zealot-class

[olive raven]

Dodge, Dodge slide, kill them, use cover

[dense field]

Martyrdom related talents makes you quite tanky and by damaging yourself you just surrender 1/2 of your build

[ebon granite]

Rager goes past toughness sire

[mental coral]

what?

you mean you don't play on 2 wounds of hp

bruh

[dense field]

No they don't

[mental coral]

why are you playing martyrdom lol

[olive raven]

Not if you have 212 💀

[ebon granite]

How do you achieve 212 for Zealot marty

[olive raven]

Martyr is a passive

[olive raven]

3x toughness curios.

[dense field]

When your toughness is not 100% you get chip damage, that's it

[olive raven]

With toughness perks

[ebon granite]

...

[olive raven]

And then further damage reduction

[ebon granite]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-mouse-like-thumbs-up-rat-thumbs-up-gif-26155558

[echo grove]

As i have understood martyrdom since back in VT2, you grow more powerful over the course of a mission as your health chips down

[olive raven]

You get a similar result from the proper use of martyr

But rager packs are easy enough to handle

If approach, back up

And then blast them with a ranged weapon

[true kindle]

some builds can

[olive raven]

Or use proper left/right diagonal dodges to get solid kills in

[native cargo]

[true kindle]

chastise without any CDR talents is alright but not nearly as plentiful as e.g. ogryn or vet regen

[echo grove]

My preferred rager tactic is eviscerator to back of spine while theyre tenderizing someone else

[true kindle]

I like momentum on the mk15 evis, its comfy

[olive raven]

Why are we

[native cargo]

why are we

[olive raven]

second wind exists

I know not all builds use it

But even then

If you arent going for second wind

You can get toughness regen from other nodes

[dense field]

ewew

loner

killing things

[olive raven]

Not loner 💀

[royal vortex]

the only blessing u really need on new eviscerator is rampage so it doesn't hugely matter anyways

[olive raven]

Wait I mean

Sorta

But coherency regen is eh

[true kindle]

loner sucks big donkey ass because coherency regen is disabled in melee combat rofl

[olive raven]

Like not even eh it’s meh

[true kindle]

ewew and on-kill regen are just slow

[native cargo]

The new evis is the only thing weapon I'd put momentum on. The thing covers so much ground you can put stuff that'd be eh or a waste on other weapons on it.

[true kindle]

compared to other options

[native cargo]

Its wild

[true kindle]

yeah

exactly

[echo grove]

I dislike people who take loner, or stealth

[olive raven]

But you have second wind, EWEW, chastise (as a whoops too low toughness), momentum regen, shroud regen, chorus

[royal vortex]

i love loner/stealth users because they make redditors mad

[native cargo]

^

[true kindle]

it works out of the box so well you just slap rampage on it for more free dmg and then you basically have a blessing slot left over that can either go to shred on crit dr builds, wrath/ss if you want more cc, or momentum if you want more sustain

[native cargo]

Sometimes the occasional madness is funni

[true kindle]

and be totally fine whatever you do

[olive raven]

Tbh how slow are you killing then 😭

[true kindle]

look I am an ogryn main

I am used to wayyyyyy more toughness regen than that

[royal vortex]

ewew should've been nerfed to actually do what the tooltip says instead of being 8.333%/sec

they overcorrected a lil bit

[olive raven]

You are used to being spoonfed toughness via heavies yes ik

[true kindle]

or confident strike

before patch 13

ogryn toughness regen has always been superior to anyone else

[olive raven]

Yes because they overcompensate for them being a big fuck

[true kindle]

mhm

so when I put momentum on the mk15

[olive raven]

Which makes me

Fucking infuriated seeing

[true kindle]

and played it like I played bull butcher in the days of yore

it felt like home

[olive raven]

Multiple wound or HP ogryns

When toughness is RIGHT THERE

[true kindle]

hp ogryn was good before the fire nerf

now?

full toughness babyyyy

send it

[olive raven]

toughness is always better

[zinc talon]

you think huh

[true kindle]

toughness is better until you have no toughness

then hp is better

[olive raven]

tanking sniper shot via toughness alone is insane

[true kindle]

but now you cant really get instastripped of your toughness anymore

so I will say it's always better

let's put it this way: 570hp beefcake ogryn is more forgiving, 220 toughness halo overshield ogryn is more optimal

[zinc talon]

that tracks, yeah

[true kindle]

I also go full toughness curio on zealot now so momentum is even more value

it's just a nice build

[zinc talon]

straightforward

running almost that right now

[hidden verge]

is this a good axe? 😄

[olive raven]

Finesse is a little low, perks need work but you could make it work

With a couple adjustments

[blissful sinew]

i want to run this but getting anything more than a 16% toughness curio feels frickin impossible and those come by rarely enough

[hidden verge]

I guess flak + maniac as usual?

[olive raven]

The % difference is negligible

Run 15/16’s if that’s what you have

[hushed knoll]

Hey hank when are we sharing a meal together

[olive raven]

And then HP/Toughness/Gunner res for perks

[royal vortex]

stan.

do not attempt to kill the mods

[olive raven]

You’ll have quite enough HP and toughness from that

[native cargo]

What kinda meal

[olive raven]

Wouldn’t waste the locks

[native cargo]

What is the hell is that

[open echo]

whats the cc combo for the new assault chsword?

[olive raven]

The blessings + perks don’t give much wiggle room

But Thunderous to headtaker/decimator or brutal momentum

[hidden verge]

look like some gourmet food from 6 star michelin

[olive raven]

And infested to flak or manic

[olive raven]

Stop

Please

[royal vortex]

please god not the floppy bacon

it's so awful

[olive raven]

Please goss

[native cargo]

That is a health hazard

[olive raven]

My grandma who doesn’t even cook with pepper

Makes better food than Stan

[dense field]

Posting this should be a bannable offence

[royal vortex]

suddenly salad was wild

[hushed knoll]

Floppy bacon is superior

[royal vortex]

a superior method of delivering food poisoning

[hushed knoll]

Josho you aren’t a flirt

[royal vortex]

yes

[hushed knoll]

Frog

[olive raven]

Stan

[royal vortex]

damn that's kinda rude

[north sedge]

Lol

[royal vortex]

😦

[hushed knoll]

I meant frog

[olive raven]

What do you put on your salad

[hushed knoll]

Rematch

Ranch

[north sedge]

