zealot-class

[lean lark]

it only lacks boss dmg

sort of?

idk it's just very mediocre at boss damage

that's the only drawback it has

which is why it's usually paired with an anti-armor ranged

[feral thorn]

saying it's good at all of these things doesn't really seem to measure up to how it's actually working out, though...

[indigo quartz]

agreed

[lean lark]

that's probably because you're using it wrong or with the wrong playstyle

or the wrong blessings

and stat spreadage

[indigo quartz]

i'll login and show off the one i've been using

[feral thorn]

so, you needa godroll to make it work?

[indigo quartz]

but i've tried at least 2 varieties of blazing piety, momentum and martyrdom with it

[lean lark]

no

[indigo quartz]

and its disappointing each time

[lean lark]

you dont need a godroll to make it work

[indigo quartz]

like if it had access to shred or finesse as a stat

[lean lark]

it'd be too good

its already stupid good

[feral thorn]

then what are you saying here, y'know what i mean?
'cuz what i'm getting out of this explaination is that it's actually the best weapon the class has access to, as long as you use it correctly with the correct build and correct blessings and correct stats

[indigo quartz]

this thing sucks compared to my shitty 533 knife below it

it kills elites slowly

can't deal with crushers inside a horde

sure it minces a horde

but so does push blocking

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-sad-gif-17079350350247023901

guess i have to record my average game with hsword once again

[indigo quartz]

ive seen gameplay, im not opposed to more samples, but it looks midling as hell every time

[feral thorn]

i'd appreciate not being treated like i don't know how to play the game here, if that'd be agreeable with you

[indigo quartz]

BM caxe just feels like a version that does triple the damage

and yeah zalgo is right even if im modest enough to not have so much pride as to assume I can't be wrong

[lean lark]

i mean if i come off as insultive that's not what im trying to get to

take it as you will

all im saying is you're using it wrong if that's the case, or running the wrong build with it

[feral thorn]

my bottom line when it comes to heavy swords is, other melees just seem to work, and the hsword just doesn't
like if i'm supposed to be using a specific skill tree and specific blessings to turn it into a blender? i'd absolutely understand here, but all i'm really getting out of you is 'ugh, you don't know how to use it? guess i gotta show you...'

[indigo quartz]

i've given it 6+ shots over many months and the weapon just feels awful compared to how good trauma staff feels on psyker or plasmgun feels on vet

at least we have revolver + caxe

and crusher is great for getting oneself out of sticky scenarios with its gorked impact

crusher is also middling against bosses but skullcrusher means youre not just tickling it todeath, your allies can kill it faster

[feral thorn]

guess i'll just swear it off again

[fading vale]

hsword is one of the most busted strong weapons

idk what you are missing with it

[fleet zealot]

tfw you get dragged out last night to surprise open christmas presents

[royal vortex]

skullcrusher doesn't apply to bosses

[feral thorn]

thanks again for just saying that instead of actually explaining anything

[indigo quartz]

it does low damage and its role can be replaced with weapons that don't suck against bosses or bring other utility

[royal vortex]

the bonus damage only applies while an enemy is in a stagger state

[fleet zealot]

and you aren't mentally or physically ready to interact with people

[indigo quartz]

the crusher can stagger state bosses

[royal vortex]

no it doesn't

[fleet zealot]

You need to use relic if you want skullcrusher to work on monstros

or bring a krak vet, ogryn, or void staff psyker

[indigo quartz]

with enough stacks of hammerblow and a few powered swings you can definitely stagger cspawns and plogyrns

especially if you chastise

[frozen glen]

whar

[fleet zealot]

what

[royal vortex]

95% of the time a boss is alive it won't be in a stagger state because the only consistent way to do it is with an ogryn club

[fading vale]

uh, hsword kills multiple of any elite except ogryn and mauler per heavy swing

and destroys all trash

[royal vortex]

no i don't think this is happening

[fleet zealot]

and also like, crusher doesn't need to apply skullcrusher anyways to bosses

you have a really easy overhead combo

[fading vale]

and can kill 4 ragers in one swing

[fleet zealot]

and a hard hitting push attack

[fading vale]

and by default kills 2 elites per heavy

[lean lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1173239537405800498/PcC6sLQ.mp4?ex=659a9a77&is=65882577&hm=d75781df696282cf23cb5a33aebfa1b09545c4f1b4e5835a685b4b3d76755650&

just take a look for yourself

[fading vale]

one shots muties

[fleet zealot]

that's fundementally

[fading vale]

light spam is good

[fleet zealot]

not using any sword effectively

[indigo quartz]

that looks slow as shit

caxe would be out of there so fast

[feral thorn]

yeah that looks awful ngl

[fleet zealot]

yea light spam mk9 is great for turning your brain off and it can stagger ragers with punishment but...

[indigo quartz]

and crusher would have at least knocked them down so you can get some space

[feral thorn]

and that enemy grouping is pure fantasy

[indigo quartz]

if that's "good damage"

[frozen glen]

caxe can't kill elites as fast as the hsword

[indigo quartz]

maybe my files are bugged and knife >>>> hsword

[fleet zealot]

crusher doesn't even want to knock things down

like honestly people overvalue CC too much

cc'ing ragers and crusher is good yes

[indigo quartz]

i'll take something knocked down if I can't kill it when im being swarmed by 15 ragers, 3 bulwarks and 50 groaners

hsword would catch on the enemies

[fleet zealot]

but knocking around poxwalkers on their back a yard away is fucking annoying and lowers your horde ttk, that is why I believe in the purple crusher supremacy

[indigo quartz]

and its special would be useless

[fleet zealot]

only if there is bulwarks

[fading vale]

the fuck are people smoking right now

[fleet zealot]

and you know what you do then

you swap to ranged weapon, and cahstise, and shoot the exposed bulwark

hsword doesn't get stuck

[indigo quartz]

like its not an unusable weapon, I just feel for a zealot specific weapon it leaves a lot to be desired

[fleet zealot]

periodt

[royal vortex]

heavy stagger doesn't push shit far away enough to matter in hordes, you're hitting enemies every swing

[delicate shadow]

rashad is not something you want to be the litmus for good/effective given it's straight up overpowered as fuck

[royal vortex]

idk wtf you're doing to have an impact blessing on crusher fucking up your ttk

[fading vale]

go ahead and try to outdamage and outkill ANYONE with 2 braincells using an hsword

[lean lark]

caxe lobotomization^8

[glass pelican]

happens a lot

[fleet zealot]

I had hammerblow and punishment talent

[royal vortex]

idt punishment even does anything to hordes because hammerblow is inflicting so much stagger already

[fleet zealot]

using the l1 h2 horde clear combo

[royal vortex]

but u shouldnt take punishment on crusher

it's pointless

[fleet zealot]

yea, it was on my default loadout

but even with hammerblow 4, I still end up knocking a lot of ,poxwalkers far back and prone

which I don't enjoy

so I'm looking for a purple crusher

[lean lark]

here's a game i had yesterday using the mk6 hsword and bolter, 27 minute long game hishock auric carnival

i should get the more in-depth scoreboard for next time

[fleet zealot]

