zealot-class

[fiery ingot]

yeah im not a fan of martyr

[faint marsh]

what blessings should i look for on bolt gun?

[sharp zodiac]

I like to run shattering impact and pinning fire

[lean lark]

if you plan on using the bolter as a sort of pull out magdump then pinning fire shattering impact, if not surgical pinning fire

[faint marsh]

thank you!

[fading vale]

shattering is pretty low impact now

basically only does anything at all on crushers

but the issue is it takes 4 shots to max stack

instead of 2

after what I think was an unintended nerf

[fleet zealot]

Perfect post bolter nerf

[fiery ingot]

ok that heavy sword is big poggers

unfortunately there werent that many ragers or ragers pack at all. there were plenty of gunners tho

maybe im just not used to it yet, but i still prefer rashad

[fading vale]

well, Rashad is just brain off spam m1

and mostly spamming lights

[fiery ingot]

yeah thats probably why

[whole vapor]

Any veterans in here know what the best perks/blessings for plasma gun are?

[sand lance]

Well shit, Brunt and Hadron actually came through for me

[sharp zodiac]

Wrong chat but I'll still answer your question, gets hot and blaze away

[sand lance]

Gets Hot is the one you really want for Blessings, then your call of Blaze Away or maybe Gloryhunter if you like extra Toughness on Elite Kill

Perks, Unarmored surprisingly so you can apparently hit 1-shot Breakpoints on Dreg Gunners with a headshot(?) and Maniac.

[whole vapor]

Ty!

[copper hawk]

Volatile/Blaze Away

[quaint verge]

but crusis Thammer, tho

[royal vortex]

unarmored for plasma is build dependent iirc

like if you have 30% weakspot and 15% elites from left side you don't need it afaik

[copper hawk]

Neeeerx

Nerd

[royal vortex]

suffer

[frank night]

thrive

[pseudo valve]

stagnate

[royal vortex]

contradict me again and i put infested on the brauto

[pseudo valve]

what a weak threat

put stamina on it coward

[royal vortex]

he was appalled when i suggested it

[pseudo valve]

kek

[royal vortex]

he said he would kill me actually

[frank night]

i will

that does not need to be the specific reason tho

[royal vortex]

unfortunately it is too late to tell the police you had a different motive

[wraith helm]

Thats plenty good. Could use maniac instead of flak though

[fiery ingot]

ist that dump stat a little too dumped tho

[shy river]

If you don't love me at my 10% damage (Groaners, Poxwalkers) then you don't deserve me at my 25% damage (Maniacs)

[wraith helm]

No. Its more of a meme that its that low

[fiery ingot]

oh

[wraith helm]

It outperforms my 540 version cause it doesnt have DB4

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/bna-brand-new-animal-michiru-kagemori-scared-surrender-gif-17683205

[ember yew]

watch out for barrels

[hushed knoll]

Do you like my breakfast idea

[fading vale]

[sharp zodiac]

Needs more mayo

[frank night]

what is that thing

[royal vortex]

im very glad that stan posted this in multiple different chats with no context or explanation

[steel sedge]

food

[royal vortex]

in either of them

[frank night]

stan's cooking has something weirdly in common with sci fi horror films

they both get military aged men saying 'what the hell is that thing'

[royal vortex]

i like calling it an idea. like he made this but he hasn't decided if he wants to eat it yet

he may just leave it out as a decoration

keep it as a pet, even

[steel sedge]

right? isn't it already someones breakfast

[sharp zodiac]

All I had for breakfast was a cocktail and a muffin

[royal vortex]

the second sentence is where you add something horrific

if you want to imitate stan

[frank night]

it's christmas new year your cripping alcoholism is acceptable until January 3rd

enjoy it

[sharp zodiac]

It is not crippling

It is stable

[frank night]

sure it is

[royal vortex]

it is not not an alcohol problem it is a solution that involves alcohol

[frank night]

dear passengers, we are descending rapidly toward the ground at a stable speed

[royal vortex]

i hope they never let you onto a plane

[frank night]

they have repeatedly

[royal vortex]

very unfortunate

[frank night]

i like to chug my lunchbox drink in front of the security guard

[sharp zodiac]

Slurp

[royal vortex]

stan has trained me to anticipate horrific twists to relatively mundane jokes

[frank night]

i have even been to america

[royal vortex]

im moving to brazil

[sharp zodiac]

I've only been to Florida and NJ

[royal vortex]

i'll be opposite day ren

[frank night]

we went to Manhattan

[royal vortex]

my condolences

florida is awful

new jersey not much better

[frank night]

the organisers of the trip begged us to not be sarcastic when the border guy directly asked us if we were terrorists

[sharp zodiac]

In one place I nearly got attacked by numerous wild men and in the other nearly get ran over by bad drivers

[royal vortex]

first one is florida second is new jersey

[frank night]

central park was nice

[royal vortex]

i lived in florida for i think half a year

never again

[sharp zodiac]

The only thing I enjoyed were the Everglades

The animals are a lot oeacer

Peaceful

[royal vortex]

it is impossible to make a spelling mistake without correcting yourself with the wrong word at least twice

try again

[frank night]

the new york ppl were very nice

[sharp zodiac]

Peacer

[frank night]

altho they were also perpetually trying to sell me something

[hushed knoll]

It’s a quiche cup with ketchup

Be jealous

[royal vortex]

i am quite jealous of the people who don't have to deal with this shit, stan

[frank night]

why are you having a quiche cup for breakfast

actually no I take that back

[royal vortex]

important context

it is reheated

[frank night]

This is infinitely superior to fading into conciousness not knowing what year it is

[royal vortex]

i'll take anything over listening to stan fucking demolish his feedbag mid-mission

[sharp zodiac]

I say, in an adequate geothermal heating explanation that Stan's head is so full of gas he could destroy the ozone layer if he were to create the idea of thought process just once

[royal vortex]

dude gets IN THERE

[blazing fossil]

lol

[royal vortex]

trying to listen to special audio cues while he opens 3 bags of chips and rolls his face on them next to the mic

[blazing fossil]

Isn’t there a UI mod that reads those?

[north sedge]

What the chips? That would be weirdly specific

[royal vortex]

i dont want to have to turn on a mod every time stan feels mildly hungry

[hushed knoll]

😏

[frank night]

there is no mod that can give you back your situational awareness when the fkn woodchipper gets rolling

[blazing fossil]

If they are Grippo chips it’s ok

[frank night]

it is a physical experience

[royal vortex]

im glad you can embrace your horse ways

[hushed knoll]

Mittins you should eat my quiche cups

[sharp zodiac]

Neigh he says

[royal vortex]

the one time someone didn't supply him with a feed bag he ate his food over a fucking sink

i am not kidding

[hushed knoll]

They’re kinda wet but it’s ok

Nothing ketchup can’t fix

[royal vortex]

ketchup does the opposite of removing moisture

what the hell

[sharp zodiac]

Just put an airblower on it

Suck the moisture in

[royal vortex]

u set urself up for this one

[sharp zodiac]

Damn

[royal vortex]

it seems stan has disappeared as quickly as he arrived

unfortunate

[sand lance]

Should I keep or break it down for RA IV?

