zealot-class

[golden anchor]

Yea, i run BP with crusher so it crits a lot

[coarse birch]

maybe revo is the exception

[royal vortex]

im waiting for them to nerf crit cdr before i use blazing piety

i dont want to get a taste of the chastise spam brainrot

unless u want to throw a knife at a dreg rager

and ur melee doesn't have +maniac

[golden anchor]

Says the columnus user

[royal vortex]

lmfao

but yea on my current build i have to swap to my brauto to one-shot a dreg rager with a knife hs

[frozen glen]

or u can just not take the cdr node and simply have the one talent thats specifically for hounds

[coarse birch]

hey columnus brauto

its like just as stupid but cooler

[royal vortex]

i actually really dislike the agri now because i refuse to install the constantfov mod

[frosty herald]

I like graia

[royal vortex]

and the brace zooms in

[golden anchor]

Link crit cdr with having to take a 2nd melee weapon and give up your ranged slot

[coarse birch]

i also just used agri forever back when it was the only good brauto

[royal vortex]

if you told me before patch 14

[coarse birch]

so its nice to use something else

[royal vortex]

my favorite loadout would be crusher/columnus brauto

i would smack u

but here i am

[golden anchor]

That would actually be a buff for me lol

[frosty herald]

How fast is agri with the celery stim

[ornate bone]

christoffer columnus

[north sedge]

it would be very funny to specifically not take crit cdr and make a video about your crazy insane build with some dumb name like "Ultra Crusher 9000" or something

[golden anchor]

Crusher eviscerator loadout pls

[royal vortex]

crusher with mk3 knife would be sick

[ripe quest]

wdym, his video is wacky so I am urged to say it is.

[golden anchor]

Honestly though crusher cdr isnt really that brainrot

All you get is your horde clear buffed a bit

[frozen glen]

hey I never saw myself liking and getting good with the knife after rashad brainoffing for 900 hours but here we are

[polar nexus]

i mean we don't have a zealonomicon or a psyker atheanumthing

[north sedge]

even if it existed

[golden anchor]

Since most of your ults are dumped into the horde with the horizontals anyways

[ripe quest]

Psyker has a multitude of guides up on Steam made by reputable players.

[polar nexus]

a place ton consolidate knowledge in a digestible way

[frosty herald]

Red

[north sedge]

these videos would happen

[frosty herald]

Are you clutching with knife

[polar nexus]

i only know of the one made by pygex

[frozen glen]

if I am it's not my fault my teammates are dead

[ripe quest]

That's one of them yeah

[solar gorge]

Ogrynchads have you covered (for ogryn)

[coarse birch]

vins making a guide im p sure

[north sedge]

unfortunately zealots are lazy

[coarse birch]

although i think its for blessings and perks

[royal vortex]

i think a couple ppl have tried and so far failed at making a comprehensive zealot guide

[north sedge]

and we prefer to force people to make spite videos about bleed knife

[ripe quest]

A problem is that a lot of the people here equipped to make a guide also just don't want to put in the effort to make an unbiased one since it requires some tedious work

[solar gorge]

my guide would be shit because it would just be : play good

[golden anchor]

Zealots are pretty flexible so a guide would be naturally long lol

[modest quiver]

It's partly down because there's so much personal preference

[polar nexus]

Lazealots

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt mind making a guide but im not quite confident enough in the super obscure things in this game

[royal vortex]

also ogryn gets it really easy because the talent tree is incredibly simple and almost every weapon is designed so that a toddler can use it

like the class isn't hard to figure out

[ornate bone]

Okay so the video guy spends 52 minutes talking about the zealot tree

And the comment that was screenshotted leads me to believe he's an idiot

[golden anchor]

Spam heavy, everything bleeds, protct tinies, smash eretics

[ornate bone]

And Josh saying he's an idiot leads me to believe he's an idiot

[polar nexus]

yeah, the unbiased part is probably the hardest

[ripe quest]

I think the best option is to make a bunch of mini resources to enable people to understand Zealot's kit, what you can do and the pros and cons of it.

[golden anchor]

Ogryn is my i win button after the 15th beer lol

[polar nexus]

He dismissed twbs like... don't get hit bro

[ornate bone]

I was right on the edge of starting to write a zealot tree guide

[north sedge]

it took me about 3 minutes on patch day to stumble (mostly) into crab's deranged rumbler suggestion, i was off by like 2 nodes or something

[ornate bone]

But then I alt-tabbed back into the game and saw my psyker

And was like "man, fuck zealot"

[golden anchor]

I only have twbs on my chainaxe but i dont like it lol

[royal vortex]

if something interests me like the crusher does i might make another guide

[golden anchor]

Twbs is nice but not necessarily must have if you're used to it

[coarse birch]

also is anyone on DT i am bored of playing with randos

[ripe quest]

yee stuff like that is cool. If we get enough we should just make like, a ToC spreadsheet that sorts and links all of them or smth

[coarse birch]

yeah TWBS is just super QOL

esp if you hate stagger

[frank night]

I can get away with sliding towards most machine gun emplacements on my ass

[coarse birch]

which liike

[royal vortex]

i think there was 1 attempt at making a comprehensive guide by people i personally think are capable of doing it but that fizzled out

[coarse birch]

is most people

[royal vortex]

but now the meta has properly settled

and presumably will for a while

i dread the day they fuck with stagger thresholds and i have to redo that stuff

[frank night]

I have slid towards so many gunmen on my ass that I am probably going to get killed trying it irl if ww3 ever happens

[ornate bone]

I mean, if you guys are up for it I wouldn't mind getting into a voice chat or something so we can talk how to make shit work

I'm pretty decent at formatting and Josh seems to be as well

[frosty herald]

Suddenly 5 new variants and 3 new weapons for each class

[ripe quest]

@gray ice I got a request buddy, gonna need you to do all of this for free. You'll go down in ZelChat pin history

[golden anchor]

Honestly a weapon guide is the best way to go

[ornate bone]

I mean, shit, I studied HTML and CSS for like 3 months straight

[modest quiver]

BJJ vs assault rifle

[frank night]

the problem with a comprehensive thing for not-ogryn is that there's like 5x the shit to go over

[solar gorge]

slide is this game's strongest movement option

[golden anchor]

Zealots build around weapon selection anyways

[ornate bone]

If I can't format something I should get fucked

[frank night]

and the ogryns managed to be wordy about their weapon set

[royal vortex]

i think the easiest way to go about it is to cover objective stuff first

[solar gorge]

weapon bloat is real for human classes

[royal vortex]

the main thing i wanted to help with as far as the potential guide was concerned was the obscure talent things

[gray ice]

Ai needs a reboot

[solar gorge]

lot's of garbage

[ornate bone]

For reference, this is my one and only guide https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2259264307

[royal vortex]

or unclear fatshark tooltips

[gray ice]

He's outside his mind right now

[golden anchor]

Well, there are always spicy takes

[coarse birch]

yeah listing shit like TWBS applying to ranged

will be important

[royal vortex]

swift certainty, twbs, etc

[frozen glen]

the zealot adhd procrastination kicking in everytime a single sliver of motivation for a guide appears

