zealot-class

[ornate bone]

Sus
Stop venting

[pallid hemlock]

least it's not Rodin style venting

[frozen ibex]

[surreal solstice]

Normal mode damnation twins are quite easy compared to regular mission
Hard mode is hell unless having proper team

[quaint verge]

sus

[pallid hemlock]

took 4 attempts to clear damnation twins during xmas break

last 2 I got matched with 2 vets with 9 wounds between them

martyrdom vets

[blazing fossil]

i refuse to try HM since there aren't separate queues, big brain moment from FS

[pallid hemlock]

managed to clear it but I was malded that we did because they didn't deserve it

[frozen ibex]

If you want mate I can help.

I can bring in the boys.

[ornate bone]

Fatshark is 1 step forward

2 steps back

Making crafting worse than vt2 crafting is certainly a big brain move

[blazing fossil]

appreciate that, maybe in a few?

[pallid hemlock]

yeah I find that's definitely killing my interest in marathon sessions unlike with VT2

[frozen ibex]

Yeah in a few hours I'm outside now.

[north sedge]

Out....side? What's that

[pallid hemlock]

it's where the grass is

[frozen ibex]

@quaint verge in a few okay?

[ornate bone]

It's the warp

[sharp zodiac]

Hell

[frozen ibex]

It's cold and it's raining. I don't recommend outside.

[north sedge]

Like this i hope

[surreal marlin]

dagger zealot good?

[gray ice]

man I wish it was raining right now

[gray ice]

realistically? no

[quaint verge]

its snowing here

[gray ice]

ah snow, a treasure I cannot possess

[quaint verge]

our exam is going though teams now

snowstorm = cant show up physically

[ornate bone]

Dagger zealot is funny

But you can just be heavy weight if you play it badly

[gray ice]

I would see this as a win honestly

[quaint verge]

there is no daggers

its a knife

[frozen ibex]

Knife? Very

[quaint verge]

it is

[ornate bone]

You call that a knife?

[quaint verge]

a dagger is double edged

[ornate bone]

This
Is a knoife

[gray ice]

ann in perpetual despair

[quaint verge]

adhd and bachelor education

7/10 done now

[gray ice]

A volatile mixture for sure

you're almost there tho, I believe in you

[quaint verge]

just need two more exams after this

[gray ice]

soon I'll be back to having my own exams

[fading vale]

yall ever get baited into typing /disco to dance in some older games

[quaint verge]

for this semester if i might add

[gray ice]

but these will be more so about making sure to weld properly so buildings keep standing and such

[gray ice]

[fading vale]

I was like 10 years old playing jedi knight academy online

and fell for it

stuck with me to this day

[gray ice]

Not specifically disco, but I've fallen for that kinda thing

[fading vale]

jedi knight academy was a great game

[quaint verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AonYLfUnmAQ

[gray ice]

whole building collapsed the next day

[quaint verge]

ask incan about it, it was his ol PM

[gray ice]

I missed out on a lot of the older Star Wars games

I got to play the old republic while it was still relatively popular

[fading vale]

Kotor and academy

and battlefront 2

[violet hornet]

Lmao this is the game I thought of when you mentioned /disco

[fading vale]

lol someone else knew

[gray ice]

I got to play kotor on original xbox and battlefront 2

[violet hornet]

/qui gon jin for cheats in mp

[violet hornet]

I went back to try to play that a few years ago and found an empty server filled with bots named after people I used to play with regularly, it was pretty creepy

[gray ice]

in battlefront 2 I would constantly play the droideka

[fading vale]

the "new" battlefront just feels like battlefield aka bad

[violet hornet]

OG battlefronts were amazing

[quaint verge]

At least Vader gets to have timbs

[violet hornet]

If only I had a computer that could render the forest maps without shitting itself back in the day

[gray ice]

yea I didn't care much for the new battlefront 2, just didn't have the same kind of vibe

[solar gorge]

star wars is bad

[violet hornet]

How am I supposed to take 15 minutes to wander an AT AT into the wrong map corner when it's on fucking rails now?

[solar gorge]

only the legend stuff had potential and was kinda entertaining

[gray ice]

Yea can't have too much player freedom or they might have more than the legally allotted amount of fun

[olive raven]

crusher gaming

[violet hornet]

Exactly, it already met the "free fun" quota

[gray ice]

Only thing that I'll give them, is that the ship vs. ship mode was actually stupidly fun

I wish it caught on more

[violet hornet]

Imagine if the AT AT had a coin slot in the cockpit that would let you take it off the rails for a few minutes like putting coins in those horde ride things at the grocery store

[gray ice]

the coins to do that would've been locked behind starcards

The fact EA got voted worst company in america multiple times in a row says enough

Like how bad do you have to be for people to care enough that they went out of their way to vote that twice

[frosty herald]

Delivery company found it funny to deliver my controller 2 hours early

[gray ice]

ha s o funni haaha

[quaint verge]

I remember the big update they did, and first comment was "Dead game, LoL"

[glass steeple]

im struggling with my zealot
like i understand the mechanics
but i'm struggling with keeping him alive (yes, the skill tree has been check several times and im using the meta to regain toughness on kill)
i dont know if im going overboard with my YOLO aproach or if i just plainly suck xddd
or if the class is supose to struggle untill you have your complete skill (currently at lvl 22)

[quaint verge]

Using fury?

[glass steeple]

im basillay left branching him

[umbral kindle]

The most important thing in the whole game is movement

[rapid trail]

i guess that 1.5 stamina into something else

[glass steeple]

with a chainsword

[gray ice]

you are probably not dodging correctly and/or taking a lot of ranged and chip dmg

[umbral kindle]

If you can dodge

You can win

[glass steeple]

yeah i mean

its not like i suck at it

[quaint verge]

Lacerate to uncanny stamina to flak

[glass steeple]

but the thing is that i dont "feel it"

like when you are playing other clases, you understand what you are suposed to do

[gray ice]

not to be mean, but if you're finding yourself unable to stay alive then this is not necessarily true

[quaint verge]

You want momentum to feel zoomy at the end of the tree on the right side

[glass steeple]

but im not feeling that with the zealot

[rapid trail]

thanks

[gray ice]

What build are you running?

[ornate bone]

Need to shove and dodge a lot

What weapon are you using?

How good your weapon is basically dictates how often you need to shove/dodge

[umbral kindle]

Zealot is really good at a few things depending on how you build

[ornate bone]

Like if you're using a combat axe

[glass steeple]

stun nades, shotgun and two hand chainsaw

[ornate bone]

You need a lot more dodges and shoves

Ah the evis

Ye you need a few shoves now and then

[gray ice]

show tree

[glass steeple]

not at PC at the moment, but im l'm left branching him

[gray ice]

As in every talent in the left branch only?

[ornate bone]

Should go down momentum for evis imo

• the 10% attack speed in the last set

[glass steeple]

of course not, but its the general direction

[gray ice]

do you have chastise and piety + cdr?