[royal vortex]

keep it

[coarse birch]

Its fine

[sand lance]

I'll probably have to swap +Zombies with Maniac and RA with some other Blessing

[coarse birch]

Second blessing on laspistol is really w/e

Id just swap the perks tbh

Dum dum is bis

And RA is like fine

[sharp zodiac]

that toughness on critical hit will be equivalent to your old creepy uncle but comes with the best gifts

[spark ember]

Idk why everyone like slow lp so much... It feels just bad...

[north sedge]

Hits harder and it doesn't murder your finger?

[copper hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1169799440731738213.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[quaint verge]

[sharp zodiac]

You're forgetting the tickle time

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/4kr2kz

i love knives

[sharp zodiac]

The voidstriker was so close to taking That

[frank night]

i can tell without checking the teammates that it wasnt theil

because there would have been at least one 'fuck you mankar'

[sharp zodiac]

Should've played with me, I'd no clip 360 french'd the sniper

[frank night]

i dont see how deeply kissing the sniper is helpful even if u do a 360 before it

how do i make my youtube stop recommending slow + reverb music

i only listened to like 4 trakcs

tracks

in a moment of madness

[sharp zodiac]

We go one a long date, the sniper becomes pregnant we have a kid and he joins the Imperium of man

[frank night]

im not sitting in a mission for 9 months

[frozen glen]

so thats how the french procreate

fascinating creatures

[frank night]

my day be so fine

then redverse

.

[frozen glen]

counterpoint

u have colonizer ancestors

[frank night]

that's josho's thing you can't use it

get your own

[frozen glen]

i have more of a reason to use it than he does

[hushed knoll]

Eating food over a sink is perfectly natural

[hushed knoll]

What

[frank night]

if you have LITERALLY no furniture maybe

[dense salmon]

What ever happened to the scripture backpack? The backpack that legit looked like a giant book full of prayers and scripture about the emperor

[hushed knoll]

A sink isn’t furniture

[fading vale]

and spiders don't have toes

[frosty herald]

Presumably a penance cosmetic

[north sedge]

Has not shown up

[hushed knoll]

THEY DO

[ornate bone]

Healfy brekfist

[hexed field]

nice breakfast...for a heretic

[crude lake]

Those don’t look like rations

[cold kestrel]

Fruit? In a hive city?

[hushed knoll]

@ornate bone do you like my breakfast

We should all eat quiche cups

[fading vale]

I'll cup ur quiche

[north sedge]

no don't he's into that, sexually

[fading vale]

I'd only do it as a friend don't worry

it's platonic

[north sedge]

platonic moan

like his roommate

[fading vale]

in my wookie outfit

[north sedge]

lol

[vivid hawk]

are chaxes still bad? just got this on my zealot

[north sedge]

chaxe is good now

[fading vale]

chaxes are good now

trip 80s in damage

[vivid hawk]

those the right perks/blessings?

[fading vale]

yeah that's one of the recommended setups, though I think chaxe can get away with elites or carapace too

[north sedge]

yea just depends on what you're aiming for

that's good for general mulching

thrust and carapace if you wanna one shot crushers

but either way works

[vivid hawk]

so if I wanted to, I could swap out slaughterer for thrust and flak for cara?

[fading vale]

I think so

[keen lintel]

hi guys

how do we feel about this

perk and blessings

[north sedge]

if you so prefer, yea

but again, either way works

[vivid hawk]

so what changed with chaxes that makes them good now?

[north sedge]

is a brick

[keen lintel]

by what means

i have

[fading vale]

bad perks bad blessings

[keen lintel]

hammerblow 4

on another

what do i aim for

[north sedge]

changed some swing behavior on the IV, can cancel out of revs, better dmg

[keen lintel]

unyielding + elites for perks?

[fading vale]

rampage/shred/savage and flak maniac

or flak elites works too I suppose

[vivid hawk]

any recommended combos for the mk4?

[fading vale]

@hushed knoll did you see this

[north sedge]

not really a combo weapon, just heavies for horde clear and lights for mulching elites outside of crushers

[keen lintel]

ill run

[north sedge]

push attack good for making space

[keen lintel]

maniac and flak

[vivid hawk]

keep blessings as they are?

[fading vale]

yep that's perfect

[north sedge]

oh and the chaxe lights will stun enemies, including ragers

and does alot of dmg because of the sawing

[fading vale]

they made chaxe lights have 0 cleave right, so power won't break them

[keen lintel]

appreciate the assistance

o7

[north sedge]

yea

and they're more vertical so your camera doesn't fly around so much

[vivid hawk]

what's a good ranged to pair with chaxe?

[north sedge]

anything

[vivid hawk]

shotguns any good now?

been playing ogryn since talent trees came out

[hexed field]

ive seen them used to decent effect

i used to run slug shotgun, but its outclassed by the revolver

[unborn depot]

Two of three shotguns are pretty good. Lawbringer could use some love.

[fading vale]

shotguns are good, kant and lawbringer are nice

[hushed knoll]

Laz are you ok

[fading vale]

agri is like you said just a bad revolver more or less

[hushed knoll]

Hi do you want a reheated Canada cup

Quiche

[fading vale]

kant is the best one

[vivid hawk]

both revos or just the new one?

[hexed field]

zarona. big iron

[fading vale]

old revolver is the good one

[unborn depot]

The only Canada cup I care about is the Stanley cup

[hushed knoll]

Who's your fave team

[unborn depot]

Canadiens

[hexed field]

i like the revolver on my zealot but I kinda hate how good it is

[hushed knoll]

Also I play MTG too we're like twins

[hushed knoll]

[north sedge]

🤔

[fading vale]

same

[hushed knoll]

Hi dough ily

[unborn depot]

I play mono white and esper, I don’t think you want to be friends with me

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/eggplant-gif-4718129

[hushed knoll]

I love esper

[peak pasture]

Or change fire frenzy to hit and run and play dance with death talent giga Chad

[vivid hawk]

un-brickable?

[hushed knoll]

Dimir is usually my fave tho

[fading vale]

stan you didn't respond to the Steve meme

[lean lark]

yes

[hushed knoll]

WHERE

[lusty turtle]

stan HATES steve

thats fucked up

[fading vale]

I mentioned you above

[hushed knoll]

SHUT UP NO I DON'T

[hushed knoll]

LOL

How did I not see thag

That

[north sedge]

if it happened more than 4 minutes ago, it didn't happen for stan

[vivid hawk]

SF to Surgical and Reload to Maniac?