No don't ask this

[olive raven]

What else

[hushed knoll]

Or blue cheese

[royal vortex]

alright

[north sedge]

Run

[royal vortex]

stan has added an addendum to my name

[olive raven]

This isn’t bad yet

[dense field]

That's some hardcore autocorrect

[hushed knoll]

Josho i mean you’re not a frog

[royal vortex]

i very clearly am a frog

which means u meant flirt

[hushed knoll]

No

[north sedge]

Josho knows the layers of burger salad

[hushed knoll]

Have you heard of burger salad

[royal vortex]

[olive raven]

The fuck

Is

Burger salad

[royal vortex]

oh my god

no

not again

please

[olive raven]

Stan

Am I gonna be horrified

[royal vortex]

stan is about to list the entire contents of his fridge

[dense field]

I DON'T WANNA KNOW

[olive raven]

You abomination

[royal vortex]

and claim it is a salad

[olive raven]

Stan, come square up in Copenhagen rn

If what you post

[royal vortex]

sneedenhagen

[olive raven]

Is rancid

[olive raven]

Snusenhagen

[hushed knoll]

Pieces of cold leftover burgers, lettuce, carrots, tomatoes, tortellini, almonds, cranberries, onions, olives, cubed cheese

Blue cheese dressing

[olive raven]

Stop talking.

[hushed knoll]

It’s good

[olive raven]

We fought wars over spices

[royal vortex]

im almost certain there's more

[olive raven]

And this is what you do

[royal vortex]

fwiw

[olive raven]

I don’t want to know

[hushed knoll]

What is fwiw

For what it’s worth

I got it

[olive raven]

No

[royal vortex]

he got it

[olive raven]

Nothing you eat has worth

[hushed knoll]

That’s my usual salad base

[olive raven]

You would make someone who is literally starving feel full looking at your food

[hushed knoll]

You can swap the burgers out

[royal vortex]

EGGS

that's right

[hushed knoll]

Oh yeah eggs

Hardboiled eggs

[native cargo]

If you give me cheese I'll be happy. What can you do with cheese

Culinary artist

[royal vortex]

this too

apparently

[hushed knoll]

Oh yeah forgot

[fading vale]

[hushed knoll]

Thanks Japan

[royal vortex]

NO

STAN

YOU BITCH

[native cargo]

Cheesem

[hushed knoll]

No just

Josho

[royal vortex]

GOD

DAMNIT

[hushed knoll]

ITS NOT MY GOD DAMN FAULT

[royal vortex]

IT IS ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT

[olive raven]

Stan

[royal vortex]

YOU BURGER SALAD CREATING BEAST

[olive raven]

What’s your favorite cheese

[native cargo]

NOW ITS JAPAN!?!?

[north sedge]

Japan is not a flirt

[hushed knoll]

Cheddar

[native cargo]

Mhm mhm

Nice choice

Nibble on the cheddah

[olive raven]

Not a horrid choice

[fading vale]

are we talking like, hard cheddar

[royal vortex]

flacid cheddar

[olive raven]

Probably melted cheddar if it’s Stan

[royal vortex]

i miss dj foivh

tbh

[polar nexus]

I am French and I must say. Cheddar is my favorite.

[fading vale]

like some Tillamook white sharp cheddar

now that shit slaps

[fleet zealot]

I could do with some cheddar

[royal vortex]

i'd like heroin personally

[fading vale]

oh god stop

[royal vortex]

the stantatoes

[hushed knoll]

Hard cheddar is fucking amazi no

Amazing

I literally just eat a block like an apple

[fleet zealot]

Harder cheddar is hard to find use for

Like i bought an extra sharp reserve cheddar small block

[true kindle]

[fleet zealot]

And it was so dry and strong it barely vibed on a cheeseburger

[zinc talon]

aged cheddar has very little lactose because it's been so well digested by the mold that lactose intolerant people can havei t without much issue

if any

[fading vale]

eating it straight or with some like, German mustard with honey in it and crackers/bread and maybe some various cured meats

[violet hornet]

Just three cheese wedges and some watery drywall dust and you have a nice gruel

[fleet zealot]

I think medium<->sharp is my favorite range

[zinc talon]

texas has a lot of smoked cheddar too

[royal vortex]

I Can't Believe It's Not Corpse Starch!

[hushed knoll]

What’s the best way to eat a loaf of bread

[zinc talon]

put it in a room temp smoker for a couple days and brown out the outside once it's cut from the rind

[echo grove]

Zealot chat is not where i was expecting Food discussions

[echo grove]

Go full medieval peasantcore and cut a thick slice off and eat that carb-loaded goodness dry

[royal vortex]

oh no

[trail grove]

What's a good Bolter build for Zealot?

Sniper Bolter or Auto Bolter?

[echo grove]

Magdump bolter

[fading vale]

pinning fire and surgical/cavalcade and unyielding + flak/maniac/carapace

[echo grove]

Bolter is a magdump kind of weapon to begin with, feels

[zinc talon]

don't listen to them it's also laser beam accurate at range

[fading vale]

not if you have suppression immunity aka vet

[zinc talon]

you can snipe very well with it

[hushed knoll]

Exactly

Laz agrees

[trail grove]

It's basically a fully auto stubby Barrett M82.

[fading vale]

I do not agree

[verbal thunder]

Boltor has amazing range

[echo grove]

The sway turns me off enough to just dump it unless theres a bomber i cant immediately evi

[hushed knoll]

With sliced bread I like to scrunch it up into a ball in my fist

[trail grove]

I mean THIS stubby.

[verbal thunder]

Take the Vet perk that gives you no sway at a stamina cost, Cubic

[fading vale]

the sway and suppression on bolter is pain

[verbal thunder]

And also the one that gives suppression immunity

Bottom left tree

Turns it into a sniper

[echo grove]

I use the bolter on zealot

[violet hornet]

This is what I imagine all of Stan's food sounds like

[trail grove]

I have the Sniper Boltgun on Veteran already

[echo grove]

I use the new heavy pistol on vet

[native cargo]

Ngl I also like to ball up bread for some reason

Probably the one thing I do that stan does

[hushed knoll]

Mmm Caesar salad pizza

[fading vale]

I can't really recommend shattering impact on bolter much anymore cause it's only 4 stacks of 2.5% per shot

[native cargo]

I can actually imagine the smell

[trail grove]

So, related to the "sniper" thing.

