zealot-class

[coarse birch]

also i know what cara gets taken down to with chastise but what does flak/unyielding/unarmored get taken down to? Flak to unarmored?

[royal vortex]

to note

[floral ferry]

Dumb Q, is this spear crusher a mod?

[royal vortex]

that's like the fasest you can do l1-h2

[indigo quartz]

between that and the new vet shovel , I find myself frequenly asking what does zealot do well that is valuable and unique to zealot

[royal vortex]

i had a couple attempts where i queued into the l2

[ripe quest]

Cara to Flak, Flak to Unarmored. It doesn't affect other armor types.

[coarse birch]

ah ok

ty

[royal vortex]

because you can't properly tell unless u have the muscle memory down

or u wait until u see the crusher model at the left side of the screen

[coarse birch]

and does +damage affect this degradation or does something like +25 flak not apply

[royal vortex]

perks work the same as normal

[ripe quest]

It's the extended extended weapon customization mod. It's available in the modding discord in the showcase channel.

[coarse birch]

damn im surprised actually i figured that it would still be treated as cara by perks

[floral ferry]

ty ty

[royal vortex]

huh

[ripe quest]

If you hit a Flak enemy you get the +25% flak but the adm goes to unarmored

[royal vortex]

yea that

[ripe quest]

Same with Cara

[coarse birch]

ok still good then

[royal vortex]

i think my favorite part of writing the crusher guide

has been putting way more thought into hammerblow vs trauma

than any other man alive

[olive raven]

And what’s the verdict

[royal vortex]

the differences are marginal

[coarse birch]

oh josho i finally got a crusher

[royal vortex]

there's a couple of specific scenarios where hammerblow is better

[coarse birch]

after putting it off for a million years

[royal vortex]

wrogn one

https://streamable.com/aiuk8o

right one

you have to have hammerblow to stagger ragers with a push attack headshot

because it stacks off the push, trauma doesn't

hammerblow stacks off cleave, but pushing, chastising, or using an activated attack into hordes also stacks trauma to full

[bitter anvil]

Weapon Customization, made Guandao pole blade

[royal vortex]

pog

[north sedge]

You should make an intro like you're being spiteful towards people for questioning your blessing choice

[royal vortex]

TRUE

i scope creeped the guide and im including a section on ranged weapons

[ripe quest]

Turn into Crab

Like, which ranged weapons combo with Crusher?

[royal vortex]

yeah

which is to say all of them

technically

[royal vortex]

the crusher has no explicit weakness to fill

[coarse birch]

brautos are probably nice for quicker rager pack removal and whatnot

[ripe quest]

yee Crusher is super generalist, I think you'd just kinda lean slightly away from niche weapons but everything is on the table

[coarse birch]

assuming you run chastise

[royal vortex]

but the idea is

i don't want to be asked questions

i want to refer people to the guide and everything will be answered

[fleet zealot]

it's not

it's whole ass broccoli

and the bacon isn't even cooked properly

[north sedge]

Bisho

[royal vortex]

doiuhg

[north sedge]

where do babies come from?

[fading vale]

Hi Josiah could you please explain this part of your guide

[polar nexus]

https://youtu.be/q-kk6us30LM?si=IFrBVsT2yN7xEJZu. Well well let's go

[ripe quest]

Crusher Ranged Weapon Compatibility Guide:
Pick what you want if you ask me a question I delete the guide

[royal vortex]

the little crusher that flies through your window at night delivers em

[royal vortex]

isnt this jackass the guy who said rending is bad and then the thumbnail was an outdated rending explanation

[ripe quest]

That's just sad

[fleet zealot]

it's like they threw the bacon and broccoli into the fettucine sauce

the bacon isn't cooked or crisped at all

i had to pick out so much unrendered fat

[coarse birch]

hey its better than stans bacon

[fading vale]

lmao the first 20 seconds he calls the tree above stuns terrible and says it fucking sucks

[ripe quest]

yee the +critical damage Surgical/Crucian Revolver guy.

[fleet zealot]

and the noods are overcooked but that isn't a dealbreaker for me

[royal vortex]

also im ngl

the "tknives are really good if you're good at them" thing is overselling it

[coarse birch]

Ill take overcooked noodles over undercooked at leaat

[royal vortex]

they have a purpose. they fill it well. they don't have a particularly outsized impact on games

[coarse birch]

I do think they are good

[royal vortex]

i love them

[spare dome]

yeah but they look sick af in my montages

[royal vortex]

they are not fantastic

but u know what

[royal vortex]

if survivalist didn't exist

[coarse birch]

Also the difficulty of use with them is also overstated imo

[royal vortex]

i would shill for them even harder

because they are such a good boost to ammo economy

[coarse birch]

It took me like one game to get used to the arc at most practical ranges

[royal vortex]

90% of the shit you want to hit them with stands still anyways

[spare dome]

they are the only reason i can run bolter lol

[coarse birch]

Yeah stuff in this game isnt like sliding between cover

[royal vortex]

i've hit some impressive throws on moving targets but like

[ripe quest]

I need to resist the urge to put a giant wall of text on his video because he'll just delete it

[royal vortex]

fk me THEY'RE STATIONARY

90% of all flamers i kill are standing still shooting at me

[fleet zealot]

yee

[royal vortex]

same with gunners

etc

is not hard, u get used to the arc and u have most of the value

[coarse birch]

People be like "nice shot" im like bro he literally wasn't moving

I played siege for 1.2k hours i better not miss

[polar nexus]

Yep

[royal vortex]

ive had some sick headshots on trappers sprinting sideways which was cool

[frank night]

[royal vortex]

hi mittins

[coarse birch]

Hi mittins

[frank night]

[south folio]

kill mittins

[royal vortex]

what did he do to you

[coarse birch]

Kill arco

Damn

[polar nexus]

I did a mission yesterday with surgical crucian. It was fine.

