zealot-class

[misty raven]

But I also like my bolter for zealot

[sharp zodiac]

Otherwise I SCREAM VERY LOUDLY

[coarse birch]

weird way to say DD

[south folio]

oh yeah that too

i forgor DD was a thing

[coarse birch]

i havent used helbore in a minute

[south folio]

marksman focus replaced DD in my head

[coarse birch]

arco i thought i knew you

[royal vortex]

i used helbore a couple times in p13

[sharp zodiac]

DO YOU FEEL MORE MOTIVATED

[royal vortex]

it was funny

[azure mortar]

and you manage to play even with this god awful handicap ?

[royal vortex]

but also its not the kind of playstyle i like all that much

[coarse birch]

whats next binding m1 to ping

now id prefer to just use mk12 las

although i prefer mk4 las

[royal vortex]

im not really a stand back and shoot kind of person

[coarse birch]

overall

then i use it and im sad

[brisk raft]

Its not on all the time but yea

[sharp zodiac]

I think it's why ironically despite being most played zel is my least favorite

Somehow

[royal vortex]

playing vet w/o trench fighter makes me wanna rope myself

[sharp zodiac]

Psyker and vet support a playstyle I'm just more used to

[coarse birch]

i like just play zealot and psyker these days

[royal vortex]

i hopped on ogryn for a couple of games

man

[sharp zodiac]

Never played ogryn

Never will

[royal vortex]

there was no brain activity

[coarse birch]

vet just doesnt interest me rn and playing ogryn uses less brain power than hitting my head on the desk

[south folio]

i'm waiting for psyker to get a proper precision staff, and for zealot I want a non-eviscerator 2h sword

[brisk raft]

As in the depressing rope or the japanese fun body rope?

[royal vortex]

i didn't have a single intelligent thought this game

i just mashed buttons

[royal vortex]

depressing rope

[coarse birch]

surprised you dont have ovenproof

[royal vortex]

i cant be bothered

[south folio]

dum bith

[royal vortex]

dont want to have to fuck with all my scoreboard settings for the millionth time

[coarse birch]

you can just replace the extension

really

[sharp zodiac]

Vet and psyker have the least amount of variety in weapons I use

Actually I'd put it like

1. Zel ( I love using a lot of weapons)

2. Vet( IAG 's and precision weapons)

3. Psyker (just voidstrike assail with dueling sword lol)

[royal vortex]

anyways the point was

ogryn is so comically stupid

i was a full melee build

twice the ranged damage

compared to melee

[coarse birch]

my ogryn is so far behind

[royal vortex]

because i brought a kickback and just shot everything

[coarse birch]

cause i just dont want to play that

i was glad they buffed kickback cause i really liked it pre patch 13 and then i used it and i was like

bruh

[royal vortex]

its like

wow. this gun is overtuned

cool

[coarse birch]

i will

[misty raven]

Been using gorgon on my bull rush ogryn

[royal vortex]

and then u put it down or u do what i did and use it to farm for the 1 million kills frame

[native cargo]

BLOOOOOOOD

[coarse birch]

one shot the sniper across the map with my cannon

[royal vortex]

i think my problem with ogryn is that like

[coarse birch]

and aiming reticle that takes up the screen

[royal vortex]

besides the mechanical stuff

the guns are all super restrictive in how u use em

[forest adder]

What else should I change on this ya'll think?

[coarse birch]

his melee weapons also dont interest me a ton after like

[royal vortex]

theres not much of interest going on

[coarse birch]

a few games

cause there is just not much variety

[frozen glen]

flesh tearer to uncanny strike and weak spot to flak/maniac/unyielding/carapace

[royal vortex]

like there's not really much actual recoil control to worry about, different mks of stubbers don't really have different "handling" the bloom just gets bigger faster on some than others

[coarse birch]

like i can use a club/shovel or a knife and get a very small gameplay difference

[royal vortex]

the grenade gauntlet is really cool and its also just a siginificantly worse revolver

[royal vortex]

the knifes shouldve been finesse weapons

[forest adder]

Does Uncanny have that much value atm? Aren't the bleed stacks gewd?

[coarse birch]

and the only slightly interesting one is mk4

[frozen glen]

the revolver doesnt have an explodey punch

[coarse birch]

GG is cool yeah

[frozen glen]

uncanny is the best blessing on the knife

[coarse birch]

i use that now

rippers are also fun

[ornate bone]

Uncanny buffs the bleed stacks too

[frozen glen]

and u get bleed stacks from scourge anyway

[coarse birch]

ive just used them a decent bit

[median zenith]

Guys, I picked up the thunder hammer 3 days ago and I haven't played any other build/class since then. Should I seek help?

[native cargo]

red was running bleed knife in the last few games I played with em it was

[forest adder]

Whaaaat

[native cargo]

scary

he was spooky

[royal vortex]

the stubbers are all over the place rn

[native cargo]

shouting bleed

[royal vortex]

i also don't really like ogryn's designated "secondary" sidearms

[south folio]

rip

[coarse birch]

stubbers just arent different enough

[ornate bone]

Also bleed is like noticeably bad in most enemies if you check the numbers in the psykhanium

[coarse birch]

its like

fast slow bad

thats it

[royal vortex]

GG/kickback/rumbler don't really compliment melee that well

[coarse birch]

one has a little more stagger

[royal vortex]

because GG is an anti-armor single target that can snipe specials but can't really do it in density well

but like

most of ur melees

[brisk raft]

I use bleed on Zealot just to get more crits

[royal vortex]

are anti armor single target

[forest adder]

So dat lookin gewd?

[coarse birch]

better anti armor single target

too

[ornate bone]

People like to think of stuff like "but if I have to change targets", except getting more damage right off the bat means you can just take less time on each target and not have that situation happen as often

[frozen glen]

yep

thats good

[native cargo]

I use bleed on my crusher

[coarse birch]

other than like flak packs

[frozen glen]

shut up rat

[royal vortex]

rumbler is bad

[native cargo]

hush

bulging

[royal vortex]

it's a scab melee only weapon and thats p much it rn

kickback is just

[frozen glen]

i am bulging

[royal vortex]

kickback

u fire it constantly

[forest adder]

I'll give it a whirl and see how it goes! Thanks!

[royal vortex]

and with a surv vet u dont run outta ammo

its comically hard to run out of kickback shots. the ammo buff was completely unnecessary

[coarse birch]

im kinda coming to not like surv

[royal vortex]

basically nobody who defends it has ever made a coherent argument

i get a lot of people who can't read defending it which is funny

[native cargo]

kickback is op. Legit used it with a few others here to make leveling my ogryn a cake walk

[fleet zealot]

kickback used to suck donkey

now it's amazing, happy for it's glow up

[coarse birch]

it used to just knock shit over

it was just an overbuff

[frozen glen]

kickback is fine cuz it uhhh only has 1 round

[coarse birch]

imo

[native cargo]

I stopped playing ogryn since I got mega annoyed each and every time I got stuck on a random poxwalker when trying to dodge or move in general. It was a detail that made me screech and return to my zealot

[coarse birch]

which like isnt shocking

[forest adder]

Veteran straight up just needs Survival to be built in as a passive, and have the keystones be an actual choice.

[native cargo]

I bonked and bonked but it was never enough to stop that one poxwalker from body blocking me

[ornate bone]

but i like fun and if you dont like fun then just play grey weapons?????????????

