Savage Sweep isn't the best but I'd probs just swap +Spec to +Flak there
#zealot-class
ripe quest
tired idol
gotta say
stunning 1500 enemies with stun grenades isn't as fun as you might think
I just end up spamming them at the biggest crowds I can find
of course, usually when I see a crowd, my entire team does as well
and by the time my guy finishes carefully pulling out a grenade, pulling the pin, aiming, and finally throwing
most of the crowd has been reduced to hamburger
I think 1,000 enemies would be plenty difficult
even 500
digital yacht
just do auric and throw bunch of grenades
rotund locust
Thank you! Ugh - I thought my mouse was breaking and there was an issue with my sentivity buttons or something
tired idol
incidentally, fuck whoever thought Hi Intensity was a good mission modifier
ripe quest
You kinda just get that one naturally if you use the stuns aggressively on patrols
tired idol
incidentally, fuck whoever thought Hi Intensity was a good mission modifier
"one out of every 10 missions you do in quick-play, we're going to double the difficulty!"
digital yacht
incidentally, fuck whoever thought Hi Intensity was a good mission modifier
sounds like a skill issue
tired idol
yeah you're right I should give up
no the problem I have with it is consistency
if they give you the option to select the difficulty in Quick Play, it would be nice if there wasn't a chance to randomly join a mission that's way harder than you expected
drifting wolf
savage sweep isn't a DPS boost, it increases cleave, so it just hits more things
oh wrong thing to talk about lol
ripe quest
On the Mk XV your crowd combo is target capped to 4. It's only for CC, the H1 on the Mk II isn't target capped and the cleave is a bit lower so SS is nice.
I wouldn't say it's the worst blessing available, having like 33 cleave on lights can be fun
frozen glen
but the 4 target cap
drifting wolf
it damages 4 enemies and everything else it hits is just staggered
odd fjord
Wrath to Deathblow 4? then unyielding to maniac?
royal vortex
yup
odd fjord
word. thanks.
frozen glen
josho why is ur pfp the princess
ripe quest
Josho is feeling a little quirky
royal vortex
why do u need to know
surreal marlin
scuffed?
fiery locust
scuffed?
idk if it hits infested breakpoint, but it seems decent all around
43 mobil means one less dodge
343 rating means possible bad blessing roll
native cargo
finally got a measly 300k kills.
ripe quest
scuffed?
Depends on the 2nd blessing, you'd want to swap SS and +Infested
Swap SS after you upgrade it though
digital yacht
finally got a measly 300k kills.
better than me
native cargo
Gyatt damn
stray summit
Whats the difference between the 2 thunderhammers?
ivory marlin
Tf does that mean
vivid hawk
Perfection?
ivory marlin
No hey
ivory marlin
Well aren't you a late one
I was busy hanging out with the pretty lady
royal vortex
Perfection?
perfection
digital yacht
Perfection?
would be on the old mart
vivid hawk
would be on the old mart
what do ya mean?
digital yacht
what do ya mean?
The old mart was based on health, now its based on wounds and health crucios are obsolete
desert vessel
What do I do with this?
digital yacht
so that works for me
There's no point in health crucios, but good luck!
vivid hawk
There's no point in health crucios, but good luck!
I like 1 hp and 2 toughness
1 hp offers a lot of value
digital yacht
I like 1 hp and 2 toughness
I run three stamina!
vivid hawk
I run three stamina!
gotta go fast!
vapid olive
obtuse solstice
north sedge
Precog
gray ice
I was busy hanging out with the pretty lady
How's that goin buddy
gray ice
What a time
frozen glen
what happened to the cashier person
vague depot
just found this on the floor is it any good
sterile schooner
Perks already ok tbh. I guess just upgrade one to 25 whichever you prefer.
ripe quest
That's pretty much set as is.
I'd keep the upgrade slot for future proofing
The difference between 20% and 25% is often never apparent
jaunty lava
You can vote people out??? Since when?
wraith helm
You can vote people out??? Since when?
Since always 
ripe quest
Since launch
wraith helm
Gotta have something for the missing report function
ripe quest
It's a pretty valuable coop tool, despite it being abuseable.
jaunty lava
Oh yeah kicking randos from your mission because you're pissed you died?
wraith helm
Pretty much L4D2 all over again
jaunty lava
I just wasted 30 minutes in maelstrom just to be kicked because the guy died to a burster i couldn,t even push for him.
south folio
it's a simple tool that assumes that # of good people > # of bad people
which is generally true barring stuff like premadees
sterile schooner
just found this on the floor is it any good
First target kinda low, elites perk is ok I guess. Thunder strike and groaners you wanna replace with thrust and unyielding, or maybe carapace if you want
Usable but you'll want to upgrade later on for a better hammer
wraith helm
I just wasted 30 minutes in maelstrom just to be kicked because the guy died to ...
If he got mad over inevitable stuff, i would have just continued to roast them. Shit happens, getting butt hurt over a stupid auric match is low-skill issues
jaunty lava
I didn,t say anything, he just went like "random guy, i fking hate you" Next thing i know i'm out of the game because he's with 2 friends.
And i can't even report him 
vague depot
First target kinda low, elites perk is ok I guess. Thunder strike and groaners y...
ill just sacrifice the weapon and take slaughterer then
wraith helm
if it leaves that much of a sour taste in your mouth, you can report them in one of the channels here. Its not a better solution but itsa there
native cargo
A level 26 psyker was pestering me about sticking with the group. Man I'm a zealot, I will be ahead of you or behind you nearly the entire time stop going down because you're constantly typing at me to either hurry up or pull back lmao
jaunty lava
Alright, thanks anyways for the info, i guess just start another one to get my plasteel
vague depot
they both suck what do i take
ripe quest
A new one
indigo quartz
neither, they're sub 350
vague depot
you right
ripe quest
Not that, just really bad dumps
native cargo
Legit died first and was like "take it slow and careful" hell no I am W keying to rez your ass
ripe quest
They could have a 0 in mobility and they'd be fine
wraith helm
Legit died first and was like "take it slow and careful" hell no I am W keying t...
were they using a flame staff
ripe quest
A damage dump isn't the end of the world though last I checked
So out of the two probs the right one
But I recommend a new one
native cargo
I get people wanting to play like a team but some people take it a bit far with how commanding they can be
native cargo
were they using a flame staff
Yes.
wraith helm
sterile schooner
Not horrible but probably save your plasteel for a better one, dockets is easy vs plasteel
native cargo
Granted the next match i had a psyker with a flame staff just...min maxing their damage and peril? Idk what they were doing other than: charge up a short, short burst of flame. Rinse and repeat over and over really fast
wraith helm
The games change but the people sure dont. Payday 2, i met the same types except they expected to be carried. L4D2 (except you get cursed in russian edition)
native cargo
So all match I was hearing the start of the purg staff just flooshing
At a semi fast rate
vague depot
The games change but the people sure dont. Payday 2, i met the same types excep...
i rather take people who expect to be carried than people who want to carry and expect to be pocketed
ripe quest
ok i have no more money this is the last one i got
That's fine
native cargo
They did well (as in not dying). I honestly do think they were damage maxing while trying to minimize peril lmao
They didn't blow up so
vague depot
just because you stole some build from a youtube video with the words "op unkillable build" doesnt mean im gonna give you a doctor bag because you decided to french kiss a bulldozers shotgun barrel
native cargo
i rather take people who expect to be carried than people who want to carry and ...