[glass steeple]

(im leveling the class, so im learning, im a Vet main)

[ornate bone]

No worries

[umbral kindle]

You can be a disruptor that forces ranged enemies into melee, you can be a boss destroyer, you can be a horde clear machine, a frontline tank. Depends how you build

[ornate bone]

Oh
Right what evis are you using

The older one
Or the newer one

[glass steeple]

the aproach im mos enjoing currently is to rush into ranged

[ornate bone]

The older weapon pattern on that evis is kind of a meme

[glass steeple]

like, LEROYing into the ranged enemies

[ornate bone]

Probably should be using a 1h chainsword or chain axe if you're going to yolo into ranged enemies a lot

[glass steeple]

but most of the times, my team dont follow

and that get me killed

xddddd

[little thicket]

Chaxe is great vs shooters

[gray ice]

What do you mean by this

[little thicket]

Combat axe*

[ornate bone]

Harder for a newer zealot player to learn the pattern

[umbral kindle]

Best advice in staying alive for that is dodge and slide at all times and keep an eye on where/how many gunners there are. Kill them first

[ornate bone]

He's still leveling his zealot xd

Way harder to learn fundementals on a new class while also balancing the attack pattern on the older evis

[gray ice]

ah, I guess but it's not really that complicated anymore

[ornate bone]

Should also learn to play conservatively tbh

[little thicket]

Gunner elites are op vs low levels

[umbral kindle]

If there's too many gunners just wait and pick them off before you rush

[gray ice]

it's strong enough that you can basically just light spam the entire game lol

[ornate bone]

But it's normal

[ornate bone]

True lol

I haven't touched it in a while after the new evis came out

[little thicket]

High levels wont understand how strong gunners actually feel for low levels

[ornate bone]

( and haven't touch any evis since I got a good new chain axe )

Beloved chain axe

[fading vale]

I remember when I thought ranged were a problem back in like, January and December

but then I learned to become one with the diving

[ornate bone]

Ranged enemies r still toxic

[glass steeple]

yeah, you learn to dodge and slide with Vet and Psikers (those are my lvl 30) but im still learnig the Block/shove mechanic since i rarelly needed to do so with my former classes

[ornate bone]

But less so unless there's like 30 of them

[misty raven]

Yea new evis is just leagues more ignorant in lmb spam

[ornate bone]

Ye I loved the new evis for a bit

[pallid hemlock]

getting pressure washed into a corner by gunners is rough

[fading vale]

TWBS be like

[gray ice]

if I had to guess at this point, I'd say you just need more practice with fundamentals. Proper dodging, not just spamming the button when you have it. Same with dodge sliding

[ornate bone]

You'll get used to it
Just need to practice fundamentals

But stuff like horde control is hard to teach

If you're having a really hard time imo you might wanna try a more forgiving weapon for learning shove/dodge fundementals

[pallid hemlock]

a lot of it will rely on judgement and your read of a situation, and there's no substitute for than other than clocking the hours

[ornate bone]

Like the Mk4 claw or the heavy sword or chainsword

[glass steeple]

like... what i used to do was to instead the shotgun, use a revolver, and picked the autogun and snipers first...

But at some point i felt the skill tree forced me into needing the shotgun

[ornate bone]

They're probably the best at teaching you when you need to shove/dodge because you rarely get hit during your light spam

[fading vale]

also if you hate player stagger (and you should cause it's stupid) run TWBS

[gray ice]

I mean back then they kinda were a bit. Didn't we still have bloodthirsty shotgunners back then

[pallid hemlock]

TWBS is just annoyingly good

[inner crane]

what you mean you need to use shotgun?

[gray ice]

Squads of shotgunners would straight wipe games

[pallid hemlock]

and it's something most new players don't pick up on

[ornate bone]

We did ye

[fading vale]

yeah the shotgunners back then were mobile snipers

[misty raven]

Favorite ranged on zealot atm is columnus iag, agri brauto and bolter

[ornate bone]

When you were already slapping the shotgunner

[pallid hemlock]

shotgunners just slamfiring people, good times

[ornate bone]

And he's like
Ok I shoot you again

Good times

[glass steeple]

you hit more enemies at once and get your buff rolling

[ornate bone]

Bro is like
In melee range?
That means you take the full shotgun blast

[glass steeple]

and stagger them

[gray ice]

Shotgunners stopped eating wheaties and haven't been the same

[misty raven]

The cacophony of someone's funeral

[ornate bone]

Thankfully

[glass steeple]

so its easier for me to charge to them

[fading vale]

shotgunners are a bit too weak now

[gray ice]

they were replaced with squads of 30 gunners

[ornate bone]

True lol

[fading vale]

they are scoreboard fodder

[pallid hemlock]

tbh I prefer the gunners

[frozen glen]

day 1 shotgunners

[ornate bone]

I lost a clutch yesterday because 30 gunners just chipped me down to 0 😔

[pallid hemlock]

they don't punish you for trying to do the right thing

[misty raven]

Yea shotgunners are only like a moment of "oh shit" if the whole squad surprises you

[fading vale]

and they spawn them in packs of 8

[pallid hemlock]

they're just obnoxiously pedantic about any mistakes

[misty raven]

What was that like? Pre-ordered but only really started playing when class overhaul came

[ornate bone]

Wdym I'm not supposed to use my chastise on them and get stun locked and get shot down last samurai style

[gray ice]

Honestly shotgunners now almost feel like they're a disabler roll if you're not running TWBS zealot

[ornate bone]

😔

[inner crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1185823130531397652/20231216212209_1.jpg?ex=65a377d9&is=659102d9&hm=0577d7462fee4bc33c0833cca937acd3bae24184a7d89cd68ecd64579a814d72&

[fading vale]

they did a billion damage at infinite range and ignored going into melee

[gray ice]

cuz they're basically just there to stagger you so other worse shit happens to you cuz you missed a dodge

[inner crane]

it do be like that

[ornate bone]

They basically could delete you if one of them existed in any space near you

Without you seeing them

[frozen glen]

a single shotgunner would drain your toughness and ignore melee

[ornate bone]

Yeah

[frozen glen]

ignore melee as in keep shooting

[pallid hemlock]

didn't scream loud enough, kiai 0/10

[ornate bone]

You could already be shoving and meleeing them

And they'd still fucking shoot you in the face and down you

[gray ice]

into the fray brother

[fading vale]

not just that but they had like 0 range fall off

[ornate bone]

It was
So fun
Awful

[glass steeple]

so... for shotgunners what i used to do was trow a knife thingy... super effective if you are good at aiming... BUT that takes my stun nades... and that sucked

[ornate bone]

But that was when Veteran was super overpowered because they just didn't take damage from ranged for a while

[gray ice]

don't use knives ever

[pallid hemlock]

this was well before zealot had throwing knives

[misty raven]

Shotgunners. You have a shotgun? Why are you pulling out melee? Are they stupid?

[ornate bone]

^

[gray ice]

not literally, but like seriously don't use knives

[ornate bone]

Knives r a trap most of the time

[copper hawk]

Yah lazorr

Hehe..

