#zealot-class

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trail grove
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Decimator is basically going all in.

light osprey
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Does it bother anyone else when there are scales that are never fully used up.

polar nexus
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If decimator is locked it's not a prob tho

ripe quest
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Finesse generally refers to weakspot, crit, and critical weakspot damage.

trail grove
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Yeah. You just have to be careful with it.

light osprey
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Like the whole thing with weapon stats basically being capped at 80/100.

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It's dumb

trail grove
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Carapace to Flak?

ripe quest
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BM doesn't need to be upgraded really

light osprey
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Imagine someone asked you to rate a one to ten scales on a scale of one to four.

polar nexus
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Keep bm3

visual stream
polar nexus
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Bm4 is 15 WP DMG and the same effect...

frosty herald
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The stats have a cap cause at some point well get red weapons

rose flower
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You can make most of the weapons work. But for the most part mobility as a dump stat. Flamer I think actually has damage as dump? Because burn is what you want for ticks damage

light osprey
rose flower
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Correct me if wrong

trail grove
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Mobility stat is for dodging, specifically the number of dodges you can do.

buoyant pecan
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3 more years

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woohooo

visual stream
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Yes

light osprey
buoyant pecan
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I can't wait for 8 more damage on laspistol

trail grove
ripe quest
light osprey
trail grove
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Just like how Stopping Power, in addition to stagger, also deals bonus damage against armour.

light osprey
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At least in the imperium it is

visual stream
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Wonder how they'll go about final tier without making it significantly even more grindy to make good, unless they give red weapons a third modification lock

buoyant pecan
bitter bear
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Which base do you think I should go with? I'm leaning towards the right one.

trail grove
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Dear god, the First Target is shit.

ripe quest
visual stream
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Assuming that they add another perk or blessing or something with the final tier

bitter bear
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Yeah that's what I was afraid of haha

light osprey
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Is it possible for a weapon to have all 80s

ripe quest
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no

brisk raft
bitter bear
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Hope the rolls are good!

ripe quest
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Max stat total is 380

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4 80's and a 60

light osprey
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Oh

visual stream
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I like how the mission coordinators turn a very blind eye to the rejects stimming up the exact thing they are trying to stop the flow of

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It's weird because the stimms are supposed to spread corruption, are they not?

fleet zealot
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loyalist stimms

trail grove
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No

visual stream
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Or is that another thing that the Plot Armor Ritual gives us immunity to

brisk raft
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Totally blessed stimms thats lying in a heretics bed

light osprey
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In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium... There are no drug tests.

trail grove
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We're stopping tainted stimms.

vapid olive
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Yeah we do stims with a prescription.

trail grove
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Nothing said we can't use the Stimms that haven't been tainted yet.

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Especially if one of them is anathema to Nurgle (Health Booster)

light osprey
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I'll have you know I only smoke crack that has been thrice blessed with holy heroin and a purity seal made of melted THC gummies

brisk raft
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There should be a condition where some stimms are tainted, giving us a stronger boost but a withdrawal/corruption after

visual stream
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I thought the point of stimms were that they were an OG chaos idea and we were just picking em up cuz it's fun

visual stream
ebon holly
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How does nothing in the abyss work?

fleet zealot
brisk raft
fleet zealot
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I guess the rejects are just really good at telling loyalist vs traitor stimms

brisk raft
light osprey
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Wasn't there a drug in the eisenhorn book series that was basically chaos vapes and it corrupted Eisenhorns acolyte

fleet zealot
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well yes, drugs have a multitude of effects and those can push you towards a certain form of chaos

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and Slaanesh also embodies drug addiction, but Maozi literally says she is used to her air being full of stimms

brisk raft
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Smoking is addictive and bad!

takes 14th Monster of the night

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Slaanesh is uwu kawaii desu

light osprey
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Did you hear about the priest that was selling fake weed to the local junkies?

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When they found out they were incensed!

visual stream
maiden path
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whats up zealot chat

visual stream
topaz trellis
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guys im gonna cry what do i do

frosty herald
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Blessings are good

topaz trellis
topaz trellis
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carapace and flak?

frosty herald
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Carapace flak arent bad

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Maybe even flak unyielding

topaz trellis
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true bc i do get rending off of uncanny strike already

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baller flak unyielding it is

onyx solar
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what's the damage difference for 8 stacks of burn to 10 stacks of burn? for infernus 3 to 4 on laspistols

ripe quest
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Similar to bleed scaling. Very slight exponential increase, 8 to 10 stacks of burn is a 46% increase if it's still accurate. On Laspistols I wouldn't worry about the difference between the two tiers, on enemies it does good damage to you'll either kill them too fast to care or you'll crit twice to max out stacks regardless.

onyx solar
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Thank you!

hollow mantle
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Would do unyielding and flak or crit chance. Maybe maniac. Nice thing is at that point you can swap them around as you want for some plasteel, but thats a perfect knife

ornate bone
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the bibble

ebon holly
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Why is my team stopping me from doing penances...

median steeple
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Kill them and solo fr

ornate bone
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Well, depends on the penance I guess

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And in case it's a pain in the ass to do it, if they consented

buoyant sleet
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I want to try out a headhunter autogun, anyone got recommendations on which one, perks, and blessings?

ebon holly
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I'm trying to do There's nothing in the abyss

median steeple
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What was that one again?

delicate shadow
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agri 9 and vraks 3 are easier to sustain but don't hit as hard

buoyant sleet
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thank you ๐Ÿ™‚

median steeple
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I did that by accident

hollow mantle
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Not sure if you got this answered or not but if you use both charges of chastise spaced like 2 or 3 seconds apart youll kill crushers with blaze away alone. No carapace perk needed

old badger
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opinions on mkii vs mkxv eviscerator? I've been using the 2 since the xv simply doesn't hit as hard

north sedge
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๐Ÿค”

median steeple
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pretty sure its just move set preference I could be wrong tho

buoyant sleet
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the xv is for light spamming vs. hordes, does great at that from my experience

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i just click away and start mowing the lawn

north sedge
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15 is better at killing elites

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and does respectable horde clear

old badger
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What the fuck

north sedge
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mk2 does better horde clear and is worse at elites

old badger
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Idk why but it's really hard to combo the xv

north sedge
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what combo

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you just hit lights

old badger
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light combo

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the timing is just weird to combo it

north sedge
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and rev heavy on elites

old badger
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idk how to explain it

north sedge
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what timing you just mash light

old badger
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i do not mash

north sedge
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like it's one of the least complicated weapons, you just hit l1

old badger
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You're not understanding what I'm saying

