#zealot-class

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fleet zealot
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just poor ammo/damage per % of mag/reserve

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vraks 3 and revolver just out perform bolter rn

hardy surge
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oh! animation cancelling with throwing knifes sounds interesting, what animations? reload?

ornate bone
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I think I’m gonna give up on the thunder hammer

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Cool as it is it can’t kill crushers on damn

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Hell it ain’t even killing maulers on damnation with a charged for me anymore!

north sedge
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It's illegal to quit hammer sadly

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🤔

covert sonnet
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what's this mod to see health?

hardy surge
proven merlin
ornate bone
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Thrust 3

hardy surge
ornate bone
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Only 1778 damage

sly vector
covert sonnet
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ty!

ornate bone
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Shouldn’t this thing be one shotting maulers

copper hawk
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Healthbars

ornate bone
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Had better luck with the knife

copper hawk
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Wellz..

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U used chastise

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So anythin would be good against that Crusher

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Chastise downgrades the armor on the target it hits w ranged

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In this case, it downgrades the Carapace to Flak

balmy chasm
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How do I go about fishing for good gear?

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Or crafting a "good" base?

copper hawk
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And the damage is applied thusly

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It's how in the same vain the Agri Brauto is good against armor

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You can chastise into a crusher and left click

hardy surge
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the classic revolver with surgical hand cannon can drop a crusher in 2-3 shots

copper hawk
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nerd_cat over

hardy surge
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without chastice

wheat nymph
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The revolver is dangerously strong

copper hawk
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Find the kind of wpn you want

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Judt keep buying

ornate bone
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I wish all revolvers had the speed loader

copper hawk
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And sort through the trash

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If you fish for a specific blessing, consecrate to blue

balmy chasm
copper hawk
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It's the most cost effective

wheat nymph
copper hawk
hardy surge
copper hawk
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Depending on how the points are distributed

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For all weapons, defences and/or mobility are the dump stats

balmy chasm
copper hawk
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Yah

ornate bone
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It’s a small burst fast burst compared to the bolter slow heavy Burst

copper hawk
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Until Hadron bricks them

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Congrats

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U jusg made it to the endgame

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A slot machine with extra steps

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U just*

ornate bone
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Wanna very quickly pull the small revolver out and take out a spec but it’s reload I might as well use a bolter

proven merlin
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honestly I think the revolvers are overrated. They start struggling with throughput when you have more than one or two crushers in front of you, and carapace is really the only thing they have going for them over an autogun

copper hawk
wheat nymph
copper hawk
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Agri brauto my beloved

sterile schooner
proven merlin
north sedge
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Revolver is broken good

wheat nymph
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I have my chain sword for horde clearing and my revolver for killing specials

autumn vector
copper hawk
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Pepperidge farm remembers when revolver was undeniably trash

night cypress
novel umbra
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Is abhor the mutant bugged again? I’ve killed a mutant while dashing twice now and not gotten it

agile pivot
sterile schooner
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I like the punch through that the revolver has, can shoot a trapper through the horde its hiding behind

north sedge
agile pivot
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All of zealots melee clear crushers ez

proven merlin
north sedge
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Abhor the mutant works

novel umbra
wheat nymph
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Maybe not the knife

copper hawk
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Or the dclaw

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Or the heavy swords

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Or the eviscerators..

sharp zodiac
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Man this burger slaps

abstract cloud
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Revolver > Bolter. Totally keeping with the lore.

agile pivot
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Evis deals with crushers ez

wheat nymph
agile pivot
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Hsword and dclaw

north sedge
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Cowboys are simply cooler than space marines

rigid trellis
night cypress
copper hawk
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Kid named 3 second cutscene during crusher horde

agile pivot
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Well dclaw also ez kills them

sharp zodiac
sturdy cypress
night cypress
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The Knife if you get it right with a good set of blessings and modifers is a power trip

copper hawk
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Noooh

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Pls

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Noh more knife postin

sharp zodiac
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Lacerate

copper hawk
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Pls dont sa

wheat nymph
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Thammer is ofc the best for crushers

copper hawk
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NOH

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STOPPP

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STOPH !!!

agile pivot
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Wheres the video of crab one shotting a bunch of crushers with the dclaw while going on about how op crushers are

night cypress
copper hawk
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Luna

sharp zodiac
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NYEHEHEGGEGEHEHEHEGEGE

copper hawk
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Ill killz u.

sturdy cypress
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NOBODY POST THE GIF

copper hawk
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NOOOOH

night cypress
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LACERATE

proven merlin
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honestly even thunder hammer is mediocre against crushers. It's fine against isolated ones but large groups it just can't kill fast enough

copper hawk
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STOPPI TRIGIIIINLDMWPAA

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KRO393NRNWDALAS LQMWOD92MS

median steeple
sharp zodiac
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Engineer

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Oh nvm he's hitting the cadian

wheat nymph
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Sentry going up?

sharp zodiac
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Not without the dispenser

agile pivot
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Thammer is mediocre against even 1 crusher xd

copper hawk
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Lmfao

frozen glen
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do not put lacerate on ur knife

copper hawk
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Dough r u seein this

frozen glen
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stoppit

wheat nymph
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Im not really a fan of the thammer in my opinion

sharp zodiac
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It's fun

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But it's like a waterslide

agile pivot
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Thammer is a solidly meh weapon that can OCCASIONALLY do funne

median steeple
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blessed emperor kill this man

sharp zodiac
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You go once then want to try something else

copper hawk
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I'm a big fan of my blahaj

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Tbh

median steeple
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shork

sharp zodiac
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What's it's name

hardy surge
copper hawk
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I named it after someone

proven merlin
copper hawk
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A boy never tells

frozen glen
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dont do that

sharp zodiac
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Robert Lewandowski

wheat nymph
night cypress
copper hawk
sharp zodiac
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I don't even know who the fuck that is I just came up with random names

wheat nymph
sharp zodiac
median steeple
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the drunk homosexual

copper hawk
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Not after a fake human

balmy chasm
copper hawk
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After a real human