[native cargo]

I'm dying

Help

[echo grove]

[trail grove]

What's the best sniper for Zealot besides revolver?

[fading vale]

kant shotty

[royal vortex]

this is fake. they fucked up ur order

don't pass this off as ur own creation

[fading vale]

or headhunter 3/7

I'd prefer the 3 though

[echo grove]

It sounds like a meme but laz is correct the kant shotgun has stupid range

[north sedge]

And you didn't even like it stan

[echo grove]

I can 2-Tap snipers from across the amphitheater in the carnival with the kant

[fading vale]

lawbringer also functions, agri is like passable and has a slug which I'm not a big fan of but some people like the slug

[hushed knoll]

It is definitely not my creation

I ate it all the same

[royal vortex]

🐷

[hushed knoll]

Extra creamy Caesar cups too for finger eating 😍

Your finger is gods natural spoon

[hushed knoll]

Cheese

[royal vortex]

genuinely disgusting

[hushed knoll]

Also cold nachos are way better tbh

Like nachos with cold unmelted cheese

[hushed agate]

Barbarian

[north sedge]

Stan doing his opposite day food again

[hushed agate]

What?

Opposite day food? Never heard of that

Is that like eating food you normally dont

[north sedge]

If it's supposed to be hot, he likes it cold

[thorn imp]

Why did this guy do this

[north sedge]

If it's supposed to be cold? Best warm

[thorn imp]

knife bad

back to poe

[hushed knoll]

Hot and coke both have different merits

[hushed agate]

Icecream?

[hushed knoll]

Cold

[thorn imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/900279927138578432.webp?size=48&name=deadge~1&quality=lossless

[hushed knoll]

😍

[north sedge]

He microwaves it to a disturbing degreee

[hushed knoll]

Microwave

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

HI ICE

[hushed agate]

When you stand before the gates of god do not expect him to look kindly upon you

[faint marsh]

gm chat hope everyone is well today

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-attacking-water-dog-viralhog-dog-playing-with-water-jet-of-water-gif-4427646937562200072

[queen tangle]

Hello germers. I have a lil question which may be hard to specifically answer. Might be depending on build, I know BUT in general.

I never know what the best blessings and pers to use on the Curios. Like, what are the best ones in general, and those you always pretty much wanna go for? I know that Zealot for example wants wounds. But in general.

Thanks :)

[royal vortex]

he got banned for witch hunting

he had like

a grudge

[hushed agate]

Gunner resist ability regen toughness health

[native cargo]

He nourished that grudge for a month

[hushed agate]

Stanima regen

[native cargo]

Fucking can't even

[royal vortex]

u never go wrong with toughness/hp both as perks and as base curio stats

gunner res is good, ordos is ok, a corruption or sniper res (wouldn't ever do more than 1) is fine

[glass pelican]

dear knife zealots

stop running ahead and dying

i ain't picking your ass up

[hushed agate]

You shouldn't be gitting hit by snipers in the first place just work on dodges

[north sedge]

Also zealot only wants wounds if you're doing martydom build

[hushed agate]

Dont look at me

[royal vortex]

audio cues bug out, the game will have scenarios in which you physically can't move, etc

i don't run it. there's a valid reason to though

[steel agate]

Jokes on you I run in with a chainaxe because I got a gun with stripped down

[hushed agate]

I have never had my audio bug out

[steel agate]

I get downed to melee and only melee, maybe

[royal vortex]

yeah u have u just didn't notice it

[frank night]

cos it was silent

[steel agate]

^

[royal vortex]

happens to literally everyone

[frank night]

u have never had

the second sniper

incident

[royal vortex]

it's map dependent but enemies are definitely not playing sound cues properly unless ur chillin in malice

[hushed agate]

For being hit because i cant move that's happened a handful of times and i have four level 30s

[steel agate]

We’ve all been in a pox horde once and boom a “stealth” enemy pops into our through process cuz he just got into frame

[native cargo]

Getting a knife to do this rn

[steel agate]

Ready to strike

[royal vortex]

i have 2k hours in this game that's not really relevant

[glass pelican]

already met 3 knife zealots in a row

[echo grove]

I dont understand people who play knife

[steel agate]

I got a copious amount of hours 2 pal, I don’t bring ‘em up to keep neutrality

[royal vortex]

perk choices for curios aren't hugely impactful. there's not a huge amount of competition

a sniper res is fine

[hushed agate]

If ive played the game for as long as i have and only gad that happen to me a few times why ever take sniper resist when i could get like

Bomber resist

[echo grove]

You get flamed infinitely less for bringing "odd" or "peculiar" trinket perks than anything else

In part because no one can check them, but still

[glass pelican]

knife zealots be like, let me run around the map and die while doing shit damage

(some knife players are good but fuck me they are rare)

[royal vortex]

a bomber res is fine but also not really doing much in the post fire-nerf world

[native cargo]

Because extra ordo docket is better trust

[hushed agate]

Ive been hurt by bombers more than snipers also im p sure theres a bug rn that makes fire ignore toughness

[native cargo]

Get them riches

[hushed agate]

I have a vid of it going right through my toughness

[royal vortex]

trying to use a situational damage resistance as a counter to another situational damage resistance isn't really getting u anywhere

[steel agate]

lol ya is like finding a ogryn pal that won’t run into ur LoF

[hushed agate]

Im just saying how often do you ever get hit by snipers

[steel agate]

Sure u may find a few but they’re few and far between

[royal vortex]

probably more times than i am taking damage to bomber fire

[royal vortex]

but i don't run either

[hushed agate]

Maybe its a skissue then

[frank night]

most ppl afaik run a mix of toughness/hp and then gunner resist

[glass pelican]

can never have enough gunner resistance

playing ogryn made me hate them

[hushed agate]

^

[glass pelican]

despise them

[hushed agate]

Gunners and trappers

Bain of my existence

[drowsy steppe]

What in the sweet hells

[frank night]

bombers at the mo arent threatening until there's like

5

or if something else spawns

[ornate bone]

hes showcasing his new zealot build

[hushed knoll]

It’s sweet heaven

[hushed knoll]

Hi mittins OwO

[frank night]

helo stan

[olive raven]

shit happens tbh

as Josho said, audio issues. But also mutants, trappers, being surrounded and unable to dodge, etc

It’s sometimes very nice to have

[hushed agate]

You know i will say if youre doing like

Auric dam

Sniper resist is probably a good choice

Also sniper gauntlet

[faint marsh]

i always go gunner resist lol

fucking spawns packs of them so infuriating

[frank night]

Japan p much just only included it as a side option

we're not talking something we think you MUST take

[olive raven]

Yea

The most typical curios are

[frank night]

goal posts are squeaking as they slide across the field

[olive raven]

HP/Tough/Gunner

[hushed agate]

I want shotgun resist

[north sedge]

Sniper resist is more of a "ok to have a bit if you want" not necessary

[olive raven]

The other things are a mission specific thing tbh

[hushed agate]

?