[golden anchor]

I dont understand the heavy sword fascination people have lol

[solar gorge]

it's a good weapon

simple to use

[gray ice]

I am also not capable of a guide of that detail

[golden anchor]

I think its because its braindead horde clear and most people prioritize that

[coarse birch]

or that martyrdom being just missing HP and not corrupted wounds

[frank night]

the other problem is that a comprehensive thing is a big undertaking which raises the risk of fatshark dropping a patch and obsoleting a large chunk of it

[coarse birch]

cause some people dont know that im p sure

[gray ice]

Josho's way smarter than me in this regard make him and Laz do it

[royal vortex]

the crusher guide was written. there is hope for us all

[solar gorge]

I mean to be entirely honest, no weapon in dt is hard to use

at least to me

doesn't feel like there's any

[golden anchor]

I think ability to deal with mixed hordes is a much better indicator of how good a weapon is, which is why crusher sits alone in s+ tier for me lol

[onyx solar]

It's hard to use the plasma rifle because it's boring

[north sedge]

alright bisho, now make a marty achlys guide

[royal vortex]

dude

unironically

achlys fucks

[frozen glen]

you cannot possibly spread this effort equally into the 5 million other things that zealot has josho

[coarse birch]

TRUE

achlys goated

[frozen glen]

not even with the efforts of zelchat combined

[visual stream]

What does the term mixed hordes mean? As in elites/specials mixed into the hordes?

[royal vortex]

i dont use it. but it fucks

[mental coral]

Maybe a giant compendium of each weapon

[royal vortex]

if you started pinging in your replies i could

[mental coral]

But dunno

[frozen glen]

u don't either

[ripe quest]

chad GPT dw

https://tenor.com/view/plauge-be-upon-ye-gif-27019320

[golden anchor]

Yea, bulwarks + ragers + maybe a crusher mixed in with chaff

[north sedge]

make stan do a guide with no proofreading

[golden anchor]

Heavy sword aint dealing with that

[royal vortex]

how to seduce a mauler (or twenty)

[visual stream]

Makes cents

[solar gorge]

earn your rations and kill

[modest quiver]

correct me if I'm wrong but if fighting multiple ragers, just back paddle and las pistol them in the face?

[mental coral]

Why mauler when crusher

[frank night]

HAM GLAZR (and other evening meals)

[royal vortex]

HAM GLADE

[golden anchor]

Boot up vt2, find chaos patrol... GRIMNIRRRRR

[cunning bison]

wtf is this guy saying

[visual stream]

I'll make a comprehensive Ironhelm guide once I do some more testing

[cunning bison]

is he high

[royal vortex]

p much

[frozen glen]

letting stan make a guide and proofreading it would be harder than making a complete zealot guide

[coarse birch]

ngl hsword deals with ragers extremely well

[royal vortex]

can u still just chastise with a mk9 and kill 4 scab ragers

[frozen glen]

the greatest enigma of the century

[coarse birch]

yes

[frozen glen]

a whole stan paragraph

[coarse birch]

think its 5

actually

[north sedge]

no proofreading, just thrown out as is

[ripe quest]

Handles small elites and bruisers pretty well.

[polar nexus]

i think we don't get a guide

[ripe quest]

It's just a simple crowd mulcher

[royal vortex]

srry last time i used hsword was when p13 came out

[mental coral]

Stan probably could write something rly well if he proof reads tbh

[solar gorge]

ironhelm doesn't warrant a guide when compared to crucis i think it's the weapon i see people using the worst

[royal vortex]

and i was abusing braindead marty

[mental coral]

He’s an English teacher

[frank night]

I don't think you can proof read something paragraph sized from Stan

[mental coral]

His entire job is proof reading high school essays

[north sedge]

the mk15 evisc obsession is the one that confuses me, it's a fine weapon, very boring

[coarse birch]

josho dont you hate martyr

[royal vortex]

i did

[polar nexus]

being mechanically good > being meta-nically good

[royal vortex]

but i went through a phase where i was sampling all the braindead overpowered stuff before it got tuned down and then they didn't tune down marty(?)

[polar nexus]

just run whatever and find what you like

[royal vortex]

at this point im p sick of the blatantly overpowered weapons

[polar nexus]

like telopots or chocob

[coarse birch]

yeah same

the top end is just

stupid

and has been forever

[golden anchor]

Mk15 can beat up bulwarks solo without having to wait for an attack which is nice

[ornate bone]

guys. chainaxe yes or no? especially compared to the eviscerator

[frozen glen]

yes

[coarse birch]

yes

[polar nexus]

yes

[modest quiver]

personal pref

[golden anchor]

Yes, chainaxe is good

[mental coral]

I can’t stand it’s horde clear but it does the damage

And it does it well

[ripe quest]

Does single target better most of the time. Though, Mk XV Evis has higher Unyielding ST than the Mk XII Chaxe has.

[vocal pulsar]

chaxe is good

[solar gorge]

new chaxe is good but the hordeclear

you could fall asleep

[coarse birch]

mkxii chaxe does better cara though

which is the tradeoff

well better cara thanks to thrust

really

[ripe quest]

It does better at anything other than Unyielding yee

[golden anchor]

Most hordeclear is brain off repeat combos lol

[ripe quest]

It has the best Flak boss damage in the game

Or at least for Zealot

[coarse birch]

yeah new chaxe hordeclear is actually just m1

[ripe quest]

My passion has led me to have faith in it's capacity

[coarse birch]

spam it

[golden anchor]

Chainaxe horde clear is perfectly fine

[solar gorge]

slow af

light spam

[coarse birch]

its fine horde clear esp with momentum

but yeah its just lights

[raven swan]

I remember when Chastice and Flamer was a thing

[coarse birch]

old chaxe has more of a pattern

[ripe quest]

Mk XII's is a bit slow with clearing but the Mk IV is decent.

[coarse birch]

with better clear

[north sedge]

was?

[golden anchor]

Mk4 feels better, mk12 just makes me want to play rashad lol

[solar gorge]

old chaxe is more interesting for hordeclear but new chaxe has the funny crusher one shot

[ripe quest]

I mean, IV's is just heavies with occasional CC provided by the PA.

[frozen glen]

they nerfed the flamer remember

[solar gorge]

i love crusher one shots

[ripe quest]

Both can 1 shot Crushers

[golden anchor]

I think old chaxe is slightly better overall

[ripe quest]

I think the Mk IV can even do it raw with a specc'd Chaxe but I haven't checked in a while

[solar gorge]

sorry i should've specified that i wasn't talking about in the hands of a zealot

[golden anchor]

Easier to bully crushers with too

[vocal pulsar]

old chaxe can one shot crusher without chastise?

