zealot-class

[calm salmon]

with all of the enemy spawn rate changes

[coarse birch]

i loved mk5 ripper too

thing shredded

[calm salmon]

Like, sure, they're fine on regular damnation

or fuck, even just high int auric

[coarse birch]

doesnt help rending is insane

[calm salmon]

but as soon as you go into hi-stg

its just a dead weapon

[royal vortex]

rending/brittleness being something u can grab in talent trees for free is uh

awful

terrible design

the only time it should really exist is if you ult like with gunlugger

[calm salmon]

why the fuck does onslaught even exist

[royal vortex]

onslaught is cancer

rending strikes is cancer

etc

[coarse birch]

idk why they made rending so good and then put rending everywhere and uncanny exists

[royal vortex]

if uncanny didn't work on DoT

[calm salmon]

its okay on marksman focus

[royal vortex]

it would be less awful

[calm salmon]

because only 1% of players are maintaining 10 stacks of MF

[polar nexus]

I thought it was 9 because everybody said hs9 was best. ,

[coarse birch]

yeah it does so much rn

[royal vortex]

yeah

dude at least its not

old AB wildfire + slaught fsword

[calm salmon]

thunderous bleed mk3b

[royal vortex]

where ppl would unironically defend the playstyle of ulting once and staring at poxwalkers

like how are u having fun doing this lmao

[coarse birch]

people were so sad then they god rid of that

and its like

[royal vortex]

oh no it was even worse with thrust canceling

[coarse birch]

bro you didnt play the game

[calm salmon]

I just like making things bleed when they have rending applied to them Exhi

its not a huge boost in DPS

[royal vortex]

it was 135% power if u had kant shotty + thammer

[calm salmon]

crushers aside

but its just funny

[royal vortex]

and this was when kant shotgun went through walls

u could delete rooms in the airlock

i remember when crab posted about the hand cannon bug before p13 and i thought it was pointless

[coarse birch]

og kant was funny

[calm salmon]

no, thunderous on the mk3b basher is for the 80% rending

[royal vortex]

and then p13 made it so incredibly powerful

[coarse birch]

esp cause plasma sucked back then

[calm salmon]

cause that's fair and balanced

[ripe quest]

I see it as no different to running an Uncanny/Bleed knife.

[coarse birch]

its was literally better plasma

[calm salmon]

let me just delete this beast of nurgle in melee

[royal vortex]

kant shotgun went through bulwark shields before plasma lmao

[calm salmon]

even though I'm not zealot

[olive raven]

funnily i love seeing vet mald

[calm salmon]

I mean, batter is actually like. . . kinda good though.

[olive raven]

when they have one of the most versatile and strong classes

[calm salmon]

Since it comes from the skill tree

and not a blessing

[royal vortex]

batter is one of the dumbest talents theyve ever put in the game

[ripe quest]

Thunderous applies 16 stacks of 2.5%. It's not 80%.

[coarse birch]

we simply need access to 80% rending idk what your talking about

[calm salmon]

oh yeah, that's right rending on it got nerfed

And still no updated tooltip

[coarse birch]

FS moment

[calm salmon]

But yeah, 40% rending+80% damage on mk3b basher is kinda dumb

[ripe quest]

The only nerf was how many swings it takes to get 40% brittle.

[royal vortex]

dominate and batter both warp how weapons work

[coarse birch]

it caps at 100 anyway doesnt it

[royal vortex]

i want them to completely rework ogryn toughness regen because its incredibly uninteresting

the bigger problem is the baseline DR you get

[coarse birch]

yeah ogryn toughness regen is unreal

[royal vortex]

the 36% tdr 20% hp dr passive is still in the game

on top of additive 10% tdr nodes

FNP, etc

[coarse birch]

not that we dont all have good access to stupid toughness regen

[royal vortex]

i think ogryn is the worst designed class in the game and they need to like go back to the drawing board

[ripe quest]

Rending past a 1x ADM gives 1/4th of an effect. Rending bonuses cap at 100%. Brittle and Rending share the same cap.

