#zealot-class

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coarse birch
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i like it for boss damage but only cause i dont really bring boss damage otherwise

royal vortex
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there's some considerations there

coarse birch
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and dont run +unyielding

royal vortex
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one time i got guardbroken 5 times in a row cuz i kept trying to push attack a flamer

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and it kicked me

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every time

coarse birch
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flamer kick killed me earlier cause it stunned me into 87 gunner shots and i was

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not happy

royal vortex
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lmao

coarse birch
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we love 4 years of stagger

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although i will say i usually mind melee stagger less cause it feels bit more earned

royal vortex
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simply play ogryn and just eat all the damage

coarse birch
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but it can still make really cringe situations

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cause of the frequency of ranged units and how stagger just does not play well with them

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my ogryn is actually collecting dust in the corner

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true level 69

royal vortex
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i've only picked up ogryn for contracts

coarse birch
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everyone else 200+

royal vortex
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cant stand it otherwise

coarse birch
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except vet

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like i already feel bad running DS/assail psyker

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i dont think i could play ogryn

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without losing sleep

blazing fossil
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lol they seem quite playful

coarse birch
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i wish assail wasnt just the best option for all my builds

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cause i lot of the path in scriers/DD

south folio
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my ogryn sitting at lvl 29

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one day, I will be motivated to play and get to lvl 30

coarse birch
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do it when they change ogryn

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(never)

vivid hawk
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@royal vortex if I drop Desperation for Inf/Uny damage talent, think I should swap out Maniac to Cara?

blazing fossil
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Why is unyielding recommended on crusher? The boss damage like a mini Thammer?

vivid hawk
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still trying to get Skrusher 4

coarse birch
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its boss damage is decent

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its not amazing but its can attack quick so the DPS isnt bad

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nice if you dont have a gun for bosses

vivid hawk
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Welp, just got Skrusher t4 KEKW_ogryn

blazing fossil
ashen steeple
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Is there such a build that can be a tank for zealot?
Even against ranged targets or is that just an inherent weakness?

minor sage
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wrath -> shred

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and see how that feels

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you also want to build it for crit cdr so you get infinite chastise

proud scroll
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whats the best axe?

south folio
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if you're having trouble against ranged enemies, note that you get ranged I-frames when sprinting perpendicularly, sliding, and dodging if you weren't yet aware

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skill tree aside, spamming dodges will go a long way

frozen glen
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into the clutches of two crushers maybe

south folio
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you bitch

ashen steeple
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So zealot cannot tank like vetran against ranged

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Because I feel like whenever there is a squad of shooters it takes seconds to rince me

north sedge
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zealot tanking ranged is running straight into them and killing them

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are you running toughness

royal vortex
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really it's personal preference here though

south folio
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also, holding out your melee increases the range at which ranged enemies switch to melee attacks

ashen steeple
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Yes was, now I tried the martydom way yet that doesnt seem much different

south folio
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so you can often run into ranged patrols and force them to swap to melee

vivid hawk
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i guess it comes down to what will allow me to carry randoms better, killing crushers or ragers faster?

royal vortex
# blazing fossil

bulwarks are the main reason i recommend it, though the boss damage is nice

royal vortex
vivid hawk
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if only maniac was the locked perk

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then I could have the best of both worlds

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still a really good crusher, if I do say so myself

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just look at it

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a majestic monk bonk

blazing fossil
royal vortex
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beautiful

royal vortex
ashen steeple
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Does "Sheild of Contempt" trigger on toughness?

brazen sigil
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lfg to help with just a flesh wound penance

fickle dagger
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any experience with rev it up on the new eviscerator?

ashen steeple
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ty

fading vale
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but it does apply to all teammates with a separate cooldown

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and the cooldown is actually 6 seconds

vast radish
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hey uh, im a fresh level 30 stealth-zealot, and I gotta ask; is it ok to use a chainsword for stealth over a little knife?

fading vale
fading vale
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not to say you can't do it, but don't expect big hits

ashen steeple
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Just feels like 3 shots and my entire toughness is gone

vast radish
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drat, i figured as such.

sharp zodiac
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Well, getting T4 on that was easier than I thought, time to extract

jaunty lava
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Thammer is funny with stealth, because that works

polar nexus
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crusher is such a fine weapon to craft

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not a lot of blessings, easy to find the good one

vast radish
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yeah, my friend manages to get some ludicrous boss damage off with a thunder hammer and i'm jelly. trying to figure out how to get similar numbers

polar nexus
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compare that to the fucking thammer

fading vale
north sedge
frosty herald
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just let us buy blessings from melk

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it would make grinding so so much easier

fading vale
jaunty lava
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Anyone would be done grinding in like 3 hours so idk... Unless it's expensive or needs to be bought for every individual weapon...

fading vale
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3 hours? lol

frosty herald
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just make tier 4 cost like 3k coins

jaunty lava
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melk coins?

fading vale
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I've been grinding hammers for like 900 hours and I've never rolled thrust 4 outside of melk selling it to me 3 times

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some weapons are a bitch to roll

jaunty lava
# fading vale 3 hours? lol

Yeah i said 3 hours at the rate you can "earn" blessings currently, but if it's guaranteed like that it would probably be more expensive

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Usually that's what i do when i want something specific, i just do maelstroms for 2-3 hours in one night and buy weapons to refine until i get it.

frosty herald
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give us weekly and daily contracts for melk coins and boom blessings are solved

obsidian ore
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ooh someone said hammers

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gotta contribute to the conversation

fading vale
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if you are looking for a specific t4 blessing, especially a more rare one, 3 hours is nowhere near enough on average

vivid hawk
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Quick, sell me as to why 3 toughness curious are good

jaunty lava
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We were saying bonks are fun with stealth

fading vale
vast radish
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Very well, I will try to find a stealth bonker

ornate bone
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Smaller percentage lost per hit

obsidian ore
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it was made in times where you could one shot crushers

sharp zodiac
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And less likely to take health damage in combo

vast radish
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long as it can let me bonk a bulwark behind their brutish bust I'll be berry bappy.

fading vale
jaunty lava
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Idk how good stealth hammer is, it's more of a joke for me but it works so...