[ripe quest]

yee

absolutely

[golden anchor]

Not crushers, bulwarks

I meant

[vocal pulsar]

with slaughterer up, im presuming

[north sedge]

needs a couple buffs going, but not much

[solar gorge]

but it need talents

[vocal pulsar]

if so, then that doesnt count for me

[ripe quest]

Headtaker Thrust and some talents up

[north sedge]

not even fully stacked

[solar gorge]

new chaxe can crusher one shot with nothing but thrust

[golden anchor]

Meh, thats like saying rashad sucks without having bromentum

[ripe quest]

iirc Cara and Elites meets it raw but I need to test it again since I didn't really write any of it down

[frozen glen]

go make a chaxe guide

little chaxe guy

[golden anchor]

Swing buzzsaw, make it go brrrr

[ripe quest]

I'm not making a weapon guide on a Khorne weapon it's literally just do whatever makes them bleed the most

[golden anchor]

Theres the guide

[solar gorge]

no ammo pickup melee only maelstrom

time to play darktid

[golden anchor]

You mean easy mode vanguard

[solar gorge]

I GOT AN OPEN MIC XBOX UISER LESGO

[golden anchor]

Think that was the vt2 modifier lol

[solar gorge]

super rare

it's like a shiny

[modest quiver]

Does he come with a holo foil?

yes!

don't bend the corners

[north sedge]

me and mankar had one that vaped everytime he died

which was alot

[vocal pulsar]

that was epic

[viral hare]

salvageable or no?

(i already have handcannon 4 on the old revolver)

[polar nexus]

i would rip it to have it available at all time

[unborn heart]

anyone got any tips for hitting the Abhor the Mutant penance? I'm strugglin

[polar nexus]

otherwise you can go crucian + handcannon, surgical is not really a thing on the mk14

as for the perks, something has to become flak

probably groaners

[hushed knoll]

ALMOST TIME FOR MAYONNAISE CHICKEN

[viral hare]

wha

[ripe quest]

I am excited to see the mayo encrusted chicken

[hushed knoll]

ME TOO

[blazing fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-chase-chicken-gif-7890537

obligatory OG chicken gif

[hushed knoll]

IT’S COMING SOON

[unborn heart]

i can't get the timing :(

[frank night]

its kinda weird

its one of those penances where I'd just ignore it cos you'll eventually get it through regular play

[unborn heart]

it's such a specific thing though

[frank night]

my source is that I got it like two matches after I forced myself to stop caring

[unborn heart]

what weapon did ya get it with? i might be causing myself ttrouble

[frank night]

fwiw I think I was using the antax combat axe

[ripe quest]

iirc you have to kill them without impacting them with the charge itself

some weird bug

[frank night]

but any high damage weapon that doesnt require much setup should do

I eventually just randomly got it cos I whacked a mutie that grabbed a vet after the vet shot it a bit on its charge

[unborn heart]

been tryin with the second thunderhammer since i can oneshot em with a charge heavy

[solar gorge]

5 stacks of headtaker tho

[frank night]

thunder hammer will work for it but wouldn't be my fav

[ripe quest]

I'm pretty confident you don't need all 5 stacks

Vet has a shitload of passive damage buffs

[solar gorge]

then why did you showcase a moment where you have all 5 stacks

[humble tangle]

would these stats be good for a stealth zealot?

or should i go for less pen and more first target

im going backstab stuff

[ripe quest]

Because I am not gonna pinpoint the exact amount needed, just wanted to show the Mk IV can do a 1 shot

[north sedge]

mobility is the dump stat

[dense field]

Look for more first target and less mobility

[solar gorge]

yeah but we were saying it can't do it with just thrust+cara

[humble tangle]

but fast

[north sedge]

doesn't matter

[coarse birch]

yeah you want mobility and FT swapped

knife is locked into dodges

[humble tangle]

i see

so what does mobility do?

[coarse birch]

whether you have 75 mobility or 2

[dense field]

Also, try stealth combat axe instead of gimping yourself with a knife

[coarse birch]

p sure just sprint effic

on knife

[still quartz]

[coarse birch]

you can inspect and see

[humble tangle]

i didnt like any of the axes

and i love the mobility

like being able to dash around and through crowds

[dense field]

do you enjoy winning games?

[coarse birch]

ok knife isnt that bad

but yeah its mid tier

for a lot of effort

[humble tangle]

i have been

[ripe quest]

You said the Mk XII can 1 shot Crushers, that you like the funny 1 shots. I said it's possible on the Mk IV, then you said you weren't talking about in the hands of a Zealot.

I was just showing it's possible

[coarse birch]

did you take an specific talents

[dense field]

Then prepare to put a lot of hours into mastering the knife

[coarse birch]

out of curiosity

[ripe quest]

With that vid yee

[dense field]

It's not an easy weapon to handle

[ripe quest]

I'm currently dwindling down what's needed

[coarse birch]

i didnt see any proc but i dont think like weakspot one will show up

[golden anchor]

Knife is for fun and when u get bored lol

[coarse birch]

no its for arguing about in zealot chat

[visual stream]

Knife bad

Will not elaborate

[golden anchor]

Throwing a chair in a bar room basically

Knife bad

[royal vortex]

knife... knife

[dense field]

Knife bad

[mental coral]

Pinged Josho but Josho is deadge so was wondering if the thammer damage was capped against twins or did I dream that up

[north sedge]

knife is for getting angry then a month later making a youtube video to spite people over a civil discussion about a bleed blessing 😔

[solar gorge]

ik it was possible but i did say that it was specifically about the new chaxe needing nothing but thurst you just didn't see it i think

[dense field]

I want it to be good

[north sedge]

twins have dmg caps on hp, doesnt matter what you're running

they got bleed for the emperor

[craggy maple]

Thanks

[coarse birch]

yeah p sure they dip

after x damage

[frosty herald]

They have a hard cap

[royal vortex]

i did not get a ping

[frosty herald]

You wont even do damage if theyre staggered or fallen down

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-agreed-hmm-gif-27306034

[visual stream]

Knife players significantly lack any "smart fella" particles within the composition of their biology, inversely heavily opting into a composition of "fart smella" particles

[ripe quest]

With a shitload of talents you can do it with a plain +elites Thrust chaxe

[dense field]

+30% weakspot

[humble tangle]

is this better then?

[dense field]

Yes

[solar gorge]

you need 80% mobility

[dense field]

It's almost perfect

[solar gorge]

so you can run fast and trigger all the map

[frosty herald]

It will be bricked

Ruthless backstab lacerate

[ripe quest]

Without it the Crusher is left with 64 hp

[royal vortex]

based honestly. damage aura is king

[polar nexus]

looks a lot like my keystoneless chaxe

[polar nexus]

oh it's the grenade nodes i was reffering to

like, why no tinkerer?

[dense field]

Might be a good idea to use focus target then

[royal vortex]

o lol

[ripe quest]

It's not an actual build

[mental coral]

tinkerer is only for boss damage with krak right?

since it one shots normally without tinkerer?

[dense field]

yes

[ripe quest]

I put 0 thought in anything above the ult nodes

[polar nexus]

well, it works

[visual stream]

This guy gets it

[dense field]

might as well use the krak grenades instead

[polar nexus]

i am doing it differently on the right side because i take stam delay but everything in your build works

[ripe quest]

I'm not like, trying to sell this as a build I'm just putting what I used to hit the minimum for a headtaker-less Chaxe.

