braindead special heavy 1 and 2-ing?

[sharp zodiac]

I hope you guys enjoyed my revolver guide

[royal vortex]

but like, the ironhelm is just activated heavy most of the time anyways

[hushed knoll]

Hammer players are SO BAD

[royal vortex]

it's a clunkier psword with easier boss damage

[sage river]

Bro is malding

[fading vale]

If I had the willpower to write something I would have already, but I gave up on that

[hushed knoll]

Hammer players just need to git gud

[royal vortex]

i've thought about taking a crack at a general zealot guide at this point

the updates have slowed down enough for it

[hushed knoll]

Can I be a co-author

[royal vortex]

no, stan

[frozen glen]

zealot guide coming soon after the 5 delays

[frosty herald]

Watch vets die constantly with the power greatsword

[hushed knoll]

Why not

[ripe quest]

Written entirely in comic sans

[hushed knoll]

I could offer valuable insight

[fading vale]

stan the only ranged you can use is a revolver

[median steeple]

holy moly

[hushed knoll]

I am good with many weapons

[sage river]

HEHEHEHA

[frozen glen]

graphics design is my passion

[median crow]

nice

[hushed knoll]

I prefer sans sherrif

[hushed knoll]

Serif

[royal vortex]

pog

[median crow]

swap infested and quickflame once overpressure works

[hushed knoll]

Or hower you spell it

Serrif?

Sans sherif?

[spare talon]

i also do find it funny that taxes can innately do this

[north sedge]

sans sherif yea

absolutely

[visual stream]

What is it I don't have service

[ripe quest]

Taxes can stagger any non-boss with a special

[royal vortex]

the problem with writing the zealot guide™️ is that i would have to use a taxe

[sage river]

0-deaths exist in this game?

[north sedge]

papyrus

[hushed knoll]

What is it actually called

[royal vortex]

muties on headshot too, right?

[ripe quest]

Yeah

[north sedge]

Sans Serif

[ripe quest]

Though that isn't unique to Taxe

[median crow]

Does anyone know what time of day exactly the cosmetic refresh is?

[royal vortex]

yea ds/shovel can also

iirc

[frozen glen]

wat da hell the uppercut looks so weird

[ripe quest]

Caxe can as well

Needs some +Impact though

[royal vortex]

i see

[spare talon]

im aware
i just find it funny that a tiny little axe can do something that most weapons cant or need specific requirements for

[placid fiber]

Yeah, you don't look like the type to benefit off of taxes...

[visual stream]

Would never try to undertake a whole zealot guide, though I might do one for Ironhelm at some point, but yeah axes are so borrringgg

[sage river]

Theres 5 operative slots, and 4 different classes

🤔

[frozen glen]

the 5th class is gonna be zola genestealer

[visual stream]

Ratling next 🔥🔥⁉️

[ripe quest]

Josho your homemade crusher guide is on the first page just for you

[royal vortex]

[visual stream]

Nah jk that's already been shot down by devs

[spare talon]

what is this and why is it in comic sans

[ripe quest]

The plot of Undertale

[spare talon]

story of undertale

[placid fiber]

Idk about that, but, I followed through with my plan from earlier. Fuck having 2 vets, idk why I wanted to hurt myself like that...

[sage river]

Speaking honestly I think the next class would have to be some kind of Bardin/Kruber-esque class

[ripe quest]

Ogryn is right there

[frozen glen]

needs a 5th zealot

[north sedge]

We already have that stuff

Vet has kruber shout basically

[placid fiber]

I really should have 8 zealots, tbh...

smh...

[ripe quest]

All the V2 base classes are in in some way

[royal vortex]

they rearranged a lot of the vt2 classes tbf

skullbreaker charge works very similar to footknight's for instance

[sage river]

We already have a zealot, a witch, a ranged focus class, and ogryn

I dont think we'll get another of any of those

[frozen glen]

i need gk ult

[royal vortex]

no u dont

[frozen glen]

i want it

[royal vortex]

bad

[north sedge]

I need cookie

[hushed knoll]

Are you gonna be a honse

With a feed bag

[sage river]

So likely if there is another class itll either be a generalist or melee focus

[placid fiber]

Okay, hear me out... what about... a sister of the thorns ult but with the aoe version instead of the wall...

[visual stream]

I feel like Kruber and Bardin are the two characters who were translated into DT the most, no?

[north sedge]

No that's your lane

[hushed knoll]

No

[visual stream]

Other than Saltz zealot almost going bar-for-bar with our zealot lol

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/gingerbread-man-ginerbread-jschlatt-day-n-night-cursed-gif-24003618

[sage river]

Yeah I guess, but more through seeping into classes rather than basically being the same thing

[hushed knoll]

That cookie has nice plush lips

[royal vortex]

saltz zealot and p12- zealot were p damn identical

[sage river]

I mean zealot and psyker have pretty clear inspiration, whereas vet and ogryn could be any of the other 3 because theyre all very similar

[maiden path]

when new hair

[visual stream]

Exactly

[ornate bone]

the kind of thing that makes a british teen go "oi bruv wot de ell"

[royal vortex]

which kinda sucked because for the longest time u couldnt really grab significant DR for marty

[sage river]

Maybe they'll be creative and put in something completely new

[median crow]

Should I just settle for this? Or should I try and get a better damage stat one?

