zealot-class

[drowsy steppe]

Nerd

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/2-pixel-sad-moxie-gif-7814315665172989526

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-toothless-cas-van-pool-memes-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-6987693982726633206

[ripe quest]

@fleet zealot

[sharp zodiac]

Back to making a guy with absolutely zero mobility work after playing two classes who've been nothing but mobility, sounds familiar to the 3 classes I've played here

[north sedge]

[craggy maple]

"Hey, you. You're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there."

[spare dome]

oh

the emp gifted me a 542

what atrocity awaits mine eyes i wonder

yknow what big e

ur alright

[craggy maple]

Praise the Emprah

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[ornate bone]

Simp

[rustic lagoon]

Everytime my character says "Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!" I imagine The Emperor is just like "Woah chill, buddy."

[spare dome]

i been digging bolter lately

ngl

[vocal pulsar]

I like bolter

There are statistically better options

[craggy maple]

"Why is everyone sending me so much blood? I don't need that much blood transfusions and the skulls are literally everywhere now." -Big E.

[royal vortex]

columnus brauto or bust

[vocal pulsar]

But bolter does enough for me

[spare dome]

not when the statistic you wanna fulfill is dumping 15 bolter rounds in 2 and a half seconds

[mental coral]

risk of rain

[spare dome]

only bolter do that

[mental coral]

didn't they swap devs or wte

and now its going to go to shit

thats what I heard

[frosty herald]

I would like bolter more if its ads was bracing it and didnt fire 1 shot upon ads

[royal vortex]

we need bolter variants

[ornate bone]

I want a bolter tbat doesn't have a fire mode switch when right-clicking

[frosty herald]

REAL!!!!

[ornate bone]

Because apparently the tip of the stock has a magical fire mode selector

[frosty herald]

THIS MF SPITTIN🗣️🗣️🗣️

[spare dome]

i want the bolter to be

hmmm

how to word this

[frosty herald]

We need the light and heavy variant

[spare dome]

the trauma staff to the voidstrike

bolter to the plasma

[ornate bone]

I want

I FUCKING WANT

[royal vortex]

for every person who complains about draw speed i want them to make it take longer to pull out

[ornate bone]

A PUMP-ACTION SHOTGUN

[spare dome]

lmao

[frosty herald]

Also we need light plasma variant thats automatic

[spare dome]

pull speed dont bother me none anyway

just toss that knife

[ornate bone]

How about I take longer to pull out mf

Hoe ass

[royal vortex]

every vet who complains about it needs to be forced to only use exe stance

[spare dome]

make a variant that reloads one round at a time

[royal vortex]

triple the reload speed

force you to assemble the gun before every use

[spare dome]

gotta stack your own mags

[ornate bone]

Then I will be spiteful and use autopistol with my exec stance

Bitch

ok and?

Watch my literal nothing get multiplied by 25%

[royal vortex]

exe stance has +impact

u can stagger to ur hearts content

[frosty herald]

People complaining about bolter pullout use it in the wrong situation

No i am not talking about your mothers calm down

[spare dome]

me casually dodging three crushers as i slowly whip it out

[royal vortex]

bolter is one of those guns that u use as a primary or u have to suffer the consequences

like helbores

part of the vibe is the long pullout time cuz how it functions

[frosty herald]

Hellbore fucks hard

Just use the increased charge with consecutive shots

[north sedge]

Man anyone else feel like flamer weak?

[spare dome]

nope

[south folio]

do not invoke their presence

[frosty herald]

Dough shush

[spare dome]

oh hell yea

got a meaty maelstrom

[royal vortex]

dough. no.

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-am-not-going-to-hear-you-out-hear-me-out-sheep-flames-fe-studio-gif-26478875

[sharp zodiac]

It's still going strong

Not sure where you've heard that from

[mental coral]

Well the game is still good

but the development studio is uh

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[frosty herald]

Gearbox took over risk of rain

[gray ice]

Zealot Weapon Table
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBkqp8riLAVbdL0qiIR0ATrFYvAEcxLJoiqvPYfZbhQ/edit#gid=1428201414

@unborn depot The deed is done. Can ya unpin the old one and throw this one up

[unborn depot]

Absolute chad

[craggy maple]

Neat

[open pollen]

Vin? More like Win amirite?

[gray ice]

That's a weight off my back

[craggy maple]

oh no, where's flesh tearer from combat knife?

Much sad

[gray ice]

we'll stick with vin, but we'll put your suggestion up to the committee

[frozen glen]

wat da hell

who put lacerate on there

[craggy maple]

ikr?

[mental coral]

wheres fleshtearer

fucking fake guide

[craggy maple]

Fake and potentially the xenosexual. We must bring out the Heavy Flamers.

[brisk raft]

Is that good or bad?

[frosty herald]

Bad

[brisk raft]

Oh nos

[frosty herald]

Gearbox is owned by 2k

[open pollen]

Ah hell, the folks who botched Aliens: Colonial Marines?

[mental coral]

from the creators of borderlands 3

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[frosty herald]

https://www.eurogamer.net/2k-under-fire-for-adding-unskippable-in-game-ads-to-the-full-price-nba-2k21-a-month-after-release

[craggy maple]

You laugh but all those bleed stacks are going to kill that cat.

[open pollen]

Ah, sport ball juicers.

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-withers-no-noo-gif-6455368871201756432

Also vin the lack of lines for each weapon, or at the very least for each row will forever be marked in ZelChat history

[open pollen]

Now I can retroactively say my failure to play Risk of Rain was actually a noble act of protest

[ripe quest]

Your loss.

[brisk raft]

I enjoyed RoR2

Played Warp Spawn a lot when it came out

Void*

[ripe quest]

RoRR and RoR2 are fantastic games in the genre

[misty raven]

Depends. Gearbox has some good stuff under them.

[minor sage]

It was fun but as a roguelike I think it's worse than 1

I hated the gameplay cycle of recyclers and duplicators

[open pollen]

Only roguelike I've been playing is Star of Providence

Unless you count Peglin

[ripe quest]

I feel like printers are very solid for balance but being able to scrap stuff can make it very cheeseable.

[open pollen]

Honestly, I've lost the plot a bit as to what qualifies as roguelike

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-deal-with-it-whatever-idgaf-gif-20828203

[ornate bone]

Rogue's abs

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[late birch]

All those homosexuals saying women with abs is homosexual are extremely low T.

[ripe quest]

Swap the perks on that Crusher and it's golden save for the Power Output.

Also Critical Hit Damage on Revolver isn't good.

[late birch]

Am I over critting

[fading vale]

all the weapon perks are bad

[frosty herald]

Double cheeked up

[ripe quest]

The +finesse perks calc funny and you get less damage than the listed 10%.

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anna-paquin-i-kind-of-like-it-xmen-rogue-gif-8478950

[late birch]

Ok

[fading vale]

TLDR never take crit damage or weakspot, and crit chance perk is not useful unless it's like knife or laspistol

[gray ice]

Formatting is easy enough that such petty mortal things are not required

[ripe quest]

+crit chance has uses but it's a bit marginal, esp when you have it handled by talents.