[fading vale]

yup

[hushed knoll]

Hi I'm making spicy Toronto soup t99nj8ht if you want some

Spicy tortellini

Tonight

[fading vale]

Spicy Toronto soup

[hushed knoll]

I've been cooking a lot for my flavor

[north sedge]

that's a spicey a poutine

[hushed knoll]

Family

[lusty turtle]

what does toronto taste like

[acoustic dune]

hey ehy gamers

[hushed knoll]

Why don't you go there and find out

[lusty turtle]

no

[unborn depot]

Dirt and snow

[signal prism]

Last time I was in Toronto it smelled of cigarettes so probably that

[acoustic dune]

my ass want to beat the crox shit out of the twin

[hushed knoll]

Are you from French Canadia

[acoustic dune]

wat do

[unborn depot]

West coast

[hushed knoll]

OMG hi Cera you're like a rare pokemon

[hushed knoll]

Why the Canadiens then

[signal prism]

Yo

[unborn depot]

Because the Canucks blow enormous dong

[hushed knoll]

Ok that may be true

But the Habs

Ugh

[fading vale]

who's that Pokémon!

[unborn depot]

They’re plucky. And occasionally play good hockey

[hushed knoll]

IT'S MR. MIME

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/kittycatman-michael-cera-creepy-gif-5480820

[hushed knoll]

Key word occasionally

[vivid hawk]

no t4 surgical on revos yet, but this should work in the meantime

[hushed knoll]

Tbh Mr. Mime is secretly a DILF

[unborn depot]

That’s better than “literally never”

[north sedge]

the fuck

[signal prism]

Uhh...

[lusty turtle]

[hushed knoll]

Cmon have you seen his toes

[keen lintel]

ops

[royal vortex]

STAN

[lusty turtle]

i don't know whether to pin this message or ban him

[royal vortex]

fucking CAGE this man

lock him away

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-well-hi-mrmime-gif-20282274

[hushed knoll]

SILK NO

SKEL

[lusty turtle]

ofc stans a foot fetishist

[hushed knoll]

Definition of toe curling

NO I'M NOT

[fading vale]

yes you are

trust me I know

[north sedge]

tbf it's not the form or shape of the foot, it's the smell

[hushed knoll]

[north sedge]

he's into smells

[hushed knoll]

No wtf

[fading vale]

and the way they wiggle around

[hushed knoll]

I did fam Christmas today and I got so many things to make my house comfywomfy

[north sedge]

you talk about how your roommate smells all the time

[hushed knoll]

He smells really good

[fading vale]

I feel bad for that one dude who popped in

and said hey hey gamers

[north sedge]

i rest my case

[hushed knoll]

I got goat milk lemon soap

[north sedge]

lol

[fading vale]

they are never coming back

[hushed knoll]

Whose fault is that

[north sedge]

goes on reddit and is like "there was this fucking creature named stan....it was horrifying"

[hasty bone]

Lmao

[hushed knoll]

HI STICK

STEPH

[vivid hawk]

when's a good time to activate the special on chaxes?

[north sedge]

lol

hey stick!

[south folio]

wtf stan

[hushed knoll]

Hi Arco

[south folio]

hi stan

you disgust me

[hushed knoll]

It's hard to type while lying on my side and mermaiding

What the fuck arco

[north sedge]

basically crushers and maulers, though you can often just lights on maulers if you're just trying to stunlock em with some dmg

[south folio]

god will punish you one day

[hasty bone]

Oh thanks skel 🫡

[lusty turtle]

np 🫡

[hushed knoll]

Ugh I hate the salute emoji

[fading vale]

mermaiding?

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-gatto-impractical-jokers-mermaid-beach-merman-gif-13168691950222849235

[forest dew]

Fish flopping.

[hushed knoll]

Bed angels but while lying on your side

[lusty turtle]

🫡

[hallow hatch]

can i get uncanny strike on a dagger as its first blessing?

[north sedge]

🫡

[hushed knoll]

You all sock

[fading vale]

yes

[hushed knoll]

Sock

Sock

Suck

[north sedge]

sock sock suck

[lusty turtle]

is that like duck duck goose

[hallow hatch]

are different blessings rarer than others?

[hot thunder]

is the Boss one shot still possible? Using an ironhelm trust 4 unyielding with marty invis backstab and It doesnt work so well with oneshots

[quaint verge]

@lusty turtle Wanna pin this?

[north sedge]

yea but this is the version he plays with his roommate

[hushed knoll]

[lusty turtle]

[fading vale]

crucis better for one shots

[visual stream]

I am become trash, player of Sedition

[hushed knoll]

My roomate and I have shared socks before

[lusty turtle]

god its tempting

[sharp zodiac]

Erhm what the flip narp

[fading vale]

yes

[north sedge]

and sucks

[hushed knoll]

Well he's sucked a hickey into my neck as a joke

[lusty turtle]

ofc hodron is a reddit user

[sharp zodiac]

Sucked a what into huh

[hushed knoll]

But that's about it

[lusty turtle]

STAN

[north sedge]

that is a pretty good prank for sure

haha just did a sexually charged thing to your neck, as a bit

[royal vortex]

this dude is an expert comedian, apparently

[open echo]

suggestions?

[lusty turtle]

things that don't need to be shared on a public discord

[hushed knoll]

It wasn't anything sexual lol

[fading vale]

swap both blessings

[vivid hawk]

any builds that are particularly suited for the chaxe, or do I have options?

[royal vortex]

swap both blessings to bm/headtaker (or decimator if you're a masochist)

[fading vale]

not crit

[royal vortex]

wouldn't use blazing piety with it

momentum/marty are both fine

[hushed knoll]

Are you a Massachusetts

Mask oc

[north sedge]

lol

[sharp zodiac]

Graaaaah

[hushed knoll]

Masochist

[hot thunder]

why crucis better , they have the Same damage value for heavys?

[blazing fossil]

Ever been ‘cupped’ before?

[lusty turtle]

[royal vortex]

stealth is generally not preferred because it doesn't work properly with chain shred attacks

[visual stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1159634915755823114.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[fading vale]

crucis has 25% higher special damage

[north sedge]

here's me The Mask with Jim Carrey OC guys

[hushed knoll]

In what context

[visual stream]

Stan are you certain there isn't something deeper at play

[vivid hawk]

why's that?

[blazing fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cupping-ventosa-relax-spa-spa-day-gif-11502800

[hushed knoll]

He's straight and has a girlfriend we've been over this

[hushed knoll]

Oh no but it looks kinda fire

[hot thunder]

kk thanks

[sharp zodiac]

The hell is that

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[vivid hawk]

care to elaborate?

