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Does it bother anyone else when there are scales that are never fully used up.
If decimator is locked it's not a prob tho
Finesse generally refers to weakspot, crit, and critical weakspot damage.
Yeah. You just have to be careful with it.
Carapace to Flak?
BM doesn't need to be upgraded really
Imagine someone asked you to rate a one to ten scales on a scale of one to four.
Keep bm3
It's so they can tease us with a Final Weapon Tier
Bm4 is 15 WP DMG and the same effect...
The stats have a cap cause at some point well get red weapons
You can make most of the weapons work. But for the most part mobility as a dump stat. Flamer I think actually has damage as dump? Because burn is what you want for ticks damage
It irks me. More than it should.
Correct me if wrong
Mobility stat is for dodging, specifically the number of dodges you can do.
Red weapons
3 more years
woohooo
Yes
Oh I thought that helped with sprinting and stamina
It does that, too.
Mobility and/or Defences are the dumps in every case. On some weapons, such as Flamer, there are stats that just kinda don't matter much too.
A tier better than gold sounds like heresy.
Just like how Stopping Power, in addition to stagger, also deals bonus damage against armour.
At least in the imperium it is
Wonder how they'll go about final tier without making it significantly even more grindy to make good, unless they give red weapons a third modification lock
Laughs in Mastercrafted
Which base do you think I should go with? I'm leaning towards the right one.
Dear god, the First Target is shit.
Out of those two def the right one.
Assuming that they add another perk or blessing or something with the final tier
Yeah that's what I was afraid of haha
Is it possible for a weapon to have all 80s
no
Make it heretek weapons then, like in Chaos Rising with powerful corrupted weapons we can give our heroes
Hope the rolls are good!
Oh
I like how the mission coordinators turn a very blind eye to the rejects stimming up the exact thing they are trying to stop the flow of
It's weird because the stimms are supposed to spread corruption, are they not?
loyalist stimms
No
Or is that another thing that the Plot Armor Ritual gives us immunity to
Totally blessed stimms thats lying in a heretics bed
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium... There are no drug tests.
We're stopping tainted stimms.
Yeah we do stims with a prescription.
Nothing said we can't use the Stimms that haven't been tainted yet.
Especially if one of them is anathema to Nurgle (Health Booster)
I'll have you know I only smoke crack that has been thrice blessed with holy heroin and a purity seal made of melted THC gummies
There should be a condition where some stimms are tainted, giving us a stronger boost but a withdrawal/corruption after
I thought the point of stimms were that they were an OG chaos idea and we were just picking em up cuz it's fun
I could see some fun voice lines with that
How does nothing in the abyss work?
Holy smokes!
the imperium practically runs on stimms
Ogryn: I feel... TINGLY!
I guess the rejects are just really good at telling loyalist vs traitor stimms
Was about to ackchually you
Wasn't there a drug in the eisenhorn book series that was basically chaos vapes and it corrupted Eisenhorns acolyte
well yes, drugs have a multitude of effects and those can push you towards a certain form of chaos
and Slaanesh also embodies drug addiction, but Maozi literally says she is used to her air being full of stimms
Smoking is addictive and bad!
takes 14th Monster of the night
Slaanesh is uwu kawaii desu
Did you hear about the priest that was selling fake weed to the local junkies?
When they found out they were incensed!
Loca Moca coffee monter my beloved
Rejects know their drugs
whats up zealot chat
guys im gonna cry what do i do
if i wanted to make this viable on a speed zealot build what would i do specifically
true bc i do get rending off of uncanny strike already
baller flak unyielding it is
what's the damage difference for 8 stacks of burn to 10 stacks of burn? for infernus 3 to 4 on laspistols
Similar to bleed scaling. Very slight exponential increase, 8 to 10 stacks of burn is a 46% increase if it's still accurate. On Laspistols I wouldn't worry about the difference between the two tiers, on enemies it does good damage to you'll either kill them too fast to care or you'll crit twice to max out stacks regardless.
Thank you!
god roll
Would do unyielding and flak or crit chance. Maybe maniac. Nice thing is at that point you can swap them around as you want for some plasteel, but thats a perfect knife
the bibble
Why is my team stopping me from doing penances...
Kill them and solo fr
Well, depends on the penance I guess
And in case it's a pain in the ass to do it, if they consented
I want to try out a headhunter autogun, anyone got recommendations on which one, perks, and blessings?
