zealot-class

[fading vale]

these tattoos are genuinely good though

[strange kestrel]

Yeah

[frank night]

its so weird to me that they did all of these really detailed tattoo designs

[strange kestrel]

I run those same tats

[frank night]

and the only time you will see them is in character creation

[fading vale]

yeah...

[strange kestrel]

True lol

I get to see the arm tattoos because of the chest armor i use

[frank night]

its particularly bad on vet cos all of their 'i actually brought armour to this death squad mission' cover up the entire arm and also hand

[strange kestrel]

Yeah

My veteran wears full penance armor

[strange kestrel]

Looks too good

[left iron]

[frank night]

i use a bit of the pre-order mortis operative armour

[strange kestrel]

I use the mortis chest and penance legs and head

[frank night]

im not a fan of the penance 6 random rounds duct taped to a shoulder pad look

[strange kestrel]

But it depends i have an outfit for each build

[surreal solstice]

I mean
It's not without merit

[strange kestrel]

Krieg guardsman for my helbore is my favorite

[fading vale]

yeah I want skinless outfits

[strange kestrel]

Who doesnt like the kriegers

[fading vale]

"skinless"

[frank night]

im probably not going to put that much scratch into a videogame cosmetic unless they release something like the guard aesthetic from around the old eye of terror campaign for tabletop

PEAK armour

PEAK

[strange kestrel]

Yeah

[surreal solstice]

Steel Legion fans

[strange kestrel]

LOL, true

[frank night]

just put a reflective visor in the eye slit of my penance helmet i beg you fatshark

[strange kestrel]

Im surprised there isnt shirtless armor, especially for zealot considering the class' lore

[frank night]

the blessed day

of the bug

and they TOOK IT

THEYTOOKITFROMUS

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-scream-angry-gif-17471844

[strange kestrel]

I would actually rock shirtless on zealot

[vapid mirage]

There's prolly a mod for it

[strange kestrel]

Yeah but tbh i dont use cosmetic mods that are client-sided

The whole point of being shirtless would be my team seeing a naked man one shotting the monstrosity with a hammer

That sounds hilarious

[surreal solstice]

I want my shirtless ogryn back

[strange kestrel]

I try to make my ogryn look as badass as i can

[surreal solstice]

I love that best stuff the game ever had were bugs

[hushed agate]

I need a cape for my ogryn

[strange kestrel]

Superman ogryn

Supergryn

[strange kestrel]

Yeah, the commodore is bloated with horrible cosmetics and recolors

They should compress all the recolors into a tint option or something

Or do what warframe did and put color palettes for sale

[hushed agate]

But that means less money

And fatshart loves money

[strange kestrel]

I genuinely think reworking the fomo shop would make them more money.. ive seen a lot of people (myself included) wishing they could buy a set that was on rotation a month ago that they wont see again for MONTHS because of how the commodore works

Predatory marketing tactics never go well

[hushed agate]

If it want going well for them it wouldn't be a thing

People hate it but people seldom do anything about stuff they dislike

[strange kestrel]

Yeah i worded that wrong, i meant to say it doesnt make them as much money as a regular user friendly shop would

[wooden river]

if gaming should have taught people anything

[frosty herald]

In mk1 you buy an outfit and get every pallet for it

[wooden river]

its that people will gladly dump entire paychecks into games that they believe in

[strange kestrel]

Look at deep rock galactic's dlcs for example, thats an example of user friendly microtransactions

[wooden river]

monopoly money just induces stress and causes people not to spend money

[strange kestrel]

They even put them on sale

I bought them at full price though

I think the devs deserve that money

[wooden river]

drg's are, granted, a hell of a lot easier to make

[hushed agate]

Drg is what every game should strive to be like

[wooden river]

but yes

[strange kestrel]

Oh thats for sure, im just saying the way they sell microtransactions

[wooden river]

was sad to see people turn on drg the moment they announced the next update being released next summer

but it is a good game

[strange kestrel]

I still play drg a lot

[wooden river]

and people are still overwhelmingly happy for it

[sour stirrup]

People really turned on drg for temporarily shifting focus to releasing a new project?

[hushed agate]

Tbf current season was pretty bad

[wooden river]

Season 4 drew a lot of criticism and people were starting to sour on it

[strange kestrel]

Sometimes i have my drg days, sometimes its darktide days, other days i play something else

[exotic portal]

Cosmetics drop yet?

[strange kestrel]

Ive been enjoying this turnbased extraction roguelike RPG called Quasimorph

[wooden river]

the delayed season 5 announcement added fuel to the fire... but it was mostly a vocal minority that was being stinky anywya

[sour stirrup]

Season 4 wasn’t good at first, pretty good now imo

[frosty herald]

I mean

The quality has been declining from corporate espionage and licrophage being introduced

[strange kestrel]

I didnt mind season 4 too much if at all

That is true

[wooden river]

A lot of players didn't enjoy the Pox events because they took too much time out of the mission to essentially play cleanup crew + stingtails were overtooled

[strange kestrel]

But fatboy is still as fun as ever

And as long as c4 still works on scouts

[hushed agate]

The main issue with stingtails is they can yank you through other bugs

Change that and theyre fine

[frosty herald]

Woe plasma rifle upon ye

[wooden river]

they're pretty alright now

before, though...

short grab cooldown + high armor class + being able to cause fall damage on top of their impale damage

[frosty herald]

Also a bug causing a crash being fixed after christmas

[hushed agate]

Mm i still dont like not being able to shoot one because theyre hiding behind a praetorian and still getting yanked

[wooden river]

and multiples showing up at once in haz 5

they were pretty dumb on release lol

they're still annoying yeah

[hushed agate]

Doesnt help that a majority of the drg community will flay you for criticizing the game

[wooden river]

the core gameplay is still solid, at least. Cave generation gives DRG a lot of longevity

yeah that part is unfortunate

[exotic portal]

out of the zealot sett, i'll get the pants

[proven thicket]

any chorus talent builds i could take for an all arounder?

