zealot-class

[ripe quest]

Double check it, seems weird that they would change it.

[indigo quartz]

at least when ragers had 1200 base hp

and thus 2400? on damnation

you had to stack up Punishment to get a clean 1 shot

now it just sorta happens

[fiery ingot]

yeah this was 100% a crit

normal headshots seems to deal 1k dmg to rager

[ripe quest]

Punishment is +stagger.

[fiery ingot]

normal headshot

[indigo quartz]

funky

maybe they have a base crit of 0

well, -5% to counteract zealot base 5%

[ripe quest]

mmm from what I can see they're only affected by certain blessings and weapon perks on the actively held weapon.

[indigo quartz]

and blazing piety can give it crit chance

[fiery ingot]

correction

it wasnt a crit

i was just missing headshots 💀

[placid fiber]

So, uh, I've been playing my 2nd vet a bit to get more talents and better gear... I found the first time I actually kind of just wanted the ease of using a power sword over the other leveling crap... and I put t3 power cycler on it. I do plan to put 25% Flak if I keep using it >.>'

That's a pretty decent power sword for a level 13, wouldn't you say? :3

[dense field]

it kinda is

[placid fiber]

I also just barely had enough talent points to get the shout and +50 toughness to me and alies in the radius so I am guessing that's gonna help with carrying scrubs <.<

And if all else fails I have this as my panic button <.<'

Unless you normally use the autopistol with inspiring barrage... you don't know how much you're missing out on >.>

I went from doing good to excelent in my runs to doing amazing to god-tier in my runs <.<'

[candid nest]

wtf? why why did they reuse the pants cosmetics for zealot!?

[flat marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[median steeple]

god I wish we had the old system in place

I hate waiting 2 weeks for reused shit

[placid fiber]

Okay, what the fuck guys?! Why did Fatshark give the VETERAN the Saltspyre reference for the hat INSTEAD OF THE ZEALOT?!

[north sedge]

cause it's not

[placid fiber]

That hat really looks like one of his hads

hats*

I'll show you

[north sedge]

it's rogue trader outfits

everyone got pirate shit

[timber ether]

there is only 1 pointy hat in the universe

[light holly]

Until they give the zealot a pig for their head

I sleep

[placid fiber]

Which has is uncannily similar to these 2 hats^ for witch hunter saltzpyre...

those last 2 are the same one

[light holly]

One is a tricorne

The other is diiifferent

[light holly]

That's uh

Not nessasarily the same

But I see your point

[placid fiber]

Okay I misrembered his hats

on a side note: I absolutely love this outfirst for ironbreaeker bardin

[north sedge]

and yea, the sets were a nod to Rogue Trader

[placid fiber]

Especially with this gun

[ornate bone]

rock and stone

[placid fiber]

Rock and Stone, brother

[fickle shoal]

Rock and Stone, Forever!

[placid fiber]

After watching part of a true solo cata run with Ironbreaker I was able to start using axe and shield mostly effectively

The shield is for temp hp, the axe is for killing things pretty much 1 thing at a time

I honestly didn't know the shield bash gave stagger temp hp until I saw that true solo video >.>'

[surreal marlin]

decent setup ?

[viral hare]

anything is a good setup while levelling, skills matter more than equipment at that point in time

[fickle shoal]

Hit them with the book and enjoy free levels so long as your teammates aren't bots

I do like the eviscerator and stub though, definitely worse weapons to be using to level

[viral hare]

on another note, for the knife enthusiasts in here, between mercy killer, precog, and uncanny, is there a consensus as to which is better?

[fleet zealot]

uncanny+precog best combo

then it's uncanny+ executor

mercy is just a worse precog cause it's easy to dodge soemthing, evne if it's a trashs shooter or groaner, and mercy is only 60% weakspot, while precog is 60% to crit and weakspot

inb4 what about bleed, go uncanny flesh tearer....

[strange kestrel]

precog uncanny

[ornate bone]

I love autoguns

[viral hare]

why not take precog and mercy killer? I feel like that would work decently well with crits

[fleet zealot]

because uncanny is 100% armor rending

[strange kestrel]

rending is more dps

[fleet zealot]

which si the best stat in the game

[ornate bone]

Recon 7d: bodyshot 118, headshot 188
Graia IAG: bodyshot 108, headshot 281

[fleet zealot]

but rending bonus is capped at 100%, so you can't stack ruthless backstab and uncanny

[ornate bone]

Sure I'd love to trade 10 damage for 100 more on a headshot

Oh, the 7d has an even slower fire rate? Awesome

[fleet zealot]

and uncanny strike is jsut more reliable buff

[frozen fable]

what's everyones take on the flamer as a wepon?

[viral hare]

not great rn

but usable

[north sedge]

Ok, but what about flesh tearer lacerate

Flamer is very strong

[fleet zealot]

flamer is strong, but it's in a bad meta for it

[viral hare]

^

[frozen fable]

it feels more like a support wepon

[fleet zealot]

rn you want a ranged weapon that can handle bomber spam

it's not a support weapon it's a kill everything weapon with chastise

[north sedge]

Flamer is best in scab melee only, twins fight

[viral hare]

also psyker just has the flamer but better

[fickle shoal]

I might be using it wrong, but at least when I tried it when leveling, the flamer didn't even seem to handle poxwalkers well, let alone anything else. I'd stay away.

[hardy surge]

Flamer combos nice with throwy knife

[north sedge]

Purgatus ain't melting crushers

[viral hare]

whos out here using flamer on crushers

[fleet zealot]

psyker doesn't go purge either

[north sedge]

Smart people

[fleet zealot]

use chastise

the ranged armor pen applies to flamer burn

so you pre stack flamer, then you chastise and keep flaming the crushers

[north sedge]

Chastise and flamer is a dead pack of crushers

[fleet zealot]

congrats you technically have the highest kill rate of crushers outside of a plasma gun

[hardy surge]

yeah, flamer melts anything and everything with chastice. a lot of fun

[viral hare]

huh

[fleet zealot]

psyker rn goes void, surge, or trauma, only really caring about soulblaze from talents for chip damage

[viral hare]

dont make fun of purg users we will cry

[fleet zealot]

that's levelling

so you don't know how flamer is so don't warn people off it besides "yea too many specialists in the meta so everyone just runs kanty shotgun for their fire fix"

[north sedge]

I'd still rate purgatus over surge easy

[viral hare]

fr tho even tho psyker has better staffs, purg is by no means bad at all, it only cant deal with ogryns and monstrosities

[north sedge]