[fleet zealot]

nah

[coarse birch]

good thing getting hit in melee as ogryn doesnt matter

[fleet zealot]

they should nerf survival but give every class an optional ammo regen tool besides like, psykers

[next trench]

im actually mad as fuck, in the 1st new map, the last part in the stadium, you are supposed to stay in the start part, the 2 idiots in my team went all the way out died, my veteran got overrun, died, i was left with over 500 enemies

all thrown

[native cargo]

Only matters if a trapper comes along or an overhead from a mauler/crusher. Otherwise I'm like: "daym thats crazy"

[next trench]

800 plasteel mission

[fleet zealot]

even then psykers could probabyl be fine with a riff off of ogryn lucky bullet

[native cargo]

heavy attack

[sharp zodiac]

Heavier attack

[frozen glen]

sounds like u didnt bleed them enough

[fleet zealot]

change out Loner aura for Tithe aura, zealot receives a bonus X% of ammo picked up/regen'd by teammates

[next trench]

holy shit i was spam clicking so much

[forest adder]

To be fair, if half your team went out to fight and you abandoned them, its a little bit on you.

[native cargo]

Yes this is my new favorite screenshot

its so fucking

[sharp zodiac]

Free food

[native cargo]

hilarious

[royal vortex]

vet would be incredibly based if it was the only class that had ammo regen as a mechanic

just tie it to the keystones

[next trench]

it was fog with snipers

i couldnt even peek lol

[fleet zealot]

no

cause that would just make a specific keystone mandatory

[coarse birch]

well

[royal vortex]

no it wouldn't

[coarse birch]

rn its the aura is madatory

[royal vortex]

have u seen how ppl talk about surv

not surv

[fleet zealot]

ammo regen is cringe cause it's a massive boost for any high level run

[royal vortex]

marksman's focus

u just make it so each keystone gives vet a dif way to regen ammo for themselves

[fleet zealot]

marksman focus is just scary text to spook people who can't aim

[native cargo]

no im not a vet main so I ignore that they exist like they do me

[forest adder]

The veteran keystones are so weak compared to every other classes

[royal vortex]

psyker/zealot already have options for effectively infinite ammo economy to varying degrees

[fleet zealot]

oh i see i see

[coarse birch]

they also like to make stuff run off of enemy density which can get pretty insane given enemy density in this game

[royal vortex]

assail/tknives are both super good for not spending bullets killing stuff at range

[fleet zealot]

i thought y'all meant ammo economy as in teamwide ammo on a keystone

[royal vortex]

o god no

[misty raven]

True. Like buddy. Every poxwalker is free stacks

[native cargo]

My ammo economy is getting into melee

[fleet zealot]

marksman focus is probably the highest skill to reward keystone in the game

[royal vortex]

i think vet should be the class with the explicit "you get bullets back for doing X thing"

[wraith helm]

Well if they made other auras worth a shit, then maybe people would just pick it and not feel bad

[fleet zealot]

if you practice your fps pro gamer skills you are gonna steamroll

[forest adder]

Cool, but its unfun as fuck to use, therefore its bad.

[misty raven]

I don't feel that skillful with MF. Feel pretty normal play

[fleet zealot]

4 u

[native cargo]

I haven't touched my vet in eons

[coarse birch]

i just run weapons specialist

[forest adder]

https://tenor.com/view/for-you-bane-the-dark-knight-rises-tom-hardy-gif-21912820

[native cargo]

I just like it when vets bring along uhhh

[sharp zodiac]

Mf is fun because I just run revolver

[native cargo]

field improv or something

[coarse birch]

but thats just cause i melee everything

[native cargo]

something useful

[sharp zodiac]

Focus target is ok

[misty raven]

Idk I find it fun 1 tapping ragers

[royal vortex]

i like marksman's focus and weapon specialist because they are actually making me play the game in different ways than i might otherwise

[sharp zodiac]

Weapons specialist is the same as mf

Great

[royal vortex]

my enjoyment of keystones comes down to how impactful i actually feel they are

which is why ogryn fucking SUCKS all 3 keystones are just stat buffs for no conditions

[forest adder]

Zealot straight up just has the best keystones though.

[fleet zealot]

vet lowkey has some of the best designed keystones but the mains of the FPS shooter man class have a panic attack if they have to aim for headshots

[royal vortex]

zealot has 1 keystone i actually like

[native cargo]

loner perk is bis

[fleet zealot]

or if they have to use melee

[native cargo]

they shadow buffed it

[misty raven]

You can send me my tips for that 3 toughness I gave you off that poxwalker

[royal vortex]

inexorable judgement is fantastically designed

the other 2

not so much

[sharp zodiac]

Just tell them to install aimbot/j

[fleet zealot]

which somehow doesn't counteract the first issue, cause vet mains are babies

[native cargo]

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt hate piety if it wasnt so fucking stupid

[fleet zealot]

I love me martyrdom

[coarse birch]

for cdr

[royal vortex]

martyrdom would be way cooler as a flat malus to your defenses in some way that is traded for immediate damage

[fleet zealot]

piety is stupid rn

[native cargo]

Idk much of the vet tree I just like field improv because it does so much

[sharp zodiac]

Piety has gotten boring as hell for me

[native cargo]

also makes it where I don't gotta look for nades when im lazy

[royal vortex]

rather than "use shittier curios and also take damage to deal damage" which just feels like they realized they had to give competent players any reason to not instantly sell wounds curios

[sharp zodiac]

I prefer martyr

[fleet zealot]

55% free crit chance total from talent tree, crits refresh your piety, crits refund cdr

[misty raven]

I would say focus target is lame since it's a near free resource for constant toughness, stam, and dmg that just promotes spam

[fleet zealot]

enjoy you want fucking cake with your build too?

[native cargo]

momentum better smh smh

[sharp zodiac]

True true

[coarse birch]

momentum is in fact best keystone

[sharp zodiac]

Unfortunately

[fleet zealot]

yea i agree there I forgot focus target

[sharp zodiac]

Check your shoes

[native cargo]

I don't wear shoes ima rat

[sharp zodiac]

Feet

[native cargo]

don't got feet

[sharp zodiac]

What the fuck

[royal vortex]

it's one of the cooler ones

[sharp zodiac]

Nevermind

[azure mortar]

so you're a furry ?

[native cargo]

I am majestical

[fleet zealot]

it's pretty bad

[coarse birch]

DD might be my fav keystone overall

[fleet zealot]

where do you think you are

[royal vortex]

i want to like blazing piety

[sharp zodiac]

Whas that

[coarse birch]

but i dont play ogyrn/vet much so im biased

[misty raven]

Hey! I'm a vet main

[sharp zodiac]

Dungeons dragons

[royal vortex]

but the keystone doesn't really do anything

[coarse birch]

disrupt destiny

[azure mortar]

zealot chat ?

[sharp zodiac]

Oh

Psyker i assume

[coarse birch]

ye

[royal vortex]

the only thing it really does is let u spam ults rn

[coarse birch]

weapons specalist is cool too

[royal vortex]

without it ur just stuck with something mildly underwhelming

[sharp zodiac]

The only two I use are the middle and left

[sharp zodiac]

Never touched psyker's right keystone

[coarse birch]

its worse than EP

for sure

[fleet zealot]

Destiny is just shit

[forest adder]

Its pretty decent now. It was bugged for ages

[fleet zealot]

idk how it hasn't been fixed

[coarse birch]

but its good

[royal vortex]

ep and warp charges are both god awful design

[fleet zealot]

and by fixed, replaced

[next trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904529427222896721/1193371791771566170/DIE.mp4?ex=65ac7916&is=659a0416&hm=e29269c25dbe07743c8b1819aa25181d34098600fdc1b433778f4fd81888e2b9&

[royal vortex]

dd is based and i love it

[fleet zealot]

warp charges are GREAT Except

[coarse birch]

EP is just

so

[brisk raft]

Stop touching the Psykers keystones, its inappropriate

[coarse birch]

bleh

[fleet zealot]

they packed in quicken for no reason

[native cargo]

what is dd

is that like

diamond dogs

[sharp zodiac]

If they don't they'll explode

[royal vortex]

warp charges are incredibly lame and the only thing people will use them for is shit like spamming venting shriek

[fleet zealot]

random trash mob gets highlighted by you, you have to kill it

[brisk raft]

I kinda like Disrupt Destiny

[royal vortex]

which is one of the least interesting and mechanically engaging playstyles psyker has

[fleet zealot]

I think warpcharges would be 100% cooler if they made quicken an optional talent

[royal vortex]

EP is likewise just boring. there's nothing going on with it

[coarse birch]

EP just makes your shit better for playing the game

[fleet zealot]

(Quicken, old psyker feat that made vent spend warp charges)

[brisk raft]

They'll let out a Venting Shriek

[coarse birch]

which isnt super interesting

[royal vortex]

warp charges are fucking stupid and they have yet to find a reason to ever make me want to pick a keystone that gives you options to ignore the fundamental mechanic of it

this was always a gripe ive had

[native cargo]

sounds like...fun?

o.o?