I am a rat meant to be pocketed. Dw I'll tank the trapper net doe
ripe quest
I'm a fan of the top Zealot build on gameslantern being a knife build, has lead to some very interesting people.
heavy zealot
Zealot has a weird learning curve
vague depot
the evis and thunder hammer feel so visceral to swing I love them
stray summit
the evis and thunder hammer feel so visceral to swing I love them
Tigrus Mk2 Heavy Eviscerator my Beloved
strange kestrel
True
misty raven
Fuck it we ball with martydom XV Evis with shred. Pure ignorant lmb bliss
strange kestrel
I run marty on 70% of my zealot builds
patent zinc
Showed up on melk, worth it or not?
dense field
yes
patent zinc
I thought about picking it up just for thrust 4 alone since i don't have it.
dense field
for thrust
sterile schooner
Thrust 4
dense field
It's actualy a decent hammer
stray summit
You can thrust that thing
strange kestrel
Crowd control dumpstat is gonna hurt but its not what youll be using the hammer for so
patent zinc
Crowd control isn't that important and carapace + unyielding fits perfectly with what im going.
vague depot
So from what I’m getting I’ll only die if I go down when I have a single wound left that isn’t purple right
dense field
yes
strange kestrel
You can thrust that thing
I keep thinking your pfp is giant dad
sterile schooner
So from what I’m getting I’ll only die if I go down when I have a single wound l...
When your last wound has purple in it, you die the next time you go down
vague depot
Ok
vague depot
So if a dog mollywhoops me till my entire health bar is purple then I’m dead on the next tap
sterile schooner
Yeap basically
strange kestrel
Yes
dense field
Basically
vague depot
Wallahi
strange kestrel
💯
dense field
Don't get dogged
vague depot
I find it considerably more easy to dodge and push dogs than assassin rats
stray summit
https://tenor.com/view/gitgud-thepruld-git-gud-dark-gif-8126281
Very different kind of git gud
strange kestrel
I havent played since 2019 tho
dense field
until fs breaks something again
stray summit
I find it considerably more easy to dodge and push dogs than assassin rats
Dogs are always snarling and slobbering
Meanwhile sneak rats dont make a fuckin sound while pounce prep
stray summit
I havent played since 2019 tho
Game is practically a thousand times more balanced since then
Damn near unrecognizable
ripe quest
Showed up on melk, worth it or not?
Whoa absolutely
strange kestrel
Release centurion was disgusting LOL
ripe quest
CC dump is odd but that's very good
strange kestrel
Im not planning on redownloading tho, im currently binge playing DRG and this roguelike called syntetik 2
median zenith
sterile schooner
marsh sluice
unfort
strange kestrel
One time i got an 80 everything evis that had 6% penetration
strange kestrel
Its good on sedition 💯
olive raven
<:CryBjorn:631887977039134761>
eh still usable
the zarona really just need 2 blessings
if you want to waste the plasteel go for it
median zenith
yea, id actually consider it if I didnt already have a decent one
olive raven
fair
turbid vessel
Can one of you please help me earn just a flesh wound achievement? I want the stylish red outfit lol.
naive star
Too bad its not on Voidstrike 🤷♂️
gray ice
Can one of you please help me earn just a flesh wound achievement? I want the st...
Can try lfg channels for it
desert vessel
is using flamer the best way to get shocking stuff done
gray ice
Is that the kill stunned enemies?
desert vessel
ye
gray ice
If so it's good for that yes
sage river
is using flamer the best way to get shocking stuff done
I think that's how I got it, you could also take a knife or the mk9 heavy blade
desert vessel
time to level up a perfect flamer for onetime use 
gray ice
Ay you'll probably like it for other use
sage river
Chances are you'll find out that the flamer is goated
sterile schooner
Bolter decent at it too I hear, though personally also used the flamer
rigid trellis
did it with the mk2 evis
bright zephyr
Does this achievement require the stun grenade, or does the zealot have anything else that counts as stun?
still need this so guess doesnt matter:
Also... any hints on how to do this faster, besides wasting my grenades on crowds? x)
sterile schooner
waste your grenades on crowds, use chastise for the autocrit
fiery ingot
does skullcrusher works on enemies that received the stagger condition from any source or only from your weapons?
hearty lily
Is Hammer of Faith even worth the skill point if I'm using the crusher weapon?
hearty lily
that's what I figured. I already have an impact blessing on it plus everything gets CC'd in one or two hits, anyway
hearty lily
exactly. cool, thx
fiery ingot
does skullcrusher works on enemies that received the stagger condition from any ...
say someone shoot a kantrael shotty slug, or even me. if i hit the target from that slug right after it gets shot, will it get the skullcrusher debuff right away?
hearty lily
i'd imagine so
olive raven
how long it take ya
olive raven
that's what I figured. I already have an impact blessing on it plus everything g...
yea crusher is very forgiving
i recommend stunstorm or knives for it tbh
north sedge
Prefer immo
patent zinc
big damage
heavy arch
wraith helm
how long it take ya
A while. But today, i just jumped into a pug for an auric mael and had to clutch a game
visual stream
Woe, sudden double-stacked burster upon ye
wraith helm
poxburster jumpscare
fading vale
say someone shoot a kantrael shotty slug, or even me. if i hit the target from t...
no
skullcrusher is a stacking debuff applied to the enemy by someone with skullcrusher
and then the damage is active when that enemy is in an active stagger state
unlike no respite which is just based on the current stagger count of the enemy
green path
WTH is up with devestating strike? Really pissed about these bless rolls. I want to throw myself off a bridge. Seems so pointless compared to the other cleave blessings. I've been farming plasteel for ages trying to get a decent roll on a XIIIg, and this is what I get.
I already have a one with shred, so this is stupidly redundant.
frank night
it's one of the last really stupid things left from them rushing the game out in '22
green path
thats salvagable
What do you suggest? I have two main builds, one Blazing Piety and one Brutal Momentum. I'm using the XIIIg I have with Shread IV already with my Piety build.
olive raven
What do you suggest? I have two main builds, one Blazing Piety and one Brutal M...
crit build is the only thing you can really get from it
green path
Yeah, sad thing is this is what I already have:
olive raven
devastating to rampage, weak spot to flak damage
green path
I think it's already better.
green path
devastating to rampage, weak spot to flak damage
I will look at this, thanks.
How do you think it compares to what I already have?
olive raven
not too familiar with chainswords but itll be better tbh
you'll crit every hit honestly
exaggeration but yea
50% crit chance at least
green path
Yeah I'm just sad it's already so close to what I'm carrying 😢
A million credits and who knows how much plasteel, for that.
olive raven
yea, dakrtide crafting is ass
green path
I think I might just hang on to it for the inevitable day they buff devstrike.
