#zealot-class

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vale carbon
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suggestions?

brave solstice
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I live and die by the fire shotty

vale carbon
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i do wanna build out the shotguns

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but i got no blessings

glass pelican
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i suck using shotguns

frozen kernel
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Fire shotty fucks

glass pelican
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i always feel they lack power but i know is probably just a me issue

frozen kernel
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I just don’t have a good roll

glass pelican
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cause i haven't gotten a good one

frozen kernel
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So I stick to cowboy

vale carbon
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fire shotgun's big 'thing' is being able to pierce bulwarks with the fire, right?

frozen kernel
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Nothing like quickdrawing the revolver and killing ragers in groups of two with the bullet penetration

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Yeah fire shotty just kinda dumpsters most things with the fire

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Just has the downside of being a shotgun

vale carbon
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is the non fire shots good or not

frozen kernel
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Serviceable like the regular shotgun shells

glass pelican
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how good are the infantry autoguns?

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i have a couple of those

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but never use them

frozen kernel
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Someone will prolly tell me I’m wrong

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And that you should always use fire or something

vale carbon
frozen kernel
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I’d defer to them. I don’t get lucky with my rolls so I don’t branch out to new stuff as much as I get comfortable with my old weapons

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Agrippa brauto has fallen from her pedestal

vale carbon
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IAGs not brautos

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though agri brauto still seems alright

frozen kernel
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Ah, my lamentations still stand

vale carbon
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i kinda feel like i prefer the bullet hose-ness of the graia brauto

frozen kernel
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It’s alright. I feel like the columnus bangs so hard now though

vale carbon
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IAG or brauto?

frozen kernel
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Graia is raw dakka. Columnus just has so many bullets

vale carbon
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because colmunus IAG is greato

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yeah i feel like agrippa brauto has just a little bit too few shots

frozen kernel
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I’m still sad about how they massacred the flamer

vale carbon
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"massacred"

frozen kernel
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Last I used it, it was not very good anymore even with decent blessings

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You’re just so much better off using melee for horde clear and gun for specials like the God Emperor intended. No indiscriminately purging with holy fire anymore because the draw and reload speeds are terrible and they reduced the “magazine” capacity of the fuel tanks

ripe heron
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That's what knives are for.

frozen kernel
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Id sooner eat the knife than take it into combat

frozen kernel
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If I had 0 horde clear I’d want to paint my grey matter across my monitor

weary marlin
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any consensus on haymayker on the mk6 knife?

sharp zodiac
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Alright after 4 consecutive naps which accounts to 15 hours in total I am finally full awake

ripe heron
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Haymaker is fine.

autumn shadow
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And doesn’t it only get up to 20% chance

ripe heron
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That's a good chance of getting free instakills during mixed hordes.

spark raven
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i CONFESS IM A hERETIC FOR PLAYING sHOTGUN vET

weary marlin
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thinking more of just upping horde clear time potentially. I feel like uncanny carries it in every single target situation, that the other blessings (precog, exec, bleeds) arent ultra required

autumn shadow
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If you want horde clear and really nice damage I recommend a atrox Mk2 tac axe with the blessing the weak spot kills ignore enemy hit mass

weary marlin
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but i cant zoomie on tac axe

autumn shadow
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You can be near invincible with the regen toughness on heavy attack perk and the +50% toughness per kill

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I’m talking heavy attack spam to kill hordes and lights against specific enemies

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And tac axes are still stupid fast

frozen glen
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whar

autumn shadow
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And aren’t they about the same speed as a knife

left iron
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I invoke the power of pre-patch 14 chaxe during my charge in the Asian servers

ripe heron
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Tac axes have the same sprint as most weapons.

frozen glen
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stop playing on asia servers

left iron
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Nah, its funny

autumn shadow
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Teleporting is funny

left iron
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I LOVE babysitting a zealot who cant figure out how to get out of the first area of smelter while im spazzing out every time i charge okay

ripe heron
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I'm deciding to put carapace/flak on many melee weapons now to break crusher blobs.

autumn shadow
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Crushers are full carapace

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Maulers are carapace head and flak body

sharp zodiac
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Man i want to play Darktide, but also bg3

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Maybe both

autumn shadow
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And then the Karnak twins have carapace heads

ripe heron
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Flak is still flak

sharp zodiac
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At the same time

frozen glen
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u can

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bg3 is turn based ANYWAY

sharp zodiac
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True

frozen glen
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alternatively just play rogue trader

sharp zodiac
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Don't have it

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Spent my money already

frozen glen
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then ur gonna have to participate in some rogue trading

next chasm
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Bricked?

autumn shadow
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Btw what should I name a bunch of zealots

frozen glen
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3/4 but its aight

left iron
cerulean pike
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For the krumperor

frozen glen
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point blank gigabuffed burst fire go hard

left iron
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I forgor to activate confident, all of the hits would've been crits with 200% crit damage modifier

mental coral
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what blessings do we want on an eviscerator again

viral hare
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Rampage + preference (shred for crit builds, some people like sweep too)

frosty herald
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I almost thought that was inquisitor martyr

drowsy steppe
sharp zodiac
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Your answers enlighten me

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But your lighting a candle in a room as bright as the sun

drowsy steppe
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you're*

steel agate
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Both have murder so is tough choice loregryn

sharp zodiac
weary marlin
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wut, has haymaker always proced on knife push attack? spamming it on mk6 seemingly kinda descent...

sharp zodiac
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Idk

ripe heron
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Knives push attacks count as heavies.

