zealot-class

[fading vale]

coherency is standing near teammates, flat rate of toughness regeneration, but it gets disabled near enemies and if you get hit by anything

and scales by number of teammates

[jaunty karma]

ok

[fading vale]

the radius is 8m now I think

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-himym-barney-stinson-neil-patrick-harris-challenge-accepted-gif-4594551

well

it is usable at least

could be worse

[jaunty karma]

So I should get second wind then to get more toughness consistency or should I gun for a new ability cause I VERY much hate the dash ability I have atm. It does not feel good to play with

[olive raven]

Yea it is

[craggy maple]

Try not to just rely on only one weapon. Every weapon has a weakness

Except combat knife

Combat knife can do it all.

[olive raven]

Second wind is one of like 3-4 S-Tier talents

So yes

[sand lance]

Yep, and the number tells you how many of you guys are in Coherency:

[lusty orbit]

combat knife didn’t get my parents back together😢

[fading vale]

do not listen to the knife nonsense

[olive raven]

Second Wind, TWBS, Until Death/Holy Revenant are like

Top 3 goated talents

[craggy maple]

But definitely do use your other weapons (Melee weapon, grenades, push, blocks, etc)

[jaunty karma]

yeah I was gonna use grenade/flamethrower for hoard clearing and some kind of melee weapon for single target damage

[craggy maple]

dodges. etc etc

[fading vale]

the dash is one of the best abilities in the game, you just need some more experience and learning how zealot fights

[olive raven]

Flamer is great for horde clear, immolation is more for mixed hordes or CC.

[craggy maple]

Aye, your flamer will do junk damage against crushers/bulwarks, monstrosities.

[olive raven]

unless you chastise

[craggy maple]

^

[olive raven]

if you chastise, it shits out damage

[jaunty karma]

chastise?

[craggy maple]

ability

[olive raven]

Dash

[lusty orbit]

the wicked

[fading vale]

well, chastise only effects crushers

bulwarks just need to be staggered

[olive raven]

Ya

[sand lance]

I... don't think Coherency Regen is disabled when Enemies are nearby? It's just very slow (in comparison to how much Toughness damage you eat) when you're balls-deep in a Horde.

I know the only Toughness Regen that works like how you said is the Vet Talent that lets you Regen Toughness when there's no enemies within 8m of you

[fading vale]

within 3m of an enemy it is disabled

[olive raven]

It is disabled within 3m

Specifically enemies that take a melee slot in that weird ass system

[jaunty karma]

yeah I just hate the dash, it feels counter intuitive to how I just play naturally

[olive raven]

Easier to say off within 3m of enemy tho

[olive raven]

You’ll grow to love it dw

Getting half your toughness back is huge

[fading vale]

I was also more focused on killing stuff at range when I first started

[olive raven]

I hated it at first as well, then discovered it’s the greatest movement ability ever

[sand lance]

700 hours of Darktide and this is the first time I've heard of Coherency turning off the moment a mob gets within 3m of you.

[fading vale]

but you'll learn to melee face dive stuff over time

[olive raven]

Yea you literally won’t regen toughness, it’s why EWEW exists

[dense field]

What's not to like?

[lusty orbit]

all of zealot’s abilities are very cute

[calm salmon]

when did fatshark make it so that coherency regen didn't work in melee range?

[olive raven]

It is sorta janky feeling at first tbh

[autumn vector]

If you like shooting things you should try vet, Zealot is very much so about melee. This is not to say that you cant do both with either. Tbh every class will melee a lot in darktide.

[lusty orbit]

except loner aura. that’s like, not cute.

[calm salmon]

patch 13?

[ornate bone]

The dash lock is a bit weird tbh

[calm salmon]

Cause EWEW+Passive Regen is how we evaluated it beforehand

[ornate bone]

But it's honestly the best zealot ability

Hit F and solve 12 different problems

[fading vale]

I don't know when it was, could have been patch 13 but not sure

[olive raven]

Probably patch 13 but hey it’s this way now so

[sand lance]

Right? That's what I thought.

I always thought EWEW was extra Toughness Regen since Zealot wants to get stuck-in at Melee range, so EWEW lets them stay knee-deep in Heretics for longer.

[dense field]

I guess it can be. Until you learn to aim it properly at least 🤷

[jaunty karma]

yeah I just started out so I wasn't sure if weapons were class locked or not. And when I was doing research I only saw Zealot got the heavy flamer, so that's why I went for it

[ember yew]

get sustain, get damage boost, run away from dangerous situation, run to the downed teammates, stagger ragers or whatever you want to

[calm salmon]

I just know I have to shove+backdodge as ogryn now to proc toughness regen

[jaunty karma]

or anytime flamer was mentioned Zealot was with it

[calm salmon]

which is whatever

[ember yew]

and instacd, and dat ranged boost

[calm salmon]

slaughterer does funny things to bull butcher shoves

[olive raven]

Nah but dw, zealot is a fun af class. Takes a bit of time to pick up mechanics but some basics are

1. Melee most of the time
2. Use ranged to handle gunners, ragers, crushers if needed.
3. Dodge.

That’s like

[autumn vector]

Yea zealot gets the flamer but I hope you are wrong about it being a "Heavy" flamer. Hoping ogryn gets a giant flamer one day that can be called heavy flamer.

[olive raven]

Basics of Darktide in general, Zealot will teach you the fundamentals very well

[fading vale]

flamer is a good weapon and will get a lot better at higher level

[jaunty karma]

I just wanted a flamethrower lol

[ember yew]

if you have played vermintide, zealot if the best class to start

close the classic experience

[jaunty karma]

knew nothing else about the game other then the type of game it is

[olive raven]

Ya flamer is pre decent

[craggy maple]

Aye, the experience of PURGING THE HERETICS.

[olive raven]

Easy to build, easy to use

[steady valley]

is mercy killer worth having on the knife?

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-saltzpyre-nod-gif-24596871

[jaunty karma]

I played maybe like, 1 mission of Vermintide

[olive raven]

Not rlly

Executor, Precog, Riposte, Backstab are all better

[fading vale]

against precog or executor, mercy killer isn't great

[steady valley]

alr thanks

[fading vale]

uncanny is the required blessing

[olive raven]

Yea it’s uncanny + any listed by Laz & I

Uncanny is just goated

[fading vale]

don't run backstab + uncanny though

[steady valley]

im running uncanny and executor rn wonder if it works

[fading vale]

yeah it should

[olive raven]

Quite well

Just got patched to work properly

[steady valley]

alr bet, no need for bleed?

[olive raven]

You get bleed from Scourge 🫡

[calm salmon]

Zealot best class for learning gameplay fundamentals right now and you can't change my mind

1. Veteran's skill floor is uh. . . fairly high all things considered, and so is Psyker but in different ways. While this is good long term because it forces players to overcome that particular difficulty cliff it can be offputting as a new player experience.

2. Ogryn is so blatantly overpowered that people won't actually learn anything about the game and it will actively harm their ability to play other classes.

That is all.

[fading vale]

not really but if you want to play around with bleed then uncanny + flesh tearer

[autumn vector]

Exactly this, rending buffs bleed damage

[olive raven]

Vets skill floor ain’t high tbh, it’s COD simulator.

[steady valley]

alr bet i guess im set on both

[autumn vector]

but that doesn't mean you should do bleed knife

but if you have to

yuou do that

[calm salmon]

You say that

[olive raven]

I do say that

[calm salmon]

and then watch people get plastered by poxwalkers

[olive raven]

Vet just sucks to level

That’s all

[autumn vector]

VoC

[olive raven]

Once Vet is level 30 it’s easy

[autumn vector]

probably makes vet leveling

way better

[fading vale]

I mean vets just don't learn to melee so they get clobbered

[olive raven]

Yes. Yes it does.