[royal vortex]

before you would run kinetic flayer or communion and you would pretend like the "you have to BB stuff" aspect didn't exist. flat out

[coarse birch]

gives +move speed and finesse

per stack

[sharp zodiac]

I like it when they do that

[ripe quest]

I enjoy Martyr's design now that you can 1. actually stack wounds and be viable and 2. can still stack Toughness curios and use it for survivability.

[coarse birch]

up to 15 without a node 30 with a node

[lean lark]

disrupt destiny is pretty dogshit since it doesn't target elites but only trash mobs imo

[royal vortex]

now you're locked in to the shitty dropping charges thing and it's still incredibly unengaging. i'm not actually doing anything i wouldn't otherwise to use the keystone

[fleet zealot]

gl spinning your camera for the single highlighted mob just to have it stolen from you

[lean lark]

why would I ever want disrupt destiny over warp charges or empowered psionics(if I'm blitz-heavy)

[fleet zealot]

keep scrolling normie

destiny is obviously for gunker

[brisk raft]

When you kill them you get a timelimited buff which you can stack and refresh with each highlighted kill.

Not the easiest but fun for me at least

[coarse birch]

if you dont like ep or warp charges lol

[fleet zealot]

just like gaze

[coarse birch]

no other reason

[fleet zealot]

it's just weird

[misty raven]

I like Martyrdom because it's when I don't have to think with my build. Oh I got hit? I'll regen some of that back and enemy on their ass. Oh I going to my next wound? Gonna mitigate some of that damage. Oh I went to 1hp? No I didn't, I'll get back some HP.

[royal vortex]

EP is fucking boring. it's incredibly lame and it could be so much cooler conceptually

[lean lark]

it's not boring

[coarse birch]

i also think assail is broken enough without EP

so i dont run EP

[lean lark]

you empower the psionic

[brisk raft]

I can only ever Scryier Gaze with Gun Psyker

[south folio]

warp charges costs two more points and has worst talents along its path

[royal vortex]

yeah it is. if your idea of fun is "here's brainburst but more" or "here's assail but a lot more" it may be fun

[azure mortar]

if you think i'm not a degenerate you are cruelly mistaken

[royal vortex]

but i like keystones as a major part of your build that influences playstyle in an interesting way

[fleet zealot]

ahhaha space needles go brr

[royal vortex]

ep is just

me hit blitz key

throw 5 shards at shotgunners

all dead with no cost

engaging

[misty raven]

EP is boring but I need it because it makes BB tolerable

[coarse birch]

assail desperately needs an ammo nerf

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

[coarse birch]

give me 5

shards

[fleet zealot]

it's in a fine spot right now

[forest adder]

Damn this knife is slamming

[fleet zealot]

even with EP you'll run out and have to switch

[coarse birch]

ill run out after clearing half a room

[brisk raft]

It feels balanced now

[coarse birch]

and getting it back right away

[fleet zealot]

and it's damage got hurt a lot too

[misty raven]

It's still perfectly usable and you still have people crying because it's not a full primary that carries you through a run

[fleet zealot]

don't nerf it into bad doo doo water tier

[south folio]

10 max shards is too much

[coarse birch]

yeah

[fleet zealot]

Assail needed nerfs and adjustment cause it literally took over the game for all difficulties

[coarse birch]

its a quickswap

[misty raven]

Nah it's fine

[royal vortex]

i wish i could just take a sledgehammer to the majority of psyker's tree

same with ogryn really

[coarse birch]

10 shards is a whole ass weapon

[royal vortex]

well the whole ogryn tree

[fleet zealot]

now it has slower ammo regen and less damage

[misty raven]

You dump the shards and can use your melee or range

[south folio]

people just need to learn to quickswap and realize that perks/blessings on your actively held weapon apply to assail

[fleet zealot]

why can't a psyker blitz be a primary weapon

[south folio]

because they're fucking boring

[royal vortex]

because blitzes are not primary weapons otherwise they would be in the primary weapon slot

[frozen glen]

this is why we dont play psyker

[fleet zealot]

like why not, psyker doesn't have to be bound by the grenade rules of the other classes

[fleet zealot]

why does psyker have to conform

[south folio]

psyker already isn't bound by the grenade rules of the other classes

5 shards still allows you to use them quite often

[misty raven]

They really shouldn't be. That's the point of your staff and melee.

[brisk raft]

Almost every Assail Psyker I see cant outdamage an average Stave Psyker let alone Gun Psyker

[south folio]

it's just a titanfall smart pistol and that's insanely boring

[fleet zealot]

the space wizard class shouldn't be bound to "ahhaha you can't have your natural abilities as a primary weapon"

[royal vortex]

its bound by the rule that you should have to care about the weapons you bring this isn't an "other classes" rule it's a basic part of the fucking gameplay

[coarse birch]

5 shards makes it actually quick swap

[south folio]

assail should be a quickswap weapon

not a weapon that you can just brainlessly spam

[coarse birch]

use it to snipe something quickly or for stagger

[royal vortex]

it is how the game works. the weapons need to be your primary mode of interaction cuz that is what the weapons are made for

[coarse birch]

not

"oh elite pack let me delete it for no effort"

[south folio]

heaven forbid that you need to use your brain to get the fullest use out of something

[fleet zealot]

there is no reason for psyker to not have a blitz option that encourages heavy use like a primary weapon

[plucky sparrow]

assail just turned into zealots knifes real

[south folio]

it's called brain burst

[unborn heart]

Brain Hurty

Too much blitz make brain ouch

[fleet zealot]

brain burst def isn't primary weapon material wiht it's single target slow cast time

[south folio]

yeah that's cuz its stats are shit

[native cargo]

Why do psykers gotta edge their perils so much

[fleet zealot]

smite is a support/cc tool

[misty raven]

They literally have a staff. BB is for Monstronsities and target focus, smite is for CC and assail is chaff spam. It shouldn't be a staff replacement

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/austinpowers-livedangerously-mike-myers-gif-5567066

[coarse birch]

yeah psyker does not need 3 full on weapons

given how good the current ones are

[fleet zealot]

and any chaff spammer to not be useless is gonna need some level of spammability

[south folio]

keep in mind that assail is on the right-side tree which is geared towards gunkers for the moment
I should be spending most of my time shooting and throwing my magic daggers on the side

and assail just isn't fun if it is to be spammed

[fleet zealot]

see I get this logic

[unborn heart]

I barely use 2 weapons

[fleet zealot]

even if I don't go gunker and just go magic focused assail

[misty raven]

I'd say assail is in a good spot as it is unlike before. You can use assail for a lot of a mission, but it shouldn't be stronger than your staff

[south folio]

a weapon should be fun to use, and that usually entails having some modicum of brain cells to use

[royal vortex]

assail's design is to be a weapon that synergizes heavily with quickswapping and using as an in-between action. it benefits from all sorts of weapon blessings, has a quicker first-throw time than subsequent ones, etc