[frozen glen]

settle

[royal vortex]

which meant actually playing it like saltz was uh

[ripe quest]

DR on crit totally

[royal vortex]

not good

[royal vortex]

that's v good

[frozen glen]

thats a hella good ironhelm

[ripe quest]

Was so funny until it was nerfed

[royal vortex]

i'd probs swap maniac for +elites, and then you can leave slaught as is for future proofing

[placid fiber]

it was the sucky version of vt2 zealot

[royal vortex]

actually

kinda depends there

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/felix-felix-re-zero-felix-argyle-ferris-ferris-argyle-gif-22936723

[royal vortex]

cuz i think with +flak u can hit an easier one shot bp on maulers (still need setup)

[visual stream]

Decent, decent

[royal vortex]

+unyielding is probably better generally

[frozen glen]

wat da hell

[royal vortex]

asrGHK:NFJBN/KSZDT:GHNB;'ikhfgjmn

solidarity

[sage river]

So if there is a 5th class, what do yall think itll be?

[frozen glen]

pls speak english

[royal vortex]

admech

[frozen glen]

ur in america

[median crow]

I have three potential challengers

[ripe quest]

AdMech

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-risk-of-rain-returns-drifter-risk-of-rain-returns-risk-of-rain-returns-drifter-gif-17792526599931004715

[ornate bone]

my mom

[ripe quest]

They have all of the V2 DLC classes to copy paste into AdMech

[visual stream]

I personally don't do unyielding because I can live with doing a few more hits to kill bosses if it means I can hit other, more common BPs

[frozen glen]

i need to try out rorr

[sage river]

Adeptus Mechanicus would definitely be cool

[placid fiber]

Actually... this would explain why Josho hits so many random keys so quickly...

[frozen glen]

let the cycle be discontinued

[sage river]

Watch them do the dumbest thing ever and put a space marine class in

[median crow]

so then maniac to unyeilding?

[visual stream]

I just want the Ion titan from TF2 as a human-sized being for Admech. That would be quite nice

[visual stream]

Nah, they're actually understandably on the marine hate train

[sage river]

Thats good, but desperation is a hell of a drug

[royal vortex]

yea. comes down to personal preference though generally

[placid fiber]

Oh, and... BEHOLD: 13 shrines of the mountain

[median crow]

rest in peace challenger

[royal vortex]

thinking about it you probs don't need +elites to hit the one tap BP on ragers anymore

since they nerfed the hp from 2400 to 2000

[visual stream]

They nerfed rager hp? When

[jaunty lava]

Few patches ago

[royal vortex]

like patch 15 or so

[placid fiber]

When are they gonna nerf zealot toughness amounts, again? :/

[visual stream]

I need to keep up with patches more

[median crow]

I'll try it with unyielding then

Ive never actually used an ironhelm before

[placid fiber]

Zealots being able to have over 200 toughness is a bit excessive lol

[ripe quest]

No I think I'll keep being able to toughness tank sniper shots

[median crow]

I wonder if certain parts of my crucius build are incompatible with it

[sage river]

Honestly just remove zealot toughness and give them a ton of damage resistance

[median crow]

are the builds mostly 1:1?

for ironhelm/crucius

[ripe quest]

That would be the most annoying shit ever

[visual stream]

Nah, should be mostly the same effectiveness since it's roughly same niche of weapon

[sage river]

exactly

[ripe quest]

Anyone below a good player would just guzzle bullets and medicae

[brisk raft]

I'd guzzle your bullets and medicae~

[sage river]

Solution: give them buffs at low health and with wounds, rather than letting them ever use medicae

[jaunty lava]

I think i just witnessed the stupidest clutch ever. The guy just got launched into the raptor platform and hid from gunner until the ship arrived

[sage river]

The god emperor protects, they literally just get screwed over if they arent zealous enough

[zealous seal]

Is this worth buying from Melk?

Any potential?

[open pollen]

If ya'll could add a new Elite enemy, what would it be like?

[north sedge]

made of cookie

[mighty kelp]

Packmaster

Actually wouldn't be that bad I believe

[ornate bone]

Depending on the game's systems, there can be some ideas

[mighty kelp]

Kinda of bricked since both perks are kinda ass

[ornate bone]

The rioter in KF2 is armored above the waist, for example

[mighty kelp]

Honestly could see some flying units

Which would be real annoying

[sage river]

Burrrrd

[zealous seal]

We need an enemy Psyker. Could almost do anything with that.

[tame breach]

Sounds like a Tzeench thing.