[royal vortex]

tbh crucian is just outmoded

like

https://streamable.com/qzijg3

[frank night]

i sent him this a while ago

[royal vortex]

what else is 1-shotting crushers

[coarse birch]

Crucian was good when revo was finally good at first

[ripe quest]

I'm mostly against the +critical damage since it's like 4% damage

[coarse birch]

I think thats it

[light holly]

Thammer

[ripe quest]

Chaxe

[coarse birch]

Even t hammer has to go out of its way a bit

Chaxe and mk15 are good at it tho

[ripe quest]

Mk XII Chaxe just needs thrust

[royal vortex]

thammer users completing 7 trials to one-shot a crusher

meanwhile evis/chaxe users

[ripe quest]

Also that guy recommends +stamina regen on all curios and runs bleed knife

[polar nexus]

I don't remember him saying you need critical dmg rho

[oblique nexus]

Cool skin bro.

[fleet zealot]

LOL

lmao

[north sedge]

hell yea lets go

[coarse birch]

I gotta like full charge thrust chastise jump to get the headshot for a one shot on crucis

[coarse birch]

Thanks

[ripe quest]

2 things of block efficiency and 1 thing of sprint efficiency as well

[ripe quest]

He says it meets BPs on Ragers and he runs it on his Revolver.

[polar nexus]

Stam Regen is fine, I run 3 of them, because it suits my gameplay

[oblique nexus]

Yep, Indignatus Crusher is fantastic for quickly interupting enemy attacks with a KO clonk.

[polar nexus]

Lol

[light holly]

Stam regen is g ood

Bleed is... not so much

[lean lark]

Stam Regen is not good

[light holly]

????

[fleet zealot]

stam regen is weird and not needed for normal combat, but I can see vt2 vets liking it and other players liking it

[light holly]

What the hell

[spare dome]

i live and die by stamina

[polar nexus]

For you.

[royal vortex]

i dont like stam regen because i run desperation

[fading vale]

Stam regen doesn't do shit for zealot

[spare dome]

also my health bar i guess

[lean lark]

Stam Regen is a shit perk

[light holly]

Not blocking?

What the

[royal vortex]

blocking is for pussies im here to PUSH

[north sedge]

i can count on one hand the times where i've been like "god damn wish i had more stamina right now"

[royal vortex]

ATTACK

[light holly]

What is this stam regen slander

[royal vortex]

BONK

[lean lark]

who blocks on zealot actively

[ripe quest]

Every time I've ran knife Stamina gets eaten by PAs and you don't need stamina regen to keep it up

[spare dome]

push spammers smh

[fleet zealot]

bleed is garbo, especially without rending

[lean lark]

you're not an ogryn

[fleet zealot]

you can block after block break

you just have to release and reblock

[royal vortex]

if stam regen cut down the delay time

that would be really funny

[fleet zealot]

and you can do it infinitely

[coarse birch]

I wish man

[light holly]

So you never push attack, or block

I see....

[fleet zealot]

I do that, I dont need stam regen

or max stam

[light holly]

I hope those dodge charges are treating you well

[lean lark]

no I push attack

[fleet zealot]

i run 0 stam

[light holly]

😭

[royal vortex]

i mean for the vast majority of weapons including push attack centric ones you don't need stam regen to push attack

[ripe quest]

You don't need stamina regen for either

[fading vale]

nobody has ever thought stam regen was good

[light holly]

Its not terrible

[royal vortex]

because the push attack often flows into a combo anyways

[north sedge]

i block, when im currently picking someone up, that's about it

[light holly]

Now that's slander

[fading vale]

zealot has ridiculous stam by default

[fleet zealot]

this

[lean lark]

Stam Regen is terrible because it offers nothing of value

[light holly]

Maybe not for zealot smh

[fleet zealot]

it's just a holdover meta from vt2 where stamina was king

[lean lark]

not on every class

[fleet zealot]

and everyone ran stam block efficiency

[lean lark]

the only use case is deadshot vet

[light holly]

You...

[royal vortex]

You...

[fleet zealot]

this

[light holly]

Still do see people run stam regen and block efficiency

[fleet zealot]

You...

[lean lark]

but even then I don't even use stamina on vet because why the fuck would I

[light holly]

Its like still not bad in darktide

[fleet zealot]

cause they are dumb

[light holly]

At least not for vet

[lean lark]

it is bad

[light holly]

?????

[lean lark]

It's always been bad

[fleet zealot]

or they stuck in their ways

[ripe quest]

It used to be nice for Vet due to him having asthma but then Crab graced the stam econ

[fleet zealot]

block efficiency is bad in DT

[royal vortex]

i mean vet with the two stam regen nodes has psyker regen delay with higher base stamina

[light holly]

That's craazy

[royal vortex]

god bless him legitimately a fkin saint

[polar nexus]

Curios are personal. Except wounds. That's terrible.

[light holly]

These crazy opinions

[fading vale]

blocking is so rare, it's basically for ragers only and the occasional backstab noise

[light holly]

Yeah

[lean lark]

yeah it's crazy hearing genuinely good players

welcome to the real world

[light holly]

And people are yelling that stam regen is bad

[royal vortex]

u will notice that i said

nodes

not

curio perks

[fleet zealot]

this isn't Vt2 and the mechanics are different enough that there is factual reasons why block efficiency isn't good in this game

[light holly]

I mean, I am in the real world, out of my ass

This aint getting anywhere

[fleet zealot]

first, more ranged focus and the only character that can block bullets is psyker

[light holly]

Keep your opinions

[fading vale]

you are clearly up your own ass with these comments

[fleet zealot]

the real world out of your ass

[spare dome]

I mean if I could easily secure 60% BCR I'd be doing that

[light holly]

So yall gonna ignore the 3 other people

Saying stam regen is also okay?

Damn uall

Gonna sit here and get ganged up

[ripe quest]

Find a case where stamina regen provides noticeable value in your opinion.

[light holly]

[fleet zealot]

it's okay but that makes it bad relatively to all the other good options

[fading vale]

where are the 3 other people lol

[lean lark]

are you trying to pull an "nice ad hominem bro"

[fleet zealot]

I can block, dodge, push, just fine

[light holly]

Yes so get off my butt

[fleet zealot]

without any stamina issues

I can run chaxe and rev cancel and still have enough stam for gameplay

[polar nexus]

I already run gun resist and TG. You want me to put mutie resist instead?