[rustic lagoon]

Just reached Lv 30, and after some careful adjustments, I made my final Maniac build.

[polar nexus]

anyone using focus here?

[north sedge]

focus fire on vet?

[mental coral]

Out of curiosity btw does anyone know how to increase the ammo efficiency of plasma gun? I run out of ammo semi often and idk if it’s just because I’m pew pewing too much

[golden anchor]

Id rather dumpstat damage since im running double bleed blessings on dagger anyways /s

[frosty herald]

Mal uses unwavering

[north sedge]

dont charge shot unless there's like 16 crushers

[rustic lagoon]

And I might've gotten a better Mk XV Eviscerator than the one I had.

[dense field]

Don't worry about it, I like what you did

[royal vortex]

plasma is p ammo hungry

[mental coral]

But the funny 100 cleave smh

[polar nexus]

because i read on vet chat the meta is not pinging big targets to get the max dmg but more like pinging everything so that you get a constant added dmg

[mental coral]

But no I’m left clicking normally so was just wondering

[north sedge]

left click has a fuck ton of cleave too

[mental coral]

Cuz I still find myself going into the red

[north sedge]

you don't need it unless there's 600 crushers

[ripe quest]

That sounds so unbelieveably cringe

[north sedge]

you dont have to ping everything

[unborn heart]

YOOO got the abhor the mutie done

[mental coral]

I’m psure that is meta no?

[north sedge]

just ping within 10 seconds of last tag kill

[golden anchor]

WHC looking at veteran being sad

[north sedge]

you only need big stacks for bosses

[ripe quest]

Ah, that sounds less unbelievably cringe.

[mental coral]

But yeah I spam ping anyways so I end up doing that naturally

[ripe quest]

I thought that "meta" was what led to the m1 ping people

[north sedge]

no

i've never seen that actually on a vet

it's usually some fucking asshole knife zealot that mankar witnessed me get really annoyed with, while i was literally on focus fire vet

[north sedge]

to the point where i stopped pinging enemies and pinged everywhere enemies weren't

[cerulean moth]

Math yap yap

Just hit things

[polar nexus]

that's horrible, makes my ears bleed

[north sedge]

it's not wrong, you just don't need to spam ping

[mental coral]

I normally spam ping as a way of communicating cuz randos are oblivious

[unborn heart]

ogryn moment

[north sedge]

just within 10 seconds, a tagged enemy needs to die

[mental coral]

So when there’s a crusher pack walking towards them it’s just

Ping ping ping ping ping

Which typically gets their attention one way or another

[polar nexus]

i ping a lot when i am down so that they don't go into a trap to rez me

[north sedge]

yea shit like that is when i tell the pinger that i will kill less enemies every spam ping

[unborn heart]

i try to ping whatever downs me

[mental coral]

I also ping to help with aiming cuz no mods n all that and pinging is a good way of finding targets through a horde and fire

So uh

Yeah

😅

[celest basin]

quick Q: how impactull is Finesse boost from shroudfield when using Evi mk15?

[polar nexus]

i want to throw a toast to people pinging snipers

[golden anchor]

Ping for free wallhacks

[polar nexus]

not everybody does that but it's always appreciated

[vocal pulsar]

dont use shroudfield with chain weapons

it is bugged

it doesnt give full damage

[dense field]

The bonus only works for the fist tick of damage

[ripe quest]

It's the same as Fury, just ult after you land the hit

[mental coral]

Could you do that with shroud?

[celest basin]

Gotcha, thanks

[mental coral]

Where you ult, land the hit, and then stealth?

[ripe quest]

It's technically bugged with Fury as well but people still use it

You rev, land hit, after the first tick you ult

[north sedge]

didn't they make it so you can't shroud during a rev attack in the last patch

[ripe quest]

I'll check

[mental coral]

I don’t run shroud besides knife so idk

[polar nexus]

they fixed the shroud bug

[ripe quest]

oh it slips wtf

nvm then

[polar nexus]

it slips?

[dense field]

Oh really?

Might be good then

[north sedge]

it cancels the rev

[dense field]

oh

[polar nexus]

the one where you could sprint ult to shroud for free

[north sedge]

we're not talking about that

talking about chain weapon interaction

[polar nexus]

i was talking about what they did last patch

i don't remember them doing something about that specific interaction

[mental coral]

I will say it is kinda weird because with the chastise ult thing you can basically get 2 buffed hits right

[north sedge]

no, you either get the first hit or the saw dmg

[coarse birch]

yeah

[hushed knoll]

@royal vortex @north sedge @fading vale ITS HERE

[mental coral]

Rly? Is it a visual but then

[coarse birch]

theres 2 points you can do it at

[polar nexus]

????

[ripe quest]

Yee you get a proper increased damage hit and then a followup free crit.

[mental coral]

Cuz I’ve had it where I activate it after for the saw damage but it still had the charge effect n all that

[north sedge]

is there breading on that or something

[coarse birch]

its mayo

[celest basin]

I’m asking because I understand how finesse works on weapons with that stat, but how’s finesse works on weapon like Evi?

[coarse birch]

if im understanding correctly

maybe mayo and breading

[coarse birch]

^

[ripe quest]

The finesse stat and finesse damage increases are different

[coarse birch]

cool TY

[ripe quest]

On a weapon the finesse stat has it's own thing, you can check what it does by inspecting it. Finesse damage increases buff the weapon's Weakspot, Critical, and Critical Weakspot damage.

[frosty herald]

What is that

[polar nexus]

chicken mayo?

[ripe quest]

There's also a finesse multiplier that each weapon has and iirc the multi can vary with certain attacks.

[mental coral]

So I’m assuming his question is how good is the base finesse multiplier on the new eviscerator

[hushed knoll]

It’s mayonnaise encrusted chicken

[frosty herald]

Uhu

[mental coral]

Since that will determine if the finesse multiplier of shroud is worth using no?

[ripe quest]

So with something like Evis, it has a fairly average finesse multiplier. Finesse increases on it are going to be scaled down because of it.

iirc the rev H1's critical weakspot multi is like 1.45x

[mental coral]

Tho I’m assuming even if eviscerator had a high finesse multiplier you wouldn’t run shroud cuz of how it interacts with the special heavy?

[coarse birch]

evis has pretty unimpressive crits too

yeah shroud chainweapons would be odd

to use

[polar nexus]

ninja with chainsaws

that's a concept

[celest basin]

I’ve tried that and was fun on normal damnation 😅

[north sedge]

"what's that brring sound behind me, ahh must just be some landscapers" "dude we're in a fucking hive city" "fuck."