[tame breach]

Then the enemy psyker just brain burst the entire team lol. Pretty funny.

Na it would probably have something cool to support the enemys. Their own wall thing maybe?

[fading vale]

something more focused on corruption potentially with area denial

[zealous seal]

What should I do with this Ironhelm? First time using one. Only thing I know is that it needs Thrust.

[hushed knoll]

Why are you fixated on cookies tonight

[north sedge]

it's my default to whenever people start wishing for weird shit in this game

[royal vortex]

ur weird shit

smh

[spare talon]

ogryn walks next to demonhost
"how did i trigger her???"

[hushed knoll]

You take that back

[royal vortex]

No.

[hushed knoll]

Or I stg I'll use this

[open pollen]

Ogryn walks up and shouts

"YOU ARE TERRIBLE HOST"

Made her cry :c

[buoyant pecan]

"My momma said knock you out"

[fading vale]

replace both blessings, thrust and slaughterer/headtaker, look for a better one

[hushed knoll]

What did you have for dinner tonight

[polar nexus]

Knife momentum is too fast, I zoom past my targets and miss then

[fading vale]

I just ordered a sushi burrito

[zealous seal]

Whats the "ideal" Ironhelm look like? Thrust 4 and Slaughterer/Headtaker 4, but what perks?

[spare talon]

you need a celery stim and go so fast you circle back to hitting them again

[hushed knoll]

What is a sushi burrito

[fading vale]

flak unyielding

[zealous seal]

Gotcha. I'll continue the grind. Thanks!

[fading vale]

it's like a burrito sized sushi roll with more stuff

[hushed knoll]

Oh I thought it was sushi pieces in a tortilla lmao

Not a bad idea tbh

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[hushed knoll]

Hi wutfish

[safe coral]

what are the blessing u want on flamer?

[hushed knoll]

Sushi in a tortilla is like the same as a fish taco tbh

[fading vale]

blaze away and whatever cause overpressure is bugged

[fading vale]

not remotely similar but ok

[hushed knoll]

Laz we should do a recipe swap

[fading vale]

I'll let you know when I want to make a suicide pact

[north sedge]

blaze away + whatever, overpressure if they fix it

[hushed knoll]

How wrude

Rueig

Rude

We should do Darktide server test kitchen

[safe coral]

ty

[north sedge]

You'll Rueig the day you crossed staniel

[hushed knoll]

We all come upw ith recipes for each other

And then we have a potluck

[fading vale]

I feel like corpse starch might taste better than your food

[vague depot]

what should i replace for rampage/shred/bloodthirsty

[spare talon]

i will make fried rock

[hushed knoll]

I make banging soups Laz

[north sedge]

chaxe does not get rampage

[vague depot]

also if im trying to get as many crits as possible for cdr should i be doing lights or revved heavies

[north sedge]

and bt is not great

[hushed knoll]

[spiral anvil]

You would want headtaker/thrust

[north sedge]

chaxe is straight up not a great crit weapon

[vague depot]

WHAT

I BEEN LIED TO

[fading vale]

thunderous to headtaker or thrust

[spiral anvil]

I think it's changed

[vague depot]

please tell me its changed

[fading vale]

no

[vague depot]

i had at least 3 people tell me it was good for crits

[spiral anvil]

No? well

[north sedge]

who the hell did that

[spiral anvil]

There was this big chainaxe update I guess finesse didn't get changed

[vague depot]

so you telling me i just spent 2k+ plasti for nothing

[fading vale]

go for thrust for the 1 shot crusher chaxe

[spiral anvil]

Chainaxe still good though

[onyx solar]

welcome to darktide

[vague depot]

ok what weapon do i want for crit spam

[spiral anvil]

Just don't build crit, which you didn't, so it's fine

[fading vale]

hey you could be that guy that spent 20k plasteel rolling for blaze 4

[vague depot]

gg

[north sedge]

dclaw, evis, chord for crit spam

[worldly bramble]

Hmmm... 🤔

[vague depot]

only built weapon i have rn is the xv evis

[ripe quest]

All three of them are dumb as bricks

[vague depot]

wallahi

[fleet zealot]

all three

[still quartz]

ChainAxe for Crit not that good cause it don't got Shred as a Blessing

[ripe quest]

The Chaxe already 1 shots Crushers with power blessings, crit is either used for crit CDR with a high cleave weapon or to hit a BP and Chaxe doesn't need either.

[fleet zealot]

or good crit scaling

[vague depot]

ill use evis then

[still quartz]

Ja

[fading vale]

people tend to see the word crit and go ERMAGERD

without understanding

[spare dome]

i mean

its not unreasonable to assume crit = 2x damage

but ain't like dat

[fading vale]

and cleave/cleave damage is hard to understand in this game

[south folio]

crit dmg multipliers falling off with targets hit 🥲

[north sedge]

crit is the absolute dmg monster and so on just like bleed (go marty or momentum if you're after dmg)

[south folio]

where's my god damn glossary

[worthy blaze]

Is there a zealot build area?