I think you just don't know how to use it to the full potential

[royal vortex]

but that doesn't matter, there's either too few enemies for DPS to be a serious consideration, or a horde is sufficiently dense that throwing the stuff you hit around just makes rooms for new enemies to move up immediately

[feral thorn]

i'm sorry i ever asked, it was never worth trying to understand

[fading vale]

they must only be used to light spamming a Rashad or something

[indigo quartz]

I dont even use the rashad, im someone that prefers knives or crusher

[fleet zealot]

what was your question

[royal vortex]

hammerblow/trauma is really useful because it lets normals deal with ragers easier, which is legit the only melee enemy you can be punished by unless someone drags an overhead into you (unfortunately common)

[feral thorn]

i'll just fuck off if i'm such a fucking brainlet

[lean lark]

thanks

[fleet zealot]

comparing knife to heavy sword, lol, lmao

[fading vale]

I mean several people have commented on why hsword is good

[fleet zealot]

please don't fit the stereotype for christmas

[indigo quartz]

the knife kills shit in high risk scenarios

[fading vale]

and posted things that it does....

[indigo quartz]

the hsword does not

[fleet zealot]

don't say you go lacerate

[indigo quartz]

naw I like precog

[fleet zealot]

but it does, it kills 4 ragers a swing and chip damages a few more

[indigo quartz]

i have never had that happen even with chastise

[fleet zealot]

precog uncanny

right

skissue

[indigo quartz]

i get the yellow weakspot hit

[glass pelican]

man it feels so good to instakill 2 bosses during a game

[fleet zealot]

cause dblow ht mk9 and mk6 can both pop off

[glass pelican]

i'm just gonna ignore me going down 10 times

[fading vale]

the only things an hsword does not one shot MULTIPLE OF is maulers and crushers

[glass pelican]

i carried the team with those 2 instakills

frfr

[indigo quartz]

someone posted killing groaners incredibly slowly

[lean lark]

no it actually can (with very very specific setups)

easier with maulers than crushers

[fleet zealot]

victim complex I guess. I didn't see your question

[lean lark]

crit having innate rending moment

[feral thorn]

comments on why hsword is good:
-it's the best zealot melee
-it clears chaff
-one-shots all elites and crushers
-you just have to use it right

evidence on why hsword is good:
-video showing impossible enemy grouping with constant 100% headshot rate standing perfectly still
-scoreboard mod showing favorable stats compared to what are presumably 3 randoms of unknown skill level

[lean lark]

very balanced

[fleet zealot]

lol lmao

[dim otter]

teach me master, armor is my bane with this thing (i love it tho)

[fading vale]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xOYKDquEWiQ91/a6guBz7laPLZ?invite=cr-MSxjVlUsMjEwMzkwNjUwLA

literally brainless gameplay, a bit outdated

but still

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/a-simple-wrong-would-have-worked-gif-19288086

[glass pelican]

this christmas should be to spend a day in the zealot chat without having a discussion

[fleet zealot]

how hard is it to keep your mouse at head level?

like

[lean lark]

a lot of buffs ie:
momentum 20
headtakert4 5 stacks
deathblow t4
+25% carapace perk
80% first target 79% dmg
chastise

[fleet zealot]

I have terribly shaky hands

[lean lark]

i think that's what you needed for it

[fleet zealot]

and I can manage it

[lean lark]

oh and distain 5

[fleet zealot]

and I can't use pencils ffs

[lean lark]

the trickiest part of that setup

[fleet zealot]

and the ramping up one, rising conviction

[indigo quartz]

i put on the hsword when I want a slightly harder game than crusher or knife builds

[lean lark]

ok what about this then

[fleet zealot]

see I can see the crusher vs heavy sword comparision

[lean lark]

this was played with a very good vet main, a caxe main zealot and a support vet

[feral thorn]

i don't know any of these people what do you want from me

[fleet zealot]

but comparing heavy sword to knife is lol lmao please

[indigo quartz]

knife feels good and does the killing on auric damnation

[fading vale]

no other zealot weapons even come close to touching hsword or caxe

[indigo quartz]

hsword feels good but does not do the damage and i have no idea why

[glass pelican]

we should instead talk about what did the zealot players ask for christmas

did many of you ask for a knife this christmas

[indigo quartz]

I literally have a near-perfect one with what this chat insists is good on it

[dim otter]

hsword does great damage, honestly every zealot weapon can do pretty insane damage lol

[fleet zealot]

screenshot and send clips

[indigo quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1188515557297889331/image.png?ex=659ace5e&is=6588595e&hm=da1466ed6d5cd79aea3844c02eacc68cf3d20c8f252c65d594d4a9d8141dc293&

[fleet zealot]

mk9 or mk6 horizontal heavies should be wrecking

[indigo quartz]

like is flakiac wrong?

[fleet zealot]

oh you don't have DBlow

lol

rampage is considered the better trash clearer blessing but most people moved to DBlow

[fading vale]

regardless that sword should still 1 shot 2 elites at a time

if you weakspot

[indigo quartz]

it takes like 3 heavies

[fleet zealot]

since dblow lets you decap 4 ragers

[indigo quartz]

shit is wack

[fleet zealot]

it shouldn't take 3 heavies if you are ramped up wtf

what talents are you going? disdain, rising conviction, momentum or martyrdom?

[indigo quartz]

i'd love to record but im on my shittertop out of state. logging in for that screencap was making my comp run at 105 Celcius

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[indigo quartz]

it takes 3 heavies on maxed out momentum

[lean lark]

here you go, a semi-realistic horde encounter with ragers

[frozen glen]

why are u still using that ugly ass skin on ur hsword

[lean lark]

im not

thats an old vid

[frozen glen]

ur an old vid

[lean lark]

fuck you

[fleet zealot]

yea that ain't right

[indigo quartz]

i get the yellow weakspot hitmarkers and all

[feral thorn]

so what i'm gathering right now is that you do need a specific build and blessings to get the results people are posting? because that was what i was trying to understand this whole time, and all anyone has done before now about it is post scoreboards, impossible enemy grouping, insults, and that one video of an actual run that i actually do appreciate

[indigo quartz]

its why I like the crusher

[fading vale]

flak maniac deathblow headtaker

[indigo quartz]

it does similar damage

[feral thorn]

and i've just been so damn frustrated about it, like why do folks have to be so mean about it?

[indigo quartz]

but CCs if it somehow doesn't kill with the push block attack and its wacky finesse modifier

[frozen glen]

maniac flak/elites with dblow headtaker on mk6

[fading vale]

martyrdom is the easiest for hsword

[frozen glen]

flak maniac headtaker dblow on mk9

[lean lark]

?

[fading vale]

momentum works

and get melee damage talents

[lean lark]

you shat yourself over me saying you might be missing x y and z and you ate that up as an insult and didnt affirm what you were missing or not

[fleet zealot]

no?