I'm trying to do There's nothing in the abyss
What was that one again?
the vraks 7 slaps pretty hard, surgical and deadly accurate(?) one of those weakspot/crit bonus type blessings at any rate
agri 9 and vraks 3 are easier to sustain but don't hit as hard
thank you ๐
Not sure if you got this answered or not but if you use both charges of chastise spaced like 2 or 3 seconds apart youll kill crushers with blaze away alone. No carapace perk needed
opinions on mkii vs mkxv eviscerator? I've been using the 2 since the xv simply doesn't hit as hard
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pretty sure its just move set preference I could be wrong tho
the xv is for light spamming vs. hordes, does great at that from my experience
i just click away and start mowing the lawn
What the fuck
mk2 does better horde clear and is worse at elites
Idk why but it's really hard to combo the xv
and rev heavy on elites
idk how to explain it
what timing you just mash light
i do not mash
like it's one of the least complicated weapons, you just hit l1
i dont understand no, there is no combo, you hit lights until there is an elite then you rev heavy it...that's it?
do you mean the chain has like a sluggish/awkward animation timing
yes
Which laspistol is better?
sometimes even mashing the lmb has missed swings in a combo
I don't think I've had that happen but the animation felt weird to me
just a slow boy
Mk II is better at crowds, Mk XV is better for single target.
mk2 is also sexier and forward in bed
mk2 makes you feel like a maniac
and therefore better
Mk15 has that deep thrusting push attack though
true
guaranteed penetration or your money back
I usually end up using a Chaxe or a Chainsword
The Mk XV Evis though is pretty fun
The heavies feel weighty
How do you do fellow Zealots.
What would you recommend I do to fix/improve this?
Im fine with keeping BT but im thinking I try and get Brutal Momentum?
bloodletter to rampage, block to cara
Could do bloodletter to Rampage
there is no bm
Brutal momentum eviscerator
Rampage it is!
fatshark when
Idk why I thought there was BruMo for Mk15..
BruMo Mars
oh yeah i thought it was supposed to kill it in 1 chastise
one last peek into chat before bed
owie
man literally takes a punch into his nuts and loses his sayan powers
illegal play right there
i would too motherfucker
Holy shit
The one where I have to regain health after being beaten down
ape orb
that looks fun but man being that close to a chimp would be horrifying
monke tired
no that man was taking backshots
Any tips? I'm not getting th 25% health
it's over 5 seconds
You have to kill something big iirc
that guy has monke pets
and some tigers as well
to get max health
good enough?
sadness
Restoring Faith takes 5 seconds and iirc is limited in some way
i forgot the mechanic
exactly
but it only applies to HP damage taken, so taking toughness damage won't restore HP
its either that or 2.5 toughness on ranged kill 
the immolation tax
been holding this for damn too long. time to stop being a coward and face hadron
im keeping the crit dmg perk just so i can have max rating
taking damage resets old restoring faiths if they are still ticking down
fra works fine
Like a flamer works?
yee
my brain is saying they fixed that, old restoring faith (feat, not talent) used to behave like that and considered shit
?
restoring faith is damage you take
not damage you deal
I have a question. For gun zealots, why?
too lazy to swap to veteran I guess
lol\
god gave me a nonzero amount of ammo
never seen that
Every time i see a wild zealot running a CIAG or more likely an agri IAG they are gunning in melee
and if it exists, 100% sure its a beginners mistake
They also can't aim for the specials
I had literally 90% of the special kills that last run
pew
pew
pew
fra was mainly bad because you could choose twbs or holy rev
columnus brauto (all the brautos really) is designed to be shot right in ppl's faces
nah, you're generalizing. this guy is almost chocob level and he runs iags on his zealot, even braced.
chop chop
https://www.twitch.tv/telopots
STAMPS
00:00 : start
00:07 : build
00:55 : bots die
05:45 : pogryn spawns
06:55 : pogryn dies
21:44 : middle event starts
25:34 : middle event is over
51:07 : end event starts
54:00 : clutch starts
55:04 : clutch is over
58:13 : map is over
except they are using IAGs
esp since close range was nerfed from 15m to 8m so u have to be closer to activate them
There is two people in this world. Agri AK lovers, and cringe ass nae nae babies
i mean like there is literally nothing wrong with shooting a dude at close range on its own
guns kill stuff faster unless u have a really bad gun
It also reset any remaining healing if you took another source of damage iirc
Its just suboptimal on a class that is built around melee
even if it worked right, it still wouldn't compete
its the like part where ppl will only shoot and use up all the ammo on NOTHING
no it's not
iags get dumdum, zealot has annoint in blood, both are max damage up to 8 meters and fall off linearly to 30-ish
Columnus IAG is just a large-sized Shredder
Yes. Bonk is good, however. Space AK.
the best place to be in if u wanna shoot someone, especially on zealot, is right in their face
@royal vortex been using the Kanty shotty with the crusher, makes for an incredibly versatile loadout
shooting them from further away is "less" optimal in the damage sense

its what i ran before i swapped to tknives
yeah the slug dot also builds up skullcrusher and hammerblow stacks
Zealot chastise lets them do funny stuff with certain weapons
its insanely good
Or you could, and hear me out, hit them very hard with all your melee talents
yeah but even with all your "melee" talents (sustained assault, desperation, etc) a gun still puts out more DPS
especially a columnus iag
I've found nothing more satisfying than pushing a dog then following up with a quick dagger to the snout, that and sniping a sniper with a flick shot 
like zealot is the class that explicitly benefits from stuffing a barrel in some guy's face and then shooting him
Does it? Cause I'm cleaving through hordes while they are struggling with a small pack
yes absolutely what you're running into is pub players being bad
i mean you're prob comparing yourself to worse players
and that's not a playstyle issue that's a pub issue
which isnt fair to begin with
this alone is a massive reason to make enemies eat your barrel
the video i sent is a guy who is much better than your average pub
all my homies love anoint in blood
telepots is nothing new to us
both very satisfying to use yeah
i keep trying to tknife a dog mid-air and getting a bodyshot and eating shit for it
Also small nitpick but what I've seen is that certain YTers like telopots and choco hit a point where they can just run whatever and perform well, good number of people in the discord here that are at that point as well. It's hard to differentiate between people beyond that skill level so I think it's safe to compare to that skill level rather than just choco.
