zealot-class

[heavy arch]

bolt pistol seems doable

[drifting wolf]

that would probably shatter your entire arm regardless

[zinc talon]

so I had to check

the chestpiece read to my eyes as house of the begrutted emperor

and I was like

'we just gonna turn this tag inside out so nobody sees that'

did somebody say

[bright zephyr]

Dont really like most of the store stuff, lucky me ^^

[zinc talon]

boat piston

[bright zephyr]

i shoudknt play my knife zealot when drunk

[mystic ether]

That's the best time.

I was playing faded last night.

Zoomin

Shootin

Stabbin

[bright zephyr]

faded?

[mystic ether]

High/drunk.

Same time.

[bright zephyr]

i completed map and forgot i had a Q ability x)

[mystic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-pepsi-having-a-good-time-eating-funny-epic-gif-15879543

[ripe quest]

Don't show off leaks in channels

[bright zephyr]

not like ic an really aim with my Q daggers

[heavy arch]

q is weapon swap innit

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1183749744246407178/image0.gif?ex=658977dc&is=657702dc&hm=c33d909942cffaa5e2b62a4804c233b533a40a978e54686a21149194ffcedeac&

[bright zephyr]

knife throw for me ^^

[mystic ether]

I had one run this week where I took throwing knives and never used them lmao

Same. I get it.

[bright zephyr]

they are really good, but i suck at aiming...even when not drunk

oka yi drank absynth, what ecatly is this? xD

really want my stun grenades back, but cant fit it into my dagger crit build :3

[zinc talon]

(lol)

you're right I shouldn't

[heavy arch]

what are the good knife blessings again

precog and what else

[fading vale]

always uncanny

[heavy arch]

oh right uncanny

[umbral kindle]

wooo can't wait for Hadron to ruin this

[heavy arch]

is this bricked

[unborn depot]

nnnnno some minor tweaks and that's a strong knife, right?

[fading vale]

Uh kind of, I would replace both blessings

[unborn depot]

I mean cough yeah shits bricked yo, better just pick up a hammer and forget that whole knife zealot thing

[heavy arch]

i got to lvl 309 zealot without ever touching dagger

[fading vale]

you could maybe keep mercy killer and run uncanny

[zinc talon]

the only real cost to using that one

is having to sleep at night knowing you brought a KNIFE TO A LITERAL FORTY MINUTE GUNFIGHT

HAVE YOU PEOPLE NOT HEARD THE SAYING

[umbral kindle]

Your fetid words will not stop me curb stomping the moebian sixth with it

[polar nexus]

YouTubers started shitting knife builds 2 or 3 weeks ago and now everyone is trying the London lifestyle

[dull stratus]

Anyone else hard stuck on classic dagger? Like I have 1350 hours and most is on dagger

I have a problem but i keep going back

[umbral kindle]

I mean also new knife

[zinc talon]

I can respect this

[dull stratus]

As someone from the south its so insanely fun to pretend to be a crazy preacher with a combat knife

[neon lotus]

yo what's the dump stat fro the devil's claw?

[north sedge]

mobi

[dull stratus]

Also i really like the handling/block and dodge speed increases on knife

[fading vale]

I don't think there are too many people insane enough to put that many hours on knife especially considering old knife

[gray ice]

Roll 100 in every dclaw stat

Then profit

[fading vale]

granted my 800-900 hours are all hammer so

[gray ice]

It is kinda crazy you can do that

[craggy python]

i have 260 hours and i reckon about 200 of that is on old evis

[fading vale]

you like what you like I guess

[gray ice]

If I use one weapon too long I start to get bored

Hats off to your commitment

[fading vale]

I mean zealot doesn't really have any other interesting weapons to me except maybe crusher

[tight fog]

i have about 400 hours of left clicking with antax combat axe it's absolutely poggers

[heavy arch]

i change wep every run

or class even

[royal vortex]

i think if zealot only had crusher as a melee weapon i would be fine

[gray ice]

I would be very not fine

[ornate bone]

I think that

[gray ice]

Even as much as I love crusher

[royal vortex]

very few of the melee weapons in this game feel interesting after using it long enough

[ornate bone]

Knife is worth a lot of hours

[fading vale]

like 2

[gray ice]

Knife isn't worth the gum on my shoe

[ornate bone]

Under torture 2 hours feels like forever

[gray ice]

I played 3 games with knife and wanted to die by the 2nd

[fading vale]

every fucking knife clip I've ever seen is some stupid ass light spam nonsense with an occasional heavy and it makes me hate myself

[royal vortex]

my first knife game in 1k hours involved a 8-10 min solo clutch

[ornate bone]

Every knife meme I do is knife movetech towards gunners

I do not live if I am not going after every enemy in the outer radius of my team

[dull stratus]

I'd say out of 1350 300 of that was testing every old ranged weapon for taste on old vet 300 was on psyker vet ogryn shennanigens 600 would be old knife zealot or old heavy sword zealot. The most recent 150 hours I have been trying out the other/new weapons

[royal vortex]

my biggest gripe with knife users is their tendency to try to monopolize positioning and playing aggressively into ranged enemies as a knife-only skill

[ripe quest]

cough yee that's a knife bro shit's trash never use it only use Hsword or Caxe with Revolver trust me bro here's some Damnation gameplay

[sharp zodiac]

Making crab

[drifting wolf]

i tried out the XV and my soul briefly left my body by how simple the moveset is

[ornate bone]

DS4 starts feeling like knife when I get mettle stacks or pop scrier's gazr

[royal vortex]

which is just utter nonsense but i've had enough people say it to me to notice a trend

[ornate bone]

E

Knife does have a certain advantage when closing the gap

There is no weapon as fast as it

[royal vortex]

a completely meaningless advantage outside of maybe solos considering the class has stealth/twbs/chastise

[dull stratus]

The problem with most knife users is they NEVER use their ranged weapon for horde clear and that compounds with their aggressive positioning to wipe the team who is trying to recover.

[ornate bone]

But that's when you don't use the funny stuff

[dull stratus]

Thats why I run knife and flamer

[royal vortex]

zealot doesn't have a gap closing issue

u move faster sure, but with twbs and not running at gunners with 0 toughness ur never really bogged down by ranged enemies anyways

[ornate bone]

Also vet has 60s on stealth and no charge abilities

[royal vortex]

it's 45s without the extra ult upgrade, lasts longer, and you have tactical awareness

• shout is a whole other can of probably overpowered worms

[ripe quest]

From my limited Psyker gameplay DS just felt better than Knife in every damage aspect.

[ornate bone]

The extra charge is utterly goated

[royal vortex]

depends how u use it i feel

can go either way on that one

[dull stratus]

Twbs isnt even that great it literally only counters gunners and reapers. Good positioning and map knowledge will do that for you without a talent point. It does other QoL stuff but with a good team youll never miss it.

[ornate bone]

TWBS is a worst case scenario thing

[bright zephyr]

i love knife, nothing feels as good :3

[fading vale]

TWBS counters literally every enemy and makes the game more fun

[royal vortex]

twbs counters literally every enemy

huh?

it's any stun in the game

[ornate bone]

When you don't take it, odds are you'll get a rude reminder next match

[royal vortex]

you can get stunned from any hit w/o it

[gray ice]

All I can say about knife is there's never been a situation where I've gone damn I wish I had knife instead

[royal vortex]

it's just particularly noticeable vs ranged enemies

[ornate bone]

I say that

With hordes being largely based on player skill

[bright zephyr]

i mean i know knife isnt "the best" still just love the feeling ^^

[ornate bone]

Knife doesn't have the kinds of issues VT2 weapons had

[royal vortex]

also "good positioning" in a lot of cases does not make it any easier to walk into the conga-line of gunners who are shooting at you with no alt routes

[dull stratus]

All I can say about knife is I have never gotten shittalked and the apologized to so many times in a row

[bright zephyr]

knife vs hordes is the worst, still love it x)

[royal vortex]

you can certainly mitigate the effect of sightlines and on some maps there are alt routes

(which take much longer to traverse in those cases, mind you)

[gray ice]

This is completely fair

[royal vortex]

but there are a lot of areas where you are forced to stand there and shoot the bad guys or get into melee with them

not counting instances where you're trying to manever behind melee elites to take out gunners to relieve pressure on the team

in which case being slower means you're flat out less effective at what you wanna do

[gray ice]

I was a dclaw enjoyer pre-patch 13 so y'knoww I been there

[ornate bone]

Knife is a matter of player expression

[vocal pulsar]

90% of knifers do nothing the whole game, but they think they're contributing. Most new knifers pick the up the knife thinking they will be different from the rest, but they fail categorically.