[fading vale]

duellist, sustained, disdain

[indigo quartz]

I like momentum when im not running CDR stuff for surviviabillity with relic or chastise. I'll give it a try when I get back

[fleet zealot]

rampage is a fine blessing

[fading vale]

rampage works too yes

[fleet zealot]

you'll do more dps vs non elites

[indigo quartz]

i'll keep my eyes out for another good hsword base

[fading vale]

headtaker rampage

[fleet zealot]

but deathblow lets you deal full damage to 4 elites

[indigo quartz]

or do I save materials for the datamined power claymore

inb4 vet only wep

[fleet zealot]

lol

unless you plan on not plaiyng at all till then

you can just grind more

[royal vortex]

don't bother. these are datamined WIP models that don't really exist beyond that

[left iron]

Euugh, yearly mandatory social event has been succesfully endured

[indigo quartz]

nah i have my crusher and knife loadouts

[left iron]

Whats going on here

[royal vortex]

there's vt1/vt2 datamined stuff that still hasn't been released

[fleet zealot]

optional social event

[indigo quartz]

i gave osmeone in the build chat's lacerate build a try and its great for pugs

[royal vortex]

(and a lot of the datamined stuff was done at release)

[left iron]

Oh god no, im out

[indigo quartz]

lets me abuse running away

but precog is just

so much nicer for elite breakpoints

[fading vale]

yeah we have no idea if anything that shows up in the code will actually be in the game

[indigo quartz]

yeah its a gamble but im pretty satisfied with my zealot arsenal

[fading vale]

regarding lacerate flesh tearer is just better anyways cause you don't need body shots and it's 2x the stacks

[indigo quartz]

its just hsword being so disappointing despite purported strenght

[fleet zealot]

lol, lmao, easy there lazorr

[indigo quartz]

without blazing piety/scourge stacks, flesh tearer 4 is an average 1.6 bleed stacks per hit

[lean lark]

man, hsword is so disappointing killing pre-nerf ragers in oneshot

[fading vale]

like what is a knife going to not crit when you have a billion crit chance

how would you ever not have piety stacks

[ember yew]

this is mk6 right?

[lean lark]

yes

[fleet zealot]

base crit chance?

[lean lark]

mk6 is the best hsword

mk9 is the easiest

[indigo quartz]

knife base crit on zealot is 20%

[fleet zealot]

also like, you ramp up scourge and blazing easily

like once

[lean lark]

best or worst doesnt change for hsword rankings

[fading vale]

piety is the most free of free nodes

[lean lark]

as they all will end up top scoring

[fleet zealot]

you get it ramped up, it should be up for the rest of the mission

flesh tearer is just better

[indigo quartz]

even on hi instensity, after horde events or an elevator it tends to fall off

[fleet zealot]

yea

[feral thorn]

you mentioned to me that perhaps using the mk 6 hsword would get me different results than the other two
you never explained anything else to me, you just kept saying that i was playing wrong and i didn't have the right setup when you also never told me what the right setup was
please don't act like you were a font of knowledge when all you did was put me down for not immediately understanding why it was the best when all i've been is frustrated with it

[fleet zealot]

and you gret it back instantly cause of how scourg and blazing stack

they stack ridic fast

[ember yew]

i like how i can oneshot ragers and mutants with mk9 too

[fleet zealot]

yes we have lol

[lean lark]

yes that's because they're both using strikedowns

[fleet zealot]

mk9, mk6, headtaker deathblow, flak maniac

[lean lark]

mk9 h1 is a strikedown

mk6 is only strikedowns

[ember yew]

toptierstuff

tho i pretty much dont use light attacks on mk9

feels lacking

heavy all the way

[fleet zealot]

mk9 lights used to be better oppurtunity cost before deathblow rework

cause you'd go punishment, rampage, headtaker

[indigo quartz]

yeah even with 65% from scourge and blazing piety at base, thats an average 4.55 bleed stacks per swing with flesh tearer 3

[fleet zealot]

and you could just stunlock ragers with light spam and kill them

[fleet zealot]

you are missing out the fact you lose a ton of damage hitting body shots

and uhh

[fading vale]

30 + 25 + 20 is not 65

[fleet zealot]

blazing is 25%

cause you always go right side

[indigo quartz]

blazing is 25 if you take the upgrade

[fleet zealot]

you always

take the upgrade

because of critical hits counting up fury as well

[indigo quartz]

and the stat viewing mod shows knife as 20 base crit

[lean lark]

i never said you should use the mk6 hsword, i explained to you what the hsword does and then when you decided i was being insultive i becan being insultive. You ask properly you get answered properly, not make a vague remark and try to devalue a weapon that you, as you've shown, dont know how to use and with what to use. Now that you were told what to run and how to run it, maybe you can go in-game and see for yourself how it works while using the correct things for it

[indigo quartz]

for knife

[lean lark]

you want a hsword build? sure

[fleet zealot]

scourge is 30, blazing is 25, base is 20

75%

[lean lark]

@feral thorn

[fading vale]

and the attack speed of knife is so high

you can pump 3 attacks out and boom max bleed stacks while hitting weakspots

[fleet zealot]

this, high attack speed, and how ridic fast scourge and blazing ramp up

in auric, unless there is a long pause section, you basically never run out

[ember yew]

yeah

you only drop crit when the wave ends

[lean lark]

and if you dont like that talent tree setup, here's a different version

[ember yew]

or you are downed

[fleet zealot]

wave never ends in auric damn

[ember yew]

[fading vale]

pretty much just elevators and room transitions

[fleet zealot]

Like, I literally stopped playing crit builds cause of how one dimensional and unengaging they are

[royal vortex]

the only keystone i really like is momentum

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom gives me that low health edge

[left iron]

Momentum gang

[royal vortex]

the other 2 don't feel like im doing anything particularly interesting

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-branch-the-pack-grinding-teeth-playing-with-wood-gnawing-gif-19403287

[royal vortex]

i take all the on-dodge talents

im a fkin NINJA

[fading vale]

momentum

[ember yew]

i used to be momentum guy

then i learned the way of crit

[fleet zealot]

momentum is literally

idk

people like it

[ember yew]

now im a braindead frontliner

[fleet zealot]

I just feel it's a less tanky, more range boosting martyrdom

martyrdom gives me that psychological advantage

that rush of being on one wound worth of HP

[royal vortex]

the way i make my builds nowadays im not taking any of the prerequisite nodes to make marty actually tanky

[fading vale]

I don't like how tanky marty is

[royal vortex]

so that doesn't really matter to me

[fading vale]

or can be

[drowsy steppe]

momentum

[fleet zealot]

true

i gave up restoring faith

a while ago

[fading vale]

also the dodge buffs are fun on momentum

[fleet zealot]

cause it made it too easy

anywayss

in non darktide news

i got the pink cat ear headset for christmas

[fading vale]

but is it a real headset

[fleet zealot]

yee

it's razer brand

[indigo quartz]

i'll give momentum hsword a try as soon as I can. I want to believe zealot has at least 1 giga-strong class specific weapon. just wish it didn't tickle bosses

[fleet zealot]

people here are too boomer to buy a fake off of a sketchy website like amazon

they just walk into our local best buy

[fleet zealot]

that is probably hswords only downside is poor unyielding damage relative to other zealot weapons