[royal vortex]

because running around with 70% tdr for fkin breathing is not a good place to be in

[strange kestrel]

ogryn makes the game way too easy

[coarse birch]

good thing he cant get it back easily 🙂

[strange kestrel]

WAY too easy

[royal vortex]

ogryn was easy as hell if u were running the like 1 good loadout

bb/ripper

[coarse birch]

yeah old BB ogryn

[red spindle]

is this even worth upgrading or swapping blessings on or should it go into the incinerator

[fleet zealot]

ogryn punished bad players pretty hard

[coarse birch]

was still monitor off gameplay

[fleet zealot]

cause they would just stand in the open and get wrecked

[ripe quest]

Even Clobber/Ripper was super easy on old Ogryn lmao

[strange kestrel]

thats a bric

[fleet zealot]

ahh that's fucked

[strange kestrel]

brick

[fleet zealot]

such a good stat spread too

[strange kestrel]

0/4

[gray ice]

@ripe quest Still seems capped at 4

[coarse birch]

dead

[royal vortex]

not if you didn't play like a dumbass they wouldn't

[red spindle]

FVCK

[calm salmon]

everything makes the game way too easy

Vet sorta kinda no

[gray ice]

one of multiple attempts to do so

[royal vortex]

you walked at the ranged elites holding m2 m1 on the ripper

[calm salmon]

depends on how good you are at melee mechanics

[strange kestrel]

oh yeah you reminded me

[royal vortex]

or just bullrushed into them and meleed with cs bb and never took real damage

[coarse birch]

there was also way less elite gunners back then iirc

[strange kestrel]

i saw your ping about quasimorph and i forgot to reply cuz i was mid auric damnation

ive been playing that game as well

[calm salmon]

yeah shits pog

[ripe quest]

Lynchpin was taken at the time for a reason. Also Gorgon and some Rippers handled old ranged enemies fine.

[strange kestrel]

very fun game

[calm salmon]

I really like quasimorph

the deaths still don't feel great

[strange kestrel]

its cool

[fleet zealot]

ogryn was slow melee and fast melee enemies took advantage of that, it was also during the era of ogryn heavies being a massive bait even tho their entire feats were built around heavy attacks

[calm salmon]

but I'll get over dying eventually

[strange kestrel]

its so hard

[red spindle]

what should i be looking for on knives?

[strange kestrel]

yep

[fleet zealot]

and people would just stand in the open and get chipped to death

[royal vortex]

my problem with ogryn is you can't even opt into more complex gameplay

[strange kestrel]

i die all the time

[calm salmon]

Oh

I've only died twice in 30 hours

[royal vortex]

there's very few options for actual skill expression or learning

[ripe quest]

I wonder what causes that. I'll take a look.

[fleet zealot]

like the stereotypical old shieldgryn

or the ogryn charging into a room only to go down to all the shooters

[coarse birch]

i feel like this entire game lacks complex gameplay

[clear notch]

so lore accurate

[royal vortex]

most classes have loadouts that require far more effort than others

ogryn like

does not

[coarse birch]

fair

[ripe quest]

I distinctly remember Mk VI Ripper would just turn crowds of anything into paste. If shooters were grouped they were gone in a burst.

[royal vortex]

u can't take any interesting talents like the on-dodge stuff for zealot because ogryn has none

[ripe quest]

Was so fun, I should play Ogryn more.

[coarse birch]

GG is semi interesting to me

but its not super complex

[gray ice]

Yuh, cuz when I first read that patchnote, I too thought it meant DB would extend to 5 but I don't know if that's just it not working like I thought, or the change not actually being implemented

[calm salmon]

Nothing on ogryn is actually complex

I blame some of that on the playtesters, fairly or not.

[royal vortex]

another thing to keep in mind is if u play enough the complexity of the game itself (not dying, dealing damage effectively, target prio, etc) becomes routine

[calm salmon]

"Ogryn isn't smart, he shouldn't have weapons with complex and varied movesets"

the closest we've got is the mk4 cleaver

[royal vortex]

idt the people struggling in heresy are gonna be like "game easy lolol"

[calm salmon]

and that's so OP its braindead

[coarse birch]

yeah part of me wonders how much of it is that

[royal vortex]

i played an entire hishock match on autopilot because i was arguing with stan

buuuut

i have 2k hours

[calm salmon]

This is why I picked up veteran.