It's bound to happen. So obviously useless.
ember yew
It's bound to happen. So obviously useless.
its just too low
not only it requires crit
but its also garbage power, equal to two Wrath stacks
absolutely facepalming
wraith helm
yea, dakrtide crafting is ass
green path
Fingers crossed that's what happens.
ember yew
theres a lot of blessing that need another look at them in order for them to be viable
i love how there's so many viable weapons
sadly, that can't be said for blessings and perks
perks 90% of the time is flak and maniac, not because they are good, but just because others are just shet or too niche
it would be more fun if they add more utility perks
like Parry from vermintide
when if you time block, you wont lose stamina
against the strongest attacks too
so you could parry overheads
oak ermine
I think that if FS has learned anything from VT2, it would be that Parry was not a good blesssing, but a good mechanic
green path
If y'all can heart this post here, I would appreciate it.
oak ermine
Hence Catachan swords have it
ember yew
I think that if FS has learned anything from VT2, it would be that Parry was not...
at least it was a fun one
next crow
the problem is that basically every meta perk/blessing lets you kill faster
something like parry would just be diluting the crafting pool even more
even tho it'd be a cool thing to have on a weapon, losing something like 25% damage is rough
ember yew
well, i hope they at least look at the most useless/weak blessings after they come back from vacation
south folio
they could go down the powderburn route and add some damage to an otherwise purely utility thing
spiral anvil
Yea just give a 10% damage boost for 5 seconds after a parry or smth
next crow
yeah there's already stuff like precog (damage after successful dodge) or slaughterer (damage after kill), so to be competitive it kinda needs damage
every blessing should have damage + something else on it lol
spiral anvil
Precog doesn't buff your dodge though
next crow
maybe it should!
ember yew
something like 10% dodge distance bonus
next crow
or immunity to next instance of damage within 1s... if you dodge well enough you could stand in fire
naive star
II tier Skullcrusher worth buying to sacrifice and use in better rolled Crusher? Seems IV goes up to 4 stacks so thats double the dmg
ripe quest
Skullcrusher has 8 stacks total
oak ermine
It costs Ordo dockets, so it's not like the investment cost is very high.
ripe quest
Each tier just applies more per hit
and certain actions can apply SC in fast ways, like pushes
activations also apply 2x the stacks 1 hit would
ripe quest
perks 90% of the time is flak and maniac, not because they are good, but just be...
This has stopped being entirely true, it's shifted around a good bit. Flak/Maniac is now just considered the safe bet, it covers a lot of enemy types that matter.
ripe quest
II tier Skullcrusher worth buying to sacrifice and use in better rolled Crusher?...
If you have the credits sure
olive raven
II tier Skullcrusher worth buying to sacrifice and use in better rolled Crusher?...
tbh id just roll for a better skullcrusher'
abstract venture
Always could get lucky from melky also
And who knows maybe when you roll that better crusher you'll get skullcrusher along with it
naive star
Yeah guess ill grab it so ill have atleast some sort of Skullcrusher rather than none, since im looking to join into Crusher gang once i get lucky
Gotta say i like the amount of variety Zealot has for melee
olive raven
melee do be our thing
naive star
Was good to start with zealot, now i feel very comfortable playing Psyker afterwards when things go south and i have to start going melee to survive and clear space or clutch
Even the weapon RNG system, despite its flaws, does a lot for me to keep incentive to grind more materials and hope for good shop drops. Vermintide 2 you kinda were done once you got your red weapon and most classes had pretty clear best choices
Gotta suck for people with perfection OCD though 😅
faint marsh
Gotta suck for people with perfection OCD though 😅
🤕
abstract venture
Gotta suck for people with perfection OCD though 😅
If it's not 370 I'm not looking at the rolls 🥲
naive star
Well, i get it if you been around for long enough to set those standards, im still fresh so babby's first weapon can be still suboptimal to see if like it enough to bother even for those godrolls
ember yew
Even the weapon RNG system, despite its flaws, does a lot for me to keep incenti...
The reason we got bad crafting system is for fatshark to create something, that can keep us in the game for longer. The problem is that the game wont respect your time. For example, the amount of resources i wasted so far on MK 15 Evis failures are equal to 50 hours of playtime (not counting loadscreens and idle in hub). And i failed even at subpar 2+2 one.
That's worse than some garbage gachas out there and that is a fact
naive star
Yeah i get it, should have more means to lessen RNG effect
ember yew
There's basically no safety net
naive star
Like grey Brunts have higher minimum beginning point, and maybe some way to use 3rd roll for perk (but maybe then just get 3rd level perk) with Diamantine
ember yew
So you are constantly gamba a casino, there's a lot of people that don't like it. I'm fine with my losses as i mostly got what i wanted to anyway, but for new players its probably create some rage.
naive star
As new player im not expecting to get godroll weapons right in beginning, i have still lucked out pretty good stuff
But some weapons ive gotten nothing worth keeping yet
ember yew
Also there's another problem
some weapon got like 4 blessings
so it's piss easy to get the best ones
and some got like frikkin 12
naive star
So ive swinged Crusher 0 times for example yet been interested in it since the beginning
ember yew
so you are playing the worst casino possible
naive star
Yeah or getting that very rare IV Surge on Equinox Trauma Staff, but its useless in it and cant rebless it on Equinox Voidstrike Staff
Makes no sense to me
Even though they got same name and look identical those two staffs
3rd reroll with big amount of Adamantine and can only then get lvl 3 perks and blessings?
Or something like that, perfectionists would still have reason to look for better
Or use Diamantine to change Melk's offerings couple times a day
ember yew
they could use something like maybe
presenting us an item that allows to create a perfect (2+2 blessing wise, not stats) item
like once a week
so you just wont be done with your stuff in a day
as an additional weekly quest option
considering amount of weapons and classes
this wont break anything
at worse, once a month
but this also looks like a bandaid to the bad RNG in crafting system
naive star
Bet it would be then random item, and youd get couple tactical axes in row and then recon lasgun
median steeple
Oops all knives!
ember yew
the sudden rise of flesh tearer lacerate zealots
junior marlin
Anyone have a link to a martyrdom build with curios? wondering what people stack on after +wound
vale carbon
for zealot the common procedure is just +health +toughness on all 3
toughness regen doesn't contribute as much for them, and ability cooldown is too small for the 3 we have
gunner/sniper resist, revive speed, and whichever else you prefer at that point
oak ermine
I'm kind of mad the other blessing isn't Headtaker, because I wanted to have a HT + BM combo on one HH9
But at least I have this
junior marlin
for zealot the common procedure is just +health +toughness on all 3
Is Holy Revenant used on martyrdom or not bothered with?
oak ermine
Holy Revenant is a failsafe for Martyrdom. It would be odd not to have it IMO
ripe quest
Anyone have a link to a martyrdom build with curios? wondering what people stack...
For Martyr people run 3x Wound curios or a mix of Toughness and Wound curios if running the TDR tank build.
Usually Toughness, Gunner Res, and random filler
junior marlin
For Martyr people run 3x Wound curios or a mix of Toughness and Wound curios if ...
If you go TDR are there any other DR nodes that are used?
Oh... does TWBS still proc on ranged hits?
I haven't looked at any of this since patch 13... i assumed that would get fixed eventually
olive raven
Oh... does TWBS still proc on ranged hits?
yes
coarse birch
yeah its a fatshark tooltip moment
junior marlin
yeah its a fatshark tooltip moment
That's... more than a year old now 😮
coarse birch
yeah ig they just mean to have it like that or havent gotten around to fixing it
its kinda nice i wont lie although it usually takes me a second to remember im not running it when i play other classes
junior marlin
its kinda nice i wont lie although it usually takes me a second to remember im n...