[lean lark]

you get proven wrong and immediately cave in for no reason

[light holly]

I literally just had a conversation about stam regen in vet chat

[fleet zealot]

HP

[light holly]

Slander me all yall want

[lean lark]

vet chat

lol

lmao even

[light holly]

Its not a f tier curio slot

Trust me

[fleet zealot]

5% hp, 5% toughness, sniper resist, gunner resistance, corruption resistance

[polar nexus]

I run 1hp 2tg. It's enough hp

[light holly]

corruption resistance

I mean its fine

Wouldn't personally run it

[fading vale]

it's not F tier, maybe like C

[light holly]

I don't take grims

[fleet zealot]

corruption resistance works on all sources of corruption

[light holly]

Yes

I don't gain enough corruption

For it to matter

[fleet zealot]

from the twins gas, poxwalkers, poxbombers, tox flames

[light holly]

twin gas as regular

Pox walkers

Give you

[ripe quest]

I usually run +Toughness +Gunner and whatever I'm given.

[polar nexus]

Sniper resistance. I won't use a slot or 3 in case I am shot 1 time

[light holly]

Like 3 corruption per melee hit through toughness

Hyh?

[fleet zealot]

it is also why i listed it last

that is the order

[light holly]

1 sniper res is fine

[solar gorge]

this

[fading vale]

it's ok for twins but outside of that basically only for random bullshit poxbursters that happen

[light holly]

Gunner is great

[fleet zealot]

that is why it was listed last

[fading vale]

gunner toughness ordos all the way

[fleet zealot]

I believe it is the highest prio of the low prio perks

[light holly]

Block efficiency can help you block a mauler overhead and lord forbid a boss if you need it

[fleet zealot]

you can't just dodge?

[light holly]

Like yall coming at me swinging

[fading vale]

you can't block overheads

[fleet zealot]

dude wind ups like a gym bro

[median steeple]

god I love my money curios

[fleet zealot]

overheads are blockbreakers btw

[light holly]

If you have block efficiency iirc you can

[ripe quest]

I love exp curios

[light holly]

It depends

[fleet zealot]

"it depends"

no it doesn't

[light holly]

Iits based off the damage

Of the overhead

[ripe quest]

[fading vale]

no all overheads just break block

[fleet zealot]

there is no feasible reason

[light holly]

[fleet zealot]

to block an overhead

[median steeple]

if there is more than one crusher you're dead

[light holly]

I mean

[fleet zealot]

the dodge timing is so easy

i could do it while infected with the flu

[fading vale]

you can parry an overhead with a claw though if you time it right

[light holly]

Lord forbid you ran out of dodge.... like yoy know a normal person

God damn

I aint an AI

[fleet zealot]

i dont spam my dodges and waste them

[north sedge]

only claw parry can deal with overhead

[light holly]

I can't play perfectly

[fading vale]

but overheads are inherently unblockable

[light holly]

I'm saying it has its uses

[polar nexus]

In the psykanium. Not while there is a conga line of crushers and a horde

[fleet zealot]

no, I learned from some zen monks

just dont panic

and make every dodge count

[royal vortex]

me with my 3x hp 3x corruption res beacon of purity twins loadout

[fleet zealot]

and it's perfect for auric

[ripe quest]

It does just kinda become something that's on autopilot.

[fading vale]

me just standing in gas cause I have no idea what's happening lol

[fleet zealot]

the biggest thing that gets people killed by the congaline is they panic and waste dodges on nothing

[light holly]

I dunno chief

Jesus

[polar nexus]

I usually dodge one or two then I am fucked by the third one or blocked by something

[light holly]

Holy moly

Lord forbid you bring an opinion

[fleet zealot]

“Whiney”

Mf you guys are the ones crying about how much certain guns suck according to the excel sheet page 43 paragraph 2 like what, play the fucking game

[mental coral]

Love to see it when that happens

[light holly]

Like yes there are better curio effects

[light holly]

I play the game!

[fleet zealot]

time to pull out the copypastas

[light holly]

I'm just not gonna insult someone

Like oh my god

[fleet zealot]

it's a copypasta

[light holly]

It didn't work well for the context

[fleet zealot]

like omg guyz

[light holly]

I hope you understand

[mental coral]

It probably doesn’t help that they start off with one extra transition in hard mode, so some people stand thinking the gas will dissipate and it doesn’t

[fading vale]

this is last night's flamer conversation 2.0

[light holly]

I mwan I wasn't there

[fading vale]

well, it was my first time playing it

[light holly]

Lol

[mental coral]

Oh yeah I just mean in general

[fleet zealot]

dw we have 0 shortages of people that dont like being told information

in a discussion chatroom about a video game class

[median steeple]

all I did....

[light holly]

Does it

Matter

[fleet zealot]

does anything matter?

[light holly]

That I wasn't there for a separate argument that happened hours ago?

[mental coral]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[light holly]

That's crazy conversation yall

[fading vale]

who said it mattered

[royal vortex]

me

[light holly]

Anyways, stamina regen for vet, is fine, yall can keep your opinions

[light holly]

Why would you even

[fleet zealot]

sir/mam/enby

[light holly]

Bring it up

[fleet zealot]

this is zealot chat

[light holly]

This is zealot char

[ripe quest]

This is sedition with max +Block eff and +11 stamina

[light holly]

*there were zealots here that said stamina regen is fine

[fleet zealot]

stam regen been fine on vet with deadshot that's normal

[light holly]

and I run stamina regen on my xealot

because yes I too play the game

[fading vale]

because other people remember it and it's uh, the same bullshit of someone getting mad about told information and being wrong about shit

[fleet zealot]

if it helps you feel better they are wrong too

[olive raven]

Stamina regen is okay but it’s not great

[mental coral]

Slap on kinetic deflection as well

Ez block trust me bro

[royal vortex]

does he say "OBLITERATE"

[light holly]

Yes its fine

[royal vortex]

thats p cool

[light holly]

Its not the worst thing in the world

Nor is running like

1 block efficiency

[fleet zealot]

you are just the one who jumped to die on the hill

[ripe quest]

Yeah he's apocalypse coded

[fleet zealot]

god damn he sounds like a chad

[median steeple]

I fucking love the mauler voice lines

[royal vortex]

ive never paid attention to mauler voicelines

[light holly]

I mean its not hard to when folks come out of the wood work to come for my neck

Holy moly

[olive raven]

No this is.

This is

[median steeple]

"EARN YOUR RATIONS"

[ripe quest]

I hope one of the VAs for Zealot gets similar special lines with a 2h Chaxe.