[ripe quest]

Not even Knife wants +crit chance

[late birch]

I was just maxing because I am always essentially in CC mode in the aurics

just trying to stagger everything

[fading vale]

it could be worse but yeah talents kind of override

but if you aren't running piety

[late birch]

but crit dmg esp if its not adding anything can be replaced

[ripe quest]

Crusher can output some pretty solid damage on it's own. Your talents take advantage of it's finesse

[late birch]

I've been fine in the aurics but what weapon perks should I use for BP's

[ornate bone]

Crit damage is like

[fading vale]

pretty much can never go wrong with flak and maniac, and then unyielding/cara/elites are usually solid

cara is more niche for breakpoints

depending on weapon

[late birch]

I'm t rying to think of who I have the most trouble with, I think I am rescuing people from unyielding mostly

[ripe quest]

I also see a lack of Perfect Strike on Mk II Evis for the PS/Shred combo.

[ornate bone]

These are your damages:

• Bodyshot ⬜
• Headshot/crit 🟧
  When you headshot or crit, you get ⬜ + 🟧
  The problem with crit and weakspot damage is that it adds the bonus exclusively to that second part instead of the whole

[late birch]

Flak covers so much

[fading vale]

nobody would ever know what perfect strike does unless you ask here lol

[late birch]

Ahhhhhhhhh I see, I see

[fading vale]

like, what it does has absolutely no relation to the tooltip

[gray ice]

[ornate bone]

So you get +10% of 🟧
Not +10% of ⬜ + 🟧

[late birch]

Gotcha, so unless its hitting some random BP it's n ot even worth it

[ornate bone]

For some guns it's even worse

The autopistol, I think, has like 10 extra damage on crit, or maybe it was the headshot

[late birch]

Looks like Flak has a ton of dudes that need some smashing, switching to flak

[ornate bone]

But 10% of that is a miserable fucking 1

[fading vale]

flak is almost always the best perk

[late birch]

I am an absolute chad fps player, so I try to headshot with everything

[ripe quest]

80% chance for 4x cleave on a crit CDR build that's already spamming crits from the ult is quite fun. The armor cleave thing on it is kinda goofy since you can cleave a handful of Crushers on the H1.

[fading vale]

weakspot damage perk is at best like, 5% on any weapon and lower on others

and lower if you crit and weakspot

[late birch]

so just getting dmg versus specific types just seems to be way better

[fading vale]

yup

the damage perks are actually 25%

[late birch]

like legit base dmg?

[fading vale]

yes

[ripe quest]

Knife getting ~70% of the finesse increases as actual damage is fun.

[late birch]

ahhhhhhh, so much better then

[craggy maple]

neat

[gray ice]

So does perfect strike actually let you cleave through armor?

[ripe quest]

I'll grab a video to show it

[fading vale]

so, pstrike is 0.25x hitmass and ignore carapace stopping you

[ripe quest]

It has some weirdness with the revs

[gray ice]

I see

So then it does have an actual unique use case over SS

[misty raven]

I use it. Less interruption to my lmb spam the better

[ripe quest]

The rev H1 won't get the effect, it'll stick like normal

On the Mk XV it's not really great

[fading vale]

if you are overly concerned about light spamming crushers

[misty raven]

Nvm can't read

[ripe quest]

It's not great at all but it's kinda fun

Now, if they gave Evis Thunderous that'd be great

[brisk raft]

I want Shock and Awe reworked on Thunder Hammer

Make it into Brutal Momentum pls

[misty raven]

Fun is the most important part

[azure mortar]

T-posing poxwalker out of a beast of nurgle's mouth

[fading vale]

no, just delete BM from the game

[misty raven]

Shred and PS on my XV Evis for my brain dead martyrdom zealot

[ripe quest]

Just make enemies explode idk

[misty raven]

Just constant ignorant lmb spam

[ripe quest]

I want more cool talents that just nuke people

[brisk raft]

Wouldn't that make Caxe and Taxe poorer in horde clear?

[ripe quest]

Showstopper is so cool on paper and it looks really cool ingame but it does jack

[ripe quest]

Would make them PA reliant

[misty raven]

Delete brutal momentum. Just bake it into caxes

[fading vale]

well, of course you would need to kind of rebalance some stuff, but all BM does rn is make things ridiculous

[brisk raft]

FS probably too busy holidaying atm to change anything I guess

[misty raven]

Of course

I'm not expecting anything until like February

[brisk raft]

Same

[ripe quest]

I feel like they could just keep the Caxes as single target and give them a PA combo they can do. Put more emphasis on the Taxe's having cleave and boom, balancing dynamic

[brisk raft]

Probably new Premium Cosmetics that are recolours of old premium cosmetics

[misty raven]

As is tradition

[ripe quest]

The Taxe's have a good bit of cleave compared to a Caxe but it's just not good enough.

[fading vale]

BM is way too transformative relative to other stuff, like on ogryn shovels and caxe

suddenly you go from killing 1 thing to killing 4

or up to 4

[spare dome]

i wish the Eviscerator got BM

[ripe quest]

Knife w/ BM on top 👨‍🍳

[brisk raft]

Helbore with Brutal Momentum

[ripe quest]

or just like, make the Mk VI knife have better heavy patterns to utilize Haymaker

BM being a gun weapon special blessing kinda goes hard

[fading vale]

revolver doesn't even need BM lul

[brisk raft]

I miss blessings affecting both weapons

What does Rev melee even do?

[fading vale]

nothing useful

[royal vortex]

it's too awkward to use for pushing and the angle is weird

you only do it when the game eats an input basically

[fading vale]

blessings affecting both weapons would be fine if they were intentionally designed

[royal vortex]

i dont think blessings should ever do anything for DoT unless theyre on weapons like flamer or purg

designed around applying them

uncanny strike working on dot is such cancer

old wildfire slaught AB on psyker letting u clear hordes w/o any actual input is insanity

[fading vale]

they did at least start addressing that

like with slaughterer

[royal vortex]

yea

the old crucian interaction was actually kinda cool but the blessing wasn't designed with that intent in mind

and would probs work better as a talent than a blessing

[fading vale]

that interaction made me want to shoot myself

cause fucking everyone was just getting free 40% crit or whatever with 75% DR and not using ranged

[royal vortex]

yea

conceptually, getting a pretty big bonus for using melee while having your gun empty sounds cool so long as it isn't fkin cancer like that was

and there is technically the +impact/attack speed node above beacon of purity but nobody ever takes it for the sake of having it

[fading vale]

I don't like things that incentivize not using ranged especially in the current game

[royal vortex]

i mean zealot has an entire "i can't believe it's not a gun" blitz

[fading vale]

it's just like, oh ok I guess I'll have to kill even more specials myself

[royal vortex]

and those kinda talents dont really have a significant impact on how effective a player is at killing stuff

[fading vale]

yeah those talents are just terrible

[royal vortex]

the middle zealot tree has basically 1 useful gun talent

and the rest are all terrible

and i would like them to try and make the zealot tree interact with guns in a more interesting way than "here's a bunch of shittier versions of veteran talents"

[fading vale]

it's basically just anoint aka free damage and dance with death which is only useful on a few guns

[royal vortex]

yeah

i think if they wanted to have a talent in the spirit of old crucian it would need a set timer from the moment you run out of ammo

like the emperor's bullet does rn

but they need to make the reward better

so that ur less incentivized not to use a gun and more encouraged to magdump in the opening stages of a fight then swap to melee to finish it

duellist technically does stuff for guns iirc but thats also very weapon dependent

[prisma sigil]

are you implying that zealot is better at and should be focusing on melee?