[dull stratus]

Like I said earlier the problem isnt the knife. The problem is the knife zealot refusing to run or use a ranged weapon that can horde clear when their positioning becomes a liability.

[bright zephyr]

the "bad" thing about knife, that it makes everything else feel so slow x)

[ornate bone]

Knife is about having fun and knowing what to kill

[fading vale]

yes there are some knifers that actually contribute but it's a very low percentage

[ornate bone]

No point in prioritizing a horde with knife when your team is getting harassed by gunners

[royal vortex]

knife is fun but it is a high skill floor weapon with lower reward than other options

u can do good with any gear it's just gonna be harder with knife

[ornate bone]

It's a weapon that does very well with switching situations

[mystic ether]

not really no. It's not as nice as it could be but after doing all this zealot knife shit for so long, running something like piety and actually sharking about for backstabs works incredibly well with lacerate

[ornate bone]

You can rush anywhere at any time

[dull stratus]

Yeah literally the best way to knife tank is to ignore 80% of the mobs on screen and go ham on priority targets while dodging your ass off

[mystic ether]

Yeah nah. You can definitely do both.

But it is better to beeline when you're able to for melee kills on shooting assholes.

[ornate bone]

I can't stress how good it feels to chain one-shots on shooters

[mystic ether]

You just really need to be creating those opportunities.

[fading vale]

God please stop with lacerate

[ornate bone]

And at that sprint speed

[mystic ether]

Strictly: no.

[bright zephyr]

I always feel like "im helping the team by getting that gunner group into melee, therefore neutralizing them." just before some vet just mows all of them down in one seocnd xD

[ornate bone]

Vet knife is particularly goated because you can get 30% weakspot and 25% finesse

On top of 15% melee damage

[dull stratus]

Ok so REAL ZEALOT TALK Who else likes making the AI director so frustrated it targets you with 5 of one special

[mystic ether]

Knife is fun on just about everything. Haven't gotten a nicer one on my psysker yet or finished leveling them but I prefer duelling sword anyway at that point just because.

[fading vale]

if you like lacerate just say you at least recognize it's terrible but you like it

[ornate bone]

And you also can proc mercy killer on the second hit consistently without a garbage blessing

[median steeple]

happy new year you animals

[heavy arch]

i regret bringing up that knife

[mystic ether]

I recognize exactly what I've been able to do running it when I have. And I fuck when I do. I got four different knives so far that I play with.

[ornate bone]

I shit you not, I genuinely believe knife is better on vet

[fading vale]

mercy killer is also a garbage blessing

relatively

[bright zephyr]

3hours to late, but happy new year to you too ^^

[dull stratus]

Lacerate is good, it makes your punches bleed through bulwark shields

[ornate bone]

Mercy killer is for the funnies on vet

[dull stratus]

Literally the only reason i take it

[fading vale]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST YOU HAVE 1350 HOURS ON KNIFE

IT DOES NOT

[bright zephyr]

Im a newb, but i still believe everything is better on vet x)

[mystic ether]

Personally disagree but vet doesn't feel terrible to use at all which is enough. So,etimes I tailor things a bit more over time.

[fading vale]

it only penned bulwark shields in December

[mystic ether]

strictly for vet if I don't want to be too involved with what I'm doing.

[ornate bone]

Like, vet emphasizes a lot of headshotting with knife

[heavy arch]

maelstrom

[ornate bone]

Zealot gets a lot of base damage buffs

[mystic ether]

Knife emphasizes headshots, let's slow it down a bit.

[ornate bone]

It does

[bright zephyr]

pretty sure, you should go for headshots with knife on zealot too :p

[mystic ether]

(not being a prick just being silly)

[ornate bone]

I'm saying vet brings that emphasis further

[mystic ether]

I haven't gotten a solid mk4 knife yet but that's where I'll try some builds with it on zealot.

[ornate bone]

Zealot has duelist and idfk what else for headshots

[frosty herald]

Maelstrom needs a gear score

[hallow hatch]

is this knife good?

[ornate bone]

Vet specifically has a weakspot and a finesse talent

[bright zephyr]

mk4? you prefer that over mk3?

[mystic ether]

Only thing I don't like is that for those builds that I'm running, without a revolver I'm not using a lot else that's going to punch through big boys fast enough for my taste.

[mystic ether]

no, mk3 most days. I just haven't gotten a nicer set of mk4's to try out yet.

[dull stratus]

You sure? pretty sure I used it yesterday

[ornate bone]

Vet also gets the ability mods

[mystic ether]

each oone has had HORRIBLE rolls on damage and penetration.

[fading vale]

yes I am 100% sure you can't bleed bulwarks through their shield

[ornate bone]

You can buff your base damage by 15% for 10 seconds and uhhh

[mystic ether]

I'll try it rn.

[ornate bone]

I think the headshot one is 20%?

[mystic ether]

hell yes.

Yes.

Absolutely.

[dull stratus]

Its the punch not the normal attacks

[dull stratus]

^

[ornate bone]

You also specifically get a talent for 15% elite damage

Zealot doesn't get one

[fading vale]

if the punch does it that's hilarious but also pretty pointless

[dull stratus]

Its super situational

But its fun

[ornate bone]

I do need to run numbers on both my characters to see which one truly hits harder

[mystic ether]

Nah big brodius, just not a good idea when you're surrounded a lot for exmaple.

[bright zephyr]

i forgot the knife had a punch.... is it any goood?

[mystic ether]

It's a much more efficient heavy attack during some situations. much more economic than charging the heavy

[dull stratus]

Its a saviour when you need a quick push

[ornate bone]

I heard the punch stuns a rager after you hit a heavy

[mystic ether]

The followup is a heavy that fucks things up very well.

[ornate bone]

The same heavy, even

[fading vale]

it's very mid atm since the fix to rending not effecting stagger

[mystic ether]

mhm, but much faster in that exact context.

[ornate bone]

The normal heavy, punch heavy and push attack are the same

[bright zephyr]

ah nice, should try that.. i usually use the push-attack, seems to do nice damage plus pirece

[ornate bone]

For some reason

At least on the mk3 because I don't care for the mk6

[mystic ether]

When you get used to it, you're not going to not live without it in your arsenal.

It's nothing to scoff ayt.

[dull stratus]

Punch (with Lacerate) lets you bleed bulwarks through the shield and it can stunlock maulers with headshots but it is just a quick push effectively

[mystic ether]

The more micro adjustments you do as you get better with it makes it even nicer.

[ornate bone]

I suggest any sussy gamers to play knife vet

[mystic ether]

MK3 combat knife is fun

that is all.

[ornate bone]

One of the most fun things in the game alongside IAG psyker

[bright zephyr]

sussy? ^^

[ornate bone]

The sussiest bakas

[fading vale]

if punch actually bleeds through shield that is a bug, haven't heard anyone report that since the fix though but I doubt anyone has ever punched a bulwark shield

[bright zephyr]

ara ara

[mystic ether]

on psyker you can whiff normals to force whatever that one buff is for them for crits and mobility I think

can't quite tell because I forgot.