I did that once, took the dogs head off and ragdolled it into the ground behind me
Revolver or bust.
tknives sending dogs flying is the best
thats fair, but i think my point is also fair when someone is generalizing everything based on their pub experience
on stairs especially you can get em to just YEET
I wasn't arguing against your point at all, just nitpicking
bay leaf
i do really hope they nerf revolver and plasma gun so people learn to play without their crutch
1 shotting muties with heavy special on crusher is also satisfying
i mean before that it was bolter and autopistol
good thing i keep my columnus IAG
it just rotates
Something will always be the strongest
I know, but killing a big enemy like flamer restore healh?
it's like having a mini hammer
it has a tiny mag and takes ages to reload
although without +maniac sometimes i don't 1-shot and suddenly things have taken a very sad turn
its balanced
nah it aint
the thing that boggles my mind is just how much damage you can do to bosses
I can't speak for Plasma but Revolver is 100% overtuned rn
it has drawbacks yes, but the power it puts outshine every other weapon in the game
Zarona specifically
a work of art fr
bullet magnetism babeeee
Of course I compare relative to other weapons in its weight class
its on damage outweights every possible drawback the revolver has
also, its much easier to land headshots with revolver than some other weapons for some reason
and it has a mechanic to counter the unreliability of having a low mag size
at least to me
yea, i kind of expected it to struggle when i was getting used to it
yeah, it has bullet magnetism on heads
plasma and revolver are the two guns with bullet magnetism
(on PC)
like i cant land as many headshots with vraks than i can with revolver
but its v solid. a well built caxe using all the dumb tricks like a zealot ult or w/e obvs outperforms it but it's not really struggling in any real sense
revolver has a low stated bullet count but if ur lookin at like
speaking of revolvers how we lookin fellow darktiders
special kills per reload
now ur generally getting competitive with other guns before u factor in cleave, bullet magnetism, etc
low crit bonus, cringe
Slap Hand-Cannon on it instead of Gloryhunter.
Shit, I still need to find hand-cannon 4
yeah hen im damned to low crit chance
i mean handcannon iv would go crazy
false, it has invisible +100% crit chance when you shoot the crushers in the head. balanced by -100% on bodyshots to everything
oh so headcannon iv all the way
I swear to god once you put headcanon on it it will seem like every headshot is a crit
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But it will also feel like every bodyshot is not a crit.
I'm going to state a lukewarm take: They should not nerf revolvers or plasma. Just buff other stuff.
i'd consider it a hot take
since the player power level is evidently way too high currently
and they'll need to buff enemies again to account for power creep
Revolver is overtuned
Is it? Cause I see the average player dying to everything on casual heresy runs
you play heresy and you get heresy players
That's because overtuned guns can't fix people sucking
multiple difficulties exist for a reason
imma be real, the average heresy player I've seen has had more brains than damnation players
you can always drop difficulty levels for a power fantasy time, but damnation is not particularly hard when you can comfortably solo queue and win almost all of the time
i think most people here actually spam auric quickplays
at least i always assume so when im talking about balance
cause other than that, anything works and can go well
yeah since the extremes are all that matter
since if you're in the middle (uprising, malice, heresy), you can always drop or raise a difficulty
like i can pick a recon lasgun on a psyker and still outplay most of the pubs i get in a normal t5
that's why i play marty, for a real challenge with my death defying gameplay
100% joking marty is so fucking braindead
it is still very fun to play with
dashing in a pack of elites and complete nuke them all is always very satisfying
steve is cherished
Steve is a relic
You can hate Lazorr but Steve is uncalled for
wait you telling me his cat named steve?
i hate cats so much i want to smush them all
if you dont want to crush every stupid idiot moron cat u see im sorry ur such a poseur
fake cat fan
are you like, okay? do you need to talk to someone
i have him blocked already im just checking in
thats a crisp ass gif tho
highest quality I've ever seen
I'd take a chomp out of that gif and it'd probably be oily too
This is an entirely wrong opinion to have and I feel should be a bannable offense
How is it being the land of love vs the land of the free
Idk I'm told France is something something romantic
The romance is so good you guys held Verdun for it
france is probably cool
I wish pain and suffering upon french canadians tho
I'd cut a ring around quebec and let it sink below the continent if I could
I'd been blessed to not know of what the French Canadians do.