[fading vale]

there's a build thread but idk the state of it

or you can make a build and then post it here for advice

[spiral anvil]

I think the build thread generally has great advice

[hallow hatch]

had to do it

[worthy blaze]

This is my build, but i'm not sure if it's my weapons and curious that are the issue or what, but i'm feeling like i'm just not doing any damage

[daring hazel]

What to do, what to do.

[spare talon]

well for one, your sword could have headtaker or rampage for a big jump in damage alongside that deathblow, plus better perks on both weapons

[edgy ridge]

Does Scattershot trigger off of a single enemy to get one stack of +12% crit, or does it need to hit multiple enemies to activate?

[spare talon]

per enemy hit, meaning you can get 60% crit chance on your next shot by hitting 5 enemies

[spare talon]

plus i would never use inspiring barrage

[fading vale]

yeah your weapons need work

[worthy blaze]

upgraded the sword the rest of the way, and this is where it ended up

[edgy ridge]

yes, but if I'm fighting a boss and only hitting a single enemy, do I still get uptime on the perk?

[daring hazel]

I feel mostly OK about it.

[fading vale]

right now scattershot is kind of bugged so it uses the cleave list, as long as there are 5 enemies in the line of fire it will build 5 stacks

[spare talon]

you would basically get 12% flat assuming you dont miss a shot

[daring hazel]

But I also feel broke mat wise

[fading vale]

basically perfect except for unarmored instead of flak, should work well though

[daring hazel]

oh I know. I have a similar one on my vet but 550 with flak/unarmored as a "fuck you, shooters" gun.

but I definitely need some help on my melee weapons

[north sedge]

wrath to headtaker, crit dmg to flak

[spare talon]

replacing crit melee damage for flak and wrath with headtaker or rampage would be the way to go until you can get a better one
its a decent weapon, good base and able to have good blessings on it, but the margin for improvement is still large enough to keep looking out for another

[daring hazel]

My other melee weapon.
But Lazorr what do you recommend doing with those evics. my only resource not in low supply is milk coins

[fading vale]

I'm eating dinner, maybe someone else can help

[edgy ridge]

ty, I don't think it shows the singular stack, so I'll probably submit a bug report after checking my game without mods

[worthy blaze]

Does the blessing have to come from another heavy sword? I took it off of an XV evi and it isn't in the list for re-bless on the sword

[edgy ridge]

unfortunately, yes

[worthy blaze]

oof

[daring hazel]

Perk priority/salvagability? Not looking for godly

Flak or Maniac is my guess

[edgy ridge]

weapon types have to share a blessing pool to share earned blessings, so all heavy swords are together, evis, combat axes, etc.

[worthy blaze]

brutal

[minor sage]

worry not

they'll probably improve crafting as their next big update

[worthy blaze]

This is the other one I have, is it any good?

[minor sage]

so expect crafting to be improved by april/may i estimate

i'm expecting 2 big updates in 2024

crafting system rework; potentially adding a new grindy system, in april/may

[edgy ridge]

stop, don't get my hopes up

[minor sage]

and anniversary update in october/nov with new weapons maybe new class

[split sable]

yo does until death straight up not work for yall?

[edgy ridge]

not having any issues with it, what's going on with yours?

[jaunty lava]

No issues either

[north sedge]

i mean thats entirely speculation

[split sable]

I just ran a mission, i didn't take any fatal damage and then a chaos spawn came in and i got grabbed by a mutant and it slammed me and i went down without it triggering

[ripe quest]

I saw the "The Meta Zealot Build" that has bleed knife on gameslantern being recommended and I got out of there

[old badger]

It doesn't work if you're immobilized afaik

[split sable]

if so, that makes sense. didn't know that

[edgy ridge]

probably a bug if anything

[old badger]

Nah not a bug

it doesn't work when you die from a hound or in a trapper net either

[edgy ridge]

doesn't it still work when immobilized?

[old badger]

not that ive noticed

i always just go down when im immobilized

[minor sage]

i thought it still works

when you're immo

you just can't do anything

[split sable]

it didn't for me. ill see if it happens this run

[edgy ridge]

I've gotten downed in a trapper net, flamed by a flamer, and then it still works

[minor sage]

while you're at 1hp

[old badger]

maybe ive just had it on cooldown when ive gone down while immo, or didnt notice

[edgy ridge]

I'll die when it ends though, so it really only prolongs the inevitable

I think the mutant grab and slam is long enough that if it procs right before the grab the mutant will kill you after it ends

don't have the numbers though, but that or it being on cooldown is most likely imo

[ornate bone]

I watched a psyker take out their staff once during the match, and I didn't see the melee weapon at all

But benefit of the doubt

[old badger]

psyker moment

[ornate bone]

Maybe they accidentally pressed 1 when I wasn't looking

[edgy ridge]

when the god-emperor blesses the empowere psionics assail psyker with godly rng

[ornate bone]

Saved me from like 7 maulers doing that, but I don't think it makes up for the other idfk how many minutes I saw that purple lightning come out at poxwalkers

And you know what

You wanna fucking know what

The guy had fire shriek

And I saw him shriek once

[edgy ridge]

lol

[old badger]

lightning on poxwalkers and poxbursters is great

[plucky sparrow]

the staff is the only weapon you need fr fr, ranged damage and varying secondary attack, + bonk on special attack

[old badger]

I play psyker for crowd control mostly

[edgy ridge]

look, I just want a Blaze Force Hammer for psyker

is that too much to ask for?