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And they have high cleave for no reason.

cerulean pike
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Safeway got that single dad portion of ice cream

quasi marsh
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says frozen dairy dessert RIGHT THERE

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😔

sharp zodiac
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Lucerne

Sounds like some depressed old guy from Bloodborne

quasi marsh
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you might be thinking of the weapon

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from 1

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its a pokey stick

cerulean pike
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Yuri

sharp zodiac
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I might be

cerulean pike
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I will drown you

quasi marsh
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not real ice cream Sitgryn

cerulean pike
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You’re not gonna be real in a fuckin second

quasi marsh
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enjoy your vegetable oils instead of real milk

fair zephyr
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ole

sharp zodiac
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Oh my god just settle it like the old days where you stand in a random Feild and shoot one another

quasi marsh
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im not risking my life over fake ice cream

fair zephyr
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Post the sunny gif

sharp zodiac
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How about you go home and buy a monkey

fair zephyr
sharp zodiac
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Yeah that aheiibcally

quasi marsh
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i dont know if its just bc of your name

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but i noticed that the guy on the left has a very pronounced ass

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is this a coincidence or intentional

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i have to know

cerulean pike
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yuri why are you staring at asses

sharp zodiac
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Why are they not

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Gotta respect the hustle

quasi marsh
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butts

cerulean pike
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you’re going in a non shallow grave

fair zephyr
fair zephyr
sharp zodiac
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Nuh uh,

They used it wrong, it's actually yur'iue

bronze crow
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Ngl this looks pretty good

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Any changes I should make?

sharp zodiac
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It's not bad, idk the prefered blessings or whether or not they're the same as 9's

dim flax
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Hey shouties, what's the verdict on the new eviscerator? I'm getting around to building my Zealot proper and I'm wondering if I should roll for the new evis over the old one

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specifically if I'm just looking for regular frontlining

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i.e. hordes and elites

sharp zodiac
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It's good but covers the base more on single target compared to the old evisc

ember yew
# bronze crow

There's two ways that i would personally do it.

  1. Replacing Melee Damage (Spec) with Maniac and Wrath with Rampage
    or
  2. Replacing Wrath with Rampage and Savage Sweep -> Headtaker (Someone could prefer Deathblow).
    I'm not sure which one is better, since im an MK9 user
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mk6 could be different

fading vale
# bronze crow

swap both blessings, headtaker for sure and the rampage or deathblow

bronze crow
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There’s two turtolsky’s?

ember yew
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yeah

polar nexus
mental coral
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6 has more single target 9 has better horde clear

ember yew
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oh wait

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7 exist

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what does it even do

mental coral
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7 is

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mid

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lmao

ember yew
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i dont remember even trying it

sharp zodiac
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It's like fighting your drunk dad with a Lego stick

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It won't do much

cerulean pike
sharp zodiac
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No

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I do not

sinful maple
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how's the combat axe now guys? all I'm really using ATM is knife, evis and devils claw but kinda struggling to find the one I love the most
love the zoomies and the speed with the knife but struggling a lil more in damnation with it and hordes

fading vale
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rashad is one of the best weapons

sinful maple
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the MK2?

fading vale
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basically lights for everything that's not unyielding or carapace

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and run brutal momentum and headtaker with flak maniac

sinful maple
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I loved it but it kinda got a lil nerfed ages, pretty much just came back to the game and trying to find my love again

left iron
fading vale
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idk the mks but the one that says rashad

sinful maple
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I'll build that tomorrow!

fading vale
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it's super super strong

spare dome
sinful maple
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I used to love it so I'm sure I'll love it again haha

spare dome
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i made the funny number

fading vale
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and remember, don't use heavies on maniac

spare dome
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i also dont really care for this knife mark sadly

fading vale
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550 with 62 damage

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oof

sinful maple
sinful maple
fading vale
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because.... reasons?

sinful maple
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thank you man, appreciate your input

fading vale
sharp zodiac
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I just saw 3 ogryns and a zel spin around one ogryn

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I kinda wanted to join in, but I also didn't want to waste time

sinful maple
steel agate
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Is good for morale ^

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Can’t much purge when ur down in the dumps cadian soldier style

sharp zodiac
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Once I got in I wouldn't know when to stop

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Like a never-ending loop

steel agate
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That’s just the ogryn aura talkin KEKW_ogryn

fading vale
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that's when you do the sit and see if other people sit

spare dome
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does haymaker do funny stuff on the mk6

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that might be worth trying

sinful maple
spare dome
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i kinda wanna try that

fading vale
velvet haven
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What perk/blessings should I change on this wep?

fading vale
velvet haven
fading vale
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76 burn is the difference between 14 max stacks and 15

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which is around 10% DPS, only really matters for bigger stuff

sinful maple
fading vale
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laspistol, at least the old one, is just super braindead spam and you run crit chance on it

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and it surprisingly also kills monstrosities

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I don't really like using it that much except when I feel like braindead funny

sinful maple
fading vale
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kant shotty is bae though

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easily favorite weapon

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revolver is fun but makes me feel bad cause its just too good

sinful maple
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never tried a shotgun before tbh so maybe I'll give that a go

fading vale
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shotguns are also snipers

ornate bone
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Today I assblasted a hi5stg with revolver and dueling sword

fading vale
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get no respite, that is #1 priority

sinful maple
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aight I'm sold, what am I looking for?

ornate bone
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Shit was dirty

hushed knoll
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@lusty turtle I made soup, want some?