[median steeple]

hmmm so full VoC voicelines

[fading vale]

same with psykers

[olive raven]

You play Vet like a knifer during gun game

Psyker def has the highest skill floor, simply due to more moving parts in the kit

[autumn vector]

psyker not knowing how to melee confuse the shit out of me considering how incredible some of the psyker melee weapons are

im still boggled a bit that that d4 didnt get nerfed last patch

[calm salmon]

Deimos, Illisi, Dueling Sword, Rashad, Antax

[autumn vector]

i was expecting it

[calm salmon]

are all nuts in their own right.

[olive raven]

Oh yea the Illisi, Deimos and Ds4 are fucking broken

[lusty orbit]

vet has a high skill ceiling because the melee key is hard to find

[fading vale]

playing zealot to start with is probably the best way to learn how the game works

[calm salmon]

^

Which was my overall point.

[olive raven]

And psyker can shit out crit

[sand lance]

I remember when Obscurus was the only Force Sword, now it's superseded by Deimos and Illisi 😔

Luv me Deimos and Illisi tho

[calm salmon]

You get safety nets in the tree to keep from being clobbered immediately

and have decent power

[olive raven]

Ya I didn’t disagree, I just don’t think vet has a high skill floor

[calm salmon]

but you're still forced to interact with gameplay mechanics like effective dodges and when to use different attacks/when to use gun or melee

[autumn vector]

I play ogryn alot more now because its overpowered but I cant argue with zealot teaching you the basics

[calm salmon]

But there's enough training wheels that its not overtly punishing.

[olive raven]

Pointy stick 1 tap everything, makes sense

[calm salmon]

Vet and Psyker don't have training wheels until you can actually understand what the trees are asking of you, and two of vet's builds are fairly dangerous in melee

[sand lance]

'Fairly dangerous' to who?

[median steeple]

the user

[calm salmon]

Again, this is a statement colored by hundreds of hours of experience.

[olive raven]

Tbh melee vet shits out damage

[calm salmon]

"I'm good at melee, so vet is good"

is not exactly a low skill floor

[olive raven]

Puri rlly trying to pull the Dawn card

[autumn vector]

toughness regen inside the psyker bubble can probably heal you through nearly anything if you can stay inside of it

[ornate bone]

The iron will vet getting 8.5% toughness back while melting the horde with a power sword

[fading vale]

psword 6 go brrr

[median steeple]

weapon spec out here being king again (I hate it)

[calm salmon]

[ornate bone]

Iron will has no right existing

[median steeple]

GRAAAAH WHAT THE FUCK I HATE IT

[olive raven]

Nah when I started playing Vet I was dog ass cuz it’s just figuring out that you grab an IAG and have fun

[median steeple]

Dumbass keystone

[ornate bone]

The bitches and hoes ain't nothing but snitches and foes

[autumn vector]

Voc Ironwill is absurd

[calm salmon]

Ironwill isn't even busted

its VoC that is

[naive star]

My Mk9 Heavy Sword with Deathblow is pretty amazing clearing hordes, but really struggles with bigger armored fpes, any tips on that? Now i just use F to Fury rush which causes me to penetrate armor for few seconds so i assault rifle heavy stuff down.

[fading vale]

the plasma cleave is just so silly

[calm salmon]

VoC needs a complete overhaul to how it functions.

[naive star]

I mostly just spam light sword hits but doing special or heavy on armored stuff is still slow

[calm salmon]

Do that and Iron Will just becomes the training wheels it was meant to be

[median steeple]

plasmas two moods is dog shit and overpowered silliness

no in-between

[olive raven]

Use F, hit weak point. It’ll deal take 50% off a crusher.

If no F, just do Special-> Heavy

They will be bullied

[autumn vector]

Getting rid of the constant regen it provides and just making it give flat toughness might help even it out some

[fading vale]

should only struggle vs crushers, but you can loop special into overhead and kill crushers albeit it's a bit slow

[olive raven]

It’ll take a second to kill it but it won’t hurt you

[fading vale]

and don't hit mauler heads of course

[olive raven]

Yea hit mauler body

[sand lance]

Just felt the urge to ask for clarification, if jokingly.

Probably because I consider myself a Vet Main but I never felt Vet was particularly bad at doing damage in Melee, just that Vet doesn't have a lot of safety nets for survivability if you mess up and walk into a Crusher overhead.

[olive raven]

More damage

[naive star]

Yeah Crushers are the ones it just dings off from with negligble damage, if i got F up, its unload assault rifle magazine time for me

[olive raven]

Aight so uh

It’s not really negligible

It’s like

300-400 per hit?

[calm salmon]

Oh yeah, this was the kit I used.

[olive raven]

I think

[calm salmon]

Yeah, my point is not at all that vet is bad.

The exact opposite, even.

But he requires you to actually be good at the game first.

[olive raven]

I just recommend aim for weak point and Special->H1

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kinger-the-amazing-digital-circus-king-innsane-crazy-gif-740393961967854377

[calm salmon]

You can't just faceroll keyboard and win like you can on ogryn.

[olive raven]

I mean

[median steeple]

fucking knife as well

[calm salmon]

Or zealot, to an extent.

[median steeple]

its so joever

[olive raven]

There’s a difference between Ogryn dumbass shit

[naive star]

Gotta try the special+heavy loop, thanks

[olive raven]

And Vet still having a low skill floor

[autumn vector]

Probably one of my favorite talents in the whole game. Yea there are stronger ones but constanlty having 25% extra damage for playing the game is great .

[olive raven]

Just cause Ogryn is so easy that a premature baby could it doesn’t mean other stuff is suddenly a high skill floor

Puri less words

[fading vale]

meanwhile pub ogryns living on the floor

[olive raven]

Please god

[olive raven]

Listen

If they actually have

0 brain

And run multiple wounds and Hp

Not my issue

That’s genuine skissue

[fading vale]

indeed

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ameba-gif-23639387

average og pub teammate

[olive raven]

Any Ogryn with a non-garbage build

Is just by default

[median steeple]

single celled organisms

[autumn vector]

I blame youtube. If I see one more video telling ogryns to take wound talents curio I might actually make a shity youtube channel just to explain why its a terrible idea.

[olive raven]

Absurdly powerful

[sand lance]

Fair enough, yeah. I just cut my teeth up to regular Damnation on pre-Patch 13 Vet so I either had to git gud or quit, so I don't really feel confident in saying how easy it is to learn the other Classes.

[olive raven]

Same lmao

PURI TOO MANY WORDS

[calm salmon]

Yeah but vet's skill floor isn't.

I try really hard to aim and I still only manage a ~10% headshot rate so that kills marksman's focus as a design philosophy for me.

Ping keystone is braindead. Ping something, get 8x1.5 damage stack. The actual damage stacks applied by the ping are irrelevant as long as you're keeping up the free 12% damage stack.

Weapon Swap keystone is also fairly braindead, but there's some work in understanding what weapons work best with it and how to maximize its usefulness at all times.

The rest of the tree is basically just vet betting on ironwill/confirmed kill/exhi takedown to not die. Voice of Command just makes this even more memey, but between those spurts of invulnerability you need to know how to minimize damage taken to keep Iron Will up as long as possible and this is what really trips people and raises the skill floor IMO.

[olive raven]

I’m not reading an essay man

[vale carbon]

why multiple wounds for ogryns?

[olive raven]

NEVER

NO NO

[calm salmon]

Its even formatted. How dare you

[olive raven]

Dude I’m on vacation I ain’t reading essays

[median steeple]

more than 2 word

brian hur

[olive raven]

Three sentence or

Less

Type like me

[calm salmon]

okay saitama

[olive raven]

Much more digestible

[vale carbon]

imo aren't wounds only ever useful for martyrdom, and having more than 2 wounds?

[olive raven]

Correct.