#zealot-class message flamer weak

[fleet zealot]

flamer isn't hard to roll, but it needs 76% burn stat

burn stat scales both how many stacks you apply per tick, the rate of application, and the max stacks

76% gets you the fastest application and a cap of 16 stacks of fire

[fleet zealot]

they buffed surge a bit even tho it's been up and down the last few patches

it's alright and you can chain shocks really fast

basically just a "fuck this dude in particular" staff

[viral hare]

surge suffers from being good but not having anything over the other staffs tbh

[fleet zealot]

nah

surge was good when it was bugged

and getting smite's EP bonus

that was fun

[viral hare]

well its not bugged rn

so

[fleet zealot]

but it did get bugged again, starting to target limbs, thankfully that got fixed too

[viral hare]

im talking about its current state

[fleet zealot]

yee

[viral hare]

not its history

[fleet zealot]

and i'm tlaking about the history

glad we are on the same page about being on a different page

[viral hare]

lovely

but fr i feel like surge got nothing over the other staffs rn

give it buffs

[fleet zealot]

it's in the same spot BR is in

[viral hare]

yeahhh

[fleet zealot]

single target pumping isn't really needed in this meta

but at least surge has like, no charge time

especially when you ramp up a few blasts

[viral hare]

im a big advocate for just making ep bb default

[ornate bone]

mood

[surreal marlin]

whats best knife/

[viral hare]

mk3 for single target the other one for better horde clear

realistically people just use mk3

[frozen fable]

how about bolter with zelot?

[surreal marlin]

is kniife better than chain sword/

[viral hare]

up to what you value

[strange kestrel]

^

[viral hare]

knife's main pro is the schmoovement you get

[flat marsh]

Just get an autoclicker and +attack speed and use the mk3 for horde clear too 🙂

Seriously. Get an autoclicker

My pinkie gets sore with all the fucking camera movements I have to do with knife

[north sedge]

Chainsword is a better weapon

[viral hare]

the meta for knife is to have other loadouts to switch to before your fingers explode

[dense field]

No

[surreal marlin]

1h axe tactical good/

?

[fleet zealot]

No

[surreal marlin]

smalll or big chainsword?

[fleet zealot]

None of them really like the BM change

Both are good

Evi and chsword both have variants now

And taxe has 3

[desert vessel]

does anyone have a good martyrdom build I can see

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-stitch-chainsaw-gif-14058936

small

[north sedge]

Whichever you prefer

[viral hare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af65ddf-e3a1-4f3e-b4f7-a4e58c614135/yeah?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what i use

good fun

forgor to add perks to crusher but its flak/maniac

[desert vessel]

thanks

[viral hare]

you can take punishment instead of thy wrath be swift if preferred, i just like movement speed

[olive raven]

Couple things

Ability cooldown for martyr isn’t good, you’d want to invest that else where

[exotic portal]

What ulti?

ability power

[opaque island]

personally i like chastise, more for the voicelines than anything else

[olive raven]

The node in general is bad, doesn’t matter the ult

[viral hare]

works pretty well for me, cdr on chorus is pretty damn good, and with the amount of toughness regen you have with the build you dont really get close to danger ever

[olive raven]

Talking abt the CDR one next to the +2 wounds

[fiery ingot]

no soc

[olive raven]

I don’t disagree that CDR is good

I’m saying that CDR node is bad

[opaque island]

it doesnt specify health damage, with chastise the toughness damage you are taking can be offset with toughness regen giving you some cooldown for more chastise.

[surreal marlin]

what is puniishment

[viral hare]

different talents

[viral hare]

also this

[opaque island]

while its definitely not the best use of chastise, it does work

[olive raven]

The curios perks are uh… interesting.

Honestly I’d just swap some of them with HP/Toughness

[exotic portal]

Still hard to get over, 4 spots was used for a tricket at the commesary shop

[olive raven]

Like not having a single buff to that is uh bold

[olive raven]

It’s HP only 👍

On this episode of fatshark tool tips lie

[opaque island]

for real?

[surreal marlin]

i cant find it

[olive raven]

Well yea.

[opaque island]

i dont have creature spawner to test this

[north sedge]

Martyrs purpose only works on hp dmg and the conversion rate is dog

[olive raven]

If it was toughness that would be very fucking broken 💀

[opaque island]

trash tier, i misinformed myself

[viral hare]

you dont have to follow it exactly, just take what you feel would work for you

[opaque island]

well i guess fatshark misinformed me

idk

[viral hare]

thats just an example build i use and works pretty nice on auric damnation

[olive raven]

Also a +3 stamina curios is an interesting take

you’d see more value out of a toughness or HP curios

I get it’s a crusher and funny push attack go brrrt but

Yea

You only ever really run stamina curios on vet or psyker

[opaque island]

if im going for the biggest bonk possible, should i go chastise or shroud?

Crucis Thammer

[olive raven]

Yea and your example build will get given advice on how to improve it if you are recommending it to others, for their sake

[olive raven]

shroud will give more damage

Typical big bonk builds are Shroud/Martyr

[opaque island]

but i can use chastise more is what im thinking

[olive raven]

I personally go for 2-4 tap builds on bosses

So use whatever

[viral hare]

(i told him he doesnt have to follow it exactly lol, buildmaking is personal preference most of the time anyways)

[north sedge]

Chastise is better for all around bonking

[olive raven]

Hence why I am giving advice on how to improve the build. Run whatever you like at the end of day.

[opaque island]

PUnishment or Sustained assault

[north sedge]

Sustained

[exotic portal]

Why is the trinket so stiff?

[viral hare]

i mean you're mostly just talking about the curios and one talent

[opaque island]

on is uninterruptable after 5 stacks, one is 4% melee damage after hitting 5 stacks

[north sedge]

It's excited

[viral hare]

which are by far the least important in any build and maybe the most personal preference thing in the game

[exotic portal]

It's not jiggily

[north sedge]

If you have twbs, punishment doesn't matter for that

[exotic portal]

Not hanging straight down

[opaque island]

its swing uninterruptable not me being u

[north sedge]

It's the same effect as twbs but worse

Just means you don't flinch

Twbs however is just active always

No stacking

That's my hammee build if you want to see

Can switch desperation to holy rev if you like

[copper hawk]

It's a bicorn

Naval hatte

And land army hatte

Cuz rogue traitor cosmeticz

I appreciate that Saltz (not naval) wears his in line w his shoulders (athwart style)

And the rogue trader cosmetic has the vet wearin it fore n aft

Which is what 18th and 19th centuries militaries did w the bicorn

Cuz the wind

[north sedge]

Cica knows too much about hats

[copper hawk]

Bery coole..