[fading vale]

that happened because you got so fucking defensive instantly and started saying "holy moly these idiots lmao"

like come on

[light holly]

I'd it really bad?

[royal vortex]

we have weapon specific voicelines already

we can pray

🙏

[solar gorge]

And kill, you forgot and kill

[light holly]

I didn't call anybody an idiot

[polar nexus]

I run mostly with zealots and psyker running all the fucking time. I ll keep my Stam Regen thank you.

[ripe quest]

I know, I want more

[fleet zealot]

Ok, so only psyker can get teh ability to block bullets

[mental coral]

We do?

[light holly]

I literally had someone tell me that I had to get to the real world

Like

[median steeple]

its so over

[light holly]

I'm gonna get hostile

[royal vortex]

killstreaks

[fleet zealot]

but baseline psyker can block a whole gunner barrage

[royal vortex]

fanatic gets flamer killstreak voicelines, agitator chain weapons, judge thammer

[solar gorge]

yes, it's based on the personality you chose

[mental coral]

I mean zealot and ogryn can block bullets, just with their body

[frank night]

[fleet zealot]

psyker is by current standards, the class that would benefit from stamina the most

and they dont run it

[fading vale]

I mean, tone comes across in discord even if it's just text, but whatever no reason to continue

[fleet zealot]

I think that says it all

[light holly]

And insinuate I don't play the game

I do

[polar nexus]

Vet too

[fleet zealot]

Hammer and flamer have specific voicelines iirc

so does plasma

[spare dome]

every vet hates the plasma gun

[mental coral]

Not particularly imo, you would only run stamina if you are push attack spamming

[median steeple]

no no vets block poxwalker hits so the og doesnt have too

[solar gorge]

vets can complain about reloading plasma and getting burned, but there is no killstreak voicelines like zealot gets

[ripe quest]

oohh to have Ogryn DR and do this on Damnation

[fleet zealot]

talking about deflector

[mental coral]

Well I shouldn’t be talking I run 2 HP and a +3 stam

[light holly]

You could probably run it to block bullets more efficiently or God forbid

The question is

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[light holly]

Does deflector benefit from Block efficiency?

If so, wow we found a use case

[mental coral]

Last I checked yes

[fleet zealot]

god forbid tho that uhh

you shoudlnt be tanking that much fire anyways

[light holly]

Okay?

[mental coral]

Most people never take it because hitting breakpoints is more important but

[light holly]

So it still helps

[mental coral]

You can run it if you like

[light holly]

Yes

[fleet zealot]

1 gunner barrage from full stam baseline is plenty

[olive raven]

Yes.

[ripe quest]

You'd get way more out of just running a +stamina curio

[olive raven]

You lose 25% damage to something you shouldn’t be doing

[light holly]

Hmm?

[olive raven]

Blocking basically never occurs

You should be pushing and stamina regen is enough by default

[light holly]

Oh I see what you mean

[ripe quest]

Block and Sprint eff are on curios, which was the original convo

[fleet zealot]

the cursed vt2 boomer loadout with stam block efficiency on melee, stam sprint efficiency on ranged, 3x +3 stam curios with block efficiency and sprint efficiency

[light holly]

When did I ever bring it up

?

Like

[fleet zealot]

not everythign i type is about you, that is one of them

[light holly]

Do you think when I say you can run 1 block efficiency

It just really is weird

Thst you brought it up before

When I mentioned block efficiency

And now

Whatever

I'm over thinking it

[fluid wren]

Which blessings/perks work well for the flamethrower?

[ripe quest]

There's a weapon setup guide in pins.

[light holly]

There are better curio effects you can run sure

[frank night]

The regularly scheduled Guy Dying On A Hill has arrived

[fleet zealot]

blaze away+ your choice

[ripe quest]

Blaze Away + Whatever except Overpressure and Flak/Elites/Unyielding/Cara

[fleet zealot]

perks 25% unyielding 25% whatever else you want

if/when overpressure gets fixed, the combo will be blaze away+ overpressure

[median steeple]

next patch for sure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1190254069776912414/IMG_1673.mp4?ex=65a1217c&is=658eac7c&hm=9954abe585c831099022a8c33d78f43885c15eb13be053f5ef7c71a676110bba&

[outer bane]

when buying a weapon from brunt, should i be looking at the rating, or the damage stats?

[delicate shadow]

you should be looking at the whole weapon

[outer bane]

educate my smooth brain, what should i be looking at

someone once told me that sometimes its good to buy a grey weapon and upgrading

[frank night]

the way you more reliably get good weapons is you roll till you get a good grey base

then hope hadron doesnt fuck your ass

[median steeple]

it also depends on your weapon because they might need diff stats

welcome to gamble town

[frank night]

you'd have to show the weapon you're tryna roll

[ornate bone]

this is literally me

[frank night]

cos there are different dump stats

[delicate shadow]

so rating matters less than getting a good stat distribution but rating will influence blessing tiers when upgrading to a small extent iirc

[outer bane]

alright gotcha (kind of)

[frank night]

There are a lot of guys who have like

a really low overall stat thingy

because the stat that got dumped was the shit one

[delicate shadow]

I have some god roll items that are shit rating

[frank night]

so for ur actual question

you find out the stats that matter

then look at them

[royal vortex]

you called?

[median steeple]

as long as your weapon isn't like sub 250 you'll be fine

[frank night]

write ur fkn guide

stay in ur burrow

[royal vortex]

I AM

the ranged weapon part is complete

[frank night]

30-something is probably too low

[ornate bone]

are we finally getting a zealot guide?