🤯

[fading vale]

no?

[prisma sigil]

fuck guns

gimme axe

[royal vortex]

im saying that a lot of the currently existing zealot talents that interact with ranged suck ass

[prisma sigil]

that

is true

[royal vortex]

and it would be nice if they were options you could pick without feeling like you're opportunity costing yourself

or at least that feeling was much more minor than "this is a point that is wasted"

[prisma sigil]

honestly i've never felt like any zealot build has had their secondary as more than just an optional tool that can be useful sometimes

[royal vortex]

it very much depends on the match

[prisma sigil]

i have a shotgun for hunting grounds

otherwise usually the throwing knives handle stuff i cant reach well enough

[royal vortex]

if im on a team with ppl who don't understand that specials are enemies you have to kill quickly i am stuck on gun duty

[copper hawk]

Yah

On hi int anything im stuck on brauto duty

[royal vortex]

because at some point i physically cannot be in melee with enemies spawning in 4 different directions

[copper hawk]

Havin 2 shoot gunnets and shooters

[prisma sigil]

just had a maelstrom with three veterans and not one of them was taking care of the distant gunners and snipers

[copper hawk]

Probs spend more time w my brauto

[prisma sigil]

and my dumbass has a shotgun so i'm just sitting there getting pissed

[royal vortex]

i mean with gunners u just take TWBS and fight them in glorious melee combat

[copper hawk]

Noh

NOH!!!

[fading vale]

tbh if I have teammates that don't use ranged I'd rather have a bot

[copper hawk]

Glorious.. brauto combat..

[royal vortex]

also like

tknives are suppression immune one-shot headshots on gunners

[prisma sigil]

i usually do just fight htem in melee

but we were on ascension riser with the moving trains

[royal vortex]

its one of the best uses for them

o

[prisma sigil]

there were gunners and snipers up in the rafters

too far for tknives

[royal vortex]

i mean ascension riser just sucks ass

[copper hawk]

There's a stahlhelm on the left read side of the new vet winter cosmetic

[royal vortex]

esp the mid event

[copper hawk]

And the fact it isn't already a cosmetic helmet in the game makez me grompy..

[royal vortex]

i think ascension riser's mid event is the worst designed in the game

[copper hawk]

Like the kettle helm is already in

Just make a snowy version..

[royal vortex]

the end event looks like a gigantic missed opportunity

cuz the areas on the sides that go down a level look super fkin cool

and it makes me wonder if there was supposed to be a stage on a lower part of it

[fading vale]

riser end event has potentially cool parts

just not the main part at all

[royal vortex]

yea

i feel like they found their footing with mixed event types much more with the carnival maps

although, warren mid event is super bad

[prisma sigil]

I hate any mission that requires me to do the ipad game

[royal vortex]

incredibly boring

[copper hawk]

Ipad game

Lmfao

[royal vortex]

the end event is good

[copper hawk]

Flappy bird

[fading vale]

also riser never makes me feel like I'm going anywhere

[royal vortex]

yea

the part with the giant hole in the middle is cool

right after the mid event

but beyond that its kinda meh. like the whole map is poorly lit tunnels p much

[prisma sigil]

Everyone's least favorite seems to be hab dreyko but honestly

I grinded the 250 Hab Dreyko's last month for the frame and I'd rather play more Dreyko than ascension riser

[royal vortex]

dreyko was AWFUL when the spawns were super passive during the event sections

and you fought almost nothing

like a hishock would have malice tier spawns

but then p13 made it more fun

[prisma sigil]

yea

[north sedge]

Hab josho

[prisma sigil]

Trying to do the ipad game when nobody is covering you though

it tilts me

[royal vortex]

i find that most of the time the other 3 people are completely alien to the concept of pressing the auspex key

[fading vale]

Hab is fun now

ending is perhaps a bit much

especially for pubs

[royal vortex]

hab dreyko end event is the only semi-consistent spot where the server crashes

for me at least

[prisma sigil]

I've honestly just started

to ignore objectives

[royal vortex]

i quite enjoy when the end screen doesn't have the big red "YOU FAILED" text at the top

so i do them

[prisma sigil]

It's so irritating to try to haul stuff or do the minigames when nobody is helping

[royal vortex]

because i know the 5 wound psyker with +5 truelevels is gonna have a hard time just existing

[prisma sigil]

so i've started just focusing on killing everything

[royal vortex]

you just learn how to do it

the only one you can't unless the intensity spikes and the ai director shuts off for a bit is a data interrogator

[prisma sigil]

I know how to it's more that its just annoying

[royal vortex]

auspex scans only stop if your crosshair actually moves off the target so you can drag it while dodging

[prisma sigil]

and i need my million heretics killed

[royal vortex]

and u can just push with the auspex before doing it

with the carryables you spam pushes

which ppl don't really seem to do for w/e reason

i wish u could throw knives while carrying em

[prisma sigil]

that would be amazing

[ornate bone]

What personality would you accredit to the Judge Female Zealot voice?

I like the Fanatic but I feel like it's the generic one that 93% of people will take and it's expected to be so

[hushed agate]

Honestly i see more judge then fanatic

[ornate bone]

I might keep Zealot but she sounds so Irish I feel like she has to have red hair.

I mean Fanatic

[hushed agate]

Honestly judge doesn't have much personality

I mean they're cool but

Pretty generic

[ornate bone]

I don't like the third option the Evangilist sounding one.

[prisma sigil]

I love male agitator

but not female agitator

I hate the female agitator voice

[ornate bone]

Agitator ye

[prisma sigil]

Of the females the judge is my fave

[hushed agate]

Agitators a dick

[ornate bone]

Is it just me or does she have mic problems?

Agitator?

[prisma sigil]

😈

[vocal pulsar]

i like female judge too

[ornate bone]

I mean their name is literally Agitator

[meager turret]

I use agitator because he’s comically unreasonable

[ornate bone]

I think I like Female Fanactic

[prisma sigil]

A touch of healing

Too much dulls my fervor

WHAT IF THE FREAK IS A DANGER TO US?

SO THE SLAB CAN SERVE HOLY CAUSE!

[meager turret]

^

[ornate bone]

I'm weak and prefer some friendliness ._.