[strange kestrel]

Chorus momentum i would say

Zarona revolver and melee can be anything

If youre sick of the revolver the kantrael x laspistol is solid as well

Kantrael shotgun goes a long way as well

Very fun to use

[proven thicket]

what's the talent tree look like?

[strange kestrel]

What blitz do you want to use

[proven thicket]

immolation

[strange kestrel]

Mid tree until after getting blitz go down the left tree to get benediction

[proven thicket]

oh right momentum so a speedy boi

[strange kestrel]

Go back to mid tree to get chorus all the way down to momentum

Grab shield of contempt and twbs if you have left over points

[exotic portal]

Like your cut G.

https://tenor.com/view/nf-nfrealmusic-motto-head-rub-bald-gif-27673438

[surreal marlin]

whats best class?

vet

?

[hushed agate]

Best class rn is either zealot or psyker

[proven thicket]

i believe this is the wrong place to ask that

[surreal marlin]

welll

im new to the game

[sour stirrup]

Would also recommend Agri or Columnus brauto 🙂

[surreal marlin]

i have psyker at 30 and zeallot 21

[hushed agate]

Noone actually follows chat rules its fine

[sour stirrup]

Agri better Columnus more fun

[surreal marlin]

but vets are just sttealing all my kills lol

[proven thicket]

ask the zealot fan club if vet is the best class

[hushed agate]

I have all classes thirty

And vet is my most played

Vet is third best

[devout sierra]

It’s a team game. I wouldn’t worry about such things. Focus on making team successful.

[sour stirrup]

What about Pogryn lol

[proven thicket]

should i get either of the side points of chorus or nah?

the best class is whichever one you pop off with the best

[sour stirrup]

Get the toughness dr

Left one

[proven thicket]

k

hm, still got 2 points left over even after shield of contempt and twbs

should i just get blood redemption for the extra toughness regen?

[sour stirrup]

Get uhhh Relentlessness I think it’s called. It’s above momentum on the bottom right side

[proven thicket]

or punishment for more slappage with the crusher?

[sour stirrup]

Or you can get the Infested Unyielding damage

[proven thicket]

that's what i do default while going towards immolation lol

also idk what "relentless" is nor can i find it there

also i realize you're not the same guy i was talking about this build lol

[sour stirrup]

You going Piety?

Keystone

[proven thicket]

momentum

that's what was suggested by mateo

[sour stirrup]

I meant Sustained Assault but you alr have it

[proven thicket]

i'll go with punishment for max cc

[sour stirrup]

I’d do this

But you can also take Punishment

[river condor]

Zealot is best class

Cause we have the strongest faith in the emperor

The emperor protects

[lean lark]

ogryn

easiest to play, easiest to use

[river condor]

You ration stealer

[lean lark]

highest damage without much effort

just a very easy class overall

[proven thicket]

duellsit seems a bit niche, thx for the suggestions tho

[lean lark]

it isnt

Duellist is active nonstop if you're fighting enemies

and know how to dodge

[sour stirrup]

It definitely isn’t niche

[proven thicket]

as in landing the actual weak spot hits and crits

not proc'ing it

[sour stirrup]

No

[lean lark]

how is that niche

[sour stirrup]

It adds 50% of weak spot damage to your hits

[river condor]

Duelist is broken as zealot

[sour stirrup]

Regardless of where your next hit is

[lean lark]

its 50% finesse stat

[river condor]

All perks around dodge is actually broken

[lean lark]

which multiplies your weakspot and CRIT dmg

[proven thicket]

[sour stirrup]

TWBS, Duellist, and Second Wind are my favorite 3 zealot talents

[river condor]

15% toughness regen is hella broken/ 25% toughness def / 50weakspot damage on 3 talents

[lean lark]

no

[proven thicket]

i just instinctively never rely on i-frame dodging in most games i play

so idk

[river condor]

Just to dodge which you do literally 100% of the game

[lean lark]

So* essentially

[proven thicket]

i guess it is

[lean lark]

Duellist is a free dmg mult

it's not iframes

Some attacks are iframes some arent

[sour stirrup]

You don’t even have to iframe. You can just dodge out of range and it will proc

[proven thicket]

wait

so you don't need to dodge an attack?

[river condor]

Sliding fire bullet works as dodge aswell

[lean lark]

yes you do

[sour stirrup]

If an enemy swings at you and they miss, regardless of why they missed, and you will proc SW and Duellist

You can test this too. Stare at your buffs while fighting melee enemies

[proven thicket]

so even if you use the dodge to gain distance while some poxwalker is swinging somewhere way south of you, it STILL procs?

[sour stirrup]

No lol

They have to swing at you

[proven thicket]

i'm confused

[lean lark]

The swing itself

[sour stirrup]

Because you said iframe. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a inframe

[proven thicket]

in the vague direction of you then

[sour stirrup]

You can dodge out of range and it will proc

[proven thicket]

hm

[sour stirrup]

I’d recommend doing a run or two with it. And keeping an eye on how often it procs

[proven thicket]

well okay

[sour stirrup]

Cuz it’s a lot

It incentives you greatly for doing something you already do nonstop anyway

[proven thicket]

but also not sure how much it'll help me when there's two dozen ragers after me

[sour stirrup]

Staying alive by dodging

[river condor]

On auric dodge perks are like non stop active

[sturdy kestrel]

duelist is up the majority of time that enemies are near you unless you're face tanking everything lol

[proven thicket]

since unless i'm insta-nuking em i'd rather have em cc'd, right?

[strange kestrel]

Not enough points

[river condor]

Cc raggers as zealot?

Nades?

[proven thicket]

oh hey

[sour stirrup]

Crusher

[strange kestrel]

I have a meeting in 3 mins cya later

Use this build

[proven thicket]

this bad?

[strange kestrel]

If theres any tweaks you think u should make go ahead

[sour stirrup]

The toughness perk from momentum is borderline useless

And it’s definitely less useful than toughness dr on chorus

[proven thicket]

oh mateo uses the toughness regen part of momentum too

yea dunno how good that is

[sour stirrup]

The only difference between mine and his builds, are toughness regen momentum instead of toughness dr on chorus, and backstab cdr instead of Swift Certainty

It’s bad because you it will activate even when you don’t need it

[calm salmon]

this skin is so dumb. I love it

[proven thicket]

yea the backstab thing is...