fading vale
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yeah that's basically it

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more of a funny

obsidian ore
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the base damage of hammer against carapace needs a bit upping imo

summer moth
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yo melk??

obsidian ore
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it can't compete with knife

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knife is practically better in every way unless you wanna go for haha funny big damage number

fading vale
vast radish
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where DO heavy eviscerators fit best then? I can swap off stealth for a bit to try something different.

obsidian ore
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you wanna see some sad shit

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hadron I love you

ornate bone
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Infested gaming

fading vale
# obsidian ore

I mean, you could get away with mercy to precog and as sad as it is, infested to flak

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weakspot is ass but

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better than infested probably

obsidian ore
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nothing beats uncanny strike + lacerate atm, put on an IJ build and kill everything

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both blessings are ass, so I ain't touching them

vast radish
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and on the note of heavy eviscerator...is this a good blessing for a tigrus Mk XV? I'm still learning what chained hits and cleave and impact are

fading vale
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no reason to ever run lacerate and uncanny is by far the best blessing so????

obsidian ore
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i disagree highly

fading vale
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then you are wrong

obsidian ore
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lacerate is a great crit starter

jaunty lava
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Chained are the basic attacks

obsidian ore
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you don't have to rely on proccing flesh tearer to get crit synergies going

coarse birch
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Im with laz here knife is literally an anti knife blessing

obsidian ore
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so my initial hit isn't relying on a %20 crit chance

fading vale
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are you not running piety

coarse birch
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Er

obsidian ore
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no

coarse birch
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Lacerate

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I cant type

obsidian ore
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momentum is better

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inexonerable judgement

fading vale
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eh, knife crit scaling too high to not run piety

obsidian ore
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dont get me wrong, it is good

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but even when I'm not running it i have %50 chance all the time anyways

coarse birch
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I will admit to like Momentum on knife although thats partially for point routing

obsidian ore
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I'm just getting better value after that point by investing in solid damage + attack speed boost

jaunty lava
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Momentum doesn't get the -1.5s cooldown

obsidian ore
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i used to run flesh tearer

fading vale
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running something that incentivizes not hitting heads is just a bad time

obsidian ore
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nope, here's how it plays out

coarse birch
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Yeah knifes entire strength is weakspot

ripe quest
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You cut your damage down by 4/5ths just to bleed something with lacerate

fading vale
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the blessings don't synergize, and you don't build bleed stacks when you. Hit heads

obsidian ore
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when you get to 5 stacks of uncanny strike, you one shot most stuff anyways with one heavy attack

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the lacerate is just there for horde + elite clearing, and it's great for it

coarse birch
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And bleed is not a good enough damage source for me to intentionally hit the body repeatedly

obsidian ore
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it is also there so I can put 3 body hits, and my crits keep the bleed stacks high so they don't drop

fading vale
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bleed is only solid when you have uncanny

obsidian ore
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because my 1 crit from the headshot crit is helping me maintain it

ripe quest
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The damage you would get from hitting weakspot hits instead of bodyshots outweighs what you get from lacerate

obsidian ore
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it helps me get my crit synergies by being a starter without actually running crit chance talents, so I capitalise on damage instead

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I suggest you try a setup with this so understand

ripe quest
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I have

fading vale
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yeah the weakspot and crit scaling on knife is so high it just never makes sense to hit bodies

obsidian ore
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I used to be a flesh tearer + crit chance setup guy as well

ripe quest
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It's not a fun setup

obsidian ore
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changed it up after momentum setup

ripe quest
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You can just run Precog and do even more damage to weakspot hits

obsidian ore
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feels much easier to survive as well

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precog isn't consistent enough for my liking

ripe quest
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Back with the old Hand Cannon bug you could 3 shot crushers with lights it was so goofy

fading vale
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what does momentum have to do with survivability

obsidian ore
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it gives you attack speed to help horde clear and inflict lacerate stacks on elites inside hordes

fading vale
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I mean the dodges are slightly better but that doesn't matter for knife

ripe quest
obsidian ore
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and gives you that %40 replenishment on toughness on proc that works with your knife throws as well

fading vale
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that's a horrible talent

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once every 8 seconds

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max

obsidian ore
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I know, but that's all you need

fading vale
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and it procs when you can't control it

obsidian ore
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my main toughness talent is second wind

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it is there to top you up, and it works amazingly well

fading vale
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second wind is great yes

ripe quest
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You run second wind and you don't think Precog is consistent enough?

obsidian ore
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yes, second wind is consistent

fading vale
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they are on the same dodge trigger

ripe quest
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Precog has the same proc condition

obsidian ore
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yes, but when I hit precog I actually need to hit something to get value

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you have two seconds

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which is 1 heavy attack

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maybe 2

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or 2-3 light spams

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second wind doesn't have any strings attached to it

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it works

fading vale
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but you have infinite dodges with knife more or less so eh

obsidian ore
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yes, but as I said

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consistency is important for me, that is one of the reasons why I prefer lacerate over flesh tearer

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and uncanny strike being a timer based blessing is what ties it together

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it doesn't proc off when you hit a body shot

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so I can swing at neck area, gaining max value from my lacerate and uncanny strike

fading vale
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lacerate and uncanny have incompatible proc conditions which sucks

obsidian ore
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after 5 stacks of uncanny, i only need to aim for the heads, which doesn't net me lacerate value, yes

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but you are thinking about hitting the same target

gilded cairn
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I have a question about the Ironhelm, I can get the strike down heavy 3 after doing push + wait + heavy, why does it work like that? Is it intended?

vivid hawk
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How important is stability on Kanty?

fading vale
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but idk, agree to disagree, lacerate can work I suppose but it's not optimal

fading vale
ripe quest
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All weapons have it, some get to skip moves in a chain when you do it

gilded cairn
obsidian ore
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trust me max, as someone that played both setups

vivid hawk
fading vale
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let me change my name back lol

native cargo
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lazorr

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why were you max

ripe quest
native cargo
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what happened

ripe quest
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That also can vary with weapons

fading vale
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the only way I could see lacerate is if you aren't running piety I guess which is what you are doing

ripe quest
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Old Chaxe had PA -> H1

obsidian ore
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@fading vale exactly

fading vale
ripe quest
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Got changed to PA H2 though recently

obsidian ore
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I have %20 attack speed and damagae buff on top of rivaling in crit chane with piety users