[calm salmon]

psyker can get away with 1

just cause of perils of the warp

misclicks happen

[olive raven]

As training wheels*

[calm salmon]

having a free one is fine

[latent python]

Wound Ogryn is Meta, fools

[vale carbon]

i'm addicted to tough/health/stam on psyker

[olive raven]

One wound when you are first starting on psyker is fine tbh

But

[cobalt harness]

I play martyrdom on every class

[median steeple]

also you dont really need wounds if you run another training wheel that is shriek since you can save yourself

[olive raven]

You only need wounds on martyr

Everything else is Toughness to the max

Maybe a stamina for Vet

[autumn vector]

Not sure what psyker is doing most the time but imo +3 Stam > 1 wound pysker

[vale carbon]

wounds just segment your health into more divisions right?

[calm salmon]

I'll be honest. I hate everything about that kit. Its hard to say its bad, but the actual amount of effort I need to apply to remain useful is fucking insane. I hate it. I just want my chainsword back but I'm forcing myself to use it to git gud at melee.

[fading vale]

1 stam on vet or psyker isn't bad

[frozen glen]

get 9 stam on zealot so u can spam crusher push attacks

[calm salmon]

Can't just faceroll hordes 24/7 with blatantly overpowered weapons and call myself good.

[autumn vector]

but im a shity gun wizard so what do I know

[calm salmon]

Yes.

[olive raven]

It gives you that extra down

[calm salmon]

They let you go down more often.

Granted, going down in auric is kind of a pain

[olive raven]

yea, I just don’t run it on psyker cuz the stamina regen is fuckin nutty

[vale carbon]

not just not bad on psyker, it's pretty good with their small pool, high recharge stamina

[olive raven]

And ds4 moves so quick

[calm salmon]

cause it can be really hard to pick someone up cause the director just doesn't care

4 bombers bombing your dying body

always fun

[vale carbon]

i once saw a 3 stam curio ogryn

he had the shield at least

[frozen glen]

it's so you can block 500 sniper shots with shield

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/2-pixel-sad-moxie-gif-7814315665172989526

[vale carbon]

i thought snipers pen the shield?

[fading vale]

and let the sniper hit your teammates behind you

[median steeple]

so true

[calm salmon]

snipers pen the shield to teammates behind you

but not damage you

its an infuriating mechanic

[sand lance]

All the Flamers and Bombers within a 100m radius of your dying ass covering you in fire the moment you go down

[calm salmon]

Yeah. Its not great.

[vale carbon]

i assume they were planning to taunt everything and then block

[calm salmon]

That said, I don't mind seeing psykers with an extra wound in damnation.

I get it.

[vale carbon]

yeah it's rough

[calm salmon]

Misclicks happen and sometimes you just gotta jihad the bad spikeys

[frozen glen]

I once had 2 chorus zealots regen my toughness while I revived someone in fire

[latent python]

“Bomber reportin’!”

[frozen glen]

that was funny

[sand lance]

Yeah, sometimes you just forget to mind Perils of the Warp because OHFUCKRAGERSFUCK

[calm salmon]

Its the only class where I'll argue for +1 wound regardless of player skill level.

Everyone else can fuck off though.

[calm salmon]

Git gud

and don't die

simple as

[median steeple]

classic meme

[polar nexus]

That's chad.

[olive raven]

I want more flamers and ogryns

[autumn vector]

doesnt help that ragers seem to run right past me on zealot or ogryn just to home in on the psyker in the back of the grp

[olive raven]

I want broken fire

[median steeple]

fucking christ thats old

[autumn vector]

its like clock work

[olive raven]

I want less ogryns

[sand lance]

Yeeeeeep. At that point I just try to shoot them before they mob the Psyker.

[vale carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-tf2-kitty0706-chaos-insane-gif-22820282

[calm salmon]

They're already, statistically speaking, the least played class.

What more do you want.

[olive raven]

I want pre-fix fire back

[olive raven]

0

[autumn vector]

hater

[olive raven]

Yes

[calm salmon]

Which is amazing, considering that ogryn is probably the best class in the game atm for pub play.

Sure, if you wanna do true solos, go fuck around with vet.

[sand lance]

Too many Pubs with PTSD from Ogryns body-blocking their shots

[calm salmon]

But ogryn's training wheels are the size of Mars.

[fading vale]

"making a path" is like a trigger phrase for me

[olive raven]

Yea lmao

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1189013522278002708/Santa_army.mp4?ex=659c9e22&is=658a2922&hm=859aba9a3b38c6461bbeb62f825d86f17e0fcdeceb149603874ab7e658d3ef1a&

[fading vale]

fucking ogryns knocking down dumb shit at the wrong time

[median steeple]

fucking secret agent codeword

[calm salmon]

Does it make you feel less pain knowing I kill all the enemies I knocked over instead of ignoring them?

[vale carbon]

STOMPING SNIVELERS!

[olive raven]

Me with full surgical stacks about to shoot the plogryn as an Ogryn moves directly in front of me

[lusty orbit]

snivellers! the lot of ya!

[vale carbon]

anyway, i ended up grinding 3 wounds curios for martyrdom, all with health toughness perks
should i work for idk, 2 toughness 1 health all with health/toughness perks?

[calm salmon]

shrimply a krill issue

[fading vale]

it's bulwark PTSD, the second I'm about to hammer them.... MAKING A PATH

[calm salmon]

simple as

[calm salmon]

sorry shouty

[olive raven]

No.

[lusty orbit]

don’t be sorry it’ll be funny

[sand lance]

I'm not sure if I'm hallucinating but if I have Exec Stance on (and the target's tagged), I just keep shooting through the Ogryn until whatever I was shooting is dead

[calm salmon]

weapons with 2.1 cleave or more shoot through teammates

[mystic ether]

Sometimes that shit gets ignored and you get it lol

[autumn vector]

I dont mind shields when use properly but one of the things I dislike is the random ogryn who just plops his shield down mid choke point like they are doing something other than not helping anyone.

[fading vale]

yeah 2 toughness 1 HP is good for other builds

[olive raven]

Me watching the same Ogryn leave and rejoin 5 times as I’m clutching against a chaos spawn, crusher pack, rager pack and two hordes

[sand lance]

I'm talking my Kantrael MG Ia specifically, not sure if that has 2.1 Cleave

[olive raven]

2x tough, 1x HP or 3x Tough is good

[mystic ether]

It's nice when the slab ogryns are running the block taunt talent. Just forces shooters that aren't gunners into melee.

[sand lance]

I know the OG Zarona Revolver shoots through Teammates, as does the Bolter

[latent python]

Whats wrong? Getting aggro

[mystic ether]

which is ridiculous that that's how it works lol

[vale carbon]

doesn't zealot get lots of toughness replinishment?

[mystic ether]

From their horde dmg output usually yes.

[calm salmon]

kind of

[mystic ether]

unless they're straight running the dodge toughness one.

[calm salmon]

mostly its on dodge

[fading vale]

and second wind

[sand lance]

I ain't complaining. Those Dreg Gunner packs get brutal on Auric Damnation and the Slab Shield Aggro trick works wonders

[calm salmon]

and chastise

[autumn vector]

yea on like three poxwalkers that they could just one shot with a heavy

[calm salmon]

The dodge return toughness is hilarious

too bad the pathing sucks ass

[autumn vector]

it has seemingly no cd

i thought it had a cd

b ut it does in fact

seem to to not have a cd

[mystic ether]

Yeah, before I got rid of mine I'd just say fuck it and run slab and whatever the dump nade launcher was.

[balmy lantern]

they can just spam heavy to kill everything and occasionally push for aggro and contribute 10 times more

[mystic ether]

"I am no longer asking for an auric 5 clear. Move, we're getting it"

[olive raven]

Yes

[sand lance]

Rumbler, Kickback is the single-shot 4 Gauge shotgun grenade launcher look-alike

[mystic ether]

And then actually playing shield ogryn like something made to just force team pushing.