[south folio]

and keep in mind that assail has a very low active time cost

oops, you ran out of shards? oh well, time to use your other weapons while they regenerate

[royal vortex]

the fact that it came out in a state where it was a primary and really the only weapon you needed isn't what it was made for

[south folio]

because they regenerate in the fucking background

[forest adder]

Assail would be great if you actually had to aim it to get the tracking part of the damage

Otherwise it should just disappear

[fleet zealot]

see josho and arcotash can think on a level that makes sense

[south folio]

it's not like brain burst or smite where you have to be actively holding the weapon for the entirety of their usage

[fleet zealot]

you do have to aim it, they narrowed down the aim cone a bit in the nerfs iirc

[sharp zodiac]

Honestly I'd like that

[coarse birch]

you dont really need to aim it

[south folio]

i doubt they did

[sharp zodiac]

I only use assail for the aiming long distance anyway

[fleet zealot]

but the shards will try to go for enemies you are looking at

[sharp zodiac]

Otherwise I just use voidstrike

[south folio]

the shards lock on even if you swipe your screen side-to-side

[coarse birch]

get it in the general direction

[south folio]

it is extremely generous aim assist

[coarse birch]

and your fine

[royal vortex]

assail is really cool for exactly what it was designed for. and then fatshark kind of immediately forgot what they were doing with it and that is how you got the braindead damage redistribution from left to right click

assail's rmb shouldn't even exist imo

its stepping on brainburst's toes way too much

[fleet zealot]

I've uhh, fucked a burster by swapping and looking at a burster while my shards were in air

[forest adder]

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. It sucks that you don't need to aim it.

[fleet zealot]

and just seeing them take the full 180 spin and knocking it into our team

[forest adder]

It would be way more fun if you did have to

[royal vortex]

assail isn't throwing knives. that's the entire point of them

[south folio]

i'd rather they keep the aim assist and make it a quickswap weapon

[fleet zealot]

this is fucking true

[coarse birch]

yeah just make it a quickswap weapon

[royal vortex]

they are paired well with a gun specifically because you don't have to have pinpoint precision

[south folio]

because that allows you to throw a shard and immediately swap off to another weapon while the shards float in the air

[coarse birch]

that was its initial idea

[fleet zealot]

i would honestly be more okay if it was a buff/summon type thing

[royal vortex]

it requires different skills to use than a zealot throwing knife, which is the most common comparison

[fleet zealot]

like ohh you just spend peril to have a shard that follows your crosshair for a while

[misty raven]

Uh what? It literally takes like 3 or more aimed shards to kill a dog

[fleet zealot]

rmb

RMB assail steps on BB toes

for being a long range, delayed, targetted weapon

[misty raven]

Yea. I know. It still takes like 3 shard to kill a dog

[fleet zealot]

ALT FIRE

[south folio]

i despise RMB assail so much

[royal vortex]

if i think of a blitz that is useful for killing a sniper at 50 meters, it should be brainburst and that's it. assail shouldn't have that overlap

[polar nexus]

I wish blazing piety could set stuff on fire, like soulblaze. But it's faith blaze.

[royal vortex]

im also not killing dogs at long range, so you're using an example completely unrelated to the use case of it

[misty raven]

YES I KNOW. 3 RMB SHARDS TO KILL A DOG

[sharp zodiac]

It's false advertisement

[fleet zealot]

you dont use assail for dogs tho you use like, one shard to knock off a dog and that's it

[coarse birch]

yeah its like 1/300 times i want to shard a dog

[south folio]

i hope you see how their use cases overlap though

[sharp zodiac]

Why blazing piety if nothing is on fire

[fleet zealot]

but yes, hyperfixate on dogs

[royal vortex]

much more often it's trappers/flamers/snipers. trappers and snipers both have significantly less health than a dog

[fleet zealot]

when we are talking about BB vs assail

[polar nexus]

True

[coarse birch]

BBs one benefit is boss damage and Cara damage

but thats not enough

given all the drawbacks

[royal vortex]

the boss damage is also uh

lackluster

really

[misty raven]

I'd say that's more of a problem of BB being like dogshit without resonance or EP

[fleet zealot]

i'd love BB if WARP CHARGES DIDNT COME WITH QUICKEN

SO I COULD FUCKING COMBO

without LOSING 6 STACKS

[forest adder]

Boss damage isn't an issue if you just run Mark 4 duelist sword

[south folio]

but we're not talking about stats

[fleet zealot]

god fatshark your fucking stupid

[south folio]

we're talking about the long-distance, range-agnostic nature of assail's RMB and brainburst

[fleet zealot]

whose idea was it to put QUICKEN baseline

[coarse birch]

tbf given psykers boss damage without going out of your way otherwise its the best theyve got

[royal vortex]

i want a force halberd with that fkin gigajuiced illisi unyielding damage modifier

thats my dream

[fleet zealot]

none of psyker's keystones work for continous boss level damage

they simply dont

[south folio]

do you not see how assail's RMB was a "but what if brain burst" moment from the designers

[royal vortex]

most other keystones also don't it's not a keystone issue

it's a kit issue

[fleet zealot]

EP wants kills, warp charges want kills, destiny wants kills

[royal vortex]

u have like

guns

for boss damage

[misty raven]

RMB Assail is a weaker long range send off that will not guarantee a kill on some unit. BR is a lockon that does.

[royal vortex]

and that's it

[coarse birch]

yeah its just guns

[south folio]

do you not use the RMB and just grimace at the stupidly long chain timing it has to enter the RMB

[fleet zealot]

all of zealot's keystones work for boss killing

[coarse birch]

that you take advantage of finesse stats on

[royal vortex]

blazing piety is not a keystone u look at and go "damn i need boss damage"

neither is momentum really

[fleet zealot]

veteran can maintain marksmen and focus target

[royal vortex]

it's not an issue with keystones

psyker legit just doesnt have enough high unyielding dps weapons

[fleet zealot]

yes but you still have it

[south folio]

you are taking it too much to the extreme

[royal vortex]

psyker has always been shit outta luck for boss damage

[south folio]

first off, there are only three blitzes and somehow two of them overlap in a fairly significant manner

[fleet zealot]

psyker keystones dont matter at all when bossing

[coarse birch]

old BB with flurry wasnt awful

[south folio]

why the fuck do you keep arguing that they don't have a good amount of overlap

[polar nexus]

I don't know guys. Bb never let me down. Hidden sniper? Gone. Specialist in the background? Gone. Whereas assail is more like pissing with your dick out and hoping you won't splash yourself with a burster.

[fleet zealot]

yea but BR doesn't have left click assail

you see the issue?

[south folio]

fucking new player shitters with shit opinions

[coarse birch]

assail RMB will also generally kill what you need it to

and stagger it

[royal vortex]

arco its gonna be ok

[fleet zealot]

assail is flexible and it gets most of the BR job done outside of armor/unyielding

[coarse birch]

which is also what BB does

[royal vortex]

go watch toy story 2

[south folio]

no

i can not believe that people are even ok with assail's RMB

[fleet zealot]

it's oppurtunity/flexible cost, while both are delayed, assail rmb is fire and forget once locked on

[coarse birch]

idk why they buffed it

like it didnt make it less spammy

it just made the other part better

[royal vortex]

because what fatshark heard was

[fleet zealot]

yea like ????