[ripe quest]

For chain weapons afaik Shroudfield just gives you a guaranteed crit and the stealth

[celest basin]

Gotcha, thank you ☺️

[true mantle]

@royal vortex Awesome guide! Best crusher guide by the best darktide player! Concise, detailed, but not a long read. 10/10

[hushed knoll]

Here’s the drippings

[royal vortex]

(i promise i didn't pay him)

[true mantle]

What a helpful Henri

[north sedge]

secretion santa still visiting your household i see

[hushed knoll]

I want to take the wrack off and eat it with a spoon

[true mantle]

LOLOLOL

[north sedge]

🤔

[royal vortex]

secretion santa's most pustulant droppings, only for stan

[hushed knoll]

Ew stop

[royal vortex]

blessed with His waste

[north sedge]

it's a real coom bake in there

[true mantle]

Cooking with Nurgle was filmed in front of a live audience.

[north sedge]

formely live

[royal vortex]

they all killed themselves when they were denied a taste of secretion santa's mayonnaise chicken

[mental coral]

Secretion Santa

That’s a new one

[frozen glen]

no no no no no no

no

[frozen glen]

that is disgusting

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[ripe quest]

The mayo fell of the chicken stan

[granite minnow]

What's the poison damage stat on that food?

[north sedge]

so is this like basting with butter but using mayo instead or what

[ripe quest]

@royal vortex I left a request on your latest preem guide

[north sedge]

beautiful

[polar nexus]

there's no hot takes in josho's guide

[south folio]

i spotted a mistake

[hushed knoll]

It’s a masterpiece

[visual stream]

GLORIOUS

[lusty turtle]

today was WHAT

[north sedge]

lol

i guess you missed that last week

there's always next year for your visit from secretion santa

[lusty turtle]

i was in hoptal last week

[ripe quest]

I just looked through all the images Stan has posted and I'm crying

[north sedge]

lol

[ripe quest]

How much fuckin mac n cheese have you smothered in ketchup @hushed knoll

[north sedge]

lol

[north sedge]

ah well then maybe secretion santa will make an exception and visit you late

[solar gorge]

shinji style

[royal vortex]

suffer

[queen tangle]

Heya. I was wondring if we could take a lil sec to check and talk about the "Martyrdom" (+8% Melee Damage for each missing Wound, up to a maximum of 7 missing Wounds.)

To keep it simple, we're gonna talk if we're playing with 3x Curios which have +1 Wound (+3 Wounds) and we're also using the "Faith's Fortitude" (+2 Wounds).
This puts us on 3 (Base Zealot) + 3 + 2 = 8 Total Wounds (7 technically because you need one to live, of course).

But, then we're also playing on either Heresy or Damnation difficulty (-1 Wound)
So, we're running a build now which has 7 Wounds avalible (6 technically which will have effect, y'know)

There are 2 different types of talents we can chose which are additions to the keystone. These are;

• "I Shall Not Fall" (Martyrdom grants +5 Toughness Damage Reduction per missing Wound.)
  &
• "Maniac" (Martyrdom grants +4% Attack Speed per missing Wound.)

So my first question surrounding this is, are they really worth it?
In total when we're left at 1 Wound we'll have a total of +48% Melee Damage, +30% Toughness Damage Reduction & +24% Attack Speed.

To be honest, the passives are great additions, but when you take in an account for what you're giving up to gain them, it's not really worth it, MAYBE? (That's what I wanna try and hear from ya'll)
On Auric Damnation IMO we don't really wanna be laying on 1 wound, even tho we get the additional buffs, but it's quite risky.

• +30% Toughness Reduction is quite nice, but to only have 1 small wound of HP left which it protects, it starts feeling like it's not really worth it.
• +24% Attack Speed is quite nice also, but is it really enough to make a difference? For me, i'm playing using mainly the Evis, but I can't say that I feel super reliant on the extra boost. If we add the talent; "Faithful Frenzy" (+10% Melee Attack Speed) to the mix, that helps out a bit and either makes it +34% Attack Speed or +26.4% Attack Speed (I don't know how FatShark adds to their buffs)

[fleet zealot]

business

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom A) you kinda dont want to purposefully take damage outside of lower difficulties

you jsut let chip build up

and staying at 1-2 wounds is easy with restoring faith (25% of hp damage taken is healed over 5 seconds) and holy revenant

with the attack speed buff from martyrdom, the 10% from faithful frenzy and fury of the faithful (chastise) giving you 20% for 10 seconds after use

you hit this sweetspot of power where you can stat check a lot of things you normally couldn't

[queen tangle]

Yeah, Holy Revenant is quite solid. It has done a lot of work and helped from quite a lot of situations. And yes, don't really wanna be too low if I accidentally take chip damage from some pesky lil feller.

[fleet zealot]

it's about balance

[queen tangle]

Yuh

[fleet zealot]

you let chip damage build up and dont heal unless it's before a big section/finale/long wait before next med station, or if you have too much corruption

but with restoring faith and holy revenant, I sit at one wound now for the majority of games once i'm chipped down

bleed for the emperor also helps a ton

and can be reproc'd cause of restoring faith

[queen tangle]

It's a very solid buff you get for that lil time, but is it worth it to take the point? The Chastise and Faithful Frenzy already do a lot of work together, and they're pretty in the middle of the tree.

[fleet zealot]

attack speed is always useful

cause it also affects your animations

meaning you can go back and forth between blocking/pushing and your attacks way smoother

chain weapons shred faster

[queen tangle]

True, true. I've noticed that mainly my Heavy Attacks feel a bit better, what i'm saying is that it's not a crazy like super change having around +30% attack speed.

[fleet zealot]

there is no such thing as overkill

i think you need to really feel the gap

[frozen glen]

wasted dps

[fleet zealot]

go play veteran and pick a multiclass melee

then go play zealot with your attack speed buffs

night and day

[queen tangle]

But if i'm not wrong, you're saying that the Attack Speed from "Maniac" is worth it?

Even tho you don't really wanna gain the max boost because you don't wanna be at 1 wound

But what about the toughness damage reduction?

[abstract venture]

If I'm not breaking any rules by recommending a video to watch regarding martyrdom, since using the build I haven't wanted to play any other build or character it feels so strong at 2-3 wounds remaining with all my hit speed buffs

[fleet zealot]

if you want to start learning

dont sit at one wound

unless you are put there

stay at 2-3 wounds

and get comfortable

it is a very maniac, high risk high reward playstyle and dont feel pressured to dive right in the deep end first

[abstract venture]

Gotta keep in mind that 30% toughness damage reduction stacks with other perks to give 80% or more oughmess damage reduction

[humble tangle]

what stats do i want on the mk ix heavy sword?

[fleet zealot]

dump mobility and defenses

[queen tangle]

I mean, that's what I mainly do, and i've tried with or without the boosts from the keystone upgrades, but I personally don't feel like they're changing super much, which is why I want imput as I know there are a lot of situations that i personally have not been in.

[fleet zealot]

perks flak maniac

blessings headtaker+ either rampage or deathblow

[gray ice]

If you wanna know if TDR from Marty is worth it, when sitting at one wound I can face-tank a burster with just toughness

[fleet zealot]

rampage is fine but deathblow lets you kill 4 elites in one swing

[humble tangle]

this good?