Zealot got too easy with the new patch

[coarse birch]

i mean i did a HISTG yesterday where i got hit a total of 1 time

[calm salmon]

so my cope for ogryn boring was taken away from me

now I'm using vet to have some form of difficulty back

[coarse birch]

so like yeah you can def just autopilot after a certain point

[calm salmon]

and not taking damage is uh

surprisingly hard

VoC being up notwithstanding

[north sedge]

Did your see he thought bono was a Jamaican rapper

[calm salmon]

with it up, vets as braindead as everything else

[royal vortex]

yes

[calm salmon]

without it though, shits terrifying

[royal vortex]

oh u werent there for it

[clear notch]

this is the point where

[coarse birch]

i cant not take VOC

[royal vortex]

have u seen the "don't talk to me or my son ever again" image

[coarse birch]

it is simply too good

[north sedge]

At some point yea

[royal vortex]

stan couldn't figure out

what the joke was

at all

[clear notch]

you unequip any defense talent that zealot has to get some difficulty back into the game

[north sedge]

Lol

[royal vortex]

i got so mad i just refused to explain it to him

and then he started trying to figure out if the joke was the names

i wanted to die

[royal vortex]

all i wanted was shout ult when p13 came out

and i am happy

i do miss 100 overshield per shout

[coarse birch]

that with the stacking and negative cooldown

was a little absurd

[royal vortex]

overshield shouldn't stack beyond 100

[calm salmon]

I REALLY don't understand why fatshark buffed the cooldown on vet shout ult

that was the dumbest change to vet they've made so far

[royal vortex]

no theyve made quite a few stupid changes

[coarse birch]

oh i thought it went past 100 at one point

[royal vortex]

it does

i am saying

[calm salmon]

he gets MINUS SIX SECONDS off the CD for killing a special

[royal vortex]

it should not

because that's bad

[coarse birch]

oh i see

[calm salmon]

in Hi STG you can get ult back immediately

thanks to 16 specials per wave

[royal vortex]

this talent needs a super long ICD or to be reworked into something else

[outer palm]

Someone give me a build for dps

[calm salmon]

Yeah, that shit should only proc once every 2 minutes

[coarse birch]

yeah idk what they were thinking

[calm salmon]

and that's that

[coarse birch]

like 6 seconds

for

playing the game

[calm salmon]

but buffing his CD on shout was fucking stupid

"oh no, the shitters are complaining about his long cooldown"

snap overcorrects

pain

[royal vortex]

the problem is not the ult

it is the game-warping talent

what needs to be removed is the game warping talent do not complain about the ult

[gray ice]

pick the dps talents with whatever blitz aura and keystone you want to use

[coarse birch]

i think the talent itself is fine

[calm salmon]

yeah, at this point, I just want CDR deleted from skill trees

[royal vortex]

no the talent is cancer

[calm salmon]

all of em

[royal vortex]

cdr is god awful

[calm salmon]

all of em need to go

[coarse birch]

i meant VOC

[royal vortex]

im biased as fuck but like REMOVE

THE

[coarse birch]

not talent

[royal vortex]

STUPID

game-breaking talent

[coarse birch]

the CDR is the issue ye

[royal vortex]

i hate it

none of the classes should have em

[coarse birch]

CDR across the board

[calm salmon]

yellow stim is fine

[coarse birch]

is just dumb

[royal vortex]

u shouldnt be halving ur ult cd at minimum for free

[calm salmon]

okay, so I need a pot for CDR

that's cool

but it being in my tree is stupid

[coarse birch]

stims fine ye

[royal vortex]

i think if cdr exists it needs to have interesting conditions

[gray ice]

I'm fine with some CDR but it's kinda nuts how it is currently

[royal vortex]

i actually like backstab cdr

because it rewards u for being stealth ninja guy but it isn't FREE ULT EVERY OTHER SWING tier shit

[coarse birch]

like with psyker its like hm what aura will i take? oh the only one that actually does something and is stupid

yeah i think ill take that one

[gray ice]

even backstab cdr should go down to like 10%

[royal vortex]

u could double the icd on backstab cdr and it would be fine

[coarse birch]

crit CDR proccing off every enemy hit in a crit swing is

a choice

they made

[gray ice]

what's the current icd

[coarse birch]

and put it in the game

[gray ice]

It's like 2 secs isn't it?