Only that they should be put at the polar caps with the bears
they were fine until they started being french
i didnt know there so many fake cat enjoyers here
if u dont regularly call cats dumb stupid little idiots im sorry ur just fake
steve cat vtuber
okay first of all tap water is gaoted
Location dependent
Some places that shit is literally just lead and concrete drippings
Mmm extra metals and minerals
this flavor is really good
in moderation
otherwise it starts to taste bad
Hmmm what could I get from france...intriguing
momentum to shred, block eff to damage to flak?
Burger
How is French burger. Is it like French fry
BORGAR
Yeah that's what I'd do
got this recently... looks pretty good, but i dont play zealot all that much, so i dont know for sure
bloodletter to rampage and unarmoured to cara
Bloodthristy is fine though swap bloodletter to rampage. Uhhh unarmored id swap to Cara or unyielding.
Probably cara
Cus them carapace mfer need the brrr
Does anyone know what the Perfect Strike Blessing on the Eviscerators actually does?
I'm interested
Perfect
so the stats are good then? and i only need to change 1 bless and 1 perk?
yea stats are fine
so, swap blooddletter for rampage, and swap unarmored to carapace then?
ye
is rampage 3 fine? i dont have rampage 4 yet
Yeah you can always upgrade it to 4
alright
just gotta find the damn thing
why you so blood thirsty
settle down get a donation
Freedom withdrawals
I think that's how the vehicle rat thing started
Someone donated a rat to a car
And word got out
holy crap, i took the sword into the meatgrinder, and a charged crit-swing 1-shots the crushers
Yee it can be pretty lovely
Also Luna when are you gonna recover from freedom withdrawals
As stealth zealot do you backstab ragers or do you just mag dump them
Depends on how many
3-6
I been playing wrong then
No reason to ever get close to 3-6 ragers
I would pop stealth to take one out and then dodge the living fuck out of them as I slowly spammed lights
depends on your melee weap and ranged
Felt like it was too inefficient
Just hit 30 a bit ago. I'm thinking I just slap Rampage and Bloodthirsty on this thing right?
with a crusher you can safely hug 6 ragers
Ah yeah that is a factor too
Knife and autopistol
Stealth zealot
its risky but you can get into melee
I'm gonna be honest you're probably gonna have to fluctuate between then
So mag dump a bunch and then swap to melee and finish them off when it looks right
if you play piety and have your piety proc on you can just spam chastise at their faces and perma stun them while you keep light attacking to build your chastise back
Stealth zealot I have shroud
Shouldn't be spamming lights on knife anyway, certainly not on an elite
Whoops
Evis brainrot
Oh yea how do I handle a shit ton of bulwarks if I donโt have shroud or piety
Assuming Iโm using evis and revolver
Damn
Yeah
And if thereโs something behind them like a bunch of ragers or a trapper I prioritize those first the moment I see a opening right
or shroud, tag to alert your team and go away 
How good is the Ironhelm? I've heard the Thunder Hammers are a bit unwieldy.
It's fun
Ah yea my team was dead in this issue
bulwarks sucks
Unfortunate
i always bring a ranged option that can deal with them if my melee cant
Itโs a chainsaw let me saw through the shield
FS and their shield antics back at it again
kant shotty and bolt
Bulwarks, let them attack you then whack em
And don't hold block or else they go for shield bash
at least in vt you had a wide variety of options to break their guards
BORRIING
But unfortunately in this situation it's necessary
I keep trying to dodge to the left and hit them with a revved heavy
and pray that you dont hit their shield invisible hit box
The 180 hitbox
But the rest that werenโt attacking would track me and instead of hitting the head I would somehow swing through the head and hit another bulwarks shield
if you know the way of the Hsword you can take out a bulwark without waiting for an attack by them
does chain weapon activated attack breaks their guard or stuns them at the very least?
wait what
It looks like it stuns them if it hits
teach me
Any new updates coming soon?
chain weapons ignore the shield 180 thing if revved up
but it's hard to aim
it certainly stuns you
How did I even get myself in that scenario

We all jumped down as a team next thing I know everyone is dead and Iโm getting swarmed by bulwarks and ragers
i have a serious skill issue with heavy sword to the point where i unironically enjoy and perform better with a dclaw
classic
I like and do well with all the melee weapons but Iโm not too good with ranged weapons
My tracking is miserable
And if itโs slow to pull out I instantly hate it
Boltor is your number 1 enemy
play crusher
you wont have problem with any melee enemies anymore
and if you need, there's a guide to it pinned
I should get into hsword. What would I want on one? Which one should i go for?