[coarse birch]

and then you spam again

[royal vortex]

"bimbo assail psykers spamming shards"

and they thought

oh ok theyre using lmb too much

[light holly]

Didn't they decrease left click damage

[fleet zealot]

fatshark on that nurgle pack

[plucky sparrow]

zealot class channel
psyker discussion

[light holly]

To increase right click

[royal vortex]

(stupid take)

[south folio]

clearly the problem isn't the 10 max shards you get

[flat marsh]

Assail's RMB works, and that's roughly all I have to say about it

[misty raven]

Oh fuck dumbass, not my fault a bunch of shitters are whining about the game balance

[coarse birch]

yeah im really with arco here

[fleet zealot]

yea lmao

[light holly]

I mean left click would need to be nerfed to like

[coarse birch]

you can spam cause i have a guns worth of ammo

[light holly]

Only take on hordes

[coarse birch]

that regens

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/live-jonkler-reaction-joker-batman-arkham-man-gif-17809721599016283530

[sharp zodiac]

Usually it's this or an entire different game

[royal vortex]

assail's issue was always how many you could throw

[coarse birch]

for free

[light holly]

Force psykers to right click specials

[fleet zealot]

amount+ damage per shard

[forest adder]

Psyker buffed, Zealots most affected

[south folio]

and you keep detracting by taking our statements to the extreme

[light holly]

It ass a nerf buff but evidentally not enoug

[coarse birch]

quick swap weapon cannot be something i can use for 40 seconds

[south folio]

and you evidently don't use assail well given that you think 10 max shards is still fine

[fleet zealot]

you had the best easy horde clear in the game, and had ammo left over to clear out every shooter and non armor/ogryn elite

[misty raven]

Glad we don't have try hard shitters who would prioritize their sense of balance over fun in a videogame of all things.

[south folio]

i have no reason to treat you kindly after your repeated infringements

[fleet zealot]

i'd rather them nerf the regen by 1 more second per shard

than lower max shards

I like my flying bee swarm

[south folio]

except this piece of balance is tied to fun

[fleet zealot]

assail fun actively took away fun from other players

[south folio]

in what world is spamming an aim assist weapon with 10 max ammo fun for more than a few matches

[coarse birch]

fun is how much i need to exert myself

[fleet zealot]

are you stupid?

living under a rock?

[coarse birch]

i dont feel like im earning or doing anything with assail

i just

[royal vortex]

p13 assail was pretty on par with autopistol unwavering focus vet, especially with 15% per kill soulstealer

[coarse birch]

click and win

[fleet zealot]

assail got so much hate cause it literally stopped other players from having fun cause it overperformed so much

[coarse birch]

and other people are also annoyed by it

[fleet zealot]

all 4 toughness regen talents at the top+ toughness regen EP talent lol lmao

[coarse birch]

which is a sign of bad design

[fleet zealot]

literally unkillable+ you could also take dodge range fire state on crit

[flat marsh]

I still need smite to get reworked

[fleet zealot]

smite will never get reworked

it is the surge staff rework

[south folio]

i hope smite becomes a more close-range melee blitz of some sort

[flat marsh]

It's the same bullshit except it seems like you're still playing the game because you get the kill

[royal vortex]

i wanted smite to be a cool blitz that synergized with a melee playstyle

[south folio]

lightning punch LMB and a funner stun on the RMB

[coarse birch]

yeah smite should be the close range one

[royal vortex]

and it doesn't

[coarse birch]

we have to blitzes

for range

[royal vortex]

i want more melee psyker-leaning stuff in the psyker tree

[coarse birch]

it would be so cool with DD

[fleet zealot]

fatshark wants a support option even if i think it's shit game design that is a virus from MMOs and hero shooters and mobas

[royal vortex]

like how right side is gunker but also functions with other stuff

[south folio]

yeah, there is surely a way to diversify if there's only three blitzes

[coarse birch]

PLEASE

I PLAY PSYKER FOR MELEE

[royal vortex]

need more abilities that synergize better with melee but can be used in other contexts

[coarse birch]

give me melee stuff

[fleet zealot]

where someone can simpyl choose to be an uwu cutsie mercy healsloot main

[south folio]

2h force sword when

[plucky sparrow]

psyker gets zealot thunder hammer but they're chad enough that they can use their fist for the same amount of dmg fr fr

[fleet zealot]

and expect to be carried

[royal vortex]

i want like a halberd

or smth

[flat marsh]

Also left click on plasma needs a nerfing

[royal vortex]

i dont know how i feel about any class but zealot getting 2 handers cuz thats kinda like, the zealot thing

[coarse birch]

plasma needs like

a whole rework

[fleet zealot]

plasma got the lmao 100 cleave buff and fatshark went into hiding

[coarse birch]

honestly

[south folio]

it would be funny if a new iteration of smite like that did more damage

[fleet zealot]

went from meh to god tier instantly

[flat marsh]

Plasma is actually making me just quit games out of boredom

[south folio]

you know, a melee smite with bonus unyielding damage doesn't sound too terrible of an idea

[misty raven]

Majority of players aren't feeling this unlike the minority of a minority that you, I and most others in this server are. You're on a discord talking about how OP assail is...you're not the ones who actually matters for the majority playing in blissful ignorance

[coarse birch]

right click is useless

[fleet zealot]

fatshark just went, yea, 100x more cleave, what could go wrong

[sharp zodiac]

Forming an electric weapon

[plucky sparrow]

but it has to have a blinding arc flash because "balance"

[native cargo]

owo

[royal vortex]

plasma is poorly designed

[native cargo]

yeah fuck plasma

[fleet zealot]

you are daft asf if you think anyone here thinks assail is truly OP

[south folio]

i highly doubt that it's engaging to spam an aim assist weapon

[royal vortex]

like legitimately the mechanics underlying the weapon are just bad and they don't actually make sense

the left click has 50 cleave

charged has 100

[south folio]

i VERY strongly doubt that it's engaging

[fleet zealot]

Assail is unhealthy too strong but it isn't OP

[royal vortex]

very few situations require >50 cleave in a straight line

[misty raven]

Majority of casual players would likely disagree or even know this is a debate

[fleet zealot]

the problem is engagement

[fleet zealot]

good

[flat marsh]

Plasma just needs to move the power of left click over to the charged shot, and have left click be a decent stagger low cleave optiot

[fleet zealot]

the casual players will play the game no matter what

[forest adder]

Assail is fun if you pair it with a good melee like Dueling Sword or Knife, but its not really skillful

[royal vortex]

they need to separate the damage profiles for left click and a charged shot, make the charged shot have better unyielding/cara relatively

[royal vortex]

p much how i feel

[south folio]

probably because they're using the other blitzes

[royal vortex]

needs more reason to charge

[fleet zealot]

so we are allowed to want the game refined for the people who actually play it regularly

[south folio]

like if you want something that you can use more as a main weapon, there's brain burst

[royal vortex]

the cleave in general needs to be tuned down, i mean if the rmb just had 30 it would still be good

[south folio]

players are still going to have other blitz options if assail ever gets a max ammo nerf

[fleet zealot]

fuck the casuals, no offense, it's pretty cool to play casually and not seriously

[south folio]

and players can adapt

[misty raven]

No it's not OP dumbass, the way he's idiot talking like an authority on game balance, kinda says it's overtuned or too easy to a degree and yea I agree to an extent.