I love fashion

And dresse up..

[median steeple]

nerd alert ! :3

[viral hare]

the mad hatter

[delicate shadow]

based hat enjoyer

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-gigacat-cat-mewing-mogging-gif-12429734670640119345

[ripe quest]

If only that made it better at horde clear.

[flat marsh]

It certainly saves you from fatigue to keep maximum attack speed

Remove the human element

For the flesh is weak

[viral hare]

i mean its not thaaaat bad, its servicable at least

the push attack is nice

[flat marsh]

I don't really push it back, but I keep a horde in place which is really all I need with the knife

I'm not giving up ground when I'm clearing with the mk3

Tbh, I have no idea what to do with the special attack

Legitimately never used the punch

[viral hare]

i dont think anybody does tbh

i see some application for the other knife

not mk3

[ripe quest]

It can be used to kill Ragers.

If you don't have Punishment or a +impact talent it's nice to have.

[flat marsh]

I just throw a knife and then finish with a heavy stab at this point

I don't really duel ragers with the mk3

[viral hare]

i have a revolver for those situations

i aint getting close to a rager

[flat marsh]

I'm on flamer to cover knife's weakness with sudden mass elites

So throwing knife complements the entire setup really well

[viral hare]

in my time trying to get uncanny, ive been using flesh tearer+mercy, and the bleed actually helps quite a bit with horde clear

[flat marsh]

I do crit builds. If I make something bleed because of a crit, I just think of it as 10% more crit instead of any actual useful damage

The only real time the bleed on crit thing is useful is for a monster

Probably the only time I notice it doing anything

[viral hare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af66abd-8413-46a5-9a20-91dca5c0a4ae/bleed-crit?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what i use

i do notice the bleed a lot when cutting up a horde

one day ill get uncanny, hopefully soon, cuz i want to see what all the hypes about

alr got precog 4

[prisma sigil]

People who aren't ready for auric damns but queue for them anyways really like to complain when you don't go 2 mph and hold their hands

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-mr-bones-thres-hold-kids-skeleton-gif-17856936

[median steeple]

what the fuck is that bro

[north sedge]

The gif?

[median steeple]

yeah lmao

what is that from

[north sedge]

That's Mr. Bones

[median steeple]

holy shit

[north sedge]

From Control

[viral hare]

no thats my worst nightmare actually

[median steeple]

holy shit I remember

god what a great game

[north sedge]

https://youtu.be/1d-nYWSJoa0?si=cWa0SWQXV3awhb2m

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/control-dr-darling-dynamite-jesse-faden-gif-20439506

[copper hawk]

Alzheimers defeated

[median steeple]

TRUE

wait what

[copper hawk]

My roommate is watching some old anime

[surreal marlin]

what is best dps zealot build?

[copper hawk]

That's like generic pervu anime

Pervy*

[ember yew]

I was running shroud yesterday again a few times and i'm never gonna do that ever again. Yes, it's funny to hit the boss for like 60k per hit, but how many opportunities you have to do so per match. It get dull pretty fast.
Better go chastice and have more active gameplay.

[viral hare]

depends, single target or horde clear?

[copper hawk]

Had one of the funniest lines I've ever heard

[ornate bone]

How does melee critical hits work? Like I assumed it was head shots but that didn't cause bleed.

[olive raven]

I mean shit probably a HS6 + Bolter/Revolver

[copper hawk]

Hey (character).. the 12th graderz r gonna jump u.. and 1 of them is gay they said.. and he said he's gonna fuck u.. gwahahaha..

[olive raven]

Crits are just a hit dealing like 40% more damage than normal

[surreal marlin]

hs6 ? whats this

[olive raven]

Headshots are weak point hits

Which deal extra damage but not crit levels

[olive raven]

Heavy Sword 6

[dense field]

Knife is pain

[viral hare]

heavy sword 6

[ornate bone]

Is there a way to see crit chance on your weapon

[surreal marlin]

but what about talent wise?

[olive raven]

Fastest elite TTK and 2nd best horde clear by literally two swings

[olive raven]

Chastise/Momentum with it

[olive raven]

Most are base 5%

Certain ones like knife, laspistol, etc have increased base chance

[fleet zealot]

Goodnight kindred

[copper hawk]

Hai amelia

Gn amelia

[dense field]

nighty

[fleet zealot]

Remember your roommates are bastards

[olive raven]

I believe someone figured out the base crit chances awhile ago

[viral hare]

ty for ferret pic

[copper hawk]

My roommate is fine

I walked in on him w his girl once

[ornate bone]

So if crit bleed Zealot go with knife?

[copper hawk]

Despair

I have 2 kill him

He knows I'm pan

No witnesses

[surreal marlin]

so this - https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4f4a0b-666d-4786-865a-6fcf8e0a48b4/fuplaayz-ultimate-zealot-patch-15 ?

[fleet zealot]

One of their family came over knowingly sick and passed out presents and now everyone in the house is getting sick and it just caught up to me

[median steeple]

you cannot recover from this blow

[olive raven]

I wouldn’t put bleed on my knife

[dense field]

No, you go with devil's claw or an eviscerator

[fleet zealot]

I laid down and coughed like 8 times

[ornate bone]

I'm using Scourge

[fleet zealot]

Fuck this

[fleet zealot]

You use scourge for the 30% crit chance

Bleed is bad

[olive raven]

Uh

For what

What are you looking to get here

[surreal marlin]

general high end game?

[olive raven]

A heavy sword build?

Aight 1 sec

[ember yew]

This is usable:
Replace Savage Sweep with Shred

And Curios are shet

[dense field]

Those are some illegal curios

[ember yew]

also, i would replace revolver with something spammable like generic ak47 or laspistol

so you can deal better with hordes of gunners

[surreal marlin]

where is shred?

[ornate bone]

I was mainly concerned with not getting full value of the talent

[olive raven]

This build will handle damn near anything.