Whenever I decide to start gambling again I'll go for hsword
Idk the charged hit on one of the thunder hammers feels so visceral compared to the crusher
you need to know crusher combos to actually deal damage with it
otherwise you're going to take your time to kill elites
Hammer is cool beans too
which arent hard
havent played thammer yet tbf. building one seems to suck a lot
the 6
harder than I expected to get the 25% health back
with headtaker deathblow , elites maniac
Got its
your goal is 80 dmg first target cleave damage
cleave targets and defences are dumpstats
cleave targets has a breakpoint at like 60 or so for +1 cleave
from 11 to 10 cleave
if you don't hit the bp
but it doesn't change anything
Me doing the horde clear combo not to actually kill a rager patrol fast but to keep them contained lmao
Though they do die pretty quick when doing it cus of the heavy attack
if im alone i do the same tbh. being able to keep them staggered is better than trading dmg to kill one i think
It is. Some things just need to be bullied
I'll keep this in mind and attempt to hsword
The one with the overhead
luna
What a overhead
Forhead
@native cargo
Fourhead**
What
old screenshots but it's still the same thing I've been running
Yes
yes
That's pretty neat
max buffs + combat stimm lets you oneshot chastise crushers in the head
rat's neuron signals are sent by carrier pigeon
with hsword
Then 6G pigeons
shall i buy this?
I have to tell people what I'm doing and they won't let me
aight i wait then
Harder than I thought to do the Abyss penance
My mk4 and mk12 chainaxes that Iโve given pet names
what perks and blessings on mk9 heavy sword?
God, having to do my penance is annoying
hahaha i like those
Spinegrinder is my favorite of the two
i have 2 questions ye zealots; 1) when trying to delete a boss, should i use ironhelm or crucis thunderhammers? and 2) should i be using the heavy attack on the crucis when charging it? it says the heavy and the light do the same damage, so thats why i ask.
afaik heavy is important to proc thrust blessing
Yeah
regardless of its damage
You must run thrust on thammer, it is the law
do you get any benefit from it at all when horde clearing?
Well you mainly use heavies to horde clear anyways
cause you'll be holding heavy as least as possible so do you get any thrust proc on that?
@royal vortex should start a Cult of the Crusher 
You get at least one sometimes two
Crusher fucks
can't get over how good the combo gameplay feels
ikr
Hammer heavy does way more even without thrust
most satisfying push atk
Should always be doing heavies on big stuff
Crusher is what I want the Paul to be
whos paul
careful, you might reveal to them that we're oggy mains 
i played a little bit
I wear my Ogryness on my sleeve
What am I doing wrong? I'm hitting specials/elites hard hits but not getting the 25% heal
faith restores all? it's about the damage that you take
Gotta love how these penances aren't team friendly lol
I'm doing the Abyss penance
I see, what a good hordecclear weapn?
As seems the elites/specials not getting me that health
hsword and flamer are candidates
What weapon are you using
hammer and shotgun
As apparently I am to get 3x as healing with melee
But noooooooo
Special heavy should do it easily, but you can also just mulch a horde with something as well
surprsied it not locked to private
Well it's something that can happen naturally
While flesh wound was pretty much actively trolling your team back when it wasn't private only
Still tho, perhaps some changes have to be made if they aren't team friendly
Their change was, let's push these ones off to the side and make brand new ones instead of fucking with it
Half true, they did change some of them I think
the hordeclear option will prob be safe then since you'll get a bunch of toughness from killing the chaff
Timing my health loss and chastising into a horde was how I got it, a good thundehammer bonk could do it to im sure
Is it based off damage dealt or enemy health loss
Like if I bonk a poxwalker with a big bonk, do I get a big heal
I feel like I'm doing good damage with my heavy attacks but see getting little health back
IIRC a single poxwalker is enough with a bonk, or it used to be
Yes, using my hammer/special to hit maulers/ragers, etc
I donked a dog for mine
You can get that with a Flamer or any burst ranged weapon
Yes
So then get hit to 0 by horde then blas them with bold or flamer?
idr
yeah not sure what you are doing wrong, but it should be kind of hard not to get a full heal
Get TWBS and do that yeah
One time, it was close but not the 25%
Or just Martyr and get a horde mulcher
A Martyr Chainsword or Hsword will 100% get you the penance
Gonna try the Hsword and botgun
That's my default playstyle, the razors edge, that sounds a lot easier after I typed it
Since the hammer isn't working for me
hammer heavies should do it too, plenty of damage in a horde for HR
THESE ARE THE CHIMES OF JUDGEMENT
You think so too, but it hasn't been working for me
Tho doing a private with the other one will be hectic
idk, we used to heal 75% with hammer with same scaling of HR just higher cap
are you running HP curios
whats the attack combos for mk9 h sword
I believe so, 3 I have are one wounds each
Lights are sweeps. H1 is an overhead, H2 and H3 are sweeps that loop after H3. Special is the same as the other two variants.
you use the overhead for elites Im assuming?
you can do a L1 H2 loop, also overhead loops with special
Depends on the situation.
I usually play with only 2 wounds and I've never touched Martyrdom yet, but somehow and someway I will get to 1 hp instantly on the first horde and live like that for 10 minutes. Then I heal and do it again. Maybe I should try out Martyrdom.
minor elites don't need the overhead, like gunners and shotgunners, and if you have damage buffs and the right sword you can also horizontal maniac rager heads IIRC
With Cara you'd just spam special attacks, with groups H2 H3 will be consistent but if they're piled H1 SA has the best performance.
This is assuming Deathblow
Only run wounds with Marty, otherwise you're just running around with way less defense and you'll go down more often
You only need wounds if you run wounds, the true ouroboros of Zealot
Is Martydom good with only 4 wounds? 2 on Damnation+2 from the talent?