[native cargo]

can't spell assail without ASS

[fleet zealot]

but they dont give a fuck about balance

[coarse birch]

hes just stating his opinion

and defending it

[south folio]

yeah I'd say i have a good amount of authority

[flat marsh]

Ail

[fleet zealot]

god forbid a darktide channel has darktide discussion

while you shit on his discussion with dumbass points

[south folio]

because I use assail a good amount and have used it in a fairly diversified way

[light holly]

People want to play support to be fair

[fleet zealot]

Ohh and the person here who was like "psyker in zealot chat" it's cause zealot mains multiclass the most

[south folio]

and I can tell if you haven't used it in ways that I have

[native cargo]

I play casually but by casually I mean just playing at a semi-high level and listening to bob ross teach me how to paint (I use his techniques to improve my crusher gameplay)

[light holly]

But FS isn't like

do total support
It's helping not make your team invincible

[royal vortex]

support in this game can take on a lot of (more interesting) forms

[south folio]

psyker has such good quickswap properties and I want one blitz to lean into that

[light holly]

Yeah

[fleet zealot]

idk about everyone else but I play all 4 classes at auric damn level on every build

[south folio]

and assail should be the blitz that takes that role

and I really fucking want that

[fleet zealot]

I think supportish roles are fine

[coarse birch]

well assail DOES lean into it

but not well

[misty raven]

Actually probably majority of players just aren't that good and play in casual bliss even with assaul

[fleet zealot]

but I don't want a designated healer class

[fleet zealot]

that wasn't how it used to be honey boo boo

assail literally got the casuals upset

[coarse birch]

im fine with vet being the closest to healer class

[royal vortex]

ngl

[coarse birch]

with improv

[royal vortex]

public opinion matters to a certain extent and beyond that it's completely irrelevant

[fleet zealot]

because one person could clear through malice with assail and they wouldn't get any engagement through the level

[south folio]

yes, and there are two other blitzes

[royal vortex]

like i could go through a scab melee only maelstrom in 21 mins with a fire rounds ripper gunlugger on ogryn until they bugfixed it

and i could just remove all of the danger from games on that build

but u didnt really see ppl complaining how ridiculously overpowered it was

cuz they just didn't know and not enough ppl played it

[coarse birch]

people just arent aware

[fleet lark]

Hadron just shat this out and I have never played bleed before, what should I change?

[misty raven]

Alright give me the stats. Give all the forums of the majority of the playerbases? Oh you mean the majority of players who are just playing and will never engage in talk on any online discussion?

[fleet zealot]

i mean, i was but it was also funny and cool cause ogryn was in a rough spot before talent update

[royal vortex]

there's a big space for stuff to be too strong and also not too publically discussed

[flat marsh]

It was fun arguing with people saying infinite smite wasn't a bug, and removing it would make psyker useless

[fleet zealot]

give me your stats first lol, idk what you are even arguing for jfc

[south folio]

the fact that the majority of players are just playing is neither an argument against us or you

[coarse birch]

something had to be as dumb as p13 assail for actual mass complaining

[native cargo]

I support the team by making sure the hordes aren't up they booty cheeks while they fight a boss

[royal vortex]

like i feel once you get to the point where you're turning balance discussion into a popularity contest you've completely shifted the goalpost

[native cargo]

crusher vibes

[fleet zealot]

you obviously just wanna argue for the sake of arguing cuase you don't have lived experience of ya know, interacting with the community at any sane level

[south folio]

if they're just playing, then I don't see how a balance change to assail will be meaningful to them

[royal vortex]

and there's no reason continuing that line of thought cuz it doesn't go anywhere helpful on a public dicussion forum

[south folio]

and they'll just move on with their day

[royal vortex]

crusher is the best support tool

[coarse birch]

part of me discussing balance is just venting about the dumb stuff im sick of lol

[royal vortex]

i love it

[south folio]

instead of using the abstract silent majority as your argument, what arguments do you have against nerfing assail's max ammo shards

[fleet zealot]

casuals didn't care about assail when it was clearing malice blindfolded but the CASUALS will be uspet if you change it more, or something (my guess to the point this person is making)

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-slap-kat-slap-slap-cat-cate-gif-7906458944533086715

yall

[fleet zealot]

the silent majority and all that idk

[coarse birch]

actually in this case they did care im p sure

at least like reddit etc

[flat marsh]

I think assail would be better with a dynamic cooldown where you have a faster cooldown when you have more, so if you let them all out, you have like 5x the current cooldown

[native cargo]

again. Your guide made my crusher gameplay better cus I get bored in the psykanium and I forget to test stuff out. Still felt a nice bit of pride when I knew a lot of what was already said

[fleet zealot]

i was being facetious

[coarse birch]

oh my bad

im following too many things

[royal vortex]

there's like 2 bits of information in that guide that was organically found in the josho science lab and the rest was just compiling general knowledge really

but crusher is one of those weapons you can use wrong to really bad effect

so i figured it would be worthwhile

[coarse birch]

light spamming

[south folio]

that be nice but i think it would be perceived as a system that "punishes" you

[coarse birch]

🙂

[fleet zealot]

i wish RMB was replaced with a channel mode where you could regen shards quicker at the cost of peril

[cinder roost]

god damnit hadron

[south folio]

something that is perceived as a "bonus" would be better

[fleet zealot]

then nerf the normal regen rate by a second

[fleet zealot]

not the wrost

[royal vortex]

specifically

[coarse birch]

yeah i wanna work for ammo regen

[fleet zealot]

fix both perks

and it will be fine to holdover

[royal vortex]

stuff that i found that nobody else to my knowledge remarked on

[fleet zealot]

until you get an upgrade

[coarse birch]

that doesnt go off enemy density

[south folio]

lower baseline, but do X to be rewarded rather than higher baseline but do X to be punished

[cinder roost]

this was something i upgraded to replace the hold over lol

[flat marsh]

Triple the cooldown, and say each shard loaded reduces cooldown by 10% or whatever

[fleet zealot]

RIP

[south folio]

TRUE

[fleet zealot]

shards regen all at once

[light holly]

Yeah thats valid, FS was smart not to just make a healer in vermintide 2

[royal vortex]

only a Hammerblow Crusher can stagger a rager out of their combo without setup using a push attack. Trauma also requires repeated hits, which means the first time you swing you don't get any impact stacks. However, strangely enough, Trauma will actually stack to full if you push, activate Fury of the Faithful, or use an activated attack on a sufficiently dense horde.

because i had for a long time kind of thought

[light holly]

I doubt they would, because they want people to actually doooo combat

Not make someone invincible

[royal vortex]

hammerblow vs trauma doesn't seem to have a significant impact

[flat marsh]

I think it should keep the identity of mass bees every so often

[fleet zealot]

long cd? then have rmb be a fast reload at the cost of peril

[flat marsh]

It's just way too much now

[royal vortex]

but i couldn't really articulate why until i learned the eldritch lore

[fleet zealot]

but god damn

i really like the 10+ bees

it's fun to watch and I hate scab stalkers

[royal vortex]

since u start a lot of fights with a push or chastise or activated attack

[flat marsh]

Yeah 10 bees are fun, but it needs to be more rare and a more tactical decision

And not "omg enemy. Beyblade, let em rip"

[coarse birch]

trauma push is nice

im actually so not used to that much stagger than when i push somehting and it does something im like "What"

[ornate bone]

I sometimes think that uh

[south folio]

my idea was along the lines of "slower cooldown, hit weakspot with a non-assail weapon for a buff that increases shard regen by +50% for 1 second" or along those lines

[ornate bone]

Assail needs to recharge like zealot knives

Not on their own, but doing shit that fits the theme

[fleet zealot]

that's just EP assail rn

tbh

[flat marsh]

Make ogryn big grenade recharge like zealot knives pls

[ornate bone]

pp

[coarse birch]

keystones affecting how assail regens like how EP affects each blitz would be cool too

[south folio]

and we can replace Quick Shards with this or some other speedup mechanic that engages you

[coarse birch]

based off what the keystone does

[south folio]

because flat numerical buffs are just boring as fuck

[south folio]

having some differing effects would be cool depending on how complex it's going to be

[royal vortex]

i should ask crab for a deep dive on why trauma stacks on push/aoe stagger

[misty raven]

Personally I just think it's fine where it is. Way you talk about assail like it's free and does your taxes is overreacting. It gets nerfed idc personally. I think the way you amount you fluff it up sounds ridiculous and think if we're talking about BB, BB should be better. Good amount of people who start playing games like this are looking for a bit of power fantasy. Maybe that's a question of how Fatshark handles the difficulties. Be nice if you could take the stick out of your ass next time. Some discord random talking like some authority on balance

[south folio]

i'm fine with EP being the only keystone like this for now though, and they can make EP fun first