[glass steeple]

i know.. learned it the bad way

[ornate bone]

Go stun nade or fire

Fire is really clutch tbh

[gray ice]

molotovs my beloved

[pallid hemlock]

knives are for the people still coping about flamer

[ornate bone]

Can clear a mauler or bulwark squad with little effort

[olive raven]

knives are beautiful

[gray ice]

go away eastern spy

[misty raven]

Knives are there for your own ego boost. Makes me feel like a gamer

[gray ice]

spread your propaganda elsewhere

[glass steeple]

xdddddd

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-throwing-axe-axe-cwl-throw-gif-4715742

[olive raven]

Knives are fun, not as good as other blitzs but for a couple of my builds, they work

[gray ice]

360 no scope a knife one time and that's it, put them away

[ornate bone]

Tbf it feels good killing someone with the throwing knife

But they're just actual memes

[fading vale]

knives are for saving points to get other talents

[ornate bone]

But they're fun memes

So that's a positive

[pallid hemlock]

any situation where knives were adequate to get you out of trouble wasn't a real situation to begin with

[gray ice]

there's almost no talent I would want bad enough to use knives

[glass steeple]

knives are fun only on 2 and 3 diff... but at 4 are useless cause of the amount of armored enemies

[olive raven]

blaze away is max t3 yea

[glass steeple]

that's my newbie lukewarm take

[frozen glen]

knives are there to stockholm josho

[inner crane]

T4

[gray ice]

I would actually rather sacrifice something else than my blitz even if it's some dmg potential

[ornate bone]

You can troll teammates by 1shotting a burster :^)

I swear that knife zealot just used his knife to blow bursters up that way and kill us with it

Awful

[pallid hemlock]

dr pimple popper

[glass steeple]

xdddd

[pliant palm]

i find knifes to most fun cuz i don't require to refill them with grenade boxes(also cuz they are fun)

[gray ice]

more like any situation where knives get you out of is probably one you coulda avoided entirely by not having knives

I'm pouring on extra hate honestly

[pallid hemlock]

also true

[glass steeple]

how are those refilled my man???

[ornate bone]

They're super fun

And I think if you really want your flamer

You need them

[glass steeple]

i really dont know

[pallid hemlock]

they are great fun, granted

[ornate bone]

But you can just
Not use the flamer

[fading vale]

I honestly feel bad when I pick up ammo boxes to refill knives

[gray ice]

fun is about most of what I can give them

[ornate bone]

And thus not use the knife
Win win

[umbral kindle]

Ammo boxes or by killing specials/elites in melee

[glass steeple]

oh no....

[gray ice]

they should've given us exploding knives

[glass steeple]

hhahahaha

shit

[gray ice]

I'd use that

[ornate bone]

Honestly it did kinda fuck me up that knives were awful vs armored

[olive raven]

Yknow not bad hadron. not bad.

[glass steeple]

i've been E-spamming ammo crates

hahahaha

[ornate bone]

Kinda thought that that's their role the first time I saw it

[glass steeple]

no wonder players where complaining

[pliant palm]

i don't use the gun on my zealot 99% of the time cuz i don't have a gun i want yet,i just have a random one cuz its something to have when i need it

[quaint verge]

overpressured

[ornate bone]

Stun for saves
Fire for unarmored/low armor
Knives for crushers

I was mistaken

[fading vale]

oof

[pallid hemlock]

can't not go with stun

[ornate bone]

I just use the flame nade

[pallid hemlock]

also pilled because fire grenades were such a trip

[olive raven]

emperor just gave me t3 blaze so lucky me

[ornate bone]

But the stun is fantastic too

[pallid hemlock]

"uhh is this good fire or bad fire, I can't tell where it's overlapping"

[ornate bone]

Flame nades makes me not fear the dog waves too much

[glass steeple]

i feel bad now xddd

[fading vale]

I use a mod to turn the fire nades into goo

[ornate bone]

Just throw it at your feet and auto win that special wave

[ornate bone]

Ye it is pretty bad still

[pallid hemlock]

that is an incredibly cursed combination of words

[ornate bone]

Should've made zealot flames blue fire or something

Nag it's just orange

Bright orange

[quaint verge]

fire with chastise works too

[ornate bone]

Which takes a while to see it's safe fire because there's also regular red fire

[fading vale]

it just turns the floor effect into bonbon goo

[pallid hemlock]

the nurgle slime trail effect yes?

[ornate bone]

Yep
Love it too lol

[fading vale]

yeah

[pliant palm]

its this one

[glass steeple]

yeah... it took me a while untill i learned the correct hue of orange to step on

[ornate bone]

Honestly it's why I stopped using chorus and started using chastize 24/7

[quaint verge]

flashback of stan quotes

[pliant palm]

idk if its good but its smt for now

[ornate bone]

I can use it on my gun
And my nades

[pallid hemlock]

I also use flux, which complicates things

[ornate bone]

If you have fun it's all that matters

[pallid hemlock]

do tell

[ornate bone]

I'm just using a br auto that's close ranged focus atm

[gray ice]

fun was outlawed here

[pliant palm]

true

[quaint verge]

snail trailing in the kitchen

[ornate bone]

Trueee

[pallid hemlock]

cursed

[gray ice]

if it's not meta I'm reporting you to the inquisition obviously

[ornate bone]

😔

[quaint verge]

i would presume you know what snail trail is

[ornate bone]

Time to use combat axe flamer and knife next game

😔

[gray ice]

now excuse me while I use momentum/blaze away combat blade

[ornate bone]

Sorry
Tactical axe

[quaint verge]

and lets leave it at that

[ornate bone]

Is tac axe even good anymore

[pallid hemlock]

inquisitor

this one right here

[ornate bone]

Haven't touched it since release lol

[frozen glen]

how does one get blaze away combat blade

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

[ornate bone]

Very badly..?

[gray ice]

not that it was ever particularly good

[pallid hemlock]

tac axe isn't good but it's hella crispy

[ornate bone]

Ye that's what I thought

[gray ice]

question not the emperor's blessings

[pallid hemlock]

animations make it very satisfying to play, but damage numbers not so much

[ornate bone]

I wish the 1h chainsword did more vs maulers

Love using it

But it makes me feel like I'm hitting them with noodles even with a rev up

[gray ice]

have you tried revving it cuz that about does it for me

but I also run marty so

[ornate bone]

Ye

Must be why

Martyrdom probably helps breakpoints

I feel like I'm slightly inconveniencing them when I use it lul

[olive raven]

martyr helps every breakpoint

its martyr

aka braindead hours

[gray ice]

I definitely shred em, it didn't feel that bad on momentum either though, maybe I gotta use it more

[glass steeple]

so.. my curret experience with the Zealot be like:

be me, a zealot.
Face an horde of flak armored, shotgunners and trash mob.
Fling nades and dash the ranged enemies
get roasted by flamers and naders
try to run out of it
get staggered out of toughtness
die
Watch your team hunt for diamantine

[gray ice]

or just didn't notice

[pallid hemlock]

high speed low drag smoothbrain

[ornate bone]

I might give it another try for safety

[gray ice]

if you're dying to shotgunners and trash then yes, you definitely need to brush up on fundamentals

[frank night]

get flamed on reddit for not being baby leash distance from them at all times

missed a step

[gray ice]

I don't even slow down until the game starts throwing repeated specials at me trying to get me to slip up, and I'm pretty bad

[pallid hemlock]

assumed vets wanted to swap away from ranged weapons

[frank night]

true he is

[pallid hemlock]

that was your first mistake

[quaint verge]

less running, more dodging

[gray ice]

another glowing endorsement achieved

[ornate bone]

Remember the 5 D's
Dodge duck dip dive and dodge

[frozen glen]

hesitation is defeat

[quaint verge]

while holding block, to get a better location to deal with said horde

[ornate bone]

If you can dodge a wrench
You can dodge shotgunners np

[olive raven]

vin if my hair has any more knots in it im going to put legos in your shoes.