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That I know..

sharp zodiac
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The only thing ik about it is the lesbian scene that's been all over my TL

copper hawk
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And I talk 2 frequently..

agile pivot
median steeple
agile pivot
copper hawk
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Low first target

median steeple
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stop thy doubting its bad

copper hawk
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Up to u rlly

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If you have the plasteel see what happens

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It has flak as a perk

balmy chasm
rigid trellis
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0-80

copper hawk
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Iirc like 72%+ for most

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Defences can be as low as it can be

balmy chasm
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25% Flak, 20% infested, Perfect Strike

copper hawk
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The HS's main shtick is hellishly fast mixed horde clear

agile pivot
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Its main schtick is total rager death

copper hawk
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First target gimps the damage done to the first target in a swing

agile pivot
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kill ragers behead ragers

copper hawk
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The perks you want r flak and maniac

sharp zodiac
copper hawk
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The blessings you want can be either ht and ramp or slaught whatevs it has as another power blessing

sharp zodiac
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Godrick the grafted

agile pivot
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Gotta love the 6 ragers in one swing on hs6

wheat nymph
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If i could kill ragers more

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I would

copper hawk
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Or ht (headtaker) and deatblow

balmy chasm
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Ty so much

copper hawk
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I run the double power blessings because I'm as braindead as I am gay

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(Very)

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So I just left click

agile pivot
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how it feels to face ragers

copper hawk
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It's also my old heavy sword from ye olde days

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Back when it was a bit more niche

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And struggled against things like ragers

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Now it just kills everything

balmy chasm
median steeple
sharp zodiac
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I used to run the HS, but the rot has consumed too much of my brain so I must recover

wheat nymph
copper hawk
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When fighting single targets, or armored targets, or need to stagger something with the IX

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Use th3 special attack

wheat nymph
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The non armoured ones just seem...
Stronger

copper hawk
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It chains into J1

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H1*

agile pivot
copper hawk
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Do H1 and special on a loop to kill things like crushers

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3verything else

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Left click

agile pivot
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dreg ragers get cleaved through with evis h1 which means they take like 200 damage and live

median steeple
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I think someone said that unarmoured enemies have a diff modifier for them compared to armoured enemies but that was months ago and I forgot what it was

agile pivot
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Scab ragers get chewed on

wheat nymph
copper hawk
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Need that last blessing though

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Hope you gamble and win

agile pivot
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Also maniac is not a common hp type for weapons to have a bonus against

ripe quest
balmy chasm
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I don't have the resources to dump to up it to Yellow sadly

ornate bone
balmy chasm
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I am a relatively fresh 30

ornate bone
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the poxwalker when you use a ladder

balmy chasm
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Need to do lots of farming

ripe quest
wheat nymph
agile pivot
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Pin this

ornate bone
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or whatever

ornate bone
median steeple
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vsauce, micheal here

ornate bone
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WÁLTAR

median steeple
wheat nymph
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WE NEED TO SERVE THE GOD EMPEROR WALTUH

north sedge
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Yooo it's been a while since I played, is bleed knife still amazing and i hear flamer is doodoo cacacaca dogshit?

median steeple
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hector is the god emperor when he gets tired of sitting on the throne

frozen glen
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flamer was ruINED after the nerfs

median steeple
frozen glen
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RUINED

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i tell u

median steeple
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curse ye fatshank

wheat nymph
median steeple
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fucking love killin em with door

lapis cave
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question about talents:

For zealot momentum build, how important is the melee stun immunity from Thy Wrath be Swift? Is that mostly a very high difficulty play?

frozen glen
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twbs is very good just take it

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it also has ranged stagger immunity

north sedge
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Twbs is great always

median steeple
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yeah you should just always be taking twbs

lapis cave
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I like scourge + enduring faith too

balmy chasm
lapis cave
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was wondering how viable that is as I move into aurics

copper hawk
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Yes

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Awful

rigid trellis
copper hawk
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Putrid even

ornate bone
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I forgot which one is enduring faith, but scourge is pretty nice to have for blazing piety or high crit weapons with inexorable judgement

balmy chasm
copper hawk
ornate bone
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And specially chastise, since you guarantee a crit that way

copper hawk
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What wpn r u running

lapis cave
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enduring faith gives you 50% toughness damage reduction on crit

ornate bone
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Oh, that

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Quite goated

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But for critting, of course

north sedge
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Depends on the weapon

lapis cave
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yeah, I feel like you lose a lot to get the stun immunity

copper hawk
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And r u confident diving shooters/gunners

lapis cave
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which is why I wanted to know if I'd be crippling myself not taking it

north sedge
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You gain so much

lapis cave
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the stun immunity is melee only

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but yes

copper hawk
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No

north sedge
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No

copper hawk
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It's ranged

north sedge
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It is ranged also

copper hawk
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It's everything

frozen glen
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its melee and ranged

north sedge
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It just doesn't say it

lapis cave
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lol, it specifies melee

copper hawk
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It allows you to run into gunners without being stunned

lapis cave
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but that's huge

copper hawk
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One of the many tooltips that isn't correct

lapis cave
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totally changes the talent

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okay, that clinches it. I thought it was melee only

median steeple
copper hawk
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If you're using a two handed weapon with thrust, or is hellishly slow

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Run it. Always

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If not.. depends

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Up to you rlly

ornate bone
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I like TWBS as a seatbelt for weapons

lapis cave
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yeah, it's good for just diving gunners, which I do all the time. I've been getting lucky on not getting suppressed too often, but I'd rather have the insurance

copper hawk
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How much will ur sanity withstand being staggered by Grox McShitmeister shooting you from across the map w pinpoint accuracy with Papa Nurgle's Shitslinger 9000 b4 u break

ornate bone
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I gitted gud at diving gunners with vet and psyker, but I still take TWBS because I feel every microsecond when I'm trying to rush a gunner and get staggered while trying to close the gap

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It also means nothing can interrupt you from killing that enemy

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Which means you kill it faster and get to another enemy faster

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You can just go in a straight line with no worries

lapis cave
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had no idea it was ranged too. Wonder if they're gonna fix it or update the tooltip.