[sour stirrup]

Backstab cdr is still good you can totally use it

[proven thicket]

i wouldn't pick it on chorus at least

[sour stirrup]

I just like Swift Certainty more

[river condor]

I was wondering if I should make a knife / ruthless backstab + riposte for heavy dmg

Is it actually good

Or I should stick with lacerate riposte ?

[calm salmon]

Uncanny Strike and Precognition is the best knife

Uncanny+Executor is also acceptable

[sour stirrup]

I’m not a knife expert but I’ve seen lacerate memed pretty hard in this chat lol

[river condor]

Been maximizing the Crit rate to be able to spam ultimate

[sour stirrup]

Maybe 1 day I will make a knife zealot

[proven thicket]

all toughness curios i'm guessing?

[river condor]

Works like wonder

[sour stirrup]

Yea or 2x tough 1x hp

[sturdy kestrel]

3x3 stam curios just like every other class

[sour stirrup]

Up to both you and what Brunt and Hadron decide to give you

[copper hawk]

[sour stirrup]

Lol 3x3 stam

[proven thicket]

rez an entire party in the middle of a horde and only use up 50% of your stamina

[sour stirrup]

It is a choice you can make for sure. Would definitely not bother on zealot with any stamina on curios tho

[calm salmon]

its not good

[sour stirrup]

Yea. Seemed that way

[lean lark]

3tough is better than 2tough1hp because you have 216 tough 231 HP with certain builds

[sour stirrup]

Having over 200 tough is nice fs. I use 3x tough myself but I know some ppl like 1 hp. Same as some ppl like stam

[lean lark]

running Stam doesn't ever change anything because it's useless, hp and tough do something

[sour stirrup]

I agree lol

[lean lark]

hp would only help if you want to run he

hr*

But even then

You get 3-8 extra HP with 2toigh1hp than 3tough setups

[marble estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863525965365249/1189814182745473096/Zealotry_FM.mp4?ex=659f87ce&is=658d12ce&hm=bef665ccf818743dbc8e18fefe56b7371e5b653e75404d4c18c939d6555b57f9&

Shoutouts to the VA for doing this haha

[brazen umbra]

what a strange meme

[fading vale]

I just post it when an opportunity arises cause it makes me laugh every time, I didn't make it myself lol

[strange kestrel]

I dont

I picked up momentum stacks on dodge

[proven thicket]

your screenie

[fading vale]

yeah never use the momentum toughness, it's terrible

[strange kestrel]

Mb then

I fatfingeeee it

[lean lark]

but 40% toughness every 20 momentum stacks spent!!!!

it's so good!!

40% is a big number

[fading vale]

max every 8 seconds woooo

[proven thicket]

and we hav enough points

[lean lark]

40/8 that's 5

[fading vale]

and unpredictable

[lean lark]

5% toughness every second

that's good.

but yeah never ever use momentum toughness

just get ewew at that point

[calm salmon]

I can confidently say knife has made me a better player

holy shit do I hate this weapon though

[calm salmon]

knife for reference

[proven thicket]

this is what i'll try then

[calm salmon]

neat that I can oneshot bruisers

but killing one enemy per swing is sad when I can't stagger shit around it

[proven thicket]

https://youtu.be/KssGlMqsUO0?si=b8CwdMGK4gc99SXy thoughts on this?

[calm salmon]

I guess you're relying on chorus for toughness regeneration?

Brave

[proven thicket]

i have faith in the god emperor to protect me

[olive raven]

And sometimes not even 20 stacks!!!!

[calm salmon]

its a darktide youtube video

but I'm biased.

I refuse to delve into the darktide side of youtube

the noise to signal ratio is basically ∞ to 1

[royal vortex]

chocob is a good player

but

[calm salmon]

I would not

unless you need to earn surgical off of it

[royal vortex]

no this is a gameslantern screenshot

[olive raven]

This is… uniquely weird

[royal vortex]

i am showing why u should take the builds posted with a grain of salt

even if hadron DESTROYED a good base u have 2 changes

[calm salmon]

Yeah. . .

[olive raven]

Crit damage on the claw too

[royal vortex]

something awful was voluntarily put on this weapon

[frank night]

I am a genius

[olive raven]

Choco is

Mechanically good

Has the knowledge to not die

[fading vale]

mostly just abusing crit CDR so whatever

[olive raven]

But his builds are

Fucking horrendous

[lean lark]

of course you are British man

[royal vortex]

i mean the talent selection isn't particularly awful

some choices i wouldnt make

but thats build dependent

[fading vale]

why the fuck

[royal vortex]

every time i look at choco's weapons n stuff its got some landmines

[olive raven]

This

His fucking curios

[calm salmon]

I mean, I ignore TWBS on basically every zealot build

[olive raven]

Are why

[calm salmon]

so like

I can't poke too much fun at weird zealot builds

[olive raven]

3x HP plus thinking tough regen works

Smh my head

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/chipi-chipi-chapa-chapa-cat-rainbow-cat-mizahcimtr1-gif-12949221109051297325

[royal vortex]

3xhp is whatever

[calm salmon]

That said, not using TWBS on a Mk2 Eviscerator or Thunder Hammer build is fucking infuriating.

[royal vortex]

with the talent tree u can get much more toughness than u could before stacking 3 hp curios

[calm salmon]

Constantly getting stunned out of your heavy attacks just feels so fucking bad

[royal vortex]

so its not as dumb

[frosty herald]

I still want to know

[fading vale]

that video is literally just light spamming for crit CDR and spamming F and poorly using a revolver

[frosty herald]

How did fatshark give grenade tinkerer stun immunity

[calm salmon]

who knows

[royal vortex]

who knows

bunch of bugs make it through that are really fkin weird

like surge being given rng gibbing resulting in its damage being nuked for a couple patches

[fading vale]

cause they added a stun immunity line which I assume was intended to be stun immune during throwing but it was just global instead

[calm salmon]

Like, realistically speaking, [Total Talent Overhaul] is how.