ornate bone
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Sopa

hushed knoll
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Hi Laz blobwaver

fading vale
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no respite and fire frenzy, deathspitter, or full bore

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and flak maniac

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Hi stan

hushed knoll
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What’s gucci

fading vale
sinful maple
ornate bone
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These people who don't take scattershot and full bore

hushed knoll
fading vale
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why would you take scattershot on a kant

ornate bone
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To scatter the shots

fading vale
ornate bone
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Unless the funny bug was fixed

north sedge
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These people not taking flesh tearer lacerate 😔

fading vale
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no respite is too good not to take

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and makes shotguns feel so much better at range

wind dagger
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what do you guys like on the new evis

fading vale
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people always run rampage and then it's kinda up to whatever you want to build

sinful maple
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I like rampage and shred

fading vale
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savage is nice for more cleave but not damage, helps fighting elites or for proccing crit CDR

ornate bone
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Perfect strike shred

sinful maple
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makes nice cleaves

fading vale
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shred is for crit CDR build

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some people seem to like bloodthirsty but I'm not up to speed on that

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seems too conditional for me but maybe for chaining crusher kills idk

steel agate
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I like it but there’s def better blessings u can snag instead of cool 100% crit chance

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Once

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Like moar power/damage

fading vale
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what have evis perks settled on

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flak and?

north sedge
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Maniac, carapace acceptable on new boy i believe

calm salmon
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i like maniac for ragers

ornate bone
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I take maniac and crit

calm salmon
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chastise lets me duel them in melee

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so its not a totally dead perk

ornate bone
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Since lights on chain weapons have good flak but shit maniac

lusty turtle
calm salmon
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if you're talking newviscerator

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Chastise>body check

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attack

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and you can perma stun ragers with just attacks from there

fading vale
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crit on an evis is not the way

indigo quartz
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I still dont know why eviserator is good into armor but bad against the naked people

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very strange

ornate bone
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Because the naked people have no armor to deal extra damage to

fading vale
indigo quartz
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i know why on a code level

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its just the 'why' on a design of penetration/shredder/stopping power as a statistic

calm salmon
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Newviscerator has this weird mechanic

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where the light attacks stun everything they hit

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but bosses/ogryns/mutants

fading vale
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huh

north sedge
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The push attack will check ragers too

ornate bone
fading vale
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are we talking heavies or lights

ornate bone
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Imagine not having half of your attacks not get stopped by mixed hordes

calm salmon
# fading vale huh

Yeah, it doesn't work when ragers are in their attack animation, which is why I pointed out the [Chastise>Body Check] action first.

fading vale
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5% crit chance is super low value

calm salmon
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But if you can get ragers out of their attack animation, newviscerator perma-ccs them

fading vale
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for evis

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and perfect strike is basically worse savage sadly

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granted perfect strike is secretly 4x cleave, so with shred and piety it's not totally dead

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if it was still it's tooltip it would be absolutely dead though

calm salmon
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Esplain, please and thanks.

fading vale
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perfect strike does not do what the tooltip says

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they changed it maybe patch 13ish

cerulean moth
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Feetshark lies again???

fading vale
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I think earlier though

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AFAIK it is actually 4x cleave on crit swings

cerulean moth
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That’s it

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I hate Swedes now

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Lying in my tooltips

fading vale
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ignore armor hit mass was an earlier mechanic they thought about actually implementing but it's not a thing

visual stream
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I think hidden stun immunity on a perk about grenades was the tipping point of me realizing that it's just a sport to them

fading vale
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thy grenade be swift

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I refuse to believe another reality than they intended to make it so you are stun immune during throwing grenades

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and they just fucked it up

visual stream
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With how many hidden or poorly-worded things there are, maybe your explanation makes more sense but I like my version of it being amusing to them better 😭

polar nexus
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I would run grenade in hand to stay stun immune

ornate bone
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Armor hit mass is weird

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They mean to tell me enemies have a mass

fading vale
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it was a single line of LUA that got thrown in to say stun immune

ornate bone
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But armor has a separate mass?

north sedge
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I mean they removed thy grenade be swift so obviously not intended

fading vale
ornate bone
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Chonky whale

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I take it because I can light spam on crusher patrols

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cba to do heavies when they have that shit delay after the first one

fading vale
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what are crushers hitmass, I do not know this....

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@ripe quest do you know what crusher hitmass is

lusty harness
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gunners for days in this run

fading vale
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the hell were your teammates doing

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jesus

lusty harness
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they do what pub teammates do lol

visual stream
fading vale
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pacifist run

lusty harness
visual stream
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Undertide

fading vale
lusty harness
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yeah I did revolver and mk 6 hsword

north sedge
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We had a psyker earlier that kept going down and blamed our fast movespeed for why he was so far behind

fading vale
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sounds about right for that scoreboard lol

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revolver is so fucking good

lusty harness
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it really is

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I have a hard time wanting to use anything else

fading vale
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kant shotty

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more fun but obviously a bit worse cause revolver is revolver

lusty harness
ornate bone
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Crusher hitmass is "yes"

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I think it might be uh

lusty harness
ornate bone
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Considering my cleave is like 10

polar nexus
ornate bone
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And I think I can cleave a patrol

north sedge
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Me and mankar also had a guy a couple weeks ago who vaped loudly into his mic everytime he went down, 10/10 no notes

ornate bone
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My guess is 15

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But something high as fuck like that

fading vale
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so pstrike would be 2 crushers if 20, and 3 if 15

ornate bone
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I know I wasn't getting stuck at all spamming lights