[fleet zealot]

^

[gray ice]

It's pretty gross lol

[fleet zealot]

cleave targets a little low but im unsure how much that affects your dps

but for your first hsword, it would be great

pretty sure martyrdom build can tank a sniper shot

with just toughness

like old veteran used to

we need more investment of course

[humble tangle]

how about this then?

[fleet zealot]

that's near perfect,

[gray ice]

Pretty great

[fleet zealot]

may hadron not fuck you over

[abstract venture]

Very nice

[humble tangle]

idk what hadron is B)

[queen tangle]

It is very solid and can clutch the toughest of moments, but I myself don't foxus on those very specific moments. I focus more on the whole map and how effective the talent is through the whole way. Yes, it might save me in that tight spot 70% into the map, but during the rest of the run, has it really done anything`?

[abstract venture]

She's our worst enemy in darktide

[abstract venture]

^

[queen tangle]

But that also brings me into my second question.

The second question I got is if "Restoring Faith" (On taking Damage, heal 25% of that Damage. Occurs over 5s.) is worth it on your Martyrdom build.

This might seem like a simple answer because people might already have a take and call it a waste talent or a must have for some cases. The reason why I bring it up is because it can and HAS saved me quite a lot of times, even the small amount goes up and adds another Wound to my life, which downs me instead of killing me. THE REASON FOR THIS is another talent which is the; "Bleed for the Emperor" (Damage that would take your Health to the next Wound is reduced by 40%.)

That small piece of health that I gain from Restoring faith is enough to trigger the +40 Damage Reduction (And keep in mind, it's both health and toughness damage which gets reduced for those who don't know.)

The problem here tho, is even tho Restoring Faith is good those times, because of the Damage Reduction, it also makes it so that it heals TONS less. The +40% Damage Reduction makes it so that the 25% Damage Heal is quite minimal, almost non-existant.

So the burning question is. Is it still worth it? Or is it better to get another talent. Or is it better to take over Bleed for the Emperor? 🤔

[fleet zealot]

yes

you take both

their is a specific path to take both

and you can even drop some dps for twbs

[queen tangle]

You got a pic of the path?

Cuz I like both

[fleet zealot]

you can swap between stun or immo grenades

and you have 4 free points

you can go twbs, punishment, rising conviction

[abstract venture]

Briggso did a good build called criticallly "something"

[fleet zealot]

whatever you want

[queen tangle]

They've both helped me a bunch of times, but sometimes they work against eachother (in my opinion) as Emperor decreases Restoring's heal. But that +40% Damage Reduction is goated, i'd say

[abstract venture]

Believe there's 3 diff builds with slightly different trees

[atomic sparrow]

keep perks change both blessings?

[fleet zealot]

oh for sure

[abstract venture]

Using his critically perfected build feels 👌

[fleet zealot]

rampage +shred or whatever you want

idk who that content creator is

[atomic sparrow]

gotcha, now bakc to farming for Rampage Shred tier 4s

[abstract venture]

Until I found his zealot neither did i

[fleet zealot]

like i'll be straight honest even if I know my builds are now great/best, i'm not gonna say I critically perfected it, it was zealot chat

cause even I was a stupid moron once

using knife revolver

lacerate

[shy hull]

I do'nt understand why people don't use the +50% toughness dmg reduction for 4 sec on crit talent

it seems broken on paper no ?

[abstract venture]

With martyrdom damage reduction yes

Broken ash

[fleet zealot]

actually no

it's only toughness

and it's diminishing returns

[shy hull]

Yeah you only get half the value of the second one

[fleet zealot]

bleed for the emperor and the talent good balance are good cause they are damage reduction across the board

[shy hull]

staclking the two is kinda unnecessary

[fleet zealot]

but crit toughness DR si only used for crit builds

which go blazing piety

[abstract venture]

I wasn't aware of that

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom builds already get a ton of toughness DR, blazing provides none

[shy hull]

Blazing piety, eurk

[fleet zealot]

blazing abuse is great even if it sin't my cup of tea

[ripe quest]

If you have a consistent critrate and have it available it's nice.

[shy hull]

idk, the attack speed and damage from the other keystone feel way more valuable

[fleet zealot]

25% crit chance from blazing+ 30% from scourge+ your weapon

[shy hull]

you can alrerady get a ton of crits from zealot talents ands blessings

[fleet zealot]

blazing is only used for crit weapons that typicall have high finesse

a constant 25% crit boost because crits feed your fury meter (if you select the talent which you should always do)

[queen tangle]

What is rising conviction?

[fleet zealot]

uh right to the right of the 10% attack speed

the melee damage on dealing melee damage ramping buff

[ripe quest]

Depends on the weapon and the build being used a bit. Depending on the build you'd be sinking more points than normal grabbing Crit CDR's setup and also a non-BP keystone.

[royal vortex]

i fucking HATE gunners

[copper hawk]

Id make out w a gunner tbh

[vocal pulsar]

stan has a crush on maulers

you two are peas in a pod

[royal vortex]

wtf

[copper hawk]

Maulers r assholes

[crystal knot]

60% resistance to Gunners curios:

[copper hawk]

They're mean

U know

None of the traitors r nice 2 eachother

Id only make out w the scab gunners

They dont say mean thingz 2 others

The dreg ones call the others insolent worms

[north sedge]

it's all dom/sub play

[azure mortar]

multiplicative not additive

"It's not 3x20% damage resistance is actually I think 80% x 80% x 80% damage = 51.2% damage inflicted. So a total of 49% damage resistance rather than 60%"

IIRC

[crystal knot]

49% resistance to Gunners curios:

[late birch]

I run crit build for crusher and haven't had any issues tossing the trash out

[ripe quest]

@gray ice When looking at BPs how much do you consider BPs met after the first target?

[ornate bone]

Knife users when the strike is not canny

[ornate bone]

me when I strike

[misty ravine]

What is canny?

[autumn vector]

no... critivis works and peity isn't about damage, its about CDR for sure.

you dont always need massive finesse weapons to make it work

yes they tend to work better

But finesse isnt exactly required on the weapon as a main modifier

Some crit weapons like Rashad actually dont function as well as they otherwise could, or more speficially rashad doesnt because it tends to one shot stuff

it still works

Basically you have less crit buff uptime with rashad

so you get less ability cdr back

because you arent stacking bleed crits constantly

[minor sage]

that's why you gotta use lacerate

maximize scourge

[autumn vector]

ew

least tell me you are using uncanny with it

[minor sage]

I should actually try uncanny lacerate LOL

uncanny mercy killer is a bit inconsistent

[autumn vector]

its mid but it works

your bleeds scale with the rending

so even bleed knifers

who dont use uncanny

are hur dur

let me be clear if you use a knife and you dont have uncanny strike you are doing it wrong lol

[minor sage]

ye sadly uncanny is required

it's too overpowered rn

[autumn vector]

its like most weapons that require bromentum

[minor sage]

will prob get nerfed

[autumn vector]

Im not sure

but yea

It might

most weapons that can it should

[minor sage]

i think it'll get the HC treatement

[autumn vector]

besides I think some of the ~~powerswords ~~ force sword maybe?>

idk

i have uncanny dueling 4

i havnet force* sworded ina while

[minor sage]

probably nerfed to like 7-10 from 18-24

[unborn depot]

Elites is a bit sadge but what can you do

[ripe quest]

It's fairly annoying to use.