[solar gorge]

chocoB is a tide veteran who solo'd cata in vt2 for years

[calm salmon]

There's uh

like 150 talents now

in the game

Give or take.

So I'm not at all surprised the Oct 4 patch was so fucked.

[calm salmon]

Is that supposed to mean anything at all to me.

Vermintide 2 and Darktide are completely different products.

[solar gorge]

that's hes good at the game

[calm salmon]

The skills in each just don't translate at all.

[olive raven]

this is how I’d improve it tbh

[calm salmon]

Other than like

threat assessment

[fading vale]

you can be good and still make shit choices

[solar gorge]

it helps immensely

[olive raven]

Unfortunately good players can make really weird build decisions

[royal vortex]

hour count/skill unfortunately doesn't translate into making great build choices

[solar gorge]

he doesn't need a perfect build

because he can compensate anything with mechanical skill

[olive raven]

I mean his build is just weirdly bad in some areas

No hand cannon on revolver?

[royal vortex]

some guy posted "thoughts on this?" and that dude obviously isn't chocob so i was gonna guess he was talking about the build

[fading vale]

like that revolver is horrible

[royal vortex]

yea u dont need great stuff to win nobody is debating that

[fading vale]

for no reason

[olive raven]

And crit damage on the claw…

[raven swan]

I think I got it

@ember yew

I just one need

[solar gorge]

I'm just saying that the guy in the vid is no random

[raven swan]

more perk

[ember yew]

did you unlock headtaker in the process?

[olive raven]

We all acknowledged he isn’t garbage at the game

[fading vale]

that video just reaffirms needing to delete crit CDR

it's so dumb

[solar gorge]

it was for puri

[olive raven]

You can acknowledge that someone can be good at the game yet also make dumb decisions

[calm salmon]

see: me

[olive raven]

Yes

[fading vale]

the problem with these videos is they misinform people looking for information

[olive raven]

Puri still isn’t wrong that

[fading vale]

and then you end up with pubs running stupid youtube builds

[olive raven]

Darktide Reddit/Youtube is full of misinfo

[solar gorge]

he's not really trying to sell his build imo

[olive raven]

Without the skill to use it

[solar gorge]

it's just gameplay with a weapon

[royal vortex]

All I did was post my fucking build and y’all went for my throat talking down on it like a bunch of toxic trolls you didn’t have to say anything if u don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything but naw y’all wanna be animals like every other troll and thru the safety of the internet you run your mouth and then talk smack about me it’s ridiculous and not fair of anyone to treat some one like that and u have the audacity to say I’m going thru somthing nah you and all the other trolls like you need to get over what your going thru and act right

[olive raven]

This is like 5th grade comprehension of what occurs

If a YouTuber posts a video with a build

[raven swan]

I fucked it all up I have headtaker but on lower level

[olive raven]

people will use it

[fading vale]

people watch, look at the build, and go oh this must be good

[solar gorge]

you act like the thumbnail is : BEST BVUILD FORERALOt reddit

[raven swan]

I put the wrong perk in

[solar gorge]

red arrows everywhere

[raven swan]

And I am outo f Plasteel so farming again

[solar gorge]

you read too deep into shit

[olive raven]

It’s how people think Clayesthestics tier list of weapons is an actual objective tier list even tho it isn’t.

[fading vale]

I mean choco is fine, at least it's not clay which does actually do that

[olive raven]

Choco is chill, just some choices are weird

Clay is

No.

[royal vortex]

clay is the snake in the garden

[olive raven]

And us having solid comprehension of how things work

Isn’t reading too deep into shit

It’s just having critical thinking

[solar gorge]

how much validation do you need

i get it

you know how to build your revo

[ember yew]

replace thunderous on your first pic with Headtaker and that's ok

[calm salmon]

this is why I refuse to delve into that side of youtube

[royal vortex]

these ogryn goggles look p funny

[ember yew]

ski

[royal vortex]

i wish u could headbutt ppl on ogryn

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/skiing-fail-skiing-tripped-slidding-ouch-gif-14192369

replace with ogryn charge

[calm salmon]

I love loading into the first 3 minutes of a match missing 80% of my HP

why the fuck we take over bot HP I'll never understand

what a shit mechanic

[mental coral]

lmao

[ember yew]

probably because they dont have a way to record your HP

otherwise people will just DC and come back i guess

[steel sedge]

load in on 5hp with 3 ammo

[calm salmon]

Yeah

super not fun

the first one should be a free grace

then after that RIP

[olive raven]

Recording that

I don’t think

Fatshark can do

Not cause it isn’t possible

But because they’d fuck the code up

[ember yew]

yeah

[royal vortex]

nothing beats the game i loaded into with 1 wound corrupted and everyone else dead

fkin screaming at masozi to turn the goddamn storm raptor around

[mental coral]

just always use a martyrdom build duh

load in

2 wounds of hp

[royal vortex]

martyrdom patch 10 vet

thank u

i shouldve known better

[surreal marlin]

martyrdom good?

[olive raven]

Yes

[left iron]

Back when cspawn was released, i loaded into one of the desert missions where you start on some pipes, everyone else was dead, and i was at the starting spawn with a cspawn charging at me on the pipes

Excise vault?

[surreal marlin]

can u lnk me a martydom build?

[strange kestrel]

Go on gameslantern and look for one

[fading vale]

and then ask here if it's good or for changes

[strange kestrel]

Yup

[olive raven]

Rule of thumb

1. Decide on a weapon
2. Decide on blitz/ult/keystone
3. Find build with those
4. Double check it here

[strange kestrel]

Rule of thumb

TWBS.

[frosty herald]

Fatshark is very brave advertising the subreddit on the launcher

[ember yew]

[olive raven]

Oh lord

[marble estuary]

Whats up

[olive raven]

Subreddit is notoriously full of misinfo so

Directing players there is

Ehhh

[frosty herald]

they also hate the game

[mental coral]

yeah but so do we

Don't you hate the game?