Heavy sword for everything but bosses, crusher packs if needed

[dense field]

Gunners shoot better than us but can't brawl. It's generally better to just walk up to them and kick their kneecaps in

[olive raven]

I’d swap to bolter only for heavily armored targets or bosses fr fr

[haughty nacelle]

Heavy sword is baby

[viral hare]

bolter is so nice but damn the 15 bullet mag size hurts my soul

[haughty nacelle]

I don’t actually like how the bolter handles

[olive raven]

15 bullets but each dealing 500+ damage

So

[viral hare]

vet def uses it a lot better

[olive raven]

It ain’t bad

[haughty nacelle]

Vet handles about any gun better tho

[olive raven]

It’s used on this build to fill out the weaknesses of the heavy sword

Which is armor and bosses

[viral hare]

pretty much, ive seen some spooky stuff with vets using bolter tho

[olive raven]

Like you can take a revolver, I often do. Buttttt you end up spending minutes to kill one boss with a revolver

So the bolter is genuinely better in this scenario

[ornate bone]

Surge voidstrike + fire shriek + uncanny illisi = unpowered monitor magician

[haughty nacelle]

Thats why you tell your friend to run plasma so you dont gotta bother

[ornate bone]

wait wrong chat

ah fuck it, I'm not reposting it elsewhere

[haughty nacelle]

Gg

[olive raven]

Eh it’s not needed for me

[ornate bone]

I feel stinky, I'm going back to dueling sword and GUN

the other gun, I mean

[viral hare]

what the fuck

[dense field]

Nice GUN

[ember yew]

[viral hare]

modding was a mistake

this is too much power to give to people

[ornate bone]

game crashed

couldn't handle GUN

[viral hare]

i thought i saw it all with shovel-staff

[ember yew]

u calld

[steel agate]

Dang which ogryn did u give ur rations for that beaut

[viral hare]

It’s bigger than I remembered

[novel forum]

steam artwork is funny

until you scrolldown and it become degenerate section

[viral hare]

As most steam workshop pages do

[ember yew]

dang son

[dense field]

I tried the new knife and it's dogshit I'm obviously too underskilled to utilize it's full potential.

[ember yew]

[viral hare]

tbf the old one is better

[viral hare]

And easier

[dense field]

Yeah

[opaque island]

so true

[viral hare]

Having its only strike down on heavy 3 is bootycheeks

[novel forum]

its funny with haymaker

[viral hare]

utilizing the special to get to it easier is finicky

[prisma sigil]

Anybody know what the block limit is?

[opaque island]

whats the source for this picture? what it was traced from

do you know

[dense field]

There is none

It depends on your stamina

[opaque island]

ogryn shield with stam perk and max stamina curio

how many stamina bars is that

[dense field]

all of them

[olive raven]

Too many and not needed

[opaque island]

honestly, i just want to see it

[olive raven]

I’ve seen it

I fucking hate it

[surreal solstice]

Wholesometide

[olive raven]

I’ve never seen ogryns go down so quick

When they run that curios set

[viral hare]

Sounds hilarious

I wanna try it

[opaque island]

i feel like with good use of taunts it could help a tank ogryn

dont see alot of those though

killin' is just easier and better

[misty raven]

Had a 6 wound ogryn in my game this week

[dense field]

Blocking is like the worst thing you can spend your time to

as a tanking ogryn

[olive raven]

I am horrified at every wound, max HP and stamina Ogryn I see

[viral hare]

‘eretics cant hitcha if you kill em first

[north sedge]

I've also seen a max stamina ogryn, he went down every single fight

[prisma sigil]

No I mean blocking players

[dense field]

It's very low

[misty raven]

When I was lvling ogryn I had stam and wound on because I was just repeating what I used for every other class

[dense field]

something like 25

[prisma sigil]

That's annoying

[copper hawk]

Snoying

[dense field]

Why?

It took me a year to block 4 people

[viral hare]

Most people I feel the need to block I never see again so I can’t be asked

[prisma sigil]

Cus I want to just start blocking people who piss me off so I don't get matched with them again

[fiery ingot]

50

[olive raven]

This is more concerning

[fiery ingot]

i know because i've reached that limit

[prisma sigil]

I once got the same annoying ass psyker like 6 auric damns in a row

Before my buddy told me blocking prevents matchmaking with them

I never knew it did that so now I want to make more use of it

[fiery ingot]

it was better in vermintide

[misty raven]

How? When you're new and bad, you like to pad stuff. Until I realized how much stam ogryn and zealot had at base, I just wanted stam

[fiery ingot]

where you would block players in steam

and then you dont have a limit to how many steam players you block

[dense field]

You can just do the same

[surreal solstice]

Eh, hp curio on ogryn makes sense
...if It's mixed with toughness

[dense field]

Hunt them down through steam

[olive raven]

Pre-fire change maybe

Now? Nah

2x tough/1x hp is ideal for Ogryn or 3x Tough

[surreal solstice]

Literally what I just said lol

[olive raven]

You’ll see significantly more benefit from running minimum 2x toughness on most things.

For training wheels, having a wound is fine yea but I’d do stamina perks instead of blessing.

[misty raven]

I know. I said it was how I was lvling ogryn and the other classes

[fiery ingot]

lol for levelin i take whatever curio is on the store. i just need the 10% xp

[novel forum]

its the white knight meme

[opaque island]

I like the spin on it, much more wholesome

more broad reaching less white knighty

[ember yew]

Darktide is like 50 slots for blocking, while garbage (monetization) Overwatch 2 got 3

3

for gods sake

would be nice if you can setup/write a reason for blocking

so you can check notes later

and maybe unblock the person or never unblock

[woeful osprey]

opinions? liking the idea of having a bit of a bonus regardless of if i hit all my pellets or not

[placid fiber]

Know what's sad? I could probably hold my own on a high in damnation game in Darktide... but champion just my friends and my rusty ass XD

[prisma sigil]

"Maelstrom"

[ember yew]

the reward for that is ass too

probably like 45k

or something

highest maelstrom is like 84k

[dense field]

It's extremely good

[calm salmon]

It still has the uber fucked AI director

So the difficulty is actually maelstrom

[drifting wolf]

what a steal

[calm salmon]

its just not VEG12

But it will give you zero breaks when players die, will not calm down with special spam

blablabla

[ember yew]

and with 3 ordo dockets curios you are looking at 100k+

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[dense field]

I suggest Full Bore or Deathspitter or Fire frenzy instead of scattershot

[ember yew]

best deal

[dense field]

MB

NO RESPITE

Not the other things

[versed girder]

Whats a good talent tree for grinding auric pugs

[dense field]

NO RESPITE

[versed girder]

I still havent found favorite weapons, tho i know i prefer the power/chain melee weapons and like using my gun for bosses

[ember yew]

guns for bosses is

[dense field]

Flamer?