[dull stratus]

Fair its a niche interaction

[bright zephyr]

to be fair, i just learned, that chastise shreds armors, which makes it amazing agaisnt armored targets, just to learn, that it doesnt do that anymore ^^

[fading vale]

but it does do that

[bright zephyr]

not accortding to the dsescriüption

does give guranteed melee crit though

[fading vale]

the descriptions in this game are wrong

[bright zephyr]

frick x)

[dull stratus]

It treats all armor as one tier lower iirc

[fading vale]

it gives you armor downgrade on 1 melee hit or for 3 seconds on ranged, cara to flak, flak to unarmored

[mystic ether]

can use chastise to bust guard open though.

:>

[bright zephyr]

holy moly.. sohuld go bnack to chastise

[mystic ether]

punch them to death

...do it.

Why?

To prove a point

[fading vale]

yeah so basically with chastise any ranged can kill crushers

[mystic ether]

You're better. simple. punch them to death

[dull stratus]

The hidden Chastise "shoulder check" is my favorite hidden mechanic

[ripe quest]

A good number of talents have unlisted mechanics

[mystic ether]

daemonhost knife punch run

let's fucking go cowards

[azure mortar]

IAG psyker ?

[bright zephyr]

im already using some mod, that gives a more detailed description, and yet.. x)

[ripe quest]

Like Duellist's +100% critical weakspot damage, Judgement's buffs to dodges, Stalwart giving +2% toughness on any kill

kinda annoying but fun to find

[fading vale]

duellist I guess isn't entirely wrong, but it doesn't specifically say critical weakspot

just crit and weakspot

[dull stratus]

If you let your character impact the enemy you charge before you swing certain size enemies will get staggered like you tackled them.

It makes me laugh every time

[ripe quest]

Yee, if you understand how finesse bonuses work it's a given that it's +100% but to most people they just see it as the same as +finesse

[fading vale]

yeah it's misleading

[mystic ether]

I like it when games reward people or concisely/colloquially learning unmentioned stuff

fighting game moment

[dull stratus]

Veterans can peak over when aiming ranged weapons at cover they are hiding behind

[mystic ether]

feels good

[fading vale]

it's not great when the game simply gives you incorrect information

[mystic ether]

true

[fading vale]

like brutal momentum and deathblow

game says absolutely nothing

about what it does

or swift certainty

completely unrelated to dodging

[umbral kindle]

I feel like the game just assumes everyone came over from vermintide and knew every thing about it

[mystic ether]

if anytrhing the people that know vt2 in and out that deeply will just fill in the gaps, contradictions and all.

[fading vale]

or overpressure that says power

but it's not power

you have to check the code

to find the bug

[dull stratus]

Showstopper and Fan the Flames are 🔥🔥🔥

[craggy maple]

wow crusher is terrible against mutants

[mystic ether]

And also, some game mechanics don't always have to be illustrated, sometimes just felt before further awareness. not a code person but you got some calculations in games, say like guilty gear's older iterations of risc (shittiest explanation it's positive scaling on dmg releative to instances of forcing opponents to block). barely explained in the past and people figured it out but what it did was expand strategies and possibilities with characters following successful pressure scenarios. some characters could end up exploiting it more than others.

[dull stratus]

Thats so sad ngl

[fading vale]

crusher 2 shots mutants

[craggy maple]

? mine must be broken. I have the anti mutant talent and it takes me like 6 hits

even when charged

[mystic ether]

Purely speculative, but I'm willing to bet some things in games similar to darktide basically just forgo calculations that make sense to pretty much break the logic of the game to allow the interaction. Deliberately or coincidentally. whether or not its changed in whatever way is what ends up mattering more imo

[fading vale]

also showstopper does basically nothing, it's like 50 damage in a 3m radius and does more suppression

and fan also only helps vs crushers, nothing else

[dull stratus]

The crusher got a trash rework to be a headshot weapon its thunderhammer but mid in my opinion

[ornate bone]

Infantry autogun

[fading vale]

you can stunlock every enemy except crushers with flamer primary without fan

[ornate bone]

They got decent hipfire and you can make them crit well to proc empathic evasion

[ornate bone]

You can do phlog pyro shenanigans with it

[fading vale]

crusher is top 3 strongest zealot weapon rn

[fading vale]

@royal vortex teach them the error of their ways

[rustic lagoon]

(happy/evil mumbling)

[craggy maple]

Something seems wrong with mine. It's really weak =/

[fading vale]

josho will have a crusher guide coming out tomorrow

[mystic ether]

what do people do with flamers? I like them in concept but never really got one that felt like it was working properly/better than it could

[fading vale]

or soon

[mystic ether]

me like better understanding me weapons all the time

[royal vortex]

it should be done by tomorrow

[craggy maple]

kill mixed hordes, mostly.

Helps you isolate the dangerous mobs away from the horde

[dull stratus]

But with fan you make all the stagger your allies have WAY stronger so now every vet shout and psyker shriek ragdolls what ever you light on fire at longer ranges

[north sedge]

Josho's crusher guide will be out in 5 min

[fading vale]

flamer deletes mixed hordes and clears rooms

[mystic ether]

more on the perks and blessing side but thank you for the extended explanation. I figured that by doing it but almost never having the chance to really go nuts with it

[fading vale]

clear rooms of ranged enemies too

[royal vortex]

if you don't hit headshots or crit on a a mutie, esp without +maniac, it will feel bad

[mystic ether]

I like immolation-flamer stuff.

Pretty lights.

[craggy maple]

Also semi decent against ranged, since zealots have trouble dealing with ranged stuff that's shooting at them.

[fading vale]

I guess every time I've watched you hit muties you headshot lol

[royal vortex]

basically try to hit heads, esp with the heavy 1 or push attack

[dull stratus]

Showstopper explosions are pretty good at proccing too

[craggy maple]

ah, that explains it. It does terrible damage against the body of mutants.

Much sadface! Dx

[royal vortex]

if you chastise with a charged h1 you can one shot it

[covert blade]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[royal vortex]

muties are also prone to getting shot by teammates

[fading vale]

the only worthwhile flamer blessing right now is blaze away cause overpressure is bugged

[dull stratus]

Showstopper also affects your flame nades bc it just affects any enemies with burn stacks that you kill

[mystic ether]

blaze away the power on sustained pewpew yeah?

[fading vale]

showstopper is funny sure but its effect doesn't to much of anything

[fading vale]

yeah

[craggy maple]

Relying on teammates to do something? That's some weapons grade heresy.

[vocal pulsar]

@royal vortex where is the guide we demand the guide

[fading vale]

does fan apply a debuff? I thought it was just ignore

[vocal pulsar]

If I am not mentioned in the special thanks section, you will be firebombed

[royal vortex]

nah its just in live games unless u got lemmings, ppl will chunk em a lot of the time

[fading vale]

regardless would still only be for crushers

[royal vortex]

tomorrow

i am drinking tonight

i cannot upload it

[dull stratus]

It combos with fan the flames and staggers crowds of specials while I burn them to death during which I yell "SEE HOW THE WICKED BURN PILGRIMS"

[vocal pulsar]

Illegal

Not 21

[craggy maple]

Celebrating another Year of our Lord the God-Emperor.