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nvm

north sedge
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i dont understand no, there is no combo, you hit lights until there is an elite then you rev heavy it...that's it?

gray ice
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do you mean the chain has like a sluggish/awkward animation timing

old badger
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yes

iron seal
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Which laspistol is better?

old badger
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sometimes even mashing the lmb has missed swings in a combo

gray ice
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I don't think I've had that happen but the animation felt weird to me

north sedge
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just a slow boy

gray ice
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and the H2 still has that awkward timing that old evi h2 has

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chonk slow boi

ripe quest
gray ice
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mk2 is also sexier and forward in bed

steep flame
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mk2 makes you feel like a maniac

gray ice
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and therefore better

north sedge
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Mk15 has that deep thrusting push attack though

steep flame
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true

gray ice
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guaranteed penetration or your money back

ripe quest
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I usually end up using a Chaxe or a Chainsword

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The Mk XV Evis though is pretty fun

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The heavies feel weighty

vestal fractal
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How do you do fellow Zealots.

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What would you recommend I do to fix/improve this?

gray ice
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Hello fellow humans

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I am a human also

native cargo
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hush vile daemon

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also

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uhhh

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brain fart

vestal fractal
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Im fine with keeping BT but im thinking I try and get Brutal Momentum?

north sedge
gray ice
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Could do bloodletter to Rampage

north sedge
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there is no bm

gray ice
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Brutal momentum evisceratorKEKW

vestal fractal
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Rampage it is!

gray ice
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fatshark when

vestal fractal
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Idk why I thought there was BruMo for Mk15..

gray ice
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BruMo Mars

fiery ingot
fleet zealot
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one last peek into chat before bed

fleet zealot
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owie

fiery ingot
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man literally takes a punch into his nuts and loses his sayan powers

median steeple
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illegal play right there

fleet zealot
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i would too motherfucker

median steeple
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Holy shit

ebon holly
fleet zealot
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at the end

native cargo
median steeple
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that looks fun but man being that close to a chimp would be horrifying

native cargo
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monke tired

fleet zealot
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no that man was taking backshots

ebon holly
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Any tips? I'm not getting th 25% health

fleet zealot
median steeple
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You have to kill something big iirc

fiery ingot
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and some tigers as well

median steeple
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to get max health

onyx solar
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good enough?

median steeple
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sadness

fleet zealot
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Restoring Faith takes 5 seconds and iirc is limited in some way

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i forgot the mechanic

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exactly

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but it only applies to HP damage taken, so taking toughness damage won't restore HP

fiery ingot
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its either that or 2.5 toughness on ranged kill whatthefuck_heresy

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the immolation tax

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been holding this for damn too long. time to stop being a coward and face hadron

fleet zealot
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... i can't remember how it works

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but if I recall correctly

fiery ingot
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im keeping the crit dmg perk just so i can have max rating

fleet zealot
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taking damage resets old restoring faiths if they are still ticking down

north sedge
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fra works fine

ebon holly
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Like a flamer works?

fleet zealot
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my brain is saying they fixed that, old restoring faith (feat, not talent) used to behave like that and considered shit

fleet zealot
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restoring faith is damage you take

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not damage you deal

prime ridge
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I have a question. For gun zealots, why?

fleet zealot
prime ridge
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Gotta be

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cause they are insistent on gunning even on a horde that is on their dick

fiery ingot
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lol\

south folio
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god gave me a nonzero amount of ammo

fiery ingot
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never seen that

prime ridge
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Every time i see a wild zealot running a CIAG or more likely an agri IAG they are gunning in melee

fiery ingot
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and if it exists, 100% sure its a beginners mistake

fleet zealot
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lost veteran mains

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they can't aim for the correct character

prime ridge
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They also can't aim for the specials

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I had literally 90% of the special kills that last run

royal vortex
south folio
prime ridge
north sedge
royal vortex
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columnus brauto (all the brautos really) is designed to be shot right in ppl's faces

fiery ingot
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nah, you're generalizing. this guy is almost chocob level and he runs iags on his zealot, even braced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2hIT_t0Ipo

chop chop

https://www.twitch.tv/telopots

STAMPS
00:00 : start
00:07 : build
00:55 : bots die
05:45 : pogryn spawns
06:55 : pogryn dies
21:44 : middle event starts
25:34 : middle event is over
51:07 : end event starts
54:00 : clutch starts
55:04 : clutch is over
58:13 : map is over

โ–ถ Play video
fiery ingot
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not that i think its optimal but

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to each their own i suppose

royal vortex
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esp since close range was nerfed from 15m to 8m so u have to be closer to activate them

neat crane
royal vortex
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i mean like there is literally nothing wrong with shooting a dude at close range on its own

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guns kill stuff faster unless u have a really bad gun

fleet zealot
prime ridge
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Its just suboptimal on a class that is built around melee

north sedge
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even if it worked right, it still wouldn't compete

royal vortex
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its the like part where ppl will only shoot and use up all the ammo on NOTHING

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no it's not

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iags get dumdum, zealot has annoint in blood, both are max damage up to 8 meters and fall off linearly to 30-ish

ripe quest
neat crane
royal vortex
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the best place to be in if u wanna shoot someone, especially on zealot, is right in their face

vivid hawk
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@royal vortex been using the Kanty shotty with the crusher, makes for an incredibly versatile loadout

royal vortex
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shooting them from further away is "less" optimal in the damage sense

royal vortex
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its what i ran before i swapped to tknives

fiery ingot
fleet zealot
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Zealot chastise lets them do funny stuff with certain weapons

fiery ingot
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its insanely good

prime ridge
royal vortex
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yeah but even with all your "melee" talents (sustained assault, desperation, etc) a gun still puts out more DPS