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but thanks all, exactly the kind of info I was looking for

median steeple
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nope its been like that since release

ornate bone
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The time you spend doing zigzags and using cover is time you could've been spending dealing damage and killing the fucker earlier

median steeple
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its just another tooltip moment

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one of many

lament iron
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is thrust good on antax mk 5 combat axe?

north sedge
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Not really

coarse birch
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nah

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it would only be used for like a meme monstrosity damage build

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which isnt really what antax is best at

night cypress
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I hate to do this; but what are good blessings again for knives, got uncanny

sharp zodiac
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Uncanny

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Then your choice

frozen glen
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precog/executor/riposte

coarse birch
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precog

night cypress
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shut up

sharp zodiac
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That isn't lacerate

night cypress
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whoever said uncanny again

flat marsh
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Uncanny

daring hazel
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I made a bunch of heavy evic. I've never used one, and am fairly new to zelaot as it is.
What should I do to make the best weapon out of the bunch?

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sharp zodiac
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Oh:(

night cypress
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ok so the secon is just whatever

coarse birch
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just not a bleed blessing

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really

median steeple
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ok so take SS off the the third imo since the perks and stats arent great

night cypress
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how does haymaker function?

frozen glen
flat marsh
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I'm on riposte since I generally run crit builds

coarse birch
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ive heard its kind of a meme but some people use it

night cypress
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i'll try for riposte then

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Man i have so much crapite but no pissteel

sharp zodiac
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Pissteel

median steeple
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fuck my brain is working enough to come up with a joke about that

sharp zodiac
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Make brain work

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Harder

median steeple
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uuhhh

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piss

frozen glen
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sommeliers drinking a wine that they were told was 10$ but is actually 10000$

sharp zodiac
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Mind trick

night cypress
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fake story

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time to cancel culture you

median steeple
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I would lie

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to trick the into drinking i t

sharp zodiac
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Cancel my culture?

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But my culture's beautiful!

night cypress
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from france

sharp zodiac
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Where would we go

limpid pike
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hey question so for the first target hit modifer on thunder hammer

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does it apply for other weapons?

sharp zodiac
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Besides Quebec because no one wants to go

limpid pike
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or just the thunder hammer only?

frozen glen
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what

night cypress
sharp zodiac
limpid pike
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does the first target hit modifier trigger when not using your thunder hammer

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like if you caused damagr to a target in another way

sharp zodiac
frozen glen
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oh

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its only the thammer

night cypress
sharp zodiac
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And a lot of bricks

frozen glen
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the french are evil also there will never be an eiffel tower emoji

limpid pike
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ok so while the thunder hammer is equipped when doing chastise

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when ramming into enemies can that trigger it?

frozen glen
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it only applies when you hit enemies with the hammer itself

sharp zodiac
frozen glen
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u

rigid trellis
limpid pike
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ok because it seems like its triggering when not using the thunder hammer it self

gilded cairn
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How come I never seen a Zealot with the +2 wounds talent (having a total of 4 wounds), it's 10% hp and 2 free wounds.

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Is only all in with Martydom or no +2 free wounds.

sharp zodiac
median steeple
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because there is no reason to run wounds without martyr

sharp zodiac
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But fuck you

frozen glen
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i knew u were evil

median steeple
gilded cairn
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Bleed for the Emperor is not too bad, I shoulda seen at least 1 person with 4 wounds at this point.

north sedge
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You take those only if you're doing martydom

sharp zodiac
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You..gah forget it I'll just be making your point

median steeple
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again wounds arent worth it without martyr no matter what

fluid mason
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yerp

median steeple
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BFTE is nice but only for martyr builds

gilded cairn
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I don't ever use it without martydom but, how can we live in a world with veterans going full wound Curios but a zealot taking the free wounds just because is too much?

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Does not make any sense.

frozen glen
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well

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thats a vet problem

median steeple
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vets running wounds whatthefuck_heresy

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shameful ogryn_pathetic

sharp zodiac
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The only wounds they should be running are the ones from that Rager will attempt to give them

balmy chasm
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Well it's unfortunately not great, but it's functional?

gilded cairn
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It may have the power to blind your enemies.

sharp zodiac
balmy chasm
gilded cairn
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I see

balmy chasm
# gilded cairn I see

Looks great on my end, but as far as streaming it over discord or screen capping, beware ye eyes

lusty orbit
sharp zodiac
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This stupid french song won't fuck off it's now in my queue

Problem is it's an entire hour and I use this playlist to sleep

night cypress
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but i dont really so i dont

lusty orbit
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je suis le using cooler shuffle on playlists

frozen glen
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arent all ur songs french

median steeple
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you shouldn't really pick it unless you doing a martyr build

frozen glen
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i dont see the problem

median steeple
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french songs bang

sharp zodiac
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This one is too long

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I like em short and sweet

north sedge
sharp zodiac
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Then I listen to it and then I get stuck in a trance of it essentially being a bg music

frozen glen
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je suis francais comme un de baguette

coarse birch
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Tf song needs to be an hour long

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We listening to mf dream theater

lusty orbit
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if my individual tracks aren’t the length of titanic on the vhs i don’t want it

median steeple
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each song a movie

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each track an experience like no other

north cape
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Is the tigris mk 2 good?