[faint marsh]

i have hp curious on my zealot and i love it. 335hp is really nice

[olive raven]

Or if you are for some reason doing grims

[faint marsh]

mini orgyn build

[olive raven]

Just

Use

Toughness

Please god

[faint marsh]

toughness is waste

[hushed agate]

I was admitting i was wrong tf you mean im moving goalpost

[faint marsh]

esp with fury etc

[olive raven]

You smoking some good shit if you think that

[hushed agate]

You want me to take it back?

[royal vortex]

we want you to give it to charity

[faint marsh]

also remain coherent. ik that’s not usual for a knife zealot but if you remain coherent ur toughness does well

[frank night]

true good cause of ur choice

[royal vortex]

coherency shuts off in melee

[olive raven]

Toughness is unironically the best choice for zealots unless it’s a martyr build

[royal vortex]

zealot is like the worst class for coherency regen

[olive raven]

COHERENCY DOESNT APPLY TO ZEALOTS 99% OF THE TIME

[royal vortex]

not to say it's particularly outstanding because it's a bad choice in general anyways

[olive raven]

coherency regen is disabled in melee

[faint marsh]

fury

[olive raven]

Which is what you do

[faint marsh]

god

[olive raven]

99% if he time

[frank night]

(fatshark will not tell u this)

[hushed agate]

Useful for flamer support build

Thats it tho

[olive raven]

As in chorus? That’s just a positioning matter

[royal vortex]

if your argument is "i am running invocation of death" im proud that u could abuse something wildly stronger than it should be but not every build takes that

[faint marsh]

toughness per kill. like do enough damage and you should be fine lol

[bright atlas]

fellas. need it or keep it?

[olive raven]

You do know it’s

5% right

Not 5 toughness

So more toughness prevents more chip damage

And you regen more per kill

[faint marsh]

yes kill enough enemies and you won’t go into your health bar

[olive raven]

Meaning even less

[faint marsh]

and if you do your health should be like 300+ lol

[royal vortex]

the whole point of taking toughness is you're not really taking that much damage from melee enemies outside of stray overheads (sometimes dragged into you by teammates) and it gives you more survivability vs ranged enemies

[olive raven]

^

[faint marsh]

the literally only thing that gets me anymore is trappers because of sound bug

[olive raven]

Literally makes ranged nullified

[royal vortex]

yeah the game is ez this isn't something ppl disagree with u on

[modest pagoda]

They really need to put in a T6 or T7 mode

[placid fiber]

until insert pub moment

[modest pagoda]

T5 with the current power level people have is easy even on Auric

[royal vortex]

what they actually need to do is player nerfs across the board

but ppl wouldnt be happy

[lean lark]

nah

[royal vortex]

so it remains to be seen what they do

[lean lark]

the correct thing t odo is

[frank night]

they're still traumatised after the vet nerfs

and the toddler tantrums

[lean lark]

add t6 then massively nerf the player and keep the difficulties unchanged

t6 will be balanced on current player power

[modest pagoda]

Pretty much. Players in PvE games have an absurd hatred for nerfs even when they're warranted, so adding a new tier of content is one of the only feasible ways to balance the game without enraging the frothing manchildren

[royal vortex]

the closest we should ever have to t6 is auric damnation, im already sick of the stupid arms race between players and enemies and they just need to roll back the power creep

[hushed agate]

True

[royal vortex]

the game has always had the problem that elites aren't threatening

it's why hishock existed

[lean lark]

muh ogryn stupid and big strong so he needs to be strongest and dumbest to play!!

[faint marsh]

or they could just leave the player power alone and make t6 basically unplayable

[royal vortex]

there is a fundamental issue with how combat works rn

[faint marsh]

that sounds fun tbh

[lean lark]

muh zealot preacher!!!!

[royal vortex]

all of the melee elites need a redesign, most enemies really

[hushed agate]

Revolver needs nerfed but watch half the fan base shit there pants in rage when it gets nerfed so you can insta kill monstrosities

[faint marsh]

bring back old fire and truly endless hordes

[faint marsh]

already was nerfed why on earth should it get nerfed again

[lean lark]

those would do nothing of meaning

[hushed agate]

Wait it was I havent used it much

[hushed knoll]

When did vet get nerfed

[native cargo]

Revolver is cool af

[hushed agate]

I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS ALREADY NERFED

dont bully me i dont read patch notes

[native cargo]

Good

[frank night]

originally the first meltdown was due to the power sword one

[native cargo]

Don't read em they're lies

[faint marsh]

if rev needs nerf so does thammer and knife and any other 1 shot weapon and that’s an r worded take

[frank night]

then the first rework

[hushed agate]

Idk why theyd complain its still busted

[royal vortex]

zealots had their own mini-mald about flamer

(the bad ones anyway)

[modest pagoda]

Warframe is a really good example of this actually. The game got powercreeped so hard that the devs have to give every "endgame" boss damage attenuation but even that's been gimmicked out of being relevant. They also have to put a faction into nearly every new content update they release now and they put a hard daily cap on the XP you can earn for it, otherwise players just beat everything within release day and complain the game has nothing to keep them interested

[hushed agate]

As a wf player this is true

There are weapons that deal like 10x damage compared to others

[faint marsh]

fortnite figured this out by releasing their xp stuff weekly

[graceful musk]

is there meta melee rn?