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especially a columnus iag

vivid hawk
royal vortex
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like zealot is the class that explicitly benefits from stuffing a barrel in some guy's face and then shooting him

prime ridge
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Does it? Cause I'm cleaving through hordes while they are struggling with a small pack

royal vortex
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yes absolutely what you're running into is pub players being bad

fiery ingot
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i mean you're prob comparing yourself to worse players

royal vortex
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and that's not a playstyle issue that's a pub issue

fiery ingot
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which isnt fair to begin with

vivid hawk
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this alone is a massive reason to make enemies eat your barrel

fiery ingot
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the video i sent is a guy who is much better than your average pub

south folio
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all my homies love anoint in blood

north sedge
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telepots is nothing new to us

royal vortex
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i keep trying to tknife a dog mid-air and getting a bodyshot and eating shit for it

ripe quest
royal vortex
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but once i get the technique down

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the hounds will know fear

vivid hawk
prime ridge
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Revolver or bust.

royal vortex
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tknives sending dogs flying is the best

fiery ingot
royal vortex
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on stairs especially you can get em to just YEET

ripe quest
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I wasn't arguing against your point at all, just nitpicking

north sedge
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bay leaf

fiery ingot
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i do really hope they nerf revolver and plasma gun so people learn to play without their crutch

vivid hawk
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1 shotting muties with heavy special on crusher is also satisfying

royal vortex
south folio
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good thing i keep my columnus IAG

royal vortex
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it just rotates

ripe quest
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Something will always be the strongest

ebon holly
royal vortex
prime ridge
royal vortex
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although without +maniac sometimes i don't 1-shot and suddenly things have taken a very sad turn

prime ridge
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its balanced

fiery ingot
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nah it aint

vivid hawk
ripe quest
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I can't speak for Plasma but Revolver is 100% overtuned rn

fiery ingot
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it has drawbacks yes, but the power it puts outshine every other weapon in the game

ripe quest
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Zarona specifically

topaz trellis
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a work of art fr

south folio
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bullet magnetism babeeee

ripe quest
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Of course I compare relative to other weapons in its weight class

fiery ingot
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its on damage outweights every possible drawback the revolver has

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also, its much easier to land headshots with revolver than some other weapons for some reason

south folio
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and it has a mechanic to counter the unreliability of having a low mag size

fiery ingot
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at least to me

royal vortex
south folio
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yeah, it has bullet magnetism on heads

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plasma and revolver are the two guns with bullet magnetism

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(on PC)

fiery ingot
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like i cant land as many headshots with vraks than i can with revolver

royal vortex
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but its v solid. a well built caxe using all the dumb tricks like a zealot ult or w/e obvs outperforms it but it's not really struggling in any real sense

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revolver has a low stated bullet count but if ur lookin at like

topaz trellis
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speaking of revolvers how we lookin fellow darktiders

royal vortex
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special kills per reload

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now ur generally getting competitive with other guns before u factor in cleave, bullet magnetism, etc

prime ridge
ripe quest
prime ridge
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Shit, I still need to find hand-cannon 4

topaz trellis
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i mean handcannon iv would go crazy

prime ridge
topaz trellis
prime ridge
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I swear to god once you put headcanon on it it will seem like every headshot is a crit

north sedge
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๐Ÿค”

prime ridge
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But it will also feel like every bodyshot is not a crit.

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I'm going to state a lukewarm take: They should not nerf revolvers or plasma. Just buff other stuff.

south folio
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i'd consider it a hot take

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since the player power level is evidently way too high currently

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and they'll need to buff enemies again to account for power creep

ornate bone
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Revolver is overtuned

prime ridge
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Is it? Cause I see the average player dying to everything on casual heresy runs

south folio
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you play heresy and you get heresy players

ornate bone
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That's because overtuned guns can't fix people sucking

south folio
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multiple difficulties exist for a reason

prime ridge
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imma be real, the average heresy player I've seen has had more brains than damnation players

south folio
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you can always drop difficulty levels for a power fantasy time, but damnation is not particularly hard when you can comfortably solo queue and win almost all of the time

fiery ingot
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i think most people here actually spam auric quickplays

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at least i always assume so when im talking about balance

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cause other than that, anything works and can go well

south folio
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yeah since the extremes are all that matter

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since if you're in the middle (uprising, malice, heresy), you can always drop or raise a difficulty

fiery ingot
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like i can pick a recon lasgun on a psyker and still outplay most of the pubs i get in a normal t5

north sedge
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that's why i play marty, for a real challenge with my death defying gameplay

fiery ingot
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i should try marty crusher

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im in so much love with this weapon

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knife too

north sedge
fiery ingot
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it is still very fun to play with

zealous basin
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anyone else hate lazorr and his stupid ass cat

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?

fiery ingot
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dashing in a pack of elites and complete nuke them all is always very satisfying

royal vortex
buoyant pecan
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Steve is a relic

ripe quest
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You can hate Lazorr but Steve is uncalled for

zealous basin
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bullying cats

fiery ingot
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wait you telling me his cat named steve?

zealous basin
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i hate cats so much i want to smush them all

fiery ingot
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i thought it was lazor

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im disappointed

zealous basin
zealous basin
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fake cat fan

timber ether
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are you like, okay? do you need to talk to someone

gray ice
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It's just flip

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it's what he does

timber ether
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i have him blocked already im just checking in

frozen glen
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thats a crisp ass gif tho

gray ice
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highest quality I've ever seen

north sedge
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4k 60fps hdr ass gif

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probably has rtx on somehow, who knows

gray ice
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half a cup of baking powder

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rtx on

sharp zodiac
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I'd take a chomp out of that gif and it'd probably be oily too

hollow flare
native cargo
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Idk I'm told France is something something romantic

sharp zodiac
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Good

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Rat got hit with the properganda ray

native cargo
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The romance is so good you guys held Verdun for it

gray ice
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france is probably cool

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I wish pain and suffering upon french canadians tho

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I'd cut a ring around quebec and let it sink below the continent if I could

native cargo
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I'd been blessed to not know of what the French Canadians do.

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Only that they should be put at the polar caps with the bears

sharp zodiac
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Yeah

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Basically

frozen glen
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they were fine until they started being french

zealous basin
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i didnt know there so many fake cat enjoyers here

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if u dont regularly call cats dumb stupid little idiots im sorry ur just fake

south folio
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steve cat vtuber

zealous basin
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okay first of all tap water is gaoted

ripe quest
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Location dependent

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Some places that shit is literally just lead and concrete drippings

north sedge
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Mmm extra metals and minerals

native cargo
sharp zodiac
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Buy me that

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Ill owe you

spare talon
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in moderation

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otherwise it starts to taste bad

native cargo
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I hear it's nice

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I'm not gonna buy it for that amount doe

native cargo
pulsar olive
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momentum to shred, block eff to damage to flak?

sharp zodiac
native cargo
sharp zodiac
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Yes

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Tastes like my hand

ornate bone
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BORGAR

native cargo
merry spade
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got this recently... looks pretty good, but i dont play zealot all that much, so i dont know for sure

gray ice
native cargo
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Bloodthristy is fine though swap bloodletter to rampage. Uhhh unarmored id swap to Cara or unyielding.