[fading vale]

it only effects the puff

and the puff already staggers everything

[vocal pulsar]

Imprison this man

Boy*

[fading vale]

that's what I meant by primary

[dull stratus]

It applies a debuff to enemies that makes them take more stagger while also increasing the impact of primary fire

[fading vale]

I'm pretty sure it's not a debuff

[royal vortex]

[fading vale]

I could be mistaken I suppose, but never heard of it being a debuff

[royal vortex]

try me

[dull stratus]

I think it makes a debuff attached to the burn themselves stacks similar to the way showstopper does

[fading vale]

this is the first mention of it debuffing in 12 months so not sure

[dull stratus]

Well anything that makes the enemy take more damage or hinders the enemy is a debuff

There are lots

[fading vale]

and again showstopper only does like 50 base damage in a 3m radius

I'm pretty sure it just makes your puff ignore % hit mass

[dull stratus]

It does 100 damage per second

[fading vale]

showstopper does not do damage per second

it's an explosion

[dull stratus]

Are you really arguing with the guy who has used the same flamer for 800 hours? I know my kit bruh

[fading vale]

I am

[heavy arch]

i fucking

HATE

KNIFE ZEALOTS

[fading vale]

you are the only person who has ever said either of these things in 12 months

[dull stratus]

It leaves a glowing patch that produces light and applies burn that lasts 5 secconds

Its literally the only reason i used it in the first place i like fire spread mechanics.

[fading vale]

I've also never heard of any fire spread mechanics

[dull stratus]

Wildfire lmao

[fading vale]

ok if you want to bring another class talent into it

[dull stratus]

Its a firespread mechanic isnt it??? Lol I said I like firespread I meant it 🤣

[hushed knoll]

Are you going to watch the ball drop

[north sedge]

Showstopper doesn't spread fire

[hushed knoll]

Hi DJ Foivh

[north sedge]

Hello stanjamin

[dull stratus]

Oh it doesnt do burn stacks?

[north sedge]

It's a tiny explosion

[dull stratus]

I know it does dmg so i assumed it was the same as burn stacks

[fading vale]

I've literally said it's just a tiny explosion.....

[north sedge]

It's a very small amount of dmg in a small radius

[fading vale]

I'll prolly be asleep by then

[dull stratus]

Yeah it still gives me free stunlocks which is all I need it for

The other stuff is just a neat bonus

[fleet zealot]

flamer doesnt need stunlocks, it staggers/kills everything by default

[ripe quest]

It does 200 base damage in a medium sized area which varies based on what armor type is being hit. It also has faint stagger and a large AoE suppression when Showstopper procs.

[fleet zealot]

200 base damage + it has fall off

[sharp zodiac]

Ate a crab and it's family

[fleet zealot]

it's alright, and frankly doesn't matter on flamer cause overpressure is broken rn and giving ranged power

so it's just blaze away+ whatever you want

[ripe quest]

Please FS give it a better proc rate

[dull stratus]

I literally only take it to combo that explosion with fan the flames for a burst of stagger at a safer range than my combat knife affords

[fading vale]

but fan isn't doing anything unless you shoot the puff

[ripe quest]

It's somewhat funny that FtF doesn't apply to the firemode where you actually fan the flames

[fleet zealot]

fan isn't doing anything unless you are puffing

and if you are puffing, you aren't killing enough for showstopper to proc at full potential

just go blaze away+ one of your choices

plus, flamer already staggers most everything by default anyways, if not just killing outright especially when paired with chastise

[fading vale]

yes it would be nice if fan effected other things but

[fleet zealot]

yea, when you can one mag a crusher patrol, flamer doesn't need buffs, besides maybe make puff travel farther?

cause the only reason it's not really ran rn is cause of the threat of bombers/snipers etc

[dull stratus]

Maybe you could quit trying to tell me how to play my game. I have 1350 hours and I hear your reasoning but I quite frankly dont care about an extra 10-30% weapon performance when I already live the in Auric Maelstrom and life is good.

[ripe quest]

Also I don't think it has damage falloff

[ivory marlin]

That doesn’t look like a zealot

[fleet zealot]

All I did was post my fucking build and y’all went for my throat talking down on it like a bunch of toxic trolls you didn’t have to say anything if u don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything but naw y’all wanna be animals like every other troll and thru the safety of the internet you run your mouth and then talk smack about me it’s ridiculous and not fair of anyone to treat some one like that and u have the audacity to say I’m going thru somthing nah you and all the other trolls like you need to get over what your going thru and act right

[fleet zealot]

It may not have fall off now? idk, I just remember it used to behave like ogryn GG

[next trench]

...yes thats an ogryn

[ivory marlin]

Ah ok thanks

[fleet zealot]

where if the explosion wasn't a direct hit you suffered fall off that was pretty harsh

(showstopper explosion for newcomers to this discussion)

[fading vale]

we are just telling you how things actually work, take it as you will

[fleet zealot]

ya you can run anything you want

i'm not going to string you up the flag pole

[dull stratus]

Bro I was having a conversation about my flamer's blessings what the hell are talking about?

[fleet zealot]

it's a copy pasta

[tardy thicket]

heresy

[fleet zealot]

i have a whole collection

[fading vale]

you just didn't know what fan or showstopper actually did so, we told you, and you argued they did something different

[ripe quest]

From all the time I've tested it up to now it's just been base damage in a sphere and it cuts off immediately out of the radius

[fleet zealot]

yee that sounds better, is the radius still tiny

also, behold, my favorite copypasta

They very personally FUCK me.
-I always wanted Loadouts in Vermintide 2 and they NEVER implemented it.
-When they ported the most popular mods for Vermintide 2, they blatantly ignored the Loadouts mod which is easily top 5 most popular mod at the time.
-They messed with the game files organization with every patch until the modder refused to update it anymore out of frustration, killing modded loadouts for Vermintide 2.
-They released Darktide without loadouts.
-They finally implemented loadouts but limit you to only 5 per character for no other reason than "we made the HUD complicated for it and there's no more HUD space lol"
-They don't even let me have my 5 fucking loadouts because every 2-3 months they "ACCIDENTALLY" delete them.

SO YES I TAKE THIS VERY FUCKING PERSONALLY I WANT MY FUCKING LOADOUTS FOR FUCK'S SAKE OR GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

And YES this is the place to say this as at least 1 Darktide employee lurks here.

local gamer gets fucked by fatshark dev team

personally

[upbeat ermine]

Been floating around with different perks, been using Flak/Unyielding, anyone got any other opinions on what I should take?

[frozen glen]

happy new year

[frozen glen]

unyielding to maniac/elites

unyielding is fine tho

[fading vale]

don't get mad about the effects of blessings when we are trying to tell you what they actually do

[fleet zealot]

happy new year

may ur ferrets be less stinky

[fleet zealot]

emperor forbid the zealot discussion channel uses your post as a jumping board to talk more about the zealot class

literal dogpiling

i'm putting this in my youtube exposed video

[twilit blade]

on the mk 15 evis, does rampage alone give it enough cleave to feal good, or is savage sweep the play. In particular this is when pairing with shred for a crit build

[fleet zealot]

sweep isn't teh play cause 15 has a hard cleave cap of 4

[dull stratus]

It was mainly at ferret for telling me to change my flamer and how to change it twice in like 5 minutes

[fleet zealot]

on the light attacks

[twilit blade]

Gotcha

so sweep to rampage as soon as I get the mats

[fleet zealot]

so rampage+shred or rampage+ whatever works

yee

good looking evi

[twilit blade]

the damage is oof, but I can live with it for how easy it was to get

[fleet zealot]

I never said you had to change it

[ripe quest]

A bit, it's still flawed in that the AoE is only a tiny bit larger than the Flamer's coverage when hitting a group. You would need a weird edge case where you're hitting like, a patrol and some fodder or a stray elite gets too close to the sun.

[fleet zealot]

yee

i wish it was a larger explosion that applied fire stacks, instead of the tiny boom it is now

[upbeat ermine]

What's your reasoning Maniac/Elites? Would this push me over a breakpoint of some kind?