[ember yew]

how more easy

it can get?

you already can 1 hit the boss with hammer

or just kick him to the death

no hammer needed

sometimes i feel sorry for those two bosses

[native cargo]

Just bring a chaxe to it and rev into the dude

[mental coral]

this is what I ran for a while

[mental coral]

theres the funny martyrdom take prevailing on reddit

[ember yew]

but people want them to be more easy on damnation

the easiest is just to remove the bosses

https://tenor.com/view/genius-think-be-clever-be-smart-gif-10617231

[native cargo]

Dodge slide around the boss in a circular motion

ez

[ember yew]

Maybe I should have titled it "Fastest Way To Kill The Boss"

yes brother, you should rename it

[mental coral]

found it again

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18ryse8/martyrdom_zealots_trick_or_trap/

[south ledge]

I haven't tried martydom as a zealot, but really like zealot in vermintide 2

I guess key difference is no temp health

[calm salmon]

I just use martyrdom as a way to play dumb

sure, I don't wanna be actively taking crusher overheads left and right, but its a nice bonus for hittrading

[frosty herald]

Zealot gets damage resistance per wound missing on martyrdom

Thats how it balances it out

[steep igloo]

Meanwhile I had to burn through like 200 hswords to get a roll like this

[olive raven]

But also like… intentionally pinning yourself to a wall

[olive raven]

You still get +15% toughness from curios perks and plenty of toughness from the tree

You should have roughly 150-200 toughness

[ember yew]

around 155-170

that's enough

im running my farming build with 155

[steep igloo]

Imagine thinking marty zealot is a "catchup" build

People literally building to fail

[south ledge]

ah fair

[steep igloo]

Why not just, idk, get good and not get downed?

[south ledge]

impossible

[frank night]

i dont see any not-crazy zealots playing at like 1 hp anyway

[royal vortex]

what does "not-crazy" mean

[frank night]

wouldnt you like to know

weather boy

[royal vortex]

you're awful

[frozen glen]

i am bulging

[frank night]

goodbye redverse

[sharp zodiac]

The new outfits are alright

Kinda wish the psyker's helm was a giant glass bowl

That just has the voice quieter

[frosty herald]

The psyker looks like an astronaut

Zealot chest goes hard tho

[crude lake]

Haven’t we had this psyker cosmetic before?

[open echo]

mmmmmmmmmm

[eternal crown]

so how is the thunder hammer, and is it better than the eviscerator?

[sharp zodiac]

No

But it's still fun

[eternal crown]

😔

that was my whole reason to start grinding a zealot

[crude lake]

It doesn’t matter if it’s better than the evis

You can clear all content with it

Use what you want

[eternal crown]

👍

[north sedge]

I vastly prefer hammer to evisc

[mental coral]

i just use hsword

[fallow moth]

Hammer is very effective

If you like it, you'll be fine! Just practice some of the finesse with crucis on sniping specials in crowds with the charged attack

[formal umbra]

yeah just because something isnt meta doesnt mean it isnt effective, ive met a buncha hammer zealots who outdamage me on my evis build

[frank night]

the latest patches made almost everything usable in the hardest shit fatshark has put out (YMMV on twins)

[formal umbra]

yeah the game is in a really good spot rn

[lavish flame]

Twins are a weird skew case anyway

[fallow moth]

And theres nothing like the feeling of someone new to hammer zealots seeing bosses disappear and asking what happened

[formal umbra]

honestly I didnt even meta chase when I chose the mark xv evis I just liked its moveset and found out it was "meta" afterwards

[frank night]

Yeah there's weird modifiers and gating and stuff that I'll never really be fully comfy with cos hard mode is something you only really do as many times as you have buddies wanting the insignia

[lavish flame]

So stuff that underperforms on twins worj perfectly fine normally cos not all parts of DT are a bossfight

[crude lake]

Hammer would shine on a boss fight. So probably a perfect place to take it is twins

[frank night]

there's weird modifiers that make chain weapons crazy on twins

[fallow moth]

The void shields make the hammer feel bad there xD

[north sedge]

Hammer is meta

And yea chain weapons shine on void shield

[frank night]

I think we had two chain weapons yesterday

and pistol man's shield was getting instantly popped as soon as he reappeared

the frog did a whole speech

that I dont remember

[formal umbra]

yeah I noticed my revved heavies were melting the twins' shields

[violet hornet]

Hammer works great on most bosses because they are unyielding, which the twins are not

[fallow moth]

Does the hammer still have the possilibty of one shotting the arch-heretic at the end of assassination missions after the void shields down?

[frank night]

I was also using focus target on the pistol man

I think it does yeah

lazorr would know better

[fallow moth]

I just did it before the lowered the stealth builds backstab amp, dunno if it survived that

[frosty herald]

The ranged twin takes more melee damage on voidshield

And ronda with ranged

[strange kestrel]

And viceversa

Yeah

[mental coral]

both take more damage in melee

ronda takes the typical 2x

rodin takes 3x instead of the 2x

[north sedge]

It does a shit ton to captain, with focus fire vet you can one shot

[mental coral]

I thought thammer and eviscerator become meta once you hit maelstrom and the game goes "heres a miniboss every minute"

[frank night]

there's so many ways of ragdolling bosses rn

[ember yew]

did they fixed door abuse?