[glass steeple]

brother, dont take my take that seriously, i understad the basic, im just underhanding my take to get some advices from more experienced players

[gray ice]

if you approach my house you're leaving via the garbage collectors

[glass steeple]

yeah xdddd

[gray ice]

leave your personal problems for your other personality to deal with

[olive raven]

doubt, youd never hurt me

[royal vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1191144827094564915/image0.gif?ex=65a45f11&is=6591ea11&hm=28cb258f1aa7b8d2d3873c94011ac17960a877d000749c691a973d774ffe2b39&

[ornate bone]

Sadly nothing much you can do but get better decision making and have not shitty teammates lul

[frozen glen]

the police would be confused who to blame since youre both minorities

[ornate bone]

Tbf it'll get better once you're better

[olive raven]

damn.

[gray ice]

a third minority approaches

[ornate bone]

And you'll start soloing stuff np

[quaint verge]

dat me

[olive raven]

nah dw im an invisible minority

[gray ice]

we're officially at too many

too much diversity, get em outta here

[frank night]

you talk too much to be invisible

wordy mf

[olive raven]

God

damn

[inner crane]

get bad advice for shitty takes, brilliant

[glass steeple]

figured... im guessing i grew lazy with the Vet/psyker mindset

[olive raven]

mittins

[ornate bone]

You'll get it eventually

[gray ice]

this is only slightly correct

[olive raven]

WHAT

[ornate bone]

Zealot invulnerability isn't a get out of jail free card compared to vt2

[olive raven]

bitch i got a better vocab than you

[gray ice]

since more than two words a sentence makes her brain malfunction

[ornate bone]

It's a safety net for mistakes

[olive raven]

hey

thats

false

i can type

up to

[ornate bone]

But it means you shouldn't be in that situation if you can help it

[olive raven]

three words

[gray ice]

you're adorable

[royal vortex]

falfunction. its over vin

[olive raven]

(i write technical papers)

[gray ice]

that didn't happen you saw nothing

[royal vortex]

pay me

[quaint verge]

where guide

[gray ice]

25 shekels, best offer you're gonna get

[olive raven]

fuck you vin im sending your research papers i wrote to prove i can write

[royal vortex]

pins mf

[quaint verge]

where signature?

[royal vortex]

pog

[frank night]

fifteen whole words without a single press of the enter key

[steep flame]

All the character from guilty gear look fruity af

[frank night]

she gonna have to lie down for a bit

[quaint verge]

where pattens for said guide

[gray ice]

I didn't say you can't write, I said you don't have my vocabulary, which is demonstrably true

[royal vortex]

in the mind

[quaint verge]

demand money

[gray ice]

[quaint verge]

life good

[frank night]

supercalafragilisticespialadocius

[olive raven]

i literally have a good vocab wtf

in three languages

[glass steeple]

yeah, i'll have this in mind...

i have to admid i LEROY-JENKINS myself into spicy situations without previous considerations more often that i should

[olive raven]

@gray ice fuck you im going to bed

[frank night]

if ur getting toasted by flamers you probably went in with no room to maneuver

[olive raven]

nah i didnt even see this

[frank night]

unless the whole scenario is just a rando made up one

[quaint verge]

[ornate bone]

Happens
You'll get used to it

[frank night]

quoi

[pallid hemlock]

shit's like playing war thunder

[ornate bone]

There's times where that is actually the best play

[frank night]

is this a josho attempt at warding off me talking more

[gray ice]

sleep well wordless smith

[pallid hemlock]

you can play safe and play like you actually just have the one life

or you can furball and play your way out of the stupid decisions you made

[ornate bone]

But realizing when it's smart to yolo and when it's silly is the difference between going down or not going down

[olive raven]

wordless smith.

fuck you

[gray ice]

nonsense just always yolo

[glass steeple]

yeah, i feel you...

[gray ice]

then there are no situations where you can't yolo

[olive raven]

oh fuck i gotta go to the mall today

bleh

[gray ice]

the mall

are you 15 the fuck

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[olive raven]

i have to go buy piercing spray

[ornate bone]

Maybe they're just feeling
Mall-icious

[pallid hemlock]

if yolo doesn't work you didn't yolo hard enough

[olive raven]

and i often have to go there cuz idfk my sizes in womens clothing

i cant just order a triple xl like you vin

[gray ice]

vagabonds and hoodlums are found at malls

wait nvrmind that makes sense carry on

[glass steeple]

oh no... xdd

that hurts

[olive raven]

ty

[olive raven]

so true

[gray ice]

there's a lot of my beautiful self to go around gotta fit it all

[pallid hemlock]

used to pretend to be a psyker main

[olive raven]

babes a 3XL is a crop top on you

[pallid hemlock]

but after trying to write papers in the day

[quaint verge]

phat

[pallid hemlock]

brain too smooth to psyker

[frozen glen]

u sound like a grandpa talking about his experience in a mall in the 90s

[royal vortex]

what da hell

[gray ice]

im sorry what was that stick bug

the wind's blowing make sure you bring your weighted harness

[olive raven]

hey. i gained some weight.

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-right-doubt-press-x-to-doubt-gif-27480342

[royal vortex]

i downloaded slay the princess

i can't bring myself to boot up darktide after locking myself in the psykh for 3 days

[gray ice]

about the last time I went so, that tracks

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-struggling-fat-cat-funny-animals-pets-gif-17538802

[frozen glen]

ah yes the eldritch horror game

[quaint verge]

And tall

[pallid hemlock]

"prosperous"

[royal vortex]

also i saw throwing knife slander earlier

counterpoint

https://streamable.com/qta0u9

[frank night]

he is going to learn how to speak to women

[royal vortex]

when u have a weapon that is as bad as the new revolver

the throwing knives are legitimately just better

[frozen glen]

well josho

thats ur fault

[frank night]

redverse

[quaint verge]

The Dane food be like

[glass steeple]

i mean... in my very limited experience, i get enough mob agro to sustain the always YOLO mind set... but damm those teamates and their "get all plast Steel at all time" mindset...