Or does it need the investment?
You can do a tankier build that way but you'll get less dmg benefit
You run wounds with Martyr
You can also mix in Toughness curios but you need to stack TDR to get the most benefit with that
it does fine with at least 5 but at that point just do 7
autopistol seem to have so many cool blessings yet i never see people talking about it. is the gun that bad?
BOLTGUN BOLTGUN BOLTGUN
It went from busted as hell to ok
it's kinda bad relative to other options now
but it's usable
you'd think a weapon with pinning fire and cavalcade would be a bolter
but jokes on you thats an autopistol
you are pretty much gonna get more out of any of the brautos
idk i didnt use it yet but it does seem like an alternative to braced autoguns?
Best weapons to pair with the Flamer? Currently using the Mk15 Evis.
knife
the only thing autopistol is good at is maniac
well lame
id rather have a bash than a flashlight
i wish every ranged weapon had the option to bash
I've never once used the bash on a ranged weapon
Flashlight is way more useful
Flamer can cover the weakness of weapons with poor to below average crowd damage. Anything that fits the bill will "synergize" with the Flamer, but you can also just use generalist weapons and be fine. Can depend on the mission a bit since some Maelstrom modifiers and Orthus likes a Flamer regardless of melee weapon.
i like to grief the time i dont have to reload
Melee swap is instant
Bukkakhe poxburster
I like bashes specifically if fodder gets too close on a long pullout ranged weapon, feels a bit cool as well
the only time I bash is when the game eats my inputs on a revolver and I'm trying to hammer special
Imagine give zealot helbore, what could go wrong?
Become the real krieg
How important is collateral in bolt gun for zealot? Seems it only affects stagger, arent you supposed to just kill what you shoot with it instead quick?
what are the current go to weapons?
not played zealot in a long while
It might affect pinning fire stacks but I doubt it would be too much of an issue.
Ok, grabbing it, never tried Boltgun yet
Basically anything but infantry lasguns and taxe.
it takes a bit of time to get used to it
Maybe it could work on Heavy Sword to bring some armored enemy killpower?
yes
Stuff otherwise varies from useable to a bit overtuned
wow that hurts
Yeah Zealot amount of working weapons is pretty amazing
the 2 things that i really wish i could use on zealot
Sugyama mains Tactical Axe Lasgun zealot?
Zarona Revolver with Surgical + Hand-Cannon is a very popular ranged weapon rn. Hsword, Caxe, and Chain weapons are popular melee weapons.
What are the best Blessings for the Flamer? My first decently rolled one when I hit 30 got Quickflame 3 and Fan the Flames 4. Kept both and modded it for 25% Flak and Unyielding. Been enjoying the Stagger spam.
Blaze Away
Just Blaze Away right now, Overpressure is bugged.
Is only flamer blessing that matters
I mean, the Infantry Lasguns are fine they just clash with how most people play Zealot.
Specifically the XII is fine, haven't checked the other two in ever
idk about 12 but i played the 1a on vet and despite it having higher dps because of its rate of fire, it needs a lot of effort to hit breakpoints correctly
Taxe is just kinda malnourished though. Functions okish with a Martyr build and a good Taxe.
but infantry lasguns are so nice due to their versatility
Combat Axe is the Taxe but well fed. Rashad ate it's wheaties.
last i played i used slug shotty/flamer with tac axe.
but wanted to finish levelling up vet and ogryn,. and then all vet penances, now i wanna finish zealot penances
i was doing somo true solo runs to mess around with melee weapons and test stuff on my vet and funnily enough, after shovel, taxe is the only weapon that i can deal with hordes comfortable enough without getting negative dodges count, trading hits or kiting around
but outside of that, its very underwhelming
takes a lot of time to clear horde
at least those were my impressions. feels good to use due its atk speed, but has some weird hit box with a weird combo
This definitely comes down to dodge and push management. Any weapon has enough to deal with a horde without getting hit.
i cant get the timing of light attacking after a push on many weapons so i dont use push often unless its a weapon with a good push attack, so that might count too
by good push attack i mean contextual as an attack that can cleave or stagger most enemies in a horde
but yeah can be a skill issue on my part. i often see people doing well with chain swords when i cant. both chain swords doesnt fit me, i cant get good cleave attacks without trading hits most of the time
Custom Game penance probably could use bunch of stealth knife zealots speedrunning through the map
yeah thats how i got mine
Im still missing it and kill 40 stunned targets in 10s, got to like 37/40 with randoms
we cleared in 12 minutes but i died because it was a fucking maelstrom and i didnt know how to properly play zealot at the time so we had to wait until 16
Worst part about penances is teammates always killing your targets before you get to do it
the gunlungger ogryn pulling out the machine gun at the stunned horde 
My friend who helped me with "do 90%+ dmg to monstrosity with brainburst" psyker penance, thought i just need to deal 90% of its dmg, so at 10% he went all in killing it, and i barely failed it
plays vet but has ogryn brain?