[mental coral]

if you look at how randos perform against bosses you wouldn't think it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallow moth]

Yeah, I feel like I always need to bring a way to manage bosses or suffer. Even if its just krak nades and plasma gun

[mental coral]

its honestly the main reason I'm considering swapping off hsword for eviscerator

[royal vortex]

all that matters is we got the W

well that and the ciag brunt/hadron rewarded me with

[mental coral]

how are randos in damnation twins rn

haven't done em in half a week

[fallow moth]

Hit and miss

They usually don't hit the one thats on the ground recharging

[frank night]

im not allowed to post my plasma build or i will be silenced by the authorities

[royal vortex]

post it

go on

[frank night]

i will not be lured into a trap

[royal vortex]

what plasma build are we talking about

u had one last night that was not the one u were attempting to assault me with this morning

[frank night]

the one yesterday was stolen from dough

the one today has weapon specialist exe stance

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tokusatsu-hell-gif-19199096

[royal vortex]

what a cool gun

[frank night]

by contrast hadron gave me 5 brick shaped powerswords

[royal vortex]

i didn't even use all my rolls

i had it set to like 50

and it stopped around 22

[frank night]

i have had ENOUGH of my sword with weak spot damage

[royal vortex]

have u gotten anything to replace it

[frank night]

as i said

5 bricks

and I dont want to go back to the combat axe

like a worm

crawling back

[royal vortex]

have u tried simply having better rng

[frank night]

i have not sacrified 4 figure hours to darktide

the shark refuses to give me good rng

[royal vortex]

i told u

my last 2 weapons i attempted to roll

i got a 380

and hadron was nice to me

[frank night]

the milkman is mocking me

[royal vortex]

buy it

[frank night]

time for brauto marksman focus

[royal vortex]

what the fuck man

[frank night]

i am a genius

[royal vortex]

no,

die

[frank night]

,

[royal vortex]

,

[frozen glen]

its for brauto horde clear to reach infested breakpoint

[frank night]

god u dont play vet brautos keystoneless do u

[royal vortex]

the only time ive played brauto vet intentionally was keystoneless

[frank night]

english has failed him he has resorted to pictograms

[royal vortex]

before they released vet keystones

i ran the suppression nodes

because it was funny

[frank night]

what if I was not intentionally trolling

what then

[royal vortex]

i wasnt either

it was 2 fkin points

jackass

[frank night]

u r not trustworthy

smoke grenade sean

[royal vortex]

i used them

once

[fiery ingot]

woah

i just came here to ask questions and i found out a criminal who actually uses smoke nades

[royal vortex]

he is lying

i tried them once as a joke

[frozen glen]

he is lying

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-smoke-bomb-fail-gif-7625864

[frozen glen]

proceeds to prove he wasnt lying

[royal vortex]

he is dishonest by nature

everything he says is untrue

[frank night]

i witnessed this man throw smoke grenades at a clump of gunners

and then walk away

as if he had killed them

[royal vortex]

did i

i dont recall any part of using the smoke grenades

[frozen glen]

he was just passing around the zaza bro

[frank night]

and it took him ten whole ass seconds to realise

[north sedge]

It's all a smokey haze to him

[royal vortex]

who were we playing with

[drowsy jackal]

imperial dream blunt rotation

[frank night]

this was when you were taking a level 3 to hi shock

because your balls were not compressed enough that day

[royal vortex]

when was this

[fiery ingot]

lmao

[royal vortex]

i am somewhat lost i dont recall this happening

[frank night]

the year is 2023 grandad

the war ended 80 years ago

[royal vortex]

do u mean taking a level 3 as in leveling someone else

[frank night]

yeah

it was a premade

it was when carnival 2 had come out

[frozen glen]

think back

[royal vortex]

o

was the level 3 an ogryn

[frank night]

dont think so

stan was there

frequently being turned into a spectator

[royal vortex]

i think u may have mistaken me for someone else ngl

[frank night]

i dont backseat other peoples' streams

[royal vortex]

oh yeah

now i remember

[frank night]

does brauto want exe stance or shout hmmmmm

[royal vortex]

stealth

of course

[north sedge]

Stan likes to watch

[frank night]

i dislike this stealth thing

[royal vortex]

i quite enjoy vet stealth

[fiery ingot]

raking fire

[royal vortex]

back when it first came out i confused someone by popping stealth because they thought i was going to use it to deal with a poxburster before it got to the team..?

when in reality i popped it so that the poxburster would not impede my goals

and would pick on someone less fortunate

[frank night]

supervillain moment

[fiery ingot]

this is how you create villains

[royal vortex]

this was far too petty a crime for a supervillain

[misty raven]

When the rager squad rolls up and the stealth vet peaces out

[fiery ingot]

start by traumatizing your victims

[royal vortex]

i merely have to add spice to my game by playing like an idiot

[frank night]

this build is a fkn horror show

[royal vortex]

show

[mental coral]

what build

I need to know

totally not so I can run it on heresy

[frank night]

it is too stupid to be put in public in case someone uses it to have me sectioned

[fiery ingot]

dont worry

i wont judge

cant say for the others

but i promise not to say a thing

[misty raven]

Nah we need know of this heresy to know how to avoid it...research purposes if you will

[frank night]

this is some demon core tier shit

at least I have 4 shredders ( :

[mental coral]

https://tenor.com/view/バルファルク-モンスターハンター-襲撃-爆発-valstrax-gif-24334715

🤔

[frosty herald]

BATTLE SISTER FRIEREN!!!!!!

[steel temple]

Inquisitor Frieren wishes to fight Abaddon "I would win, easily," she claims

She's wearing the Inquisition rosettes as earrings hihi

[mental coral]

just had some random classmate interupt lecture to inform everyone that her power was going on for 5 minutes like bruh

welp time to go back to sleep this shit is so boring

[mental coral]

I'm ngl I thought it was a lalafel for a second

https://tenor.com/view/lalafire2-lalafell-ffxiv-ff14-gif-25821801

[fading vale]

Frieren best anime of the season

[fiery ingot]

i like crusher but for some reason the damage feels so low

should i run it in a martyrdom build

maybe im too used to rashad

[misty raven]

It is kinda a different weapon. Rashad lops heads. Crusher kinda just knocks everyone on their ass

I do love bullying ragers with the crusher though

[fiery ingot]

yeah same

[north sedge]

You just light spamming?