[coarse birch]

like your idea would be cool for DD

[royal vortex]

he seems like the most likely guy to know

[south folio]

but there are lower difficulties for a power fantasy

this isn't a game with a singular difficulty

[coarse birch]

people also get power fantasies differently

[misty raven]

Lower difficulties are also a snore with enemy density. Or crafting materials

[coarse birch]

i dont get it from just stomping on the map

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-people-what-you-just-said-at-no-point-were-you-even-close-gif-17826729

[south folio]

yeah and that's something that can be fixed without cascading consequences

[coarse birch]

some people might

[misty raven]

I'm sorry for your dumbass then

[native cargo]

I purposefully sometimes only light spam so I flail things around to my team's dismay. Very funni

[south folio]

i agree that lower difficulties having less spawns is boring, but that problem shouldn't lead to bad fixes to compensate

[fleet zealot]

"hey but what if your arguement was this massive overexaggeration, checkmate"

[royal vortex]

hmmmm

[south folio]

if lower difficulties have less spawns and that turns out to be boring, then we should solve the core issue of lower difficulties having less spawns

by simply raising spawns

[royal vortex]

trauma is on-repeated-hit. if you hit a guy once it actually 'chambers' that trauma stack for the next hit

seems like regardless of the time you wait between hit 1 and hit 2 (when you get the first trauma stack)

[coarse birch]

oh thats nice actually

[flat marsh]

Easiest way to fix smite and assail is to remove psyker

[fleet zealot]

i think assail only crossed that line for a single patch really, cause it was basically clearing even upto damnation up until you ran into something armored or beefy

[royal vortex]

its still strictly worse than hammerblow obvs but thats weird

[south folio]

so true

[native cargo]

take a moment to enjoy the frog band before continuing the debate

[clear knot]

return assails dmg, make it recharge longer : )

[still quartz]

Nah fuck it

[fleet zealot]

but once it started getting nerfed it has less damage slower regen speed it isn't being oppressive

[misty raven]

So what is this perfect assail count? Or dmg? Or regen? Or knee caps to its homing?

[still quartz]

Make Assail just win the game

Take you straight to the end screen

No more complaints

[south folio]

idk

[fleet zealot]

Here is a fun fact

[sharp zodiac]

TMNT

[fleet zealot]

you don't need to be a helicopter pilot

[south folio]

fatshark can figure it out but some lower value like 5 is a good start

[fleet zealot]

to point out smething is wrong with the one stuck in the tree

[native cargo]

the best band ever

[south folio]

i don't claim to know the perfect value, but I do strongly believe that it should be lowered by a significant amount

[coarse birch]

im with arco i think 5 would be fine

[still quartz]

I mean are we complaining that Assail is rightfully broken or are we complaining because it's stealing your thunder

[south folio]

some number <10 that isn't 9

[royal vortex]

@coarse birch lmfao if you stack trauma with a push you have to do 2 attacks before it starts resetting

[fleet zealot]

we don't have to be experience game dev/balance team members to say hey, this should be adjusted and played with in this direction

[royal vortex]

wtf is this

[coarse birch]

and just leave it at 5

[coarse birch]

lol

[north sedge]

8.95 got it

[fleet zealot]

hell fucking hold fatshark up to that standard first they buffed plasma cleave to 100 ffs

[south folio]

sounds sane

[south folio]

you bitch

[royal vortex]

wait also it breaks the icon

[royal vortex]

it no longer shows the line going from top to bottom to show how long the duration is

[fleet zealot]

fatshark sometimes just throws shit at the wall balance wise and we jsut have to go on

[coarse birch]

let me shatter assail shards for a shotgun effect that couts at that.5

[misty raven]

You don't. You're also some of the worst of the population to ever ask for these kinds of balancing when you play nothing but auric damns

[fiery ingot]

how tf a psyker outcrits a dclaw piety

[royal vortex]

nbm ok i see whats going on

[fleet zealot]

stealing this

[royal vortex]

u dont have to attack twice

the icon just has a stroke

[still quartz]

@misty raven Also just something you should know, debates in this channel is a double-edged sword because boy will they fuckin make sure you eat your damn words and leave feeling like a sack of shit

[fiery ingot]

mf did 1k more crit than me how

[royal vortex]

thank u fatshark

[south folio]

purgatus?

[still quartz]

Just don't

[fiery ingot]

whats that?

[still quartz]

More peace of mind

[fleet zealot]

really we aren't, this was already solved by league of legends but riot is a shitty dev team for a shitty gmae

[coarse birch]

purg would do it

[south folio]

the blue fire staff

[fleet zealot]

casuals do not give a fuck besides extreme outliers

[south folio]

it has infinite cleave so it'll hit a lot of enemies, and people tend to run warp nexus with it so it'll crit a bunch, and it has a fast fire rate

[coarse birch]

assail also crits a lot but not quite that much

[fleet zealot]

if you want to keep a core playerbase that advertises your game for free, you adjust your game around the top level

[fiery ingot]

this is what they were running

[south folio]

well, i'm specifically balancing with respect to the higher difficulties, and there's always the lower difficulties

[misty raven]

Considering what I've seen with this and tonight I agree. It's just funny seeing the minority of a minority of a minority talk like some authority on game balance

[south folio]

like, this game has multiple difficulties and that makes balance discussions a lot easier

[still quartz]

Welcome to Zealot Chat, we're the most uncivilized civilized people

[royal vortex]

i mean generally on lower difficulties weapon balance doesn't matter nearly as much outside of stuff like p13 assail because every psyker got it for free

[fleet zealot]

and you have some counter authority?

[coarse birch]

yeah like

malice wont be all that affected

[fleet zealot]

you are literally calling ego when you are the one with the most here

[south folio]

and people at the extremes are going to be more affected by the balance

[still quartz]

We make fun of everyone

[royal vortex]

and having to caveat everything with "in my experience, in my opinion" etc just sounds fkin nauseating

[still quartz]

Including me

[royal vortex]

ppl have opinions

[coarse birch]

like weapons arent struggling in malice

[royal vortex]

ur gonna have to live with it

[lean lark]

just how the new revolver is actually good

[fleet zealot]

having to caveat every suggestion to a build/weapon i make lest I get called a toxic tryhard who wants to troll honest casuals

[lean lark]

You gotta live with the facts

[still quartz]

I stopped debating gear balance unless something is clearly weak, I just wanna play my game and have fun

It's like Warframe

[flat marsh]

Well, who should balance the game then or even discuss balance?

[still quartz]

If it works, it works

[lean lark]

debating is half the fun

[fleet zealot]

no one ever obv /j

[misty raven]

I just said I thought it was fine atm and not broken like it was when it launched dumbass. I never claimed to change anything

[still quartz]

Not when part of it is used as ammo to fuckin attack your character like it's personal LOL

[fleet zealot]

you have the authority to shut down conversation? to tell people they shouldn't talk about their thoughts on balance?