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Probably cara

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Cus them carapace mfer need the brrr

sharp zodiac
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Bloodthirsty makes me thirsty when I say that word

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Mouth watering

zealous seal
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Does anyone know what the Perfect Strike Blessing on the Eviscerators actually does?

native cargo
sharp zodiac
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Perfect

merry spade
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so the stats are good then? and i only need to change 1 bless and 1 perk?

gray ice
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yea stats are fine

merry spade
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so, swap blooddletter for rampage, and swap unarmored to carapace then?

gray ice
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ye

merry spade
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is rampage 3 fine? i dont have rampage 4 yet

native cargo
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Yeah you can always upgrade it to 4

merry spade
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alright

pulsar olive
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just gotta find the damn thing

sharp zodiac
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Manifest it

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Think hard enough you bleed

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Then it'll come

gray ice
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why you so blood thirsty

native cargo
gray ice
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settle down get a donation

native cargo
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Freedom withdrawals

sharp zodiac
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I think that's how the vehicle rat thing started

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Someone donated a rat to a car

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And word got out

merry spade
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holy crap, i took the sword into the meatgrinder, and a charged crit-swing 1-shots the crushers

native cargo
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Yee it can be pretty lovely

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Also Luna when are you gonna recover from freedom withdrawals

sharp zodiac
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When my GF gets back

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She had to move back to Mexico for college

vague depot
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As stealth zealot do you backstab ragers or do you just mag dump them

sharp zodiac
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Depends on how many

vague depot
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3-6

sharp zodiac
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Magdumo

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Absolutely magdump

vague depot
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I been playing wrong then

sharp zodiac
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No reason to ever get close to 3-6 ragers

vague depot
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I would pop stealth to take one out and then dodge the living fuck out of them as I slowly spammed lights

fiery ingot
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depends on your melee weap and ranged

vague depot
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Felt like it was too inefficient

zealous seal
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Just hit 30 a bit ago. I'm thinking I just slap Rampage and Bloodthirsty on this thing right?

fiery ingot
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with a crusher you can safely hug 6 ragers

sharp zodiac
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Ah yeah that is a factor too

vague depot
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Stealth zealot

fiery ingot
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its risky but you can get into melee

sharp zodiac
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I'm gonna be honest you're probably gonna have to fluctuate between then

vague depot
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So mag dump a bunch and then swap to melee and finish them off when it looks right

fiery ingot
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if you play piety and have your piety proc on you can just spam chastise at their faces and perma stun them while you keep light attacking to build your chastise back

vague depot
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Stealth zealot I have shroud

fiery ingot
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oh

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yeah

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magdump

north sedge
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Shouldn't be spamming lights on knife anyway, certainly not on an elite

vague depot
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Whoops

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Evis brainrot

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Oh yea how do I handle a shit ton of bulwarks if I donโ€™t have shroud or piety

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Assuming Iโ€™m using evis and revolver

fiery ingot
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wait for an opening

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thats it

vague depot
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Damn

fiery ingot
#

not much to tell

#

or have your team to kill them at their backs while you kite them

sharp zodiac
#

Yeah

vague depot
#

And if thereโ€™s something behind them like a bunch of ragers or a trapper I prioritize those first the moment I see a opening right

fiery ingot
#

or shroud, tag to alert your team and go away KEKW_ogryn

zealous seal
#

How good is the Ironhelm? I've heard the Thunder Hammers are a bit unwieldy.

sharp zodiac
#

It's fun

vague depot
fiery ingot
#

bulwarks sucks

vague depot
#

Unfortunate

fiery ingot
#

i always bring a ranged option that can deal with them if my melee cant

vague depot
#

Itโ€™s a chainsaw let me saw through the shield

sharp zodiac
#

FS and their shield antics back at it again

fiery ingot
#

kant shotty and bolt

north sedge
#

Bulwarks, let them attack you then whack em

#

And don't hold block or else they go for shield bash

fiery ingot
sharp zodiac
#

BORRIING

But unfortunately in this situation it's necessary

vague depot
fiery ingot
#

and pray that you dont hit their shield invisible hit box

sharp zodiac
#

The 180 hitbox

vague depot
#

But the rest that werenโ€™t attacking would track me and instead of hitting the head I would somehow swing through the head and hit another bulwarks shield

lean lark
#

if you know the way of the Hsword you can take out a bulwark without waiting for an attack by them

fiery ingot
#

does chain weapon activated attack breaks their guard or stuns them at the very least?

vague depot
#

It looks like it stuns them if it hits

fiery ingot
#

teach me

exotic portal
#

Any new updates coming soon?

lean lark
#

chain weapons ignore the shield 180 thing if revved up

vague depot
#

Doesnโ€™t stun the other bulwarks though

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Or the 2 ragers behind them

lean lark
#

but it's hard to aim

fiery ingot
vague depot
#

How did I even get myself in that scenario

fiery ingot
vague depot
#

We all jumped down as a team next thing I know everyone is dead and Iโ€™m getting swarmed by bulwarks and ragers

fiery ingot
#

i have a serious skill issue with heavy sword to the point where i unironically enjoy and perform better with a dclaw

vague depot
#

I like and do well with all the melee weapons but Iโ€™m not too good with ranged weapons

#

My tracking is miserable

#

And if itโ€™s slow to pull out I instantly hate it

sharp zodiac
#

Boltor is your number 1 enemy

fiery ingot
#

you wont have problem with any melee enemies anymore

#

and if you need, there's a guide to it pinned

native cargo
#

I should get into hsword. What would I want on one? Which one should i go for?