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But I don't remember if I was connecting with 3 or 4 crushers

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Well, at all on PS

fading vale
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they don't usually stack close enough to hit 3 or 4 so idk

ornate bone
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Without a crit it obviously stoped

heavy arch
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feel like that’s not that rare anymore

fading vale
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maybe Tyr is around

ornate bone
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Perfect strike, more like mayonnaise strike

fading vale
covert blade
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havn't used flamer in a while whats better to keep

fading vale
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and you are usually back dodging etc

heavy arch
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i keep getting fucked by crushers who are swinging inside a crusher who isn’t lately

fading vale
ornate bone
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Inspiring barrage might be a bit redundant

covert blade
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k

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thx

ornate bone
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Oh you mean to replace?

fading vale
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fan doesn't really do anything, already staggers enough on the puff

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only thing it might do is stagger crushers

ornate bone
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I'll fan your flames mf

fading vale
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@ripe heron do you know the crusher hitmass value?

covert blade
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yeah had both 4's to sacrifice

lusty harness
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hitmass is 12.50 for crusher on gamelantern

fading vale
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I see

covert blade
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i'm a bolter shotgun man myself so didn't really matter lol

ornate bone
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New eviscerator being this close to cleaving a crusher at base

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Mayonnaise coating

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Most holiest frictionless condiment

fading vale
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didn't realize GL has hitmass values

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not that I trust all of their data

covert blade
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well at the verry least I got shred 4 finally!

ornate bone
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Grain of salt, mesays

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After I saw that vraks 7 at columnus fire rate

fading vale
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I think new evis lights have 8 base cleave at max

lusty harness
ornate bone
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Don't they have like 11?

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At least from the stats sheet

fading vale
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oh

ornate bone
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I think it was between 12 and 10

fading vale
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then yeah, if its on the stats sheet

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I looked in the code for like 30 minutes to try and find the cleave on new evis and it just seemed to inherit old evis, but it didn't make much sense so idk

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if it's 11 then pstrike should mean 4 crushers, and savage would be 3

ripe heron
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Crushers have 12.5 but you still need a way to cleave through cadapace

fading vale
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and I also don't really know what gets blocked by carapace

covert blade
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is there an option I missed that stops heavy charge sprinting?

fading vale
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what do you mean by heavy charge sprinting

covert blade
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think I saw it was used as a cancel to h2

ripe heron
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It applies 0.25 mass multiplier and ignore armour aborting.

covert blade
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maybe misremebering

fading vale
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ah, so it's both

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appreciate the info

fading vale
covert blade
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new evic

fading vale
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no idea, not familiar with such a mechanic

ember yew
fading vale
covert blade
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think ideally I want ramp and bloodthirsty

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good for my crit build tho

fading vale
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never would have guessed that pstrike shred would actually be a thing lol

frosty herald
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MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

ornate bone
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Perfect strike enjoyers coming out of the bushes after the greenlight

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It probably deals shit damage anyway, but at least you cleave stuff and just switch your brain off

fading vale
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just have to read the code to know what it actually does

ornate bone
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Ez

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Codetide

fading vale
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yeah it's certainly a brain off thing lol

ornate bone
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I just aim at chest level on maulers and turn my monitor off

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Eventually they all die

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Dunno when, but I feel so safe I don't care anyway

fading vale
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it's about the elite discrepancy not the damage

ornate bone
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I should spawn some stuff in the psykhanium later

north sedge
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Psyker can also pump out the dmg

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Surge is like, the worst staff

elfin steppe
sly shadow
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on weapon stats for stuff like damage, how come you can get the max 80% but still not top out on the listed range

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is it possible to ever get 100%?

north sedge
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No

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Basically room for another tier if they decide to add

sly shadow
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does penetration affect the evis special attack?

shadow spruce
ornate bone
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Yo

sly shadow
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or does evis shredder always do the listed damage

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would yall cotinue rolling this w/ hadron or stop at this point

ornate bone
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The mobility stings me a bit, but I enjoy perfect strike

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Big F on the infested tho

north sedge
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Mobility is fine

ornate bone
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A choice between zero and nothing

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How joyful chadgryn

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Thank you for this eviscerator, Fatshark

north sedge
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🤔

calm salmon
ornate bone
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Apparently it reduces enemy hit mass to 1/4 and idk something else

fading vale
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yeah I asked Tyr and he explained

sly shadow
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oh, dang, i meant to roll the II anyway

fading vale
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its not 400% cleave but 4x reduced enemy hitmass

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and also ignores carapace

ornate bone
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Meanwhile run n gun still gives you a mini anointed in blood and doesn't tell you, I think

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And uh better hipfire

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Because I hate infornation

wise fog
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can this be fixed

ornate bone
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Maaaaan

wise fog
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is that a no :(((

ornate bone
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The only thing I can think of is one blessing to rampage and crit to maniac

slow galleon
ornate bone
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And suck the poxwalkers up

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Or shred and perfect strike

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And also suck the poxwalkers up

slow galleon
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I’d say crit is better than pox

ornate bone
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Depends on what you're doing anyway

royal summit
ornate bone
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It can stack with piety at least, but just having a lone 4% would sting

wise fog
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hmmn ok

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ty all

ember yew
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you better put Rampage III / IV on it

sharp zodiac
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Redditors

ember yew
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at least not youtube comments

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those are worse

ornate bone
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Savage sweep on the weapon with double-digit cleave

ember yew
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You dont need that much cleave on it