Boltgun works too

[steep flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821202010287898656/1189688470327791706/IMG_9633.jpg?ex=659f12ba&is=658c9dba&hm=d388d0bb69149ecda0b7e9892df4a65d0def0c528f89d657f0bfc2a9426790a6&

[ember yew]

or last pistol with infernus (but need crit build)

[versed girder]

I figured in flamer/axe builds the flamer was for hordes and axe for boss

[ember yew]

but not sure about that one

[dense field]

Flamer destroys bosses

[steep flame]

i want greek nathan's foot long meat and yogurt in my mouth

[dense field]

(with facts and logic)

[versed girder]

I see ok

[dense field]

This also works great vs bosses

[oblique mirage]

IMO full bore is hard to proc on that shotty cuz of the spread. Scatter is good as the flame shot pierces so it will consitently proc the full 5 stacks. I've heard there is a level 2 only perk that is good to combine with that. I think its "crits ignore hitmass" or something like it. Hard to get once youre max level though as level 2 perks become more rare.

And my personal taste is to take maniacs bonus dmg over unyielding as i deal with unyielding with other parts of my kit and theyre less thretening than the ragers are. at least to me.

agree with above that it's better for bosses as full bore has a chance to work there.

[spiral anvil]

Unyielding is okay for fire shells and bulwarks gangs

[subtle cedar]

scattershot gives you stacks based on how many enemies were in the path of the shot, not actually how many it hit

[spiral anvil]

You just burn them through the shields

[oblique mirage]

oh thats true. I forgot about shield pierce. good point

[subtle cedar]

so you don't need the fire shot to get full stacks

[dense field]

Full bore is not hard to proc because the spread gets tighter when you ADS

[spiral anvil]

Fullbore is easy to proc, also buffs burn damage, same as no respite

[dense field]

Yes

[oblique mirage]

Hmm maybe I should go back and try it more with FB

[dense field]

And flechette+manstopper is a meme build

[oblique mirage]

doesn't work well?

[spiral anvil]

I run that on my Agri shotty crit zealot

[dense field]

It works funny

[oblique mirage]

Haven't tried that one myself cuz I didn't wanna grind for the lvl 2 perk

[spiral anvil]

It's not good but it's an option

[dense field]

But it's not "optimal"

It's an option

[spiral anvil]

It works kind of like budget fire rounds

[oblique mirage]

any of you have firm ooinions on the crit fury end cap perk vs momentum? I feel like the amount of crits is so much better but I see many good players using momentum and wonder if im missing somethign

[dense field]

It's an "I'm not like all the other girls" type option.

[oblique mirage]

the crits making my cooldown almost instant just seems so strong

[spiral anvil]

Momentum has attack speed, which feels nice

Some people prefer that over anything

[dense field]

They are both good and very solid

[oblique mirage]

even on dagger builds?

[spiral anvil]

Also the hidden modifier to dodge distance momentum gives

[dense field]

Yes

[oblique mirage]

on a dagger is the extra speed still worth?

[spiral anvil]

They believe so

[dense field]

And extra damage

[spiral anvil]

I don't run knife builds

[oblique mirage]

haha fair

[spiral anvil]

Momentum also doesn't have the weird tax talent

[oblique mirage]

also, is the power maul still aids or am I just bad.

[spiral anvil]

Something about impact

Crusher?

It's meta

It's just the weapon that solves the entire game

[dense field]

Crusher is ok

[spiral anvil]

Bosses, horde, crushers, all die

[oblique mirage]

I really struggle with it. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[spiral anvil]

Aim the head

Do the combos

Push attack is super high finesse modifier

[oblique mirage]

Fail. Ill keep trying

Fair*

[spiral anvil]

Pushattack light heavy on grounded heretics

Delete

[dense field]

heavy+light for single target
Light+heavy(+light+light optional) for hordes

[spiral anvil]

You shouldn't activate unless you going for a chastise or stagger

Lower dps than heavy light loop

[oblique mirage]

chastise on power up? why?

spreads the crits over a wide area for cooldown purposes?

[spiral anvil]

It just kills things that you can't otherwise

Like mauler usually dies if you activate chastise heavy the head

[oblique mirage]

ah ok.

Thanks for your thoughts

[buoyant pecan]

Yea chastise degrades the armor (in simple non math terms)

[spiral anvil]

Optional but it gives you extra stagger too to just let you beat up everything else

[buoyant pecan]

So mauler head (carapace) becomes flak

This is an oversimplification

But yea, crit+ armor downgrade=big numbers

[oblique mirage]

is this why guns do big dmg after chastise?

[buoyant pecan]

Yes

[spiral anvil]

Guns or flamer yep

[buoyant pecan]

They don't get the crit but they benefit from the armor downgrade

[spiral anvil]

You roast the crushers for abit THEN chastise

[buoyant pecan]

Ywa get the burn stacks on em

And the blaze stacks

[spiral anvil]

It's not as stupid OP as it used to be before fire nerf but yea still decent

[oblique mirage]

So the burn stacks that were applied prior to the armour downgrade become retroactively better?

[spiral anvil]

For the duration of chastise you get the armor downgrade

So you get more value if you activate after getting alot of burn stacks

[copper hawk]

Im plasma pilled now

Mmm plamma..

[spiral anvil]

If you activate and then start burning, the effect is gonna wear out before you get the burn stacks going

Plamma milk

[ornate bone]

plilk

[woeful osprey]

putting milk in your plasma gun sounds like an ogryn sorta thing to do

[steel agate]

u guys dont water ur plasma guns?

missing out tbh

[vestal gull]

what blessings would you want on a flamer? I got this from a mission drop

[dense field]

Showstopper->Blaze away

[fiery ingot]

overpressure?

[spiral anvil]

I have never even seen showstopper

[spiral anvil]

No never Nuh uh

[dense field]

Is it still bugged?

[spiral anvil]

Yes

[fiery ingot]

why?

[spiral anvil]

It doesn't affect burn damage

[fiery ingot]

oh that sucks

[spiral anvil]

Only direct damage

[dense field]

They will fix it someday

[spiral anvil]

Lol, lmao even

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[spiral anvil]

It's been a year

[vestal gull]

So what, blaze away and..

[fiery ingot]

why is the pinned sheet pointing overpressure then?

[spiral anvil]

But like nobody plays flamer sooo

[fiery ingot]

for flamer

oh its bugged???

[median steeple]

2days remain

[copper hawk]

2 slays remain

[spiral anvil]

Because... It isn't well researched

It's like a vibe list

[fiery ingot]

bruh

[dense field]

And Unyielding instead of reload speed

[fiery ingot]

i've been crafting a shit ton of weapons based on that

[median steeple]

slay king

[spiral anvil]

It doesn't even say why, no research into breakpoints or anything

[copper hawk]

Yaaaarp

[vestal gull]

So keep fan the flames?