[minor sage]

i also havent seen haymaker 4 yet

whhich makes me sad

i wanna try haymaker knife gaming

[autumn vector]

haymaker is so frustratingly annoying

sometimes it works

and other times it

doesnt'

[ripe quest]

I hope they change the Mk VI to actually support Haymaker, would be cool

[minor sage]

50% of the time

[autumn vector]

it should build stacks instead of chance

[minor sage]

it works every time

[autumn vector]

like after x stacks it just kills something

resets

[ripe quest]

20% of the time it works once

[autumn vector]

You are really really screwing yourself

without the rank 4 as well

and even the rank 4 is just barely

[ripe quest]

idk about changing it, it's a stable blessing on Ogryn.

It's just knife isn't much compatable with it.

[autumn vector]

fair

they could just take the deathblow route

make knives have their own uncanny

errr

brain

haymaker

[minor sage]

I do think uncanny needs to be nerfed

[autumn vector]

having so many blessings that strech like this betweens class on the one hand makes things easy to understand on the flip sides creates weird balance situations

[minor sage]

so that backstab is more competitive tho

probably if they halve the numbers on it so it caps at 50-60%

[autumn vector]

I wouldn't be against uncanny nerfs but uh, they could just make backstab better

[minor sage]

well

[autumn vector]

I'm more of a fan of buffing shti things

nto that backstab is shit

[minor sage]

100% rending is already quite good

[autumn vector]

yea

Im not sure I would have to test it

and see but

even a 80% rending

might be better than backstab

maybe even 60%

[minor sage]

yar

that's why uncanny whacked to 50-60% is necessary

i think at that point it'll be a choice you make

[autumn vector]

it would go a ways to bring a lot of weapons inline without nerfing them

i dont want another boltor situation

[mystic ether]

Backstabs are fine with mk3. Hemlo?

[autumn vector]

where they nerf the weapon

and the blessing

[mystic ether]

Are people not getting their backstabs off consistently again :>

[autumn vector]

i have no idea, they finally fixed the weird infinite stealth bug so most the knife zealots kind of just flow flop around like dead fish because a staggering amount run bleed build still

[mystic ether]

I was just curious. I'm addicted to this weapon at the moment. Feels better than I expected to over time.

With darktides movement it's much more entertaining for me than shade kerillian with dual dags.

It'd be weird if combat knife got touched /shrug whatever I guess. But I suppose blessings getting changed would then just change how some weapons work in the future.

What's the issue with haymaker? It didn't feel terrible to use with riposte but I wasn't really able to tell if anything felt that much different besides pressing a button that I already make my own use of semi-regularly.

[copper hawk]

hate knife

hate hate hate

if u use knife

and i SEEZ U usin it

i'll CURZ u

a pox on ur kin..

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-wells-scott-pilgrim-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-gif-3808110186422610572

u knowe what

[modest rampart]

what about knife + chorus with crit cd reduction

[copper hawk]

i'll upgrade it 4 free

kith AND kin

[copper hawk]

PLS for the love of GLOOP

just use a CHAINSWORD

[spare dome]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2020206099

[copper hawk]

it swingz supah fast AND has finesse

PLZ PLZ

it actually killz hordez..

kyaaaaAAA

[modest rampart]

so do knives

[copper hawk]

awzom

corpse drag

i hate shooters

i hate them so much !!

[frosty herald]

Cica do you mew?

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-gif-2931910436802057855

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/f1-cry-about-it-woilem-gif-23090239

[fleet zealot]

do you even have to ask?

[frosty herald]

Yes

[fleet zealot]

chad gameplay

[ripe quest]

Poor cleave profile leads it to have a small effect on it's performance. Against fodder it's about the same performance as bleed, and with single target you can use the blessing slot to just 1-2 shot elites anyway.

[fleet zealot]

i bet my mewing ironically that cica mews unironically

haymaker is good on ogryn clubs

[frosty herald]

Cica irl

[fleet zealot]

that can jsut a whole section of horde

on knife it's a joke

[ripe quest]

On the Clubs you can actually cleave elites and occasionally do mini BM-esque obliterations

And in hordes you're often getting an extra 3-4 enemies per swing

[misty raven]

weeee

[frosty herald]

WHAT

[ripe quest]

hmmm interesting. So Mk XIIIg Chainsword's light spam is a tiny bit better than the Mk IV's, but the Mk IV's heavy attacks offer the best crowd damage for the weapon family. Might be another case where if people light spam the lights only, the Mk XIIIg is strictly a better option.

[ripe quest]

we call that chain surfing

speedrun tech

[frosty herald]

Explain

[ripe quest]

no

[frosty herald]

In caveman terms

[ripe quest]

when wheel turn, oogah go fast

[frosty herald]

I see

[ripe quest]

Chainsword killing 50 poxwalkers in 4 seconds will forever be funny to me

[shy hull]

What

[ripe quest]

Well, more like 5 ig

[shy hull]

ah yeah i guess it works better when they're this packed

[ripe quest]

This is indeed true.

[frosty herald]

New chainsword is def a combo weapon

[ripe quest]

How so?

[frosty herald]

The moveset

[ornate bone]

6 hits, that's uh

Almost 10 poxwalkers cleaved per hit

Cleft

[ripe quest]

From what I've seen of the XIIIg it's super basic with it's combos.

[ornate bone]

The zeeeg

[ripe quest]

I think the most complex thing on it is comboing into the H3

which is just 3 lights and a heavy

[tender moss]

hardcore darktide players if i was going middle path would i want to go left or right

[shy hull]

right & right are the most consistent in middle path

if you have a ranged weapon you use a lot, bottom left is good

but top left is absolute shit

[minor sage]

not super good due to the knifes inherent cleave and lack of cleave blessings

better off with chsword or dclaw

like he said

[frosty herald]

I have to pull out ol reliable again

[ripe quest]

Both on the left are for grounding when fighting ranged enemies. Voice of Terra has most of it's impact with something like a Brauto or IAG, Flamer has the best output for it but the timing on it is weird since kills aren't instant. Fortitude just buffs coherency regen, unless you're stacking TRS on your curios I recommend avoiding it.

[shy hull]

Savage sweep isn't great on new evisc

[frosty herald]

Meh its something

[ripe quest]

Some like the CC it offers.

[shy hull]

Extra cleave doesn't allow you to get extra damage

[frosty herald]

I could replace it with crit on special kill

[shy hull]

beause you're capped to 4 targets

[ripe quest]

Having 33 cleave will tame the shit out of a horde

[mystic ether]

remain upset. I'll do it, do mid to okay damage and pick you up after a clutch or two. ^^

[shy hull]

Honestly it's more of a problem than anything, having everyone on the floor makes it annoying to weakspot hit

[mystic ether]

Seems like it's just redundant at that point. Fair enough. I enjoyed playing with it either way.