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for example

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im running this

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and i dont feel a need for more cleave

north sedge
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it works, but on the new eviscerator it's staggering enemies only since the dmg cap is 4 targets. basically you ideally have rampage + whichever blessing you prefer

ember yew
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its in weapon info

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tho i think this is the mod

ornate bone
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You don't

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The cleave damage caps aren't shown

ember yew
ornate bone
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Fatshark just adds random shit to weapons and makes you deal with it

sharp zodiac
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Wow

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Ok discord

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Late as fuck as usual

ornate bone
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The cleave damage cap is not the same as the cleave

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The new eviscerator has a cap of 4, from what I remember people talking

ember yew
#

well the idea was is that savage sweep does not increase the damage cap

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only stagger cap

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so it's not that important to use, a good QoL to cleave thru maulers and some others

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so he can replace it

naive linden
#

what is the base crit chance on a laspistol?

ornate bone
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15%, methinks

sharp zodiac
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Nuh uh, 15.0%

ornate bone
#

I will murder you

calm salmon
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@vivid hawk ggs I'll be back in I dunno

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an hour or so

ornate bone
#

Please do, we'll miss you

naive linden
#

so would 5% crit perk be good?

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maniac seems pointless since maniac damage is already so low

sharp zodiac
#

No

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Never

naive linden
#

why not

sharp zodiac
#

That 20% Crit chance isn't going to make a huge difference and that's saying if it even is additive

ornate bone
#

So you increase your maniac damage to be less ass

naive linden
#

the crit multiplier on the weapon is nuts tho

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and ofc its additive right? FS wouldn't go that wild

fading vale
#

crit perk on what weapon

naive linden
#

laspistol

fading vale
#

oh, yeah laspistol is one of the few weapons crit chance is good on

scenic moth
#

I normally play Ogryn, and I love heavy attack gameplay. What's the best heavy attack weapon I could use as a zealot?

fading vale
#

hammer

naive linden
#

whats the main idea behind the laspistol

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like sometimes it shreds and sometimes it feels like pea shooter

fading vale
#

I run crit chance flak dum dum and raking fire on laspistol

scenic moth
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k typ @fading vale

fading vale
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basically just spam the hell out of it

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and point at heads

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and it can also serve as accurate ADS as needed of course

ornate bone
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Headshots are important

fading vale
#

yes

ornate bone
#

The finesse is crackrd

scenic moth
#

@fading vale I used to use Heavy Sword mk9. Is that comparatively good next to the hammer?

fading vale
#

hsword is very very good, but very different from hammer

ornate bone
#

Laspistol is that weapon that feels like shit if your bodyshots don't crit

fading vale
#

hsword is good for heavies but not really what I would call "heavy gameplay"

ornate bone
#

But if you crit or click heads, you understand it

scenic moth
#

k

ornate bone
#

It's honestly the ranged knife

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And I want uncanny strike on it

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I want uncanny strike to be innate to every class

naive linden
#

i wish u could roll surgical on it

ornate bone
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I want my grenades to get uncanny

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I want my suppression to get uncanny

scenic moth
#

@fading vale Oh yeah, it appears as though the heavy attack was a light attack weapon for killing hordes, heavy for elites. I misremembered why I played zealot back a while ago

ornate bone
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Surgical would be fun on the new one

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On the old one I think headhunter would be very fun

fading vale
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you will crit often enough

naive linden
#

whats the diff between this one and new one

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ive been running new, its my first time using the weapon type

ornate bone
#

New one is better for shooters

north sedge
#

new one is slower firing, hits harder

ornate bone
#

I think you can one-shot all of them

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For the old one you need crit or stacked damage

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Which you could get on psyker minus the falloff

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I ran it with 6 warp charges and pre-nerf warp unleashed

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I think vet and zealot might be able to do it with a bit of tweaking

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The falloff was always the weakest part of the old one tbh

autumn vector
#

lol someone over at fatshark is doing some interesting things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USqqWelU208

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ornate bone
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It was very harsh

autumn vector
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burning decomposing flesh ambience

autumn vector
#

I'm not sure how thammer damage works but I can only assume with what chatise seems to do it its damage a thammer strike with 100% rendening would be pretty good

#

crusher with rending would likely also annihilate everything very rapidly.

white jetty
#

what are some good blessing to go for w/ zarona stub revolver?

#

surgical seems good

north sedge
#

surgical handcannon

white jetty
#

gonna swap trickshooter for surgical, anything else to improve this one?

sharp zodiac
#

Mainly to either flak or maniac

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Personal pref regarding either

atomic sparrow
#

welp god modifier bad perk bad blessing how do i salvage from total brick

slow galleon
#

Cry

autumn vector
#

get mod that allows you to change its name

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change its name to trash

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cope with thefact that one day you might be able to fix it

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and move on

#

you could try to run crit with it but

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im unsure of where your breakpoints would be

fleet zealot
atomic sparrow
#

Rev it up change to Bloodletter than have to cope with either +2 Stam or Block Efficiency

calm salmon
#

what else?