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also your gun shoots faster

native cargo
ripe quest
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I moreso don't understand the choice of lacerate

native cargo
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Nurturing that life form to become even more dangerous

obsidian ore
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in total I have a near consistent %30 attack speed on my knife, which makes horde clearing so easy

royal vortex
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damn agri iag sharpshooter FUCKS

fading vale
ornate bone
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Lacerate is awful

native cargo
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Sadly it wasn't created by him

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its from another discord who has like

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the same weird culinary art as stan

ripe quest
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You can just run Executor and chain weakspot hits, which would give you more damage than what bleed offers. The knife has enough crit chance to start up Scourge by default.

proven merlin
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What blessings does the devil claw like?

polar nexus
ornate bone
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I wish executor had the same conditions as uncanny strike

ripe quest
native cargo
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@frozen glen ran lacerate/uncanny on a good few matches yesterday and he kept shouting bleed

polar nexus
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+shred

native cargo
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like

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it was scary guys

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very scary

fading vale
native cargo
obsidian ore
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@ripe quest think of it as a starter blessing for scourge, you do 2-3 light attack hits and start goting for the head. Uncanny strike will get you to most one shot heavy attack breakpoints. As long as you aim for neck level, you will keep proccing lacerate for bleeding in a horde mixed with elites, and the cleave going through one dude's head will reset uncanny strike stacks. Uncanny powered bleeds melt through everything like butter. After getting the initial crits you can also start just going for head level swipes, in which you have %20 more attack speed and damage compared to non Inexonerable Judgement users, because even without dodge gives you stacks thing on IE you still get to 15-20 stacks of momentum

native cargo
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Just dump stuff into it, give it a good base, maybe some spice, boom done

obsidian ore
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Yes, it is a bit worse in single target dps than executor/precognition knives, but it is way more consistent, since lacerate is a great crit starter blessing

native cargo
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I'd use nyquil ramen as something to fool a hyper kid into thinking its blue koolaid or some shit just so they will go to sleep soundly

ornate bone
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With the knife's crit rate, the player can actually aim for headshots and not rely on happy little accidents that get more frequent the worse they are at dealing the weapon's finesse damage

obsidian ore
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Yup. Since knife's crit rate is already high enough, you benefit from stacking attack speed instead of extra crit chance

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as I said, I already stroll at %50 crit chance, but I attack %20 faster than piety users

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so it is also kinda extra crit chance when you think about it

ripe quest
obsidian ore
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also free damage from IE is neat, helps you greatly with your guns as well

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I understand, but straight damage isn't as great as letting your bleed melt through stuff most of the time, it is like having another knife stabbing at your enemies

fading vale
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what's the scourge timer again

obsidian ore
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straight damage requires me to focus on enemies enough to kill them

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i just graze them and let my bleed to the work

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so I can focus on much larger enemy pools at the same time

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I also am not lacking on damage breakpoints because with 5 uncanny stacks I can one shot headshot most stuff with heavy attacks/push attacks

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I don't need more damage, I need utility and synergy starters

native cargo
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LEVEL 69 MEAT!?!?!

obsidian ore
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try it, trust me, it is much better than simply running damage. As someone who has invested a fuckton of time using all types of knives, these are the best knives I have

north sedge
ripe quest
obsidian ore
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it makes it a better all rounder. I still have my giga damage pool, but I can achieve way more than I could with just simple damage buffs

native cargo
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is the T4 terrifing barrage worth?

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might harvest its organs

ripe quest
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It's not even good as a crowd damage tool with bleed though. Have you compared it with any other weapon? iirc bleed knife has worse crowd clear than a BM Taxe and it's considered the worst weapon for Zealot rn

ornate bone
ripe quest
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It significantly improves it's crowd clear, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't make it good at it

obsidian ore
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I have but other weapons are a different playing field, I'm specifically talking about knives. No other weapon in zealot's kit is as mobile as the knife, so why not make it's weaknesses a strength instead?

native cargo
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we getting there boys

minor sage
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bcz no point lol

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you can always run away

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from any weaknesses

obsidian ore
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lmao, I guess

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give it a shot if you are reading this lads, I know it sounds very anti-synergic because of the blessing choices, but trust me it isn't

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Lacerate + Uncanny Strike

ripe quest
fading vale
obsidian ore
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But I am not weakening myself that much by simply going lacerate, as I said, having uncanny strike bleeds on top of your knife hits is essentially having two knives stabbing one target at the same time.

ripe quest
obsidian ore
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I already hit most of the damage breakpoints I need to one shot important elites and specials

fading vale
obsidian ore
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it doesn't matter if I spend one extra light attack swipe on an ogryn when I can deal with mixed hordes by myself

ornate bone
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You can already do that with a normal uncanny knife

obsidian ore
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exactly, uncanny strike is great

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but lacerate makes it do something it normally souldnt

ornate bone
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Flesh tearer allows you to do that without your attacks either getting uncanny or bleed

obsidian ore
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I know, but flesh tearer needs you to go for extra crit chance

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or your initial bleed crit chance is low

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so it will be hard to proc the first bleed to get it going

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I'm going for attack speed and damage buffs instead of crit chance

ripe quest
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I've been on both sides of this coin and it's just not a good option

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Especially Lacerate of the two, you hit almost max stacks with 1 crit and you have a 50% crit chance

hallow hatch
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which knife is better?

ornate bone
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Maniac, I'd say

twilit perch
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Which perk should I drop out of these two?

obsidian ore
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It seems like we won't see eye to eye on this, it's fine, we had a good discussion.

Executor and precog are good blessings, good for going for single target damage. But they are not good enough to crowd clear just on a knife. I agree that you can use your range weapon to remedy your knife's weakness, but you are slowing your gameplay by a ton to use your range weapon. Most of the time I want the mobility of my knife to slide and run to reposition against important targets, so it isn't fitting my playstyle.