[royal vortex]

no

[frank night]

no

[royal vortex]

i am writing a guide for the crusher

in particular

well its mostly written

[ornate bone]

JOSH IS WRITING A RANGED ZEALOT GUIDE

[royal vortex]

the important parts are done

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-pity-reload-shotgun-gif-5160379

[frank night]

he is going to extreme lengths to be able to avoid talking to people on the internet

[lean lark]

crusher

[spare dome]

its just a single word

[lean lark]

is melee

[spare dome]

'revolver'

[royal vortex]

because the crusher has enough nuance and things to think about

to warrant a guide

[ornate bone]

uhuh

[spare dome]

i should pick up the crusher again

[royal vortex]

originally this was supposed to be a lot shorter and then i learned some of the

eldritch lore

[spare dome]

kinda addicted to the eviscerators lately

[median steeple]

hit thing with big stick that go bwah

[frank night]

fatshark coding

[royal vortex]

it's one of the only weapons u can really use improperly

[frank night]

to percieve it directly

is to go mad

[royal vortex]

im too autistic for its curse to work on me

[median steeple]

ok gherman

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967102699789221918/1191478963499962478/ssstwitter.com_1703792309807.mp4?ex=65a59641&is=65932141&hm=d12f900d13d490a276a473f450886a5f848da7a5d926376989f05e74afb42af1&

[north sedge]

oh i dunno people find ways

[ornate bone]

I just uh

Push attack and do light heavy or heavy light

ok ty

[delicate shadow]

i'm gonna write a bleed knife guide

[royal vortex]

well its also like

crusher actually cares about stagger thresholds in a lot of situations

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[frank night]

thats fuckn nuts

[fleet zealot]

spread that misinformation

[delicate shadow]

step one: uninstall brain

[median steeple]

thats it 2024 is ruined for you

[delicate shadow]

there is no step 2

[median steeple]

try again next year

[royal vortex]

my goal really has just been to not add pointless wordcount like some of the other uh

guides

[delicate shadow]

the pizza madman arc

[ornate bone]

If I had more time, I'd have written a shorter letter

[north sedge]

voice made of gravel and used needles

[ripe quest]

I feel like if I made a specific guide the words would be strictly data labels

[median steeple]

you gotta hit the word limit for the grade

[royal vortex]

i have come to the conclusion i will not make a build for marty crusher

the guide will say u can use any keystone

but i refuse to use that keystone

[ripe quest]

Add paragraphs of fluff talking about Crusher vs every other weapon option and why it's the best weapon in the game and put "imo" every other sentence

[rough vault]

@royal vortex

[royal vortex]

whats up Fred

[north sedge]

but Bisho, what's the marty build for crusher?

[rough vault]

The ceiling dumbass

[north sedge]

fuck you got got

[median steeple]

[royal vortex]

bricks, sticks and straw get blown away by the big bad wolf

[rough vault]

Idjot

[south folio]

hey so i saw there was a marty build missing in your guide

where is it

[royal vortex]

in the middle of this bear trap

[south folio]

OwO

[ripe quest]

I didn't see the new Chaxe mentioned in your guide, what do you recommend on it?

[royal vortex]

im glad u guys are joking because like right after p13 i would get 4 pings about 20 secs after i said anything in zealchat

[frank night]

they are repeating my joke but louder and more specific

[north sedge]

josho why flamer so very weak?

[frank night]

small head

[south folio]

oh hey it's the person who wrote the crusher guide

what are the 10 ways to build each melee weapon

[craggy maple]

There's a crusher guide?

[delicate shadow]

Josho hsword guide when???

[royal vortex]

there is going to be

[frank night]

there will be

[royal vortex]

soon

i almost done

[frank night]

eventually

[median steeple]

will this guide do my taxes?

[frank night]

assuming he doesnt think of

other things

to add

[royal vortex]

i had to scrap some of the breakpoint data

[ripe quest]

ooohoooh can you do Mk X Laspistol next? It's my favorite weapon and I think it deserves a lengthy guide on it.

[royal vortex]

because i realized how fucking stupid "the push attack l2 two-shot on scab gunners" breakpoint sounds

considering the push attack will fling them and hitting the required headshot on the l2 is really annoying

[ornate bone]

have you considered just hitting it twice normally?

[royal vortex]

u can do that yeah

[ripe quest]

I mean, it would be cool to see a big table of all the combos and how many actions/how much time is spent to kill each enemy.

[royal vortex]

i would do this

if

[ornate bone]

this is why breakpoints are stupid

[rough vault]

What the hell is wrong with you

[royal vortex]

crusher wasn't a huge stagger weapon

and it wasn't finesse based

[south folio]

owo

[royal vortex]

because these both throw some really weird wrenches into any consistent BP data outside of a select few enemies

[mossy lodge]

@royal vortex where can i watch your guides?

👀

[royal vortex]

which is why the scope of the BP section is very limited because when you are fighting ragers priority #1 is keeping them on the ground

[rough vault]

uwu

[cobalt spoke]

Is one of the chainswords better than the other? Or is it preference based on moveset

[royal vortex]

u will be able to read this one fairly soon

it will be done today

[cobalt spoke]

I like the mark 15 but a lot of people use the other one

2 handed I should say

[mossy lodge]

@royal vortex ???

[royal vortex]

i am unsure if you are in on the joke or genuinely asking but the guide isn't out yet

[ripe quest]

The XIIIg hits harder with it's heavies, and the light spam is a bit better. The IV's Heavies have really good cleave patterns.

[rough vault]

@royal vortex freddy guide when

[royal vortex]

in 10 years

when i come back from getting milk

[rough vault]

Sweet!

See u then boo xoxo

[lone pecan]

Hey guys, any recommendations on what to change on these two, I was thinking stamina to carapace on the crusher. Ranged damage to carapace on the shotty as well and deathsplitter to no respite?

[royal vortex]

oh man that crusher is pretty much perfect

[cobalt spoke]

I was asking about the heavy ones sorry

[royal vortex]

stamina to any of carapace/flak/maniac

i like unyielding cara or unyielding maniac on mine personally

and then trauma to skullcrusher

[ripe quest]

Ah, Mk II is better for crowds and the Mk XV is better for single target.

[ornate bone]

why would you get impact blessings??

[royal vortex]

there's nothing else the crusher can get

[cobalt spoke]

Sure it's not reverse ? Cause the moves on xv are side to side

[ripe quest]

The Mk XV has the best Unyielding damage of the chain weapons as well.

[royal vortex]

and impact on it is actually really good for crowd control and damage because it synergizes so well with skullcrusher

[mossy lodge]

Pick your poison.

[ripe quest]

The lights on both Evis' are target capped to 4. The H1 on the Mk II isn't though, it's enough to give it an edge against crowds.

[royal vortex]

i would swap weakspot to flak or maniac, even with the slug shot agri doesn't deal with carapace well

no respite is preferred over deathspitter though yet

[ornate bone]

impact doesn't increase damage tho

[ripe quest]

If you want strictly light spam the XV will be better though.