Your bro is kind of silly or trolling you
He already waited 90%
Why couldn't he wait the last 10% lol
That's like 2 brain bursts
Yeah or just do what i told him to, tank the boss by blocking it
Or not even tank it if he's that bored
Now you both need to suffer it all over again
Yeah i could have kited around too
And there were also lvl 1 bots that were trying to steal the dmg
Who knows
thats what friends are for
I used a mk2 taxe in auric maelstorm like three hours ago, it's definitely playable, but it's also definitely will not get you top damage.
Id kill the bots next time if I had to do a penance like that
How to kill em?
We were sort of lucky that the monstrosities spawned right at beginning of that mission always, so bots were still alive
do you know the differences between taxes marks if you could share?
Well the penance requires minimum Heresy
You can use infantry lasguns
They'll just be very underwhelming
You'll feel like a budget Veteran
They have different movesets
Best way to do it is to hope that the bots die during a horde or crusher
Mk2 has 2 diagonal heavies
Easiest way to do it is to have no bots though
I think if you're desperate you might be able to barrel launch them off the map
oh thats it? thought there would also be damage difference for lights and heavies for each one
There's not much more yeah
i should try the other marks then
Pick the one you like
i've been messing around 7. the heavies are overhead which is nice, but the light spam for horde is a bit underwhelming
Oh yeah, the lights are just bad
That's why I use mk2
And pretend that light attacks don't exist
thats understandable really lmao
Honestly stagger vs melee elites is the only thing taxes have going for them
Well they're also mobile
Ish
But it's really a
"I can just use knife"
Reminds me of Kerillian dual sword vs dual sword dagger combo
Knife is probably even worse
or a caxe
At least you can skirt by with bleed shenanigans
but being able to stagger a rager during their combo with a light weapon does feel very nice
i like knife
piety knife is very fun
tho i dont play auric maelstroms, only auric quickplays so cant say how good it can be
Knife has better single target than Taxe by a good bit, but Taxe can actually do damage to crowds with a complementary build and BM.
now imagine if taxe had uncanny strike as well 
Bleed on the knife just makes it worse at single target and still ends up worse than other weapons for crowds.
FLESH TEARER LACERATE TAXES 
haymaker so you can feel better about your mk2 heavy spam 
Damn haymaker actually sounds good
yeah the private penances i plan to do last.
get a group to run for all classes that needs them in 1 session
i think ds vs dd is worse. ds are kinda 100% horde weapon
what the best horde clear weapon, with critical hits?
specifically need to crit stunned enemies
Ye but DS has the utility of being anti special too while having good horde clear
If you do push attack heavies
Something DD can't do
But I get your point
Something with shred. Devil claw fine, probably crit evis(old) will be the best.
I think both are applicable anyway
DS is just fantastic and op with good control
Just started zealot, can U make a build with flamer and Double.handed chainsword arround crit and bleed?
Around crit yes, around bleed i won't recommend.
Why
Unneeded when you hit hard with it
And can i use the fire nades with it cause i dont feel Like knife throwing
Because on evis it won't do much. And application of bleed will be limited.
You can
But if you use the flamer and evis
You're praying your team kills specials for you
Some people do do that tho
And I guess if you're that good it doesn't matter
You'll still clear anyway
The best build at the Moment i feel Like IS the dagger one but i hate the Look of it
Best build is what you like playing
Although arguably the best ones are always the ones that can do everything
Best build for what? And dagger is pretty mediocre weapon.
well hes the new guy, give him some room for romance
Flamer is a really poor weapon for builds not cos it's bad
But cos it sacrifices your gun slot
Ive Seen people solo Auric MS without even sweating but they use stuff Like the Hammer and im Not a construction worker but a zealot so idk
Than earlier they know the truth than better
I choose weapons after Look tbh๐คฃ
Well, then just play whatever you like and see results. If in the end of the day you pulling your weight, who cares.
Game not about soloing everying.
Like, weapon choice doesn't make you better player and doesn't solve skill issues.
It's more about optimizing your performance.
Im pretty good with psyker and ogrin, i never really played my vet again after hitting 30 so idk. I Hope to BE Just AS good with the zealot
a very fixable emperors gift
too bad i dont use chain weapons
pog
i forgot the difference between the chainswords already tbh since i havent used either one ever
Crit build is actually really nice for the Flamer btw. A crit with the Flamer applies 2 Burn stacks instead of 1. Burn stacks additively up to the 10th stack where it starts stacking multiplicatively. The faster you hit 10 the faster Elites and Monsters die.
Like was mentioned before: crit evis + flamer == no special kills for you mostly. You gimping your ability to handle snipers and so on. Plus crit weapons need some time to get momentum while more conservative choices like rampage+ss evis will work 95% of the time from the start of the encounter. And so on. So weapon choice is about optimizing and complementing melee and ranged options.
43 mobility is pretty ouch
One is just heavy horde clears with a swing for push shove
i swapped my mk15 with 46 mobility to 76 mobility and it was godlike change
it is, but beggers cant be choosers when it comes to mission reward weapons

Me with my knives:
Also me after missing half my knives: ๐guess I'll die!