[royal vortex]

i am now

[fading vale]

cause there's no point in running crit on chaxe, low cleave, not a finesse weapon

[hushed knoll]

I hate you

[lusty turtle]

gonna ask we end the discussion of what weird things stan does with his room mate there, its weird enough and i don't need it getting weirder

[hushed knoll]

I'M SORRY

[north sedge]

yea let's get back to stan's food

[sharp zodiac]

I compared my father's food to burger king as a compliment and I think he shook

[hushed knoll]

I've had so many quiche cups

[fleet zealot]

played uprising-> heresy with my friends

[royal vortex]

not a particularly outstanding finesse weapon and it doesn't get any innate crit-chance boosting

[hushed knoll]

Please forgive me Skel

[north sedge]

lol

[sharp zodiac]

Gibblegorb

[north sedge]

he's quiche cup drunk

[royal vortex]

the other 2 chain weapon types are much more synergistic with blazing piety because they get shred and either attack faster or cleave hordes (for crit cdr) better

[fleet zealot]

heresy is fucking bipolar, it will be dead then suddenly I have to put on my tryhard pants cause my friends got wrecked

[north sedge]

also you can just call it quiche like....it's just quiche

[hushed knoll]

@lusty turtle can you forgive me

[drowsy jackal]

chain axe is fine on a crit build but it has no natural synergies on either end that make it that much more substantially better unlike something like the knife or tact axe due to their naturally high swing speed and crit chance

[vivid hawk]

wtf is this?

[hushed knoll]

It's not a full quiche

[drowsy jackal]

it doesn't even get shred

[hushed knoll]

It's a quiche cup

[sharp zodiac]

Don't forgive Stan make him go through the 8 circles of hell

[lusty turtle]

wtf is a quiche cup

[hushed knoll]

It's an egg mixure baked in cupcake tins

[lusty turtle]

and why would that affect you its none alcoholic and cheese/egg based

[north sedge]

it's just quiche but mini

[hushed knoll]

Eggs make me hyper

I love eggs

[sharp zodiac]

Bro really is a pig

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-egg-dance-dancing-egg-gawr-gura-guregg-gif-25095827

[drowsy jackal]

my girlfriend lays one every month and we crack that boy open and fry it

[north sedge]

hah

[hushed knoll]

What

[drowsy jackal]

whats wrong

[hushed knoll]

@fading vale did you get anything interesting for Kurisumasu

[open echo]

i'm curious can you roll 370+ when your lvl 30? (just 30 nothing past it)

[drowsy jackal]

yes

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[drowsy jackal]

you can roll up to a max of 380

[open echo]

ik

[sharp zodiac]

Erhm 381* actually

[fading vale]

no, I elected to Christmas alone

[sharp zodiac]

Home alone

[hushed knoll]

Oh ok. I hope you're doing ok did Steve get any gifts

[fleet zealot]

381 is a weird rounding error

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[blissful sinew]

half the game is a weird rounding error

[fleet zealot]

i'm a rounding error

[fading vale]

no but he's laying about 2 inches from my face and staring at me so maybe he is disappointed

[vivid hawk]

So is Martyrdom not a meme anymore?

[fading vale]

marty is one of the strongest builds in the game

[sterile schooner]

this was a pain to get but at least it's done

[ember yew]

yeah, pretty easy, but time consuming

gz

[sterile schooner]

kinda nervewracking too tbh

always on the lookout for that one barrel explosion or plague ogryn charge that'll send you flying to your death

[vivid hawk]

this is what I got so far with my limited zealot knowledge, any suggestions for changes and where to put the last 5 points?

[crimson mason]

what's considered the most meta zealot weapon now? the new eviscerator?

[hushed knoll]

Omg I'm jealous

[north sedge]

no, rashad or hsword

[north sedge]

take bleed for emp for marty

[hushed knoll]

If you are allergic to something in your combat axe could you get a large rashad

[fleet zealot]

i think crusher is jsut more meta it's just funnnn

bonkin stick

does everything

[sterile schooner]

i always like Thy Wrath Be Swift, but depends on your weapon and playstyle

[sharp zodiac]

I like chainsaw

Go vr

Slice

[north sedge]

i mean i don't play either rashad or hsword, but both are fucking busted

[sharp zodiac]

Enemy dies

Repeat until everything dies

[vivid hawk]

chaxe and revo atm

[sharp zodiac]

Or I just go hsword and kill a group of ragers in one hit

[crimson mason]

i hope my hsword is still good, its old af

[sharp zodiac]

Honestly it's pretty good

Rampage isn't bad but you can also go dB

[north sedge]

crit to maniac, rampage to deathblow

[sharp zodiac]

Wait

Why Crit chance

[sterile schooner]

you might want it then especially if you're using Thrust as a blessing, so your heavies don't get interrupted

[crimson mason]

i thought maybe the crit would be good with the crit proc from talents

[fleet zealot]

no

[sharp zodiac]

I don't think that's the case unfortunately

[fleet zealot]

hsword isn't a crit weapon

[crimson mason]

''crits count towards fury''

[fleet zealot]

go dclaw, chsword, or evi for that

[vivid hawk]

something like this then?

[crimson mason]

🤔

[fleet zealot]

hsword is not a crit weapon it has normal crit chance and doesn't have any (good) synergizing blessings like shred or precog

[crimson mason]

is deathblow a lot better than rampage?

[fleet zealot]

deathblow is for elite killing, rampage is for horde clear, so db is consdiered better

[sterile schooner]

yup!

[vale lark]

thy wrath be swift is so good

[sterile schooner]

second wind also good but idk if you have the points to reach i t

[ember yew]

i did a lot of runs with both, DB feels better overall

[sterile schooner]

you might have to sac swift certainty or something

[crimson mason]

what does it mean that weakspot kills ignore enemy hit mass, is it a lasting buff after the kill?

[vivid hawk]

would it be worth giving up?

[vale lark]

iirc if you hit head and kill theres no more collision on the rest of the attack

[sterile schooner]

depends on your playstyle tbh, personally i think so

[crimson mason]

but whats the point of no collision if the dude is already dead 🤔

[north sedge]

and the next few targets take first target dmg

[vale lark]

the rest of the enemies

[crimson mason]

if you hit some more people in the same attack?

[north sedge]

so you're chopping down like 4 dudes in the same attack

[crimson mason]

alright

[vale lark]

yeah im not a big fan of it personally

[fleet zealot]

no

BM and DB were reworked (they are the same blessing but different names)

[fading vale]

if you kill first target, you do primary damage to the next, repeat for 4 targets

[fleet zealot]

if you onehit kill with weakspot, you will continue doing first target damage up to 4 targets

[vivid hawk]

if only I could get both

[fleet zealot]

which on a ramped up hsword, means 4 ragers, gunners, or shotgunners in one heavy horizontal swing

[crimson mason]

shame first heavy is a strikedown attack or whatever you call it

[fleet zealot]

it's easy to get into the horizontal heavies

[ember yew]

its actually one of its best traits

[vivid hawk]

Moved some things around, thoughts on the changes?