[gray ice]

ah yes the classic "this one has holes in the sails instead of the bottom so it's a better boat"

[royal vortex]

i mean if ur evaluating a tknife as on par with a gun that's an issue with your mindset

[pallid hemlock]

holes make boat light = speed

[frank night]

sometimes you just get teammates who will not move forwards until every single poxwalker they can see has been killed

[lean lark]

maybe you suck at headshots

[royal vortex]

another thing is that survivalist actually kneecaps the value of tknives

[olive raven]

my farmor force fed me eel, speck and bread.

[royal vortex]

if it didn't excuse the significant boost to ammo economy it provides would like

[olive raven]

listen

[royal vortex]

actually do something

[olive raven]

my fiances scale is broken rn

[quaint verge]

good farmor

[pallid hemlock]

speck will definitely bulk you up

[olive raven]

so i cant get a measurement

it fucking just says

"Lo"

[olive raven]

its also so fucking hard to chew

i stg

worst way to cook meat

[royal vortex]

i will intuit where my crosshair gets thrown when i experience a modicum of suppression from a single gunner

[ornate bone]

New revolver is so bad

[frozen glen]

wat da hell is speck

[ornate bone]

Was expecting it to be decent

😔

[royal vortex]

i will calculate the random spread ahead of time

[ornate bone]

Betrayed

[royal vortex]

this gun has the potential to be so cool

[lean lark]

it is cool

[ornate bone]

It's cool
Not good

[royal vortex]

like almost nobody is gonna hit 5 headshots on 5 different guys on your screen in a second

[gray ice]

@olive raven Go head and take this to bed with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HihM1vKWRcA

[royal vortex]

but it should be possible

and its not

[ornate bone]

Honestly tho if they gave it penetration it'll probably be better

[lean lark]

it is good

[ornate bone]

The fact it fuckin stops cos a random scab can tank it with his face

Is pretty disgusting though

[pallid hemlock]

yeah it's not great as a cold cut

[glass steeple]

they rendered a bolt-revolver for Rennick...

No bolt-revolver to the players...

[lean lark]

well yeah thats why it has the fan option and speedload

[gray ice]

gotdamn, you so light the scale is just calling you lo-calorie at this point

[lean lark]

you sacrifice cleave for faster attack and reload time

[glass steeple]

just a regular ass revolver

[pallid hemlock]

nah it's not a bolt revolver

[royal vortex]

i wouldn't care about the penetration if it had recoil you could control to actually hit the guy your crosshair is on rather than the wall behind him

[pallid hemlock]

it's just an engraved one

zero tactical advantage

[olive raven]

this god awful dish

i fucking hate speck

its like willingly making a well done steak

[ornate bone]

Hey now
It's accurate to irl

[olive raven]

i-

[royal vortex]

because in like conceptual design

[ornate bone]

Cos if you fan it you won't hit shit either Kappa

[royal vortex]

current revolver likes columns of guys

[ornate bone]

But ye I get it
It's such a bleh weapon

[royal vortex]

so this one

[pallid hemlock]

new revolver is a great range toy

[royal vortex]

should like rows of em

[pallid hemlock]

make bang noises and be happy

[royal vortex]

like if i have 5 gunners lined up shoulder to shoulder

[ornate bone]

Legit could've used a regular revolver and did way better in half as many shots

[olive raven]

@gray ice fuck u mister break the scale at the doctors

[royal vortex]

new revolver should be the gun i want

[gray ice]

yea uh huh sure you're getting a new role tho

[ornate bone]

This is why I just use the br auto

[royal vortex]

also zealot needs a conditional suppression immunity talent

[sharp zodiac]

Was never a fan of the fanning the hammer esque weapons but it was fun

[lean lark]

this sounds like a skill issue to me

idk man

i do just fine with the revolver

[royal vortex]

lmao

such valuable commentary

[fading timber]

truth hurts doesnt it

[royal vortex]

the last game i played i top ranged damage with it

which was pretty funny

[fading timber]

then why are you complaining about it

[ornate bone]

Rewatching the video @royal vortex
You actually hit like 4 or 5 shots too lol

[royal vortex]

but it was like unbearably bad cuz i couldve got the same damage with half the ammo picked up on a brauto

[ornate bone]

It's just a really quirky weapon

[royal vortex]

the problem is i can't tell what i hit lmfao

[lean lark]

thats pretty weird given the brauto has like 10x the revolvers ammo

i wonder why you'd have the same damage with half ammo spent

[royal vortex]

i had a lot of times where my crosshair was on an elite

i would shoot

red hit marker

"oh i killed him"

look at killfeed

not there

[lean lark]

the revolver is pinpoint accurate but doesnt have a crosshair

[royal vortex]

what the fuck are u on about lmfao

[strange kestrel]

Hi

What is the argument

[ornate bone]

New revolver sucks / doesn't suck you're just bad

[sharp zodiac]

Revolver

[gray ice]

custody of the new revolver child

between two of our clients

[royal vortex]

i sincerely hope u arent serious because a lot of this reads like deliberate bait

[strange kestrel]

Its good just worse than zarona

[raven swan]

Feels like Cheeting and no effort

[strange kestrel]

But viable

[ornate bone]

I think it's hot garbage personally

Especially when the new laspistol is fantastic

[strange kestrel]

I mean its just a fun weapon

[royal vortex]

it's very cool

the fan is funny

[ornate bone]

Oh ye it's very fun

But so is the flamer

[royal vortex]

it's also like 4-5 bullets for a dreg rager if you get unlucky

[frozen glen]

he is chester cheeting all over those ragers

[strange kestrel]

It can put in some work with crucian roulette but thats about it

[royal vortex]

compared to 1-2

[ornate bone]

But still pretty bad at wat I want it to do

[strange kestrel]

I just use the zarona

[lean lark]

your only point for saying the revolver is bad is "suppression is bad!!!! give me immunity NOW." and it being inaccurate

[spare dome]

new rev just helped confirm that old rev is fucking disgustingly overtuned right now

[strange kestrel]

It is

[ornate bone]

I don't think the new revolver is even good for what it does

[royal vortex]

"your only point is"

2 separate points

[ornate bone]

Just outclassed by other guns

In every way
Even by the old revolver

Except in reloading because doy

[spare dome]

oh now we baitin

[frozen ibex]

Man couldn't handle the SPEED

[sharp zodiac]

Walley West

[fading timber]

Both of those issues can be handled with better play

[ornate bone]

Old revolver is definitely op

[frozen ibex]

Bleed knife just too op.

[ornate bone]

But then the bolter sucks too so

Lol

[royal vortex]

i mean fundamentally if you're like "just don't fan and slow down your shots" thats what the old revolver does

[sharp zodiac]

Nevermind I hope your family has a nice Christmas but a deer enters your home and you can't get rid of it till January 18

[royal vortex]

because suppression isn't like a skill thing it's a like the enemy exists thing

and the spread is legitimately something you can't control outside of some vet talents and dance of death which is fairly conditional

if you're only shooting your gun when dance of death is active i have a hell of a lot of respect for you but im not doing it

[frozen ibex]

[fading timber]

To each their own i guess, What you said really doesnt bother my aiming

[royal vortex]

but see "it works for me" isn't a point so i think im done

[fading timber]

k

[frozen ibex]

Bleed knife works for me.