Running Lacerate allows me to go for crit synergies, which I shouldn't be able to without buffing my crit chance. I can take Enduring Faith and Invocation Of Death because I pretty much always have %50 crit chance, without sacrificing my attack speed or no strings attached damage.

It also fits in way better in my playstyle. I can switch up my targets mid fight because I don't have to focus down one target to kill it, allowing me to go for fast-damage sharing type of playstyle that allows my bleeds to shine with uncanny strike. Unlike damage buffs which requires me to stay on one target for a bit to fully kill it with my initial knife damage, I don't need to stay in one place, I can just stab an elite 2-3 times and uncanny bleeds will kill it for me.

I am also using Shroudfield to remove the most important single target enemies with one attack and I can get my cooldown back just like if I was using a full built crit setup (most important thing about this build). So I can shroudfield anything that doesn't already get one shotted by my heavy attacks (For example, ogryns or monstrosities). You won't be getting your ultimate back without going for crit synergies this quickly otherwise.

tardy thicket
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What should I change up for this chaxe

obsidian ore
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Keep in mind I'm using a very spefisic setup for this, I can share it with anyone if you are interested about playing with Lacerate + Uncanny Strike on your knife, you can DM me and I'll send you the build I'm using

next crow
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There's two schools of thought for knives, I think - top performance when already ramped up vs how fast the knife ramps up

hallow hatch
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ok

hushed knoll
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@lusty turtle I made chicken soup

ornate bone
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The thing about bleed proccing scourge on hordes is that the knife already deals with them properly without that to the point you can go an entire horde without triggering scourge by consistently aiming for the head

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Because that's what happens to me

next crow
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e.g. if you're running blazing piety plus something like uncanny/mercy killer, if all your buffs are down and you don't have your F skill available you need a crit to start it up again, which relies on the innate crit chance of the knife (15%?)

obsidian ore
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when I'm talking about hordes, it isn't unarmoured trash, it's mostly mixed with elites

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this build also does the same thing as I said, if it's unarmored just go for the heads

ornate bone
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And then for the actually important targets I get can easily proc scourge with the knife's crit rate, and I get flesh tearer to capitalize on that crit even further as well as not robbing me of the bleed stack because I didn't aim for the head

warm rapids
ornate bone
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Because flesh tearer gives a crit benefit to a crit weapon while lacerate gives a bodyshot benefit to a headshot weapon

obsidian ore
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that is true, but remember what I said?

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for flesh tearer to get the initial crit stacks to get going, you need to hit a crit first

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for that you need to invest in crit chance

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i don't need to invest in crit chance

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I'm investing in my attack speed instead, which makes my knife much more deadlier

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because if we are both hitting the same one shot breakpoints, I will be killing them faster because I have %20 attack speed on you

ornate bone
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I don't invest in crit chance

next crow
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if you're running lacerate, you may have a lower damage ceiling but the floor is higher cuz your ramp is much more reliable (hit one bodyshot and you can start the crit chance ramping)

obsidian ore
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but we benefit pretty much the same amount from crit synergies, even though I'm not running any crit boosts except %30

ornate bone
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I use inexorable judgement

nimble fiber
crisp schooner
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stats sucks ?

obsidian ore
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then you need to hit your initial bleed stack to start benefitting from the crit synergies

crisp schooner
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I don't know what to make of the 50%.

obsidian ore
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I don't have to wait

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because lacerate is a great starter

ornate bone
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You don't need to use it most of the time

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That's the thing with knife, people want to get a mass of damage in situations where they don't actually need it

obsidian ore
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you notice it way more when running a lacerate knife, how fast you get your ultimate cooldown down

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I played with your type of knife for a long timme

ornate bone
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I don't need it up all the time

obsidian ore
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here is what I used to run

spiral anvil
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You don't need a knife to exploit unlimited cdr

obsidian ore
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but as I said, since I made the switch

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it just clicks

spiral anvil
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An evis or HS will do it just as well

obsidian ore
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@spiral anvil of course brother, we are just talking about knives.

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try it and you'll understand what I'm trying to say here, go for crit synergies, only take %30 crit chance rampup on bleeds

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my new knife

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sprint efficiency is actually pretty good

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but you can take pretty much anything there

zealous basin
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whats up losers

sharp zodiac
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The table

obsidian ore
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The sky

zealous basin
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what da whar

frozen glen
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bleed

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bleed

south folio
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shut up bulging

native cargo
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what is bleed

zealous basin
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thunder hammer

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thunder hammer

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thunder hammer

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thunder hammer

tardy thicket
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bonker

safe coral
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how does the loner aura work

polar nexus
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It's couple coherency for single people

safe coral
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so i get 2% ammo regen from vet?

polar nexus
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You need to be in coherency with him

hushed agate
polar nexus
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You get tg regen coherency alone

safe coral
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tg?

ornate bone
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The vet's ammo regen doesn't stack per player

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Any specialist or elite kills made by anyone in coherency gives 1% ammo back to all players within it

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Loner makes it so that you get one more stack of the coherency indicator in your buff bar

sharp zodiac
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Sometimes I'm not sure why I even bother queueing for an instance

buoyant pecan
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I've stopped queueing entirely

buoyant pecan
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I await the real new weapons

ornate bone
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Something that indicates, I guess

sharp zodiac
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I should play something else to leeway myself

buoyant pecan
#

Indeed

#

Leave the Darktide for a time. It's good for the soul

hushed agate
sharp zodiac
#

What's that

hushed agate
#

Deep rock galactic

#

Its another great coop horde shooter

#

Try it

sharp zodiac
#

I could give it a shot

#

Why not

north sedge
#

play bg3

hushed agate
#

Its really fun as long as you aren't too scared of spidersthumbsup_ogryn

#

Although the bugs look more like the bread monsters from tf2 more than spiders

#

I need to play bg3 again. I got mad and dropped it after 40 minutes of progress because it never autosaved