[ripe quest]

I'd be ok with it's current damage if it had a much higher proc rate

A problem is you'll occasionally get those edge cases and shit won't matter since it doesn't proc nearly enough

[frozen glen]

you hit maniac light attack breakpoints

[fading vale]

I kind of wish it was a lower chance on any enemy and had a better effect

[frozen glen]

elites is just to kill them faster

[ripe quest]

It only procs on fodder and it has crazy non-fodder ADMs

[frozen glen]

why are u guys still talking about the flamer

that weapon has been GARBAGE ever since the nerf

TRASH i tell u

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-storm-flame-on-human-torch-hot-fantastic-four-gif-14592967

[frozen glen]

wat da hell captain america had fire powers this whole time

[rustic lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

Oh wait, that's probably Psyker's Purgatus Staff.

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/great-teacher-onizuka-gif-25044670

[fleet zealot]

just like powersword

[native cargo]

It is indeed possible to play this game for hundreds of hours and learn nothing.

[torn stream]

happy new year, kindred

[twilit blade]

These mk15 lights feel so weird

[fading vale]

it's not even new years yet

USA is the only country

[zealous basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579428576453984257/1191220838826004551/111-1.png?ex=65a4a5db&is=659230db&hm=1f7cf10f22834dc89e4096b9c1f4e2225db78faa562e5792274f3fc7c74443a5&

[fleet zealot]

yee

[twilit blade]

Like I actually think I hate it

they are like, so slow and weirdly spaced in their timing

they don't feel like they have a good flow at all

[royal vortex]

the l4 has a separate damage profile from the other 3 lights

btw

and the push attack chains straight to it

[ripe quest]

yee better damage worse cleave

[royal vortex]

yop

[exotic portal]

weekly contracts are not showing progression

[minor sage]

U S A

To be fair

No other country has freedom

And guns

[fiery ingot]

is there any way to check shotty slug damage at the attack breakdowns tab?

[fleet zealot]

iirc slug is identical to the normal shot, just assumes all pellets hit

if not, i'd try hovering the special action or someone ehre might know more

[fading vale]

it's definitely not identical

[fiery ingot]

agri slug is def not identical

[karmic sparrow]

Crit knife with cooldown reduction is 👌

[rustic lagoon]

No way. I found an official Davis Law Firm Agripinaa Autogun. I say that because the ammo is 44/444, and there's a lawyer in my state (Texas) that's famous for the number 4.

There's only one number to remember: 4!

It's not in my collection, just something I found browsing through the Armory Exchange.

[craggy maple]

lol

Does the Law Firm deal with Heretics?

[fiery ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-ayasan-gif-24417537

[ripe quest]

It'd be better if knife had decent cleave values. Was so funny seeing a video of some guy being like "guys look this is insane CDR" and he was getting only 6 seconds off per swing.

Can't even ult spam with it

[eager epoch]

what to do w this?

[random berry]

kill heretics

[ripe quest]

Swap +Fodder to +Maniac. For blessings you can either grab Savage/Rampage (general use) or Shred/Rampage (people like it for crit build).

[fiery ingot]

id swap melee to maniac and wait until get savage sweep 4 to upgrade that blessing

[ripe quest]

SS to T4 is a small difference

It's like, 1 extra fodder enemy

[hushed knoll]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

[crude lake]

^

[maiden path]

man fuck da new year!!

im getting new bear

[spare blaze]

can anyone explain what finesse is? im stuck between decapitator 4 and Thrust 4 for the mk 8 combat axe

[fiery ingot]

i wish i could be a bear

[vocal pulsar]

Finesse is swing speed, crit DMG and weakspot dmg

[ivory pumice]

if you inspect the weapon and hover over the bars, it'll tell you exactly what each stat does

[zinc talon]

so pickyerbrayn time

experience, obviously is

the keeper

so what do you d otot hte other two

[royal vortex]

dont listen to my jar

he LIES

[sterile basalt]

Unless specified otherwise, finesse is weakpoint & crit damage

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/finesse-gif-10400611

[spare blaze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/729535782217449605/1077819607215255603/ADACFD7A-8392-4B49-921A-58F8254D6ADC.gif

[mossy lodge]

happy new year people

guys

what perks should i use for this?

[spare blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-nas-x-nickb-pregnant-speech-bubble-gif-25238772

[mossy lodge]

cursed

[ripe quest]

Flak/Maniac.

That's a pretty solid Crit Eviscerator

[mossy lodge]

what maniac for?

[ripe quest]

Dreg Ragers mostly.

[maiden path]

hello zealot chat

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-gif-meme-toy-story-whats-good-buzz-lightyear-gif-26344526

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-soder-nsfw-gif-11562265057854603990

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-soda-ok-soryr-kid-havr-your-sode-back-star-wars-gif-21731582

[mossy lodge]

are maniacs our enemy?

are they our weakness?

🤣

[maiden path]

i fought a maniac once and their nurgle tentacle slid down my pants and I got scared

[mossy lodge]

but why manic tho

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-male-model-gif-11945749

[maiden path]

guys they gave everyone a 1000 aquila gift as a new year present

log in now

[lucid dune]

I feel violated and used when the team makes me collect 490 plasteel by myself...

[mossy lodge]

son unos malditos idiotas xD

[mossy lodge]

??

[median crow]

I hate that even through all this shit I still know exactly where this is from a glance

[maiden path]

trust

[mossy lodge]

WHY YOU LIE TO YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS??

[maiden path]

funey

[mossy lodge]

TO THE WARP WITH YOU!

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[coarse birch]

finally got around to making a good crusher (trauma to be replaced)

[lucid dune]

Fighting ragers with a devil's claw is fun. =)

[random berry]

headtaker 4 on second hammer roll, not bad

[median crow]

just had a psyker and ogryn teammate clutch the fuck out and survive 5+ minutes duo on hi int damn dogs, vs three hordes + BoN + elite waves and multile bulwark waves. was insanely skilled, up and down stairs for like 2m of perfect kiting. they actually managed to win it and were about to rez the team. then the game spawned 7 ragers at once and it didn't matter anymore and we wiped. fun

[buoyant pecan]

Yea Ogyrn and Pysker are just that awesome

[vestal coyote]

Just curious but is speedload on the zarona worth a damn at all

I wondered if it would be fun to try

but I don't even know what counts as a "close" kill either

[north sedge]

No

Surgical and handcannon are basically inseparable

[olive raven]

^^ yea you like need hc and surgical for it to be great

[vestal coyote]

I figured

I mean I don't use it for close-up anyway

I was mostly just curious if it had any value at all

[polar nexus]

I may be late to the party but lolwut? https://youtu.be/quzx-5nm0Gg?si=JLlRE25ovH0br3U3

[olive raven]

“Hand cannon bad cuz degrades armor so gunners don’t get one tapped”

when it exists to kill armor

[craggy python]

what?

[delicate shadow]

not gonna lie that dude's voice makes my ears bleed

[craggy python]

dont gunners get 1 tapped by revolvers no matter what?

[delicate shadow]

surgical should, yeah

[celest cave]

I mean, youtube guides and videos.

[craggy python]

i have both surgical and roulette revolvers with hand cannon, and i prefer roulette more because i dont reload LMAO

but surgical is very nice if i ever feel like aiming. ive just never had a problem with them

roulette with the fanning revolver is nice though

[polar nexus]

The tldr of this video is use surgical + crucian because hc will only be useful on the one enemy

And you have to take some vet perks to milk it

[craggy python]

that actually sounds like good advice but

crit is crit

[polar nexus]

I am inclined to test. It's not that hard.