[hushed agate]

Fold shovels are nutty rn

[faint marsh]

i did enjoy / hate fortnite for that but it was smart. kept the engagement long term

idk how exactly you’d implement quests beyond milk though bc the systems are too different. fortnite is just purely neoliberal goyslop while dt is still a game at the end of the day, doesn’t entirely base itself around fomo

[native cargo]

Still unusable

Broke the flamer smh

[zinc talon]

flamer's fine

[hushed agate]

"Neoliberal goyslop" thats a new one

[modest pagoda]

Yeah Flamer is ok, it's just not the "turn the game off for everyone but you" machine it was before

[hushed agate]

Write it down

[faint marsh]

north america is ran by mesoamerican corn demons. no i will not elaborate

[zinc talon]

I made some videos about Why You Think Flamer Sucks

[echo grove]

The amount of people that have an utter freakout session about numbers being changed in a videogame astounds me
That and those who call every weapon they dont like bad

[zinc talon]

And What To Do About It

[hushed agate]

Flamer could use a lil buff but thats it its still decent

Nothing huge

[modest pagoda]

BUT WHY NERF IN A PVE GAME BROOO IT'S NOT PVP LET US HAVE FUUUUUNNN. WHY RUIN MY POWER FANTASY WAAAAAAAAAHHHH

[zinc talon]

Flamer Tips and Tricks video seminar^

[echo grove]

Indeed, these are people who want to play damn like its sedition

[ashen quartz]

i want to see a revolver nerf bc the meltdown would be funny

[hushed agate]

Based

[faint marsh]

i would have a complete bpd moment

do you have any idea how long i’ve spent rolling revolvers and i’m still not even satisfied

[modest pagoda]

Same lmao. I love the revolver but even I want to see it get tapped with a small nerf just to see peoples reactions

[faint marsh]

easily like 5 million dockets on revolvers in the past week

[modest pagoda]

The gun is basically a pocket plasma gun

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-man-mdr-sing-gif-7692927

[hushed agate]

FIVE MILL

DAMN

[faint marsh]

seriously@i would be on suicide watch

[ashen quartz]

you're insane lmao

[wintry cloud]

https://prnt.sc/JZhY5JE4lAqZ

[hushed agate]

I spend like

[wintry cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-bad-vibes-throw-it-whats-going-on-gif-16325118

[queen tangle]

Sorry to budge in again, fellas. This is just a lil info I gathered from asking all the different classes which curio blessings and perks they would use.

X Gunner Resistance (10)
VIII Health (8)
VI Toughness Regen (6)
II Stamina Regen (2)
VIII Toughness (8)
IV Ordo Dockets (4)
I Corruption Resistance
V Sniper Resistance (5)
II Wound (2)
I Bomber Resistance
I Flamer Resistance
I Stamina
I Ability Cooldown

Would you say this feels accurate? :)

[hushed agate]

200k and have one i like

[wintry cloud]

gimped by the fucking first target

[modest pagoda]

If you asked this when Bombers were using Napalm in their grenades you'd likely get a very different set of responses.

[faint marsh]

yes but i want everything i like on it

sometimes i’ll get a 379 and then gaydron ruins it

i’m lucky i have 3 controllers

[olive raven]

tough/hp is mandatory tbh, Gunner res as well but it is the one that can be varied

Typically you want

3x tough and 3x hp

But then you could do

[keen silo]

does bleed ticks count as crit as well?

[faint marsh]

best i’ve gotten

[ebon granite]

Probably because grinding one weapon are terrible tbh

[olive raven]

2x gunner 1x sniper

For example

[hushed agate]

Bro thats a groll

[ebon granite]

If FatShark gonna nerf my weapon down to the ground to make other weapon good, that mean I need to go through the grind cycle again

[modest pagoda]

Bruh that's a fine enough roll. It'll already obliterate anything in the game atm

[faint marsh]

tier 3 makes me mad and the stats aren’t perfect enough for my ocd

i have a gambling addiction

[modest pagoda]

The game is too easy atm for anything more to actually matter

[zinc talon]

oh so then you like stuff like this

[olive raven]

Rule of thumb is anything that’s not Tough/HP/Gunner you should only have 1-2 of max

[ashen quartz]

perfect target for fs

[ebon granite]

I wouldn't say too easy as your teammate still have "Deciding factor" whether your gonna win or not

especially Mael Auric V

Just fuckin suck to play those mission where Vet decided to not use melee

[keen silo]

is this a zealot weapon??

[faint marsh]

i want mobility to be garbage with the others at 80, i want flak and maniac and tier 4 hand cannon and surgical on it. it’s been a lot of work to get this revolver, and i still haven’t gotten it

[faint marsh]

infuriating

[zinc talon]

I'll get to those when I swap

[olive raven]

No

It will suck more but it’s always winnable

[modest pagoda]

Shitty teammates are always going to be an issue, but I'm more so talking about when it comes down to individual performance. Enemies in this game atm just get obliterated without you even trying even if your gear isn't "literally" perfect thanks to the insane powercreep we've had.

[faint marsh]

also mad as hell about this because i want flesh tearer 4 and flak instead of cara

easily spent another couple million on knives

[zinc talon]

SAINTY KLAWS

[ebon granite]

Always could win, but it just suck to play in Auric Mael as the only 1 or 2 person competent

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pudding-dean-winchester-supernatural-yas-yes-gif-10893165

[ebon granite]

What kind of Powercreep does this actually mean? The Talent tree rework?

[obtuse stirrup]

Hi guys, I'm trying to get into the chainsword action atm but idk which ones are the better ones to use

I've got the old Evis MkII atm

[faint marsh]

i like mk 18

[zinc talon]

start out with either of the eviscerators

or.

[obtuse stirrup]

but I'd be up for an assault chainsword too

[modest pagoda]

Yep, sucks, but it's still managable when it probably shouldn't be considering it's literally the absolute hardest content we have right now and it doesn't even need all 4 people to be good to beat it

[zinc talon]

if you have other smol characters rolled

the assault chainsword can be shared across all 3

[faint marsh]

i like to go fast

[zinc talon]

chainaxe across us and vet

[obtuse stirrup]

I've got everything at 30

[zinc talon]

lemme throw some ideas at you then

[obtuse stirrup]

I just tend to stick to builds I know and like atm because I'm scared of being a deadweight

[faint marsh]

also shut up on the tier 1

[ebon granite]

I mean if you play VT2 before, it was worst back there

[faint marsh]

this was my first weapon ever

[obtuse stirrup]

so I've been doing nothing but heavy sword IX + zarona for ages

[ebon granite]

1 cracked guy can always just solo the highest difficulty with ease

[graceful musk]

matyrdom back at it

[ebon granite]

But Darktide dont feel that much on that side

[ebon granite]

I played too much and I still yet to get to "True Solo" for Mael Auric V

[faint marsh]

ah yes a chain axe

[zinc talon]

I have a new chainaxe in headtaker/slaughter and thrust/brittle

[echo grove]

Darktide has way more shooters and toughness instead of THP, it is infinitely more difficult to solo

[zinc talon]

I feel like headtaker ekes out thrust

[faint marsh]

broken fucking game i love it

[zinc talon]

new eviscerator is a ton of fun with rev it up and bloodthirsty

[ebon granite]

Yeah... you aren't rewarded for fighting/killing as much as possible and you need friends to get your toughness back up

[zinc talon]

because it cleaves on light 1 chainsaw rev

[ebon granite]

Zealot does have passive that does the same but not THP

[zinc talon]

can rev, cleave, rev, cleave, crit crit crit every time

[keen silo]

what does this mean actually
does critting increase the death count of "25" to trigger piety?