vague depot
#

I really like the evis though

#

And the thunder hammer

native cargo
#

Whenever I decide to start gambling again I'll go for hsword

vague depot
#

Idk the charged hit on one of the thunder hammers feels so visceral compared to the crusher

fiery ingot
#

you need to know crusher combos to actually deal damage with it

#

otherwise you're going to take your time to kill elites

north sedge
#

Hammer is cool beans too

fiery ingot
#

havent played thammer yet tbf. building one seems to suck a lot

ebon holly
#

harder than I expected to get the 25% health back

lean lark
#

with headtaker deathblow , elites maniac

native cargo
#

Got its

lean lark
#

your goal is 80 dmg first target cleave damage

#

cleave targets and defences are dumpstats

#

cleave targets has a breakpoint at like 60 or so for +1 cleave

#

from 11 to 10 cleave

#

if you don't hit the bp

#

but it doesn't change anything

native cargo
#

Though they do die pretty quick when doing it cus of the heavy attack

fiery ingot
native cargo
#

It is. Some things just need to be bullied

native cargo
frozen glen
#

luna

native cargo
sharp zodiac
#

Forhead

native cargo
#

Bulging

#

Forehead*

lean lark
#

@native cargo

native cargo
#

Fourhead**

sharp zodiac
lean lark
#

old screenshots but it's still the same thing I've been running

frozen glen
#

what

#

why did u ping me

native cargo
#

Wait

#

Isn't deathblow just brutal momentum but for hsword lmao

north sedge
#

Yes

lean lark
#

yes

native cargo
#

That's pretty neat

lean lark
#

max buffs + combat stimm lets you oneshot chastise crushers in the head

frozen glen
#

rat's neuron signals are sent by carrier pigeon

lean lark
#

with hsword

native cargo
halcyon elbow
#

shall i buy this?

frozen glen
#

not really

#

if u want an ironhelm u can make it work

ebon holly
#

I have to tell people what I'm doing and they won't let me

halcyon elbow
#

aight i wait then

ebon holly
#

Harder than I thought to do the Abyss penance

untold carbon
#

My mk4 and mk12 chainaxes that Iโ€™ve given pet names

desert vessel
#

what perks and blessings on mk9 heavy sword?

lean lark
#

maniac flak with deathblow headtaker

#

perks and blessings

ebon holly
#

God, having to do my penance is annoying

fiery ingot
untold carbon
#

Spinegrinder is my favorite of the two

high flax
#

i have 2 questions ye zealots; 1) when trying to delete a boss, should i use ironhelm or crucis thunderhammers? and 2) should i be using the heavy attack on the crucis when charging it? it says the heavy and the light do the same damage, so thats why i ask.

fiery ingot
#

afaik heavy is important to proc thrust blessing

untold carbon
#

Yeah

fiery ingot
#

regardless of its damage

untold carbon
#

You must run thrust on thammer, it is the law

fiery ingot
#

do you get any benefit from it at all when horde clearing?

untold carbon
#

Well you mainly use heavies to horde clear anyways

fiery ingot
#

cause you'll be holding heavy as least as possible so do you get any thrust proc on that?

vivid hawk
#

@royal vortex should start a Cult of the Crusher KEKW_ogryn

fiery ingot
#

im in

#

crusher is not a weapon

#

is a way of living

untold carbon
#

Crusher fucks

vivid hawk
fiery ingot
#

ikr

north sedge
#

Hammer heavy does way more even without thrust

fiery ingot
#

most satisfying push atk

north sedge
#

Should always be doing heavies on big stuff

untold carbon
#

Crusher is what I want the Paul to be

fiery ingot
#

whos paul

untold carbon
#

Short for Power Maul

#

The Ogryn weapon

fiery ingot
#

ah

#

playing ogryn defnitely feels like a change of pace

vivid hawk
fiery ingot
#

i played a little bit

untold carbon
#

I wear my Ogryness on my sleeve

ebon holly
#

What am I doing wrong? I'm hitting specials/elites hard hits but not getting the 25% heal

south folio
#

faith restores all? it's about the damage that you take

ebon holly
#

Gotta love how these penances aren't team friendly lol

south folio
#

ohhh

#

the penance

ebon holly
#

I'm doing the Abyss penance

south folio
#

you could also do it into a horde

#

with some hordeclear weapon

ebon holly
#

I see, what a good hordecclear weapn?

#

As seems the elites/specials not getting me that health

south folio
#

hsword and flamer are candidates

north sedge
#

What weapon are you using

ebon holly
#

hammer and shotgun

#

As apparently I am to get 3x as healing with melee

#

But noooooooo

north sedge
#

Special heavy should do it easily, but you can also just mulch a horde with something as well

ebon holly
#

surprsied it not locked to private

north sedge
#

Well it's something that can happen naturally

#

While flesh wound was pretty much actively trolling your team back when it wasn't private only

ebon holly
#

Still tho, perhaps some changes have to be made if they aren't team friendly

opaque island
#

Their change was, let's push these ones off to the side and make brand new ones instead of fucking with it

ebon holly
#

So true

#

Since I feel like I'm dragging my team down with this penance

opaque island
#

Half true, they did change some of them I think

ebon holly
#

Either I don't get the health, or I die

#

And then my team has to try to save me

south folio
#

the hordeclear option will prob be safe then since you'll get a bunch of toughness from killing the chaff

opaque island
#

Timing my health loss and chastising into a horde was how I got it, a good thundehammer bonk could do it to im sure

#

Is it based off damage dealt or enemy health loss

#

Like if I bonk a poxwalker with a big bonk, do I get a big heal

ebon holly
#

I feel like I'm doing good damage with my heavy attacks but see getting little health back

fading vale
#

IIRC a single poxwalker is enough with a bonk, or it used to be

north sedge
#

Are you using special attack for

#

It

ebon holly
#

Yes, using my hammer/special to hit maulers/ragers, etc

north sedge
#

I donked a dog for mine

fading vale
#

all the penance is is recover 25% health no?