[dense field]

Yeah

[spiral anvil]

It's better than reload speed

Perk is more important

[dense field]

whoosh whoosh to stagger

[vestal gull]

[spiral anvil]

Ideally you want the reload blessing but you can't have everything

[fiery ingot]

i want to build a flamer knife piety loadout

seems pretty fun to burn maulers to death

[spiral anvil]

Flamer is strong

[vestal gull]

Do I keep carapace damage?

[spiral anvil]

Just gotta pull it out real early

[dense field]

Yes

[fiery ingot]

and i was also using that sheet for reference so

[vestal gull]

Cool so Unyielding/Carapace with Blaze away & quickflame then

[spiral anvil]

Yea but you need chastise for this to make sense

[fiery ingot]

what perks do i want on flamer and dagger?

[vestal gull]

lol i was inspired by this guy

he seemed to be having fun

[spiral anvil]

Farming for yellow numbers lmao

[median steeple]

what a name lmao

[dense field]

Ideally that would be flak/unyielding

[spiral anvil]

Knife I dunno you can check the psyker guide maybe

[dense field]

The sheet is correct about the knife

[fiery ingot]

ahh okok

ty

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[spiral anvil]

It's darktide crafting, you don't know if they had a choice in that or no

[vestal gull]

speaking of not having a choice

[ember yew]

but its like

[vestal gull]

I can't get a good damage roll heavy evis

[ember yew]

having 0 blessings

[vestal gull]

[dense field]

Bloodletter->Rampage
Critical->Flak

And it's saved

[vestal gull]

but the low damage roll

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-pepe-smadging-gif-26061387

[dense field]

And?

[ember yew]

well its like

3% diff

or something

or 2

you got max pen and max shred roll

[fiery ingot]

i like your pfp. watching it spin makes me feel comfortable

[vestal gull]

[fiery ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/catspin-gif-12303895773004295802

[dense field]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/563107712481624064/882686713804243015/733361115307704410.gif

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-china-classic-gif-18490014

[surreal solstice]

Crit to Carapace
Blood to rampage (or shred if you like yellow)

[vestal gull]

I was thinking shred and rampage

I DO like yellow after all..

[dense field]

Rampage is mandatory

[vestal gull]

ye

[surreal solstice]

Bullshit

[dense field]

You have bloodthirsty for yellow

[vestal gull]

but what if

more yellow

[dense field]

yellower?

[vestal gull]

yellowest

as hadron once said, "gooderer"

[surreal solstice]

I run shred + thirsty
CRITVISCERATOR

[vestal gull]

Btw does quickplay que you into maelstroms?

[surreal solstice]

Then go for crit cooldown and hit ult
And again
And again
AND AGAIN
THE PARTY NEVER ENDS

[surreal solstice]

Don't think so, no

[vestal gull]

[spiral anvil]

Basically + 10% attack speed during hordes

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/it-wont-stop-ed-mayor-of-kingstown-its-never-ending-its-still-going-gif-24475699

[surreal solstice]

NO BRAKES ON THE RAPE TRAIN, BABY

Hillarious with marty

[left iron]

No

[median steeple]

doing so is a one way ticket to brain drain town

[olive raven]

Fucking what

[median steeple]

you heard em

[frozen glen]

[vestal gull]

zealots aren't known for subtlety

[surreal solstice]

What's a subtlety and how can I kill it

[tall palm]

is impact just damage or is it more like a stagger?

just got this

[median steeple]

yea impact is stagger iirc

[surreal solstice]

Everything too slow too escape

[tall palm]

worth keeping then?

i usually use evis so im not sure if the sword any good

[surreal solstice]

I'd keep it if just for the memes

[oak ermine]

It’s also responsible for stagger duration, but overall impact blessings are not great/optimal on the Catachans

[tall palm]

parry is pretty good for dunking on ragers i know that

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-luigi-call-the-squad-im-gonna-need-backup-squad-gif-26230264

[tall palm]

their both locked so i cant even change em either

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-spin-spin-chair-spinning-chair-gif-26292822

[fading vale]

yeah just sell it for ordos tbh

[oak ermine]

Do with it as you think best.

[drowsy steppe]

fuck did I scrolled

[tall palm]

i'll try it for a game or two

[drowsy steppe]

this is a terrible blessing combo for claw unfortunately

[tall palm]

it was just given to me so idk

i'll try it in meat grinder

[oak ermine]

OK. Consider this: do you feel like that these blessings do what you want to do with the weapon?

[surreal solstice]

Blessings are terrible, but as I said I'd keep it for the clawhammer memes
Cash is easy to earn anyway

[oak ermine]

Certainly do give it a try

[frozen temple]

do u guys wanna see something truly sad

[oak ermine]

Going off of somebody’s advice is OK, but it’s useless if you don’t have the feeling how the weapon performs in your eyes, if at all

[surreal solstice]

I have a mirror, thanks

[frozen temple]

this is worse

[oak ermine]

I don’t mind, I think

[frozen temple]

I got this hammer when I first started playing and didnt fully understand the crafting system... so i kinda fucked it xD

KEK

[dense field]

KINDA

[surreal solstice]

OOF

[vale carbon]

It's a good souvenir

[ember loom]

so what is the consensus on the two evisverators? is the new one better than the og?

[drowsy steppe]

lol

[tall palm]

i know the meat grinder aint the same as an actual mission but its really good at knocking anything not carapace to the floor

[oak ermine]

I… don’t think anything of value was lost?

[ember yew]

i have finished

the best martyrdom

curios set

[vale carbon]

Roughly similar.
New one is slower with more cleave comparatively

[ember loom]

ngl, i was thinking that im starting to prefer the old one again

the cleave is so nice

[surreal solstice]

Old is better with hordes, new is better at single target
Personally prefer new one because it fucks crusher and bosses

[tall palm]

love the old one

[dense field]

I dislike the old one

It's so mediocre

[vale carbon]

It's not like the new one is particularly struggling against horses, no?
Also light attacks against crushers and bosses right?

[ember yew]

i dont like h1 into l2 for horde clear

[surreal solstice]

I'm running same build
Glad to see another man of culture

[ember yew]

if we are talking about mk2

[oak ermine]

The OG is flexible, while being slightly worse at single target, but it doesn’t require a lot of space to operate. The Mk15, the new one, has much higher single target damage potential than the first one, but it needs space to output that damage and is less flexible in big groups of enemies, especially with how one-dimensional are its attacks

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-cheers-the-great-gatsby-coupe-glass-toast-gif-10657915

[frozen temple]

why cant they just put the eviscerators teeth on the thunder hammer's head and call it a day

[vale carbon]

Because then you'd have the crusher

[frozen temple]

o_O

[dense field]

How's it more flexible than XV?