[mossy lodge]

fOR FOR REAL IF YOU DO IT I WANT TO CHECK, THAT ALL !❤️

[royal vortex]

synergizes with skullcrusher

since skullcrusher is only active when an enemy is in a stagger animation

[cobalt spoke]

Best blessings?

Rampage and something?

[royal vortex]

impact blessings also allow you to bully ragers with unactivated attacks far more effectively, because without one only a H2 will stagger a rager (on a headshot)

[fading vale]

Josho verse 3.2

[ripe quest]

For generalist, Mk II wants Rampage + Savage Sweep and the XV wants Rampage + Shred/Bloodthirsty.

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[cobalt spoke]

Gotcha, thx

[ripe quest]

With crit build I recommend the Mk II using Shred + Savage/Perfect Strike

[lone pecan]

So stamina to flak/maniac/cara, trauma to skullcrusher and weak spot to flak/maniac and deathsplitter to no respite?

[royal vortex]

yup

[lone pecan]

Thank you guys

[fading vale]

I now can't unsee Bishojosho

[south folio]

owo

[open bramble]

Bishojosho just rolls off the tongue

[royal vortex]

i take on many different forms

[frank night]

joist

[royal vortex]

mootifios

[frank night]

mootiofos

[mental coral]

How do you even type joist

[frank night]

joist

.

[royal vortex]

stan was drunk

[mental coral]

Like t is nowhere near o lmao

Well on the phone atleast

I gotta check on keyboard cuz I have zero memory

[frank night]

stan combines phone auto correct with being unable to spell with refusing to spell check with alcohol with caps lock with boundless enthusiasm

[north sedge]

Stan's phone simple hasn't got his scent yet

[frank night]

scent checking a phone takes two months

[south folio]

his cast iron phone

[north sedge]

It may take a week, or a lifetime

[south folio]

pass it down a generation

[raven swan]

random drop

[frank night]

this leads to him casting powerful spells

[raven swan]

I guess I need to remove Thunderous for somethig else

[ripe quest]

ooooo very nice. You can either do Headtaker/Slaught or HT/Thrust. Those perks are fine.

[fleet zealot]

ham glazr ham glade

[frank night]

im not sure how his phone didnt catch GLAZR

but here we are

[south folio]

glazorr

[delicate shadow]

shadow stan money gang?

[south folio]

what was he even trying to spell

[frank night]

Ham glaze

[south folio]

oh ok

the obvious option was the correct one in this case

[frank night]

its the way it reads like crazed chanting that makes it one of my favourites

HAM GLAZR HAM GLADE HAM GLAZR HAM GLADE HAM GLAZR HAM GLADE HAM GLAZR HAM GLADE HAM GLAZR HAM GLADE

https://tenor.com/view/demon-city-shinjuku-anime-gif-19198831

[delicate shadow]

I still can't believe he turned me into a grain

[fading vale]

is that better or worse than a fake pizza chain

[fleet zealot]

glizzy glazr

[north sedge]

Fake pizza chain?

[delicate shadow]

Aquino's

[frank night]

this was another classic

and no I have absolutely no idea what he was trying for that time

[delicate shadow]

I could at least run a pizzeria

[north sedge]

Oh right

[delicate shadow]

idk shit about being a pseudocereal

[fading vale]

we are getting Stans Pizzeria soon

[delicate shadow]

Six Nights At Stan's

[south folio]

stan is the perfect test case for people creating autocorrects

[fading vale]

he got an electric wood fired pizza oven for Christmas

whatever electric wood fired means

[delicate shadow]

yeah not really sure how that's supposed to work lmao

if it's electrically ignited that's just...wood fired but with extra steps

[warm trellis]

electricity sets the wood on fire I guess

[frank night]

so if he's just saying it's wood fire effect

https://www.directstoves.com/stoves/electric-stoves.html

then they do exist

[warm trellis]

I mean you gotta set the wood on fire somehow, If anything thus ist fewer steps

[buoyant pecan]

Aquino's Pizza

[delicate shadow]

hmm I suppose

like I guess it saves you from needing to use a gas line or lighter

[onyx solar]

alternatively, you could be a gaslighter

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[buoyant pecan]

Incan knows who heard the word Gas

https://tenor.com/view/navy-armada-aircraft-carrier-dominate-gif-11313179

Gerard F. Ford and escorts enroute

[ornate bone]

So I've heard

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mummy-returns-allah-islam-kiss-muslim-gif-17271025

[raven swan]

Thrust will be then, I am about to try it now

[royal vortex]

indignatus crusher

[ornate bone]

holy shit this is literally me when I'm mildly caffeinated

[south folio]

cryonic rod

[fleet zealot]

i've purged myself from caffeine in my diet

when i was in highschool+working i had 2 of the largest can redbulls a day

[vocal pulsar]

? this is a vacuum capsule moment, not cryonic rod

ignorant

[fleet zealot]

and at my apartment years later i would order a pallet of monster online so i could always have 1 a day

[south folio]

source? proof? L? Ratio? didn't ask?

[vocal pulsar]

my source? my proof? divine right.

i am a god

and you? you are ash beneath my boot. unfit, even to be cinder.

[delicate shadow]

[south folio]

rawr xd

[hasty bone]

get parried

[vocal pulsar]

you are based, unlike arco

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-block-parry-dodge-block-parry-dodge-gif-25053870

[vocal pulsar]

did stan really change your name from the nation of Korea to the nation of India?