[calm salmon]

0.00006 gauge

btw

its a ~140mm shell

[fading vale]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/13Xv5fnk_q8i0h/d1337JWgpbeC?invite=cr-MSxZNDIsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[autumn vector]

I want double barrel shotgun so I can roleplay as ogryn on my zealot but I fucking refuse to use a knife so ima use crusher and pretend its a club

[mystic ether]

Instead of what I'm usually seeing with some pub ogryn running slab and they just would never have it click in their head that they can literally walk into fire zones and force entire squads to come to them.

[vale carbon]

and unrelated but a glugger build with the rumbler is fun as hell
but hot damn are you starving for ammo

[mystic ether]

Like the shooters specifically.

[sand lance]

Bro, we're firing canister shot used by modern-day MBTs at Heretics. That's fucking metal.

[autumn vector]

Yea that. That is it right there. Exactly that.

[latent python]

Alt fire?

[vale carbon]

i ran one once with 2 psykers and i was still hungry

[fading vale]

Josho just runs ahead and eats all of the ammo himself....

[mystic ether]

no just walking with your block up.

Much more efficient.

[calm salmon]

Rumbler is ass these days

[mystic ether]

you don't need to do all that.

[calm salmon]

The fuckin ammo count is pain

[fading vale]

when did rumbler become ass, in patch 13 it was silly

[olive raven]

Gunlugger is a parasite feeding off Survivalist vet

[mystic ether]

More like an autogunner with their trusty ammo monkey

[calm salmon]

When fatshark made bosses more resistant to explosions, along with the crusher HP buffs

oh

and the rending change

so shattering impact sucks now

Better to just go adhesive+ba

[autumn vector]

Fuck my pugs ima take all the ammo anyway, their sub 20 specail kill numbers at the end of the match are just going to piss of off anyway if i give them ammo

[fading vale]

yeah I guess needing 4 shots for shattering is pretty ass

[autumn vector]

least if I take all thea mmo I can be like

[median steeple]

he saved you from the massive threat that was checks notes one single shooter

[calm salmon]

Like, it was funny in patch 13, but the more you use it, the more you realize that 25 ammo is just outright not enough for the game

[autumn vector]

they couldnt kill anything cause I had all the ammo

[calm salmon]

also the elite/special spawn buffs

when you can't reliably oneshot an enemy with 25 ammo

[vale carbon]

i have a build that's mostly melee, but i have the ammo stash and explosion size talents and it works with the rumbler. sometimes i just need to dislodge a few shooters.

[calm salmon]

the gun becomes largely pointless

as the last thing anyone needs on any class is a gun for hordes

[vale carbon]

and adhesive charge gives a 4x damage boost to things it sticks, right?

[calm salmon]

no

it just sticks to bosses and ogryns

[autumn vector]

adehesive charge should be a baseline effect for headshots on every mob, shouldn't even be a blessing

with rumbler*

[vale carbon]

i've been told it ends up dealing more damage. possibly because it's blast damage is calced based on distance from origin, so since it's in the enemy it deals full damage

[fading vale]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/11UdMDK-znSANQ/d1337g3ifysn?invite=cr-MSw3VncsMTczOTM4NDQ3LA

[autumn vector]

Im hoping that FS learned nothing with kickback and that with thugshot drops one faithful day it will be a busted as fuck

[calm salmon]

correct. Rumbler does maximum damage between 0 and 2 meters

from there it bleeds off damage out to uh

9 meters

[vale carbon]

i've been using it and it would chunk boss health bars

[calm salmon]

and staggers enemies out to like 18 meters with blaze away

[fading vale]

rending does buff the falloff which is one of the reason it got good

[median steeple]

this is peak ogryn gameplay

[calm salmon]

the fact that blaze away doesn't buff the epicenter on the rumbler makes me cry

[fading vale]

harden's shield clips are so good

[calm salmon]

a huge missed opportunity

[autumn vector]

I like how you clipped a second time because he kept blocking for so long and because at this point you were likely suffering from mild brain damage

[fading vale]

lemme find more lol

[mystic ether]

Genuine question: what's a solid move for this thing running shroudfield? Setting up a couple of th's for either shroudfield nonsense or just generalist melee for damnation and eventually aurics.

[vale carbon]

what thing

[mystic ether]

ignore the blue

[latent python]

Stop shaming SlabGryns!

[mystic ether]

Just took the shot because

[latent python]

They mean well

[mystic ether]

Prefer the crucis 2 for ease of use

even though the 4 is more entertaining. Sort of like a janked halberd.

for the combo pathing possibilities.

zero clue if thunderstrike is something I'll use for anything that isn't some frontline hard cc thing

[vale carbon]

i think thunderstrike is the poopoo

[mystic ether]

It's been nice to have when I can't set up a backbonk with the extra crowd control but I just started using these. Don't have a collection of blessings for the weapon class yet.

Been palying with leveling friends too for the last week or so so I've just been in sedition to hi int malice. nothing necessarily difficult to me but new people are new so that's a lot for them.

Mainly figuring out my zealot spread before I stop playing and go psyker next. I need it.

lol

[autumn vector]

Start buying green hammers and rolling them once

[olive raven]

I just saw someone

Fucking

Boil steak in monster energy

Somehow looks more appetizing than Stan’s cooking

[mystic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-blank-stare-stare-anime-mio-naganohara-gif-24979431

Humanity will go beyond itself to gain power.

[lusty orbit]

ork meat lessgo!!!

[fading vale]

is this that one cooking youtuber that just does heinous shit

[mystic ether]

idgi. no like, bullshit internet blab points but I hate seeing some of those kinds of food waste vids.

That shit actually gets to me. lmao

[fading vale]

well

this dude is actually trying to make stuff

[mystic ether]

Oh really?

Like mad culinary experimentalist?

[vale carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-basic-how-to-basic-computer-how-to-edit-a-video-how-to-basic-edit-a-video-gif-20532783

[jaunty karma]

finally got ze flamer

[fading vale]

uh let me find his channel

[mystic ether]

Oh it 's this guy.

Oh no wait that's uh, whoever the fuck that is.

[vale carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-basic-how-to-basic-lock-how-to-pick-a-lock-pick-a-lock-lock-gif-23630114

[exotic portal]

Hmm hmm hmm

[mystic ether]

😦

[vale carbon]

howtobasic

[mystic ether]

Man...that's like. a month of eggs dude.

fuck.

grumble grumble

[vale carbon]

i think the eggs he uses are almost spoiled or not usable

[jaunty karma]

oh wow the flamer works WEIRD

[mystic ether]

Eh i guess.

If that's what's up, sure I suppose.

[vale carbon]

please give me

[sand lance]

The normal attack is just a quick burst of flame that has more Stagger than the secondary/continuous flame

[jaunty karma]

wait do burn DoT's stack?

[mystic ether]

I'm thinking of the smell

guh...

[vale carbon]

i've bought 500k worth of hammers

[jaunty karma]

ah ok

[vale carbon]

and only have junk to show for it

[mystic ether]

Actually what the fuck do people even do with the flamer?

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-funny-good-one-gif-10820434279148874810

[vale carbon]

burn things

[mystic ether]

I don't care about it but it seems like something that does work just, not like...the way I've seen it ran.

idk

[olive raven]

No clue

[vale carbon]

but iirc mostly just build it for secondary fire

[sand lance]

Yeah, kind-of-like how Psyker's Purgatus Staff works. Except Zealot's needs Ammo and Psyker needs to not explode themselves

[mystic ether]

zealots running around with it either just seems to raze the whole fucking lobby or do jack shit

[olive raven]

I’ve been watching the Casamigos cook recently

His food is like

[vale carbon]

you can do a meme build of primary spam i think

[olive raven]

80 proof but it looks fire

[steep flame]

horde clear

[lusty orbit]

exploding is the best part

[jaunty karma]

oop

[ember yew]

tldr if you run flamer, you are secretly want to play psyker, but just shy to admit

[vale carbon]

there's a few primary fire blessings that seem strong

[jaunty karma]

wait so, you can drop to 0 HP

from using Psycher abilities?