sharp zodiac
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Welp I think it's time I hit the sack after grabbing a snack because....yeah idk where I'm going with this

sharp zodiac
median steeple
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augh i was too slow

night cypress
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goto sleep

sharp zodiac
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Alright

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But first I gotta tell someone gn

night cypress
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smh

coarse birch
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Like my entire playlist is an hour long

lusty orbit
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telling people gn? sounds yucky.

coarse birch
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Ok thats cap

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Also gn luna

lusty orbit
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every person got that
24hr playlist full of tracks they skip over

night cypress
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or my controller goes into sleep mode

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while using a mouse and keyboard

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how that works

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i dont know

coarse birch
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hey my playlist is 21 hours ill have you know

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almost 22

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with 313 songs

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i def dont skip over any of them

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ever

lusty orbit
median steeple
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to be a bog person not worrying about society

north sedge
median steeple
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one day but not today 😔

north sedge
naive star
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were those desired blessings? (atleast 1?)

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fleet zealot
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yee

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shred is alright

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perks are meh and shredder is low

naive star
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Don't quite understand those chainsword blessings, like what does Chained Hit mean

median steeple
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the beast is certainly shreddin

fleet zealot
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repeated hits

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without missing/stopping your swing combo

naive star
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Ok thanks makes sense now

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Guess ill save my hardearned few melk coins

fleet zealot
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yee chsword wants savage sweep+ rampage

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or shred+ one of the above for going a blazing piety build

heavy arch
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auric maelstrom last 2 misisons bugged af it plays like regular damnation

gilded cairn
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Does Inexorable Judgment bonus get's applied on the first hit that triggers it? Or only after you attacked to proc it

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The bonus damage to be exact.

fleet zealot
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after

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I believe

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not sure tho i don't play momentum a lot

north sedge
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It's after

gilded cairn
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I've been having a rought time with the Crucis hammer without thrust, good thrust on a good ironhelm and I don't wanna destroy it. The power attack with trust is better than crucis without it but, is still a bit lacking.

night cypress
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Bruh im so bored playing with randoms

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literal pick a mix of what happens

gilded cairn
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I was wondering if Judgment could solve the issue, it appears not. So I guess if I use the slug shotgun with momentum I can knock the enemy, proc momentum, go for a "back stab" and one shot him?

north sedge
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Depends on what you're fighting

gilded cairn
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Crusher?

north sedge
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But yes ranged will proc

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Dunno how shroud scales tbh, i don't use it

gilded cairn
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I kinda don't want to test in the meatgrinder, just do it live.

north sedge
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Or just take 5 seconds to test

gilded cairn
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Unless I can "power slide" get 3 charges of thrust and hit him in the back of the head while he is standing up.

fleet zealot
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crushers are notoriously stuck on 2hits minimum last I checked

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even with carapace elites on a crucis

gilded cairn
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Ohh, I did not try the fury charge, maybe with that?

delicate shadow
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you can one shot with an ult

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but that's true of a few weapons

balmy chasm
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What is "Shredder" on chain weapons/ heavy evis?

heavy arch
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the brrrrrrrrrrr part

delicate shadow
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it scales your sawing damage, so the damage an attack does when you're ripping into it with the blade as opposed to just whacking it

balmy chasm
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Ahh, thank you

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Wait, I also just discovered the "inspect" button

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🤦‍♂️

fleet zealot
delicate shadow
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lul it's no worries

heavy arch
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and stay out

gilded cairn
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I dislike how thrust and momentum "naturally" interact with each other, I keep losing my bonus before I use the powered attack and then I get the bonus damage after I wacked something.

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Well, back to martydom I guess.

north sedge
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err

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they work fine

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i play momentum hammer

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though i don't play shroud

gilded cairn
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It feels bad, I'm not generating movement charges when you know I'm charging my hammer and if I miss timing I hit the enemy with the powered up attack without the movementum extra damage.

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What's shroud?

north sedge
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were you not doing stealth hammer

gilded cairn
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No

north sedge
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oh

gilded cairn
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Nothing sneaky about a zealot with a thunderhammer.

north sedge
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you can generate stacks very easily if you dodge while swinging

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can also charge a swing while sliding

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or chastise if you use it

gilded cairn
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That's fine, the problem is getting to wack a target when your momentum is active.

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Every now and then I wack the target with the powered up attack + thrust 3 and the momentum buff is gone.

north sedge
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you generate new stacks while hte buff is active

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so it really shouldn't be off very much

gilded cairn
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Let me explain, momentum last for 8 seconds. Once it's gone the next time you apply it's going to have X number of stacks based on your actions, that's fine.

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The problem is getting "thrust 3" and the powered up attack is a time intensive ordeal, in the field you are going to try to execute those actions when you don't have enough active momentum and you are going to miss out the %damage from momentum on your powered up attack.

north sedge
#

thrust does not take that long to charge up

heavy arch
#

8 seconds is a lot of time

delicate shadow
#

I don't think I've ever encountered that issue

heavy arch
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usually takes less than 8 seconds to set up a good bonk

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i just press w though

delicate shadow
#

thrust stacks a lot faster than momentum is ever going to run out, unless you're somehow consistently charging up your attack at the extreme tail end of momentum's duration

gilded cairn
#

I do have a mod to see my bonuses on the middle of the screen and I use the HP mod, I'm trying to be quite mindful about the momentum and every now and then I see I get the big bonk without having momentum active.

heavy arch
#

did u kill it

gilded cairn
#

No, hence why I noticed.

delicate shadow
#

yea I mean it'll happen every now and then probably sure but it shouldn't be a consistent problem by any means

heavy arch
#

ah right on

gilded cairn
#

Not using the Crucis atm.

north sedge
#

there's no real difference between the two, unless you're like, trying to setup the overhead on the ironhelm i guess

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no difference in terms of thrusting an attack that is

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time wise

night cypress
#

Man i got a chainsword with rampage and savage sweep..

patent patrol
#

Curio question. I have the other 2 with 15% gunner resistance and both 5% health and toughness. Should I replace gunner res on the last one with toughness or leave it as it is? I wanted a dash of sniper resistance anyway but idk if running 2 resistances on one is ideal.