[ornate bone]

Tbf
Even if he got better
Doesn't stop the new revolver from sucking

[olive raven]

Wow i hate you

[ornate bone]

Again
From the video he landed maybe 4 of the 6 shots

[spare dome]

i dont need revolver anymore anyway

not when i have throwing knives

[ornate bone]

Would've expected it to do better vs 3-4 ragers lul

[gray ice]

must be opposite day

[spare dome]

which seem fucking bottomless

[ornate bone]

When the throwing knives look good next to it

Seems like an actual weapon issue

[olive raven]

WHAT

[royal vortex]

it takes like 3x the ammo to kill an enemy compared to old revolver and it only has like 1.5x more

which reasonably revolver needs to stop fkin doming 2 ragers in 1 shot

[spare dome]

yea new revolver has one niche

unyielding damage

[ornate bone]

Old revolver was overtuned tbf

But-

Ye

[royal vortex]

new revolver needs to be like rdr2 deadeye mode

[olive raven]

@gray ice fuck u, big mf

[ornate bone]

I dunno seems like its niche is just kinda trashy overall
Definitely way underpowered

[royal vortex]

legitimately if i can just one-tap 5 gunners in a line consistently im happy

[ornate bone]

Might as well run shredder pistol

[sharp zodiac]

What are the bleed blessings you chose

[ornate bone]

[spare dome]

cant even one tap 5 shooters with new revolver consistently sadly

[frozen ibex]

Either double bleed, or uncanny+lacerate on zealot.

[royal vortex]

😔

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/mauricio-peoples-elbow-the-rock-cio-mau-gif-27377282

[spare dome]

let alone gunners

[ornate bone]

I think tho it'd be fine if it actually had penetration too

[royal vortex]

i almost turned healthbars on with new revolver just to see wtf i was actually hitting

[ornate bone]

But nah it only penetrates once vs unarmored I think?

And that's it

[sharp zodiac]

Lesser evil

You have been spared from the wrath of my Ford 150

[royal vortex]

it penetrates a groaner

i believe

[spare dome]

yes one groaner

[ornate bone]

Yeah only unarmored

[sharp zodiac]

But only because of uncanny

[spare dome]

It has the same cleave as throwing knife

[frozen ibex]

Double bleed blessings legit good though.

[ornate bone]

Anything higher is just

[gray ice]

gonna start seeing dmg numbers from random boxes and small rats

[ornate bone]

Lool

Funny weapon

[lean lark]

i dont even run suppressioni immunity on vet

[ornate bone]

Fatshark was probably scared that the old revolver would be as good as the new one

[lean lark]

the new revolver is good

did i say its the best? no. i said its good

[ornate bone]

But they severely nerf bat the new one to the point it's niche

[royal vortex]

i mean ur playing vet

[spare dome]

why giant black square

[royal vortex]

any gun is good on vet

[glass steeple]

wich revolver?

i need it

[spare dome]

you hiding your hacks

[glass steeple]

looks super dope

[lean lark]

thats not the point

[ornate bone]

I don't even think it's good
Can't see a world where I'd pick it at any point

[sharp zodiac]

To each their own really if you like it I won't stop ya from using it

[olive raven]

Yea right like you’d be able to jump, Jupiter gravity havin ass

[royal vortex]

and i mean that is the same shooting pace as the old revolver with less cleave

[umbral kindle]

New revolver is surprisingly accurate it just has an awful crosshair (I changed it with mods)

[frozen ibex]

Thank you. ❤️

[spare dome]

this is the big thing tbh

[royal vortex]

yea but ur doing it on vet with the marksman's focus keystone active which does kind of make it the point because i was talking about zealot which doesn't get to buff ranged through the stratosphere

[spare dome]

like if you arent taking advantage of new revs fire rate, then what's the point?

[royal vortex]

legitimately

[opal crescent]

Hi friends, I could use some advice if that's alright. 🙂 (and sorry to interrupt the current discussion)

https://i.imgur.com/XFcAAgw.png

I already know I need to swap the wrath for deathblow, so my question is do I swap sprint effciency for flak armoured enemies or maniac damage? I haven't used heavy sword before so I don't know what to prioritize.

[spare dome]

less damage and cleave so you can yeehaw harder?

[royal vortex]

it doesn't have to be easy or anything but it should be possible

[lean lark]

what

[spare dome]

i still think the gun is fun as fuck but it does not genuinely fulfill a niche

[lean lark]

i dont see suppression immunity or anything else that would allow me to aim more precisely

[umbral kindle]

Eh, ammo?

[pallid hemlock]

it struggles more with flak than it does maniac at baseline (check the damage table)

[frozen ibex]

See if you can 1 shot heavy 1 mutie.

If not maniac imo.

[opal crescent]

thanks! appreciate it. :>

[gray ice]

I don't think every gun has to fulfill a niche or have a specific purpose. There can be some stuff that's just a fun addition that can be good or decent

[pallid hemlock]

being selfish in war also has a good point though

[royal vortex]

basically the argument so far is "with more effort, on the class that does better with range, i can outdo pub players"

[spare dome]

oh well this is all just further proof

[ornate bone]

I agree.

[opal crescent]

yeah, i'll go try it out rn!

[royal vortex]

and again you're not actually doing the fan thing

[pallid hemlock]

my roll was fortunate enough to hit that one shot breakpoint on a mutant

[frozen ibex]

Very easy to do when it's charging head on toward you. Crouch and heavy 1 its face.

[ornate bone]

But it's also why I think it just is way too mid

[royal vortex]

so it's like you can do the same thing on old revolver

[olive raven]

Maniac, it’ll hit rager and mutie breakpoints

[ornate bone]

Apart from being cool I can't see myself picking it

[royal vortex]

without involving shit like crouch resetting to get the accuracy back

[umbral kindle]

New revolver is def more of a vet gun because they need the ammo boost if they're gonna run it as their primary weapon

[spare dome]

that any weapon discussion in darktide is just a circular debate avoiding the real debate of needing to nerf the og revolver lol

[ornate bone]

Unlikely to see it changed until there's a replacement anywya

Just like the release bolter

[pallid hemlock]

mine's hard stuck on specialists and flak, thankfully it hits the one shot with a bit of help from the talent tree

[opal crescent]

thank you! ♥

[ornate bone]

Altho I don't even think the revolver is half the problem it seems to be compared to the plasma gun

[spare dome]

Plasma is at least class unique

[royal vortex]

the plasma gun was a case of them throwing numbers at a wall

in a really funny way

[ornate bone]

True

[pallid hemlock]

and fully stacked with Headtaker flak lets it oneshot both types of ragers

[spare dome]

Revolver is a problem on three classes

Same way Shredder used to be a problem

[royal vortex]

every design choice they make is tailored to making the right click as useless as possible

[frozen ibex]

Then yeah no need for maniac if you can 1 shot mutie.