[hushed agate]

I got myself a bald male fanatic named harken and he is a mess of a man

[vocal pulsar]

default zealot

[prisma sigil]

Agitator is the funniest one to me

[hushed agate]

No point in changing perfection

He is so disheveled and pathetic i love him

[lament iron]

is it possible to save this?

i have headtaker 4 on standby

[prisma sigil]

swap the perks and keep the blessings imo

you're not missing THAT much from 3 to 4 with the blessings

[polar nexus]

Nah. Just put ht4 instead of ss

[lament iron]

instead of putting HT4 on it?

[prisma sigil]

idk i dont know shit about heavy sword

but rampage and savage seems like a good horde combo

[polar nexus]

Keep melee Crit chance and change groaners to flak or maniaf

[meager turret]

Heavy sword’s already got good cleave on it

So I’d change savage sweep

[polar nexus]

You want more power. Not more cleavw

[vocal pulsar]

best hsword setup rn is deathblow + rampage/headtaker

i forget which is better, i forget what's on mine

[tropic pelican]

Yeah, sweep to ht, groaners to flak

[vocal pulsar]

havent used hsword in awhile

but i know that you want deathblow on it

[tropic pelican]

Do you need maniac to oneshot mutants

Should be fine anyway

[royal vortex]

headtaker is better than rampage

i think depending on mark u can get away w/ rampage + headtaker

like a 6 in particular is gonna have an awkward time getting good deathblow value because of the heavies

[polar nexus]

Oo

[vocal pulsar]

ummm source???? can you post a fan wiki spreadsheet with video proof?? ???

[royal vortex]

it was revealed to me in a dream

[polar nexus]

6 is overhead h1. Like 9

It's a deathblow dream

[prisma sigil]

the emperor told me

[royal vortex]

i can never get an overhead BM proc to hit more than like

2 ragers

its much more mauler/crusher killing with a swing like that

i would way rather do deathblow on a 7

[cursive plaza]

What's the best "all rounder" zealot build?

[polar nexus]

7 is very good at HT + rampage too because h1 is a sweep

[hushed agate]

Momentum knife

[royal vortex]

yea i mean u can build all 3 of them either way and do good

[polar nexus]

Momentum + chastise

[flat marsh]

This but unironically

[hushed agate]

Hey man as long as you stick with the team

[royal vortex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aed3ae9-79e3-4f49-a703-887458284211/crushin-revised?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

this is what i run, doesn't have a problem with any particular enemies

[vocal pulsar]

knife user has to put in 150% effort in order to match someone putting in 75% effort

i would definitely say that knife is NOT for all rounders

[royal vortex]

there's a lot of different ways to make versatile builds so in large part it comes down to what you prefer and how you wanna solve problems

[flat marsh]

Until I run off

[vocal pulsar]

with the sheer volume of knife shitters i have seen running around

with 1.6k hours of experience

[hushed agate]

Where shouty go?

[flat marsh]

just git gud

[vocal pulsar]

crusher, like josho posted

is actually versatile

[royal vortex]

crusher is a relatively high effort weapon compared to something like a caxe

[flat marsh]

Just take a rashad

[royal vortex]

but tbh u can run that build with caxe and drop desperation for purge the unclean and do great

[minor sage]

Handles pressure quite a bit better

But a lot more work to play

[vocal pulsar]

crusher with kantrael shotgun (fire shotgun), brauto (braced auto gun)

would serve very well

[royal vortex]

crusher i feel is the main weapon u can get away with tknives and not really notice a major power loss in intensity peaks

[minor sage]

Caxe requires footwork against crushers, bulwarks, ragers

[royal vortex]

because it literally does not give a fuck about elite density if ur using it properly

[flat marsh]

Tbh, just run a rashad. It just does everything well

[minor sage]

It doesnt necessarily

It requires pretty good footwork in mixed hordes

[hushed agate]

Oh were talking melee nvm

[flat marsh]

I think the only ranged options that are really situational are bolter/flamer

THey pair nicely with throwing knives though

[north sedge]

I just light special spam crusher

[flat marsh]

Ranged is probably preference

[royal vortex]

nothing is more infuriating to me than when this is actually a correct solution

such as vs bulwark phalanxes

[rustic lagoon]

HULK SMASH THEE!

[royal vortex]

the weapon should not be utilized optimally in this way

its so stupid

i hate bulwarks

[flat marsh]

I've legitimately never used the crusher yet tbh

[royal vortex]

its basically the only zealot melee i like

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1Mkvwn-s0AM_iH/d1337RbZFVsO?invite=cr-MSxJb08sMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[flat marsh]

THe blessings are garbage, so that always put me off

[oak yacht]

Is there a good stealh zealot guide anywhere?

[vocal pulsar]

crusher is very good

[royal vortex]

the weapon is p much specifically balanced around the blessings available

[flat marsh]

A whole 4

[royal vortex]

if it had better blessings the weapon would very likely be worse basline

[flat marsh]

Where 3 of them only increase stagger

[royal vortex]

yeah, and you want an impact blessing on it

[flat marsh]

power maul on ogryn

😦

[royal vortex]

powermaul is just unmitigated dogshit and god knows when theyre gonna do anything about it

[crystal knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdBsvKHVZGU I currently use this build, and he goes into strategies to be a good Stealth Zealot too, I can personally say the build is amazing

[flat marsh]

Pretty sure smite is higher single target DPS than a power maul

[royal vortex]

i do kinda wish crusher got a version of all or nothing that was only cleave and damage

[north sedge]

Crusher is balanced around what it has, and works very well

[royal vortex]

because it's a very push attack centric weapon

[flat marsh]

I might get one at some point, but it's never been a high priority for me

[north sedge]

Doesn't need power blessings or whatever

[flat marsh]

I play knife zealot 75% of the time 🙂

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-pig-reagan-mask-darmine-gif-6743568957181143062

[flat marsh]

why did you post a gif of my mom 😠

[royal vortex]

i like the knife sparingly

[rustic lagoon]

That is one fucked-up looking dog.

[north sedge]

Is pig with nixon mask

[fleet zealot]

man bear pig

[flat marsh]

I'm pretty much unkillable with a knife on

[vast fog]

well is this useable?

[vocal pulsar]

mk 2 evis wants rampage + savage sweep blessings

[cursive plaza]

I was using the mk9 heavy sword but I don't like it cause it struggles vs carapace and somewhat against flak

[vocal pulsar]

and flak and maniac perks

but yesm you could use that

[royal vortex]

shred is ok for a crit build

elites likewise is probs the best "sub-optimal" perk to roll

[vocal pulsar]

you could swap shred for rampage, and unarmored damage to maniac

[vast fog]

aight will do Thanks! 🙂 (its my first 380)

[vocal pulsar]

congrats

i have a few 380s that i dont use, becasue they are suboptimal

[vast fog]

Fiar enough... i just play for funs on like t4/5

not done an Auric yet

[vocal pulsar]

nice

i only play auric

[spice wren]

I hope these pants get added soon.

They'd look so much better on my guardsmen outfit than the pants that actually came with this top.