[royal vortex]

1.5s or smth

i think

[royal vortex]

imagine if it only procced once per attack which means it synergizes with chastise (the ult in the same branch as the talent) because u have faster attack speed

[gray ice]

For it to stay at 20% I think it'd need like a 7sec icd

[coarse birch]

thats literally all they need to do

[clear notch]

1.5

[coarse birch]

like that would help so much

[royal vortex]

then u have like this cool reason to use the full left side tree

[coarse birch]

it does not need to proc off 11 guys at once

and i have to like actually think about when to chastise

and not go

oh i havent done this in the last 5 seconds

[royal vortex]

i hate the fact that if they nerf it

a bunch of shitters are gonna complain

[gray ice]

I'd even be fine with the cdr staying on a per enemy hit basis if it just reduced it. Just make it .5s per crit

[royal vortex]

no

we need less talents that scale with enemy density

they are one of the primary causes of power creep

because fs will go "THROW MORE SHIT AT THEM"

[ripe quest]

Seems to work fine, Ragers move their heads a lot so it's not quite as practical.

[royal vortex]

and this... does not solve the problem when half the broken shit in this game gets BETTER the more enemies are on the screen

[coarse birch]

tbf idk if they can throw more shit at us

the game cant handle what they throw at us

now

[royal vortex]

they can't and they're already reaping the consequences

sound is broken

sound is broken in a really fucking obnoxious way

it's per-map

the audio tuning is hand-done for each doorway and whatnot

[coarse birch]

also is it just me, or are trappers and bursters mad quiet lately

[royal vortex]

so different areas bug out in different ways

[coarse birch]

i can hear crushers and ragers now

[ripe quest]

Yee I can get 5x kills on Ragers, just finnicky.

[gray ice]

I guess that makes sense, I'm just bad

carry on

[coarse birch]

i might just be bad

[clear notch]

i've been getter more stealth bursters in my games

[viral hare]

Schrodinger's trapper, doesnt exist till they cause a wipe

[royal vortex]

@gray ice the culprit in your clip is probably the crit damage not caryring over as well on cleave

[ripe quest]

Krill issue

[clear notch]

shouldn't have added those voice lines to crushers and ragers

[coarse birch]

ok so im not crazy

[royal vortex]

weakspot/crit has less impact on targets beyond 1 iirc

so theoretically unless im butchering what i remember from one of crab's lectures its possible thats whats going on

[gritty cedar]

i just beat the hard mod damnation of the orthus offensive ... but i didn t receive the hidden penance

what do i miss ?

[sly shadow]

what perks should i go for on heavy laspistol?

[ripe quest]

Hsword is unique in that the first and second target take the exact same damage. It would effectively be a +1 to Deathblow's cap since it's no different than how Deathblow operates.

[gray ice]

That's weird though, if it's carrying the first target dmg shouldn't it continue through to the 5th target anyway? Or maybe the dmg falloff really does hit that hard

[ripe quest]

You would be doing first target damage 4 times, then since the second target equals the first target it's no different to just doing first target 5 times.

[gray ice]

I would imagine still dumdum and raking fire

[ripe quest]

I think with your clip it kinda looks like the last rager didn't get properly hit. Not too sure.

He seemed to still be in the stagger animation from the ult impact.

[royal vortex]

dumdum + whatever

second blessing

doesn't matter

[ripe quest]

Also have a Boltgun skin:

[gray ice]

I raise you a flaxer

[royal vortex]

this is why hadron bricks ur shit

[sly shadow]

i found one wiith both raking and dumdum, wondering which of the bonuses i should add now

[royal vortex]

o

flak + maniac

or unarmored/maniac if u hate dreg gunners

[viral hare]

thats just a gears of war gun

[sly shadow]

yeh i hate gunners

[royal vortex]

with +unarmored you two-tap both gunners on headshot

w/o it dreg gunners take 3 but scabs take 2

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[regal skiff]

so what new build video came out for chainsword zealot?

[next trench]

MORE DAKKA

[ornate bone]

Man I just can not vibe with zealot combat. Dominate as an ogryn but I take hella damage as a zealot

Yeah I always dodge as ogryn

[hardy surge]

if you are the last one standing, and you aggro a DH, it just leaves?