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I guess you can get away with it on some melee weapons

coarse birch
#

Blazing trauma

calm salmon
#

Yeah, trauma staff

slow galleon
#

Recon lasgun

calm salmon
#

No

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that's what headhunter is for

coarse birch
#

Some like it on purg/blazing void

calm salmon
#

crit is a dead perk

#

always grab flak/maniac on recon lasguns

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ALWAYS

slow galleon
#

I require 1000% crit

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If I see my ammo go yellow then I’ve failed

calm salmon
#

Yeah you can't do that anymore btw

#

there's an ICD on Shock Trooper

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I'm sure you could proc it on the MGIV on zealot

autumn vector
#

recon las bad

calm salmon
#

but they don't get shocktrooper

calm salmon
#

they're just "okay"

#

they're the most balanced ranged weapon in the game

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which makes them feel incredibly dogshit because everything else is stupidly overpowered

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and the community throws fucking idiotic tantrums EVERY time fatshark tunes something down

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cause they're maladjusted children with zero positivity in life and take it out on fatshark

heavy arch
#

fatshark banged my wife

autumn vector
#

in land of buff protagonist mc weapon recon las is side character who dies in second episode to having a cold

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we will never know his powa

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because columnus chad exists

calm salmon
#

Flamer and Powersword adjusted down: Collectively the community bombed the review scores

WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT.

"Hey, these weapons are stupidly overpowered(or just strong in the case of flamer) and need to be nerfed somewhat"

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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and its infuriating

heavy arch
#

it's gonna be ok

calm salmon
#

I do think that flamer should get its magazine back though.

#

At this point flamer is just kind of undertuned. Damage is fine, but the ammo economy is kind of rough.

autumn vector
#

wut you mean that ps6 is clearly not that strong right? Cearly very balanced right now. Clearly.

coarse birch
#

Yeah the health buffs didnt treat flamer well

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The only issue with nerfing stuff is rn fucking everything needs a nerf

buoyant pecan
coarse birch
#

EVERYTHING including even tree talents need to be tweaked

buoyant pecan
#

For her

calm salmon
#

perks

#

you're not wrong

sharp zodiac
#

How I'd balance the game is remove everything but their shoes

coarse birch
#

So nerfing individual things will just make that thing feel bad

verbal briar
#

whats the updated verdict on deathspitter vs fire frenzy

calm salmon
#

next question please

verbal briar
#

lmao ok

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i have a kantrael with both and im tryna fix it

calm salmon
#

Real Answer: Deathspitter is better

coarse birch
#

And people then complain because they spent 400k dockets and 8k plasteel on a now mediocre weapon

calm salmon
#

Well

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for shotties you want no respite and fullbore

coarse birch
#

Which weapon

calm salmon
#

deathspitter is just a copium blessing when you miss fullbore

verbal briar
#

the range for full bore seems kinda close doe?

calm salmon
#

You use it on ogryns and bosses

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mutants

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ragers

#

maulers

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crushers if you have chastise the wicked

coarse birch
#

It only falls off for sniping which is like 2 shots on a shotgun anyway

onyx current
#

what range? full bore condition is 'all pellets on one dude', which is almost always with 'tight spread on dodge' talent.

ornate bone
#

10k hours. everything is so damn op i beat each gamemode first try and never fail auric nerf this shi. New-Player damn how do people beat a mission at all my 300 lazgun does shi nuthin

verbal briar
#

i alr have a kantrael with flak/maniac, full bore/no respite so

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maybe im just using it wrong

coarse birch
#

Those are good blessings

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And perks

#

So you should be fine

verbal briar
#

cuz i feel like the shotguns best for sniping small elites

onyx current
#

pilgrims, what's an ongoing opinion on mk6 knife optimal blessings and combos?

coarse birch
#

Uncanny/precog with maniac/flak

onyx current
#

no bleed?

sharp zodiac
#

No

fading vale
#

or uncanny executor

fleet zealot
#

bleed is a bait

#

knife has amazing finesse damage and uncanny is the best blessing in the game

fading vale
#

if you want to bleed, the uncanny flesh tearer

coarse birch
fleet zealot
#

so you go uncanny precog for the fat 60% finesse damage, or executor for general power scaling

sharp zodiac
#

Or you can go

The dark path

calm salmon
coarse birch
#

Dont

fleet zealot
#

no crit chance

#

5% crit chance is nothing when you already have scourge and blazing piety

#

Where is exhillious to go run the dps calculation

fading vale
#

also what the hell is this

calm salmon
#

literally nothing

coarse birch
fleet zealot
#

25% damage is always> crit chance

buoyant pecan
#

A master painter who needs work

calm salmon
#

Unyielding, if you want boss damage

sharp zodiac
fleet zealot
#

just pick a 25% damage type of an enemy you hate the most

calm salmon
#

but there's no real second perk on combat knives

#

because it already has 1 shots on everything

fleet zealot
#

elites is alright cause 10% on elites is actually good

calm salmon
#

and like 2 shots on maulers/crushers

fleet zealot
#

mk6 doesn't one shot cara

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and def doesn't 2 shot crushers

fleet zealot
#

mk3 I know could probably do that

autumn vector
#

push attack two shots crusher

calm salmon
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

calm salmon
autumn vector
autumn vector
#

brain seen mk6

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went ps6

#

ignore that

onyx current
#

and what's the best single target combo for mk6? presumably, open with pushstab, but then just l1, or l1+h3, or what

fleet zealot
coarse birch
#

Mk6 push attack is strong tho

autumn vector
#

sorrys

onyx current
#

cuz for me it takes like 10+ hits vs a crusher, so i'm obviously doing something wrong.

fading vale
#

if it takes 10 hits you either don't have uncanny, aren't using heavies, or aren't using push attacks

calm salmon
autumn vector
calm salmon
#

Naw its all good

#

we all have an ogryn brain moment every now and again

sharp zodiac
#

Spy TF2

zinc talon
#

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still quartz
#

Bruh Fatsh-

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Oh

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Goddamnit

still quartz
#

You win this round...