#

Idk why it doesnt save on short rests or going to camp

north sedge
#

should be used to manual save

frozen glen
#

you need to use

hushed agate
frosty herald
#

Luna play tekken

median crow
sharp zodiac
#

Couldn't get into fighting games

median crow
north sedge
#

and she has bg3 already i believe

sharp zodiac
#

I do

#

Bought it 2 weeks back but got hooked on ror2

hushed agate
north sedge
#

you can live with corruption resist

hushed agate
#

Keep ability regen

sharp zodiac
#

Wish I could get into them

median crow
#

he's back

#

just rerolled 6 times only for the same contract to come back

misty raven
sharp zodiac
#

Full circle

north sedge
#

just play bg3

misty raven
#

I need to curb this darktide addiction and get back in fighting games

north sedge
#

have some bear fun

frosty herald
#

Mk11 is an easy one to get into

sharp zodiac
#

Hopefully bg3 grabs me and doesn't let me go

frosty herald
#

Not complicated and 2d

sharp zodiac
fading vale
#

I wish fighting games didn't make me want to punch the nearest object

sharp zodiac
#

Didn't click

drowsy steppe
north sedge
#

bg3 is very good, im sure you'll have fun

misty raven
#

I didn't play much fighting games until Guilty Gear Strive. Tekken and Granblue pretty fun though. SF6 I can't really click with any available character

frosty herald
#

Tekken 7 story mode my eternal enemy

sharp zodiac
#

I could try GG

ripe quest
#

Turn based fighting game

#

10/10

misty raven
north sedge
#

i played alot of kof back in the day, and a little cvs2/ggx2, then didnt play shit for years until gg strive/sf6

misty raven
#

Granblue Fantasy Versus though has a free version with weekly rotating characters

fading vale
sharp zodiac
#

Actually I'm gonna install GG strive and give that a shot whenever

#

Then I'm gonna get ready to slee

#

CauE it's like 3am

fading vale
#

I played a good bit of smash ultimate and I just wanted to murder half my friends for being bitches and cussed them out, so I just stay away

frosty herald
#

Dont touch fighting games online at all

misty raven
misty raven
north sedge
#

always touch fighting games online, especially on the nono button

sharp zodiac
#

Smash Bros ultimate I remember well

#

Made my ex PISSED

#

Playing byleth and corrin

fading vale
#

12 frame delay online

#

so good

north sedge
#

maybe in smash

misty raven
#

Well yea. Smash online sucks. Lots of good fighting games with good netcode now

north sedge
#

yea

fading vale
#

ye, like melee lul

frosty herald
#

I dont want to play online with the sweatiest dudes imaginable

#

I want to have fun

fading vale
#

thanks to dude that implemented rollback

misty raven
north sedge
#

the fun in fighting games is fighting people

fading vale
#

still blows my mind that someone implemented rollback multiplayer in melee in an emulator

#

like damn bro

minor sage
ripe quest
misty raven
minor sage
#

like back in the day, you'd play CS or something

#

and you'd go into a server where you knew ppl

#

and there'd be a variety of skill levels

frosty herald
#

I just want to hit button and have fun

minor sage
#

but nowadays nobody ever talks

minor sage
#

everybody just grinds for a rank

#

and you never see the same person again

#

after a game

north sedge
misty raven
#

Most dudes in matchmaking are your average joes that just learned the basics and bread and butter combos

polar nexus
#

I think chess is a better fighting game

fading vale
#

I got banned from my favorite pistols only server in rogue spear when I was like 8 years old for "hacking" and I'm still pissed

ripe quest
#

I'm sane

#

not sponsored

frosty herald
#

Luckily tekken 8 has combo trials so atleast i can finally learn how to do combos

frosty herald
#

Besides a little experimenting with jin in the demo

fading vale
#

they also implemented matchmaking and ranking and streamer mode in melee

north sedge
fading vale
#

damn

misty raven
# frosty herald I just want to hit button and have fun

Yea. When you learn the game you can hit buttons and have fun. The majority of people online just actually learned the basics to a type of videogame. It's like being mad that the dudes in CoD aren't just standing still for you to shoot

fading vale
#

I just get mad in cod when people play like absolute bitches and use dumb/easy stuff

north sedge
#

it's how people play street fighter 3 online, cause it has better netcode than capcom's release, lol

fading vale
#

not that I've played cod since black ops 1

frosty herald
#

Akimbo tec-9 like the rat i am

#

Akimbo is a good way to piss people off

sharp zodiac
#

I liked sniping

fading vale
#

it is

sharp zodiac
#

Really good at it for some reason

#

The average quickscoping randy

frosty herald
#

If cod ever makes the akimbo 1887 return its over

fading vale
#

shove your claymore up your ass while you camp in a corner

sharp zodiac
#

Twice

fading vale
#

and put your noobtube in your mouth and pull the trigger

misty raven
fading vale
#

sounds like a noob take

misty raven
#

If you weren't a noob it wouldn't faze you if they are using counterable noob stuff

fading vale
#

dying to a noob thing 1 in 1000 times is too many

misty raven
fading vale
#

uh huh

misty raven
#

What does that say about you if you see someone so lowly and they win against you? You lost?

fading vale
#

but they don't win, they just annoy me

misty raven
#

You're funny man. Maybe you right. PvP games aren't meant for you with the victim complex

fading vale
#

I just hate things that reward low skill

#

like rashad

light holly
#

What

#

Oh come on

#

That's wack

fading vale
#

anyways pvp pissed me off too much so I stopped playing, I tried to have more fun at one point but just went back

light holly
#

I can almost gurantee you
That alot of people building the best melee weapons in the game will still need to play the game well to succeed

fading vale
#

not Rashad

light holly
#

That's fair though

#

PVP games aren't for everyone

fading vale
#

and I mostly blame BM for Rashad, and that lights are good against everything but cara

light holly
#

It just ain't chief, BM even got nerfed

frosty herald
#

If i played mw3 you already know i would use akimbo swarm

light holly
#

But it is pretty good

#

Op even

fading vale
#

BM got buffed

light holly
#

Thought it got nerfed to have a cap

fading vale
#

but now it kills 4 per swing

light holly
#

yeah

#

that ain't infinite

fading vale
#

it was only infinite stagger before

fading vale
#

not primary damage on 4 things

south folio
#

it deals first target damage to the first 4 targets

#

that's a buff in terms of DPS

fading vale
#

esp vs minor elites

south folio
#

as long as you hit the one-shot bp

north sedge
#

mal you've come a long way since i had to yell at you to recruit more than one party member

polar nexus
#

There's no refresh now

#

What a nerf

sharp zodiac
drowsy steppe
#

Luna

#

🙂

sharp zodiac
#

Hehe

sharp zodiac
#

Fuck how do I access my camp I wanna swap out Markiplier for the vampire

frozen glen
#

get over ur bg3 addiction mal

sharp zodiac
#

Nvm found it

fading vale
#

I could probably play a high TTK shooter again idk

sharp zodiac
#

Play overwatch

Jk don't actually lol

light holly
#

Oh yoo you're starting bg3?