[ornate bone]

Mix it with toughness gating I’m invincible

Zealot dodging doesn’t work for me though

[rigid trellis]

yeah

[hardy surge]

oh I see

[olive raven]

Press S and Space at same time.

Ez

[hardy surge]

I was doing a clutch and dh sent me into a panic u.u didn't know that

[coarse birch]

Think its heresy

But i havent played it in long enough

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/290mfz i clutched a game on psyker one time by sacrificing my teammates

[coarse birch]

Sometimes thats what you gotta do tbh

[royal vortex]

the console vet charging into the dh was funny

[odd wagon]

its malice below, heresy above its 2 downed teammates

oh sht my bad

reading comprehension went out my head

[coarse birch]

Its fine i wasn't 100% sure anyway lol

I do my best to stay away from heresy

[olive raven]

@lavish niche just pinging you here cuz fuck a slowmode

The game honestly delves less into mechanics and more just a general skill check

[royal vortex]

he got forced to move somewhere by a flamer/mutie and he chose like

the worst possible option

[uncut scaffold]

Dude I'm telling you Harkens are the worst

[royal vortex]

he apologized for sandbagging later in the match i can't be mad at him

[uncut scaffold]

I just played with a Harken that was good in all the worst ways

Would go out of his way to shoot anything I staggered with my revolver

I really think some folks are out here trying to get top scores

[autumn shadow]

Fun over score

[lavish niche]

Idk today I saw a dude solo a damnation without taking damage and without exploits.

He was dipping and diving like a mad man with a sword.

Like his movement was out of this world.

[rigid trellis]

it's a mix of both game knowledge and skill

comes with time

[lavish niche]

Seems like movement is a big skill ceiling

[brisk raft]

Anyone still use old Evi anymore?

[drifting bay]

Unspoiled by the hands of men

[coarse birch]

the only thing to really be aware of with movement is lunging but block and push are 360 and sliding does help outpace

and well as dodging and blocking etc

and not getting staggered by gunfire ig

[brisk raft]

69 mobility nice

[royal vortex]

enlightenment is learning how half the melee enemies dont give a fuck what distance ur at so u can just get cornered by multiple crushers and never take damage because iframe

which is always funny

half the things u learn in this game is just stop fkin panicking situations are more easily survivable than u think

[coarse birch]

yeah if you can just

focus on what the actual threat isa

and identify it quickly

your usually fine even in a really bad spot

assuming you brought a loadout that doesnt have glaring weaknesses

esp like crushers have bad dodge tracking

if you can just keep moving and kill them at a somewhat reasonable rate your fine

so long as a trapper doesnt meme you

pushing is also suprisingly good at letting you force your way out of crowded spots

[torpid pumice]

Any tips for using the mk 6 knife?

[royal vortex]

ppl don't respect psyker's ability to completely lock down a data interrogator

because of 0.5s stamina regen delay

[ornate bone]

Hold heavies and line up the heads slightly below the dot

[coarse birch]

yeah if you just stand right on top of them

and push

your good

esp with like illisi

where the push is fucking huge

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/ut6ncx

i havent gotten around to uploading this duo from back during the smite bug

[coarse birch]

tactique 🤨

oh nvm

i see

[olive raven]

Kinetic Deflection. Its a psyker perk

[royal vortex]

every time someone makes a negative comment about a clip title i strive to make them worse

[olive raven]

Together with the absurd toughness regen on psyker, you can survive forever

[royal vortex]

one time someone told me i spelled katana wrong in a title and little did they know

it was on purpose

[fading nest]

I know the Cleave is a little low, but otherwise how's this look?