[craggy python]

no like, if im going to crit anyway, why do i need to waste a blessing on it

its either keep aiming for surgicial or pray to the god emperor with roulette

[hallow hatch]

hes honestly speaking facts, more crit= more consistent damage

but to each their own

[craggy python]

i use the revolver to pick off elites from far away

[hallow hatch]

im gonna use surgical with rending on zealot

[craggy python]

the melee is the consistent damage for zealot

[hallow hatch]

if i was to play veteran ill play cruican with surgical

thanks for posting the video keet

[celest cave]

I mean, how he proves that? Rending just makes armor part less effective or adds up 1% more dmg per 4% of rending above 100%. So it just straight up more dmg.

[drifting wolf]

im still going to use hand cannon cause it sounds cooler and i'm not farming for another decent revolver because it's probably going to get obliterated in 2 months

[polar nexus]

I use surgical + hc on psyker, vet and zeal lol

[polar nexus]

Well you have to watch the video. I can understand his point but hmm I feel I like the idea of rending too

[delicate shadow]

surgical+crucian is silly to me when stacking srugical to max is pretty quick

[polar nexus]

Maybe that helps you not having to wait for the max

And so you can find some kind of groove?

I don't mind not using hand Cannon if the main benefit I get is only on crushers

I am not saying he's right tho but that's at least interesting to try

[devout pasture]

Honestly this man dont understand how horde-coop games works and how dmg works and сultivates an audience of useless ppl with trash builds and rolls on weapons, thats is said bad macro building

[warm trellis]

does damage matter for zealot flamer or is the same deal as purg and you can dump it

I suspect so but I might as well ask

[craggy python]

afterburn baby

[celest cave]

Only burn matter and cloud radius a bit.

[drifting wolf]

i've heard around here that it's mostly cloud radius and burn that you want as high as possible

[warm trellis]

76 burn specifically

seems to be the same point where it gets to 15 stacks

[drowsy steppe]

Food for thought

[polar nexus]

😄

[ripe quest]

I feel like this video wouldn't exist if the guy didn't have a shitty revolver

"guys it doesn't 1 shot the scab rager on bodyshot" wow maybe if you had like, perks or something you could change to hit that BP

[drifting wolf]

specialist and crit damage 🤯

[polar nexus]

The idea of more consistent criting is interesting

[ripe quest]

Once overpressure gets fixed

[warm trellis]

hmm?

[ripe quest]

It doesn't do anything other than buff the direct damage of your fire

It doesn't buff the DoT

[warm trellis]

the fuck else do you take then

all of these blessings suck

(I want showstopper to be good but I know its not)

[ripe quest]

That is indeed the conundrum. Best bet is probs Quickflame but honestly it doesn't matter a whole lot

I'm personally a Showstopper enjoyer since it's essentially a cosmetic lol

[warm trellis]

oh yeah also whats the good relic talent side

or do you just take neither becauses "lmao 5 pulses who has time for that"

[solar pine]

what sorta blessings do we like on the thammer?

[warm trellis]

been told headtaker thrust

[drowsy steppe]

I can see the idea for it on the new Revolver

On the old rev you can 1 tap gunners with just Surgical and Flak already

[ornate bone]

Yeah

[mossy lodge]

wnat to change it for mine?

i want that one xD

[tawny latch]

sure bud take it XD

[ornate bone]

Mmmmm block efficiency

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/neo-blocks-ethereum-mining-block-gif-20563596

[ornate bone]

How the scabs feel when player blocks are 360 degrees

[night cypress]

dodge

[ember yew]

how new players feel when trying to attack bulwark from the front

[ripe quest]

That Revolver video has actually improved my understanding of revolver by making me check BPs with various perks in mind

On paper it seems like Flak is somewhat low impact

Yet in practice it's helpful since the BPs are a bit narrow to hit

hmmm

It feels as though Flak Maniac Unyielding and Carapace each hit like, 1-2 enemies for BPs and +Elites isn't enough to substitute them

So you just have to like, pick 2 sets of said enemies and just cry about the other two sets

[tame mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/vote-baku-baku-vote-vote-baku-gif-19957872

[drifting wolf]

i watched some of his other videos and i can't tell if he's actually onto something or is just unbelievably arrogant

[warm trellis]

idk if he was running crit damage for demo purposes or if he actually doesnt know its shit

does one test for boss damage "it will give you on average 30% more"

mfer you did one test you literally cant average one test

[ornate bone]

The average of 1 is 1

Checks out to me

[olive raven]

you can take an average… it’s just not good

[warm trellis]

[delicate shadow]

yeah idk I'm yet to see a yter excepting telopots that actually knows their shit

[warm trellis]

pretty much

[delicate shadow]

in terms of yters that make guide content and shit I mean

[ornate bone]

Same

Reminds me of this meme video I saw that was just shitting on all the keystones and talking about their worst quality
When a keystone doesn't need to be active 24/7 to be good

It just needs to be active when you need it

[ripe quest]

I feel like I'm at a point in game knowledge where I can essentially just find out what I need to know manually in the time it takes to find a video to explain it. If I don't want to I can just ask the Zel-Chat denizens that I trust to farm free info.

For the past month it's felt like every yter video has just been incorrect, biased, or improperly tested information riddled into a standard youtuber script

[delicate shadow]

classic YT tbh

cesspool platform

[abstract venture]

Does ANYBODY use the Accatran las pistol whatsoever?

[ripe quest]

yeah

It's fun

[abstract venture]

I found a godly 377

80% all but mobility with IV Infernus

W?

[ripe quest]

What are the perks?

[abstract venture]

15% to infested

Already swapped second with 5% crit

[ripe quest]

What was it prior to it being swapped

[ornate bone]

Correct

[abstract venture]

Not sure wasn't worth keeping imo was lvl1 reload speed or something

[ornate bone]

Yt videos are inherently biased
And a lot of content creators are not good at explaining their points properly

Self experimentation is always going to be the best way to do it unless someone does hard math

Because how most yt videos show it is

[cursive plaza]

hi guys, I'm trying to out dps my pro vet mate, can u guys pls tell me how u would optimise this build? (sorry for poor cropping of talent tree lol)

[ornate bone]

"here's a clip of it, ergo I'm right"

It's like reddit
You have people who swear that every keystone sucks and they're made to trap people

[buoyant pecan]

I like crit chance on my laspistols.
Flak and Maniac for the 2nd slot options

[ornate bone]

But then you have people who can math out exact breakpoints

And prove that they're useful in certain scenarios

[fluid wren]

What are the best blessings/perks for a combat knife?

[abstract venture]

Same stuff for the heavy las pistol?

[ornate bone]

Bleed + something else usually

[buoyant pecan]

Yea but I've only used it on vet.

[ripe quest]

iirc current MG II setup is Dumdum/Infernus with Flak + whatever suits your fancy. Dumdum + Raking Fire is also popular.

[ornate bone]

I like the bleed on normal non crit hits myself

[buoyant pecan]

Uncanny if I'm not mistaken for the other

[ripe quest]

Uncanny + Precog for raw damage.

[fluid wren]

I a m running lacerate and uncanny strike

[ripe quest]

Out of either bleed blessing you want Flesh Tearer, though bleed just kinda isn't as potent compared to what other blessings offer. I'd prioritize perks over changing between bleed blessings though.

[abstract venture]

I'm running that critically perfected build by some fella on YT so just looking to change up my ranged as a support for taking some targets down before mowing hoards, revolver is nice but feels lacking on ammo so this heavy las pistol and bolter are feeling decent but I'm not sure which blessings+perks are my ideal

[ripe quest]

It'd be kinda cool if they just made Knife have it's own unique DoT rather than sharing bleed stacks. Often Scourge will give enough on anything it matters on.

[ripe quest]

In pins there's a fairly fresh weapon setup guide. It's super loose though so you need to pick on preference with most weapons.