[hushed knoll]

HI MANKAR HI QUINOA

[delicate shadow]

we international in here

hi stan

[hasty bone]

yes

[vocal pulsar]

hello stan, welcome to the discord server

[hushed knoll]

Oh I see you guys are talking about me

[hushed knoll]

Why is that your default greeting

[vocal pulsar]

what will be next, i wonder. i predict: uzbekistan

[hushed knoll]

Why would my phone spell Usbekistan

[vocal pulsar]

my would your phone spell my jar

[frank night]

mutie in elevator

[hushed knoll]

It’s still learning my typing scent

[north sedge]

Stan won't rest until kos is the entirety of southeast asia

[hushed knoll]

Hi mittins

[frank night]

helo

[hushed knoll]

Is India in Southeast Asia

Isn’t it southwest asia

[south folio]

stan please

[hushed knoll]

Can you PLEASE tell me why you only include one l in your hellos

[delicate shadow]

it's kinda just south asia lol, the indian subcontinent is kinda in-line with central asia

[hushed knoll]

That misspelling looks like the Italian alcoholic drink

[hushed knoll]

Why did I read that as in love

[vocal pulsar]

he's br*tish, he invented english

it's his divine right to spell things however he wants

[north sedge]

Yea, but white people consider it all east

[hushed knoll]

You dumped his tea in the habah

[delicate shadow]

tru

[vocal pulsar]

i pahked my cah in the hahvahd yahd

[hushed knoll]

And you watched the Sawks in the Bah

[mossy lodge]

w

[north sedge]

Wicked pissah

[hushed knoll]

Typical vet talking about pots

Piss

😠

[north sedge]

What

[hushed knoll]

Nevermind I had a blue moon

And my elbow is itchy

Forgive me

[north sedge]

Why vet

[hushed knoll]

Don’t vets like that and femboys

[south folio]

yeah barmbrack

[hushed knoll]

[north sedge]

What

Stan what i said was an extremely bostonian phrase

[royal vortex]

piss

[mystic ether]

lol

dunno about the femboy hype. them fuckers are annoying to deal with on most days.

[hushed knoll]

I know

[vocal pulsar]

THE CRUSHER GUIDE IS OUT

[hushed knoll]

Why are you thinking

[hushed knoll]

WHERE

[vocal pulsar]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127724964

[hushed knoll]

OHHHHH I THOUGHT IT WAS A GUIDE ON HOW TO BEAT CRUSHERS LOL

I’m so dumb

[royal vortex]

step 1: submit. there is no escape

[hushed knoll]

Oh shit Josho you did a lot of work

Thanks man

[royal vortex]

@delicate shadow can u pin this we're gonna pass it off as mankar's

he requested a Special Thanks section but actually any time someone has a complaint theyre gonna spam him

[south folio]

change your steam name to mankar

[vocal pulsar]

i dont want to take responsibility for this poorly written guide that lacks a BASIC SPECIAL THANKS SECTION THAT MENTIONS MANKAR CAMMORAN

[royal vortex]

ok i will put in the guide at the very top

thank u my jar

[fading vale]

hey it's really long can I get a TLDR

thanks

[royal vortex]

spam special lights in every situation

if there is a boss do special heavy

[fading vale]

oh perfect

[royal vortex]

ur welcome

[solar gorge]

just like the good old days

[fading vale]

the 45 defences crusher is so perfect

shame it's not as low as 19

[sharp zodiac]

Especially on twitter

But that can be said for anything on there

[royal vortex]

i spent 3 million looking for dumpstat defences crushers

[sharp zodiac]

Except me

[warm trellis]

why long text when little text do job

shoulda just put that in the guide

[delicate shadow]

:^)

[royal vortex]

sdfmnbn ;sdfBJcnkgdfm.jmszb;.adfhbjnsg;df'kdgbnf';kl

jndgzb;kfgbdxsj

;'lkgndjngdf

[delicate shadow]

(I'll pin the real one)

[south folio]

wow nice guide @vocal pulsar

[royal vortex]

hold on wait unpin that one i dont actually want him to get pinged for it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127724964

[delicate shadow]

lmao

[warm trellis]

LOL

[royal vortex]

thank u incan

[warm trellis]

you fool

[south folio]

a wave of sympathy washed over josho

[delicate shadow]

I shoulda left both pinned so people would just be confused

[south folio]

this is a moment he would regret in the future

[royal vortex]

two identical crusher guides block the fork in the road

one only tells lies

[warm trellis]

can't believe josho copied mankys guide smh

[royal vortex]

the other truths

[south folio]

this is a perfect nickname for mankar

i will be taking it

[warm trellis]

you're welcome

[fading vale]

what attack is this

[royal vortex]

oops

should be heavy 1 lemme fix that

[lusty turtle]

fake crusher users

[vocal pulsar]

GUIDE RUINED

shit guide

[royal vortex]

ok all the breakpoint tables should have the attacks properly listed

[vocal pulsar]

btw where are all the pictures

not enough pictures

too many number

[royal vortex]

i looked at a couple other guides and i decided the embedded youtube videos looked really ugly

[warm trellis]

pictures of numbers just fake pictures

[royal vortex]

so all my demonstration clips are streamable links

[warm trellis]

more picture

hope you're paying for streamable

[royal vortex]

if anyone asks "josho, did you have to make clips demonstrating the combos" the answer is yes

also the answer to that is yes

[warm trellis]

praise be

[royal vortex]

because i have been explaining it to people in vc and it is kind of hard to explain some of the stuff like push attacking chaining to the heavy 2 faster

particularly to ppl who arent as nerd emoji'd as i am

[fading vale]

🤓

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/elsword-gif-27268482

[solar gorge]

can they remove the maelstrom that's just histg+dog waves of the maelstrom pool

it's a waste of space

[modest quiver]

Just tried auric damnation for the first time...

What a blast 😄

[fading vale]

soon we will be blessed with pictures of mayo chicken, I can't wait

[royal vortex]

hell yeah

[frozen ibex]

You're so pro I'm still in sedition collecting plasteels like an honest job.

[modest quiver]

Actualy felt so coordinated vs the player pool for twins hard mode ; _ ;

[vocal pulsar]

@royal vortex will you play the game now

[north sedge]

Bishojosho, i just read your crusher guide and I have question, why flamer bad?

[vocal pulsar]

or are you gonna nerd in the psyk ward still

[royal vortex]

because it's not a gigantic mace

[desert coral]

silent trappers gallloooor today anyone else?

[frozen glen]

josho theres a spelling mistake

[royal vortex]

where

[frozen glen]

not telling u

[royal vortex]

im sobbing

[fading vale]

silent enemies happen all the time rn

[royal vortex]

i dunno if i ever want to place darktide again

look

here

[mystic ether]

Oh nah I'm talking about like, think like the white boy femboys that that show up to the function just to build meter to say some racist shit eventually.

[royal vortex]

i'll show you something

[modest quiver]

Yes sir, I am now pro. Thank you for acknowedging my superior skills

[frozen glen]

I'm joking I didn't actually see one

[desert coral]

today its like all of them are silent though nutty shit

[royal vortex]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[modest quiver]

was definitely not holding on by the skin of my teeth, no sir. Not me.