[surreal solstice]

It has a 4 target cap but it works more or less alright
And you want heavy revs against heavy targets lights just tickles them
Also I think old one has higher attack speed

[vale carbon]

I feel like if you want attack speed you should use the small chainsword

[ember loom]

so going back and forth between the two

i do appreciate being able to delete crushers on the mk15

[tall palm]

so the og one is for hordes but i've got it setup for single target because i've had it forever

[frozen temple]

Which one would you guys use/is better? Number 1 or 2? I cant decide o_e

[vale carbon]

Though I am really morbidly curious about using small chainsword on zealot

[oak ermine]

You can just swing L1-L4 at heads’ level and deliver while dodging, or stagger/damage multiple foes with H1. You can’t really do that with the 15 - its light attacks are somewhat slower and lack the strikedown finesse modifiers that downcut lights (L1, L4) of the 2 have.

[frozen temple]

u become quite a speedy boi that can still deal with maulers and stuff

[surreal solstice]

And as Kjerad said, you do need some space with XV
Despite overhead heavies it'a easy for the attack to get intercepted by a poxer between you and the target

[drowsy steppe]

both are great. I personally would use the one with Headtaker still

[tall palm]

my og evis seems kinda shit now we have this new one

[oak ermine]

I find it hard to work under pressure with the 15, too. Any big target + small targets is painful to get through without other resources.

[vale carbon]

How much of a meme is a full swing speed Marty build with knife?

[frozen temple]

man its so weird how thats basically a god roll but the games rating system be like "'duhhh yeAh DaTs a 334"

[oak ermine]

It doesn’t matter if you’re actively avoiding getting hit

[dense field]

Eh it's easy to snipe big targets with a push attack

[oak ermine]

But I wouldn’t take a knife on Martyrdom builds. It doesn’t feel right

[dense field]

and lights stagger really good

[ornate bone]

Is there a channel for builds?

[oak ermine]

Check the threads in this topic.

[ornate bone]

I'm looking for a Flamer and Thammer build

[copper hawk]

Perfect strike

Bloodthirsty

https://tenor.com/view/amelia-watson-bee-amelia-amelia-bee-amelia-watson-bee-gif-23755204

[tall palm]

[olive raven]

Parry is good but you don’t rlly have good blessings for it

[livid siren]

https://youtu.be/x6qjvT0DSso

[olive raven]

It’s not a good reaction imma be real chief

im curious wtf the first one was then 💀

[buoyant pecan]

Hello? Eviscercator Artist

Draw me a Chain Axe

[tall palm]

first what

[olive raven]

Evis.

[tall palm]

that one is the og evis

[olive raven]

Oh lord 💀

[ornate bone]

I have a problem constantly going down as Zealot like the toughness doesn't hold up in comparison to so much as Psyker

[livid siren]

f key

toughness printer 9000

[surreal solstice]

It's not that old considering you have both perks altered

[olive raven]

What build are you running

That’s the first question

[ember yew]

try heavysword momentum (keynode) build

you regen like 50 toughness per heavy swing

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1149003745686994990/1153100054094172322/RattleRattle.gif

[ember yew]

and move with a speed of light

[ornate bone]

Down the line I'll try it out but I'm not even 30 and close to abandoning Zealot for the Abhumans.

[olive raven]

cmon Danish cellular you can send a fucking picture, you can do it

Well… still show what you are working with

[ember yew]

ah, if you dont have the talents then its ok

just level up

[olive raven]

You can make something workable at lower levels just to survive

[dense field]

Melee more

[ornate bone]

Any advice one such?

[ember yew]

he can still go heavy sword and second wind

[olive raven]

Well

What weapon are you using

[ornate bone]

I focus on melee on Zealot

[olive raven]

Well good, now what weapon

[ornate bone]

I'm currently using a Power Maul and was using an auto gun but got a Flamer because I like Pyro builds.

[surreal solstice]

I love how this makes H1 crits practically useless against crushers
Which you specced specifically to

[olive raven]

Okay so a crusher and flamer

Good options tbh

[olive raven]

So

[ornate bone]

Ye I want to do Flamer and Thammer ultimately figure this is the closest til I get there.

[dense field]

What kills you the most?

[olive raven]

For perks on those weapons, go Flak/Maniac

[ornate bone]

Honestly I think hordes.

[olive raven]

For crusher you just need skullcrusher. Flamer just blaze away

I recommend learning the crushers combos as well

Now for talents

How many talent points do you have?

[dense field]

Just hordes? Then you might want to change your melee weapon for now.

[olive raven]

Tbh stick with crusher till lvl 30

[dense field]

If it's painful to level, don't stick with crusher

[olive raven]

shhh crusher is good

[dense field]

It is

[olive raven]

Just takes a little time to practice is all

[ornate bone]

I'm thinking I might do better with the right side tree but I hate the grenade to knives swap.

[surreal solstice]

But crushers works dumb good against hordes

[dense field]

But it's obviously not good for them right now

[ripe quest]

Grab DR, Shield of Contempt is solid. Vicious Offering and Second Wind are very potent, EWEW is a nice passive bonus but not crazy. Fury and Chorus both can act as a panic button. You can easily stack Ogryn levels of DR on Zealot and it amplifies effective toughness.

[buoyant pecan]

Simple

Be in melee

[olive raven]

Ya just uh need how many points so I don’t accidentally out-point you

Actually 1 sec

[buoyant pecan]

You are now immune to death si long as your killing

[drowsy steppe]

🤓

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-enemies-vinland-saga-gif-5351260217907661521

[tall palm]

thats kinda what chastise the wicked is for tbh

[livid siren]

https://giphy.com/gifs/indiana-jones-RJOYRvEEeMlby

[ornate bone]

Feels like even as I slaughter a horde I eventually still go down even with the action dash regening half my toughness.

I just got to level 12

[olive raven]

Build into the top right, mid right & mid left first

Sending talent pic, give my cellular like 5 minutes lmao

EWEW and Second wind will give you massive toughness regen without dash

So hopefully that’ll bolster your survivability

[surreal solstice]

...so you specced for carapace
And you use the charge to get a crit and cleave through crushers barely dealing any dmg because Perfect Strike

[olive raven]

Also tbh don’t use duelist I misclicked on that

[ember yew]

so

level 12

something like this?