I haven't used it probably for 6 months. Only zealot build I was playing was HS or DC crit builds, didn't bother with it. Martyrdorm I can see it being nice to have...
coarse birch
its mostly just QOL for me
and not getting staggered by dumb interactions like dog pounces or general ranged stuff
reaper pushback
junior marlin
Yeah im still surprised it procs on ranged, that was always so strong.
olive raven
its good with every build tbh
junior marlin
its good with every build tbh
Yeah, I just don't use it on crit builds. Don't miss it, but maybe it'll be a nice change to turn it back on again.
It was pretty wild when vet had it for awhile, it does make melee pretty luxurious.
fiery ingot
7
hollow mantle
7
Its probably as close to perfect as I will get. I have a few with perfect blessings and perks but the first target and damage is too low for a breakpoint I like having
And this one just slaps. Going to be satisfied there
olive raven
thats yea, pre much best you can get
you lose only a bit of power and the 5% isnt gonna be noticable on flak
hollow mantle
I could dump another 10k plasteel for no noticable change in anything at all. Would just be chasing the prestige of a pretty number
I have already chased that dragon a lot lol
tidal berry
thats pretty good
I got a similar roll but got stuck with BM tier II or something instead of IV
hollow mantle
its a pretty small difference in damage. both headtaker and deathblow have really small changes between the tiers
tropic nova
hey so do i change handcannon to a 4 or change my range damage specialist perk?
ornate bone
How does that one Penance work where you have to kill a mutant with a melee while chastising the wicked.
tropic nova
charge a attack up and hit it while charging at it
hollow mantle
Or release a swing and kill it while charging towards something else you locked onto
I think that's how I got mine
ornate bone
I've landed two kills with melee charges on mutants and it hasn't counted. It was the default skill too.
hollow mantle
Yeah I think you have to still be mid dash when you get the kill
ornate bone
Lame
frosty herald
Use thammer and get it instantly
burnt granite
I've landed two kills with melee charges on mutants and it hasn't counted. It wa...
its a bit easier if its charging one of your mates and you can clap it from the side
oak cipher
How does that one Penance work where you have to kill a mutant with a melee whil...
Easiest way is to let it hit a wall and then backstab it with a knife. Though if you play long enough, it just comes naturally
lyric rain
Alright so I've read "The Kantrael fire shotty special ammo will 2-shot Crushers and Bulwarks" all over this discord and the subreddit and I am just not finding that to be the case, what am I missing
lavish flame
Alright so I've read "The Kantrael fire shotty special ammo will 2-shot Crushers...
It 3 shots bulwarks
Deffo not crushers
Ur prolly thinking ragers
lyric rain
Alright
Good to know
We got dummied by a Crusher pack and I put at least 4-5 fire rounds into them
non-auric Damnation
I wonder if Crit is teh way to go with the 2x fire damage crit blessing
oak cipher
Fire does no damage to carapace oO just as lasguns do
Also, kantrael shotgun is low rpm, why would anyone want to try to shoot them at crushers anyway?
lost bear
best secondary/ranged weapon for zealot?
paring it with ironhelm
Currently using kantreal mk IX shotty
cursive viper
The Mk X Heavy Laspistol has been working pretty well for me
ember yew
Alright so I've read "The Kantrael fire shotty special ammo will 2-shot Crushers...
maybe that was discussion with Chastise active
cursive viper
Depending on the mission and your build, flamer has also been serving me well whenever I just needed something to kill and stagger everything in front of me
ember yew
with Chastise maybe it can 2shot-headshot crusher, but i dont use the gun
cursive viper
Haven't tried the Columbus on the zealot yet, but I assume it would do very well
lost bear
Flamer never did enough for me.
lavish flame
We got dummied by a Crusher pack and I put at least 4-5 fire rounds into them
Fire is mostly useless vs crusher unless u have chastise
Cos chastise downgrade cara to flak
U can put two fire shells into a crusher then chastise for the large fire ticks
Im not sure if that will kill the crusher outright but it should cause significant damage
lavish flame
Haven't tried the Columbus on the zealot yet, but I assume it would do very well
Its solid
Not as good as vet or psyker
But it gets the job done
cursive viper
Flamer never did enough for me.
It is pretty situational, but can take a lot of pressure off you and the team
lavish flame
Braced auto might be better
Cos zealot gets the talent that heavily reduces its spread
cursive viper
Braced auto might be better
Thanks for the info
cursive viper
It is pretty situational, but *can* take a lot of pressure off you and the team
Particularly with blaze away and fan the flames, it can pretty much stop an enemy advance, no matter how many heretics are in it
lean lark
blaze away is enough to make the flamer melt stuff
cursive viper
And fan the flames also stops them from moving while being melted
lean lark
fan the flames isnt exactly good
they still need to fix overpressure
quickflame's a lot more useful than fan the flames imo
cursive viper
fan the flames isnt exactly good
I've never used a flamer without it, is the base stagger good enough already?
cursive viper
Alright, good to know
wanton shell
Hey, does the stripped down blessing overlap with the swift certainty talent?
lyric rain
Fire is mostly useless vs crusher *unless* u have chastise
So trigger chastise, then fire shell?
lean lark
Hey, does the stripped down blessing overlap with the swift certainty talent?
no
they do two different things
swift certainty makes the "dodge ranged shots at an angle" possible without stamina
stripped down makes you immune to ranged while sprinting at 50% stamina or higher
abstract venture
Flak or maniac on this
wanton shell
swift certainty makes the "dodge ranged shots at an angle" possible without stam...
Thanks. I thought dodge gave you ranged immunity as well. What’s the difference?
lean lark
ranged immunity is immune to all ranged
sprint at an angle is ranged immunity while sprinting at an angle facing the enemy
both are ranged immunity, except one is constant as long as you have stamina and the other is constant as long as you run at a certain angle
abstract venture
I fucking hate Dreg Ragers so Maniac
Maniac it is, also considering 10% elite but it's not quite the 25
wanton shell
both are ranged immunity, except one is constant as long as you have stamina and...
So there is an overlap? The blessing covers all that the talent does and more?
Except the stamina part
lyric rain
Maniac it is, also considering 10% elite but it's not quite the 25
That said the Columnus already does more Maniac than Flak
lean lark
think of it this way
stripped down is swift certainty with a stamina requirement and easier to trigger
so yeah i guess its an overlap
lavish flame
Stripped down is better on vet
wanton shell
So while my stamina is below the SD trigger, I have to sprint at an angle to have ranged immunity, and while I’m above it I have ranged immunity as long as I sprint ?
lean lark
yes, while holding out the weapon with stripped down
wanton shell
Right! Thanks!
lavish flame
Mhm.
verbal thunder
best secondary/ranged weapon for zealot?
I recommend the old revolver, myself.
wanton shell
Another question: is pairing precog and riposte on knife any good?
verbal thunder
Amazing flexible weapon, super fast draw time
Whip that bitch out, delete a bundle of problems in front of you with it, then back to your melee
ornate bone
Old revolver is best
You'll mostly be using it to 1tap specials anyway
And it's low on ammo use and reliably 1-2 taps most specials
Only downside is is there's more than 6 specials at a time
verbal thunder
Being able to reliably clear enemy specials at basically any range though, very priceless
ornate bone
Alternative pick is something like the br auto if you want more run and gun and helping clear range trash
Can even chip down some crushers during your dash
And can definitely kill a few maulers safely
But the range is dubious so you're not gonna be able to deal with specials properly unless they're close
ornate bone
Being able to reliably clear enemy specials at basically any range though, very ...