[plucky sparrow]

yes

[edgy ridge]

:(

[ornate bone]

I control the crowds by sanctioned murder

[edgy ridge]

death is the best form of cc, indeed

[plucky sparrow]

control the crowds by removing the crowds from existence

[old badger]

All I'm sayin is, on a damnation hi int shock troop gauntlet, a good psyker with smite comes in real fuckin handy

[edgy ridge]

very true, but a bad psyker with smite gets old pretty fast

[old badger]

Also valid

I like to think I'm a good smite psyker. I use my staff more than the smite

[edgy ridge]

the pain of a psyker never ending smite early to get the push

[old badger]

realll

[edgy ridge]

stop letting your peril max out and get the extra cc I'm begging you

[ornate bone]

Homies be like "I'm doing a support build" when I do the same thing any smite psyker does by simply shoving smite in a DPS build

[old badger]

I always cut my smite off just before I max

[edgy ridge]

and don't smite the 3 poxwalkers :v

[old badger]

sometimes I smite the 3 poxwalkers because it amuses me

[edgy ridge]

fairs

[old badger]

I derive some sort of sick pleasure from it

[ornate bone]

The absolute state of the Imperium of Man

[old badger]

Psyker has gotten kinda boring to me though. I can't get an assail build I like, brain burst is just dog shit, and my psyker is so fucking SLOW

[edgy ridge]

it's like ogryns slapping

[old badger]

Idk why but my psyker has very little stamina and sprints at my zealot's running pace

I've been zelpilled

[minor sage]

try my assail build

with knife revolver

[plucky sparrow]

ogryn slap/punch special attack should do at least the same dmg as light attack for sillies

[old badger]

I don't think the issue is my talents dis, but rather the shit I'm pairing with it

[minor sage]

heh probably

[old badger]

I am stuck upon my staff+force sword combo

[minor sage]

ah yeah that's gonna be slow 😛

[old badger]

Even with my blitz out he slow as hell

[polar nexus]

CommissarTyr said something about blessings

[old badger]

Which blitzes usually make u quick

[minor sage]

none of them lol

your base weapon makes you quick

[ornate bone]

Thy Mind In Motion

[old badger]

Before I swapped to my revolver on zealot, my blitz was faster than my ranged

[north sedge]

dueling sword 4 go zoom

[old badger]

now that I run my revolver, my zealot be zoomin

I play zealot like every other marty zealot. Like a methhead who just did 4 lines of coke and an acrobatics warmup

[spare talon]

my game just crashed on this screen

[old badger]

heya cole

[edgy ridge]

no, don't you dare

I want to beat the enemy to death by slapping them a thousand times

you can't take this from me

I need it

[old badger]

ogryn slap special should do as much dmg as the nuke

[edgy ridge]

it's not about efficiency, it's about sending a message

[plucky sparrow]

slap/punch special attack should apply permanent brittleness

[old badger]

slappunch should instakill a daemonhost

change my mind

specifically the daemonhost

For the comedic effect of, quite literally, bitch slapping a daemon back to hell

[fiery ingot]

the ogryn slap is so satisfying to land

[old badger]

"RETURN FROM WHENCE YE CAME"

[spare talon]

it is done

[edgy ridge]

no, we should be able to backhand bitch-slap daemonhosts off of cliffs, nothing more nothing less

[spare talon]

the silly hand charm

[fiery ingot]

that sound effect is nutty

[edgy ridge]

you smack it, and it goes flying, like a mutant struck by a rock

[plucky sparrow]

wait am i stupid, why do you have an entire sword for a charm

[spare talon]

default

[plucky sparrow]

OH

[edgy ridge]

omg, new class?

[plucky sparrow]

cant be headshot if you got no head

[spare talon]

i now have every single earnable charm

[polar nexus]

You have 2 choices. Change both perks and keep the blessings or keep reload speed and change one blessing. Pinning fire + shattering impact still works against crushers but if you use the chastise blitz I would go surgical + pinning fire

[zinc talon]

pretty sure I do too, and excluding the commissary I have most all the cosmetics too

https://tenor.com/view/ash-ketchum-pokemon-gotta-catch-gif-26030418

feelsgoodman

[spare talon]

the ones im missing now are specific class ones like ogryn since i never play ogryn really, and mission ones like 250 of x mission

[ripe quest]

Lots of blessing stuff is popping up in the files.