[royal vortex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aed3ae9-79e3-4f49-a703-887458284211/crushin-revised?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is p much all i run nowadays

[fleet zealot]

even carapace, once you get the combo down, is alright one on one

[fading vale]

I can't go back to "gamer" headsets after getting like, beyerdynamic, audio technica, sennheiser headphones/headsets

[fleet zealot]

or you can just press F and use your ranged weapon for crushers

i had one of those

[indigo quartz]

crushers weren't the problem

HC revovler + chastise

[fleet zealot]

i forgot which brand but it was a music headset and it was probably the best I ever had

but it eventually died of age

[ember yew]

how about removing Good Balance and Desperation and getting Shield of Contempt

[royal vortex]

im not crutching on that talent

no thanks

[ember yew]

this bad boy

[royal vortex]

don't need it in the slightest

[ember yew]

help your teammats

be a teamplayur

[indigo quartz]

like its fun actually feeling threatened in auric damnation when I bring the hsword

instead of only feeling threatened when im the only person alive

[drowsy steppe]

wha

[indigo quartz]

its a subjective feeling

maybe this new momentum talent tree will make the hsword actually perform as advertised

[drowsy steppe]

skill issue lil bro

[frank night]

Shouldn't u be hugging ur sharran tradwife

[drowsy steppe]

taking a break mittins

[fading vale]

I've never equipped SOC and never will

[frank night]

Cheating on her

[drowsy steppe]

you cant cheat if youre PLAYING as her

[royal vortex]

i had to experience maximum idiot mode marty hsword in p13

never again

such disgusting faceroll gameplay it was like i was on a more mobile ogrynm

[ember yew]

[left iron]

Mal, e-wife

[drowsy steppe]

You are a vile human being

damn I miss Selkie now

[left iron]

Emperor blesses me with a good base

[drowsy steppe]

nice knife bro

[left iron]

I will roll

Lacerate

And sprint eff

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-18412682

Now lets see it fully juiced

[left iron]

Its fucking trash

[indigo quartz]

oof bricked

[lean lark]

hell yeah ! double 2's baybee!!

[drowsy steppe]

OnlyCrits

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-damage-gif-25427790

[frank night]

Crit damage meeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

[keen silo]

is this worth salvaging?
the stats

[royal vortex]

not terrible, esp if you don't have a crusher

[left iron]

Good enough if you dont have a better one

[delicate shadow]

if you don't have a better crusher then yeah for sure

[keen silo]

i dont have a crusher

[royal vortex]

can swap both perks to any combo of unyielding/maniac/flak/carapace

[keen silo]

are the blessings good??

[ember yew]

yeah they are ok

[left iron]

Skullcrusher is the only one that matters

[royal vortex]

the only blessing you really want is skullcrusher (and avoid thunderstrike)

wait

there we go

hammerblow/trauma are both fine

[feral thorn]

i dunno, i don't wanna keep going back and forth on this out in the open, i just felt like you were talking down to me. sorry for getting heated about it, it's just been frustrating trying to get answers out of anyone who claims to be knowledgeable on the subject when i usually just get asked what i'm doing wrong instead. thanks for sending some information in spite of that, although it seems to be mostly gone now, so i'll just do what i can with the scraps. thank you for taking some time to offer help.

[left iron]

Hmm

[frank night]

Disappointly mature

[twin wagon]

Chaxe supremacy

[lean lark]

yeah just search from:dawn_priest hsword and you'll find like a hundred+ messages talking about it

some of them will have builds

[formal umbra]

I hate when people leave a mission early cause one thing went wrong :(

[lean lark]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aea5617-db75-49c6-9610-8362c3f1ec42/geralt-of-rivias-build

i also had made this

[formal umbra]

throws off my groove

[lean lark]

a while ago

[indigo quartz]

maybe I should roll up a headtaker/thrust 4 chaxe 12

[buoyant pecan]

Some ppl never escape the malice mindset

[formal umbra]

REAL

[lean lark]

of my perfected hsword build

[indigo quartz]

does the chaxe 12 have a target cap like the new evis?

[ripe heron]

Yes.

[buoyant pecan]

Most weapons do

As a matter of fact most weapons have a target exactly like the new evis

[formal umbra]

im even more mad cause I was going to town I was playing out of my mind but the dude went down once and just dipped

[buoyant pecan]

All ego

[formal umbra]

also finally installed scoreboard yay

[ripe heron]

The damage on the sweeps is more than enough to be good horde clear though.

[buoyant pecan]

Maybe he had a bad day

[fading vale]

I just take pride in winning after people leave

[formal umbra]

me too

[feral thorn]

thanks, i'll check it out. i hope you have a good holiday.

[formal umbra]

unfortunately it was like, the first third of the mission

[indigo quartz]

I wonder what hits harder, chaxe 12 with headtaker/thrust or evis 15

like, its gotta be the new chaxe with its extra rips on heavy + rev

[keen silo]

what is the meaning of toughness replenishment
how does it differ from the raw "toughness+ x%"?

[indigo quartz]

the blessings just seem better too

[fading vale]

I had one smelter with 3 dead teammates and 4 leavers back to back until finally one other competent player joined and saved my sanity

[misty pecan]

What should I put on it instead of speedload?

[cobalt birch]

i just got this as a random drop from a maelstorm and im thinking im gonna try using it, any suggestions for the perks/blessings?

[fading vale]

toughness replenishment is replenishing a percentage of your toughness, what particular thing are you talking about

[copper hawk]

[misty pecan]

I have another laspistol I plan to take blessings from

And I'm running a zealot crit build

[keen silo]

like second wind
15% toughness on dodge

does that just fill up the bar of toughness by 15%?
if so
how does the toughness replenisment buff work
does it increase the rate at which toughness replenishes outside of combat or smth?

[fading vale]

second wind is 15% of toughness bar

[keen silo]

yep

[fading vale]

what toughness replenishment buff are you talking about

[keen silo]

blood replenishment

redemption**

[frozen glen]

unironically a good knife just replace both blessings

[fading vale]

blood redemption is 50% more of base per kill melee toughness

so 5% base

7.5% with redemption

[keen silo]

ohhh it buffs the amount of toughness i gain per kill

[sturdy owl]

Are either of the momentum sub talents worth it? They look underwhelming.

[keen silo]

okay thats quite low..
oh well every part matters

[fading vale]

the dodge momentum talent is good, the toughness one is garbage

[keen silo]

momentum stacks on dodge seem useful when horde weaving...?

lazorr i have a doubt

[fading vale]

don't forget that dodge triggers work on ranged attacks too

[royal vortex]

inebriate's poise significantly increases your stack uptime during actual combat

[keen silo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa75ade-702e-4e25-96b7-cfc04d94ce4d/sisters-of-battle-build
this build has scourge on it
but its a completely crit non reliant build right

[royal vortex]

the other one is terrible

[sturdy owl]

You know I thought so, but it seemed like you'd already get stacks from dodging anyway due to movement. I wasn't sure how much it actually added in practice............. ?