Ye it's the best combo of easy to quick swap, ammo efficient, and time efficient
verbal thunder
Biggest thing for me is the time efficiency
There's a lot of threats on board and ya boi has a schedule to keep
verbal thunder
Yessss
Also a big reason
Plus doesnt matter if the bomber is at 30 meters or 50
Shotgun would be SOL, but revolver just bangs
ornate bone
Yeah it's great
Plus sometimes there's positions where you can get the sniper
But your team can't
verbal thunder
Mhm, bomber or flamers or horde cut you off
lean lark
Another question: is pairing precog and riposte on knife any good?
its best to run uncanny + precog
verbal thunder
And it's 'oh shit oh shit' time
lean lark
but you can run uncanny + riposte too
ornate bone
Yeah
It's just so good
verbal thunder
I'm hoping other weapons get buffed up to that level, or we get more weapons similar to it
ornate bone
Can definitely feel FS wanting to tone it down eventually
But I hope they add in alternative weapons if they ever do
Bolter used to be one of the better ones to use but
Oof
verbal thunder
Too slow for me
Only build I use it on is my exec stance veteran, and only use that build on vent purge or lights out
ornate bone
Way too slow, kicks like a rocket, and doesn't even do as good as the revolver most of the time unless you're magdumping
Sounds really nice though
verbal thunder
I take it on that build for the magsize, and I take the talent that eliminates the weapon sway
One other thing I really like about the boltor is its ability to cleave through chaff
Specials sitting behind 15 scabs are not safe
But yeah aside from those two upsides it's unwieldy to use compared to the 'volver
Zealot uses the revolver on every build though, I frankly consider it mandatory due to the flexibility it offers
Plus it's basically an insanely better throwing knife, so I can take grenades and still cover my 'oh shit surprise this needs to die immediately' factor
lyric rain
I dislike that it's so good, but it's so good, that I can't dislike it
ornate bone
Yeah I feel you
lyric rain
I try to run non-meta weapons wherever possible but man it is just extremely difficult to find anything else truly viable
ornate bone
It's in the spot of being insanely good
And insanely smooth to play
lyric rain
I think it is OP on Vet
ornate bone
And the alternative weapons aren't nearly as smooth/good
lyric rain
Somehow needs some class-specific tuning
ornate bone
Vet has a more op weapon anyway tbh
lyric rain
It is meta but not in the same way Plasma is meta on Vet, which is brain-off, click in general direction, don't be an idiot and overheat, win game
ornate bone
Plasma gun is basically godlike if you know how to actually use your melee and not magdump
Yeah
lyric rain
Ya exactly lol
lyric rain
Revolver is meta in the sense that it is the one truly strong-yet-balanced-and-viable-in-endgame option
for Z
ornate bone
Weapon specialist plasma
Never need to reload weapon
Strong upclose
Clear ranged enemies anyway
frank night
the amount you can avoid caring about positioning
ornate bone
And still have the ability to get good breakpoints for enemies
frank night
because you can turn 15 guys in a straight line into vapor
with a gun that swaps instantly
ornate bone
the amount you can avoid caring about positioning
Right?
You sacrifice a bit of your ranged efficiency for being a mega beast at melee and quick swapping
verbal thunder
If you manage your ammo well you never have to reload your plasgun mid-horde anyway
So the mag bypass imo isnt very valuable
<--Plasgun main
ornate bone
If you manage your ammo well you never have to reload your plasgun mid-horde any...
Now it's even funnier
frank night
you never reload EVER
verbal thunder
Just reload when there isn't a horde
ornate bone
Just quick swap every 10 kills
Really funny
verbal thunder
Save youself the talent pt
frank night
altho you don't take the ammo thing for the ammo thing
you take it for the toughness on swap
if you are deep into the spraypaint
verbal thunder
But muh krak nade bonuses
ornate bone
Save youself the talent pt
You're giving up the better melee efficiency though
Which I'm not a fan of personally
frank night
i am undiagnosed unleashed unchained
verbal thunder
I take nade bonuses, leave no one behind, and +25% damage with other weapon
And some ally/self buffing skills
ornate bone
Weapon specialist is just ingrained in me as a vt2 player
verbal thunder
I can understand that as a keri player
ornate bone
If I'm not quick swapping constantly between melee and ranged
I'm not playing a Fatshark game
ornate bone
I can understand that as a keri player
Lul I was a BH/Keri player funny enough
verbal thunder
Waystalker/sister keri here, hello
ornate bone
Best moments of vt2 was prenerf BH salt crit
verbal thunder
I get poked to death instantly by skavenslaves and die
Sorry for that, VT is wild
ornate bone
Crit refresh on melee kill 
ornate bone
I get poked to death instantly by skavenslaves and die
Nah that's a mood
verbal thunder
Outcast engi is broke af now
ashen prairie
Handmaiden bestmaiden
verbal thunder
Looks fun
verbal thunder
Handmaiden lacked the ult for me
ornate bone
Handmaiden is mostly a breakpoint hero cos you get some silly stuff going with hero power and the right build
verbal thunder
Keri waywatcher and SoT ult work well though, clearing space or removing a problem that will end the run
ornate bone
Also you're a dodge lord and you can do silly stuff like revive + dash and go invi during the animation
verbal thunder
I should do more with HM
ashen prairie
I just liked dropping all aggro onto kruber
ornate bone
But I understand that it can feel weird at times
verbal thunder
But that ult has always put me off some
ornate bone
I should do more with HM
Do it with sword and dagger
verbal thunder
Ofc
ornate bone
You basically never need to worry
verbal thunder
Sword and dagger, only good keri melee
ornate bone
I just liked dropping all aggro onto kruber
The classic tbh
verbal thunder
Nah
ornate bone
I miss vt2 now
I need to play it again
ornate bone
Nah the classic is javelins into teammates
I'm a BH main
I just ult teammates to shoot bosses
ashen prairie
oh god hagbane is a neverending stream of complaints
ornate bone
And pretend it's a misclick.
verbal thunder
Tbh earned
I've got all heroes 30 and getting friendly fired by hagbane keri
aaaaaaaaa
Can't see fucking shit mate
verbal thunder
Ye its gotten me killed a few times because I didnt see black rat overhead
Or skavenslave pack
My dumbass brain wants to kill things, not block
Blocking is for chumps
ornate bone
Haha
verbal thunder
Gets killed by SV overhead
ornate bone
Wrong kek
verbal thunder
Personally though I want to see a lot of the weapons buffed a bit. Not massively. But, a bit.
lean lark
i want all weapons nerfed
verbal thunder
Give the headhunters some cleave for example
ornate bone
Give the new revolver more oomph imo
lean lark
every weapon shouldnt be the way it is but weaker
ornate bone
Pretty silly weapon atm with how relatively limited it is
But that's not unique to it anyway
Tons of weapons atm are underperforming
lean lark
until they find a way to actually nerf player power without nerfing the weapons right now
ornate bone
And not even "it's a meme weapon"
verbal thunder
Sounds like you just want a new difficulty
lean lark
but nerfing the weapons we have would be the easiest solution
verbal thunder
I honestly dont ever get that take
Like is auric damnation maelstrom not hard enough for you lot
Do you sleep while playin it
ornate bone
It's cool
Personally I'd just buff everything to be good weapons for their role
lean lark
when you get perfect weapons and make your builds be as effective as possible
ornate bone
And then make spawns compensate after
lean lark
you dont really feel the challenge you would think you'd get
verbal thunder
Sounds like you want an even higher difficulty then, not a nerf to everything
sinful widget
Does everyone lose 1 wound in heresy difficulty and up?
lean lark
yes
sinful widget
Amazing
lean lark
except ogryn
verbal thunder
Which, fair, I bet we will get that
ornate bone
Does everyone lose 1 wound in heresy difficulty and up?