[ripe quest]

100% a niche weapon that needs to be utilized like one.

[lament iron]

what should i change on here

[ripe quest]

Bloodletter to Rampage and Crit Chance to Flak

[native cargo]

Ramming my head right into a wall is how I solve my problems in DT

[minor sage]

I would prob eat it for bloodletter

In case it becomes good in the future

[ripe quest]

Either you get a very decent Evis or you scrap it for a buff that may or may not happen to it

Gamblers are eating good

[minor sage]

I'm still mad

That i didnt buy that t4 thrust t4 slaught chaxe

4 months ago in melk

I have infinite melkbux anyways

[polar nexus]

Always invest in good rolls. You never know

[oak yacht]

When you use stealth, is it better to hit a headshot or a backstab?

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/nf-motto-dragged-drag-real-gif-27671620

[minor sage]

Por que no los dos

[oak yacht]

Because heads are typically on the front of enemies

[fleet zealot]

no

the back of their head counts for both+ for monstros that aren't BoN they have a backstab weakspot zone

it's their ass

or something i dont remember it some hammer nerd probably does

but if you have to pick one, i'd say headshot

since headshot has a bonus from the weapon

[mental coral]

have you ever tried hitting a mutant from behind

his head hitbox is fat as shit

[misty raven]

Backstab the head obviously. You can backstab the head of a crusher with a knife

[cursive plaza]

who are the best zealot players to watch? I wanna learn builds & how to not get skill issued

[minor sage]

Uhhh tbh

The easiest way is to just play

To get better

Copy builds from ppl who are good until you can put ur own together

[tribal whale]

Does this work for blocking?

[minor sage]

Watching wont really help

[fleet zealot]

Not a lot of good livestreamers cause the game eats bitrate

And youtubers tend to be on the meh to bad side

[patent zinc]

Bad talent.

[tribal whale]

If it applied to blocking and I could push off ragers

Then yeah i'd take it

[minor sage]

Ragers you can just dodge out

[patent zinc]

If you have trouble with ragers just get thy wrath be swift.

Thy wrath be swift will stop you from getting stunned and make dealing with ragers, and basically every enemy in the game much easier.

[tribal whale]

I just use the crusher now

[patent zinc]

If getting thy wrath be swift is reasonable for your build of course. It might not be depending on what your talent tree looks like.

[uncut steeple]

i mean its kinda a talent you really dont wanna miss

you can of course, but its really great qol

[patent zinc]

Yeah.

[tribal whale]

Used to run it ALL the time but I'm leaning more support so

[patent zinc]

Getting stunned is annoying + thy wrath be swift works with ranged attacks to.

[tribal whale]

I should just be around my team anyway

[sharp zodiac]

How the fuck did that only last 60 minutes

Felt like 5 hours

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/freaking-out-concerned-confused-crazy-look-itysl-gif-17618875465987313259

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-stickguy-walking-away-no-words-nope-bye-gif-20466513

[sharp zodiac]

Welp melk had nothing good for me

Completely forgot to give my opinion on this

The build is fun to run, the knives at first I didn't get but it's a lot faster against ranged weapons trying switch to the ranged weapon, I decided to run the revolver for personal preference, can't say I have an issue with it either

[calm compass]

Wouldn't Mercy Killer and Lacerate be a better blend to ensure faster kills of non-carapace elites?

[crystal knot]

Non-carapace elites, even in the highest difficulty, aren't a problem ever

Carapace elites are always your weakness in this build but everything else gets melted

[calm compass]

? elites are always a problem when they're paired with multiple and varying issues

[drowsy steppe]

not exactly a Zealot player but I can recommend Telopots whos pretty knowledgeable about the game and streams his gameplays on twitch and youtube

[crystal knot]

You're able to kill them reliably is what I mean, either gun or knife is usually enough to one shot on a headshot/backstab or 2 shot without (headshots with knife, body shots with gun)

[north sedge]

No uncanny buffs bleed

[crystal knot]

And if you need to, headshots with the throwing knives also work plenty well

[calm compass]

It's a Hand-cannon Surgical Revolver. Doesn't it take like 2-3 shots to kill a crusher?

[drowsy steppe]

Get Uncanny and Mercy killer or Precognition

[crystal knot]

D a , somethin' like that, I don't often go for the Crushers myself so I wouldn't know for total certain

[calm compass]

Uncanny Strike is a decent blessing, but I would think Lacerate + Mercy Killer would fit an overall use-case better for just overall damage

[drowsy steppe]

nah

[north sedge]

Uncanny is bis, as with other sources of rending

[ornate bone]

wow you guys are putting a lot of thought into this class. i just wanna charge and maim in my repentia cosplay

[north sedge]

I just cheat off the other students and make knife memes while teacher isn't looking

[proud minnow]

anyone got a sick chain sword?

[smoky valley]

mines quite ill, might have covid

[calm compass]

how- nah?

[drowsy steppe]

if you dont have Uncanny

your knife's ADM against a Crusher is 50%

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-anime-trick-gif-6163729

[drowsy steppe]

just with 3 stacks of Uncanny strikes and you're already doing full damage against a Crusher

[crystal knot]

Me with my Mk 6 knife straight into a horde of gunners, reapers and mutants

[drowsy steppe]

and combine that with Mercy killer and you do MORE weak spot damage to them

than just having Mercy killer but without Uncanny

Rending also buffs your DOT. That includes bleed

and Rending also buffs your pushes

[exotic portal]

veteran focused the groaners.

[crystal knot]

I'm not a numbers crusher guy so I'm still trying to figure out if Melon is defending or against my current build

[drowsy steppe]

what weapon are you using

[calm compass]

Mercy killer requires a bleeding target already, Scourge is inconsistent and may not even proc on the first, second, third, fourth, etc. light attack to apply bleed unless you have stacks pre-existing from swiping hordes. I have really only got Mercy Killer to really work when it's combined with Lacerate for an ensured Crit Damage. Otherwise I usually just run Uncanny for Crushers and Riposte for free crits

[crystal knot]

Mk 6 Catachan Combat Blade

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

[drowsy steppe]

I would run that with the blessing Uncanny and Precog

[exotic portal]

2nd weapon, main weapon?