[olive raven]

Uh

No

1 sec

[ember yew]

or shoud he go

twbs

i forgot what wep he's using

if he can heavy, he can use that toughness heavy kills

[ripe quest]

If you really want survivability smth like this works.

[tall palm]

never said it was perfect but it seems to do alright

[olive raven]

I’d say do this cause TWBS + Good balance will give you fuck tons of survivability

[ripe quest]

I suppose it depends on what you're struggling with.

[olive raven]

No melee or ranged stuns + 25% DR + 15% toughness on dodge + 3.5% toughness regen

It’ll allow you to literally just AD dodge in a horde and never die

[dense field]

Press your right mouse button sometimes, dodge side to side sometimes

[olive raven]

*if right click, push attack after

[ornate bone]

You know what, my problem might be that I just don't block and don't understand the sprint meter

[surreal solstice]

Hey, if it works for you

[ornate bone]

I gtg expect me to bug you guys tomorrow when I start up again.

[olive raven]

Ya just make sure to push if you do block, much more useful. Mf blocking is 360 degrees

[tall palm]

tbf i really should just work one getting a better one but im kinda attached to this one because of the stats

[blazing fossil]

hey whats best ranged weapon to kill crushers? Cant say bolter or revolver

is the kantrael OK at it?

[dense field]

A shotgun? No.

[oak ermine]

The Kantrael what, exactly?

There’s a couple of things from that forge world

[blazing fossil]

Ill just use a bolter lol

[fading vale]

if you have chastise then anything works

[tall palm]

the agripinaa special shot will put one on its ass which is funny ig

[blazing fossil]

i like chorus, for pubs

[oak ermine]

Good riddance, probably

[dense field]

Best weapon to kill a crusher? A revolver. Best weapon to kill crushers (plural)? Flamer + chastise seem to work well but I'm not sure it's the best option possible.

[fading vale]

flamer kills the largest number of crushers with chastise

[ripe quest]

Anything with Fury. Flamer and Man-Stopper Shotguns will handle groups better, Flamer being the best at it.

[dense field]

Yes but I usually don't need to kill an infinite number of crushers.

It's a dozen at most

[ripe quest]

yee

Flamer

[fading vale]

8 crushers is more than any other weapon can handle

[dense field]

Yes

[fading vale]

kant ain't bad either for softening a large pack and then meleeing

plus you can get a few primary shots off and kill a couple

[lavish flame]

Helbo- oh wait

A surgical bolter is ok vs crushers. Not great though

Agri shotty is also decent

[blazing fossil]

i had two bolters handy, one with PF and calvalcade, I took that one

[lavish flame]

Calvalcade bolters atm are a meme imho

Only good for boss hunting

Otherwise just way way too ammo intensive

[oak ermine]

How about Inspiring Barrage?

[fading vale]

I mean you aren't gonna kill a bunch of crushers with a bolter without chastise regardless

you can kill 2 or 3

[lavish flame]

More if u go surgical

[fading vale]

in a mag

[lavish flame]

Cos i think on zealot u can get it to a 4 shot

Maybe a 3

[fading vale]

yeah and then you have to wait for surgical every shot

[lavish flame]

Mhm

[ripe quest]

Cavalcade is better for clumps of Ogryns as well. Technically Surgical allows higher damage but you need to wait for each shot.

[lavish flame]

Ehhh bolter doesnt pen ogryns

So u only apply full damage to like

One dude

[ripe quest]

You can get like 5 Crushers in a mag with a Caval/SI Boltgun.

[lavish flame]

Thats... not a lot. And thats assuming they are tightly clumped.

[ripe quest]

Surgical doesn't allow you to pen Ogryns, I don't see your point.

[lavish flame]

It reduces ammo usage per ogryn

[ripe quest]

At the cost of higher ttk per Ogryn.

[lavish flame]

Ye

Its a crusher

Ttk is mostly a non issue

Its more ammo cost

Things take forever to lumber into melee anyway

[dense field]

until it is

[fading vale]

usually everyone has stuff to deal with crushers

[ripe quest]

That's certainly a philosophy that exists.

[lavish flame]

If ur in melee ur melee weapon is better at crusher killing anyway

[dense field]

I'd just unload and then finish the survivors with an axe tbh

[copper hawk]

Helbore mk iii my beloved

[lavish flame]

A full bolter magdump barely drops what. 2-3 usually?

[fiery ingot]

using this with new eviscerator, is it worth it to drop 4 points to get the backstab cdr node?

[dense field]

something like that if you're lucky

[lavish flame]

Ye thats... pain

[ripe quest]

Depends if you're getting finesse hits or not.

[dense field]

I'm talking about a bad situation

[fading vale]

yeah especially with the shattering impact nerf

it's not that many

[lavish flame]

Id rather just go for the crit stagger to string them out then just melee them tbh

[dense field]

Yeah that's a good strat

[fading vale]

Hopefully they fix/buff shattering

[lavish flame]

Shattering is working as intended

Its just pointless on bolter

Cos bolter has good ADMs

[fading vale]

I disagree that it's working as intended

I think they unintentionally nerfed it

[lavish flame]

It deals 100% damage vs most armour types and 60% vs cara

[fading vale]

when they made it 2.5% stacking 16 times

now requiring 4 shots to hit max

[lavish flame]

Why use shattering when pinning fire is just better

[dense field]

Why not both?

[lavish flame]

Cos surgical is better than either

Crits get u WAY more damage even if u have to wait a bit

[fading vale]

I kinda hate ADSing bolter on zealot

[ripe quest]

I think it was an intentional nerf. They didn't want to make a new rending debuff so they just cut the stacks per shot in half.

[fading vale]

at least ADSing often

[lavish flame]

This is fair.

Ngl bolter on zealot itself is pain

[dense field]

it is

[ripe quest]

The nerf shifts SI from a general use thing to more focused on Crushers and bosses.

[fading vale]

eh

[lavish flame]

SI is worthless on bosses

For bolter

[fading vale]

10% damage boost max

[lavish flame]

Bolter has 100% ADM vs bosses

[ripe quest]

It's a 10% damage increase.

[lavish flame]

Which is worse than pinning fire

[ripe quest]

It doesn't cap at 100% adm, it caps at 100% rending bonus.

[lavish flame]

If u go over 100% ADM rending loses A LOT of efficiency

[ripe quest]

For bosses I'd rather have SI than PF.

[lavish flame]

???

Pinning fire is strictly superior

20% power vs 10% damage

[ripe quest]

Except BoN ig since it still has stagger weirdness.

[lavish flame]

It... still gets stagger stacks

[fading vale]

regardless bolter just isn't a great option for a lot of things on zealot