[fiery ingot]

h2 l1 i think

for hordes

and for elites i do h1 bonk

[north sedge]

You should be using push attack

[fiery ingot]

but i also hate how it yeets lesser enemies behind me

[north sedge]

It's a combo weapon that wants headshots

And the push attack has big finesse dmg

[misty raven]

Push attack too complicated for my mush brain. Martyrdom XV Evis light spam

[north sedge]

So stuff like ogryn should be push attack light heavy

It is not a low dmg weapon at all

[mental coral]

martyrdom attack speed feels rly comfy

makes shit like the eviscerator bearable

and actually fun

as opposed to one light swing and then wait like 2 damn seconds to swing again

[fiery ingot]

yeah i was testing it in true solo for a few runs. during hordes the push attack is a must to keep a constant defence without taking melee damage since the dodge distance is pretty lame

[north sedge]

🤔

[fiery ingot]

idk my feeling is like it 1 to 2 shots hordes at max and the cleave feels very weak. it feels like the cleave is motly a stagger than actual cleave damage. maybe its a playstyle that its still unknown to me

i tested it on normal t5 tho

cant make it past a first horde on auric true solo

not that good yet

[north sedge]

The push attack is for killing big things

[fiery ingot]

hmm i didnt test its damage, i saw it more as a quick stagger to start the l1 h2 combo again

[north sedge]

Basic light heavy rotation will kill and knock shit around in a horde

[fiery ingot]

do you have any recordings that you could share of your performance with it? i usually learn better by watching stuff

[north sedge]

I do not

Josho might have crusher clips

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-bop-hard-music-gif-22131387

[dusty hull]

This a decent knife? (random drop)

[fleet zealot]

yes

[fleet zealot]

smackdown is a bad blessing but it has near perfect stats and maniac is a good perk

so yes, very good

worth upgrading to gold imo

[dusty hull]

Would Ruthless Backstab be better?

[smoky valley]

Rip mobility

[smoky valley]

What’re you using it on

[dusty hull]

The knife

[smoky valley]

No like

What char

Class

[dusty hull]

What should I replace Smackdown

[dusty hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941998424608350258/992044173253414992/ApolloWhat.gif

[smoky valley]

Depends on build, are u 1 shotting or wha

[dusty hull]

Zealot

[smoky valley]

Use mk3

Mk4 heavy is ass

[dusty hull]

You know, the Zealot-class chat with all the Zealots

[smoky valley]

My ass is blind

[steel agate]

People ask about diff operators in diff chats all the time tho

Is common mistake

[dusty hull]

Can't they read?

[smoky valley]

I cant

[mental coral]

This is psyker chat 2

not zealot chat

smh

Anyways I'm here again to tell you all that surge staff sucks

[smoky valley]

Actually its ogryn chat 4

[smoky valley]

[dusty hull]

But yeah what's a good replacement for Smackdown

[fleet zealot]

you want uncanny strike+ precognition, executor also being good

[hidden verge]

is chainaxe worth using?

[fleet zealot]

but uncanny strike is the best

[fleet zealot]

yes

[dusty hull]

This is for my Assassin build for Zealot

[smoky valley]

Mercy kill, lacerate, uncanny strike

[mental coral]

Uncanny strike is the must have for all knives

[fleet zealot]

no to the first 2

[mental coral]

tho I guess ruthless backstab can replace it

[fleet zealot]

precog is just a better mercy killer by 60%

[mental coral]

if you are making a niche build

[smoky valley]

Idk what build hes running

[mental coral]

precog on knife

thats

[fleet zealot]

and flesh tearer is just a better lacerate

[mental coral]

interesting

[hidden verge]

thx, mk4 or 12?

[smoky valley]

What combo do you prefer

[fleet zealot]

mk12 is easier and more fun imo, but mk4 is probably stronger

[smoky valley]

[dusty hull]

Mostly right

[fleet zealot]

uncanny+precog

it's the best combo hands down

[smoky valley]

Invis unga bunga

[fleet zealot]

60% finesse and 100% rending

[smoky valley]

Uncanny for sure

[dusty hull]

Hence Assassin

Shame I only have the T1 version of that

[fleet zealot]

mercy is only 60% weakspot

which means it doesn't get the 60% crit damage precog also gets

but for chain axe, mk12 does overhead heavies and horizontal lights, and is pretty straightforward

mk4 does horizontal heavies, which are gonna be your main horde clear

but your main single target dps is gonna be unrev'd light spam

[mental coral]

Can't say much for zealot but on psyker atleast precog is considered a pretty bad blessing

i doubt zealot would be much different

[delicate shadow]

why?

[north sedge]

Whaaaaat

[fleet zealot]

whayt

are you thinking of the other one?

the one that gives crit chance?

[hidden verge]

is this looking gud?

[royal vortex]

because psyker is notorious for not dodging

[fleet zealot]

@mental coral are you thinking of riposte?

[north sedge]

Derpy taking too many hits off that surge staff

[fleet zealot]

which is 20% crit chance

and not precog

that is fucking 60% finesse damage

[ember yew]

[fleet zealot]

also if you mean duelling swords, duelling swords don't go precog cause they can run rampage now

[mental coral]

nope according to the psyker guide riposte is c rank, precog is d

I haven't tested it myself to be honest but I also don't use knives that much

[north sedge]

Psyker guide is dumb as shit

[mental coral]

/shjrug

[light holly]

Mom, vet took the ogryn shovel again

[mental coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it also advocates for toughness regen as a curio perk which is

[fleet zealot]

and 36% damage boost>60% finesse cause mk4 doesn't really need more weakspot damage when it has huge heavy pokes already

[mental coral]

uh

eh

[fleet zealot]

the psyker guide sounds fucking REDACTED

[mossy tulip]

Wait

What are the actual best blessings on dueling sword then

[strange kestrel]

Done with work

Hi zealot chat

[mossy tulip]

I also got baited by psyker guide

[mental coral]

Anything works as long as you have uncanny

ngl

[royal vortex]

u take uncanny + whatever really

[mental coral]

XD

[strange kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[fleet zealot]

uncanny+ rampage, precog, or shred

[light holly]

I mean there's one guide on steam that still puts toughness regen high up there

[royal vortex]

i dont hit hordes with ds for anything other than safety so i go between precog and riposte

[mental coral]

yes

thats the psyker guide

its the best guide psyker has and its a good starting point

[fleet zealot]

riposte is just worse shred imo

[light holly]