Ye
So everyone dies after 1 wound other than Ogryn who has 2 downs
Then it's out
It's not that bad tbh
You'll get used to it
native cargo
remember
sinful widget
Was a bit surprised to load into heresy and see only 2 wounds as a zealot
verbal thunder
Remember to dodge and block friend
sinful widget
I was spamming that shit 24/7
ornate bone
It's mostly just to punish people who play too loose and make them play defensively
verbal thunder
This is the way
ornate bone
Which even then isn't too much of a punish since you can make some really tanky builds
verbal thunder
Esp w/ zealot
ornate bone
( and there's tons of strong defensive options to use )
sinful widget
I feel like there's more team cohesion thus making chorus a lot more essential
ornate bone
Yeah
sinful widget
Yet i was using my fury build
ornate bone
Depends
Chorus is actually really good
But its downside is that it while it gives you space
You don't "do anything"
verbal thunder
Ima be real I dont take chorus anymore, but mostly for fun factor
I want to get the fuck in there and charge around like a crackhead
verbal thunder
FOR THE GOD EMPEROR Charges headfirst into 5x Crushers
ornate bone
Chorus is a defensive option that's not needed often unless you're wiping hard
Then it's a run saver
sinful widget
2 dashes is pretty funny for dodging some nasty stuff
verbal thunder
Its handy for certain mission modifiers though
ornate bone
Yeh
ornate bone
2 dashes is pretty funny for dodging some nasty stuff
Can also output huge boss damage with your chainw weapons too
Just rev and heavy then do your dash
abstract venture
Tell that to the zealots with like 80 hours each that failed 3 normal ass damnations in a row and raged
ornate bone
Can 1shot tons of shit
ornate bone
Crucis is super clunky ye
( for the alt special hits )
It's easier for horde clears
verbal thunder
Yea
ornate bone
Ironhelm has that over the shoulder 3rd heavy
sinful widget
Hmmm
ornate bone
Which is kinda junk
verbal thunder
Another thing w/ Ironhelm
sinful widget
Whats a good gun to use if i have a chainaxe
verbal thunder
It doesnt stop on small units
If its charged
It goes through and only hits markable targets
Crucis does not do that
ornate bone
Whats a good gun to use if i have a chainaxe
Always revolver for zealot unless you wanna rock a br auto or a headhunter
verbal thunder
It will stop on everything
ornate bone
Depends on play style
copper hawk
Slurp
verbal thunder
No matter how worthless the target
sinful widget
Which revolver?
verbal thunder
Old one
ornate bone
Older one
oak cipher
Always revolver for zealot unless you wanna rock a br auto or a headhunter
False.
ornate bone
New one is more for close ranged kills
onyx solar
Whats a good gun to use if i have a chainaxe
I use the zarona revolver, columnus infantry auto, agripinaa braced auto, and flamethrower for my chainaxe build
sinful widget
New one has that hanmer fanning thing right?
copper hawk
Yarp
copper hawk
I recommend agri brauto
sinful widget
Flanethrower?
ornate bone
But it's easier to complement your hyper strong close ranged with a strong ranged weapon that's easy to use, effective, and ammo efficient
copper hawk
Wub it
oak cipher
Nobody is stoping me, but still false claim.
copper hawk
Flamer is sorta bleh
onyx solar
Flanethrower?
artemis purgation
ornate bone
Flanethrower?
You can use it
But you'd ideally need to abandon nades for a knife
copper hawk
Just use a kantrael
sinful widget
Last time i saw a flamethrower, they did terribly
copper hawk
Flame shot has infinite cleave and massive spread
ornate bone
Flamethrower does fine
abstract venture
Could I get away with rolling this? Max cleave is only 11.80 iirc
copper hawk
Shotguns r also sniper rifles
lean lark
flamer is very good
ornate bone
Issue with flamer is that using it hurts your ability to actually have range
copper hawk
Just use a kantrael shotty
onyx solar
Last time i saw a flamethrower, they did terribly
i hear you, but from my experience terrible players are gonna be terrible. probably just more noticeable since everything was on fire
sinful widget
I am using a kantrael actually, but i cant touch gunners let alone snipers effectively
ember yew
Tell that to the zealots with like 80 hours each that failed 3 normal ass damnat...
I saw a level 285 Knife Zealot yesterday, who kinda got knocked out by idk-what, but he ran so far away and i was busy trying to get there thru hordes and specials (alone, btw, randoms didnt even care about him), so he just ragequit while hanging on the ledge for like 15 seconds.
TLDR Dont run 150km ahead (i think he used shroud too) then get knocked out by random sht. There's a limit to babysitting in this game.
lean lark
top ranged: zarona revolver, agri brauto, columnus IAG, braced autoguns in general, old laspistol, flamer, kant shotgun, lawbringer, bolter
ornate bone
Plus side is if you use your flamer
copper hawk
I saw a level 285 Knife Zealot yesterday, who kinda got knocked out by idk-what,...
Knife users
ornate bone
You make hordes ( even melee hordes ) a joke 90% of the time
copper hawk
Typical
ember yew
ornate bone
So it's just a toss up
Do you wanna make hordes into a non event and suck up ammo and rely on your team to kill specials
onyx solar
honestly, long story short, try out all the ranged (greys from brunts) in the psykanium and see which feel best
ornate bone
Or go for something else
copper hawk
I use the agri brauto
ornate bone
No wrong answer as long as you feel comfortable with it
oak cipher
I sometimes need to remember that this is a place for people trying to solo.
@ornate bone sorry for my impudence, your claim is true in that case.
onyx solar
if you are good at the game you will succeed with almost any weapon
ornate bone
I use the agri brauto
I use it since I have ghost and dumdum atm
ember yew
honestly, long story short, try out all the ranged (greys from brunts) in the ps...
That's what i did when i started the game back in the day, got all grey items (melee and ranged) and went to psykanium to get a feel, it was worth it
ornate bone
I sometimes need to remember that this is a place for people trying to solo.
<@...
No worries
Most of my advice is generally for making your own builds "capable of handling everything"
copper hawk
Impudence
desert vessel
I use columnus on everything
copper hawk
Erm..
ornate bone
But what you said isn't wrong anyway
desert vessel
people have been recommending autopistol, but I dont see it
onyx solar
you dont brace the agri brauto right?
onyx solar
i remember something about how it makes it worse somehow
burnt granite
people have been recommending autopistol, but I dont see it
auto pistols are lacking after they nerfed the blessings on it
copper hawk
Agri is just zo nice
lean lark
autopistol is in a very shit place
ornate bone
you dont brace the agri brauto right?