[spare dome]

The ubiquity make it worse imo

[frozen ibex]

I'm talking about no headtaker breakpoint.

[pallid hemlock]

fair

[ornate bone]

Fair point

[spare dome]

But ya plasma needs adjustment

[frozen ibex]

My sword can 1 shot mutie without any buff.

[pallid hemlock]

first time I tested it I was going "wot"

[frozen ibex]

I do have 25% maniac and high damage roll though.

[royal vortex]

give it a swap time three times longer than the bolter

[ornate bone]

Honestly I'm just waiting for the long las

[gray ice]

I mean maybe i'm just not getting those games, but I don't see revolver all that often really

[ornate bone]

Give me long las pls

[spare dome]

i mean, x stance yknow

[pallid hemlock]

long las scope gonna be oppressive

[gray ice]

It got reigned in some with the hand cannon nerf

[fading vale]

no.

[spare dome]

at higher level i think most players got bored of revolver

[pallid hemlock]

zoom in on the poxie's pimple

[misty raven]

Lol no it didnt

[ornate bone]

I see it in all the games
But then again I also use it a lot lol

[spare dome]

because people were playing it nonstop on three classes

but revolver remains fucking ridiculous

[royal vortex]

the less vets using shout the better inshallah

[ornate bone]

But I've just moved to the br auto for zealot

[royal vortex]

return to the sharpshooter meta

[fading vale]

revolver is just so damn strong it got boring yeah

[royal vortex]

i want them to put unwavering focus back in for a week

[spare dome]

graia brauto is a good time

i have been enjoying bolter too tbh

[lean lark]

sorry but idk where you're pulling this argument out. im saying the new revolver is good and that suppression and its cleave issue doesnt make it shit, because the suppression and cleave can be taken care of. the cleave can be taken care of by simply aiming better, the suppression can be handled unless for some reason you're shooting 80m far enemies with it.
calling it shit is an overexaggeration, calling it anything above good is an overexaggeration too

[olive raven]

Nope

[misty raven]

Feel stupid for sleeping on agri brauto for so long. Have 1 w/o any dmg blessings and it still rips

[gray ice]

I mean yes it still needs work, but it definitely did receive a nerf. I'm saying it's a step

[ornate bone]

Same
I have one with ghost and close range kills

So now I just yolo shooters

[fading vale]

the new revolver is uh just not good, it's worse than basically any other weapon you would think about using

[royal vortex]

yeah and none of this is a point because it isn't true. like suppression isn't something you skill through, you swap to melee and just kill the guy a different way

[frank night]

i have begun to right click

reject the pills

[violet hornet]

I feel like hc nerf brought the average quick play lobby down from 3 revolvers per match to 1 at least

[ornate bone]

Plus the fact that chastise+ agripinna can kill a crusher

chef kiss

[fading vale]

hand cannon nerf changed literally nothing

[pallid hemlock]

agripinaa, the space-k

[royal vortex]

the cleave thing also doesn't make sense because if you're taking longer to shoot then you're entering territory where its worse than literally any other gun that can handle a single bruiser standing between you and the target

[fading vale]

nor did the cara nerf

[royal vortex]

which is most of the guns in the game

[gray ice]

I for sure have seen it less post-nerf than I did pre.

[ornate bone]

Personally I think we just need more weapons

[spare dome]

throwing knife supremacy

[frank night]

any line written as a nerf would reduce the amount of a gun in pub play

because people see 'nerf'

[ornate bone]

Revolver being strong is an issue because there's no alternatives other than plasma gun

[spare dome]

give me more knives to throe

[frank night]

and then they throw it out like an xmas puppy

[pallid hemlock]

bolt pistol when

[royal vortex]

but because of the low magsize and the damage that swings wildly depending on if you crit/headshot/etc (with a much less reliable way of critting/headshotting) it will be a real problem

you can do good with anything

[misty raven]

Bolter variants obviously

[royal vortex]

that isn't a benchmark

[frank night]

benchmarjk

[royal vortex]

i could topscore in pubs with the old dclaw

it did not mean it was a good weapon

[ornate bone]

The dumbest part is that fatshark had a fencing sword and pistol in vt2

[frank night]

vt3 when

[ornate bone]

But doesn't want to give us bolt pistol + chainsword combo

Big cringe

[royal vortex]

it is essentially an irrelevant point because that isn't what's being discussed. you will get suppressed. the inaccuracy will cause you to miss shots. can you mitigate it? yeah. is it going to happen? also yes

[pallid hemlock]

VT2 with slides

that's basically gonna be VT3

[royal vortex]

going "oh but i can do it in the psykh in very easy conditions" is the lowest bar to possibly clear

[fading vale]

sounds like saying gunner resist is bad

[royal vortex]

and im happy for you

[frank night]

give me elf sliding

give me dwarf slayer sliding towards a ratling gun

[olive raven]

Revolver still does all the same shit it did before

2-3 tap crushers

[frank night]

why arent you ASLEEP

[olive raven]

1 tap literally everything else

[olive raven]

is 10:20am am not eepy

[royal vortex]

yeah, and this is my 3 hour moral grandstand on block efficiency and why you should stop dogpiling me holy moly

[ornate bone]

I'm not bothered
But then again I was a BH main and BH crossbows could 1 tap most stuff

[fading vale]

lmao

[ornate bone]

So I'm biased

[spare dome]

all my curios are 3x block efficiency

just block

[royal vortex]

i respect "off-meta" curio choices. do what u want

[ornate bone]

Mine are all stamina +3

[spare dome]

nothing else

[ornate bone]

I have unlimited shoves

[royal vortex]

one of the last times i said "toughness regeneration speed is bad" some guy started trying to pull out auric maelstrom winrates on me

it's not worth my time

[ornate bone]

Psyker with +9 stamina
Feelsgood

[fading vale]

bro I have 800 hours on my kit and you want to question me?

[frank night]

revive speed lassie meta

[royal vortex]

like i don't care. i will give you my opinion and then the moment anyone challenges me im going to pretend like they aren't in the room at this point

[frank night]

timmy is stuck down the well

[spare dome]

use whatever curio you want ill never know what your build is anyway and i dont care yea

rare is the times i will even press Tab to check my teams weapons

[royal vortex]

more sprint efficiencies

[ornate bone]

By that logic +3 stamina is king because I win 80%+ on auric Maelstrom with it

[next flare]

Calm down please. You guys are close to violating TOS

[olive raven]

This happened to me last night

The horrors

[fading vale]

the hell was that comment about

[ornate bone]

Mathtide is always funny

[frank night]

they're coming to get you lazorr

[olive raven]

Bro fuckin what

[royal vortex]

i am always close to violating TOS

[ornate bone]

But it also matters so much less other than killing breakpoints

[next flare]

I love that comment😂😂😂

[olive raven]

Ngl I think Vin and I are the only two mfs who’ve nearly broken tos

[misty raven]

No math. Only vibes. Dmg resist? K sounds good. Regen speed? K sounds good.