[ember yew]

the damage is top cake

[fleet zealot]

and it doesn't repeat back into the vertical

[crimson mason]

it sure is, but doesnt seem to synergize with deathblow cleave

[vale lark]

almost identical to my build

[sterile schooner]

seems solid yeah

[royal vortex]

v solid

[vivid hawk]

how many +wound curios you need for optimal martyrdoming?

[fleet zealot]

cause you jsut cancel into the horizontals

[sterile schooner]

3

[fleet zealot]

then every heavy is horizontal cause it's not a full loop

[vale lark]

or just throw out a light then heavy

[fleet zealot]

3

[ember yew]

just get a feel of the sword, its not that complicated

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dancing-dance-move-cute-to-the-left-gif-15732422

[vale lark]

if you chain heavies it doesnt go back to the vert slash i think

[ember yew]

to go back to strikedown slash you can either special + heavy again

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-dance-slinky-ferret-dancing-gif-15881741

[fleet zealot]

yes

[ember yew]

or block + heavy

[vale lark]

i wish i could swap the look on the hswords

[ember yew]

you can

via mod

[vale lark]

i like the falchion but the messer looks best

imo

yeah i might get for the drip at some point

[ember yew]

people are transforming bolter to shotgun

swords to katanas

and to other stuff

[vale lark]

im more interested in being to recolour armour

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/ghostwire-gif-25546071

good soup

[ember yew]

i wonder if i can transform laspistol into beretta or desert eagle

[ember yew]

clothing mods are on the way

but that could force fatshark to act

idk

[north sedge]

nah guys it's super hard to access that hsword heavy, you have to do a 2nd heavy off either an l1 or h1.........tough

[ember yew]

because these mods allow free use of DLC cosmetics (ofc only you will see it)

[vale lark]

you can do that with for the drip

[north sedge]

on the way? they've been around for quite a long while

[ember yew]

arent they like

kinda

[covert sonnet]

What’s the difference between the Mk II and Mk XIV revolver? I haven’t unlocked the second yet, so I’m curious

[ember yew]

"unnofficial"

[shy river]

when they addin nude skins

[vale lark]

all mods are right?

i know they dont mind mods but some might be pushing it

[north sedge]

zarona is the stronger one, aim and shoot, the newer one you fan and has a speedloader

[vale lark]

i could see them banning the recolour mod as they like to sell recolours

[covert sonnet]

Clothing mods don’t break the rules unless it gives you stuff for free that you would otherwise have to work for, to my knowledge

[ember yew]

well so far nothing happened, but we cant say certain what happen in the future

[vale lark]

yeah

[ember yew]

Well, using paid DLC clothes for free, that you technically "need to work for" ($$$) could be an issue too, right?

even if you are the only one seeing them

[covert sonnet]

Yes

I would assume

[ember yew]

However, they can just erase that option from the mod and that would be ok

if the issues arise

I would like a mod that changes characters to space marines

[tawny tangle]

There was a mod that visually change ogyrn stubber shots to Lasgun bolts.

[dim sky]

What are some preferred range slot options you (anyone) prefer to run alongside thicc crucis t.hammer? And a brief why it compliments.

[surreal solstice]

AFAIK cosmetic mods don't break rules if only user can see them

[misty ravine]

Flamer because Crucis is only good for shitting on one target at a time, or throwing hordes around without damaging them. Take with throwing knives so you can quickly kill specials + skip flamer draw animation

[north sedge]

it damages hordes

i run agri brauto usually

[dim sky]

Havent tried much flame gun alongside yet. Will toss it on rotation. I am however blessed with god stats and t4 perks, t4 slaughter, t4 thrust so it does actually take a while for a horde to overwhelm this thicc 2hander.

[north sedge]

flamer is nice in certain modes, scab melee only, twins fight

[shy river]

Is the blessing that causes elites to explode on kill for the flamer actually legit damage or is it a meme?

Haven't tried it yet

[north sedge]

meme

[misty ravine]

Meme, its proc chance is fuckall% and barely noticeable even when it does

[shy river]

lame

[north sedge]

it procs fine, the problem is low dmg and low radius, plus elites are usually the last things alive

[fading vale]

I run any of brauto, revolver, kant/lawbringer shotguns, columnus IAG, flamer, or laspistol with hammer

[shy river]

One of its kind and also it sucks

[fading vale]

I would highly recommend kant shotgun as it can fill all roles including horde clear

and it kills bulwarks through their shields

[misty ravine]

Zealot can never go wrong with the old revolver. Draws fast, kills specials and thins elites fast, since it's not your primary weapon its low capacity matters less

[barren onyx]

new here, just got this, thoughts?

[quaint verge]

Cc Abit low

But try upgrading it, if it's better than your other hammer (if you have one)

[misty ravine]

Crowd Control is a little sad, but it's still a fine weapon that you can pay Hadron to ruin

[quaint verge]

Blessings to hunt for are slaughter & thrust

But headtaker can be used instead of slaugther

[tawny tangle]

Hope for slaughter/headtaker and thrust with flak and unyielding

[misty ravine]

Does Headtaker still stack from dot damage

[barren onyx]

Thanks for the tips

[tawny tangle]

Don't think so

[quaint verge]

And DoT stacking has been fixed iirc

[shy badge]

It's a complete meme, Fan the Flames or Quickflame is better and provides more utility

[shy badge]

Defenses is too high for too little CC, base stats also only 362. Not exactly the best weapon imo

If you spend enough time blocking with a thunder hammer for high defenses to provide any usefulness, you're using it wrong or are in a rare situation

[prime ridge]

Have the people on reddit been kicked by horses?

[hexed field]

i know i have

[quaint verge]

Flashy meme

[prime ridge]

So many people suggesting putting savage sweep 4 on a MK XV evis

[shy badge]

If you think thats the case then don't ever look at the steam forums

[prime ridge]

I specifically avoid steam forums at all times

[dim sky]

Pen 69% cuz it was too long to shove all the way up a heretics ass. 31% stuck out.

[prime ridge]

11% actually

[ripe quest]

It's usefulness comes from the suppression AoE. Often it'll just be a cosmetic for your Flamer. There are niche situations where it outputs some damage, but it's on a 20% chance and can be outdamaged by the flamer itself.

[prime ridge]

the other 20% is the emperor's share

[dim sky]

Emperor gets just the tip. (20%)

[fleet zealot]

steam forums is the worst place to go

[prime ridge]

Steam Forums: Leave your brain at the door.

[fleet zealot]

i remember fulltime trolling the saltiest people on the dota 2 steam forumsw

not only are they the dumbest, most often wrong, but also the angriest people

[ripe quest]

I'd see what the followup perks and blessings are. A low CC is a tiny bit annoying but can be compensated by good modifications and a horde softener.

[prime ridge]

Its the most volatile combination. The stupid, who think they are smart, being so deadset in the idea that they think is correct but is actually wrong, and the impotent rage of a touchless virgin boiling below.

[misty ravine]

Steam Forums have nothing on the Facebook Group

[wooden tendon]

what thunderhammer is best?