[royal vortex]

it's way more than you'd think at first glance

[keen silo]

so dodging in itself gives stacks?

[fading vale]

this build is sus

[royal vortex]

it can keep you at 12+ stacks consistently, 15-18 if you're being very deliberate about it

[left iron]

I held X

[frozen glen]

ur trolling

[royal vortex]

especially on weapons with low stagger/cleave like a caxe or knife

[keen silo]

what can i correct?
i wanna use all the gear, dont want to change that setup
i want to use the fire bomb as well if possible

[left iron]

Goodbye mister knife

[novel heath]

Is shred good on evis?

[royal vortex]

decent for crit builds

beyond that meh

on new evis bloodthirsty is better if you're using crits for damage (such as the crusher 1 shot with +carapace)

[frozen glen]

where is our evis one trick..

:(

[fading vale]

idk about bloodthirsty on a chainsword, also bolter is missing pinning fire, and don't go scourge, get second wind, drop EWEW, drop desperation

[novel heath]

I have an old evis with wrath and shred

[fading vale]

get melee attack speed

[novel heath]

I don't have rampage

[misty raven]

Yea I like it. I have shred and perfect strike on my wound zealot. Let's me play complete brain dead just LMB spam everything and still getting plenty of crits for CDR on crit

[fading vale]

I'm also unsure of disdain for chainsword esp if you don't have extra cleave from something like savage

get backstab CDR

especially cause you have relic

you need some CDR

[novel heath]

Old or new evis?

[keen silo]

isnt disdain like melee dmg

and yes i tookbackstab cdr

[misty raven]

New

[royal vortex]

my problem with disdain is its only every other hit for some fkin reason

[keen silo]

no points for atk speed cuz i got second wind

[fading vale]

every other hit based on number of enemies you hit last swing

so if you are doing single target, it doesn't do anything really

[misty raven]

Sweep lights, strikedown heavies really uncomplicate the play

[polar plover]

merry xmas everyone :3 especially the cute femboys

[formal umbra]

👍

[misty raven]

Where are the cute femboys in my area?

[polar plover]

they are all with me legate

and i am not letting you see any of them even

[keen silo]

duelist worth keeping?

[opaque island]

look in the mirror legate

[keen silo]

@fading vale

since im not really running crit anything

[copper hawk]

erm

what the scallope !?

[fading vale]

duellist is very good in general for weakspot damage

[copper hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1149074103366590556/1152789473839546453/62CF58C8-B646-4E87-A197-46F168459DB7.gif?ex=659a08dc&is=658793dc&hm=612f09bbaffa1ba23e70b336f2dd977e407064d104ca7f2f5cb486f0a895fad7&

[keen silo]

aight

[polar plover]

what! ?

i know my boyfriends going to be wearing the xmas outfit i bought him

[keen silo]

must be nice 😔

[copper hawk]

ohg

so ur an oathbreaker

@shadow spruce i found ur clone

[opaque island]

gamers can have meaningful relationships?! GUH

[polar plover]

i hope youre not talking about me

i am a good monogomous boy

[copper hawk]

nuh uh

couldnt be me

[shadow spruce]

WHO PINGED oh its cica hi cica

[polar plover]

good

[copper hawk]

widdle ol me

me?? ringleadin ?? nohh...

https://tenor.com/view/bna-brand-new-animal-michiru-michiru-kagemori-licking-gif-20529302

[opaque island]

I just thought of something...

im not gonna share it

[royal vortex]

don't think

we don't do that here

for the god emperor n shit dude

[copper hawk]

yeah 🙂

[celest epoch]

what happened in here

all the homophobic furry haters got replaced by gay furries

[frozen glen]

always has been

[prisma sigil]

not all of them

i'm only playin

I only hate furries

[celest epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/962906740041601084/image0.gif

[opaque island]

I support my trans sisters cause it means there will be more gamer girls :^)

[olive raven]

Is this a bad thing lmao 💀

[olive raven]

this… is a statement.

[opaque island]

yes please gloss over my shit take thank you

forget i ever said that

[delicate shadow]

guys it's christmas eve

can you all just be normal

[drowsy jackal]

this is just 40k

[copper hawk]

when does the new like

[royal vortex]

no just because u said that im going to say something fucking DERANGED

[copper hawk]

batch of cosmetics drop

[olive raven]

Darktide discord try to not be maladapted for one hour challenge

[olive raven]

See I’m not fully shitting on it

It’s just

[copper hawk]

i need to waste my money of reskins

[frozen glen]

haby new yer

[copper hawk]

on reskins*

[olive raven]

A wild fucking statement 💀

[royal vortex]

next week

[drowsy jackal]

being trans on the internet has been an interesting experience

[royal vortex]

probs gonna be a rerun though

[copper hawk]

damb

hope it's that red commissar hat

[lean lark]

you mean next year

[royal vortex]

ur next year

stupid romanian

[lean lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-sega-ryu-gif-7190078

[drowsy steppe]

Happy holidays yall

[olive raven]

I will steal your internet.

[drowsy steppe]

❤️

[drowsy jackal]

coal for anyone that makes a 'next year instead of tomorrow/next week' joke

[copper hawk]

can some1 make this but the carnival

[drowsy jackal]

the karnak twins are hiding in the atoman waffle house

[copper hawk]

zola is the waffle house shield-maiden

[drowsy steppe]

ugly graphics

[copper hawk]

ur ogly

IN DUH SOULE

https://tenor.com/view/michiru-kagemori-bna-brand-new-animal-raccoon-sad-gif-17750428

[drowsy jackal]

does wow goldshire still looklike that

[ornate bone]

raccoon wife

reddit moment

Why would you use brutal momentum on the horde one-shot weapon, it's literally just 15% damage and nothing else

[south folio]

so true

[ornate bone]

Probably brought by the same intellectuals that said power sword died when PC4 didn't give them like 67 charged attacks anymore

[royal vortex]

vet was ruined when they removed unwavering focus

[frozen glen]

vet was never good

lol

[ornate bone]

Literally quite honestly truthfully unplayable

[frozen glen]

garbage!!!!!!

[royal vortex]

my god literally every single console player

will never know the pain

[buoyant pecan]

Same intellectuals who are distraught new evis is capped at 4 targets like most other melee

[royal vortex]

of pf unwavering focus faceroll meta

[buoyant pecan]

[ornate bone]

I mean

The new eviscerator actually has the cleave values to make it noticeable at least

[coarse birch]

Dude vet needed it wym

[south folio]

true, vet really needs 75% toughness DR to prop itself up
bring back unwavering focus pwetty pwease?

[royal vortex]

ogryn stole vet's tdr

[olive raven]

Because uh bleh

[ornate bone]

People probably don't care about a damage cap of 4 if the weapon itself only cleaves like 4 at a time

[south folio]

and +75% ogryn damage?