I'll say that for some of my knives that aren't as nice as others, it helped push my damage up enough when I used it or at least noticed it working I guess for elites and stuff like that in hordes than making enough distance to set up a heavy or something.

considering it is a setup for a heavy

😛

[copper hawk]

Noh

[minor sage]

ye i think if haymaker let you ignore hit mass on enemies killed by it

that would make it significantly better

[copper hawk]

Do u mog

[ripe quest]

Lights don't floor fodder unless you have +impact from your talents.

[frosty herald]

Its over

[copper hawk]

[mystic ether]

Or just make the punch a little stronger on stagger versus certain classes of units

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-barrett-looksmaxxing-lookism-lookismnet-mogged-gif-813507538339033538

[minor sage]

club works pretty well cuz thrust gives you 60% cleave and it has decent natural cleave

[frosty herald]

O

[copper hawk]

He lookz like a homonculus

[mystic ether]

You're welcome to my support. 😄

[minor sage]

so whenever haymaker procs

it kills everything

[frosty herald]

ITS THE UHH ARROW GIRL

[minor sage]

knife kinda just gets stuck

on any enemy

that isn't a poxwalker

[copper hawk]

[mystic ether]

I'll still stab it.

fuck em.

[copper hawk]

[frosty herald]

Clothing brand

[mystic ether]

I'm only slightly lying

[ripe quest]

It's impact also carries over to elites and bruisers, in which you can cleave more to max out the target cap and also CC select enemies.

[mystic ether]

I'm a firm believer and user of the explosion tech.

The barrel tech if you will.

Poxhopping I'll call it.

[ripe quest]

I personally don't ever run it since I don't care about CC beyond like 15 cleave but I see why people want SS on the Mk XV.

[mystic ether]

It's been funny having people waiting for me to die on a clutch thinking I'm about to hard grief by bulldogging a pox.

But I'm actually just saying fuck it for my health and making space on the gamble.

[drowsy steppe]

4 TARGET DAMAGE CAP

!!!

[copper hawk]

Lmfao

[mystic ether]

I literally don't know how much damage that thing does lol it just hurts.

BUT

[ripe quest]

You will be turned into a meat cube.

[mystic ether]

For the space you can get with the explosion it's nice.

[drowsy steppe]

I will destroy you in game

🙂

[mystic ether]

It's why I take until death.

The only hp that matters is 0.

[ripe quest]

I'm an avid Lacerate/Flesh Tearer user, sorry pal but you're outclassed.

[drowsy steppe]

You're not special

Everyone runs flesh tearer laceratr

🙂

[mystic ether]

But do they do it with smoke grenades?

[frosty herald]

Ive seen only 1 vet use smokes

And it was useless

[mystic ether]

That's on them.

I'll say it with my chest: smoke is trash dope.

(still gonna use it when I want to though)

[copper hawk]

Dont fall in the pond

[copper hawk]

Datz just ur reflection !!

[ornate bone]

Smokes are good

It's just that people barely use it and people in general don't know how to use smoke grenades in games

[vocal pulsar]

smoke nades are a joke

[royal vortex]

they actually pair really well with crusher

i'll have you know

[vocal pulsar]

blind the team, dont even protect vs snipers

[copper hawk]

SHUT UP MANKAR

SHUT THE FUCK U0

[frozen glen]

add the smoke nades to the crusher guide

[copper hawk]

IR AN APISTATE

AGAINZT THE SNURCH OF SMOKE GRENAD

[ripe quest]

Oh yeah? Explain this buddy.

[copper hawk]

!!!

[frosty herald]

Smokes need to force enemy ai to stop shooting

[vocal pulsar]

Mankar can never be silenced

for i am a god

[royal vortex]

i have to add laspistol to the recommended weapons

but that is for another day

im going to let it marinate

i'll intentionally add typos every now and then

[ornate bone]

They already do that on the explosion and the shooters don't actually fire at you when they start firing

[north sedge]

Edit it so the first letter of each line spells out flesh tearer lacerate down the side

[royal vortex]

lmao

[mystic ether]

fuck that axe.

[frozen glen]

smoke nades are simply a tool for me to mog on the gunners

[mystic ether]

I'm mad

lmao

I fucking hate the atrox

And this bastard game keeps giving them to me.

[royal vortex]

i got t4 limbsplitter for it earlier from an emp gift

[mystic ether]

So I get forced into the casino between my vet and zealot.

[mystic ether]

Dang, that's so cool. Woah. (no smoke to you, fuck the atrox)

[royal vortex]

i dont even know why it has limbsplitter

it's a fast attack spam weapon

[dawn wharf]

Because the emp knew you needed the best blessing on the best weapon

[ornate bone]

Limbsplitter annoys me

[ornate bone]

It's not even on the next heavy or something, it's just a powered attack every X seconds

[frozen glen]

atleast it isnt old limbsplitter

[royal vortex]

pog stealth crit chain

[frozen glen]

literally a dps loss over base weapon

[royal vortex]

no that was old old limbsplitter

[frozen glen]

was it

[royal vortex]

they eventually buffed it to be +25%/-10%/-10%

[frozen glen]

goddammit im old old

[ripe quest]

I love getting +100% finesse for 4 bullets

[desert coral]

@royal vortex fantastic write up i am off to bonk!

[mystic ether]

Still gonna use it.

[royal vortex]

crush em

[frozen glen]

show them the indignity of heresy by crushing them 4(e) times

[royal vortex]

i can't wait for them to release a new crusher variant

so that i can write the crusher guide 2

[ripe quest]

@fading vale

[frozen glen]

new crusher variant is just gonna be old crusher

[ripe quest]

I can't wait for it to just be pre-buff Crusher with a moveset flip

yooo

[desert coral]

this is my bonk stick its about to go down

[autumn vector]

What are you like

[royal vortex]

i want them to make one with like

[autumn vector]

What is this

[royal vortex]

the h1 still being a strikedown

[autumn vector]

im in pain

[royal vortex]

but the l2 is an uppercut

[autumn vector]

the other ones were bad

but this one is

what is going on>?

[royal vortex]

very good

[autumn vector]

also is there new stuff on upcomming weapons/

I heard mumblings about some patch but

reddit is bad

[frozen glen]

i want one of the heavies to be a flipped push attack

[autumn vector]

i dont want to go there

[frozen glen]

uppercuts are cool

[royal vortex]

nah

fs is on vacation

[autumn vector]

yea

they come back in feb

[vocal pulsar]

Do you know when they come back

[autumn vector]

lol

[royal vortex]

they could straight up do a moveset flip a la dc7 vs dc4

[vocal pulsar]

Do you remember when they came back last year

[royal vortex]

i think catfish's bio said back in office jan 8th?

theyll be back by feb for sure

[autumn vector]

They were back in jan but

we didnt see much

till feb

[royal vortex]

not everyone probs has the same vacation times too so "back in office" could mean dif things for dif people