Uhhh, I swear it's another guide maybe it's made by the same person

[mental coral]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

is it this one?

if its not then idk

[royal vortex]

absolutely the other way around considering it's 6s, the full crit chance the moment it procs, and doesn't drop on miss

[light holly]

No, it's another guide

[royal vortex]

i would never take shred on ds

[mental coral]

His play style is also alot less aggressive compared to how some people here play do keep in mind

[fleet zealot]

i wouldn't take shred or riposte

i just go precog

[royal vortex]

i dont really run riposte either yea

[light holly]

Even then after what I learned about toughness regen I wouldn't take it anymore

[mental coral]

like he has this "don't take gunner resist, you aren't supposed to be in extended period with a gunner shooting you" which is

[fleet zealot]

but then i dont go precog

[mental coral]

false

[river condor]

Oh blessed omnisaaah. Favour this tool of war

[fleet zealot]

cause i got rampage uncanny

[light holly]

I mean i gues psyker can make space themselves

[mental coral]

idr if rampage is still that good since damage bug got fixed

[fleet zealot]

psykers are fukcing stupid witches

[royal vortex]

rampage is ok

[fleet zealot]

just don't be a heretical witch wiht a tainted soul

[mental coral]

and don't ds need to push attack to even proc rampage

I think i'd rather just go shred

[royal vortex]

the boosting power part is nice because it makes the cleave more consistent

[fleet zealot]

it's great now cause they buffed mk4 cleave to 3 so it always procs on lights

[fleet zealot]

no

they buffed it

[mental coral]

oh did they?

guess i never noticed

[fleet zealot]

well they buffed the cleave on the swords

[royal vortex]

well i think u need it vs bruisers

[light holly]

Rampage is stiiill good

[fleet zealot]

36% damage is yuge for picking out elites in the middle of the horde

[royal vortex]

but i couldnt care i see bruisers and i swap to assail because theyre almost always my fkin dd marks

[fleet zealot]

cause you do one light then you can poke thier eyes out

[royal vortex]

i mean u kill them with ds either way

the 2nd blessing is very much just w/e u get stuck with

[fleet zealot]

obviously we are being pressured ot infight

by the witches

[royal vortex]

ofc

[fleet zealot]

I say we burn them all

they made derpy think precog is bad

[mental coral]

I mean I just didn't rly care tbh

I got my uncanny ds

i think its got riposte or wte the fuck on it

I can't be assed to roll I got better things to roll for anyways

[royal vortex]

that guide rates mercy killer higher than precog

which is some shit

[mental coral]

like I still need fucking surgical on my revolver

[fleet zealot]

60% finesse on knife is on top of a 2.56 ratio

[fleet zealot]

bad touch

is that why I see people going mercy killer so hard?

[mental coral]

I just realized Ferretpiling was eli

[fleet zealot]

even tho it's just, 60% weakspot damage

[fleet zealot]

yea cause I dogpiled that one youtuber

[royal vortex]

[fleet zealot]

also it's Ell not Eli

[mental coral]

eh

Ell got it

[royal vortex]

i feel like ppl really misevaluate on-dodge procs

[mental coral]

nah im psure zealot knife people also went mercy killer

[royal vortex]

like if there's 1 shooter fighting you in any given situation

its super easy to keep up

ranged enemies make on-dodge procs basically constantly

[fleet zealot]

whbich is sitll wrong

precog is literally 2x as good as mercy killer

[mental coral]

I've seen mercy killer thrown around a few times in zealot chat atleast

[royal vortex]

and with knife/ds with low cleave

you can't really stagger hordes outta swinging at you

[fleet zealot]

CAUSE i'm not here to correc them

[raven swan]

@ember yew 498 on Transcendant bad?

[mental coral]

@fleet zealot can you give me feedback on my knife tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1189878040889667604/image.png?ex=659fc347&is=658d4e47&hm=f418233e8cae68b3031d4f0a7b08719e088d068fc6e22eefbf802281190eb12c&

[frosty herald]

Hmmm

[ember yew]

dont look at item level, look at perks and stats themselves

[delicate shadow]

you don't need double randing blessings

[mental coral]

yes

I realized

[steep flame]

We need more ferretposts

[mental coral]

but I also have zero blessings on my knives

[frozen glen]

i ove randing

[royal vortex]

but what about double ronding

[frozen glen]

randing karnak

[frosty herald]

Idealy i would swap out sprint and backstab

Rondang

[royal vortex]

he can't swap both

how do ppl always look at weapon screenshots and correctly summarize what the text says but ignore the thing that shows what perks/blessings you already swapped on

[royal vortex]

pog

[frosty herald]

Nice

[raven swan]

@ember yew The best I got so far

1st Perk Random drop

[raven swan]

Which was good cause I could addd the others

[misty raven]

That lvl 1 blessing hurts to see.

[mental coral]

look at these weebs heretics

[raven swan]

mm ?

[ember yew]

just use it for time being until you get a better one

[raven swan]

Aye

[ember yew]

or get a different wep entirely if you want to, later

You can also try one of the chainaxes

[fading vale]

swap uncanny to lacerate

shame you can't get flesh tearer too

then reroll the perk to crit damage

[mental coral]

Thanks man will do

Next time we queue I’ll show off my amazing knife skills on my stealth recon vet

[fading vale]

god I'm way too entertained by this

[mental coral]

Were they joking or unironic

[fading vale]

uh, both I think

[mental coral]

🤔

[sharp zodiac]

Risk of rain is fun

Feel like I've been in this run for 2 hours

I have been

[fleet zealot]

i got risk of rain returns

for christmas gift

i should play

[shy river]

I'm on that like a dragon gaiden grind rn, I do like that series

[fleet zealot]

emphasis on should

rn i'm playing wow

like the born addict I am

[blissful sinew]

i got two bis items from icc last night

[fleet zealot]

im like

2 items away from BiS on my rogue

in sod

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/stunned-wow-omg-lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-gif-7647770

[blissful sinew]

hell yeah gz