[buoyant pecan]

And Hella toughness regen

[buoyant pecan]

You'd think

[ornate bone]

But when you hit 12 and damage 4 it's like "wait a minute"

[coarse birch]

And more ammo regen

[buoyant pecan]

But ppl do

[olive raven]

We love people saying Vet is weak while they are a strong ass class

[royal vortex]

the old evis has the same target caps on lights/push attacks

and ppl would still lightspam

[ornate bone]

I would lightspam because doing the combos sucked

[royal vortex]

it doesn't matter as much as ppl say it does unless they were doing h1 qq

[ornate bone]

We are not the same

[coarse birch]

4 targets is perfectly fine in me exp

I might need to like push once

Oh no

[olive raven]

and before anyone says savage sweep isn’t useful on the new evis

It is

It allows to cleave heavier enemies, staggers more, etc

[coarse birch]

Procs crit cdr

Its good yeh

Most people are just turned off by it not increasing enemies killed

[royal vortex]

the most based individuals know that light rev increases the target damage cap to 6

u spam bloodthirsty revved l1s

if ur a true enlightened gamer

[coarse birch]

I do run bloodthirsty

I should probably use light rev more

[raven swan]

Good?

[royal vortex]

decent

[ornate bone]

I thought crit CDR was procced by crit damage

[royal vortex]

u want flak/maniac FF/DS

so it's a 3/4 which isnt ideal but workable

[coarse birch]

Each enemy hit in a crit swing counts for cdr

Including staggered enemies from S

SS

[royal vortex]

swap infested to flak for sure, then u can swap unyielding to maniac or terrifying barrage to deathspitter

[ornate bone]

sus

[steady valley]

ironhelm or crucis thunderhammer im trying to stay away from my usual knife zealot and wanna use the hammers but im not sure which one is better

[olive raven]

Tbh I’d go with deathspitter myself

[olive raven]

Both are good

Crucis has higher single target damage

Ironhelm has higher horde damage

[fading vale]

ironhelm is easy to use cause cleave special, crucis harder to use but more rewarding cause you have to learn how to hit what you want

[pulsar kernel]

Hi everyone, can somebody explain to me what optimal crusher combos should we use ? in horde and mixed ? what about the PA ? when should we use special attack ? I tried this weapon for a few hours and love it, but i feel like i can do so much more with it

[opaque island]

special l1 :^)

[north sedge]

No

[opaque island]

i was taking the piss i dont know crusher moveset

[whole vapor]

Please return the piss.

[north sedge]

Special is for staggering alot of elites, adds minimal dmg. Basic horde combo is light heavy

Push attack is big dmg if you land the headshot

[royal vortex]

l1 -> h2 is fine for hordes, h1 -> l2 for single-target

[north sedge]

Pa light heavy will kill the big stuff

[royal vortex]

special light for infinite cleave stagger (it'll stagger any bulwarks it touches, maulers/ragers etc too), special heavy gives you a small but nice aoe explosion

good as an "oh shit" tool

push attack is very versatile, as dough said good single target headshot damage, it also has the fastest chain-time to the heavy 2 (the horizontal heavy)

so in mixed hordes you can do push attack -> h2 for some extra single target without any major cleave/cc loss

and push attack -> l2 -> h1 is another good single target damage combo, especially if you have desperation to get the extra 20% melee damage

[south folio]

PA -> l2 -> h1 feels so nice to execute

[royal vortex]

the heavy 2 has insane stagger btw

it has really good synergy with skullcrusher

h2 to knock a guy over, push attack into headshot, swap into single target combo to finish off quickly

and the h2 will consistent stagger crushers out of their swing with trauma/hammerblow stacks up, which can save you

[left iron]

I have been freed from the curse of flesh tearer

[pulsar kernel]

Alright thanks a lot! I'll try to learn all of this

[royal vortex]

godspeed

crusher is my favorite melee in the game

[north sedge]

You walk further away from God's light everyday

[royal vortex]

dude

executor/haymaker

maximum hordeclear

[frozen ibex]

Why bleed is so good

[left iron]

I was freed from flesh tearer, not Hadron being a complete asshole and locking dumb shit like sprint eff block eff on all of my weapons

[royal vortex]

f

[light holly]

Bleed on momentum knife doe?

Or just for that knife?

[frozen ibex]

If its a knife it must have lacerate or flesh tearer

[fading vale]

now post your bleed revenge video

[opaque island]

I will drown the heretics in their own blood

[late birch]

Which is better for a crit build? I can change some stuff on them. Does the special move on the crusher stagger? If some could I open with the special move then smack them to apply the debuffs?

[olive raven]

It’s not.

It’s just.

Not

[north sedge]

He knows

[olive raven]

Please one day without bleed being good in Darktide server

[olive raven]

Thank fuck

I’m gettin PTSD from people unironically defending bleed

[frozen ibex]

Wut I like bleed.

[opaque island]

yall hate on bleed like it stole your lunch money and broke your glasses or something

it works

[north sedge]

Change thunderstrike to hammerblow on the right one

[olive raven]

It can work

It doesn’t mean it’s good

[late birch]

Should I aim for lvl 4 hammerblow or just stick with a lvl 3 if it's 'good enough'

[north sedge]

Good enough

[frozen ibex]

Ogryn bleed- omg op
Zealot bleed- bad pls uninstall

[frozen glen]

wahoo another 550

[late birch]

Thank you

[opaque island]

I would say bleed works cause it enables crit before the talent tree, but with the talent tree, came much better ways to enable crit I think

[north sedge]

And leave the perks

[warm rapids]

whazt is the best stats fir the damn ironhelm mk4

[opaque island]

if you want my honest opinion on it

[warm rapids]

the best rolls

[north sedge]

Can change elites to maniac if you like, but either works

Def is only dump stat on ironhelm, can live without max cc though

[opaque island]

also all i ever hear people say is bleed is bad and cant work, not why its bad and doesnt work

[ornate bone]

Mostly because when people have a raging erection for "bleed builds" they're always running lacerate and flesh tearer

[late birch]

I managed to get hammerblow lvl 4 just now so I slapped it on, so I am lvl 4 on both

[ornate bone]

And they think it's the bleed that is dealing the work, when using those blessings they easily cap it and also have it not affected by rending

[light holly]

Well yeah I mean I think that one blessing that enables more damage on a bleed target is better than bleed

I mean like

Bleed, especially since it literally maxes out and got nerfed

Isn't that good

[north sedge]

Knife also ain't spreading bleed easily without killing the weapon like ogryn bleed or frag nades, both of which hit many things instead of like 1-2

[light holly]

Itsnjust good because yall took the talents to enable more crits on bleeding targets

But then you're liking the crits not the bleed

[opaque island]

im not under the delusion that its the bleed, i know its the crits the bleed enables

[light holly]

Yee

[frozen ibex]

Bleed knife allows me to solo clutch. Based bleed.

[opaque island]

though it is a good feeling to hit an enemy 1-2 times and keep going and you see the red hitmarker pop as your running to the next target

that is a good feeling

[dense field]

BLEED GOOD

[spare tapir]

hey guys whats the best tactical axe in yalls opinion?