[olive raven]

(Literally everyone has broken)

[ornate bone]

Exactly

[pallid hemlock]

vibehammer 40k

[royal vortex]

i respect it

honestly

[ornate bone]

Especially since it's not damage+ increases on trinkets anyway

[olive raven]

^^^

[ornate bone]

If this was damage increases like in vt2 I'd pay attention

[frank night]

the darktide server is where you go to treat your weird build set up like your actual child

[olive raven]

It’s how my fiancé plays. Damage? Good. Impact? Sounds good.

[fading vale]

anyways, I don't care if people wanna run dumb shit it's just they always get so damn defensive and self righteous and start to try and spread misinformation about what it actually does cause they don't understand it, that's the actual issue

[ornate bone]

But TOUGHNESS REGEN?
TOUGHNESS INCREASE?

[gray ice]

I mean where exactly should revolver fall in you guys' opinions? Is the issue that it can 1 shot everything and also 2-3 tap crushers?

[frank night]

it will NOT be criticsed

[spare dome]

Just don't fucking run wounds

[misty raven]

Be honest. None of the curios you are running are what makes or breaks your runs. They are nice bonuses

[ornate bone]

Just don't get hit 5head

[frank night]

NEVER

[ornate bone]

[frank night]

the revolver should be sent back to hell

[ornate bone]

Pretty much

[frozen ibex]

3x toughness regen

[frank night]

I want the weird revolver posters back from when it was bad

[royal vortex]

it shouldn't be one-shotting two ragers. it needs its anti-elite capabilties tuned down a fair bit

[pallid hemlock]

neglect them and try and live the dreams you set aside vicariously?

[olive raven]

Tbh the only way to nerf revolver properly is nerf surgical or nerf the base crit bonus

[royal vortex]

but the problem is

[gray ice]

I'm chillin. I have done nothing

[royal vortex]

it has surgical/hand cannon

[olive raven]

That or reduce cleave

[fading vale]

I mean it's just the best at everything and has no downsides

[misty raven]

Only builds that legitimately care about your curio setup is wound zealot and deadshot vets

[olive raven]

I mean

[gray ice]

Well the downside is the small capacity and relatively low reload speed comparative to other weapons

[fading vale]

everything but horde clear anyhow

[olive raven]

For revolver it’s

Nerf the cleave or nerf surgical.

That’s my opinion

[royal vortex]

the blessings carry the weapon

[ornate bone]

Builds on weapons matter tbf

[fading vale]

surgical is dumb

[frozen glen]

get bomber resist on ur curios so u can have a nice sauna while killing

[ornate bone]

But that's it

[olive raven]

One bullet for one rager, ok fair.

One bullet for two ragers, not so fair.

[ornate bone]

Trinkets are just a bonus

[fading vale]

this rarely ever matters

you can reload bullets all the time

[royal vortex]

this would be more of an issue if you couldn't just dispatch the problem in 1 bullet when other guns take considerably more

[misty raven]

I think revolver should take its full mag to kill a crusher

[spare dome]

I'm pretty sure the issue is that the revolver was already one shot headshotting every special in the game and then they decided to give it another 100 base damage and 50% finesse

[violet hornet]

I think letting it keep good headshot damage on armored targets makes sense but I have a hard time imagining an ogryn legit dying from two or three tiny revolver bullets to the body

[royal vortex]

yeah lmfao

p13 was like, damn this revolver is good

and then patch 14 fs was like

"so we heard the revolver was underperforming"

[spare dome]

lmao

to this day a mystery to me

[ornate bone]

They need to help people who can't aim

[gray ice]

Well this rarely matters for really good players like you and josho and debatably me, but I've seen people get shit on for improper timing or bad management, so while negligible when actively played around that isn't always reflective of everyone else

[ornate bone]

And are stuck on Malice tbf :^)

[pallid hemlock]

underperforming because mfs didn't aim

[fading vale]

now I can one shot every single elite except ogryns and maulers and multiple of them with bullet magnetism with the fastest swap time

[pallid hemlock]

ffs

also the hit box is about as generous as Destiny 2

[ornate bone]

Gotta remember that a significant part of complaints come from people with legit skill issue

[spare dome]

also i dont buy the long reload argument

[gray ice]

this is just be playing devils advocate btw, I'm seeing opinions here

[ornate bone]

And they're both the loudest and biggest group

[spare dome]

when one bullet can kill three elites, all you need is one

[ornate bone]

Just look at how many people still think "more noobs queue auric"

this is why I lose

[gray ice]

It was basically like this before and everyone hated it though

[royal vortex]

i mean i play with ppl with significantly less experience in the game than me and theyre also like "damn this revolver is super easy and does a ton of damage"

[frank night]

reject the revolver

embrace the glue

[fading vale]

give stan a revolver and it's his best weapon by far

[spare dome]

i embraced bolter just to be different

[gray ice]

lol

[royal vortex]

same with ren lmao

[spare dome]

and i kinda love it now

[ornate bone]

True hipster

[royal vortex]

idc about the bullet magnetism tbh

that's whatever

separate can of worms

[ornate bone]

But honestly if the reload didn't take 300 years I'd use it too

[olive raven]

Even when I was literal floor polish, I had time to reload.

[ornate bone]

Actually not even the reload

[spare dome]

its not so bad, it's staged reloads after all

[fading vale]

well, the bullet magnetism also makes it easy to get multiple cleave kills

[ornate bone]

The pull out ( ha ) is atrocious

[ember yew]

swap speed ye

[ornate bone]

Gonna be paying a lot of child support with it

[spare dome]

and pull out is side stepped with one sharpboi tossed out

[royal vortex]

i think you tune down the surgical bullshit and then kinda see where the weapon stands

[misty raven]

Bolter and agri brauto are my favorite guns on zealot atm. But I do lean to only wanting to run bolter while a surv vet is in the party so I can mag dump more

[royal vortex]

because i dont think im smart enough to tell you exactly what to do with a weapon to make it balanced

[ornate bone]

Agri br auto is all I use for zealot nowadays

[fading vale]

crit on demand should not be a thing

[ornate bone]

No think
Only run and gun

I should try the graia on him too

[violet hornet]

Yeah I see a lot of people shooting every possible target with revolvers and either running themselves out of ammo or simply having no plan b when they're rushed by the crusher squad

[ornate bone]

Probably be funnier

[olive raven]

I’d say that surgical should like cap at giving revolver an 80% crit chance

[fading vale]

like at this point the revolvers numbers are just crit only numbers

[olive raven]

So giving it 60% more crit

[royal vortex]

yea

and revo has other crit blessings

i would tune surgical down and maybe point blank/crucian up a bit

[fading vale]

that are absolutely terrible in comparison

[gray ice]

yea

[ornate bone]

What's funny is that a lot of revolver issues can be solves with slide dodging or using weapon specialist

[violet hornet]

Making crits more rare and impactful would be interesting imo

[gray ice]

Like I don't think it's a weapon problem, when based on blessings it's an entirely different weapon