coarse birch
#

Another person beat you to it earlier anyway

still quartz
fleet zealot
fleet zealot
#

no way

zinc talon
still quartz
autumn vector
wraith helm
#

Just remember. Don't use a knife, use an axe, more fun that way

zinc talon
#

Sure hope she's okay these days

zinc talon
#

I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass just to hear that woman fart on a snare drum

sharp zodiac
#

I

#

What

autumn vector
#

Thats....

fading vale
zinc talon
sharp zodiac
#

My YouTube won't fucking close and it won't turn off that one fucking french song

fading vale
#

why were you listening to a French song

#

sounds kinda sus

ornate bone
buoyant pecan
#

The French aren't real

#

Just like Australians and Idaho

sharp zodiac
#

What the fuck is an idaho

zinc talon
#

the french get to exist

buoyant pecan
zinc talon
#

because nobody will ever describe this weapon better

#

than in french

fading vale
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zinc talon
#

idaho potato bowl is an AMERICAN. ESTABLISHMENT

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every franksgiving it's all we talk about

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did you see that potato in the bowl

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yeah cool

fading vale
#

Idaho literally only has 1 thing

zinc talon
#

how about this potato that's been turned into a bowl

#

it's a potato. bowl.

ornate bone
#

the video is flagged for violence when i try to acces it ? wth happens in french songs

zinc talon
#

my life was never the same

fading vale
#

how tf is that video flagged for violence

sturdy owl
#

Perks for a shred/rampage crit based XV evis build?

zinc talon
#

I flag every french video I can for terrorism and violence

sturdy owl
#

I'm thinking crit chance and flak

zinc talon
#

I am trying to get france copystruck from youtube

fading vale
#

definitely not crit chance

zinc talon
#

rev it up

#

and bloodthirstyt

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crit/flak

#

and you have a dedicated twins hard mode evis

#

rev it up gets you across the room super easy

#

bloodthirsty lets you rev cleave rev cleave crit crit crit

fading vale
#

man I went to France like a year and a half ago AND ALL THE FOOD I HAD SUCKED ASS

zinc talon
#

and you can chamber that crit you just got

#

and turn around and use it to nuke elites

ornate bone
#

after a failed damnation mission

zinc talon
#

plus new evis practically oneshots twins shields

fading vale
#

they really need to like

#

look at weapon scaling

sturdy owl
fading vale
#

and what weapons are supposed to do

sturdy owl
#

I'm taking shred to enable the crit talents

zinc talon
#

But

#

Bloodthirsty

#

Is auto crit

slow galleon
fading vale
#

I assume you are at least getting crit CDR?

zinc talon
#

You can cleave hordes during gas and keep your crit stuff maxed the whole fight

sturdy owl
#

Uhuh

zinc talon
#

Shrug

#

Do you booboo I have led this horse to water

sturdy owl
#

I already beat hard mode

fading vale
#

you can probably kinda get away without piety if you have shred and scourge, but your base crit chance is low

zinc talon
#

I cannot force it to drink

sturdy owl
#

I'm looking to straighten a weapon up for general use

sharp zodiac
#

Yes you can

misty raven
ornate bone
#

never seen a good martydom zealot. probly never will.

fading vale
#

I still wouldn't run crit chance perk though, it's just not worth

#

Marty is easily the strongest zealot build and the most survivable

misty raven
ornate bone
#

tell that to the lfg marty,s that say no dont heal me 5 sec later they die to a poxburster cuz push is a myth

fading vale
#

people that go to 1 wound and stay there are just stupid

zinc talon
#

Martyr mains deserve to stub their to each time they sit down to play

misty raven
fading vale
#

you don't need to do that at all....

zinc talon
#

The same toe

#

Every play session

ornate bone
#

Normalize healing marty zealots that are one sneeze away from dying

misty raven
#

But if I'm low with not a lot of corruption and someone else could use a heal, they can have it

fading vale
#

literally just play stupidly aggressive and heal when you can

#

with bleed for the emperor

#

and whatever else

#

and you won't die

ornate bone
#

No, I can't play aggressive without willingly endangering myself first

zinc talon
#

I trap martyr zealots in airlock with medboxes

ornate bone
#

If I am not with 2 health there's no risk and no reward

zinc talon
#

^me with the meds

ornate bone
#

Nevermind the other many bonuses

#

the real big brainers are those that say. im just standing in this fire real quick for my buffs.

zinc talon
#

Luna

coarse birch
#

I just give heals to whoever has the least wounds/most corruption

fading vale
#

speaking of which what happened to contra, haven't seen them in a bit

zinc talon
#

Lunaaaa

coarse birch
#

I always feel bad taking it if its not 4 charges anyway

zinc talon
#

LUNAAAAAA

ornate bone
#

i just take all heals cuz teammates are a myth made up by lizard people

coarse birch
zinc talon
coarse birch
#

They popped in a little bit ago

#

Been a few days though i think

fading vale
#

ah, so not banned for dipshittery or what not I guess

coarse birch
#

Not that im aware of

polar nexus
#

@zealous basin

coarse birch
#

Actually i cant see him through pings

#

Hm

zinc talon
#

Are those fucking banana peppers in a bloody mary

#

Cuz god damnit if that's a clamato so help me

#

Euros appropriating Texas culture

fading vale
#

the revenge bleed knifer is no longer with us lol

unborn depot
#

Big E just gave me "ranged attacks? Lol. Lmao."