[dense field]

Is that a trick question

[north sedge]

When people shit on bleed it's not scourge they're talking about, its the double bleed knife. Reaaon it's made fun of so much is because people have never stopped talking about it despite being insanely mediocre, we've also all had to carry that type of bleed knife shitter in games many times, gets exhausting

(Also bleed was broken like the first two weeks of the game and at least some people still think it's the best because of this)

[opaque island]

ive tried changing lacerate for rending backstab, but I notice i get way less crits without lacerate

i also dont play auric damnation bullshit

i can def see how it wouldnt work there

[frozen ibex]

Don't worry it works in auric.

I play bleed knife flamer there 2022 meta.

[opaque island]

maybe i should switch flesh tearer for rending instead so i keep the consistent bleed from lacerate

hmmm

[ornate bone]

Oof, I got a "lol k" from someone after telling them psykers and vets aren't squishy

I guess my guy doesn't know about psykers getting almost 200 toughness and vets doing that plus iron will

[light holly]

Vets aren't too squishy
But psykers for sure

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-flip-gif-26232902

[frozen ibex]

It's up to you but I recommend uncanny + 1 bleed blessing. I prefer lacerate on zealot since you already bleed on crit with talent.

[sturdy owl]

Just keep in mind that knives do shit damage on body shots

[opaque island]

well yea, you do 1 body shot to prock bleed, then you go for the headshot crits

[sturdy owl]

There's a few things wrong with that method

One, then you're barely using the blessing and you already have bleed sources in the class

Two, you're going to be bobbing your camera up and down a bunch and it's an annoying playstyle

[opaque island]

2 sounds more like a personal problem

[sturdy owl]

They're both personal problems if you choose that setup

[frozen ibex]

No for normal sized stuff just headshot. For maulers and ogryns/monsters you won't always hit heads and lacerate will help stack bleed to 16 very fast.

[sturdy owl]

Or you could just take flesh tearer and go for headshots all the time if maxing out bleed stacks is important for you

[dense field]

Yeah it's not like you need tdr when fighting poxwalkers

[frozen ibex]

Because lacerate can enable bleed straight away on demand, then that'll proc scourge.

[shy river]

I just go the bleed on crit and mercy killer cuz I'm lazy

[opaque island]

again when i switched out lacerate for something else I wasnt critting as often enough to feel like flesh tearer was doing what i wanted

[pseudo valve]

I feel like a sadist

[frozen ibex]

For extra crit chance.

[pseudo valve]

running knife and flamer on the same build

Yet it worked out pretty well everytime I did it

[frozen ibex]

Bleed knife + throwing knives + flamer very good and comfy build. Won't get top damage against decent players but fast af for collecting plasteels.

[pseudo valve]

Indeed. Plus the fun interaction of stealth and flamer can be weirdly clutch

[shy river]

I MUST get the green circle or I WILL shit my pants

[sturdy owl]

If you're in a crowd and attacking, your scourge will be up very shortly. If you're running blazing, you have a ton of crit active at any given time.

[frozen ibex]

[sturdy owl]

You don't need lacerate and taking it reduces your performance compared to alternatives

[pseudo valve]

Dude, I run damnation while vibing to the backstreet boys

Singing I Want It That Way while purging heretics is therapuetic

[sturdy owl]

If you're concerned about getting your bleed up quickly, just a single crit from flesh tearer gives 2x more bleed stacks than lacerate, and you don't need to gimp your regular damage or adjust your playstyle for it.

[ornate bone]

guys where did the auric damnation ammo go

[olive raven]

This

[opaque island]

just remove the bleed stack cap

[royal vortex]

that

[olive raven]

People who say this run multiple stamina and wound curios

[pseudo valve]

Well gang time to spend roughly a million dockets to hope for a godrolled flamer

[frozen ibex]

[north sedge]

There wasn't one for like two weeks at launch, and it stacked itself. This legend lives on even though it was fixed

[ornate bone]

I would half-say no to removing bleed caps

[pseudo valve]

Nice. Also fuck you.

[olive raven]

Increasing it a bit, maybe.

[ornate bone]

I think if they did that, it'd be just easy to get uncanny strike, flesh tearer and lightspam everything

[open pollen]

How do bleed caps work exactly? Just max stacks like any other effect?

[olive raven]

Removing it? Horrid

[frozen ibex]

I was gonna give it to you.

[pseudo valve]

It was an invitation.

[frozen ibex]

But now I won't.

[ornate bone]

Ideally you want the weapons to have use for their entire moveset

[north sedge]

16 stacks, whoever started the bleed is the owner of it and their stats affect it

[limpid pike]

well besides the bad perk

[olive raven]

They go to 16 and that’s it

[limpid pike]

this good right?

[olive raven]

It ramps up damage per tick exponentially until 16

But it’s just

Not a lot of damage

[ornate bone]

If you make bleed application per strike faster, knife becomes a plasma gun, where everybody only uses one attack

[olive raven]

At all

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-babyphil-gif-17972901

[north sedge]

Hammerblow to slaughterer or headtaker, sprint to unyielding

[open pollen]

And bleed is just flat damage times # of stacks?

[olive raven]

In the time it takes for bleed to deal full damage

You can just

Do one more hit

[pseudo valve]

https://tenor.com/bZTkX.gif

[ornate bone]

flat damage
Oh, you know Fatshark

[olive raven]

And kill the fuckin thing

[ornate bone]

It's probably like soulblaze

[indigo quartz]

Bleed is handy in high risk scenarios when you need run and kite

[ornate bone]

Where 2 stacks isn't the damage of 1 stack + 1 stack

[north sedge]

There is a bleed dmg table in the pins

[indigo quartz]

Flesh tearer good

Not as good as precognition

But I like it

[open pollen]

Ah, and that's still accurate, yes?

[north sedge]

As far as i know

[olive raven]

Yea it is accurate

The list of knife blessings is roughly

[dense field]

https://tenor.com/view/word-oh-thats-why-realization-wow-gif-10000098

[olive raven]

Uncanny/ Precog/Executor > Ruthless Backstab/Riposte/Smackdown > Lacerate/Flesh Tearer

Imo

[opaque island]

let me make the plague ogryn bleed so much its healthbar is just steadily decreasing

[sour sierra]

What about mercy killer

I find it more consistent that precog

[fading vale]

mercy killer just bad precog or executor

[sour sierra]

Executor is mid af

[fading vale]

it got fixed so

[olive raven]

Executor is great

It’s wildly good

[sour sierra]

I tried it and it still removes all stacks on a body hit

Or miss

[olive raven]

Yea it does do that anymore

It got fixed recently

[sour sierra]

I tried it recently tho wtf

[fading vale]

afaik it still drops on miss

idk about body hits though

[olive raven]

Yea it’s a chain hit blessing

You have to maintain weak spot hits

[fading vale]

but you should always be hitting heads granted thats not always possible in a dense horde

[shy river]

Yeah I had a sword about a week ago with it and it dropped stacks on body hit or miss

[olive raven]

But the power increase is absurd

Guys

It literally says

“Repeated weak spot hits”

[fading vale]

as far as mercy killer goes, you should be 1 shotting most things, so mercy killer never procs unless its an ogryn or monstrosity

[olive raven]

This

[fading vale]

if you dont 1 shot its a 2 shot anyways

[olive raven]

If you also do the calculations

You get roughly

[ornate bone]

Mercy killer works well with vet's bleed talent

For zealot it's more finnicky to proc

[olive raven]

400-500 less damage per hit with mercy killer

[sour sierra]

How do u 1shot a crusher

[olive raven]

Instead of running Precog

[sour sierra]

Without shroud

[fading vale]

"ogryn"

[olive raven]

Uh, enough damage

Chain weapons, hammers, max buffs, etc

[sour sierra]

Heh

[olive raven]

I hate people hsing

[sour sierra]

Arent we talking about the knife

[olive raven]

“Ih it one taps things”

[limpid pike]

hey so would you say the two blessings are good?