[abstract venture]

Ahh okay thank you I'll give it a look

[ripe quest]

Normal knife users vs. bleed knife users fr

even the knife people don't like the knife people it's so funny

[olive raven]

Rule of thumb, if there are two similar blessings and one that’s different, it’s meant to be The different one + Another

[ripe quest]

I'd probs swap +Critical Hit Damage on the laspistol to +Flak or +Elites. Your build is fairly normalish, I'd personally swap Enduring Faith to Second Wind since your toughness gain is going to be mostly from ults with your current setup. Gives some extra padding and pairs with Duellist's proc. You could alternatively drop the crit stuff (keep Shred on the Evis) and grab some stuff from the coherency clusters.

[olive raven]

Like hammer is Thrust/ Headtaker or Slaughterer

[ripe quest]

Depends on the weapon a bit. That same rule doesn't apply to Chaxe.

[cursive plaza]

tyvm

[polar nexus]

Well it's still useful in the way it gives me another perspective on stuff I would otherwise do not question

Telopots knows his shit, clearly but he's also the first to say "don't use my build"

[drowsy steppe]

It does give me some new perspective and Im not to shy away from non standard opinions lmao

[polar nexus]

Even though he could be a bit less arrogant.

[drowsy steppe]

I dont find it troubling

[polar nexus]

It can stop people from watching the video

[lean lark]

gave the dog a smooch

[polar nexus]

To be fair, I don't mind and I'll certainly test that on my characters.

[polar ridge]

i feel like the zealot tree just makes no sense

needs a rework tbh

[fading vale]

what

I mean there are a lot of bad talents I guess

only things I would rework rework would be removing blitz from the tree

and maybe auras

[lean lark]

mix&matching completely overrules the "subclasses" themselves

so there never is a point to like

going fully one side

because mix&matching will always be better

[fading vale]

which is a good thing

[lean lark]

not entirely

since it means that specifically going one build type gives diminishing returns

but im probably just used to playing games that are class-heavy/dependant

so this is just a biased take

[olive raven]

tbh I’ve never really seen someone go full subclass on zealot

Going full right side or full left is like unheard of

[twin wagon]

I go mostly middle most of the time

Then just finish different

[fresh nacelle]

hows the new laspistol on zealot?

[twin wagon]

Psyker has barely any variation on their builds outside of gun psyker
Ogryns tend to build the same outside of glugger

[olive raven]

Both laspistols are generally good weapons

[surreal marlin]

best perks for kantrael combat shotty/

??/

[olive raven]

Flak maniac

Could toss elites or unyielding as well

[ember yew]

Pretty average, 3 ammo cost aka more power but slower aspd, does not normally works with Full auto mod -> requires manual inputs for maximum attack speed. Good with Infernus, bad with Ghost (again, attack speed without F is bad)

[abstract venture]

Unfortunately rolled speedload as second blessing

[olive raven]

I mean

Speed load to dumdum

[gray ice]

Infernus is honestly not particularly great unless it's a boss

[olive raven]

Swap crit chance to uhhhh

[gray ice]

Most stuff dies too quickly

[olive raven]

Flak or unyielding tbh

That’s the only way I see to salvage the gun

[abstract venture]

Swapped crit chance onto it to hit Infernus 😔

Only have my 1 change left

[gray ice]

Crit on laspistol is fine

Though I'd personally probably do maniac

[abstract venture]

Was either swapping speedload for dumdum or infested for flak

[olive raven]

yea it’s fine I just generally prefer a base damage increase personally

[olive raven]

Get dumdum

[gray ice]

Change speed to dumdum if you wanna keep it

[abstract venture]

Would rather have dumdum over flak if I have infested already

[olive raven]

Blessings are more important than perks 99% of the time

[abstract venture]

Not a main gun anyway it's good for running heresy for the challenges

Enjoy the bolter 100x more

[olive raven]

Infested isn’t great but DumDum gives extra damage towards everything so

[abstract venture]

Dumdum is definitely better than speedload lol

[ember yew]

or you can just scrap it for Infernus IV

[drowsy steppe]

VINBERT

[gray ice]

So sad perfect base stat roll ends up like that

[olive raven]

@gray ice weird idea but what about having a color key for which things to take in most cases

[drowsy steppe]

HAPPY NEW YEAR VINBERT

[gray ice]

Happy new year melon lord

[drowsy steppe]

HAPPY NEW YEAR LEUXY

[abstract venture]

I could but the 80% rolls 😞

[olive raven]

Ja, godt nytår

[abstract venture]

Need to salvage into something decent

[olive raven]

It’s still usable tbh

[ember yew]

that was a joke, but yeah, feel free to use that if have dumdum unlocked

[gray ice]

I thought about something like this but I was just focused on finishing the stupid thing while I had time

[olive raven]

That’s fair

[abstract venture]

Need to wait for dumdum to pop into melks

[gray ice]

Further edits and shite can be done down the line

[abstract venture]

Tbf my chainsword is also suboptimal I need to scrap the whole thing once I get the blessings

Just relying on melky to hit me up with some good stuff

[ember yew]

you have four chainsword to choose from, also watch the normal shop for 360+ stuff

[gray ice]

@drowsy steppe did you do anything fun for new years or other holidays

[abstract venture]

I usually check everything on reset and I'll be using the mk XV with this build

[olive raven]

just gimme edit access trust

[abstract venture]

Build relies on crits to give me fury of the faithful and martyrdom for crazy swing speed so XV with lights works best

Was thinking I could use a MK I catachan sword or something else with quick lights good damage

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-iam-abir82-liverpool-kick-kick-kid-gif-22437195

[drowsy steppe]

Me and my lil bro was visiting my cousin who's doing some frontyard cooking. Was fun as hell and played fuckin UNO while just conversate

[median steeple]

God I love those random ass rdr2 gifs

[drowsy steppe]

Grilled Corn are delicious ngl

[gray ice]

Ayyy that's awesome

We grilled for Christmas and there was a whole lotta baking

Not the pastry kind

[ember yew]

chainsword mk13 is also insane

[gray ice]

You ever have Mexican street corn?

[ember yew]

however this is a crit build

if you want quick lights

[drowsy steppe]

Nah I have not tried any Mexican food

[ember yew]

after many tests i scrapped Shred for Wrath (in crit build)

[drowsy steppe]

I gotta try one of them Tacos when I actually find a vendor for it lmao

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

I'm so sorry

[gray ice]

Now scrap wrath for sweep and you've come full circle

[abstract venture]

Happy to share my build I likely will have wrath and shred but savage sweep also gives crazy cleave

[ember yew]

Savage Sweep can provide some meme situations, im better with Wrath for time being

[gray ice]

Meme? What

[abstract venture]

Shred + Savage sweep combo currently lmao

[native cargo]

O.o

[ember yew]

When you cant pierce targets with maulers or whatever stacked there

and get Savage stack

with 4+ attacks per second

wrath is pretty comfortable to use

[abstract venture]

Bolter go brr on maulers

[ember yew]

but if someone more comfortable with savage its ok

[gray ice]

I feel like that a pretty rare occurrence, I guess wrath can be better specifically for elite packs

You just have to deal with it being sorta wonky everywhere else

[abstract venture]

Elite packs eat a fire grenade ideally but I've been stuck on some packs of 6+ maulers and it do hurty

Might need to mess with wrath see the hype for myself

[ember yew]

try both and see what you like more

[gray ice]

Ranged typically softens that up I don't generally engage a mauler pack with only melee

Unless I have something good at staggering or really high burst

[abstract venture]

Hopefully this laspistol with dumdum will do good at dropping some of the heavy flak boys