[olive raven]

Yes

[jaunty karma]

That's hilarious

[olive raven]

It’s called Perils of the Warp

[vale carbon]

the elites explode when burned blessing seems really interesting

[olive raven]

Too much warp == boom boom

[lusty orbit]

if you hit 100% peril and do another spell, your body does cool stuff like totally not exploding

[sand lance]

You hit 100% Peril as Psyker and explode as if you were running the Plasma Gun on Vet. Which is the aforementioned Perils of the Warp.

[vale carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-mind-blown-explode-head-bang-gif-22709680

[mystic ether]

anything over 100 peril after a grace fizzled cast will immediately down you after some "ahh I'm having a fucking hemorrhaging stroke--*dies"

[vale carbon]

unless you use shriek

[mystic ether]

^

[lusty orbit]

at least you can take some enemies with you

[jaunty karma]

LOL

[sand lance]

It's better than what canonically happens to Psykers when that happens, at least. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vale carbon]

psyker is actually fun tho

[fading vale]

It's KingCobraJFS

[steep flame]

i think scriers gaze makes it so you cant die aswell

[mystic ether]

Can't even have a normal fucking TIA in the Imperium. I hate it here.

[fading vale]

he recently made "bacon chocolate mead"

[vale carbon]

scriers will hit 100% and stop, but if you cast anything you'll explod

[sand lance]

It's the same with Smite, you stop Smiting when you hit 100% but you don't explode.

[mystic ether]

Actually idr if you get the grace fail cast with staves or blitzes.

[vale carbon]

really that's what perils boils down to:
"can you decide to not click the button when at 100%?"

[steep flame]

huh

[sand lance]

With Smite, you get the grace fail cast. Brain Burst and Assail don't, IIRC.

[jaunty karma]

if I hit the ground does that bit of flame do anything?

[steep flame]

no

[sand lance]

No

[jaunty karma]

ok so just visual

[mystic ether]

Gotta hit em

[vale carbon]

i wonder this too, since i'm still used to deep rock galactic where it does

[mystic ether]

Puffs from primary get hella stagger, right click is ye piss stream.

[vale carbon]

and it adds a good amount of damage and stun

[mystic ether]

Zealots need sex ed. mfkers out here BURNT UP.

[jaunty karma]

same lmao

[vale carbon]

honestly it makes it more engaging

[steep flame]

lol

[mystic ether]

Emperor Protects my ass.

[vale carbon]

no your underwear does

[steep flame]

skirt

[mystic ether]

What kind of jorts are you rockin what?

lol

Only legwear I know that's a shield are ye olde denims

[steep flame]

plenty of tradie pants have little plates stuck in them

[mystic ether]

Couldn't be me in a skirt. Maybe some patterned leggings but /shrug

Should probably get some new ones tbh.

[steep flame]

i want a cute dress for my psyker

[mystic ether]

I can't imagine any dress tailored in the Imperium being at all flattering.

Probably victorioshit.

[jaunty karma]

Ok something I noticed, when you dodge you can hear the sound of the flamer fuel. I like that bit of sound detail

[mystic ether]

Imperium dressed like shite.

I'm guessing flamer builds just run the cqc ranged talent and idk

[vale carbon]

mfs out here thinking that they're too good for metal underpants

[mystic ether]

Other ranged friendly shit?

[mystic ether]

Unless your briefs are lined with lead I don't want to hear it.

[vale carbon]

could probably just grab flamer as a counterpart to a low horde clear melee

[mystic ether]

I don't want superman looking at my goods.

[vale carbon]

like hammer or kinfe

doesn't have to be very optimized

[mystic ether]

I figure. I just never understood it in aurics.

I don't discount a lot of weapons wholesale usually because that's just not how I am. Even if it's more effort I'll push almost anything on my own terms to see what I can get out of it. Flamer just makes zero sense to me on higher difficulties.

[vale carbon]

the flamer shines because it can deal with super dense crowds

and it works on bosses too

[teal ginkgo]

Heyhey I’ve just started using zealot a few days ago, not sure the best melee, the heavy eviscerators seem super strong but I wanted to get other’s opinions

[vale carbon]

there's better and worse, but no "best"

because many melees are used for different things in different ways

[tropic pelican]

the best melee is the one you like the most

[jaunty karma]

So should I try to max out the flamer now?

[vale carbon]

(and also most optimal for the way you use it)

[jaunty karma]

Or wait a bit?

[vale carbon]

wouldn't hurt to build a decent one and mess around

just grab a 350+ roll and put sensible blessings/perks on it

[olive raven]

Did I just see someone say hammer has low horde clear 💀

[jaunty karma]

wait how do I get a 350 roll?

[olive raven]

Be level 30

[teal ginkgo]

Maybe I’ll try the thunder hammer or crusher next, those gotta have mad stagger

[olive raven]

Before trying to build things

[jaunty karma]

ah ok

[olive raven]

It’s wasting resources to try rolling perfect weapons prior

[mystic ether]

You can probably think of it better as what's safer and easier to use across different scenarios and difficulties. Doesn't hurt if you're using a weapon that has inherent utility.

Safest zealot weapons imo are like, the rashad axe, either heavy eviscerator (the one with the bigger number in the title is straight up a very intuitive weapon), normal chainsword and I guess idk. fuckin the uh, crucis 2 thunder hammer and whatever heavy swords after getting more crit stuff.

[vale carbon]

buy a bunch from the armory where you can choose specific weapons. you'll get greys but they can go up to 380 for modifiers (stats)

sometimes people will buy like 100 for a few perfect ones

[olive raven]

Crusher, Rashad and Heavy Sword 6 are the strongest melee. All melee weapons are viable.

[vale carbon]

honestly you can play with a grey rank flamer perfectly fine

[mystic ether]

...even the atrox? I got some beef with that thing

[teal ginkgo]

380 ideally but good luck cause that is the best roll you can get for modifiers and this games rng is wack

[mystic ether]

Hate that shit.

[vale carbon]

yeah i generally say that 350+ is fine

[teal ginkgo]

Nice, I’m going to go bonk some heretics 🫡

[jaunty karma]

Hey how do I get new special assignments?

[vale carbon]

getting out there and using it would be far less of a headache than trying to grind a "perfect" one

[teal ginkgo]

Level up more

[jaunty karma]

ok

[vale carbon]

then go to that green illuminated counter

[teal ginkgo]

👍

[vale carbon]

with the milk guy

[mystic ether]

If you want a melee weapon that's just very easy to use for heavy and lights it's definitely the new eviscerator and the crucis 2 thunder hammer.

You really don't have to put in a lot of effort to get them to do what they're immediately good at.

[olive raven]

Eh.

Nrlly

Both are reliant on blessings

[teal ginkgo]

What’s the difference of the two thunder hammers?

[olive raven]

Moveset, ironhelm will cleave on special, Crucis has +25% more special damage

[mystic ether]

I mean, yeah. Assuming that you have the blessings they're a breeze.

[teal ginkgo]

Oh I like +25% dmg

[vale carbon]

moveset, cleave is more specalized on the big bonk for crucius, ironhelm is a bit more generalized

[mystic ether]

Take shroudfield. Look for thrust. Pop shroudfield. Find a boss. Kill

[olive raven]

Crucis is the big bonk one, Ironhelm is more horde focused

[teal ginkgo]

Imma try both eventually probably

[mystic ether]

hyooj bonk

[vale carbon]

i think ironhelm is more useful to keep you from being a one trick pony

[olive raven]

They are on equal footing currently in terms of power

[mystic ether]

Ironhelm is fun for it's combo versatility.

IF that's just something you think about. It's not always useful but just nice to feel when you know it in and out.