fading vale
#

that's part of why I liked crysis so much, no way a bad player could ever beat me in any scenario

#

oh man I hate overwatch lol

#

I tried getting into ow2 and idk

#

it just felt pretty bad

sharp zodiac
north sedge
#

that's basically starting

native cargo
#

I got robot prince of autchertool stuck in my head. When we getting admech stuff

sharp zodiac
#

Then yes

native cargo
#

LUNA

#

A captain was named Dorsworth

#

and I killed his british ass

sharp zodiac
#

B

#

B

fading vale
#

when you going back to France time

sharp zodiac
#

British??

native cargo
#

yuh

sharp zodiac
fading vale
#

it's what like 2 or 3am for you

sharp zodiac
#

Yeah

#

I should be in my bed but I'm standing in the middle of the living room

#

Forgot why tho

fading vale
#

lol

native cargo
#

...

#

witch

#

Trying to literally revive the living room

#

French I swear

fading vale
#

man I bought angel soft instead of Charmin

#

and I gotta say it's a noticeable downgrade

sharp zodiac
fading vale
#

and mazes

native cargo
#

Charmin ultra soft makes my bum itchy

fading vale
#

ultra strong is where it's at

fleet zealot
#

cheese

native cargo
#

Its called ultra strong but

#

like

#

it still rips

fading vale
#

idk wtf you are doing

fleet zealot
#

i tried some really expensive quilted northern once

fading vale
#

sounds kinda sus

fleet zealot
#

and it was like a towel

#

also be gentler jfc

#

ultra strong shouldn't rip

native cargo
#

tearing the toilet paper so I can use it ofc

fleet zealot
#

unless you are trying to tear the skin too

native cargo
#

If it was ultra strong it woulda supplexed me

sharp zodiac
#

Are you rubbing like you're using a cheese crator wtf

fading vale
#

cheese crater

#

like the moon

#

like your name

fleet zealot
#

cheese crator

native cargo
#

No I'm just tearring it off the roll so I can use it but like

#

if its ultra strong then why does it tear then

#

It should fight me

#

fight for the right to not be used

fading vale
native cargo
clear knot
#

so i replace hand cannon for crucian right?

fading vale
#

God he takes the best pictures

fading vale
sharp zodiac
#

No

#

My feet

fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
#

Have fallen off

fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
fading vale
#

actually what are revolver ADMs on flak maniac and unyielding

native cargo
#

and yes I'm a comfy rat

#

franch

frozen glen
#

bleed

native cargo
#

bulging

#

what is bleed

fleet zealot
#

no wait

#

im fucking stupid

clear knot
#

at least its unarmored and not smth else dum, itll help vs dreg gunners n stuff at least

fading vale
#

lol

fading vale
#

armor damage modifiers

south mortar
#

gotcha, mb

frozen glen
fading vale
#

I don't know if they are 100 or just below

fleet zealot
#

i read 60 as 80 but still remained typign it as 60

frozen glen
#

i bleed enemies

fleet zealot
#

idk how i fucked that one up

sharp zodiac
#

But I do have a friend named that

fading vale
native cargo
sharp zodiac
#

Not their actual name tho

#

Just an online one obviously

native cargo
#

idk how to spell the name

sharp zodiac
#

How are you going backwards

frozen glen
#

franchesca

native cargo
#

franchescene there we go

sharp zodiac
#

NO

polar nexus
fleet zealot
#

Franch

fading vale
#

btw what anime theme is that

frozen glen
#

i have exactly 4 flesh tearer lacerate knives

#

it's tokyo ghoul's unravel

fading vale
#

ah

fleet zealot
#

stan in a bottle

drowsy steppe
polar nexus
#

god

drowsy steppe
#

🙂

sharp zodiac
#

That is evil

fading vale
#

I thought about apex but I don't vibe with BRs or controller autoaim

frozen glen
#

apex going through its 78th arc of stupid ranked changes and cheaters and ranked boosting and

drowsy steppe
#

@frozen glen @fading vale How we feel about a 7200Mhz 2x16 RAM

frozen glen
#

dont need it

drowsy steppe
#

Im thinking of buying that, and the guy Im talking to recommends that

frozen glen
#

dont need it

royal vortex
#

Bay leaf

frozen glen
#

the guy ur talking to just wants u to spend more money

fading vale
#

I mean you can get super ram but it isn't gonna change anything

polar nexus
#

7200Mhz > fucking hell, ram are so fast now

north sedge
#

Bay leaf

fading vale
royal vortex
#

you know.

fading vale
#

stan

north sedge
royal vortex
#

yes

fleet zealot
drowsy steppe
#

so would a 5200 Mhz 2x8 would be better?

fleet zealot
#

where they changed their ranking and everyone shot up to like, diamond 1 or something

fading vale
frozen glen
#

apex legends

median crow
#

my frames are all of a sudden horrific

#

barely getting 20 fps

drowsy steppe
#

5200 Mhz 2x16 DDR5 Im thinking

frozen glen
#

mal can ur motherboard support those speeds even

drowsy steppe
#

yes

frozen glen
#

go for it

fading vale
fading vale
fleet zealot
#

LMAO

#

this shit

fleet zealot
frozen glen
#

apex legends

fleet zealot
#

i thought they couldn't beat "Oops, All Masters!"