zinc talon
#

Yeah got one of those myself

coarse birch
#

Oh the guy that posted the video

zinc talon
#

I never use it cuz its not a bolter or flamer

delicate shadow
#

that's actually a smexy brauto, you can turn that into a real nice one

zinc talon
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@sharp zodiac lunaaaaaaaaaaa

sharp zodiac
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What

zinc talon
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Get your party panties on

sharp zodiac
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Wh

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Huh?

zinc talon
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I'm finishing my dinner donuts

fading vale
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I prefer FF deathspitter on my brauto cause big funny damage hold m1

zinc talon
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Then we goin on a date

unborn depot
zinc talon
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To purge heretics, I heard you like that sorts stuff

sharp zodiac
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I don't think the dates gonna work

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I'm already taken with another woman

zinc talon
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You think I'm kidding, whataburger sells em

zinc talon
fading vale
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this what I use I think

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old screenshot obv

calm salmon
ornate bone
fading vale
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after ammo buff

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it don't matter at all

calm salmon
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fair

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but it is ammo economy

coarse birch
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Lazorr i thought you were the guy who ran all 70+

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Did you lie to me

zinc talon
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In case you actually think I'm propositioning you staregryn I'm trying to play with euros across the pond to get a feel for how my connection can handle playing at high tiers with that kind of delay

fading vale
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on damage stats yes

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but if I get a god roll with ammo dump, I don't mind

polar nexus
zinc talon
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So I will babysit and pertec

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While you euros get free wins

unborn depot
fading vale
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like the hammer I use has 51 CC sadly

unborn depot
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I'm sitting over here using Fire frenzy TWO ffs

fading vale
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but it's perfect otherwise

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damn

zinc talon
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also I am damned good at doing the movie voice so you'll get to hear the dulcet timbre of my baritones throughout the map

coarse birch
fading vale
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only like a 3% attack speed loss so

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whatever

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not that I'm not still rolling for a better hammer....

unborn depot
coarse birch
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Yeah 58

ornate bone
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when? FS

fading vale
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I couldn't turn down trip 80s

unborn depot
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very familiar

coarse birch
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I dont blame you lol

fading vale
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that's a nice hammer

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IF ONLY ONE OF MY 550s WAS BETTER

unborn depot
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I've been riding the ironhelm train for the last few weeks but crucis is very special to me

unborn depot
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sub-70 damage or pen always make my dick invert

sacred vessel
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thats alot of hurt

coarse birch
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My crazy ironhelm i never use 😭

unborn depot
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you should, it claps

coarse birch
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No elites though sadge

unborn depot
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getting picks through hordes is big good

coarse birch
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Also lazorr i think contra did get banned

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Or he dipped

fading vale
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ironhelm just makes me feel sad that it doesn't feel like a hammer

sacred vessel
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i never played with the iron helm TH

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what sets the two apart?

unborn depot
zinc talon
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ironhelm remembers your combo

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when you power up

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it doesn't default to L1 H1

coarse birch
fading vale
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oh, well I guess I'm not surprised about the ban but didn't expect it

sacred vessel
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and which ones "better"?

zinc talon
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imo the best hammer

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is the crusher stop using the hammer jesus

unborn depot
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Wasn't my ban, but I gather that he was repeatedly warned about some variety of shitposting and then continued anyways

north sedge
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🤔

zinc talon
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wait this is now pertinent to me

coarse birch
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He did shitpost

zinc talon
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all I do is shitpost

sharp zodiac
coarse birch
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Did you get a warning

fading vale
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contra annoyed a lot of people so I get it

zinc talon
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have not received one yet, no, but I would like to ask about a comic

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Gawain I think it was you perhaps

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I'll post and then remove and then ask

fading vale
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there's shitposting and then there is shitposting

zinc talon
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so I do a bunch of these

north sedge
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Gotta be like me and only pisspost, no trouble that way

zinc talon
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and I made a comic

sharp zodiac
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Be like me and frenchpost

unborn depot
heavy arch
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hon hon hon

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je suis monte

coarse birch
fading vale
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simply stevepost

zinc talon
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I've since cropped the comic

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to be above mam's black bar

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to keep the humor but remove the accuzations it's porn...? like how can people junmp to that conclusion

unborn depot
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honestly my problem with that post isn't the ladies its the political hot topic in the center panel

zinc talon
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anyway, just wanted to ask if things like that would land me on the wrong side of the hammer

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got it

unborn depot
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just photoshop an ogryn over him and you're good

fading vale
zinc talon
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ha

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the thought did cross my mind

sharp zodiac
zinc talon
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people gonna be SENSITIVE as the electon gets closer for sure

coarse birch
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What if i don't have a steve

sharp zodiac
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Get a sleeve

fading vale
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get a Steve

zealous basin
unborn depot
zealous basin
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im on a 9 hour road trip so

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i cant drink yet...

coarse birch
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Ew

sharp zodiac
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It is 2 in the morning and I've made another coffee

zinc talon
sharp zodiac
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For the purpose of this vet course

zealous basin
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i aint had a bloody mary in a monute

zinc talon
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no steve only codie

zealous basin
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damnj

ornate bone
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what il show my barber for the next cut

unborn depot
gilded bridge
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Does limbsplitter still only apply if you don't attack for 3.5 seconds?

polar nexus
coarse birch
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Im not sure actually ive never used limbsplitter

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Even when it was funny with helbore

ornate bone
fading vale
zinc talon
zinc talon
sharp zodiac
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magnifique Oui?