[mystic ether]

direct interaction type beat. idk shit about internet femboys save one and they were actually cool. just in a shitty place overall for them.

[sharp zodiac]

Oh

[frozen glen]

glad josho didn't end up SLANDERING immo nades cuz of his throwing knife cope

[desert coral]

specialists popping up infront of me every other 5 seconds without making noise

[mystic ether]

"I just like the contrast" type shit. >_>

[royal vortex]

[desert coral]

like I had 8 trappers in 2 min

no noise

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-text-bubble-gif-25744751

[royal vortex]

ok its fixed

i think that one was because i copied the table template

because i did the math for the push attack stuff but didn't actually want to include it until much later on

[fading vale]

hey put me in the special thanks section too I helped fix like 2 typos

[royal vortex]

you will be immortalized as helpful henri

[fading vale]

lol

[vocal pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-on-the-computer-on-the-internet-using-the-computer-browsing-gif-2122773542571878961

[fading vale]

why don't we ask stan to review it, as an English teacher

[royal vortex]

i almost did

ngl

[north sedge]

"guide hasn't quite picked up bisho's scent"

[fading vale]

lol

[modest quiver]

threw some basic blessings on this based on recommendations. Will give it a whirl

[fading vale]

just point towards heads and go clicky clicky

and things will die

[modest quiver]

does ghost work vs Rodin?

[sharp zodiac]

Idk

[royal vortex]

@craggy maple @mossy lodge i think you both asked about it earlier, the crusher guide i was talking about is now out

[sharp zodiac]

Probably

[fading vale]

well you don't generally want to shoot twin heads cause carapace

unless you have chastise

[modest quiver]

i know but if you're shooting the heads of everything else 😛

Rodin becomes less threatening

[coarse birch]

@royal vortex you were right crusher is fucking awesome

[modest quiver]

if it works that is

[royal vortex]

twins also take -100% less headshot damage on hardmode

[frozen glen]

can't wait for josho to post it on blebbit and have people call it the mid thammer

[royal vortex]

it is so fun

[fading vale]

hail the crab god for helping make crusher a fun weapon

[royal vortex]

praise him

[coarse birch]

i even did well with it for my first mission

[royal vortex]

o also @coarse birch i apologize for telling you the crusher guide would be out "in a few hours" like two days ago lmao

[coarse birch]

eh you told me the info i really wanted

[royal vortex]

i have learned a few

mostly useless things since then

i have gained a genuine appreciation for impact blessings and how they function

[coarse birch]

good thing they are only useful on one weapon 🙂

[royal vortex]

okay

but think of this

in the world where cleave stagger distribution got worse on successive targets with bladed weapons

they would have a place...

(it kind of does but a dclaw will stagger basically every horde enemy it touches)

[coarse birch]

yeah cleave is kind of fucked up in this game

[frozen glen]

so ur saying the crusher is just a better dclaw

[coarse birch]

like just in general

[royal vortex]

nah it's a mid headshot weapon

[frozen glen]

goddammit

[royal vortex]

hordes are just too safe as it is

blunt weapons need more of a baseline upside in having better stagger

[coarse birch]

yeah i cant think of a single weapon where i actually struggle in a horde

like i have to think a little more with hamme r

but im still fine

[royal vortex]

idt it's even a matter of struggling, hordes need to require a bit more input to be managed and you should have different performances with weapons that belong to different archetypes

like imagine if a hsword could still blend hordes but you need better push/dodge management because it's not as safe as a hammer or crusher

[coarse birch]

i just mean i think they should be more difficult

[royal vortex]

yeah

[coarse birch]

i dont need to struggle but i want to like

think

[royal vortex]

i just get vigilant about wording because you get

"LOLOL NECKBEARD STOP SAYING GAME TOO EASY" mouthbreathers

[coarse birch]

ah yeah fair

[royal vortex]

"CLEARLY YOU PLAY REGULAR DAMNATION"

[coarse birch]

like when i can hit 15+ dudes and kill 8 per swing i am

not really worried about a horde unless something else shows up

[royal vortex]

yeah

[coarse birch]

the danger of a horde is getting stuck when dodging a trapper

[royal vortex]

hordes/elites need to pose more of an individual threat

so that we can tune back the fkin wave of 16 special bullshit in hishock a lil

[coarse birch]

yeah unless you go out of your way to not be able to deal with gunners

[golden anchor]

Laspistol is a pretty good pairing with crusher tbh, good anti special and good boss dmg, along with good mobility so u dont have to stick with crusher movespeed all the time

[coarse birch]

its literally just specialists that are a threat however even then its like

trappers

mutants dont even kill me anymore cause guys dont hit me when i get grabbed anymore

[modest quiver]

Whenever there's a wave of that many of the same special, the Benny Hill theme always planys in my head

[coarse birch]

aside from getting caught in fire

[golden anchor]

But pretty good guide, crusher definitely is the best zealot melee weapon, slept on by the faithless

[royal vortex]

i kind of wish their pathing would go more out of the way to take you somewhere you weren't already standing

[royal vortex]

yeah, kind of slipped my mind lol

[polar nexus]

the problem is that he has a video and we only have shared knowledge and search on discord

[royal vortex]

i've brainrotted myself a bit playing columnus brauto/iag

cuz i picked those two guns up for shield shredding on twins HM and then didnt put em down

[coarse birch]

laspistol sounds fun with it however i am addicted to columus brauto

[golden anchor]

Ghost is busted, saves me from having to take twbs lol

[coarse birch]

dakka dakka into crushers and rager packs is simply too fun

[royal vortex]

laspistol is another one of the throwing-knive-compatible weapons because it's a really good flak shredder and less good vs unarmored/maniac (relatively)

[golden anchor]

Reaper shooting at me? Pull out laspistol and casually walk towards it

[royal vortex]

so u can use throwing knives for trappers/flamers to save on ammo

[golden anchor]

Laspistol has so much ammo anyways its not really needed

[royal vortex]

well it's also kind of a TTK thing. in a lot of cases it's faster unless i get a crit

particularly for flamers more so than trappers

[coarse birch]

yeah if you have your melee out knife is faster 99% of the time