#

from HR

ripe quest
#

You can get that with a Flamer or any burst ranged weapon

ebon holly
#

Yes

ripe quest
#

I did the 100% version a long while ago with Boltgun

#

or whatever it was

ebon holly
ripe quest
#

idr

fading vale
#

yeah not sure what you are doing wrong, but it should be kind of hard not to get a full heal

ripe quest
ebon holly
#

One time, it was close but not the 25%

ripe quest
#

Or just Martyr and get a horde mulcher

#

A Martyr Chainsword or Hsword will 100% get you the penance

ebon holly
#

Gonna try the Hsword and botgun

opaque island
ebon holly
#

Since the hammer isn't working for me

fading vale
#

hammer heavies should do it too, plenty of damage in a horde for HR

opaque island
#

THESE ARE THE CHIMES OF JUDGEMENT

ebon holly
#

You think so too, but it hasn't been working for me

#

Tho doing a private with the other one will be hectic

fading vale
#

idk, we used to heal 75% with hammer with same scaling of HR just higher cap

#

are you running HP curios

desert vessel
#

whats the attack combos for mk9 h sword

ebon holly
#

I believe so, 3 I have are one wounds each

ripe quest
desert vessel
#

you use the overhead for elites Im assuming?

fading vale
#

you can do a L1 H2 loop, also overhead loops with special

ripe quest
#

Depends on the situation.

zealous seal
#

I usually play with only 2 wounds and I've never touched Martyrdom yet, but somehow and someway I will get to 1 hp instantly on the first horde and live like that for 10 minutes. Then I heal and do it again. Maybe I should try out Martyrdom.

fading vale
#

minor elites don't need the overhead, like gunners and shotgunners, and if you have damage buffs and the right sword you can also horizontal maniac rager heads IIRC

ripe quest
#

With Cara you'd just spam special attacks, with groups H2 H3 will be consistent but if they're piled H1 SA has the best performance.

#

This is assuming Deathblow

north sedge
ripe quest
#

You only need wounds if you run wounds, the true ouroboros of Zealot

zealous seal
#

Is Martydom good with only 4 wounds? 2 on Damnation+2 from the talent?

#

Or does it need the investment?

north sedge
#

You can do a tankier build that way but you'll get less dmg benefit

ripe quest
#

You run wounds with Martyr

#

You can also mix in Toughness curios but you need to stack TDR to get the most benefit with that

summer moth
#

it does fine with at least 5 but at that point just do 7

fiery ingot
#

autopistol seem to have so many cool blessings yet i never see people talking about it. is the gun that bad?

bitter anvil
#

BOLTGUN BOLTGUN BOLTGUN

north sedge
#

It went from busted as hell to ok

fading vale
#

but it's usable

fiery ingot
#

you'd think a weapon with pinning fire and cavalcade would be a bolter

#

but jokes on you thats an autopistol

fading vale
#

you are pretty much gonna get more out of any of the brautos

fiery ingot
zealous seal
#

Best weapons to pair with the Flamer? Currently using the Mk15 Evis.

fiery ingot
#

knife

fading vale
#

the only thing autopistol is good at is maniac

fiery ingot
#

well lame

#

id rather have a bash than a flashlight

#

i wish every ranged weapon had the option to bash

fading vale
#

I've never once used the bash on a ranged weapon

north sedge
#

Flashlight is way more useful

fiery ingot
#

cume in my face

fading vale
#

it's just so fast to swap to melee

#

and push

ripe quest
fiery ingot
#

i like to grief the time i dont have to reload

north sedge
#

Melee swap is instant

fiery ingot
#

and if im on bolter

#

i aint swapping to melee to bash KEKW_ogryn

bitter anvil
ripe quest
#

I like bashes specifically if fodder gets too close on a long pullout ranged weapon, feels a bit cool as well

fading vale
#

the only time I bash is when the game eats my inputs on a revolver and I'm trying to hammer special

bitter anvil
#

Imagine give zealot helbore, what could go wrong?

fiery ingot
#

lmao

#

chastise with a lance in your hands

bitter anvil
#

Become the real krieg

naive star
#

How important is collateral in bolt gun for zealot? Seems it only affects stagger, arent you supposed to just kill what you shoot with it instead quick?

dry sierra
#

what are the current go to weapons?
not played zealot in a long while

ripe quest
naive star
#

Ok, grabbing it, never tried Boltgun yet

ripe quest
fiery ingot
#

it takes a bit of time to get used to it

naive star
#

Maybe it could work on Heavy Sword to bring some armored enemy killpower?

fiery ingot
#

yes

ripe quest
#

Stuff otherwise varies from useable to a bit overtuned

fiery ingot
naive star
#

Yeah Zealot amount of working weapons is pretty amazing

fiery ingot
#

the 2 things that i really wish i could use on zealot

naive star
#

Sugyama mains Tactical Axe Lasgun zealot?

fiery ingot
#

and im not even joking

#

more like a wannabe

ripe quest
#

Zarona Revolver with Surgical + Hand-Cannon is a very popular ranged weapon rn. Hsword, Caxe, and Chain weapons are popular melee weapons.

zealous seal
#

What are the best Blessings for the Flamer? My first decently rolled one when I hit 30 got Quickflame 3 and Fan the Flames 4. Kept both and modded it for 25% Flak and Unyielding. Been enjoying the Stagger spam.

naive star
#

Blaze Away

ripe quest
#

Just Blaze Away right now, Overpressure is bugged.

naive star
#

Is only flamer blessing that matters

ripe quest
#

Specifically the XII is fine, haven't checked the other two in ever

fiery ingot
#

idk about 12 but i played the 1a on vet and despite it having higher dps because of its rate of fire, it needs a lot of effort to hit breakpoints correctly

ripe quest
#

Taxe is just kinda malnourished though. Functions okish with a Martyr build and a good Taxe.

fiery ingot
#

but infantry lasguns are so nice due to their versatility

zealous seal
dry sierra
#

last i played i used slug shotty/flamer with tac axe.
but wanted to finish levelling up vet and ogryn,. and then all vet penances, now i wanna finish zealot penances

fiery ingot
#

i was doing somo true solo runs to mess around with melee weapons and test stuff on my vet and funnily enough, after shovel, taxe is the only weapon that i can deal with hordes comfortable enough without getting negative dodges count, trading hits or kiting around

#

but outside of that, its very underwhelming

#

takes a lot of time to clear horde

#

at least those were my impressions. feels good to use due its atk speed, but has some weird hit box with a weird combo

ripe quest
fiery ingot
#

i cant get the timing of light attacking after a push on many weapons so i dont use push often unless its a weapon with a good push attack, so that might count too

#

by good push attack i mean contextual as an attack that can cleave or stagger most enemies in a horde