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this is martyrdom

ripe quest
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I use Duellist with my Thammer so Momentum wouldn't really ever drop while I'm trying to set up a Thrust swing.

ripe quest
patent patrol
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so you have more hp while corrupted or missing wounds?

ripe quest
#

I'd probably lean a bit more into the toughness on a TDR setup with Martyr but on standard Martyr it's fine.

patent patrol
#

Not gonna post my last curio since it's the exact same as this one but this is my curio stuff

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patent patrol
ripe quest
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Toughness Damage Reduction

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On Zealot you can stack it for high effective toughness.

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Last I checked you can get like 1200 effective toughness by stacking it with a load of the buffs up.

exotic portal
patent patrol
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I could try the toughness one but then I'd have to sacrifice points to run chorus. Less I go fury to save on points.

delicate shadow
#

zealot can get pretty well immortal so long as you don't do anything reckless like eat overheads for funsies

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(though that's true of every class rn tbh)

ripe quest
#

Also for Health vs Toughness curio perks I'd probably prefer Toughness but it's up to whether or not you like high effective health with Bleed for the Emperor or if you want to eat bullets a bit more. The impact of 5% is fairly low though so it's not a huge importance.

patent patrol
#

that's the thing

ripe quest
patent patrol
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and how to not sacrifice too many points.

patent patrol
ripe quest
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my reaction when

patent patrol
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sorry

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I only know MFW

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aka My Face When LMAO

delicate shadow
patent patrol
# ripe quest my reaction when

anyway I'm totally down to try that build but I'd need help properly allocating points for it. Martyrdom toughness immortality shenanigans I mean.

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If anyone wants to help me with it anyway.

void iron
#

When this shows up on your zealot

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patent patrol
visual stream
patent patrol
#

This worth anythin?

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exotic portal
patent patrol
wind dagger
#

y'all think i can salvage this

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surreal solstice
patent patrol
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Also is this shotgun worth picking up?

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visual stream
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I just love how those two got flung up like Jesse and James after approaching the door

surreal solstice
patent patrol
exotic portal
surreal solstice
# patent patrol This worth anythin?

Lacking a bit in shredder departament
I'd leave blessings be and either switch both perks to Carapace and Unyelding/flak
And if it's still in Milks inventory, wouldn't buy it.

patent patrol
surreal solstice
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Shotty look ok, I'd switch crit to flak and terryfying to no respite

patent patrol
surreal solstice
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It is quite good, yeah

patent patrol
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Btw anyone know what that toughness 'immortality' martyrdom build is?

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been tryin to find it

void iron
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"run his pockets"

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surreal solstice
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Not really
Been running marty myself but I'm hardly immortal
I guess it's a combination of crit tdr, dodge dr, passive tdr and shield of contempt
Personally i went for crit Marty with chastise

void iron
surreal solstice
#

sad dev strike noises

strange kestrel
strange kestrel
void iron
#

I love when brunt taunts you with a 380 that he pre bricked

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patent patrol
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Oh.

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OH.

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is it the ammo?

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wait no

void iron
patent patrol
#

the ammo is always low

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what is it

ocean jolt
#

Fire Frenzy is uhhhhhh

strange kestrel
#

T1 blessing and t2 perk

ocean jolt
#

UHhhhhhhhhhh

patent patrol
void iron
#

cause you can transcend it but you gotta pray the other two roll well enough to make up for the dog ass ones

patent patrol
strange kestrel
#

Its still salvageable just gotta get lucky with 2nd perk and blessing

void iron
strange kestrel
#

Gg

surreal solstice
#

Hadron being Hadron

void iron
#

For gits n shiggles imma max it out anyway on the slight hope that it gives me a good blessing to eat xd

surreal solstice
#

A sensible approach, actually

strange kestrel
#

Im gonna tell you something that might sound sacrilegious

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Use it

crisp plaza
strange kestrel
#

Its useable

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You get mileage out of dmg vs elites and the t1 fire frenzy aint bad

void iron
#

if last blessing is good enough, imma leave the elite dmg and replace the stam

strange kestrel
#

Replace stamina and 2nd blessing if its bad, if its a good blessing even better just replace fire frenzy for a better blesskng

surreal solstice
#

I mean, even white kant is stupid good

strange kestrel
#

Most people will tell you its a brick but its really not

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God tier base stats decent 1st perk good blessing for its tier

crisp plaza
strange kestrel
#

Weird

surreal solstice
#

Burning paper pellets

crisp plaza
#

Maybe because I’m on Xbox or something idk

strange kestrel
#

Why would that change anything

crisp plaza
#

Everything takes longer to die

strange kestrel
#

Its the same game

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Thats just you

crisp plaza
#

idk

exotic portal
trim kindle
#

I just spent 25 mins of my life preaching to random people on a difficulty 3 mission just for the hell of it, I think it worked cause they did basically all the work while I just followed and preached.

strange kestrel
#

Sounds about right for malice

trim kindle
#

Twas fun

strange kestrel
#

New bard meta

trim kindle
#

I saved the clip before hopping off lolol

surreal solstice
#

Finally
Actual zealot PREACHER

fading vale
#

is the class even called zealot preacher anymore

zealous basin
#

ladies and gentlemen

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i proudly announce

fading vale
#

oh boy

surreal solstice
fading vale
royal vortex
#

but theres 2 more like

crisp plaza
#

Ah shit

royal vortex
#

kinda-unnamed zealot "classes"