[faint marsh]

each crit counts as a death yes

[ebon granite]

Critical Hits also count as +1 stack instead of people dying nearby

[placid fiber]

Gotta love it when you're looking through old pills and you find 1 pill in a bottle that doesn't seem quite right. That's why I usually google the pill numbers and letters to find out what I am taking for sure >.>

[zinc talon]

chainaxes are the hardest hitting of the 3 by far, two or three of mine can oneshot anything except bosses

[north sedge]

Errr there's so much toughness regen available

[faint marsh]

yes toughness regen through talents is the way and then stacking health curios

[zinc talon]

eviscerators cleave (Old) on rev up and heavy1 and (new) rev up and light 1

[keen silo]

also is the +10% at the end of piety tree worth it
does it just make the total crit 25% from blazing piety?

[zinc talon]

and the new eviscerator auto-revs on push stab'

[faint vapor]

Brb putting +30% toughness regen on my curios UwU

[graceful musk]

i can finally fight crusher

[modest pagoda]

It will add a stack as if an enemy had died

[zinc talon]

and if you cleave several

[left torrent]

at melks worth getting and how would i fix this?

[zinc talon]

is it per target or per swing

[placid fiber]

each crit gives a stack

it's per target iirc

[obtuse stirrup]

The new evis sounds a bit better than the old one

maybe I just couldn't get to grips with the swing pattern on it

[ebon granite]

Trust me, THP in VT2 are way stronger than Toughness Regen in DT

[lean lark]

what the fuck

[faint marsh]

if you do crit build with fury and a crit knife you basically never lose toughness unless you’re completely cornered and left alone

[left torrent]

also does anyone know how point blank works?

[modest pagoda]

Replace Point Blank and Poxwalker/Groaner damage

[lean lark]

people run more toughness regen than toughness itself

[zinc talon]

new chainsword has very easy to blend light and heavy combos but each swing in particular can be wonky to learn

[obtuse stirrup]

I'm going with push attack -> heavy for cleave and I'm just flailing with whatever for single targets

[zinc talon]

it has a cleave 3 attack loop, a single target nuke loop, hack n slash heavy loop

[placid fiber]

which is sad since toughness regen speed only affects coherency regen

[obtuse stirrup]

since none of it seems to make sense

[ebon granite]

One is call regen, another is I fuckin kill you to get hp

[modest pagoda]

Replace Point Blank with Handcannon, and change Poxwalker/Groaner damage with Carapace or Flak or whatever you want personally

[graceful musk]

wait.... she got turn into servitor?\

she was an alive personnel is it

[faint marsh]

this games stats are so fucking esoteric lmfao

[graceful musk]

or it has been this way

[zinc talon]

used to be a guy

[faint marsh]

like what the fuck does brittleness mean

[obtuse stirrup]

It's a fate too good for a traitor, tbh.

[hushed agate]

SPOILERS

DELETE

[obtuse stirrup]

Armour reduction

[zinc talon]

it's a flat 5% reduction to whatever their resistance is

so like

if they resist 70% of your damage

[graceful musk]

ic

[zinc talon]

each stack is 5% of that 70% total

[fading vale]

2.5% rending debuff that stacks 16 times

[zinc talon]

not, 5% per stack, up to 70%

[faint marsh]

how does a girl who just picked this game up a week ago supposed to ever infer this

[obtuse stirrup]

It's similar to Rending, except that it affects your whole team rather than just you

[faint marsh]

esoteric ass game

[zinc talon]

you aren't

[fading vale]

it's not 5% anymore

it's 2.5%

[obtuse stirrup]

hang out on reddit and discord basicly

[zinc talon]

stop sweating over tooltips and go body horror heretics

[obtuse stirrup]

only way I learn shit

[faint marsh]

literally why i’m here

[modest pagoda]

Google. That's it tbh.

[placid fiber]

Discord, don't go to reddit lol those idiots don't know shit from shinola(or however u spell that)

[zinc talon]

pop into ogryn chat

[obtuse stirrup]

let the local techpriests tell you their secrets

[zinc talon]

and ask Fireant, Hank, Puri, or Grond

[faint marsh]

reddit is kek i don’t go there for anything besides cooking

[zinc talon]

Hadzi too

they're the ones that wrote and compiled the ogrynomicon

[warm trellis]

if it makes you feel better, you can beat anything in this game without knowing about these minutiae

[zinc talon]

so they know a thing or two about a thing or three

[faint marsh]

yes but i’m obsessive

[obtuse stirrup]

The ogynomicon is absolutely excellent

[warm trellis]

well then welcome to the discord you will be here forever

[modest pagoda]

Agreed. The subreddit is pretty bad lmao. Most people on there play at Malice or below it feels like.

[obtuse stirrup]

you can take it as a starting point to build literally every ogryn weapon

[zinc talon]

just @ them with your question and prepare to not like the answqer

[obtuse stirrup]

wish every class had a resource like that

the psyker one is pretty good too but not as well made

[zinc talon]

they're in the works

[fading vale]

feel free to ask me too, I know more or less how all the mechanics work and all of zealot

[placid fiber]

Lazorr is the goat, for knowledge

[obtuse stirrup]

because as everyone knows

ogryn are the smarterest

[frank night]

post steve

[faint marsh]

okay here’s a question

i run chorus

i like chorus

[olive raven]

it’s good but not an end all be all

[obtuse stirrup]

It's a great starting point though

[faint marsh]

is right or left supporting talent more worth it?