[pseudo valve]

Thrust good, hammerblow poopy

[olive raven]

Hammer blow to Slaught/Headtaker

[limpid pike]

and replace infested enemy with something else right?

[pseudo valve]

Probably sprint efficiency actually lol

[olive raven]

Sprint to unyielding tbh

[sharp zodiac]

Put on headtaker

[olive raven]

Infested isn’t great but it’ll give you a small buff against hordes

[limpid pike]

so thrust is good right?

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

[fading vale]

thrust is required

[sharp zodiac]

A must have

[dense field]

it's best in slot

[fading vale]

then pick from slaughterer or headtaker

[olive raven]

Sprint efficiency is sorta useless on hammer

[limpid pike]

because what i was thinking was putting unyielding on to replace infested enemy and replace hammerblow with slaughter(what i have currently)

[celest oasis]

Depends on what you want.
Either the II or the IV are servicable.
Dont go the VII

[pseudo valve]

Slaughter and Thrust will make you whack whole hordes

especially with infeste

[fading vale]

sprint efficiency is basically useless on everything

[olive raven]

Replace sprint not infested

It’s especially useless on a slow weapon like hammer

[limpid pike]

i can replace that but infested enemies is also bad

[olive raven]

yea sprint is worse

[sharp zodiac]

Nuh uh

[limpid pike]

tho i guess atleast it gives some benefits

[olive raven]

Infested will give you a small benefit against hordes

[fading vale]

at least you have some benefit yeah

[sharp zodiac]

Better having a way or damage over running

[olive raven]

Versus sprint efficiency just being bad

[fading vale]

and less likely to leave dogs at 1 hp

[olive raven]

It’s a game of figuring out which perks and blessings are the worst on the weapon and switching those

Not just “oh infested bad, swap”

[sour sierra]

I got 2 knifes rn with almost the same stat allocation, one having flakiac uncanny/precog and the other flak unarmoured uncanny/mercy killer. I find the second way more consistent in killing just about everything, while the first one needs a precog activation to kill most things especially dreg gunners

Unless u crit ofc

[fading vale]

how are dreg gunners relevant at all in this comparison

precog is the only second blessing that would buff your damage to gunners

[sour sierra]

Second knife 2shots them always, first one doesnt

[fading vale]

mercy won't do anything

[celest oasis]

Mercy killer is a fat dmg boost so no wonder it kills quicker.

[fading vale]

they have to be bleeding before mercy does anything

and I'm pretty sure you should be 1 shotting gunners with a knife

[celest oasis]

So 1 special hit, and then you do the full dmg

[fading vale]

if not then a heavy light

[late birch]

what gun is good with crusher, I am an excellent shot so keep that in mind

I am a crit melee build

[olive raven]

Yea dreg gunners will die in one or two hits to a Precog knife consistently

[celest oasis]

Scab gunners yeah, but dreg units usually have more hp making breakpoints a bit finicky

[olive raven]

Crit… with crusher?

[sour sierra]

If u proc it

[late birch]

Yeah it's going pretty good

[olive raven]

It’s fucking easy

Just dodge

[sour sierra]

If the gunner is focusing on someone else

[fading vale]

you should always 2 shot a gunner max regardless of the second blessing

[sour sierra]

I am not saying mercy killer is better than precog

[limpid pike]

also is this worth having right?

[delicate shadow]

yes

[sour sierra]

Im just saying its more consistent

[olive raven]

IAG, revolver, brauto, kant

[olive raven]

It’s absurdly good

[olive raven]

Yet it’s not

It’s just not 💀

[sour sierra]

💀

[fading vale]

it also buffs your dodges

[open pollen]

I noticed with the Catachan Devil's Claw, that flak is the second lowest damage after Carapace. Is this an instance where there's a preferred perk other than 25% flak? Or does the prevalence of flak outweigh the relatively low damage?

[fading vale]

you need flak

[olive raven]

Also take the right modifier to this keystone, not the left

The left is bait

[covert needle]

don't let the spreadsheeters gaslight you, man. your knife is magic

[fading vale]

yeah toughness momentum doesn't do anything at all

[olive raven]

What spreadsheet 💀

[sharp zodiac]

Still need flak

[celest oasis]

I mean considering how much +crit chance you get on zealots tree, is it really worth to pick precog instead of something like Mercy Killer or Flesh tearer??

[olive raven]

This is just basic knowledge

[sharp zodiac]

Heavies can help out against flak

[sharp zodiac]

Or if it's scab ragers just pa
Erry

[limpid pike]

this is what my tree looks like

for botton part

[covert needle]

um, actually

[late birch]

Which one is the IAG?

[olive raven]

Precog is better. Knife already has like 35-45% crit if you use a crit build

[fading vale]

columnus infantry autogun

[limpid pike]

tho so it would be better to replace something for that right keystone?

[late birch]

Thank you

[olive raven]

If you buff the weak point/finesse damage by 55%, your crit does fuckin nuts damage

[fading vale]

knife has 75% crit with talents

[olive raven]

Depends, show the talents

[fading vale]

mercy never applies to the first hit

[olive raven]

Yea lmao

[celest oasis]

Aint that closer to 50-65% on bleeding enemies?

[fading vale]

knife wants to 1 shot most things and will 2 shot them regardless

[celest oasis]

20% more crit vs +60% finesse dmg makes it seem less useful

[fading vale]

assuming you hit the head of course

riposte is also a solid choice

cause it lasts 6 seconds

[sour sierra]

Riposte momentum is goated

[limpid pike]

currently what i have

[fading vale]

for what melee

also drop the wounds

get momentum on dodge

[fading vale]

oh uh

[limpid pike]

for this new thunder hammer i got

[frozen ibex]

That's an interestin gbuild.

[opaque island]

is it possible for me to "salvage" this knife or should i roll for a different one

[celest oasis]

Mk3 lights and heavies are surprisingly easy to hit heads, no?

[frozen ibex]

Crit knife in the shop calling for me.

[sharp zodiac]

Ngl

[fading vale]

here is my hammer build, except with backstab CDR

[sharp zodiac]

I'd probably slap twbs

[celest oasis]

You could swap lacerate for Uncanny IV and it would be fully servicable.
Not minmaxed ofc

[sharp zodiac]

Just so you don't get hit out of your charged swing

[opaque island]

also is this just for cosmetics, i tried saving my talent builds so i could quickly swap them and it doesnt seem to do anything

[fading vale]

yeah knife needs uncanny