north sedge
misty raven
fading vale
#

seemed obvious to me lol

vale carbon
#

welp, just got this little number.
stam to flak and rev it up to rampage?
I don't have shred so i'm blanking on if i should grind for that

north sedge
fleet zealot
fading vale
coarse birch
#

i could never get into high TTK shooters

granite minnow
coarse birch
#

i get tired of shooting a guy for 10 minutes and then he heals

#

i want someone to die when i shoot them

plucky sparrow
coarse birch
#

that is the main reason siege is the only comp FPS i could get into

#

and now i hate that game too sadge

misty raven
#

Fighting games and chivalry 2 are my PvP games of choice atm. AC6 got matchmaking. Should get back into that

coarse birch
#

yeah fighting games are pog

fleet zealot
#

i hate fighting games cause I'm bad and small brained

#

also I was "paid" in gaming hours at my gaming lounge as a teen to be a filler for their fighting game tournaments

#

fuck ermac players

coarse birch
#

ermac is quite annoying

#

i have put far more money into fighting games than i have made from them

ornate bone
#

Chivalry 1 gave me PTSD because everyone was a ballerina

royal vortex
#

for my own sanity i do not touch fighting games

misty raven
coarse birch
#

that is a good choice

ornate bone
#

The entire meta of the game was making instant attacks

coarse birch
#

fighting games at certain points have been bad for my mental health

ornate bone
#

And then you'd feint and the guy with level 79216 would start shitting himself in chat

coarse birch
#

if my mentality got bad enough

coarse birch
#

well for a competitor

#

i should say

#

still true

misty raven
#

Yea. Most competitors are far more negative

#

I went to evo. Went 2-2. Still fun

#

Vegas was fun

coarse birch
#

what game

misty raven
#

GG Strive, GGACC+R and DNF Duel went 2-2 all of them lol

north sedge
coarse birch
#

oh hey ive played GG

#

not DNF

misty raven
#

GG fun

coarse birch
#

cause i heard how fucked up it was on release

#

i dont have much time in GG just like 150 hours

misty raven
#

It was...a videogame

coarse birch
#

but its probs my fav 2d fighting game

#

or just regular fighting game in general

fading vale
#

damn

fleet zealot
#

what is that abomination

frozen glen
#

wow

misty raven
#

Funny wheel go brrrr at DNF launch

coarse birch
#

slaught/headtaker

#

wtf is +166 on block

#

what do you mean

#

thats nearly 3 seconds lol

misty raven
humble elbow
#

how much of a difference does 90% toughness regen make for loner zealot

#

cba to waste a billion plasteel

coarse birch
#

so if i block that

#

i just hold your pressure

#

for like

#

a long time

misty raven
#

They can do it again whatthefuck_heresy

ornate bone
#

I just watched an ogryn get folded by 2 bulwarks

coarse birch
#

im guessing theres a gap

#

since its got long startup

#

if they were to just do it twice

misty raven
fading vale
coarse birch
#

i see

#

that makes sense actually

fading vale
#

but of anything it does synergize with loner the most

coarse birch
#

i forget about DP cause i usually dont play DP characters

misty raven
misty raven
coarse birch
#

DPs are a little weird but like everything they eventually become muscle memory

misty raven
#

Yup, more people should give fighting games a try because it is muscle memory

misty raven
#

If anyone here is gamer enough to play damn, they are gamer enough to learn fighting games

sharp zodiac
#

I just like running around with a rapier or Katar

#

Or dagger

misty raven
#

Weird. Got a flag from the server about me liking Messer on vanguard and shuffle

native cargo
#

admech when so I can become the robot prince

copper hawk
#

Chiv 2

misty raven
#

Is good

#

I didn't choose the archer life 5 times in a row. The shuffle chose it for me

heavy arch
#

ong fr next class better be ad mech

sharp zodiac
#

Very silly too

#

Like that one time a dude taunted a ballista enemy

#

Dude missed and he still died because he fell in the dumbest way possible

misty raven
#

Lmao. Gotta watch that footwork I love when some guys run up to end my time on the ballista and they die on the step

drowsy steppe
#

turn off randomization on the store and players

#

PLEASE

heavy arch
#

lets play chiv 2

sharp zodiac
#

Yeah I do lose my shield

#

But it works if the ballista guy can actually aim

misty raven
#

I'm gonna get 3 days to play fighting games and chiv 2 before having to go out again for a job trip

sharp zodiac
heavy arch
#

whats ur chiv2 lvl

misty raven
#

Do feel kinda bad when the person seems new. Oh well

sharp zodiac
heavy arch
#

o nice

misty raven
#

Don't remember the lvl on my EGS version. Got the steam version as well through humble bundle

sharp zodiac
#

Most used weapon is the one I already said, most played class is knight but only because I wanted the lvl 70 armour

heavy arch
#

i switched from mordhau when chiv came on steam

sharp zodiac
#

Next to it is man of arms and ambusher

misty raven
#

Shuffle life

sharp zodiac
#

Never tried shuffle actually

#

Didn't even know it was a thing

misty raven
#

Get everything slowly...eventually...

heavy arch
#

shuffle is fun until u get archer 5x in a row

sharp zodiac
#

I love Archer if it's javelin archer

#

Because the bows feel icky for me

heavy arch
#

i play warbow but up close and i jump around and 360

#

basically spazz out

misty raven
#

That's when you be a God gamer with aim or run and grab the highlander sword as an archer

heavy arch
#

most of the time i just swap to dagger and start shanking

sharp zodiac
#

Stole a guys shovel and had similar experience

#

Just less killing

heavy arch
#

i just started a game on shuffel and it made me archer see fml

misty raven
#

Was spamming the pickaxe for a bit

sharp zodiac
#

Pickaxe is fun

#

Nothing special just a funny bait out

summer moth
#

did i just drop a goated knife

frozen glen
#

nah

summer moth
#

sadge

fleet zealot
#

both perks are bad

summer moth
#

bugged good or bugged bad

#

o

fleet zealot
#

and ruthless backstab imo just worse uncanny strike

fleet zealot
vale carbon
#

ha! take a look at this random gift weapon i got just now. it's almost a perfect clone of the one i was using

summer moth
#

i have this guy also, what do i swap ruthless backstab out for here

fleet zealot
#

i go sleep now

fleet zealot
#

and crit chance to uhh

#

fuck idk, someone needs to do more knife testing and it isn't going to be me

summer moth
#

lol

fleet zealot
#

anyways the bonus rending you can get from talents/blessings cannot go over 100%, it is capped