[drowsy steppe]

cuz Finesse on blesings grants you bonuses to your weak spot, crit and crit weak spot damage

[ornate bone]

Y'all ever think about how

Some dude poured his heart and soul into creating "lmao"

But some people still opt for "lolol"

[crystal knot]

Precog doesn't jibe with my style of play as much as Lacerate does

[drowsy steppe]

thats ok

[ornate bone]

WHAT DID I COME INTO

[drowsy steppe]

You want to have a rending blessing because again, rending buffs your DOT

[crystal knot]

Someone asked for a knife build, I gave a knife build that I liked and run pretty consistently, now the pro's are debating my build and I am S c a re d

[crystal knot]

I currently run Uncanny + Lac, hol' up lemme send my knife in-

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-man-mdr-sing-gif-7692927

[crystal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-crying-one-piece-the-one-piece-is-real-crying-meme-gif-4518068471625710025

[drowsy steppe]

yuh its a good knife, 59% First target is not too bad

[exotic portal]

That infested is mad

[drowsy steppe]

it is what it is

[exotic portal]

Nurgle smiles

[crystal knot]

I didn't mind low first target since I usually deal with big numbers rather than single targets, hordes of pretty much anything are my go to (except crushers, fuck crushers, I can deal with them but that honestly just comes up to light spam)

[craggy python]

ayo this is an emperor only channel

khorne can stay too but fuck off with the nurgle shit

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-chaos-gif-20220216

[craggy python]

vet is nurgle

zealot khorne, psyker tzeentch, and ogryn is nurgle because they are perfect just the way they are

[delicate shadow]

Vet is khorne with all the malding that goes on

[north sedge]

Stan is staanesh

[exotic portal]

Zealot old gods then?

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-wh40k-gif-7750560

[delicate shadow]

Zealot kinda slaanesh when left unchecked

[buoyant pecan]

HOW DARE THEY NERF MY (insert thing that was either busted af or actually buffed but is different therefore nerf)

[delicate shadow]

Psyker is tzeentch because half the time they don’t know what they’re talking about

Ogryn is nurgle by being powercreep brain rotted

There we go, settled

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-necron-gif-17816277693703384207

[ripe quest]

Knife can like, 2-3 shot Crushers without Martyr. Uncanny/Precog will ruin them.

[craggy python]

oh i made a typo. i meant to say vet is slaanesh

got all the good stuff at the start of the game and now are uh

well they're still eating good, i guess

[ripe quest]

Vet be slaanesh because they're still lusting over power sword balancing

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sfdesigns09-popcorn-squirrel-eating-animal-gif-26323114

old knife might actually be better.

[ripe quest]

Knife is niche and the old one is better at the niche

[exotic portal]

Just over all, never had a problem lacerating through a horde at damn aurics, light attacks

[random berry]

it's hammer time.

[exotic portal]

new one just cleaves through hordes with haymaker

[ripe quest]

I wish it had more cleave to justify using Haymaker

Like give it a shitty cleave profile and 11 cleave

then it will ball

[exotic portal]

wierd

[ripe quest]

But with the current version of it it's like 1-2 avg enemies instakilled in fodder hordes and maybe 1 against elites

[exotic portal]

Sure you within range?

Might wanna get more up close and personal with your enemies

[ripe quest]

It has 6.5 cleave on the H1 and H2

Along with a 20% instakill chance it's not proccing a whole lot

It'll hit 2 of a good number of elites and 1 in terms of big elites. On something like a Mk I Club it's swinging with 10.5 and it has Thrust.

[calm salmon]

and neither one are good

Which is uh. . . unfortunate, really.

God I hate using the knives.

[crystal knot]

I love knife gameplay

[ripe quest]

It's pretty ok for single target.

[calm salmon]

I'd literally rather use a chainsword

[ripe quest]

Just not really for anything else.

[calm salmon]

in. . . every single circumstance.

[ripe quest]

I mean, Chainsword can clear crowds which is quite nice.

[calm salmon]

Let alone shit like the heavy sword on zealot

[exotic portal]

Gameplay is so slow

[calm salmon]

like. . . the only legitimate upside of knife is the dodge distance

even the sprint speed is whatever

[crystal knot]

I haven't 1v1'd a monstrosity a day in my life

[ripe quest]

In strictly single target though I'd rather have a knife than a chainsword. I can take a Kant or a Flamer as well.

[calm salmon]

no I'd still rather have a chainsword

Sure, it can't two shot ragers

but its not bad enough at the role to sacrifice its horde performance for the sake of single target

[ripe quest]

My thought process is that its weakness means its up to preference since Zealot can cover it with a ranged weapon.

[calm salmon]

I mean so can veteran

but the last thing I really wanna be doing is shooting a crowd with a plasma gun or kantrael

[crystal knot]

I end up being a horde clearer knife user pretty comfortably, I mean I might not be one shotting a horde or killin' em all in a single swing but I'm basically untouchable the whole time

[calm salmon]

There's just. . .

[crystal knot]

Death by a thousand cuts style

[ripe quest]

I'm a fan of generalist weapons and whatnot but if I want a niche single target weapon and I don't need to worry about the weakness the knife is the pick for it.

[calm salmon]

not enough of a reason to two or three shot elites with a knife

when you can take literally anything else that's only marginally worse at single target TTK

but infinitely better at horde management.

I'm ignoring rashad/antax/power sword in this conversation because literally everything is worse than them.

[ripe quest]

I'm seeing a pattern, I get you like generalist weapons. I'm not trying to change your perspective on it being what you want or not, I'm just saying that for Zealot and technically Psyker (DS exists though so ) it's good at its niche and can be picked on preference.

[calm salmon]

I would argue its not even good in its niche because these three exist.

[ripe quest]

That's not what niche means

none of those weapons are niche

[calm salmon]

But as I said in that statement, everything is worse than those.

[ripe quest]

oh nvm am dyslexic

[calm salmon]

Right, but they're all as good or better than the knife in the knife's niche.

[ripe quest]

Caxe vs Knife is debatable on armor type but I cannot say it competes much with PS since I haven't ever tested it.

[calm salmon]

What the knife actually has over every single weapon is mobility.

You basically have a get out of jail free card in your right hand due to its dodge distance, move tech, and sprint speed.

[echo fossil]

What do you guys like for Eviscerator blessings? I’m a big rev it up fan but unsure beyond that

[olive raven]

Rampage/Savage Sweep/Shred

[ripe quest]

For Mk II Rampage/Savage Sweep, and for the Mk XV Rampage/Shred. There are some fun other combos though.

[calm salmon]

I like rampage/momentum

on the mk15

[olive raven]

^only really needed if you choose every talent that doesn’t give toughness regen

[calm salmon]

and then SS/Rampage on mk2

[calm salmon]

Oh

I do

I just slap even more toughness regen on top

because why not

[olive raven]

Or if you are Puri and do weird things

[calm salmon]

be somewhat immortal

Or actually immortal

[olive raven]

Momentum on MkXV is valid

On Mk2, not really

[calm salmon]

no on mk2 its dumb

rampage doesn't give you enough cleave on its own

so you need savage sweep on top to not get glued down on the third bruiser in a swing

[ripe quest]

It's fairly competitive with single target damage. obv can't 1-2 shot bosses like a Thammer/Chaxe but it's a bit better at the lower priority single target damage category due to the frequency of it's big hits and the lack of any movement/action reduction.

[echo fossil]

So maximizing cleave is legit?

[ripe quest]

On the Mk II it helps a good amount with the H1. On the Mk XV cleave is strictly CC, the lights are target capped.

[calm salmon]

and that same argument statement is why I hate the knives

Target caps or not, I'd rather stagger the enemies around me

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/majima-goro-majima-majima-jumpscare-gif-24485179

[echo fossil]

Ah wow interesting

[calm salmon]

Don't let the cleave cap thing trick you though.