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right side is death cult assassin

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middle is idk

fading vale
#

so it's just zealot

royal vortex
#

yeah

fading vale
#

I'm still bothered by the fact that all the class channels have -class

trim kindle
#

ogryns are the reason

surreal solstice
#

Btw @fading vale
Is new laspeestol good for zealot?

fading vale
#

I think it's supposed to be alright but worse than old one

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but feels more like a gun

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and less spammy

surreal solstice
#

More of longer range thing?

celest cave
#

Less fire rate.

trim kindle
#

i just use shotguns or gunz

fading vale
#

and better gun feedback

trim kindle
#

occassionaly throw rocks but they're small rocks

royal vortex
#

it shoots faster if you ads

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god knows why

fading vale
#

the problem is the old laspistol still does a bajillion damage and loves crits, so naturally the one you can spam faster wins out

surreal solstice
#

Been wondering if I could switch to it from brauto

fading vale
#

and IIRC the new laspistol still sucks vs maniac

surreal solstice
#

Oh

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Well that's rather unfortunate

royal vortex
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which is why u take throwing knives with laspistol

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be based

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u know u wanna

surreal solstice
#

CONVINCED

fading vale
#

they shoulda made the new one good vs maniac

#

to give more distinction

surreal solstice
#

But it IS good against flak, right?

fading vale
#

yeah of course

surreal solstice
#

What blessings to go with, then?

fading vale
#

same ones

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dum dum

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raking fire or ghost

trim kindle
#

preachin clip almost uploaded, got loud moosik and its badly cropped but it works lmfao

surreal solstice
#

Aight

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Btw, ghost puts you in a dodge state, right?

trim kindle
#

Stealth makes enemies not target you at all

#

You can still be hit by enemy area attacks however

fading vale
#

doesn't ghost just make you immune to ranged attacks

trim kindle
#

Nop

surreal solstice
#

Ghost makes you stealth now?

trim kindle
#

Ghost doesn't give any immunities, enemies just don't target or see you and you gain a massive damage boost

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Unless u mean another thing by ghost

surreal solstice
#

I mean the blessing

celest cave
#

ghost is blessing.

trim kindle
#

Ahh thought you were talking about the talent my bad

celest cave
#

Shroud is ult.

void iron
trim kindle
#

Im still gonna blame @surreal solstice for this because why not

void iron
#

Unironically imma hold this for rn lmao

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surreal solstice
void iron
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Till I get a way better one n wanna give myself scatter4

fading vale
#

you should use no respite, not deathspitter

trim kindle
void iron
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so currently i cannot do that

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xd

fading vale
#

skissue

void iron
#

hadrissue

surreal solstice
#

@fading vale But yeah, does ghost procs dodge related talents?

fading vale
#

no I'm pretty sure it's just immunity to ranged attacks

surreal solstice
strange kestrel
surreal solstice
fading vale
#

it is a candidate for meme special spam kant

ripe quest
#

If they ever fix Flechette for the Kant's special shot it'd be a fun meme but it doesn't even do much on it

fading vale
#

it's ok on scab melee only for just spamming into lots of elites

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but yeah it's not amazing or anything

dense field
void iron
ripe quest
void iron
#

Who I gotta talk to in order to convince em to let us load 3 special shells at once smh

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3 cause that's my copium I know aint no damn way we get a whole thing of em thatd be nuts

crisp plaza
#

This is my kant but I haven’t changed anything

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For the person who asked earlier

void iron
void iron
frozen ibex
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Bruh crafting moment.

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inner crane
#

Anyone can confirm Thy Wrath Be Swift applies stun immunity from both enemy melee and ranged attacks despite the talent description says only stun immunity to melee attacks?

royal vortex
#

tooltip has been wrong since release

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fatshark loves lying

inner crane
#

damn it obese fish

void iron
patent patrol
void iron
inner crane
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shredder at 64%; must throw away

void iron
#

Shredder don't matter too much imo, as long as it's above 60% n the other stats are good enough you can usually one shot a crusher anyway

inner crane
#

Anyway, are there any other talents that have inaccurate descriptions? I know of Swift Certainty which applies always dodging only when diagonally running away from enemy attacks (?).

void iron
#

prolly xd

fading vale
# crisp plaza

yeah so you really want no respite over terrifying and flak over sprint

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no respite makes a massive difference

crisp plaza
#

I’ll give that a shot

fading vale
#

diagonally like you said

fading vale
#

and the special doesn't proc fire frenzy or deathspitter

ripe quest
#

Literally any damage blessing would net better damage for that

fading vale
#

I mean if you are hipfire special spamming none of the damage blessings do anything

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full bore doesn't work, FF/deathspitter don't work, and no respite only works if there's another stagger source

spark ember
crisp plaza
fading vale
#

also purge the unclean for unyielding mostly

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and I suppose clearing poxwalkers faster

ripe quest
fading vale
#

I'm not saying it's amazing or anything

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but it does do more damage to a few elites and lines up with the dot

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and often in scab melee only you are just spamming the special cause so many elites

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and you can F for crushers and flak and it also gets benefitted after you build up burn stacks

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I wouldn't run it in another mode though

ripe quest
#

The bleed wouldn't be nearly as good for that ult interaction as burn is.

fading vale
#

no, it's not but it's something

ripe quest
#

In practice the amount of enemies actively bled wouldn't compare to the amount burning.

fading vale
#

and I'm not suggesting it's the best setup for scab melee only, just that it kinda works

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I'd always prefer no respite + damage blessing for kant

crisp plaza
fading vale
#

also one of the big targets is bulwarks for special spam which is semi relevant when it comes to bleed damage

ripe quest
#

I mean, you could argue that any non-broken blessing kinda works. It's functionality is about half there but the value that it offers for the special shot based on how it performs without Flechette is small. The only way to fix it is to run a Manstopper/Flechette setup which is BP reliant and only 30% crit chance.