[coarse birch]

i am simply giving you shit

[royal vortex]

shit perks but o well

swap carapace to flak

savage sweep to headtaker or deathblow

[olive raven]

nah dw its pre quick to pick up

Dodge sliding is great

[royal vortex]

im going to kill u

anyways

[coarse birch]

thats pretty valid

[royal vortex]

use columnus brauto and throwing knives

https://streamable.com/quddke

[coarse birch]

i desperately need to try knives again

[royal vortex]

ignore me shooting a dead body

[coarse birch]

sometimes the columnus brain takes over

[royal vortex]

STOP RESISTING

[coarse birch]

and you cant stop shooting

[royal vortex]

deathspitter applies to throwing knives

btw

its still generic +power

[coarse birch]

arco was also a big columnus fan when i played a few matches with him

[royal vortex]

columnus iag

i use the brauto

[ornate bone]

loudout

[coarse birch]

oh i didnt even notice tbh

[royal vortex]

because i am too good

[coarse birch]

is its firerate normally that high

[royal vortex]

for meta-slaving

no

momentum + chastise buffs it

well ok

here's a bit of stupid eldritch gameplay

if u start shooting

and proc momentum

u dont get the fire rate buff until u stop shooting and start again

[torpid pumice]

I'm still not feeling the kant shotty on invis zealot. Any suggestions for a ranged weapon?

[coarse birch]

oh is that why you kept moving

[royal vortex]

same with any other source of + ranged attack speed

[royal vortex]

im always movin bro

i have all the on-dodge talents

momentum

etc

SPEED

[coarse birch]

either laspistol or revo

[royal vortex]

anyways

[coarse birch]

old revo

to be exact

[royal vortex]

this also applies to the inverse

[coarse birch]

unless you hate yourself the new revo

[royal vortex]

if u drop the +aspd from momentum or chastise

if u keep shooting

it doesn't go away until u stop

in conclusion, magdump

[coarse birch]

run knife and columnus so i can both dump all my ammo and beat my teammates to the ammo

got it

[royal vortex]

i actually don't take that much ammo on this build

because unless ur really memein u don't shoot all that often

and throwing knives should always be replenishing

[coarse birch]

yeah i actually wonder if i melee too much sometimes

idk if pubs are just bad at melee

but im always like

[royal vortex]

dude lemme find the scoreboard

[coarse birch]

at least 2x melee damage on everyone

if not 3x

[royal vortex]

look at how much fkin ammo the vet takes

and compare it to his ranged damage

[fading nest]

Beat them in both ranged and melee for the lulz

[coarse birch]

i mean tbh i do usually get the most damage total

[brisk raft]

What was Vet using

[royal vortex]

autopistol lmfao

[coarse birch]

but not always in ranged

[royal vortex]

i had columnus brauto

[coarse birch]

old autopistol?

or new

[royal vortex]

new

[brisk raft]

Oh lol, havent seen that in ages

[coarse birch]

yeah that checks out

[royal vortex]

good lord if i did more ranged damage with old columnus

vs old autopistol

that would be some SHIT

[coarse birch]

hey old columnus wasnt that bad

it was not AP

i refused to use AP

[royal vortex]

it was just bad

shittier agri brauto

[coarse birch]

it wasnt great

[brisk raft]

How good is it, I know Agri is best but I want options

[coarse birch]

it was usable tho

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/84j89e

[coarse birch]

i need to try graia brauto now that they buffed it

idk if its still fucked

[royal vortex]

be free of your agri conditioning

[royal vortex]

has the same dps as columnus

it's ok now

they did the bare minimum to make it usable

[cerulean pike]

columnus brauto or iag

[coarse birch]

brauto

[royal vortex]

brauto

[coarse birch]

in this case

[brisk raft]

Still feels like it easier to kill with Colum Brauto than Graia to me

[royal vortex]

the columnus brauto is just peak gameplay

its fun to shoot

thats what matters

[coarse birch]

columnus might have better armor damage

idk the values tho

[royal vortex]

uhhh

no

they both have collat

[coarse birch]

ok nvm then

[royal vortex]

so both have 50% hidden stopping power stats

[brisk raft]

Now is it 31 out of 2 Grims or 3 and a half Grims?

[smoky pewter]

first one

[sly shadow]

oh nice revolv... oh

[brisk raft]

Time for Handcannon

[coarse birch]

i was about to say

i wouldnt use that

[royal vortex]

the crit bonus is gonna hurt a lil

[sly shadow]

i kno lol

[royal vortex]

but u can yoink crucian if u dont already have a t4 of it

[brisk raft]

Oh i just noticed too

[royal vortex]

crucian is probs the best crit blessing for new revolver

point blank can work too

[coarse birch]

yeah id say crucian works well with it

[sly shadow]

that crit bonus stat os that stuff in addition to the regular crit chance/bonus?

so, like, could this pistol actually be good, just not optimal?