#

but yeah can be a skill issue on my part. i often see people doing well with chain swords when i cant. both chain swords doesnt fit me, i cant get good cleave attacks without trading hits most of the time

naive star
fiery ingot
#

yeah thats how i got mine

naive star
#

Im still missing it and kill 40 stunned targets in 10s, got to like 37/40 with randoms

fiery ingot
#

we cleared in 12 minutes but i died because it was a fucking maelstrom and i didnt know how to properly play zealot at the time so we had to wait until 16

naive star
#

Worst part about penances is teammates always killing your targets before you get to do it

fiery ingot
#

the gunlungger ogryn pulling out the machine gun at the stunned horde whatthefuck_heresy

naive star
#

My friend who helped me with "do 90%+ dmg to monstrosity with brainburst" psyker penance, thought i just need to deal 90% of its dmg, so at 10% he went all in killing it, and i barely failed it

#

plays vet but has ogryn brain?

ornate bone
#

He already waited 90%

#

Why couldn't he wait the last 10% lol

#

That's like 2 brain bursts

naive star
#

Yeah or just do what i told him to, tank the boss by blocking it

ornate bone
#

Or not even tank it if he's that bored

#

Now you both need to suffer it all over again

naive star
#

Yeah i could have kited around too

ornate bone
#

Either actually silly or trolling

#

Or maybe he just wants to play with you again

naive star
#

And there were also lvl 1 bots that were trying to steal the dmg

ornate bone
#

Who knows

fiery ingot
#

thats what friends are for

naive star
#

So it made it worse

#

I would have just barely won the bots had he not done any dmg

dense field
ornate bone
naive star
#

How to kill em?

ornate bone
#

Get them killed

#

Which is harder on the easier difficulties tbh

#

Unfortunate

naive star
#

We were sort of lucky that the monstrosities spawned right at beginning of that mission always, so bots were still alive

fiery ingot
naive star
#

Well the penance requires minimum Heresy

ornate bone
#

You'll feel like a budget Veteran

dense field
ornate bone
dense field
#

Mk2 has 2 diagonal heavies

ornate bone
#

Easiest way to do it is to have no bots though

#

I think if you're desperate you might be able to barrel launch them off the map

fiery ingot
#

oh thats it? thought there would also be damage difference for lights and heavies for each one

dense field
#

There's not much more yeah

fiery ingot
#

i should try the other marks then

dense field
#

Pick the one you like

fiery ingot
#

i've been messing around 7. the heavies are overhead which is nice, but the light spam for horde is a bit underwhelming

dense field
#

Oh yeah, the lights are just bad

#

That's why I use mk2

#

And pretend that light attacks don't exist

fiery ingot
#

thats understandable really lmao

dense field
#

Honestly stagger vs melee elites is the only thing taxes have going for them

ornate bone
#

Well they're also mobile
Ish
But it's really a

#

"I can just use knife"

#

Reminds me of Kerillian dual sword vs dual sword dagger combo

dense field
#

Knife is probably even worse

fiery ingot
ornate bone
fiery ingot
#

but being able to stagger a rager during their combo with a light weapon does feel very nice

#

i like knife

#

piety knife is very fun

#

tho i dont play auric maelstroms, only auric quickplays so cant say how good it can be

ripe quest
fiery ingot
#

now imagine if taxe had uncanny strike as well frodogasm

ripe quest
#

Bleed on the knife just makes it worse at single target and still ends up worse than other weapons for crowds.

dense field
#

FLESH TEARER LACERATE TAXES KEKW_ogryn

fiery ingot
#

haymaker so you can feel better about your mk2 heavy spam KEKW_ogryn

dense field
#

Damn haymaker actually sounds good

dry sierra
tulip valve
dry sierra
#

what the best horde clear weapon, with critical hits?
specifically need to crit stunned enemies

ornate bone
#

If you do push attack heavies

#

Something DD can't do
But I get your point

celest cave
ornate bone
#

I think both are applicable anyway
DS is just fantastic and op with good control

quartz owl
#

Just started zealot, can U make a build with flamer and Double.handed chainsword arround crit and bleed?

celest cave
quartz owl
#

Why

ornate bone
#

Unneeded when you hit hard with it

quartz owl
#

And can i use the fire nades with it cause i dont feel Like knife throwing

celest cave
#

Because on evis it won't do much. And application of bleed will be limited.

ornate bone
#

And takes too long

#

Ye

ornate bone
#

But if you use the flamer and evis

#

You're praying your team kills specials for you

#

Some people do do that tho

#

And I guess if you're that good it doesn't matter
You'll still clear anyway

quartz owl
#

The best build at the Moment i feel Like IS the dagger one but i hate the Look of it

ornate bone
#

Best build is what you like playing

#

Although arguably the best ones are always the ones that can do everything

celest cave
#

Best build for what? And dagger is pretty mediocre weapon.

ember yew
#

well hes the new guy, give him some room for romance

ornate bone
#

Flamer is a really poor weapon for builds not cos it's bad
But cos it sacrifices your gun slot

quartz owl
#

Ive Seen people solo Auric MS without even sweating but they use stuff Like the Hammer and im Not a construction worker but a zealot so idk

celest cave
quartz owl
#

I choose weapons after Look tbh๐Ÿคฃ

celest cave
#

Well, then just play whatever you like and see results. If in the end of the day you pulling your weight, who cares.

#

Game not about soloing everying.

quartz owl
#

True

#

But with randoms in 5 and Auric ITS often good If U can

celest cave
#

Like, weapon choice doesn't make you better player and doesn't solve skill issues.

#

It's more about optimizing your performance.

quartz owl
#

Im pretty good with psyker and ogrin, i never really played my vet again after hitting 30 so idk. I Hope to BE Just AS good with the zealot

spare talon
#

a very fixable emperors gift
too bad i dont use chain weapons

royal vortex
#

pog

spare talon
#

i forgot the difference between the chainswords already tbh since i havent used either one ever

zealous seal
#

Crit build is actually really nice for the Flamer btw. A crit with the Flamer applies 2 Burn stacks instead of 1. Burn stacks additively up to the 10th stack where it starts stacking multiplicatively. The faster you hit 10 the faster Elites and Monsters die.

celest cave
#

Like was mentioned before: crit evis + flamer == no special kills for you mostly. You gimping your ability to handle snipers and so on. Plus crit weapons need some time to get momentum while more conservative choices like rampage+ss evis will work 95% of the time from the start of the encounter. And so on. So weapon choice is about optimizing and complementing melee and ranged options.