[misty ravine]

The best Thunder Hammer is the Indignatus Crusher

[north sedge]

crucis has a better moveset and special does 25% more dmg, but hits the first thing in the swing. ironhelm special cleaves until an elite but has a goofier moveset

either works, is preference

crusher is not a hammer

[wooden tendon]

thanks

[odd wagon]

does anyone know when the shop resets?

[misty ravine]

7 PM Eastern

[north sedge]

which shop

[odd wagon]

ah tyty

[quaint verge]

Melk is 24h while brunts is 1h between rotation

[odd wagon]

ah was asking about the commodore shop

[north sedge]

tomorrow

every 2 weeks on thursdays

[shy badge]

Every hour on the hour

[dim sky]

Isnt there a timer in the corner of every shop declaring the remaining time to rotation?

[hasty flare]

Quick question, do any of you know any ways to use 'Thy Wrath Be Swift' without being forced to take the right sided tree for it to be good?

[north sedge]

what do you mean

you don't have to go straight down the right, just branch over and pick up twbs

[hasty flare]

I've tried and so far my combinations have made my builds weaker. Going full left side is the strongest, but I miss out on Thy Wrath Be Swift, and nothing irritates me more than getting interrupted out of my attack right as it's about to hit. But when I tried to mix things up, it just made it weaker

[fleet zealot]

dear god

https://tenor.com/view/no-this-is-a-bucket-gasp-no-way-gif-18649024

[north sedge]

🤔

what weapon

[delicate needle]

what're you running?

[north sedge]

and full left side is not the strongest at all

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom build can hit twbs and still go mostly right side

[delicate needle]

i never take twbs and i just play around getting interrupted by dodging and push attacking frequently

[hasty flare]

Tigris Eviscerator with the best modifiers I've gotten

I'll grab a screenshot in a second

[hasty flare]

I'm not talking about strongest in the game, I'm talking about when comparing using the left tree vs the right tree

With this weapon specifically

[next trench]

everybody low hp, ogryn puts down medpack, me and ogryn heal, psycher and zealot go in alone at like 10% hp and die instantly then ragequit on auric maelstorm

:)

[whole vapor]

This is the way.

[shy badge]

the middle right side of the tree mostly exists to have synchronicities with Shroudfield playstyles

Top right is for crit builds and it is quite nice

[north sedge]

🤔

[next trench]

ehhh

not really

i use momentum with guns

and the dash ability

melts through anything

you can mix and match lots of things

[shy badge]

You mean Chastise the Wicked?

[next trench]

yeah

keep forgetting the name

[shy badge]

Fury of the Faithful is the new name, but the devs themselves still call it Chastise the Wicked in multiple instances

[hasty flare]

Because it's Chastise the Wicked initially and then upgrades to Fury

[whole vapor]

Was wondering why everyone called it Chastise instead of Fury

[next trench]

i call THE DASH

[delicate needle]

yeah

[next trench]

simple as

[north sedge]

yes it was chastise prior to the class overhaul

[shy badge]

I like the old name better

[delicate needle]

@hasty flare idk what ranged you use, but this is where i go with my evis + shotgun build

[shy badge]

Works better when having a preacher zealot and with their voicelines

[delicate needle]

you can probably crawl over to twbs instead of holy revenant if you use a similar one

[hasty flare]

Stuck with a really bad Columnus Mk II Braced Autogun

[shy badge]

Anoint in Blood too I assume as it should be almost standard

[hasty flare]

My last gun was worse

I've had really bad luck with zealot weapons until this eviserator

[delicate needle]

could still work, you could benefit from faster reload with how often you need to reload the columnus

and emperor's bullet

[whole vapor]

Ehhh

[delicate needle]

uh oh

[vale lark]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-kruber-fall-over-fall-over-gif-26485764

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/great-teacher-onizuka-gif-25044670

[shy badge]

I had a good base stat roll on my best MV but the blessings are stuck unfavorably

[hasty flare]

So you're telling me this weapon that's performed the best out of any weapons I've ever had is still trash?

[fleet zealot]

oh noo

[delicate needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841879315104399410/1168317829683105904/ezgif.com-gif-maker_1.gif?ex=655153c4&is=653edec4&hm=1e9bea905b43d2682be6f4318cd9cc5c4bf00eeda6bae4bec13702a43f8e859e&

[fleet zealot]

very much so

you are doing a lot of feels

you feel it performs better

[hasty flare]

No I'm not

[fleet zealot]

so you have a weapon you enjoy

so we can start from there

[delicate needle]

the blessings are tragic, but the base weapon is still really good with those stats

do you take blazing piety?

[fleet zealot]

perfect strike is just a worse version of both wrath and savage sweep

[hasty flare]

One at a time please

[hasty flare]

Yes

[vale lark]

yeah with those stats you could have no blessings and it would wreck

but that means you can go better

[fleet zealot]

read one at a time

[whole vapor]

Lol love it

[delicate needle]

i would probably replace rev it up with either wrath/savage sweep if you're going blazing piety

[fleet zealot]

BUT for the mk15 evis, you don't want a cleave blessing at all, the sweep attacks cap at 3 targets anyways, cleave stat functionally does nothing

[nova ginkgo]

4 iirc

[delicate needle]

ong? 😭

[shy badge]

Rev is nice for when you dont have chastise the wicked

or shroud

[north sedge]

staggers stuff, but isn't mandatory or anything, new evisc wants rampage + whatever you want, basically

[vale lark]

doesnt cleave refer to the damage dropoff as the weapon hits more people?

[fleet zealot]

for blessings you are gonna want rampage+shred, or rampage+whatever if you aren't going crit

[fleet zealot]

no

[hasty flare]

I don't exactly have a lot of options

[fleet zealot]

just hitmass

[shy badge]

Momentum on it is also a funny meme that works too well

[delicate needle]

roll with what you have for now, but you'll want to keep rolling for more blessings on other eviscerators

[fleet zealot]

on some weapons, will get stuck before they hit their damage limit, like dclaws and chsword or mk2 evi

[whole vapor]

Time to spend some ordos and plastseel

[fleet zealot]

so savage sweep/cleave blessings are good then

[light holly]

Yeeah

[fleet zealot]

but for mk15 where the lights are the main form of clear, it does functionally nothing

[shy badge]

I haven't touched this one yet because I'm not sure how I'd want to build it out

[fleet zealot]

oof

only thing good there is elites

[shy badge]

eh the weak spot damage is okay for it

[fleet zealot]

no

weakspot damage perk is very bad cause fatshark hates math

it only boosts the bonus damage you would get from the weakspot hit

[shy badge]

and not overall damage?