fading vale
#

does manstopper make the bleed apply to other things hit

ripe quest
#

Yee, makes Flechette work properly.

fading vale
#

weird

#

all I'm saying is it's not 0 value if you are playing a mode where you plan to spam the special the majority of the time

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and lower stability helps lol

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cause nothing else really buffs the special

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unless you are intentionally throwing a stun or building stacks of FF/deathspitter/full bore with the primary and then trying to align it with burn stack timing

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but that feels like more of a chore

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it would be nice if FF/DS procced off special kills though

patent patrol
#

I don't use enough shotguns so I only had No Respite 1 for now. I plan to hunt for higher tier no respites but idk how to do that. I know it's rng based but idk if there's a way to make it easier to get at least level 3 or somethin

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crisp plaza
#

Does it matter

fading vale
#

it doesn't matter

patent patrol
#

It's good with any

ember yew
steep flame
#

microwaves are the devils contraptions

patent patrol
#

There's guns that do specific things but the shotguns are about as basic as you can get in this game. It does everything. Hell, even long range isn't a problem for the shotgun somehow

#

Well to be fair in real life shotguns are really accurate but

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y'know

crisp plaza
#

Perfect thanks fellas

crisp plaza
patent patrol
# crisp plaza Perfect thanks fellas

I personally pair it with the thunder hammers. I personally prefer the ironhelm for the crowd control aspect but everyone considers it bad so. Anyway point is, it's just really good with anything

patent patrol
#

that is it.

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even if you only have tier 1.

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no respite is just that good

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lol

crisp plaza
#

Fuck I’m gonna have to gamble for it

polar nexus
ember yew
#

anyone remember the name of a mod that allows you to mark weapons, so its blocked from selling, etc

frozen ibex
patent patrol
patent patrol
fading vale
#

ironhelm isn't bad, it's just less hammery and more of a spam special thing

patent patrol
#

because every time I bring it up they're always like 'it's literally a worse crucis what're you doing'

fading vale
#

ironhelm is just a bit awkward cause the overhead

patent patrol
#

People always underestimatin me. At the end of the day, a thunder hammer is a thunder hammer

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sure, I may not do AS MUCH as Crucis

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but it's still a nuke on a stick

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LMAO

fading vale
#

I don't like it cause the special cleaves and that's not satisfying to me

#

I want to use weapons that I need to learn how to hit things with

patent patrol
#

or somethin?

#

Huh... did not know that.

crisp plaza
fading vale
#

yeah the ironhelm cleaves through trash mobs on special

patent patrol
ivory marlin
#

When do i lvl up from lvl 1 autism

frozen ibex
#

Q what do you mean. You can rebind key.

#

Isn't the default q button is weapon swap?

patent patrol
#

for example, charges my thunder hammer

frozen ibex
#

Well why would you call it Q?

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Nobody have it on Q probably.

patent patrol
#

I don't understand all these terms

frozen ibex
ivory marlin
#

I use scroll wheel

frozen ibex
ivory marlin
#

Cuz im a bitch

lusty orbit
#

i use 6

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wait 9

ivory marlin
#

Also my scroll wheel broke

patent patrol
#

I use Q for mine cause it's closer to my movement keys. Easier to tap

lusty orbit
#

6 is my tag/comm wheel

ivory marlin
#

So rn im actually using hotkeys

gilded cairn
patent patrol
#

or the number keys.

#

lets me swap to my gun, turn around, pop something and go back to what I was doing

gilded cairn
#

Do you use the special attack key more often than your swap key?

patent patrol
gilded cairn
#

Pardon me?

patent patrol
#

Yes in specific situations or missions, but often times I find myself swapping to the gun equally as much.

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just to pop something that's too far for me to close the gap without taking a bunch of damage in the process

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or if I have to stick with my team and snuff something out cause they're lingering. Which is very common.

#

mostly cause loot goblins (which I like)

gilded cairn
#

And you don't find an "offensive action" key using the same fingers you use for your movement to hamper your overall performance?

sterile stone
ivory marlin
#

Hi argus

sterile stone
#

Never forget Jelly

ivory marlin
#

Forget what?

patent patrol
gilded cairn
#

Fair enough.

patent patrol
# gilded cairn Fair enough.

I rarely find myself in situations where all 4 fingers are occupied at the same time anyway (because I use my thumb for spacebar, duh.)

timid mortar
#

I can't see where 'Chastise the Wicked' is.
(for the Have Faith penance)

  • Is this mean to be Fury Of the Faithful?
  • Or is this meant to be 'empty tree'?
fading vale
#

read the fury of the faithful description

timid mortar
fading vale
#

you can use it

timid mortar
royal vortex
#

lmao u dont even need the special activation on a crusher to open a bulwark shield (though it is faster)

#

if u have punishment and trauma/hammerblow stacks up u can do it in like one normal swing too

timid mortar
crisp plaza
#

The gunner accuracy is kinda ridiculous lol

timid mortar
#

Sad thing is - it's not meant to be your problem - Vet is supposed to deal with it.
I got shredded by carnivale-end-ampitheatre, while I was runnning Evis.