Much like how there was a Boltpistol and DB model put into the files a bit ago

[zinc talon]

are n't those portrait frames tho, for the mission count

[spare talon]

yeah

[zinc talon]

rgr

[polar nexus]

Ok so it's time to hoard plasteel and not craft...

[zinc talon]

only have a few of those

[ripe quest]

I wouldn't do that

[zinc talon]

heh one of em is like

[ripe quest]

No clue when anything gets implemented

[zinc talon]

still at the 'complete 100' stage

cuz the mission sucks

[spare talon]

either power matrix or hab drayko

[ripe quest]

I'm not entirely sure if it's new but I saw a funny pushed enemies are burned and you regen toughness near burning enemies combo in the files

[north sedge]

no man 2h force sword any day now, my uncle that works at nintendo said so

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-freak-puppy-stare-cute-reaction-gif-15215675160072457679

[ripe quest]

It's entirely possible that the new blessing stuff is for a chaos wastes mode

[north sedge]

if they're nutty like that, it's possible

since the vt2 ones cut loose

[ripe quest]

oooh also the guaranteed crit after a parry

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/830824061742612520/1186032897422000178/catAsk.gif?ex=6591c636&is=657f5136&hm=5445bfd4c100c71e4f556d439f65b41878db970013d3fb20982157dbd961517a&

[ripe quest]

and swift slaying

[spare talon]

dopnt fucking say that to me

[ripe quest]

lots a fun stuff

[spare talon]

dont ge t my hopes up

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-erm-what-the-scallop-xqc-gif-26935095

[ripe quest]

how much would you like a thing that reloads unequipped weapons

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/767160217804210180/1070506159443812382/caption-4.gif

[spare talon]

if it works for the zarona revolver

very much so

even if it gives me destiny raid meta flashbacks

[prime ridge]

rate my drip

[spare talon]

@ripe quest is there a place i can look at the source/code myself

[hushed knoll]

What

[hushed knoll]

Nice

[split sable]

it worked that time

idk what happened the first time

[north sedge]

What

[hushed knoll]

You don’t have an uncle that works for nine tops

Nintendo

[north sedge]

Stan it's pretty simple, it's proof that jortstealers are coming any day now

[hushed knoll]

What

[north sedge]

Nine tops

[hushed knoll]

What

[ripe quest]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/tree/0b9aac0b19a84d41163cd73e0f1cd6049d9f7085

[north sedge]

My uncle helped make the Nine Tops Switch I'll have you know

[ripe quest]

No documentation really, the meaty stuff is in scripts > settings

[hushed knoll]

You need to hit a connect is

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-ham-erm-what-the-ham-gif-27618298

[hushed knoll]

Hug a Connecticut

Cactus

[north sedge]

True

I need to hit a connect is, then hug a Connecticut

[hushed knoll]

😒

Why aren’t you in hedge

Bedge

[north sedge]

I'm glad it can be be any Connecticut

It's 7

[ripe quest]

bleed

[hushed knoll]

That’s prime bedge time

[north sedge]

Yessssss

[north sedge]

If you're like 4

[spare talon]

"wield on hit bleed"?
is this just a weapon/blessing that always bleeds on hit?

[hushed knoll]

No

[ripe quest]

20% chance to do that yeah

There's one for melee as well

[north sedge]

Ranged bleed baby

[ripe quest]

Though this is a template, so the actual blessing would change that

[spare talon]

oh thats not a timer
idk why it was a timer

i thought that was 0.2 seconds for literally 0 reason

like a cooldown on how fast it could happen, based on "event.on_hit"

[royal vortex]

i love Bay leaf

[ripe quest]

There's also stuff that gives you buffs when allies are down

Which makes me believe this is Chaos Wastes stuff

[north sedge]

They love that shit

[ripe quest]

Also there's a lot of stuff that is essentially a damage perk but it only activates under certain situations, like on block or with a heavy

Some have a default of 50%

[spare talon]

50% damage??

[ripe quest]

Bound to change at some point

[royal vortex]

i believe most damage buffs like that default to 50%

it's how you got ye old thrust bug

[ripe quest]

Some of the other stuff defaults to like 5% and 25%

[spare talon]

if that can be on a parry weapon, that would be huge too
since parrying is coded as a block iirc

[royal vortex]

they changed the power type so that you didn't boost DOTs with thrust anymore

[spare talon]

im very parry-pilled rn

[royal vortex]

(and so that you wouldn't keep thrust stacks if you cancelled the wound up swing)

and then they made thrust give 50% per stack at every tier because it used the default melee_power modifier or some shit

[ripe quest]

Wait it's just better lacerate

[minor sage]

I do wish

the dots in this game

worked differently

[spare talon]

its a 20% chance to bleed on hitting the head?