You can brace it for accuracy
lean lark
dont use it
lean lark
even on vet its very bad
ornate bone
Don't brace it if you want fire rate
sinful widget
Was the boltgun ever good?
lean lark
yes
copper hawk
It was
lean lark
and it still is good
desert vessel
yes
copper hawk
It's not vry good anymore
ornate bone
Was the boltgun ever good?
Release it was op
onyx solar
yeah
ornate bone
Now it's in the overlooked category
ember yew
Hop on on my Laspistol mk2 propaganda train
copper hawk
Run pinning fire and cavalcade w zeal
ember yew
onyx solar
boltgun is still fun, it's just slow and the revolver does almost the same job
ornate bone
Lost a lot of its power but kept its flaws
abstract venture
I saw a level 285 Knife Zealot yesterday, who kinda got knocked out by idk-what,...
Knife seems painfully single target focused and as a player who is very run right at them and dodge light spam it would take a specific team to make me consider a knife
ornate bone
Yeah
desert vessel
Its still good, long reloads are manageable on vet, I just wish theyd reduce that bonkers draw time
oak cipher
I usually run in a duo, we both rave knives, but friend is a pyromaniac, while I hold onto bolter for crusher-infestation. Haven't been many situations wher ethis didn't carry us through when the party fails to provide results. Though 80% of the time people at MAuric know what they do.
copper hawk
Hate combat blade..
onyx solar
Its still good, long reloads are manageable on vet, I just wish theyd reduce tha...
that draw time is skippable on zealot, at least. throw knife then draw
sinful widget
How does the old revolver perform against elites btw
copper hawk
Throw eggs at combat blade userz..
desert vessel
that draw time is skippable on zealot, at least. throw knife then draw
yeah but then I have to use the knife over immolation
copper hawk
onyx solar
i'm the .1% of combat blade users.. i stay with the team, snipe specials, kill elites with the tiny knife, and don't try to horde clear with the damn thing
and clutch errytime
ornate bone
that draw time is skippable on zealot, at least. throw knife then draw
Tbf the knife skip downside is you have the knife anyway haha
abstract venture
Blade would be good for whatever the thammer is good for just at a higher swing speed
ornate bone
Only fair
copper hawk
Destroying elitez and bosses
onyx solar
yeah but then I have to use the knife over immolation <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
true. i can't live without my fire nades
copper hawk
Is what it's good 4
ornate bone
The fire nade/stun nades are huge in aurics
copper hawk
The thammer
sinful widget
Whoever it was yesterday that told me to keep rev it up on my chainaxe is great
sinful widget
I can outrun everything with it
abstract venture
Rev is fun ONLY if you are looking for materials
Even then it can burn in the warp
onyx solar
on another note for knife, apparently i am the only one who looks for materials in all my runs so it's nice to be able to catch up and not die
people who just walk by plasteel make me sad
ember yew
It kills me everytime when people ignore plasteel stacks
ornate bone
Rev is funny
oak cipher
Hate combat blade..
Trash experience? hated it back in the day of being a noob. Now? I still don't like others who bring knife, as for ourselves, we know how to properly use them. Just yesterday got 3 games in, knife rules.
ornate bone
That's for sure
abstract venture
Half my time on this game is spent finding a decent group to do my resources with
ornate bone
I saw a zealot use it before
So he can throw faster
Man revved it up straight into a dog
onyx solar
Trash experience? hated it back in the day of being a noob. Now? I still don't l...
it's kinda funny, actually. I'm a combat blade user and I hate it when I see other people have it
ornate bone
A classic auric Maelstrom strat
oak cipher
it's kinda funny, actually. I'm a combat blade user and I hate it when I see oth...
Yes, cause insta ssume they are a bot who has no idea what to do with it 😄
onyx solar
vets and psykers with the knife have excellent mobility but dear god they die all the time cause they can't do anything when cornered by 3 ragers
ornate bone
I dislike knife users but mostly because people who bring it are silly
sinful widget
Is it smart to use immolation + chorus and horde clear weapons?
ornate bone
Need good control to make it good
abstract venture
Funny chainsword rev go brrr
sinful widget
Or is it overkill for hordes?
ornate bone
Is it smart to use immolation + chorus and horde clear weapons?
That's good
But you can skip chorus too
Just lob the nade at your feet and dodge dance
onyx solar
Is it smart to use immolation + chorus and horde clear weapons?
that is a good tactic, yeah. not overkill in auric damnation
ornate bone
Should clear most stuff
oak cipher
vets and psykers with the knife have excellent mobility but dear god they die al...
That is why you have staves or lightning. So that you don't get karkedlike that
ornate bone
The chorus nade combo is more for uber deadly situations
Like melee scabs only + blitz
Which does happen
onyx solar
That is why you have staves or lightning. So that you don't get karkedlike that
yeah.. it would be nice if pubs used those tools
ornate bone
But in general for bad hordes, 1 or 2 fire nades in the same spot is enough
Chorus just guarantees you survive it most of the time
sinful widget
Whats a good melee for horde clear?
ornate bone
But you'll need to balance it with not having the dash
sinful widget
Chainsword? Long sword?
ornate bone
Whats a good melee for horde clear?
Do you play dodgey and fast and loose
Or slow and methodical with crits
sinful widget
Dodgy
lavish flame
Need good control to make it good
How to tell a good knife zealot from a bad one.
Bad ones run stealth + loner
ornate bone
Any of the swords, the claw, chainsword, chainaxe pretty good
lean lark
Whats a good melee for horde clear?
heavysword
ornate bone
Probably want either the Mk4 claw for hordes + rager duels
Heavy sword cos it's funny
Or chain weapons so you can deal with maulers better
sinful widget
I used to run a heavy sword but i felt powerless against elites
onyx solar
Whats a good melee for horde clear?
Mk II and XV Eviscerator, Mk IX Heavy Sword, Antax Combat Axe are high up there, and but the IV and XII chainaxe, Ironhelm hammer, chainswords, and devil's claws work well too
oak cipher
Need good control to make it good
Mostly need brains not to get ahead of the group too much and understand how that mobility works. I am a speeddemon build, I run around the freaking things and get them all backstabbed and agroed. MY comp is a critbuild, but he usually just burns everything or agro-tanks so that I can backstab. We work off each other, its our damn dance, not just brainless usain bolt coplay
onyx solar
I can't bring heavy sword. If I do, then no one else on the team can deal with carapace. Of course.
lean lark
then you bring bolter
with heavysword
and you're the best one-man army
bosses? carapace? bolter takes care of that
ornate bone
I can't bring heavy sword. If I do, then no one else on the team can deal with c...