[flat marsh]

Based on the way you argue, I conclude that you're smelly

[still quartz]

On god I know if Legate says one wrong thing here, boom it's turned into a copypasta and everyone spams the cry laughing emoji

[misty raven]

Oh I'm not opposed to talking balance. I welcome it. Tweedle dee and tweedle dum getting a stick up their asses tho

[still quartz]

We're a hive mind

[royal vortex]

the copypasta shit is mostly reserved for ppl who have the goddamn meltdowns

[fleet zealot]

finger on the trigger gun to my head I'm ready for it

[south folio]

i dislike you on the basis that you think a spammable aim assist weapon is fun

[still quartz]

Magbe we're Nurgle cultists

[lean lark]

this place is basically an echo chamber at the end of the day

[royal vortex]

All I did was post my fucking build and y’all went for my throat talking down on it like a bunch of toxic trolls you didn’t have to say anything if u don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything but naw y’all wanna be animals like every other troll and thru the safety of the internet you run your mouth and then talk smack about me it’s ridiculous and not fair of anyone to treat some one like that and u have the audacity to say I’m going thru somthing nah you and all the other trolls like you need to get over what your going thru and act right

[still quartz]

[fleet zealot]

yea tbh legate isn't a mental breakdown writer, more like an egoist

[still quartz]

This xd

[still quartz]

I'm one hell of an egoist

[coarse birch]

that is worthy of a copypasta tbf

[still quartz]

I just gaslight people into thinking I'm not

[fleet zealot]

I’m gonna be honest I’m sure I’m not the only one the worst part I see with the problems this game has comes down to two things
-Talented Developers who care
-Management who clearly rushes shit
Fatshark made one of the top 40K games of all time they made a beautiful grim dark nightmare of a city and filled with chaos and corruption it’s magnificent but time and time again they mess up on the gameplay which was and still is really solid unfortunately the details like the still shitty resources and crafting bs the lack of a proper story and the horrid performance issues after every update
But most of all I hate the fact that when people complain about the game and talk shit about it, a game I really enjoy, I can’t really say anything it’s depressing cause I love this game so much IT GETS 40K PERFECTLY but it just keeps failing to meet basic expectations I’m going to keep playin but I don’t know long that gonna last they did everything right setting up this update but it should’ve just come out when part 2 was done I’ll wait til January I’ll wait til February I just wanna play a game that feels complete

[royal vortex]

he also said ppl in zealot chat should die

so like

[misty raven]

You can stop projecting

[fleet zealot]

i've suffered permanent ego death from quitting league of legends

and playing games such as holocure and bloons tower defense

[still quartz]

I hate when people talk shit about the game I love too cause I love Darktide with a passion

VT2 as well

You cannot ever convince haters to play

[coarse birch]

i love DT i just know its not perfect

hell its still hard for me to reccomend it because of crafting

[fleet zealot]

“Whiney”

Mf you guys are the ones crying about how much certain guns suck according to the excel sheet page 43 paragraph 2 like what, play the fucking game

[flat marsh]

I only play games that I hate which is why I have like 600 hours

[still quartz]

Like the foundation is all there and it's great enough to play

[lean lark]

I hate darktide but it's fun to play with friends

[still quartz]

But you try getting them to go even slightly beneath surface level and they leave forever with 10 hours game time

[flat marsh]

PTSD to steam awards

[fleet zealot]

yea I mostly just been palying withf riends+ getting hard mode cleared

[fleet zealot]

playing malice with friends is a nice change of pace

[lean lark]

I'm glad darktide lost the steam awards

[royal vortex]

i like carryin ppl through hard mode

[coarse birch]

damn you saying you carried me josho

[still quartz]

I just like mashing through entire hordes

[coarse birch]

i see how it is

[lean lark]

there's people still doing twins?

[flat marsh]

Yes

[still quartz]

The adrenaline from being knee deep in blood like I'm DOOM guy despite knowing one wrong move can merc me is what makes it so fun

[fleet zealot]

They very personally FUCK me.
-I always wanted Loadouts in Vermintide 2 and they NEVER implemented it.
-When they ported the most popular mods for Vermintide 2, they blatantly ignored the Loadouts mod which is easily top 5 most popular mod at the time.
-They messed with the game files organization with every patch until the modder refused to update it anymore out of frustration, killing modded loadouts for Vermintide 2.
-They released Darktide without loadouts.
-They finally implemented loadouts but limit you to only 5 per character for no other reason than "we made the HUD complicated for it and there's no more HUD space lol"
-They don't even let me have my 5 fucking loadouts because every 2-3 months they "ACCIDENTALLY" delete them.

SO YES I TAKE THIS VERY FUCKING PERSONALLY I WANT MY FUCKING LOADOUTS FOR FUCK'S SAKE OR GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

And YES this is the place to say this as at least 1 Darktide employee lurks here.

[fleet zealot]

yes

some dont even have bells unlocked yet...

[lean lark]

loool

[still quartz]

Oh god not this one LOL

[lean lark]

epic fail

[fleet zealot]

took him 6 hours to make 5 builds

[misty raven]

This game really is awesome, I really do hate it comes with a lot of "buts". Taking all my time away from other games atm

[fleet zealot]

fatshark have mercy

[fiery ingot]

i cant tell what is a copypasta here and what is legit

[vale carbon]

when would one use the light attacks on the ironhelm? i played a run with it and it was pretty good, but i pretty much just heavy spammed
i guess one could cancel out of that overhead heavy but idgaf
i just charge it least

[flat marsh]

Every message in this discord is a copypasta

[royal vortex]

its part of the payment plan

[fiery ingot]

thought as much

[fleet zealot]

cancel that, not make

"REMAKE" 5 builds in 6 hours

they very personally fucked him

[misty raven]

Don't they count as monstrosities? So wouldn't running them get your contracts done quickly?

[royal vortex]

most of the fight is won so long as u know what to do

[coarse birch]

i had already done it a million times with randos

[lean lark]

if you want monstrosity contract you just do monstrous maelstorm

[royal vortex]

although doin it with 1 guy who was eu on na servers and not particularly great at the game

made it a lil harder

[flat marsh]

I want to be personally fucked OwO

[royal vortex]

took 3 tries that time

[misty raven]

Yea but...that sometimes isn't available

[still quartz]

Do you really thi

Like REALLY

[royal vortex]

ive done it in 1 try twice with 3 other ppl who hadnt cleared hard mode which felt good

[still quartz]

Like absolutely sure

[lean lark]

consignment yard is available

[still quartz]

Like on god, swear on your mom, sure about that

[coarse birch]

HISTG always gives me at least one boss

[flat marsh]

yes

[coarse birch]

like 9/10 times

[fiery ingot]

yea choose your next words carefullyu

youre in a gaming discord

[still quartz]

Welpc

[frozen glen]

secks

[lean lark]

I get 2 bosses minimum

[fiery ingot]

gtfo here you non degenerate

[still quartz]

Mr Electric, send em to the principal's office and have em expelled

[flat marsh]

OwO?

[lean lark]

I remember when I was personally cursed by Fatshark for a month when monstrous maelstorm was out

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[lean lark]

I had like nonstop maxhp boss spawns

good times

[still quartz]

painge

[coarse birch]

i remember those days

[lean lark]

I'd walk to the next area and in the following 5 minutes have killed 3 plogryns and two chaos spawns at maxhp

[still quartz]

me: "yeah I have a big, fragile ego, how'd you know"

also me spamming this screenshot:

[obtuse solstice]

salvageable?

[still quartz]

I wear the Menace badge proudly

[spare dome]

i do kinda hate the variance in monstros

[coarse birch]

depends

do you want perfect

or good

[still quartz]

Fish fear me

[obtuse solstice]

I'll take good

[still quartz]

Hmm... yeah, Bloodletter to Rampage and Block Eff to Flak

[lean lark]

Kal you play like a dog with no hands

[still quartz]

[spare dome]

dogs dont have hands

[coarse birch]

then id swap both blessings to rampage/Savage sweep

[flat marsh]

I'd just swap the blessings tbh

[lean lark]

that's the point

[vale carbon]

finally got resources to fully upgrade this and rip thrust 4. i can't even get a rank 2 on hammers and here's one for a weapon that doesn't use it lol.
but that said, thrust to bromentum, weak spot to flak?

[flat marsh]

Block cost reduction is a lot more useful than you think

[still quartz]

Wrath can still work tbh, it's the non-simple Evisc

[coarse birch]

yes

[vale carbon]

too bad i only have bromentum 3

[frozen glen]

doesnt matter

ur missing a whole ass whopping 2.5% weakspot dmg

[still quartz]

Wooo

[coarse birch]

you could run bromentum 1

[still quartz]

That'll hit a breakpoint