[minor sage]

than just stack as many as possible

kinda miss saltzpyre flense builds

[royal vortex]

im pretty much sick of DoTs gaining damage from any type of blessing

[minor sage]

where you just bleed stuff and let it die

[ripe quest]

Just about everything has like, a 5% or 20% chance so I'm doubtful that will be the actual chance

[royal vortex]

i cannot believe people were upset when they made it so slaught didnt stack on dot

[ripe quest]

Dumdum is right there

[royal vortex]

because u couldnt run around with a fkin AB illisi 6 charges build just letting wildfire kill stuff for u

[spare talon]

tbh tho DoTs innately deal kinda shit damage, like not even worth using by themselves

[royal vortex]

no that's not true at all

it very much depends on the application method

[minor sage]

yep

certain application methods are crazy disgusting

like ogryn heavy or vet shredder

[royal vortex]

soulblaze/burn are generally preferred but ogryn bleed is fucking nuts

2 vet nades will clear/clear 50%+ of the health off anything smaller than an ogryn

and that's practically for free with the regen talents

[ripe quest]

High cleave and DoT is generally what makes DoT good

[shy river]

so you're saying I should use a lacerate/flesh tearer knife

[royal vortex]

[ripe quest]

Knife has some of the shittiest cleave on the market

[spare talon]

yes

[sharp zodiac]

Duel wield bleed knives

[royal vortex]

knife is just one of the worst bleed applicators possible

[spare talon]

you should always use a ft/lac knife

[ripe quest]

It also helps a good amount if the bleed is from a talent

Since it's like, 1/30th of the build instead of 50% of the blessing slots used

[royal vortex]

blazing spirit on trauma is basically the only good DoT application blessing

[minor sage]

well

[royal vortex]

infernus is varying degrees of ok

[minor sage]

ogryn also has other ways

to benefit from the bleed

for example, you can run shovel and have thunderous

and that'll make both your smacks AND your bleed

do a lot of damage

[royal vortex]

the only kind of blessing that should work on dot is probably the enemy debuff ones

[minor sage]

i just dislike how every dot in the game

is just, apply as much as possible

[royal vortex]

i mean u legitimately cannot tune them in sensible ways

when half the options give u a high/infinite cleave on dot

[minor sage]

would've been nice if bleed was like.. capped at 4-5 stacks

but had different scaling

[royal vortex]

they need to add more interaction with dot for certain classes

perilous combustion should be more melee/ranged damage (not dot) to soulblaze'd enemies

or smth

[wraith helm]

nerf bleed but we'll still let you stack tons of burn DoTs on target

What did fatshark mean by this

[minor sage]

what is the context ?

[wraith helm]

Bleed was nerfwd before, right?

[royal vortex]

it would be more healthy for the game if ogryn's taunt-on-push was a taunt on enemies affected by a DoT the ogryn owns

[north sedge]

BRAIN HURT MORE RASHUNS SUH

[delicate shadow]

only game where I like the implementation of DoTs is like...path of exile

[royal vortex]

so that u couldnt do stupid stuff like remove shooters as an enemy type by owning a slab shield

[royal vortex]

lmao

[wraith helm]

Let me summon bladefall as a zealot

[candid nest]

Does the evis XV alt attack change armor rating?

[rigid trellis]

righteous fire build in darktide

[royal vortex]

no

[delicate shadow]

if they replaced shroudfield with that, I'd cream

[wraith helm]

Totem build for ogryn

[minor sage]

see that's the thing

bleed,ignite, poison, chaos dot all have different properties

that make them interesting to interact with in their own ways

wish that was the case

[delicate shadow]

and you have to actually build them appropriately

[minor sage]

for bleed, burn, soulblaze, etc

[royal vortex]

psyker has an entire class exclusive dot and it is basically just fire

with a better flak modifier

[minor sage]

tbh

it just seems

the same as the staff left clicks

they probably just didnt have time

to finish it properly lmao

[royal vortex]

my ideal psyker is one where purg staff doesn't exist

and the class has more interactivity with soulblaze

well psyker in general just doesn't work the way i want a space magic guy to work

gunker is fine the other 2 "subclasses" are incredibly dumb to me

[north sedge]

i think the platonic ideal of a psyker is just holding smite out and never using anything else

[minor sage]

i think psyker and ogryn could use

a retouching

[north sedge]

the shield is nice

[minor sage]

i actually don't mind vet and zealot in current state

[royal vortex]

i feel like venting shriek would be way more interesting

if the end goal wasn't just spamming shrieks for flame stacks to clear trash

and instead it's like soulblaze is both a DoT and a debuff (or buff for the psyker depending how u frame it ig) where u get to do cool stuff now that the bad guys are burning

like soulblaze applied enemies having 0.5x hitmass for warp attacks or smth

[wraith helm]

Let me weild a skull like a weapon as a psyker. Perform weird shit

[minor sage]

i also hate SG in its current form

i get what they tried to do

it's supposed to be like a "berserker" mode that you turn on and you get stronger but build heat faster and it becomes more and more dangerous

but in it's current state it just doesn't land the fantasy imo

[old badger]