#

so you def want to swap out ruthless

next crow
#

you could potentially keep crit and swap specialists for something like flak or maniac... depends if the 8% will let you hit breakpoints but even then specialists are usually best killed with ranged (except mutant/dog i guess)

vale carbon
#

how good/bad is showstopper anyway? in DRG there's a similar weapon with a similar mechanic that's decent, but this is elites/specials only. i managed to get blaze away 3 and idk which of the two are more useful

copper hawk
#

Glargh

#

Showstopper is terrible

#

Tiny radius

#

No damage

vale carbon
#

shame

copper hawk
#

Like next to no damage

#

And doesn't spread fore

vale carbon
#

it would have been funny

copper hawk
#

U want blaze away

#

And i think overpressure

#

But iirc it's bugged

#

And doesnt apply damage when it should

vale carbon
#

i got overpressure 3 on that

native cargo
#

darktide's latest rapper

#

good lad

misty raven
#

I remember seeing a zealot named "Vore-Me-Emperor"

native cargo
#

musta been a fan of the Atoman Snail

ripe quest
frozen glen
#

do u mean the primary fire as in the projectile of the single target puff attack and the dot or without the dot or the secondary fire and all of the flame projectiles with the dot or without the dot

royal vortex
#

what

jolly musk
#

DOT ( damage over time

frozen glen
#

little baby girl

ornate bone
#

GAMERS

#

What are the current stamina regen delay values for each class?

plucky sparrow
alpine egret
#

so im running a critical fury build with 2 17% toughness curios, imma slap on a 16% to fill it out but I have 20% gunner on it currently, what should I put for the other two spots ? my other two curios have toughness/tough regen / combat ability regen

heavy arch
#

ordo dockets and toughness

north sedge
#

Flat toughness, hp

drowsy steppe
north sedge
#

Yes

fleet zealot
fleet zealot
#

My brain is on that dementia pack i guess

#

Executor uncanny is fine and great

spare dome
#

what are the other heavy swords even for

fleet zealot
#

All 3 are being used rn

#

Infact mk6 is apparently overtaking the mk9 via just being the better elite killer

north sedge
#

Back scratcher, meal prep, skinning game, wood carving

fleet zealot
#

Someone said they run the mk7 cause it plays more like the mk6 than the mk9

north sedge
#

Whatever you like

fleet zealot
#

And of course mk9 is brainless classic

coarse birch
#

headhunter does go to rarity 4 right

#

i just have bad luck

royal vortex
#

yes

coarse birch
#

ok ty

#

i am trying HH mk9 autogun on my DD/Scriers build wish me luck

#

i have never used this thing

royal vortex
#

the agri hh is a bit

#

painful

#

but godspeed

tidal spoke
#

is it worth it to buy just for bloodthirsty ? Dont know what blessings are good for chainaxes

strange kestrel
#

Thats a cop

#

Not for bloodthirsty lol

#

Thrust and thunderous go hard on chaxe

rigid trellis
#

bloodthirsty is only passable for mk15 evis

strange kestrel
#

Barely

tidal spoke
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okay 🙂 thx for the advice guys. i already have decent chainaxes statswise

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so i wont buy this one

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thrust and thunderous you say huh

strange kestrel
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Yep

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Cuz of the interaction with the revved heavies or lights depending on chaxe and thunderous

tidal spoke
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have this one

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and this one

strange kestrel
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I mean both are salvageable

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Theyre not bricks just cuz u can swap 1 perk and 1 blessing and itd be 3/4 for both weapons

tidal spoke
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yeah i guess on the second one i can change bloodletter and 1 perk

strange kestrel
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Take ss off that thing and put on rampage

rigid trellis
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the perks are fine, you could swap unyielding for carapace if you wanted to though

drowsy steppe
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@frozen glen Cakes and candles my brotha

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🎂

strange kestrel
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Perks are always flak maniac

rigid trellis
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ss is fine for a crit cdr build even on new evis, you wont be damaging all the things you hit but it will still count for cdr

tidal spoke
strange kestrel
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But unyielding and carapace go hard as well

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Just, flak maniac is better

tidal spoke
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blessings for shotgun ? :3

rigid trellis
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there's a guide for all this in the pins btw

strange kestrel
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Ok people dont agree with me on this one but scattershot flechette goes hard

tidal spoke
strange kestrel
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The majority likes full bore no respite though

tidal spoke
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worth it then for scattershot ? haha

strange kestrel
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Thats pretty good i wouldnt use it to extract the blessing

tidal spoke
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hmmm

tidal spoke
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alright 🙂 then thx for the advice. time to grind more plasteel. My urge to get surge blessing for my voidstaff keeps me broke

coarse birch
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it does what i need it to

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but there are better options

native cargo
coarse birch
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however im a little bored of mk3 and i dont know how well mk7 would work on a psyker lol

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also HBD red

royal vortex
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it's in a much better state than pre-13 cuz they fixed the burst timings being equivalent to the fire rate of the old vraks 7

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and i think unfucked the stagger a lil

coarse birch
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yeah its seems consistent

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even with low stability

polar nexus
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and elite is ragers and crushers

coarse birch
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and psyker can really abuse the finesse

strange kestrel
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Go for it

royal vortex
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the vraks 7 eludes me

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i cannot click heads good enough

coarse birch
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i love that thing

polar nexus
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but yeah if maniac is locked or whatever it's not lost

coarse birch
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but im not sure about on psyker

royal vortex
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it goes really good and then it goes really bad and i get mad at the gun and put it down after 1 game

coarse birch
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maybe it would work

royal vortex
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in terms of "backline and shoot constantly" weapons i like the agri/graia iag more but i only really use em on vet and sometimes psyker

coarse birch
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i havent tried HH/DA on it

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cause i ran no respite surgical last i used it on vet

polar nexus
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then in mission...

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STOP MOVING

royal vortex
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susfire is a much better blessing than either deathspitter or fire frenzy and being able to use them more effectively is nice

polar nexus
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I SAID STOP

coarse birch
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i even liked it pre patch 13

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but it was