  • two vets were swinging next to me cos they wanted the action too 🙄
royal vortex
#

with punishment you have enough impact to do it with 1-2 heavies but its also just not really worth doing its just funny

crisp plaza
fading vale
#

everyone deals with everything

#

there aren't class roles

crisp plaza
#

I tried your shotgun suggestions btw

#

Very enjoyable

fading vale
#

cool

timid mortar
#

You play an alt. class, but forget your strats change: Vets running into center of horde.
People think they're still running their Mains.

olive raven
#

Vet can still do that lol

fading vale
#

psword go brrrr

ember yew
#

and then entire team doesnt deal with the gunners

fading vale
#

uh, press F on zealot, kill all the gunners yourself

timid mortar
#

kinda sounds like apologia for forgetting what class you switched to.

ember yew
#

theres situation where you cant when they shoot from different angles and places

royal vortex
#

surely you've played the game since patch 13 and know that the classes all have hugely different build options

ember yew
#

when its something like 3+3+4 and 25+ trash gunners

fading vale
#

ok then shoot them and run towards them

#

and then melee them

#

or psyker can void/assail/BB them

ember yew
fading vale
#

or ogryn can shoot them and dive them

ember yew
#

i remember a run with 3 psykers yesterday

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the best is one of them created shield and thats it

#

they didnt even bother

#

with gunners

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plebs job

fading vale
#

players being bad doesn't mean it's a vet problem

timid mortar
#

BB is slow.
When you're horde rushed with scab gunners from the elevated stands

royal vortex
#

ppl have dogshit target prio

ember yew
#

i dont think they are essentialy bad

#

but its what josho said

#

they think

royal vortex
#

if ur playin pubs u expect to do most of the work or u accept that runs are gonna wipe

ember yew
#

the next person will shoot the gunners

#

and the next person think its the next person

royal vortex
#

its not 1 specific mindset issue its just that ppl aren't all great at the game

ember yew
#

and you end up with BS

royal vortex
#

i promise u they aint thinkin that hard about it

fading vale
#

sure but point is everyone can kill everything, and should

#

I'm never gonna play and say, ok I'm gonna focus on this 1 thing

royal vortex
#

its also like

#

90% of gunner spots are reachable by the player

median zenith
#

the secret sauce is thy wrath be swift for zealot if youre going to run at gunners

royal vortex
#

if you're getting shot from weird angles you can just go a different route and walk up to them and then kill them

ember yew
royal vortex
#

and the other ones you can't reach you can always just los

ember yew
#

when its 30+ of them

#

you are gonna die

royal vortex
#

when its 30+ of them they're in a patrol and you should've already been in melee range

ember yew
#

be realistic

royal vortex
#

unless you were a dumbass who aggro'd them from 30 meters away

#

in which case you get exactly what you deserve

frank night
#

30-50 feral hogs

royal vortex
#

i promise u its completely possible to annihilate ranged elites

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ember yew
#

like mercantile

royal vortex
#

wh

lean lark
#

you die to 30+ gunners

#

i die to 1 renegade grunt while solo clutching

#

we're not the same

royal vortex
#

mercantile has

#

exactly 1 area right before the brewery with long LOS

lean lark
#

the only "open space" in mercanitle is before brewery

#

and even then

royal vortex
#

but you can also just go right and dive them from there

lean lark
#

that's a stretch

ember yew
#

technically

lean lark
#

everything there is in chastise range

royal vortex
#

or go left because gunners will sit and shoot a wall and you can maneuever around them

#

or literally just sprint slide into them with twbs

timid mortar
lean lark
#

or diagonal dodge making advantage of the 60° angle ranged immunity

#

on top of slide dodging

#

so you literally dont get hit once

royal vortex
#

mercantile otherwise does not have long unmitigated sightlines

lean lark
fading vale
#

I feel like the only time I've worried about gunners since patch 13 is on oubliette

ember yew
#

another issue that i noticed

royal vortex
#

the final corner..? the end event?

lean lark
#

why would you rush all the way back from where you came from to kill 2-3 gunners

ember yew
#

when i deal with horde of gunners

lean lark
#

making more things spawn infront of you

royal vortex
#

that's a positioning problem lmfao. you get exactly what you bargain for if you hold by the entrance

ember yew
#

randoms most of the time still dont look at them even if they (gunners) are shooting at them

#

so they start dropping

royal vortex
#

you can very easily stay on top of gunner spawns by just killing them before they all sit at the top

timid mortar
#

Elevated..

royal vortex
#

and you can literally just

#

walk up to them

#

this is wholly a you issue

fading vale
#

just run up the stairs and kill them

ember yew
#

so again its not a problem when they are in one place

olive raven
#

Gunners are easy

royal vortex
#

completely preventable

olive raven
#

Run, hit, repeat

ember yew
#

but not when they all over the place

lean lark
#

gunners are not a problem

#

that's it

#

if you cant handle them you cant handle them, if you can you can

ember yew
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but we dont blame gunners

royal vortex
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legitimately like, you bring a gun with good stagger/suppression

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if you particularly have trouble with them

ember yew
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dont forget the discussion started about people ignoring gunners

timid mortar
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Does no one remember where the team positions on the final-stand?!

ember yew
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and they started to stack up

royal vortex
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yeah, i do, because im running around the entire map on that end event

fading vale
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you run around the bottom and go up top as needed

lean lark
royal vortex
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i have no sympathy if you play like a bitch and hide at the entrance

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that's your fault

lean lark
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i go back and forth between the two gates

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and kill everything in that path

royal vortex
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you can convince pub players to run out and kill stuff most of the time

lean lark
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now if they hold out at that entrance and get netted

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its their fault

royal vortex
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what you've said so far is you have a positioning issue and refuse to adapt to solve a problem

lean lark
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they had the advantageous positioning

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if they still lost that position

royal vortex
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which is not the same as gunners being particularly threatening and requiring someone else to deal with it

lean lark
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its not my problem

ember yew
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isnt the end of mercantile the easiest part if they just stand at the entrance

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so the specials dont spawn behind them

timid mortar
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Everyone's Neo when they're defending their play - in their head.

fading vale
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not to mention we also have guns that also absolutely delete gunners

ember yew
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like just sitting there smoking a sigar

royal vortex
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i mean like

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i have a solo clutch with this exact situation

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you do roughly the same thing on zealot, kite and move around and kill