[twin wagon]

chaxe gang

[vale carbon]

the chaxe is pretty fun

i really need a better version of thrust for mine tho

[mystic ether]

haven't used the new one since I got one. hate it

[vale carbon]

only running rank 2

[mystic ether]

might be just doing something wrong though

[vale carbon]

the old chaxe got changed a little and it's breddy gud

[mystic ether]

I love it

[vale carbon]

lights to hit heads, heavies and block hits for hordes

[mystic ether]

I haven't gotten one on my zealot yet but sometimes I just put it on my vet while vegging out in a heresy run because I just want to relax a little more.

[vale carbon]

charged heavies for bosses

it kinda struggles for crushers tho

i end up just spamming lights on em

or charged lights

[mystic ether]

ngl those just feel more economic

the revved lights with chaxe

especially after that animation cancel change on dodging while ripping. thank fuck

[vale carbon]

using chastise with a fully charged, charged heavy really chunks bosses tho

[mystic ether]

true. I'm thinking morel ike carapace clusters when other cc options are just not there at that moment or people might not be getting their big doink options out quick enough

[vale carbon]

learning that you can do a block attack with it charged is interesting too, though i think it just hits one thing

[mystic ether]

spammed chastise and revs for like 6 seconds on 5 different crushers once

was dodge sliding while light revving like a goblin clipping ankles to force the stunlock

fun thing about crushers, I finally heard the "Can't kill ogryn!" before a fully charged crucis rev bonk to the face. bro literally hit one of these.

https://tenor.com/view/drrr-shizuo-falcon-punch-gif-5538768

[sand lance]

That Crusher might've been right until he ran into the Big-E's Weakest Fanatic.

[vale carbon]

i do like that they actually talk now

[sand lance]

Yeah, it's hard to miss that mountain of carapace barreling towards you now

[mystic ether]

She's a little...optimistic about her performances being monitored by higher ups. She wants to go to the assinorum so fucking bad lmao

[vale carbon]

though you wanna know what ogryn really needs now?

grappling

[mystic ether]

Ogryn swan ton bomb

[vale carbon]

i wanna pick up a poxer and throw it off a cliff

[mystic ether]

Ogryn rko.

I've talked about this before in vet chat.

I want my wwe ogryn grapple on the charge ult they got.

[sand lance]

The Female Agitator Zealot, yeah? Though granted, all the Zealots think themselves higher than their actual station as convicts.

[mystic ether]

You basically just special attack and do a directional input. One takedown for a different direction with ridiculous impact versus units and holding down the attack with throw them.

maybe cdr penalities or something but a bonus to toughness dmg red during the animation.

like a stupid amount

[vale carbon]

https://youtu.be/3c29YE6f8x8?t=12

[mystic ether]

Oh I made mine a judge because it's lowkey the most like, idk, doubtful? for a zealot the judge has a lot of lines really going in to how the people get fucked over. Like a lot a lot.

And also judge dialogue just reminds me how lame the imperium is.

Like really lame.

lol

[vale carbon]

even if the grabs just shove people around it would be cool

[vale carbon]

gee its almost as if that is the point of the setting

[mystic ether]

Oddly enough the Judge is also somehow the least scathing to psykers and ogryn. more to ogryn imo but all my operatives are parto f the same squad in my little head canon.

[sand lance]

Ahhh, fair enough. I'm running a Male Judge Zealot and I don't recall him ever wanting to become part of the Officio Assassinorum.

But it's true that both Judge Zealots want justice for the downtrodden. That's the Zealot monologue from the Zealot trailer that Fatshark put out, after all.

[mystic ether]

but it's like hilariously corny. dudes out here talking like they're some fucking knight on a quest. bro we are doing a drug raid shut the fuck up (loose cannon to judges)

[mystic ether]

Oh no the assassassass thing is just me making a head canon for my judge zealot.

That's her goal. She's a clown and wants the clout kind of thing. She had a severe blindspot for some hive shit or whatever she was doing wetwork for because she wanted to do more from coming from there or something idk. I barely care about 40k lore.

got punked by gangers larping as cultists or something and it actually popped off somehow

straight up an embarassment

[jaunty karma]

Welp, I just got a purple flamer out of no where

[mystic ether]

they know

[sand lance]

Ah, okay. And it's fine, Darktide doesn't really adhere that strictly to the WH40k lore either. Neither did Vermintides 1&2 acknowledge the wider WarhamFantasy/Age of Sigmar stuff beyond a quick nod.

Fatshark's always done their games as a kind-of self-contained part of the greater franchise.

[mystic ether]

Oh yeah, don't worry about me. I'm here for the frags and swag plays. lol

[sand lance]

Same

[vale carbon]

honestly just do a mission with it as it is

[jaunty karma]

I did do a mission, that's how I got it XD

[vale carbon]

"with it"

[jaunty karma]

ah

[mystic ether]

My basic setup for my headcanon squad is like
My veteran (main) got hit with sedition after getting caught shaving light munitions and supplies to some goons she knows back home because she knows it'll get funneled to some hive guide kids. Just wanted them to have a better chance at living through it. hates everything about the imperium, not quite interested in chaos, just doesn't want to die as a nurgle puddle.

Zealot is what I said: wannabe that's somehow not dying and kind of looking cool with it. Hit with uh, misplaced faith for failing to actually do her little cloak and dagger shit that she wouldn't shut the fuck up about being mediocre at at best.

Psyker originally was a savant scooped as a kid that's pulling some offbeat wild paradigm splicing after some intrigue blew up in their face and is avoiding thoughtcrime and trying to put pieces together. New one is probably just going to be some kidnapped psyker (loner dialogue) that just fucking hates it here idk

Ogryn got insubordination after basically successfully getting a mission squad leader out of the killzone while the others got overwhelmed and he didn't die while ultimately failing a mission. Wants to think the dude he saved gave him the lightest sentence because he's a sweetheart. Used to be a pit fighter that got clout for getting some okay dubs and somehow not being scumfuck about it.

The vet and zealot got beef because the vet hates loudmouths like the zealot. Psyker is baby sitting all three. Ogryn is liked by all in the squad and will have warcrimes committed by the squad if he ever dies.

@sand lance

[jaunty karma]

ok flamer has more range then I originally thought

what kind of melee weapon has the highest single target damage?

With decent attack speed

[mystic ether]

I don't dissect this game but the rashad is highly reliable last I remember.

[naive star]

Hammer is the boss bonker

[mystic ether]

Oh single target oops. Yeah. Hammers and the crusher fucking CLAP

[jaunty karma]

Ok, cause I just need something to deal with armored enemies since flamer kinda well..... sucks at that XD

[naive star]

I recently hit lvl 30 (my first) on Zealot, and got shop extension on browser, fishing out for new weapons, but game decided to just give me perfect Heavy Swords constantly, so thats what im using for now

Fury of the Faithful gives you few seconds of armor ignore

So anything can then deal with armored enemies (crushers)

[polar nexus]

You want to do flamer + chastise

[naive star]

Personally i whip out Assault Rifle and unload magazine then, works decently for bosses too

[jaunty karma]

I've been told but chastise doesn't increase flamer damage does it?

[mystic ether]

Easy go-to's are any of the chain weapons assuming you manage the commitment on revved up attacks safely, thunder hammers and...I want to say rashads but idk about that nowadays tbh and the mk3 knife specifically.

[mystic ether]

Pumps your crit up for free.

[polar nexus]

It reduces damage reduction

So you're effectively burning through armor

[jaunty karma]

wait it does????

[naive star]

Had to google chastise, as i only know Fury of the Faithful as thats the upgraded version

[mystic ether]

Not trying to be rude: fully read the description of your talents and start connecting the dots.

[jaunty karma]

I do, it mentions melee damage and toughness recovery

Nothing about reducing armor

[mystic ether]

lmao fuck me you're right. I'm thinking of blazing piety

the crit generator keystone.

[polar nexus]

To be fair, not all the tooltips are correct or self explanatory

[mystic ether]

Yeah I was going to add that part too. forgot to mention it.

[jaunty karma]

What's finesse damage?

[polar nexus]

So yeah furry will degrade the armor. On your melee weapon and your ranged weapon.