[fleet zealot]

doesn't increase the weakspot damage ration, doesn't increase overall damage

[shy badge]

I don't know how I'd forgotten that

[fleet zealot]

just the bonus damage is increased by 10%, leaving it at around 4% damage boost depending on weapon

[light holly]

I don't blame you because some of these stats aren't like explained

[fleet zealot]

yee, elites, specialists, and 25% to armor apply to the total damage

(as well as dots while you have the weapon out)

[shy badge]

So probably change that to Flak if I'm willing to live with bloodletter

[fleet zealot]

bloodletter kinda only matters for monstros, and bloodthirsty is just a poor design anyways but I heard it isn't the worst on mk15

[shy badge]

It would could have some synchronicity with Scourge on my crit build... but the weapon doesn't

[fleet zealot]

it has counter synergy

[shy badge]

too slow and unwieldy

[fleet zealot]

cause the 100% crit chance means you waste all of your crit chance you have on your person

[whole vapor]

Just roll one with shred and rampage unless of course you have a skill issue.

[hasty flare]

This is the setup I'm currently running with on this weapon

[olive raven]

Yea weakspot damage only adds like 5 damage it’s wildly bad math

[fleet zealot]

plus, to keep it up, you have to chain single target kills,

[north sedge]

woof

[olive raven]

What weapon

Also for piety

You want the right side not the left im pretty sure

[hasty flare]

Oh?

[shy badge]

the right side is increased crit chance, which is most of the point of the build

[olive raven]

Left side is never taken most of the time

[shy badge]

Crits will count towards piety stacks and additional 10% crit chance

very important

[hasty flare]

Okay but if I start dying to a light breeze I'm switching back

[north sedge]

left side of piety is trash

[delicate needle]

hm. i dunno about taking blood redemption and vicious offering

[shy badge]

The only purpose to use it to give crit chance to coherency

[delicate needle]

could probably use those 2 talent points to get something nicer

[north sedge]

and it's only giving 5%

[delicate needle]

like swift certainty

[hasty flare]

@olive raven this one

[hasty flare]

Why not?

[olive raven]

Solution: take second wind

[shy badge]

If this is a crit build you should get Enduring Faith instead of Blood Redemption

and second wind yeah

[delicate needle]

ewew is used for your toughness gen, and you're using the XV right?

[olive raven]

Second wind will make you never die tbh

[delicate needle]

the heavies on that are single target

you don't get much value out of vicious offering

[fleet zealot]

absolutely no reason to take left side under blazing piety

[delicate needle]

and blood redemption, you can really just get something way more useful than a meager toughness replenishment boost on kill

[shy badge]

Just run into the middle of enemies with a tactical axe and dodge constantly while getting weakspot hits, you'll take so many hits that do nothing to you while getting constant crits

[fleet zealot]

the "supportive" benefits don't help a lot of builds that dont care/need crit

[lyric rain]

Can someone help me understand the Turtofsky MkIX? It gets a lot of hype, Im using this with flak instead of groaner and it honestly feels terrible to use

[fleet zealot]

and the right side is just that much powerful

[fleet zealot]

sweep does nothing

[delicate needle]

tbh grab headtaker

[fleet zealot]

heavy sword has high cleave baseline

and groaners to flak

[lyric rain]

Yeah I have flak in there now

[fleet zealot]

right side of blazing piety gives you more crit, and every enemy you hit with a crit stacks up blazing more

[delicate needle]

the entire schtick is using the heavy attacks to sweep a horde of heads, and bc of deathblow you keep proccing the first target damage on each head i believe

[shy badge]

Your first heavy attack is a great single target strikedown, your attacks after are uninterrupted horizontal swings... use it with momentum and chastise the wicked imo

[north sedge]

change sweep to headtaker

[fleet zealot]

yee, you want headtaker for sure

[lyric rain]

I'm used to power sword with cycler 4 so am missing unlimited cleave

[shy badge]

Headtaker is the blessing for sure

[fleet zealot]

sweep is literally a dead blessing on heavy sword

[fleet zealot]

hsword practically has unlimited cleave besides unyielding and carapace

[lyric rain]

Gotcha, I will look for headtaker

Just takes lots of swings to horde clear

Spoiled by brutal momentum psword i guess

[delicate needle]

@hasty flare anyways, if you take out blood redemption and vicious, and take out the +10% node at the bottom, you can spec over into swift certainty i think, which gives you more sprint speed and you dodge whenever you're sprinting

which is very valuable for not getting lit up

[rustic lagoon]

Mk XV Heavy Eviscerator with Sweep is just satisfactor.

[fleet zealot]

why

it does nothing

15 hits the damage cap before it runs out of cleave

[north sedge]

swift certainty does not do what it says

[delicate needle]

use heavies and aim for weak spots, should be mowing them down

[delicate needle]

what 🥹

[quiet sonnet]

Hey am I using the flamer wrong or is it not very good

[olive raven]

my recommendation, sacrifices some damage for survivability

[north sedge]

you're using it wrong

[fleet zealot]

probably the first

[quiet sonnet]

Okay thank you

[fleet zealot]

flamer is in a weird spot where it isn't good in the meta, but it's still an amazing weapon for what it does

[hasty flare]

Thank you for actually showing what it could look like

[north sedge]

the dodge refers to dodging gunfire when running at an angle, you can do this without the talent, with certainty it just means you can still do it at 0 stamina, normally running out of stamina means getting shot

[olive raven]

Ya course, was just at dinner so I couldn’t for a bit

I can explain some of the choices too if you like

[delicate needle]

that's exactly how i thought it worked

[hasty flare]

Please do

[delicate needle]

cant believe u made me question myself

[shy badge]

The flamer is one of the best CC weapons in the game, what are your issues?

[delicate needle]

still, that and +10% sprint is good

i stand my ground

[north sedge]

it only works on gunfire though, it's not like, autododge

[shy badge]

Can't tell you how you're using it wrong unless you tell us whats "wrong" with it

[hasty flare]

I'd prefer constructive criticism over just being told my choices are shit

[fleet zealot]

not everyone is free to jsut drop everything and make a whole new tree, but I'm free to explain why individual choices are bad

[north sedge]

whats your flamer look like

[blissful sinew]

does anoint in blood go all the way down to 0 bonus?

[fleet zealot]

biggest thing with flamer is 76% burn, high cloud stat, two 25% damage perks or at least 10% elites, blaze away + whatever you want cause overpressure is bugged

[olive raven]

Dropped Faithful Frenzy and Sustained Assault in exchange for points basically.

Take right side of piety as it is generally more beneficial for crits. Dropped the knockback node as it’s eh, just dodge sorta thing.

Took TWBS as it gives melee and ranged stun immunity + dance with death. 4 point investment but worth it tbh.

Dropped bleed for the emperor as your curios setup (ideally) means it only procs once.

Dropped blood redemption in exchange for toughness damage reduction of crit (you should have crits often) and 15% toughness on dodge for more survivability. Took anoint in blood for more ranged damage with the spare point.