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone using sg

[native cargo]

SG means Silly Goose right

[minor sage]

I probably would've designed it more like a true zerk mode, like until your heat builds to 100%, you have 100% crit chance and take 50% more damage

[royal vortex]

i don't think anyone would want to use an ult that actively debuffs you

not how the game works

[minor sage]

I think they would if it gave you a shitload of damage

[royal vortex]

no they absolutely wouldn't

if you've read literally anyone's opinion on marksman's focus - a keystone that doesn't explicitly limit you in any way - you'd know i'm right

because they kneejerk see the "moving loses stacks" and they have a fkin freak out

it's the same thing with martyrdom

which is probably a better example

and you get a bunch of people who hate it for that explicit reason

[minor sage]

yeah but do you think those marksman focus criticizers are stupid?

[royal vortex]

i think they're stupid because they don't actually have a point

which wouldn't be the case in the world where you have that version of scrier's

[median steeple]

i like scriers gaze

[royal vortex]

i think scrier's is great. i am vindicated that is literally just does not work with charges because i hate warp charges mechanically

[minor sage]

ye i'm not sure i agree with you

i think if the benefit is worth it, i would totally debuff myself

if 100% crit isnt enough, then 15% more damage

on top of that

i would do it

[royal vortex]

flat out this is just stupid design

[minor sage]

dont think so

[median steeple]

I mainly use scriers for the voice lines but I do hope its changed or made better later on

[minor sage]

i think it plays well into the high-risk high-reward that they want it to have no?

[royal vortex]

like i couldn't care about the appeal. a lot of people would absolutely despise an ult that works like that and it's not really how the talent tree works

there's already an explicit risk-reward mechanic. you can fucking blow yourself up

[median steeple]

because for me it feels good to use for the 3s it actually wants to work

[fiery ingot]

idk i feel like marksman is weird. because if you're using a weapon that relies on it to reach breakpoints, you'd need to build those stacks in order to one shot stuff properly. 1 second where a threat is still alive because i couldnt outright kill it can be game changing for someone like me. but if im using a weapon that doesnt need marksman focus to reach bp, what's the point of it anyway? deal damage to bosses? its hard enough to shoot them at the head in a chaotic situation

[royal vortex]

like even martyrdom doesn't actually debuff you

[fiery ingot]

but i dont play maelstroms, only auric qp so i might be biased

[mystic ether]

It's something that can still be done but the amount effort is usually the major deal breaker especially if the dmg isn't comparable to something safer.

[royal vortex]

it does not mandate you take damage. all it does is give you buffs if you take damage and even then people bitch about bad gameplay or w/e

[minor sage]

hmm

i actually dont see anything wrong

with martyr

[royal vortex]

i don't think anyone wants to spend talent points that are going to make them worse off in some way

[minor sage]

so it might just be a diff of opinion

[mystic ether]

Martyrdom isn't for people that can't play tbh.

[median steeple]

the cycle of new martyr users is take martyr and non of the nodes that help it, Die, blame martyr

[mystic ether]

I wouldn't know how it stacks up but I don't take just because I don't care about it.

[median steeple]

[fiery ingot]

martyrdom is literally zealot from vt2 and people would still bring their hp to 1 purposely in catas so people that complain about it might be new to the scheme idk

[old badger]

I don't like losing stacks on movement ngl

When staying mobile is like the #1 way to protect yourself in this game

[royal vortex]

you just hit heads

that's the whole point of the keystone

[mystic ether]

You can be just like vt2 zealot and cycle yourself deliberately during insanely risky situations. Dunni about the healing after a bit but that was usually the rub

[royal vortex]

it's a finesse buff, which gives you extra headshot (and crit) damage, and you hit heads with it

and then you don't lose stacks and you get the damage

[median steeple]

my only problem is that the keystone is bad for newer players who read that moving loses stacks and they think "hmmmm maybe I shouldn't push up"

[mystic ether]

Dumb invulnerability ghats you're intentionally playing into to then ease up after clearing dense threats then slipping back into bullying something more manageable.

[royal vortex]

it gets really funny with something like an iag which doesn't have problems hitting heads repeatedly

an agri shotgun likewise just fkin dumpsters guys with it

[mystic ether]

But idk how consistently that can translate in darktide. I never liked vt2 zealot anyway.

[fiery ingot]

oh damn

zealot was cool af to play with

[mystic ether]

Most of them had dogshit habits they didn't unlearn because they spent so much time on zealot anyway that their perspective on defense changed completely

[fiery ingot]

was the only job that could reach as much power as merc kruber

[mystic ether]

And you didn't have as many guns.

[royal vortex]

but the original point was ppl saw "loses stacks on moving..." and didn't read any of the conditions where you could keep stacks while moving

[mystic ether]

I mean slayer was a major dps next to one of the sienna fire ones or whatever

[royal vortex]

or tested the amount of distance moved before you lost one stack

or even if you lost a stack on dodge