[ripe quest]

yee that's fine.

[calm salmon]

Its on the mk2 eviscerator too.

[echo fossil]

So the additional cleave is just adding stagger?

[olive raven]

savage sweep isn’t “bad” on mk15, it’s just it has different application

[calm salmon]

Same as the mk15, lights are target capped to 4 enemies.

[olive raven]

also idk if there’s a cleave hit mass stat on the evis somewhere

[calm salmon]

Its heavy 2 that's. . . uncapped? or has a higher one

[ripe quest]

The Mk II uses H1 -> L2 Block cancel so half of the cleave hits are uncapped

[echo fossil]

Does the 15 hit four without any cleave upgrades?

[ripe quest]

It has like, 10 cleave by default

on the lights

[calm salmon]

@olive raven

[ripe quest]

They're capped to 4 and the rev light is capped to 6

[olive raven]

Ok yea so increasing cleave, even with 4 target cap does help cuz it’ll allow higher hit mass enemies to be cleaved fun stuff (for those who don’t know)

So it has some minor damage and more CC buffs

Basically

[calm salmon]

I do wish Fatshark would tinker with the mk2 eviscerator moveset a little more.

Heavy>Light>Light>Light>Heavy is a fine moveset, I just hate that the third light in the combo is a random overhead - I still use it with regularity, and have gotten good at aiming the strikedown to oneshot a poor soul with it, it just feels awkward.

[ripe quest]

mrw when you can just H1 L2 repeat

[echo fossil]

What does that mean in layman’s terms? It’s not adding much additional damage from taking cleave blessings?

[calm salmon]

Remember, I don't use TWBS

So heavy 1 is big risk

so I limit my use of heavy 1 by using the Heavy>lll>heavy combo

[ripe quest]

Then block cancel to lower the startup delay on the H1

It hits fast and the PA is safe

[calm salmon]

I'm aware

but I shouldn't need to is my point

[ripe quest]

Also they added the Mk XV specifically for people like you

[calm salmon]

The combos on the mk2 are just awkward.

outside of H1>L1>H1

[olive raven]

So

With cleave targets

Being capped at 4 for most things

[calm salmon]

No, I think I just got spoiled by the Mk4 cleaver on ogryn

[craggy maple]

This is some spooky skeleton shinanigans
https://imgur.com/a/8nH1hrC

[calm salmon]

its the only weapon in the game, outside of crusher I guess, with streamlined combos that have clear executions.

[olive raven]

You’ll be able to hit four enemies within the specified hit mass on that weapon.

[craggy maple]

The servo-skulls, they're haunting me Dx

[olive raven]

So you’ll deal damage to 4

By default

But if you have more cleave than 4 enemies

Say you have 10 cleave

And 4 enemies is 8

[ripe quest]

If you cannot cleave 4 enemies (pick your favorite enemy), +cleave will increase damage. If you already cleave 4 enemies, it's strictly only CC.

[olive raven]

You will only stagger the 5th

[echo fossil]

Okay cool, that sort of what I thought i was picking up but it’s good to see it explained

[olive raven]

So it allows for more enemies to be hit thus more stagger

Basically

In other weapons

Like say a heavy sword

[ripe quest]

Taxe fits the bill despite its shortcomings

[olive raven]

Cleave is what allows it to entirely fuck a horde

Ah fuck it’s 7:30

[craggy maple]

I don't think I've seen a single Heavy Sword zealot so far

[olive raven]

Hi. Right here.

[calm salmon]

The mk15 eviscerator has 11.7 cleave on its light attacks

Lets assume poxwalkers have 1.5 hitmass.

That's 7.8 poxwalkers per swing, rounded up to 8 as cleave is always rounded up when hitting enemies.

36% more cleave from rampage is: 11.7 x 1.36 = 15.912 cleave

15.912/1.5 = 10.608 or 11 poxwalkers per swing.

In both situations, you'll only deal damage to 4 poxwalkers, but Rampage allows you to stagger 3 more poxwalkers per swing.

[craggy maple]

I've never seen you in a match so far then. Much sad

[rustic lagoon]

This is just phase 1 of my build. I'm trying to cover as much as possible. Also considering running Fury of the Faithful and Maniac. Kinda fits my character.

[calm salmon]

I really, really, really, really, really wish fatshark would post enemy mass in the meatgrinder

actually infuriating that I need to climb through the code to figure it out

[olive raven]

Oh god

[calm salmon]

what

[craggy maple]

Aye the meatgrinder is less than barebones

[calm salmon]

my eyes

[craggy maple]

It's annoying

[olive raven]

Aight so what weapon are you using

[echo fossil]

Okay that’s awesome to see in arithmetical form

[craggy maple]

Also enemies don't seem as tough in the meatgrinder than in live.

[smoky valley]

that build

woah

[craggy maple]

Atrox axe /joke

[echo fossil]

Is this information available somewhere?

[rustic lagoon]

Tigrus Mk XV Eviscerator.

[olive raven]

Aight one second

[calm salmon]

dt.wartide for weapon hitmass

[echo fossil]

Like a compilation of enemy hit masses and weapon cleaves

[smoky valley]

evi build

woah

[calm salmon]

as for enemy mass

you need to climb through the code

I don't know of any sources that are updated for the patch 13/oct 4 patch values

(All enemies had their HP and mass adjusted)

[echo fossil]

Gotcha. Well I’ll try and find the old ones at least to get a rough clue

[calm salmon]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[rustic lagoon]

Evi + Agri Revolver.

[calm salmon]

I don't remember if mass is on there

[ripe quest]

It's accurate on gameslantern, it just doesn't show the cleave modifiers for each weapon.

[calm salmon]

I just know its pinned in all the channels

[olive raven]

That’s just using throwing knives

If you want immolation or stun that can also be reworked

[rustic lagoon]

Not bad.

[calm salmon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

there we go, better link.

[olive raven]

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[calm salmon]

click on the enemy and it'll show a breakdown

[echo fossil]

So does each weapon have a different cap of enemies it can damage per swing?

[calm salmon]

poxwalkers have 1.25 mass, apparently.

[olive raven]

hearing not bad after posting a good crit build

[calm salmon]

Yes.

[olive raven]

Yes

Heavy sword is like

[calm salmon]

Its different for every single weapon in the game.

[olive raven]

10-11 I think

[calm salmon]

Uncapped.

[olive raven]

For cleave

[calm salmon]

Oh, cleave.

It can damage an infinite amount of enemies per swing as far as I'm aware though.

Like slab shield.

[olive raven]

So roughly 5-6 enemies

[calm salmon]

Just depends on your cleave values.

Shield with infinite cleave on heavy 2

[olive raven]

heavy sword deathblow goes nutty too btw

[echo fossil]

Wait the heavy sword is uncapped?

[olive raven]

Nah

Heavy sword has a cap for cleave

But we have a fun blessing

[echo fossil]

It’s just high?