[ember yew]

im doing something like moving hordes and stunlocking maulers in the process

as you can see with elites killed

for lone maulers i just shoot them with pistol

but in a horde you basically focus on horde with a positioning to also hit maulers

they get stunlocked

its kinda sad that chainsword mk13 is just a better overall version of mk IV

[abstract venture]

What's your other blessing with wrath I'm definitely interested in doing a mk13 the same as yours ‼️

[ember yew]

you can see them

just dont forget this is a crit build and no TWBS

substitute - Ghost

[abstract venture]

I also run crit build with martyrdom keystone

I do know some that use piety but they don't differ too much

[ember yew]

it is a piety build (in my case), im not sure if you would have enough crit procs without it, that's why mardyrdoms use Shred

to compensate for it and get enough procs for Chastise reset

[abstract venture]

How high do you buff swing speed without martyrdom because i can get some pretty quick swings after fury of the faithful

[zinc talon]

should swap chastise for +melee dmg chorus and go just as ham on the crit cooldown procs

transcend to using bible thump every room and every other pack

[abstract venture]

More hits = More crits is my thinking

[zinc talon]

bring a max cleave stompa like crusher and reject single target damage

or the new evis

when you drop your cooldown from 60 secs to maybe 50 cuz +cooldown aura and then crit every other swing

hitting 4 targets apiece is like, 10% of the non-buffed cooldown

cleave half a horde before you bible thump them a second time

and have it ready for what's next by the end

let's not forget that's like, twelve seconds of freedom for your team to work too

every thirty seconds if the crits come easily

[ember yew]

i gave up on chorus builds with pugs, because its roulette every time and often people aint do anything when you chorus

[zinc talon]

I guard my thumpin jealously

I run off and use it alone on purpose

how's it feel now mister runner offer idiot

but jokes aside, regardless of whether they're helpinhg or not

you just pushed pause on a third to half of the entire spawn count the director can throw at you

the advantage of being able to set the pacing of your fights is the biggest bonus to chorus

it's just not something you can measure or have scoreboard give you a 200 offense score on so people don't know it exists

[ember yew]

i should try chorus spam knife build, but that's something in the distant future as i don't have a single knife

[zinc talon]

total chad move

sell your knives and your mental health will improve

[ember yew]

french motivated

[zinc talon]

french can be such a beautiful language

I was actually tempted to dust off the ironhelm and try using it for crit CD chorus myself

cleaves well enough, nopes heavies well enough

and it keeps your attack combo order preserved through powering up

so you don't default back to the start of your combos every fuckin time

[ember yew]

it would be fun if they allowed power attack to cleave flak and maniac too

but thats too op

[zinc talon]

it cleaves flak I thought

just not specials

[ember yew]

i mean specs, ye

[zinc talon]

yeah if only

crusher will especially powered up

[ember yew]

so you just run to that gunner patrols

and sweep them in one swing

clean up the floor

[zinc talon]

but it's more cc and skull stacks than damage

yeah crusher does that amazingly well

because the blast discharge suppresses

and sends the whole gunner pack straight to cowering

and if any of em are firing, even if it doesn't damage them it'll still jostle their shooting

and lay skull stacks

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cheems-bonk-doge-celestev69-gif-24399197

[zinc talon]

I cannot overstate how much the crusher is the best melee zealots have

but then the baboons in here start shrieking and flingin their feces

which, fine, go sweat yourself rancid and give your mouse hand early onset arthritis with the knife or tac axe or whatever you enjoy

matchmake and jump into a match

cuz if you do match and join, you can't join my game

win/win/win

[abstract venture]

Chainsword lights go brr

Crit crit crit crit brrr brain-dead zealot plays

[zinc talon]

I made myself an OG chainaxe built with all the components of a 1h chainsword

the light auto saw is just fantastic

[abstract venture]

Zealot is just ogryns shouty cousin

[ember yew]

i like how easily you can just dispatch bulwarks and maniacs, ignoring whatever there is around

[zinc talon]

okri is a shout slab, they're my people

which is why I sit in here half the time to raise the average iq up to a level that won't get the server confiscated by federal agents

[ember yew]

but if every monkey will run crusher

it will get nerfed

trust me elf main glaive gain

[zinc talon]

big werd mayk smoov brayn glaze ovur

heh, my second most played was spear max niumbleness handmaiden

behind ironbreaker

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

the glaive

[zinc talon]

to act as off sometimes main tanjk

[ember yew]

and now they dumped on dual daggers and sword and dagger too

[zinc talon]

that shield spear combo, I wish I'dn ever reinstalled just to see how things were going and used that out of curiostiy

[ember yew]

all that's left for me is dualswords

[zinc talon]

I was happier in ignorance

yknow I didn't use it like a lot lot but the standard sized sword always put in solid work

[ember yew]

i think i used it a lot in Vermintide 1

[zinc talon]

the copy paste sword that's now the heavy sword in darktide too

[ember yew]

but for some reason never used it in VT2

well VT1 is a more tactical beast

its not that spammy in terms of hordes and specials

well Vermintide 3: 40k edition is pretty good

[zinc talon]

love at first sight for me

[ember yew]

hope they implement new games modes like Chaos Wastes or something JUST.NOT.WINDS.OF.MAGIC

[zinc talon]

when I heard the bardin-sounding voice choice for ogryn back in beta first making a character I knew immediately my destiny was set in stone and laid out before me

smallest ogryn you can make CUZ OKRI IS A DWARF GET IT HES A FANTASY DWARF, shield, put enemy on ass til you run out of enemies

PERTEC

LIDLWUNS

[ember yew]

Yeah, all the old voice actors are here and it's great to hear SALTspyer and the others

[zinc talon]

see it baffles me why it's so commonly held the actors didn't come to darktide

kerillian is fuckin obvious

and salty is iconic

maybe I'm mis remembering and it's just my ogryn voice that isn't bardin himself, but some other guy that sounds really similar

[ember yew]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/n7w72ryah88c1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1703469600&s=e08969eee9af85904a11d7524ee3856b9fd99486#t=0

[zinc talon]

I accept your assertion but I do not agree or believe in it

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

yes

yes you do need help

[ember yew]

average pub psyker experience

[zinc talon]

hilarious though

I will go to my grave spending hours finding ways to do lewd shit like this

not because I want to be lewd or am lewd

but because it makes it awkward for everyone else

[ember yew]

well this is aint FF XIV, but its funny for memes

[zinc talon]

the more awkward they feel, the less awkward I am yknow

whatcha meann

[ember yew]

theres some roleplay FF XIV servers that focus on ERP

tho i was just a hardcore raider, but it was hilarious either way

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-in-philadelphia-naked-pics-online-where-disgusting-meme-mac-gif-22972301

this and the implication are prolly my favorite scenes in always sunny

the episode about the cat food before bed, cuz it makes you feel terrible and you just want to go to sleep, before the horde of cats comes and they keep you up all night

genius comedy

diseased genius, but genius all the same

never touched any of the FF mmos myself

I didn't like the way the franchise restyled itself after about FF 8

and I played every american release since the original on the NES

1, 2, 3, 7, 8 I think

11 if that was the tidus one

Final Fantasy 8 is the best FF ever made and will never be topped, I you will not change my mind I will die on this hill

[ornate bone]

new chain axe is great

tried it vs the earlier version

but the horde clearing lights and the overhead heavies
perfection

[native cargo]

For a week on new chaxe release I liked using it. I returned to crusher since it's my main bae

[ornate bone]

mood

Been using Momentum to help with its kinda awful dodge distance

usually I run with mk4 sword, or heavy sword

but I like most zealot weapons anyway

Only thing I don't fancy atm is heavy evis 😔

[native cargo]

I run momentum with everything atm. I enjoy most weapons I just get huge amounts of dopamine when I flail everything around in hordes

[ornate bone]

I usually run momentum

but fury for thunder hammer atm