[mossy tulip]

Flamer needs more ammo

[north sedge]

flamer ammo is fine

[shy badge]

If you run Quickflame it reloads almost instantly and ammo is less of a problem

[fleet zealot]

I have the opposite effect where I'm primed for a big heavy swing and they just go away from me

[north sedge]

no i believe it bottoms out at 10%, unless something has changed somewhat recently

[fleet zealot]

you need to use it in bursts outside of using it for crushers/getting 16 stacks on a monster

[shy badge]

Out of curiosity what is the logic behind running blaze aaway, you can just run Anoint in Blood and get a better blessing

[blissful sinew]

sweet, im getting sick of losing revolver breakpoints because of damage dropoff specifically

[north sedge]

there arent any better blessings

[shy badge]

Because its only going to really matter much when you're on the verge of running out of ammo anyway

[hasty flare]

My initial question was trying to figure out how to fit TWBS into this build so thank you

[native cargo]

Gotta love it when they look like they are heading at you so you prepare then they do a 90 degree turn and hit your teammate

[north sedge]

blaze away finishes stacking before running out, and it's extra power for elite packs

[olive raven]

A few of your choices that I dropped are perfectly fine like Sustained Assault so it’s wasn’t bad there.

TWBS I take in nearly every zealot build due to the large benefits.

A couple things like Bleed for the Emperor, left side of piety, blood redemption were ehhhh as you can gain more benefits from the right side, second wind and crit TDR

[shy badge]

Fan the flames turns you into more of a stagger machine than blaze away does

[delicate needle]

crazy how derailed that got

[shy badge]

Only meaningful for the final 40% of the magazine though

[north sedge]

why do i need stagger when everything is dead

[fleet zealot]

fan the flames functionally does nothing

flamer has a quick ttk

[shy badge]

Nah it does

[fleet zealot]

and the puffs already have great cc

[sharp zodiac]

And there's not even a fan to go with it

[fleet zealot]

it helps in some fringe cases

[sharp zodiac]

False advertising

[olive raven]

Yea tbh I prefer immolation nades or throwing knives myself so it’s usually easier to implement but it’s a 4 point investment in exchange for Dance with Death & TWBS which are both goated

[native cargo]

I brap the flames

[fleet zealot]

but those fringe cases you'd be better off with showstopper or quickflame

[sharp zodiac]

Ew

[native cargo]

Its how you tox flame

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-cheer-goku-jolly-present-gif-10077742462783738616

[shy badge]

Showstopper is literally useless though

It exists for memes

[fleet zealot]

less than fan

[hasty flare]

I'll give it a try and let you know how it goes comparitively

[olive raven]

👍 manage your dodges right and the build shall do you well

[fleet zealot]

the only way fan would be good is if it staggered monsters but that would also make it stupidly broken

[olive raven]

Hopefully (I genuinely hope so)

[north sedge]

yea, blaze away is basically the only good flamer blessing, rest are ok to terrible

[shy badge]

Quickflame is good, idk why people hate on it

It provides a lot of utility to improve up time

[blazing fossil]

Broken how? Smite exists, that’s broken.

[fleet zealot]

habit

[fleet zealot]

smite doesn't stun monsters

and flamer can just kill what it can CC

[royal vortex]

hello my gravy babies

[olive raven]

Smite is… not broken 💀

[blazing fossil]

Smite does stun (oh you meant monsters lol)

[dark zealot]

funny way of saying heretic

[fleet zealot]

quickflame is good now that overpressure is bugged

[sharp zodiac]

Hello mass..

Ok why are you a state now

[fleet zealot]

but if overpressure ever gets fixed to buff burn damage again, it's back to blaze+op

[north sedge]

stan made him a state

[olive raven]

Oh god

[sharp zodiac]

It's always Stan

[olive raven]

The worst New England state too

[sharp zodiac]

I need to stop asking this question

[hasty flare]

Quick test in the meat grinder, I can't one shot crushers anymore which makes me sad. But we'll see how it is on heresy and above in games where I'm getting shot at

[royal vortex]

stan

[fleet zealot]

tip for mechanic you may not know

[quiet sonnet]

Im just struggling to find a use over just going melee

[delicate needle]

what's your melee

[dark zealot]

burn funni

[fleet zealot]

but rev'd chain weapon attacks don't get full benefit of chastise unless you chastise after you hit

[olive raven]

Tbh I dislike the whole “one tap crusher” ideas when making a build, idk if your evis is running rampage/shred so

[hasty flare]

I know...

[north sedge]

flamer is for thick hordes and elite packs

[quiet sonnet]

I mainly use the funny giant chain sword

[shy badge]

Instant crowd control for when your team is lacking, killing large hordes quickly

[hasty flare]

Sorry that was harsh

[olive raven]

I find building a build to survive and deal more damage due to uptime is better imo

[dark zealot]

a proper zealot then

[north sedge]

better in scab melee only or twins fight, otherwise i dont use flamer

[shy badge]

The flamer is niche, but very useful in its niche

[fleet zealot]

flamer is just in a bad spot cause of the meta where you have to kill bombers/flamers

[hasty flare]

It isn't

[olive raven]

Like one hits are nice if you can get them, but I don’t like sacrificing survivability

[hasty flare]

Pretty starved for different blessings on this one

[daring blaze]

I wonder when Fatshark will give zealots a Claw & Chopper

Like the Axe and Falchion

[olive raven]

That’s fair, hopefully you can get a better roll sometime

Unfortunately the crafting system is ass

[fleet zealot]

kanty shotgun gives the fire but it counters bulwarks and can 2 tap specials from any range

[dark zealot]

infinite pen shotgun

that burns

[blissful sinew]

is there a better toughness regen node than ewew besides second wind?

[shy badge]

Just testing out Blaze away and Overpressure and it doesn't seem they really do much to increase TTK on specials/elites at all

as was my previous opinion

[olive raven]

Over pressure is bugged rn

[shy badge]

I know that

[daring blaze]

Inexorable Judgement with the left node below it

[shy badge]

Blaze away isn't and it still feels mostly useless

[prime ridge]

Lads

[olive raven]

Left node is bait

WOOOO SAUCE

It’s better to take momentum on dodge

[fleet zealot]

Blaze away is a must for crusher and monster dps

[daring blaze]

It's better to take both

[fleet zealot]

you don't use it for horde clear you just burst fire for that

[prime ridge]

Scale of 1-10 how much would yall like a maccabian duelling sword?

[olive raven]

I’ve only seen like one build where toughness from momentum is actually worth it

And that was a singular knife build

[shy badge]

by the time they even kick in you're already doing enough damage from the fire stacks

[daring blaze]

It's 2% per stack every 8 seconds

you can get 10 stacks with minimal effort

[ripe quest]

SoC is off-meta because it has a cooldown. I will only clarify through paint.net drawings with hand drawn text.

[delicate needle]

i wanna try out a columnus, should i run iag or brauto?

[shy badge]

It seems pointless, for most of the magazine you're upping a ~60 damage tick by 8-24% whats the point