Knifes like, ye, not reliable enough for me.
Throwing knife as an ability feels like this.
We're winning!
It's over.
We're back!
It was never there to begin with.
We were never gone!
Ad infinitum.
i love them
with a 25% maniac perk and anoint u can 1 tap a dreg rager to the head
Sometimes you feel like a god with the knives. Other times you miss a trapper 10m away with 4 of them.
I picked up the throwing knives at level 12 I think because I picked up the Flamer and the little pyromaniac in me got hooked and I've been using this combo ever since. I like to think I'm decent with my knives. But there are moments where I think to myself "I hope nobody saw that".
does martyrdom work with missing HP (as wounds) or wounds lost to infection?
any wound that has 0 health in it for whatever reason counts toward martyrdom
oh so just losing HP is enough
thats good
i have been playing it like "get infected in 3-4 wounds" then you good
your teammates probably thought you were ass at the game at the start lmao
but because its just a lack of health in wounds, that means until death and holy rev works really well with it
preventing death from a fuckup and also keeping you within range of a few stacks
Zealot coming back to the morning star after every mission with a brand new unknown disease.
"we did it guys! we beat the karnak twins!"
Slaughter Transmitted Diseases
currently running this for general horde clear.
what changes would you make?
i would try to get a new one asap, otherwise Shred to Rampage and Weakspot to Flak
could also momentum to rampage, but Shred II feels kinda ๐คก
momentum is extremely strong on this wep
Fortunately it "only" misses 5% crit chance
I'd change momentum to rampage and block to maniac
Will i be forced to do some weird kink stuff?
I'm at work, sorry.
Thought it would be some weird kink stuff.
can i do anything interesting with one of these knives?
motherfucker splitting his flamethrower in half around terrain and having it form up again after
why get a new one? is it that bad? XD
this was not something i purchased from melk, first heavy evis, got it after a damnation game
MKXV for general use is Flak/Maniac
Rampage/Shred
currently not rolling new weapons,, using whatever i find or in normal store.
have a severe lack of resources after i got a decent setup for vet
I need to start record my games. I drop myself in a game in progress - everyone is down. Before I can even react a trapper gets me the moment I load...
had a game like that,, except a pack of mutants, got grabbed the second i loaded, tossed into a pack of hounds with flamers..
Arf
hounds with flamers sound terrible, how do they hold that things up with they funny paws - i don't want to even think
and does this one suck because of the perforation?
the flamer itself is running along their heads, so its like tiny jumping dragons spewing fire xD
Simple, the flamer is manned by a nurgling, riding atop the hound. It also has a tiny cowboy hat
giving me severe goblin vibes XD
Almost fully leveled my zealot and before I move on I wanted to see if anyone had any build resources to share that aren't sneak builds?
(move on to level the last class I haven't touched, will come back to zealot at some point)
pen stat aint great but uh
mercy to uncanny
perks are ok
you'll be able to tank uh... everything.
and kill uh... everything
change lacerate and a perk?
Perks are good
Uncanny + Precog
or executor
have fun
ty
looks interesting, thank you!
its a very brain off build cuz its so good
if youd like something requiring neurons firing
i can grab that too
well
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4fa304-0b88-4cf8-827a-d0435327a8c3/zealot-meta-no-stealth
actually thats just
im currently using this one
oh god
just wanted other suggestions, idk what is really great or not
yea that build is
fucking
just
bleh
autopistol is eh, rampage+headtaker is good but deathblow is better than rampage
max hp is weird
idk why razgriz made that
seethe cuz it has uses
ok yea with bleed
thats weird
which that build
shouldnt take bleed
it should take 7.5% toughness on heavy
with Offering
3 sniper res is dumb regardless, why have bleed for the emperor, don't take momentum toughness
i still haven't done anythign higher than heresy yet, still just kinda farming lol
is 100 hrs new? i am new to zealot though
yea
if you had like 1000 hours of Vermintide 2
then in 100 hours you should get a clear picture
if you are new to the genre
i've played all the other vermintide games before this
for only a few hundred hrs tho
not 1000 llol
yea then not new
lol i hope i would i just like to ask questions and avoid the pain if possible
that build looks like what i did when i first played zealot with the heavy sword, minus the shredder pistol
im not really gonna say anything curio wise, u can figure that out urself, shouldnt be hard, but down to preferences in the end
but u'd want an accurate weapon for your secondary
and a shredder is not it
@fading vale im having an aneurysm reading this guys justifications
Whats best part of Darktide Zealot tree is that you can tailor that tree to suit your needs.
try boltgun, infantry autogun, laspistol, infantry lasgun, or revolver
yeah i still haven't really found anything im fond of gun wise with zealot tbh
my favorite part of that build is all the text underneath that is just nonsense
revolver is a good first pick, as once u get a good melee weapon + talent tree, u'd never use your range for anything other than stuff out of your range
rn i have a tac axe, and i literally only use the tac axe
and throwing knives for snipers and such
my heavy sword build is a martyrdom build, and it works wonders imo
kant shotty most fun ranged weapon