[mystic ether]

Think it's headshots.

[naive star]

Inspect your weapon and hover over it, shows what it does

[mystic ether]

someone else will clarify

[naive star]

Alternatively, google said weapon and there its shown

[fading vale]

finesse is weakspot and crit damage scaling

[jaunty karma]

ah

[sand lance]

That's the kind of inter-Party dynamic that I'd want from -Tide games. Kinda miss it with Darktide eschewing actual named characters ala Kruber, Saltzpyre, Sienna, Bardin and Kerillian.

[naive star]

Finesse for Combat Knife Mk3 for example

[south folio]

+50% finesse is the same as +50% weakspot damage and +50% crit damage (weapon perks)

finesse damage and the finesse stat on weapons are related but different

[fading vale]

the finesse stat is separate from finesse (I know it is confusing)

[mystic ether]

Personally prefer the no-name vibe. Keeps it steady with the concept of just being another forced goon within the imperium.

[jaunty karma]

Ok

[mystic ether]

VT2 got the clean heroism and characterization though by comparison I will admit in a lot of ways.

[fading vale]

finesse is unrelated to attack speed, but finesse stat on weapons mostly also buffs attack speed

[mystic ether]

But the dialogue banter expansions are very nice

[sand lance]

Also a valid argument. I'm just more interested in a particular pack of no-name Rejects talking shit to one another and to the Heretics while trying not to die.

[mystic ether]

fair

[jaunty karma]

Can the flamethrower gain finnesse? I don't see anything in it's descriptions that mentions it

[mystic ether]

There are some fucking flame ass lines between the loose cannon and professional vet. Genuinely love the sarcasm from loose cannon. It's actually a lot more clever than it seems with how I think about it.

[sand lance]

Definitely. It's just VA work can get expensive and the amount of voice lines you'd need for more characterization between 4 Classes and 6 different Archetypes per Class would probably get really expensive.

[fading vale]

flamer is basically burn stacks only

[naive star]

Okay i see why Precog is so good then on Combat Knife mk3

[mystic ether]

Loose Cannon continues to bully Cadian veterans. It's great.

[jaunty karma]

yeah I was trying to see if finesse would increase it's RoF, so that way I can stack burns faster

[fading vale]

like I said finesse is unrelated to attack speed

if the weapon has a finesse stat, then typically it buffs attack speed

[sand lance]

Loose Cannon keeps talking shit about the other two Vet archetypes in general, it's great

[mystic ether]

I like how the professional is just genuinely trying to keep the comms not suspect. Meanwhile loose cannon just has lines openly talking about desertion, fraternizing with organized crime, etc.

Like bro, you _

JUST got locked up for sedition. What are you DOING?! 😭

[sand lance]

LC figures that he's already being sent to die anyway (and just keeps failing at it), so what's the harm in talking shit?

[mystic ether]

pretty much honestly.

Also the complaining is perfect.

[sand lance]

They'll probably be lined up against a wall and shot once Grendyl has no need of them anymore

[mystic ether]

It's hella whiny but just 👌 . clean

got some easy chuckles out of me.

[jaunty karma]

So I'm looking through the talents, and one issue I was noticing with the flamer is that if I was using the secondary fire to spew flames and I get hit. I would get staggered out of it, would this prevent that from happening?

[mystic ether]

Loose cannon and loner psyker cosign a lot when it happens. boffum just "Bro...this place SUCKS. FUCK!"

[fading vale]

TWBS prevents all forms of stagger

including ranged

[jaunty karma]

perfect, I'll gun for that next then cause that'll be massively helpful

[naive star]

Im in progress of making decent Flamer just so i can do that "kill 40 stunned enemies in 10s" penance for hats

Not sure having the absolute best blessings is crucial if thats my only need for it

[fading vale]

the only meaningful flamer blessing is blaze away

[mystic ether]

yo has anyone gotten the greenlight for the vt2 versus?

[fading vale]

overpressure is bugged

[mystic ether]

I wanna cry, haven't noticed an email

[sand lance]

The implication I got from the "crimes" section of Char Gen is that almost all of them are some flavor of "Pissed off the wrong higher official", so of course the Loose Cannon and Loner are rightfully pissed about it.

But this is the Imperium of Man, shit just sucks in general. But moreso now as a Reject trying not to become Nurgle soup.

[fading vale]

and make sure you remember blaze away only comes in tier 3

[median zenith]

bugged in a good way or in a bad way?

[fading vale]

it doesn't effect burn damage, so bad way

[naive star]

Yeah i checked few flamer builds at gameslantern and all had Blaze Away, besides that Fan the Flames was popular

[fading vale]

fan doesn't really do anything

except maybe help with crushers on the puff but uh

[jaunty karma]

what does blaze do?

[naive star]

Do many flamer users even use primary to stagger much?

[jaunty karma]

I haven't noticed a difference tbh

[fading vale]

blaze is for huge packs or high health elites when you want to continuously fire

yeah I use the primary for stagger

[naive star]

If only swapping flamer on didnt take so long, that was biggest turnoff, cant react to situations

[fading vale]

if there's like a rager or mauler pack, or when approaching specials

[naive star]

But guess i could try it around for fun, since i dont have really trusy well rolled ranged weapon yet at all

I just magdump this on bosses and crushers after chastise/fury/F mostly now

[olive raven]

Hm

I’d swap Speedload for DumDum

And then you have a very very nice gun

[naive star]

Ok thanks, will keep eye on it

[ornate bone]

Dumdum existeth not on bro autos

[olive raven]

Ah yea, then Deathspitter

[crisp plaza]

Fuck I hate gunners

Fuck I hate gunners

[naive star]

I should start rolling 20% gunner resistance on my curios

If only id find max rolled base curios first

Two of my curios currently give Ordo Dockets, as im chronically poor

[olive raven]

You don’t rlly need to worry about maxed curios

A 1-3% difference isn’t much

Like if you have a 16 or 20% curios for toughness or HP, take it

[naive star]

Ok, ill just look out then for curious with decent enough and first perk atleast being useful

[olive raven]

Usually best practice yea

[polar nexus]

Speedload to DS, stripped down, you have the god roll

[olive raven]

Eh I’d take just keep fire frenzy tbh

[polar nexus]

Yea

[ember yew]

my broke ass farming auric+ with this +- x3

no probs

only 10% ordo dockets matters and gunners resist

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

so tldr can do fine with any curios

but do snipe the normal shop for them

they are cheap

just stack them

for later casino

[ornate sequoia]

what should I change up?

[hollow ridge]

[ember yew]

29 mobility gonna really hurt you

its slow af at 48

but if you still want to use it

[naive star]

Yay or nay?

[vestal coyote]

Can this be salvaged at all?

Or did hadron kick me again

[ember yew]

@ornate sequoia
you can swap Rev it Up to Rampage

and another one does not make much of a difference, but i would swap carapace to flak

[dense field]

Swap both blessings

[vestal coyote]

I figured that had to be the only way lol

to make it OKAY

[ember yew]

he will not like 29 mobility either way

[dense field]

No wtf, weak spot to flak

[ember yew]

if its a 2shot on carapace w/o 20%

shouldnt matter much

i cant test it since im at work

[dense field]

It's still better than weakspot damage

[olive raven]

Tbh I’d swap the ordos myself but yea

[dense field]

Leagues better

[ember yew]

hitting heads is just too easy

with mk15 but w/e

[dense field]

It doesn't matter

Weakspot is trash

[ember yew]

thats the farming gear

there's another set for things like twins HM, tho farming gear is present like 98% of the time

[olive raven]

tbh best farming gear is just optimal gear

I’d take 5% toughness or HP over ordos any day

[dense field]

+Ordos and +curio chance are a thinking person's perks

[ember yew]

im not dying to normal stuff and the stuff that kills will still kill me even with normal curios set

like teammates detonating a barrel

lets get those 55+k ordos per match rolling

[storm crypt]

is this thing actually worth using or should i just strip the hand-cannon 4 for my own revolver

(i use mk IIa)

[sacred jay]

are 2 wound curios possible?