[placid fiber]

Play chorus then

[faint marsh]

damage or toughness after 5 pulses

[obtuse stirrup]

if you want to build a weapon and don't want to brick it by bad choices

[zinc talon]

I can also be a resource

[olive raven]

it’s a starting point sure but it’s also has some things that are eh

[obtuse stirrup]

it's invaluable imo

I don't agree with all of its talent valuations

[placid fiber]

Probably depends on the party composition tbh

[obtuse stirrup]

that part I prefer to wing for myself

[modest pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-6112271

[olive raven]

Tbh I never take either buff and just apply the extra point somewhere else

[obtuse stirrup]

but the weapon building is excellent

[faint marsh]

i’ve been using damage chorus but i always wondered if toughness chorus does anything

or is it just bait

[fading vale]

usually you don't run a supporting talent, not worth a point imo, but for stuff like twins you want more damage resist I think

[zinc talon]

build what they say to build then go back and figure out what sucks

and tweak it til it's yours

[faint marsh]

thanks!

[faint marsh]

had to do this with knife

[obtuse stirrup]

That's one thing this game has done really really well actually

build flexibility

[faint marsh]

they suggested precog and uncanny but i missed bleed too much

[obtuse stirrup]

is astonishingly good now

[olive raven]

I don’t disagree that guides are valuable. Things can be valuable but not be the epitome of knowledge

[placid fiber]

STEVE!

[obtuse stirrup]

Yeah, there's definitely always room to iterate and improve off of the guide

[placid fiber]

@faint marsh This is the real MVP of this discord

[drowsy steppe]

Steve-o!

[frank night]

he looks meditative

[warm trellis]

also if you don't believe it without seeing it with your eyes, testing one talent you're unsure of is a lot less daunting than testing the whole build/tree

[placid fiber]

Steve

[frank night]

excellent steve

[placid fiber]

Lazorr is the hand by which Steve is given

[fading vale]

also you probably want creature spawner mod for testing stuff

[thick nacelle]

Anyone remeber the exact day when the pirate looking outfits wee realsed in the Commodore shop plz ?

Just want to know how many days left for the next rotation

[zinc talon]

next thursday or so

[faint marsh]

steve cat

love@gim

[placid fiber]

10/10 is too low a rating for Steve tbh

[placid fiber]

@fading vale Hey Lazorr, have you see Josho... erm, I mean the frog, lately?

[native cargo]

Japan

[fading vale]

one more Steve

[native cargo]

Is a very violent frog

[hushed agate]

Holey shit!!!1

[fading vale]

Josho was here earlier

[native cargo]

No that was japan

[fading vale]

and Stan renamed him to Japan

[placid fiber]

Japan? lol

[native cargo]

Josho is a sensible person. Japan is a very violent frog

[placid fiber]

Stan thinks Josho is as big as a country?!

[dusky plinth]

Guys do you know who is counted when the blessings say gunner resists on curios

[fading vale]

no he just can't spell

[placid fiber]

oh lol

[fading vale]

gunners and reapers

[placid fiber]

I can't spell sometimes, but, I am pretty sure I spell better than Stan... also I try to correct my mis-spellings :/

[placid fiber]

Not steve, but, I love that color pattern on cats

[fading vale]

they do not look very pleased about having their picture taken

[hushed agate]

Theyre always grumpy

[placid fiber]

😮

[hushed agate]

I still love them

[native cargo]

Box cats

[warm trellis]

the cat shipment

[fading vale]

the head kinda gives me psyker vibes but looks cool overall

[placid fiber]

Box Cats in the Cat Box?

[native cargo]

Box. Cat.

[native cargo]

Cat box

[placid fiber]

Aww that one looks like the cat my family had... 😦

[fading vale]

gotta love Calicos

[signal prism]

She's a cutie

[native cargo]

Cate are

Great yes yes

[placid fiber]

Cat pictures help lower the blood pressure, except to those with a cat phobia I guess :/

[fading vale]

my old roommate had a calico

[hushed agate]

How could you be scared of something so stupid

[placid fiber]

They are silent, I guess?

[fading vale]

weird thing about calico cats is they are pretty much all female

[placid fiber]

The silent thing is what gets me about spiders , since they can all of a sudden be within 2 feet of me and I didn't even know one was there >.>'

Spiders are fascinating... but I don't want one within 5 feet of me >.>'

[frank night]

bonus steve

[zinc talon]

they work on hydraulic pressure, they don't have scaffolding and pulleys like our bones and muscles

everything works via their 'heart'

that's why they curl up when they die, no more pressure to keep their legs extended out

the most they can do is a kind of hiss from scraping parts of their exoskeleton

but all bugs breathe through passive membranes instead of active respiration

so their size is limited by the raw % of oxygen in the air, bigger than that and they don't get enough air and suffocate

[placid fiber]

except for when they have uricating hairs

yeah their lungs are super inefficient

[zinc talon]

yep those just are designed to be like hydroponic needles

hollow and brittle

and they come back each time it molts

[placid fiber]

for flicking at danger's eyes n such

[zinc talon]

I had a tarantula I brought home from summer camp for a while as a kid

they're real docile animals, they know who you are and whatnot

[placid fiber]

My friend has or had one that did that to him, so that's how I learned about uricating hairs

[zinc talon]

only time I got caught up in those hairs was moving an old molt outta the cage

[placid fiber]

I don't care how docile they are, I don't want one to be walking on me

[zinc talon]

heh

[placid fiber]

I have a phobia, but, I can somewhat control my reaction to it

too close to me, though? SMASH

[zinc talon]

sure, it's a wild thing to have

were you bit as a young kid

[placid fiber]

Within a reasonable distance? Ooo, aren't you a neat fella

[placid fiber]

No, I have no rational reason to be afraid of them other then that I startle easily

and they don't really make noise...

so I easily startle from it being that close to me

[zinc talon]

except the skitter

heh

[placid fiber]

which causes a phobia reaction sometimes

[zinc talon]

I'm being a dick and poking the barriers a bit

[placid fiber]

Now one spider I might not smash is a jumping spider

[zinc talon]

I never had a big caution to em, I was just amazed as a kid they're not like, idk

cats

who wake up and choose violence every second

[placid fiber]

I've heard good things about them, and I just gotta help feed it to cause them to be more "friendly"

[drowsy steppe]