That's the downside of using them tbh
Clear trash like a god
Do the sad doge meme with heavier stuff
But it's why I prefer the new chain axe myself
onyx solar
yeah but then I'd have to use bolter. personal preference against slow ranged weapons that have poor ammo economy
(I do use revolver tho)
placid fiber
Personally I just run brauto with heavy sword
oak cipher
yeah.. it would be nice if pubs used those tools
When the patch rolled out, psyker seemed like a uberweapon. Now though... I find the MAuric is very dif even with all the proper kits. Cant really deal with everything without help. But they do offer the shield and enough consistent damage if have brains and support
ornate bone
New chain axe clears hordes well, can rev 1shot maulers and Crushers, and the overhead heavies do ok
ornate bone
Personally I just run brauto with heavy sword
Br auto is my go to ranged atm
lean lark
my favorite setup to run is shriek brainburst rending trauma
ornate bone
But it's cos it helps clear out trash too
lean lark
with mk4 duelling
onyx solar
i'm torn between the two chainaxes, IV has those rev lights that feel good, but spamming heavies for horde clear is tiring
oak cipher
How to tell a good knife zealot from a bad one.
Bad ones run stealth + loner
I run stealth and loner. Shreds everything. Though my comp does bring the Ben and rush combo into the fray.
ornate bone
i'm torn between the two chainaxes, IV has those rev lights that feel good, but ...
If you're a really strong player the older one is probably better
With good control
onyx solar
yeah
ornate bone
Spamming heavies are the real issue since you can have bad horde control and get chunked during your heavy spams
Meanwhile the new chain axe is just mash left click like a maniac and nothing gets to hit
flat marsh
The old chainaxe combo was using a lot of push attacks since it was dummy fast and then a couple of heavies for follow-up
oak cipher
I used to run a heavy sword but i felt powerless against elites
Crushers can be countered by the special, but you do need to have everything else cleared out first. Unarmored karkers fall to HS heavies like flies. So never had a problem except it leaves me less mobility and takes longer TTK on most things when compared to knife.
flat marsh
The new chainaxe left click spam is kinda slow imo
onyx solar
the one on the left chunks bosses and crushers real nice
ornate bone
Yeah you basically need momentum to make it feel smoother
flat marsh
I personally still prefer the old one
The light spam is sorta jarring with how slow it feels for me
ornate bone
Upside is that the rotations for the new chain axe are much easier to learn without trying too.hard
Just push a few times and maybe use your dash now and then to knock them to the floor
lean lark
Crushers can be countered by the special, but you do need to have everything els...
you're wrong on that
oak cipher
but takes a bit to get the hang on
Yeah, and very fast to be ganged on 😄
lean lark
heavysword has the highest elite ttk for zealot
and it doesnt take fast to be ganged on if you know how to make breathing space
bolter takes some time to get used to and to get the best out of
oak cipher
my favorite setup to run is shriek brainburst rending trauma
My comp runs that build, a good help. But shield still wins imo
ornate bone
Shield is the always safe option
Can never go wrong with it even during melee hordes because of the toughness increase
The shriek builds are fantastic if you have good control though
Ability to knock over crushers and maulers and giving them soulfire/brittle
Huge
oak cipher
you're wrong on that
With all due respect, I ran a lot of HS+Bolter on MAuric and I do not see myself being proven wrong there.
onyx solar
venting shriek applies brittle?
sinful widget
Is soulfire the blue fire thing?
ornate bone
venting shriek applies brittle?
My build uses a staff that gives brittle
onyx solar
ah, yeah, gotcha
ornate bone
Shriek just gives soulfire which is just burn dot
lean lark
With all due respect, I ran a lot of HS+Bolter on MAuric and I do not see myself...
i run hs bolter in every mission and can deal with everything thrown at me
ornate bone
Is soulfire the blue fire thing?
Yup
That psyker build basically clears trash and knocks over bigger enemies
And makes them easier to hurt
oak cipher
i run hs bolter in every mission and can deal with everything thrown at me
So wait, where am I wrong then? oO
ornate bone
Worst case you kill them yourself
sinful widget
Does brittle lower their armor type?
ornate bone
Downside is
You're squishy
sinful widget
Or just increase dmg taken
ornate bone
Does brittle lower their armor type?
Basically lowers their defense/ increases their damage taken
ornate bone
If it's an rpg
It's like a defense down debuff
lean lark
you're wrong at saying the hsword has worse elite ttk than knife
sinful widget
If it's an rpg
It's like a defense down debuff
Damn, didnt know psykers can shoot rockets
Cool stufd
oak cipher
Doesnt matter if your squishy if you can stunlock the planet
Say hello to nurgles blessing.
oak cipher
you're wrong at saying the hsword has worse elite ttk than knife
In my exp and build, it does.
sinful widget
I wish the zealot throwing knife was deadlier in heresy diff.
I have to aim for heads to 1 shot
ornate bone
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493156996644864001/1188276245742493828/...
Space magic op
lean lark
what build are you running with the hsword bolter combo
ornate bone
I wish the zealot throwing knife was deadlier in heresy diff.
Yeah knives are an actual meme unfortunately
oak cipher
I wish the zealot throwing knife was deadlier in heresy diff.
I wish it automatically headshots... in 3rd person aiming it is literally impossuble -_-
ornate bone
But if it's a fun meme then go for it
pliant palm
Knifes are cool because they are throwing knifes and those are cool, also I don't need to refill them via grenade box, so thats a huge plus for me personally
sinful widget
Someone throw a knfie at this guy
pliant palm
That's a axe silly
pliant palm
Hachet to some
pliant palm
Who's axeing -
I hope someone puts you into a Rage 2 tutorial
faint sphinx
Wasn't Rage 2 basically just a resting of the first one?
ornate bone
Honestly
I don't even remember.
That's how mid rage 2 was
But I do remember Rage 1 and uhh
How boring it was lol
faint sphinx
First one wasn't bad for when it came out, but still was a wanna be Borderlands 2.
ornate bone
At least put me in a good game like Dusk
pliant palm
I remember when I had a tutorial on how a shotgun is used,then I remember each tutorial and how I got 40% damage resistance to everything before the first few quests basically
Then I remember how I hated it and was to happy to see the clappy ending
ornate bone
Hahaha
Did it make you
Rage
Actually I should've told you it made me mad
And then asked if it made you
Rage 2-
pliant palm
It was honestly just, "wow, I can't wait until I end this game"
And only reason I beat it is cuz I was streaming it to a friend
ornate bone
Missed a better pun
But joking aside
Yeah I get it
I remember a friend gifting it to me
And the only thing I got from reviews of it before playing it was "it's okay I guess?"
pliant palm
At least it wasn't Borderlands 3,
ornate bone
True
I actually thought borderlands 3 was okay in a very boring way
But I was never a fan of borderlands so my bias on not liking it is consistent
shadow spruce
Is Stan alive
sinful widget
is +30% impact even useful on zealot?
oak cipher
is +30% impact even useful on zealot?
I remember before the new tallent tree taking it with my knife... was a funny experience of staggering hordes.
Now though no idea. But I think it helps with the WH to keep the hordes away with heavies
lyric rain
is +30% impact even useful on zealot?
IMO as a trash player it depends on the context
Are you trying to get to Beacon? Because if so the question is actually "Is Shield of Contempt + Hammer of Faith worth it over Sainted Gunslinger + Unremitting"
I don't believe it's worth getting in and of itself
drifting wolf
I actually thought borderlands 3 was okay in a very boring way
i think it's a common opinion that 3 has atrocious writing and characters but the best gunplay in the series. not really a fan of the anointment system and how legendaries dropped constantly, though.