[olive raven]

Called deathblow

[calm salmon]

For reference

[olive raven]

No it’s the same as other weapons last i checked

[echo fossil]

My power sword vet feels like it cleaves a lot

[calm salmon]

it'll do 45 damage to infinite enemies, up to its cleave cap.

[rustic lagoon]

MEMETIC CAT AGENT

[olive raven]

yea well “infinite” enemies isn’t great wording considering cleave exists

[calm salmon]

Sure

[olive raven]

It’ll damage the cleave cap basically is all

[ripe quest]

Hsword isn't target capped

[calm salmon]

Yeah but leux is pointing out that weapons are gated by two different stats.

[olive raven]

Yes. I know.

I use it.

[calm salmon]

Cleave values and damage distribution caps.

[olive raven]

Once you reach Cleave Target max you don’t damage more things

[calm salmon]

So while uncapped damage distribution means infinite in a vacuum, its gated by its cleave values.

depending on what weapon and attack.

So a heavy sword 9 can damage 8 groaners per swing on light 1 through 4

even if it could, theoretically, damage infinite groaners per swing if it had infinite cleave values

[echo fossil]

Interesting. I don’t see many people use the heavy sword, I’ve never even equipped one.

[rustic lagoon]

My Evi, in particular, has a blessing that grants cleave if I catch 3 or more enemies with an attack.

[echo fossil]

I just really like stuff with heavy hitting light swings

[olive raven]

Heavy Sword 6 best weapon tbh

[echo fossil]

I’ll check it out

[calm salmon]

uh

bolter died

so people stopped using them

There's still reasons to use the heavy sword

but the braindead HS+Bolter kit is uh

[echo fossil]

Weird. Surprising to hear it depended on the bolter

[calm salmon]

infuriating to use now for most people.

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[calm salmon]

Crushers.

[olive raven]

Literally if you die when using this, it’s a genuine how

[calm salmon]

Bolter used to be able to kill ~5 per magazine on zealot.

Now its 2

which obliterated the ammo economy.

[olive raven]

Best elite TTK, 2nd best horde clear by two swings, etc

[echo fossil]

Ah yeah that thing just eats ammo

[ripe quest]

I still don't quite understand why people like the XI the most.

[olive raven]

For heavy swords*

[olive raven]

it was the best cause “horde clear”

[ripe quest]

Wouldn't a cleave on H1 provide more value with Deathblow?

[calm salmon]

I like it cause its just Heavy>Heavy on bruisers/elites

[olive raven]

When that isn’t the most important thing at all

[calm salmon]

and light attacks on everything else

[olive raven]

The 6 and 9

Are played the exact same

It’s just the 6 is better on the more important Elite/Specialist TTK

[rustic lagoon]

69 lol

[calm salmon]

The strikedown on heavy 1 mk9 can oneshot 5 ragers

with deathblow

which is funny

Granted, lining it up isn't particularly easy

but it IS possible

[olive raven]

while being like 5% worse at horde clear

So in all

HS6 on top

[calm salmon]

that and the strikedown on heavy 1 for mk9 does giga damage to elites

[ripe quest]

All of them can do that iirc

[calm salmon]

Probably. I'm only familiar with the 9.

And its just comfy

One random strikedown

and then both horizontal heavies loop forever

which is fine for horde work on bigger enemies

bruisers, really.

[ripe quest]

The H1 special attack loop as well.

[calm salmon]

Light attacks on groaners/poxwalkers

yeah, that's good for bosses/crushers.

and the rare reaper you decided to melee to death

[olive raven]

The strike down on both does that, it’s just the HS6 actually cycles back to it in the heavy loop

[ripe quest]

Is it just like, an attack speed difference?

[olive raven]

Moveset loop

[ripe quest]

Enlighten me.

afaik all three have loops for single target and cleave

[olive raven]

Yes

But thing is

HS6 cycles back to overhead faster

Giving more elite TTK

[ripe quest]

Ok so it is an attack speed thing

mm

[olive raven]

No

It’s a moveset thing

HS6 is strike down, left horizontal

[calm salmon]

you can just do heavy 1>push attack on the mk9

FWIW

[olive raven]

HS9 is strike down, left right from memory

[ripe quest]

You just said it cycles back to overhead faster?

That's an attack speed thing

[calm salmon]

correction

the mk9 doesn't loop to the overhead at all

its Heavy 1>Heavy2>H3>h2>h3>h2>h3

if you're chaining attacks

so you need to do H1>PA or H1>Special

to loop the H1 strikedown

so the mk6, would, compared to the mk9, loop back to the strikedown heavy faster because the mk9 outright can't if you're using just heavy attacks

[fresh nacelle]

what is general opinion on new evis vs old evis ?

[calm salmon]

new evisc better

but its marginal

take whichever one you like better

[ripe quest]

Old Eviscerator is better at crowds, new Evis is better at single target.

[rustic lagoon]

I like the Mk XV (new).

[olive raven]

No…

It has one less move in the moveset

Now funnily the mk9 has infinite horizontal heavies

So this is also what makes it swap the the strike down

It’s not attack speed, it’s simply a moveset difference.

[ornate bone]

mk9 goateded

very poggerful

[ripe quest]

I don't quite understand then, both Mk VI and Mk VII have 2 heavies with 1 overhead, and the Mk IX goes to unlimited H2 and H3's but can chain H1 Special.

The overheads in a combo consist of 2 moves

If it isn't attack speed and it isn't how many moves are in the combo, I don't understand what makes the VI combo faster into the overhead

[olive raven]

It is literally how many moves in the cycle

It’s how it gets back to the strikedown

[fiery ingot]

[steep flame]

i dont have enough aquillas for arts set so i used moebian 21st shit

[fiery ingot]

i liked the moebian costumes a lot

except for veterean

that one sucks

[steep flame]

i havent seen it

[ripe quest]

yee but they all share a 2 move combo with the overhead

[fresh nacelle]

what stat gets dumped on evis?

[ripe quest]

Mobility.

On the Mk XV Cleave is kinda one but I don't recommend dumping it.

[median steeple]

hope everyone has a happy new year

[olive raven]

mk9 doesn’t cycle back to it if you just chain heavies…

[heavy arch]

this from a games lantern build

[olive raven]

That’s where the difference in TTK comes from

[heavy arch]

ive always wondered at people who dodge dogs or muties and not deal with them and then now i have to deal with it like im their sidekick smh

[olive raven]

Link?

[heavy arch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a8c8da9-a1ec-4ff8-9f76-3ff13413f045/machine-gun-rambo

[olive raven]

Tbh I just push dogs

[olive raven]

Oh lord

[heavy arch]

based and cleave pilled

[ornate bone]

Man

Telling people to ignore dogs is some Fextralife build section kind of shit

[olive raven]

It’s certainly interesting

[lethal totem]

flak/unarmored for the braced?

[heavy arch]

idk man

clearly he mag dumps that brauto into horde

[lethal totem]

oh wait is that a games jurno post

sometimes I magdump into hordes for funsies

but I wouldnt build around it lmao