Steve looks so cute

[zinc talon]

they're actually skittish little docile horror movies that don't have a mean bone in their body

cuz they uh

don't have

bones

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[placid fiber]

they focus on survival and generally don't use a full bite of venom, unless they are aggressive spiders

[warm trellis]

they also realize how much fucking bigger you are and that they can't just leave like cats can

[placid fiber]

why waste venom on something you won't eat? :/

[warm trellis]

cats still choose violence pretty often

[placid fiber]

Cats are equipped to deal with problems bigger than they are

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/daladada-cat-crying-cry-scream-gif-24748831

[placid fiber]

scruff of the neck lol

[hushed agate]

I want someone to put the mutant charge sound over this

[placid fiber]

That would be funny

[steel agate]

WAAAAAGGGGH

[placid fiber]

I might have something gimme a minute

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-tts-ending-warhammer-40k-gif-238833891737651337

[placid fiber]

How's that? lol

[hushed agate]

Thats good lol

[placid fiber]

I don't know how I timed that that perfectly for that part of the mutie scream lol

[drowsy jackal]

[exotic portal]

When she says she can change him.

[placid fiber]

It... it can at least... you know... um... yeah...

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/italian-hand-fancy-glove-suit-gif-8085361

[placid fiber]

I think the jerky movement at the end matches how muties are more or less

[solar gorge]

deaf by 24

[zinc talon]

WOT

[solar gorge]

larkin never heard the birds sing ever again

when you get the weapon customization mod

do you see other people's custom shit or is it all your work

[hushed agate]

Bigger means shoot harder

[placid fiber]

@fading vale What do you think of my edit? :3

[hushed agate]

@zinc talon do you have another ogryn also called cousinokri?

Other than that one

[solar gorge]

there's dozens of cousinorkis

[hushed agate]

Oh there is?

[solar gorge]

hundreds even

[hushed agate]

Saw one the other day

[solar gorge]

It's a character in Vermintide 2

[hushed agate]

Ah i see

[steel agate]

Okri’s a god amongst men to my knowledge

With how highly bardin speaks of him I have no reason to disagree

[trail grove]

God amongst men!?!

[sharp zodiac]

There's only one Luna and that is me

[dense karma]

cousin okri is a hero of the karaz ankor

[hushed agate]

Going to go make another character called luna brb

[placid fiber]

Dwarfs is probably more accurate

[echo grove]

Damn straight

[trail grove]

You take that back for dissing Cousin Okri by comparing him to umgi!

[steel agate]

I lack concrete info on him I’m sorry okri enjoyer

[placid fiber]

"Luna BRB" sounds like a fine name

[steel agate]

Been like a fat year since I’ve touched verm 2

[trail grove]

(Just a joke)

[keen silo]

guys i need some insight
how does agri grauto's firing even work
either the spread is terrible
or all my shots are missing
which shouldnt be possible

[placid fiber]

are you bracing it?

[keen silo]

brauto*

yea

[copper hawk]

Dont use the right click

[keen silo]

oh wtf

[placid fiber]

Do not brace it

[copper hawk]

It makes the shoots have a flat pattern

[zinc talon]

do I have....two? ogryn I play named cousinokri?

[copper hawk]

And makes it less accurate

[zinc talon]

in an infinite universe I spose its possible

[keen silo]

why would that even be a thing
for horde clearing?

[copper hawk]

Use just the hipfite

[sharp zodiac]

Why is this message back

[placid fiber]

bracing a brauto is a bad idea lol

[copper hawk]

Hipfire*

[sharp zodiac]

That message was from yesterday's convo

[faint marsh]

don’t brace it literally ever unless you’re just suppressing enemies to help a teammate out

[steel agate]

It’s never a joke to disrespect okri so is fine

[drowsy steppe]

I am so sorry

[placid fiber]

mine*

[sharp zodiac]

You have nothing to be sorry if you've done none wronh

Right?

[zinc talon]

^all shots in a horizontal line, explained

[frank night]

wronh

[sharp zodiac]

Blow up

[faint marsh]

i think we should all@say sorry

[frank night]

on twitter ?

[drowsy steppe]

wronh

[sharp zodiac]

Oh my god

Nvm

[frank night]

i member the flame bug when an ogryn vaguely looking down that hallway would have vaporised everything in it

[sharp zodiac]

Fuck you

[keen silo]

so whats the use of bracing in these guns actually

[sharp zodiac]

I sentence you to crawfish torture

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-gif-20441011

[frank night]

crawfish

[drowsy steppe]

wtf is crawfish torture

[sharp zodiac]

That is how you spell it

[frank night]

https://tenor.com/view/cray-claw-crayfish-dance-gif-13796920

[sharp zodiac]

You'll see

[frank night]

so far I have made it two whole minutes without breaking

[faint marsh]

sentenced to 100 years of listening to mourningstar song

[zinc talon]

this is what your braced auto does when it fires in a horizontal line

it makes level terrain horde clear super easy

[zinc talon]

because there's no up and down buck for the shots to stray and miss

[hushed agate]

Good song

[zinc talon]

you can aim at head level, watch your angle by firing in bursts, and ruin a horde's day

[frank night]

iirc bracing is not just 'i would like to move slower with a different reticule' since some changes

[zinc talon]

nope

[zinc talon]

agrip penetrates multiple enemies

the other one fires much much more rapidly

and I guess yours fires in a lawbringer line

[hushed agate]

Why he so foolish😭😭

[frank night]

Orange

[copper hawk]

Y u so gnarp gnarp ?

[ornate bone]

Orange everytime

[hushed agate]

Rename this chat to cat chat

Outlaw zealot talk

Noone uses it for that anyways

[sharp zodiac]

What the fuck rhymes with orange

[hushed agate]

Borange

[sharp zodiac]

That is not a word

[copper hawk]

Ringleader

[ornate bone]

F u

[copper hawk]

Bornana

[ornate bone]

I was gonna say that

[hushed agate]

Ha

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-tone-deaf-bornanna-banana-gif-25077140

[steel agate]

So is boranana but a pair of m&m s was able to get away with it

[zinc talon]

I made a friend

[copper hawk]

Made a fiend

[zinc talon]

in weapons customization

[sharp zodiac]

Because he had 20 of them it's like the peemen you can't stop them

[zinc talon]

he smiles

[hushed agate]

Wait thats a lawbringer?

[zinc talon]

but those beady little eyes