ember yew
ornate bone
ember yew
#

i swapped my mk15 with 46 mobility to 76 mobility and it was godlike change

ornate bone
#

The other is heavy overheads

#

That's more or less it I think

spare talon
ember yew
ornate bone
#

That's the newer one

#

So you have heavy overheads with it

zealous seal
#

Also me after missing half my knives: ๐Ÿ‘guess I'll die!

celest cave
#

Knifes like, ye, not reliable enough for me.

zealous seal
#

Throwing knife as an ability feels like this.
We're winning!
It's over.
We're back!
It was never there to begin with.
We were never gone!
Ad infinitum.

royal vortex
#

i love them

#

with a 25% maniac perk and anoint u can 1 tap a dreg rager to the head

zealous seal
#

Sometimes you feel like a god with the knives. Other times you miss a trapper 10m away with 4 of them.

ember yew
#

trappers are good at dodging

zealous seal
#

I picked up the throwing knives at level 12 I think because I picked up the Flamer and the little pyromaniac in me got hooked and I've been using this combo ever since. I like to think I'm decent with my knives. But there are moments where I think to myself "I hope nobody saw that".

keen silo
#

does martyrdom work with missing HP (as wounds) or wounds lost to infection?

spare talon
keen silo
#

oh so just losing HP is enough

#

thats good

#

i have been playing it like "get infected in 3-4 wounds" then you good

spare talon
#

your teammates probably thought you were ass at the game at the start lmao

#

but because its just a lack of health in wounds, that means until death and holy rev works really well with it

#

preventing death from a fuckup and also keeping you within range of a few stacks

zealous seal
spare talon
dry sierra
#

currently running this for general horde clear.
what changes would you make?

ember yew
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i would try to get a new one asap, otherwise Shred to Rampage and Weakspot to Flak
could also momentum to rampage, but Shred II feels kinda ๐Ÿคก

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momentum is extremely strong on this wep

ornate bone
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Fortunately it "only" misses 5% crit chance

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I'd change momentum to rampage and block to maniac

celest cave
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Will i be forced to do some weird kink stuff?

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I'm at work, sorry.

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Thought it would be some weird kink stuff.

crisp schooner
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can i do anything interesting with one of these knives?

zinc talon
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motherfucker splitting his flamethrower in half around terrain and having it form up again after

dry sierra
ember yew
dry sierra
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currently not rolling new weapons,, using whatever i find or in normal store.
have a severe lack of resources after i got a decent setup for vet

raven swan
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I need to start record my games. I drop myself in a game in progress - everyone is down. Before I can even react a trapper gets me the moment I load...

dry sierra
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had a game like that,, except a pack of mutants, got grabbed the second i loaded, tossed into a pack of hounds with flamers..

olive raven
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Arf

random ridge
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hounds with flamers sound terrible, how do they hold that things up with they funny paws - i don't want to even think

crisp schooner
dry sierra
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the flamer itself is running along their heads, so its like tiny jumping dragons spewing fire xD

open pollen
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Simple, the flamer is manned by a nurgling, riding atop the hound. It also has a tiny cowboy hat

dry sierra
river cypress
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Almost fully leveled my zealot and before I move on I wanted to see if anyone had any build resources to share that aren't sneak builds?

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(move on to level the last class I haven't touched, will come back to zealot at some point)

olive raven
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mercy to uncanny

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perks are ok

olive raven
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you'll be able to tank uh... everything.

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and kill uh... everything

languid canyon
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change lacerate and a perk?

olive raven
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Uncanny + Precog

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or executor

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have fun

languid canyon
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ty

river cypress
olive raven
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if youd like something requiring neurons firing

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i can grab that too

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well

river cypress
olive raven
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actually thats just

river cypress
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im currently using this one

olive raven
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oh god

river cypress
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just wanted other suggestions, idk what is really great or not

olive raven
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yea that build is

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fucking

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just

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bleh

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autopistol is eh, rampage+headtaker is good but deathblow is better than rampage

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max hp is weird

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idk why razgriz made that

ember yew
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im still stand that you dont need sniper resistance

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esp when you run Bleed

olive raven
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seethe cuz it has uses

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ok yea with bleed

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thats weird

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which that build

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shouldnt take bleed

ember yew
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yeah with heavy sword

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you get like 50 toughness per swing back

olive raven
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it should take 7.5% toughness on heavy

ember yew
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with Offering

olive raven
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No its cause its not a martyr build

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Bleed is good for martyr

fading vale
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3 sniper res is dumb regardless, why have bleed for the emperor, don't take momentum toughness

river cypress
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i still haven't done anythign higher than heresy yet, still just kinda farming lol

ember yew
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well, that build is not that bad if you are a new player

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but its like

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halfarsed

river cypress
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is 100 hrs new? i am new to zealot though

olive raven
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yea

river cypress
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im leveling all the classes then farming

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more

olive raven
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100 hrs is sorta new

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especially bgiven thats like

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only 200 missions max

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roughly

ember yew
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if you had like 1000 hours of Vermintide 2

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then in 100 hours you should get a clear picture

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if you are new to the genre

river cypress
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i've played all the other vermintide games before this

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for only a few hundred hrs tho

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not 1000 llol

olive raven
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yea then not new

ember yew
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well later you get whats wrong with that build after you play some Zealot

river cypress
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lol i hope i would i just like to ask questions and avoid the pain if possible

west schooner
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that build looks like what i did when i first played zealot with the heavy sword, minus the shredder pistol

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im not really gonna say anything curio wise, u can figure that out urself, shouldnt be hard, but down to preferences in the end

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but u'd want an accurate weapon for your secondary

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and a shredder is not it

olive raven
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@fading vale im having an aneurysm reading this guys justifications

ember yew
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Whats best part of Darktide Zealot tree is that you can tailor that tree to suit your needs.

west schooner
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try boltgun, infantry autogun, laspistol, infantry lasgun, or revolver

river cypress
royal vortex
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my favorite part of that build is all the text underneath that is just nonsense

west schooner
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revolver is a good first pick, as once u get a good melee weapon + talent tree, u'd never use your range for anything other than stuff out of your range

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rn i have a tac axe, and i literally only use the tac axe

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and throwing knives for snipers and such

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my heavy sword build is a martyrdom build, and it works wonders imo

fading vale
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kant shotty most fun ranged weapon