[ornate sequoia]

went broke and this one was the best to come out of the rng pile sadly

[polar nexus]

Run n gun to crucian, infested to flak

[ember yew]

fair enough

as i am using 48 mobility one i can understand what to expect from 29 one

[ornate sequoia]

what blessings do you go for? Last I heard, rampage was bugged. Not sure if that's still the case

[ember yew]

It works fine as of now, not sure if there was a bug

its tooltip is wrong though

ah

the bug when it has double effect

it was fixed a month+ ago

its still a solid damage boost for general use and pretty good on MK15

[storm crypt]

yea i knew what to do with it

i just don't know if these revolvers are worth it on zealot

all praise i've heard from them are on veterans

[cerulean pine]

They're still great on zealot

[storm crypt]

esp. because i play martyr and not crit

[ember yew]

i have 2 Mk15 so far

[polar nexus]

They're fun

[storm crypt]

i think i'm just going to take hc4 for my normal revolver because i normally use it to pierce through a horde to hit specials

[polar nexus]

Just bring something for armored targets like crushers. Or chastise.

[polar nexus]

Shadow fixed apparently

[olive raven]

Not great

Good maybe

[ember yew]

1
Rampage (changed)
Momentum (locked)
This one got disgusting sustain

2
Bloodthirst
+something i forgot (probably Rampage)
This one can be used for infinite crusher oneshot from chaining special

@ornate sequoia

[storm crypt]

man if human-sized characters shared weapons i'd totally keep this for my veteran

[ember yew]

and i want to build #3 with Rampage/Shred where i replace Shred with Savage Sweep from time to time for memes

[storm crypt]

it feels fun it just doesnt fit into my zealot playstyle at all

[celest cave]

Should i dive in?

[ember yew]

i did hardmode twins with pugs a week ago, took me 5 hours on weekends

so its doable

[storm crypt]

yea just post the hard mode insignia

[fading vale]

what does hand cannon have to do with cleaving to hit specials

[ember yew]

but after experiencing 5 hours Twins with pugs

[storm crypt]

it's that the mark IIa has cleaving

[olive raven]

Oh god

[ember yew]

people dont even use correct builds

[storm crypt]

the other mark doesn't and that's the deal breaker

[ember yew]

so topics like this pop out

[olive raven]

The twins mission is easy on regular hard mode

It’s the secret mode that’s hell

[celest cave]

im a regular player pretty much from day one, all endgame gear now, i havent played anything but damnation in a year and its pretty rare that my team fails. So i would consider myself one of the at least BETTER darktide players.

Tried to do the twins mission on damnation like 30 times now, havent even seen one of the twins go down? WTF is this? is there some stupid trick to do this thing on damnation?
Also: is this the route this game will take now? Souls game style try and error boss battles that are ridiculously hard? Wasnt this supposed to be a game about fighting hordes with some specialists here and there?

[fading vale]

yes but that's unrelated to hand cannon, maybe I didn't read up enough

[ember yew]

which secret mode

i mean the bell one

[storm crypt]

i was asking if the revolver itself was good

[ember yew]

or theres something else

[olive raven]

The bell one yes

[storm crypt]

it is ok on zealot, but it just doesn't mesh into my playstyle well

[olive raven]

That’s the only one

[storm crypt]

so i stripped it to upgrade my revolvers handcannon from 3 to 4

[fading vale]

oh, the revolver is extremely strong on every class

[olive raven]

The old revolver is amazing on zealot, the new one is just worse than the old one tbh

[fading vale]

surgical hand cannon

specifically zarona yeah

[ember yew]

the other one is just normal damnation tho but anyways

[polar nexus]

I think he said he used the zarona to cleave through elites not hand cannon

[ember yew]

people used tons of bad gear and crap builds

[polar nexus]

Especially Ogryn.

[ember yew]

it was pretty bad overall

[storm crypt]

it isn't an amazing revolver considering the perks, but it's very servicable

[ember yew]

but still possible

even the bells

just need to prepare yourself mentally

[fading vale]

what is the logic behind the random ass names that weapons have with marks

the shovel XIX

evis XV

[ornate sequoia]

ty!

[fading vale]

like what

[storm crypt]

i hate that they won't just do, "Mark I/II/III" in order of release

but for one of the weapons, heavy swords i think?

there's like, mark 6, 7 and 9

lmao

[ember yew]

i do agree with this

[fading vale]

yeah....

[ember yew]

we have

mk 2

mk 13

mk 15

[fading vale]

and then half the weapons have names

[ember yew]

where did the others go

[fading vale]

and the other half of the weapons don't have names

[ember yew]

or pistol

[fading vale]

but marks instead

[ember yew]

mk2 mk10

thats one hell of a skip

i bet its just random generated number

then you slap it

[storm crypt]

like they could've just made it "Tigrus Light Eviscerator" and "Tigrus Heavy Eviscerator"

(i think the original is the light variant? or am i wrong)

[fading vale]

they are not light and heavy

[olive raven]

That’s… really fucking good lmao

[storm crypt]

well comparatively that's how they feel and look at least

[olive raven]

HC4 & Surgical 4 💀 god damn

[fading vale]

the eviscerators are kind of the same except one is more straightforward

[storm crypt]

the mk15 has a lot more weight behind it

which is why i said it was heavy

its also a brick wall of a weapon

[ember yew]

at least it looks like an eviscerator

and not some small stick

[vast jasper]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9af0bd21-f813-4a28-b8f0-93a26868f0ec
is this okay to use in auric maelstrom ?

[fading vale]

it's just an evis with all horizontal lights and vertical heavies

[royal vortex]

um akshually the l4 is a diagonal starting from the bottom left with slightly better damage

[fading vale]

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[fading vale]

kind of like how hammer L3 is horizontal

but it actually has the same profile as an overhead

[royal vortex]

its damage profile/cleave stat is actually identical to l2/l3/push attack on old evis

which is

weird

the difference is completely irrelevant

[ember yew]

well chainaxe 12 is basically

reversed 4

we can call it lazy design

[storm crypt]

the devils claw mk4 has a strikedown on light 3

[ember yew]

but it is what it is

[royal vortex]

l4

[storm crypt]

but it is exactly the same (and also horizontal) as the other 3 hits

[fading vale]

honestly I forgot that hammer had a horizontal light cause it functions basically like an overhead lol

[royal vortex]

l1-3

[fading vale]

that's a weird choice

design choice

[royal vortex]

yeah the l4 is a vanguard, the other 3 are relentless

but it has the same target damage cap

[fading vale]

I wish they would just like

[royal vortex]

which means they swapped a move for absolutely no reason

[fading vale]

fuck off with naming "types" of moves

it's not actually meaningful

at all

[royal vortex]

it would work if they actually followed the rules they try to establish

[fading vale]

but they don't

[royal vortex]

nope

[fading vale]

it just confuses new people lol

[royal vortex]

p much yeah

[fading vale]

want to know what a move does? uh

depends on the weapon and where is it in the combo

and how they coded it

[royal vortex]

yup

[fading vale]

aka go test every individual attack in the psyk

if you want to actually know

[south folio]

intuit through the morphogenetic field

it's just that easy

[fading vale]

like the knife for example

all it's lights are basically different

and it has chains that nobody would ever know about

the lights even have different ADM values

[royal vortex]

it would be really nice if attack names would actually give you a summary of a swing's characteristics so that you could maybe reference an in-game compendium or smth to figure out how a weapon works from the inspect stat

but instead we are left with a system outright hostile to player learning

[fading vale]

one of the knife lights actually damages maniac

[olive raven]

I love vague tooltips that give me incorrect information wdym

Best system ever

10/10

[ember yew]

[royal vortex]

something something use it to apply lacerate