[ornate bone]

anyone know whats best blessings for shredder pistol

[brisk raft]

I use Agri Revo on Vet, how is it on Zealot? In particular, with Chastise?

[strange kestrel]

rampage momentum or rampage savage sweep on new evis?

[royal vortex]

revolver really wants to crit, the low crit bonus is just gonna hurt

because it's both crit chance and crit damage

[sly shadow]

is that crit damage on top of normal crit bonus? (not sure how that works)

[royal vortex]

don't think so

zealot has 5% crit flat but that's not a whole lot

[rigid trellis]

rampage and momentum/shred/bloodthirsty doesn't really matter between those, ss doesn't do a lot unless you're running a crit cdr build or just want to stagger more enemies

[strange kestrel]

alr bet

thanks

and for perks flak maniac i assume

[olive raven]

yes

[strange kestrel]

alr

[rigid trellis]

flak and maniac/carapace/elites, pick your poison

[strange kestrel]

alr ty

[fleet zealot]

ham

[ornate bone]

cute otter

[weary orbit]

soooooo, no head?

[mental coral]

recon las?

[topaz jasper]

FINALLY

[mental coral]

congrats

now do it again with randos

kekw

[topaz jasper]

i did do it with randos

[mental coral]

damn

uh

[topaz jasper]

i've only ever done it with randos

[mental coral]

do it again with randos who didn't beat normal orthus yet

[topaz jasper]

probably close to 50 attempts

[mental coral]

oof

but congrats actually

that shit is surprisingly stressful

[topaz jasper]

thanks, fought tooth and nail for it

[mental coral]

maybe I was lucky but I think randos are slowly getting better at it

or at the very least the super casuals stopped trying

cuz I beat it twice today with two different groups

[topaz jasper]

yeah i agree with that, people will eventually all figure out the strat

[mental coral]

one with only two tries

[topaz jasper]

i think plasma rifle vet is a must though in the group

melts elites

[mental coral]

nah ogryns are whats needed

tho a vet with field improv and plasma is also rly strong

[ornate bone]

skill success

[zealous basin]

guys last night some guy was rolling a cigarette next to me while i was chirpin at some girls and i turned over to ask him for a lighter

and my mans was not rolling a cigarette he was just ripping lines in public

fuckin ell man

darktide!

[long oasis]

did you ask him for some

[clear notch]

pug enjoyer

[zealous basin]

nah man

them mfs unpredictable

[minor sage]

fun to shoot

big clip size so you never have to reload

runs decently fast

brauto special for pushing poxbursters

and you don't need to aim for head

such a fun weapon

[frozen laurel]

He's gotta share with the class tho 💀

[zealous basin]

he shared the lighter thats good enough

[frozen laurel]

fair

[zealous basin]

clutch moment too

some hot girl was rollin a spliff

goblin hour activities

[coarse birch]

hello flip

havent seen you here in a little bit

[frozen laurel]

I remember those times, until I started night shifts lol

[zealous basin]

yeah i've been drinking less LMAO

[coarse birch]

well

thats good (?)

idk if you like being in here lol

[zealous basin]

good is relative

[lunar radish]

What’s a good range weapon to pair with heavy eviscerator?

[zealous basin]

[hardy surge]

revolver probably

to deal with specials

[lunar radish]

Thanks

[drowsy steppe]

Mashallah

[vale carbon]

Masala

[vale carbon]

Bolter
Because

[olive raven]

piety

aint half bad

lmao

[zealous basin]

(i am here right now beacuse im drinking)

[lament storm]

I like the Columnus Mk V Infantry Autogun, but the bolter and Kantrel MG IV infantry lasgun are also good.

[zealous basin]

gray name

gray name

what the fuck gray name

[drowsy steppe]

Youre gonna get kicked out again

[lament storm]

Columnus is just my preferred

[zealous basin]

illegal name

[lament storm]

Cry about it

[zealous basin]

i will and then ill fuckin kill u!!!!

[lament storm]

k

[native cargo]

[cold rock]

hello, I'm struggling to clear elites/specials in twins HM. Currently running chorus/flame grenade with evis/zarona. Is there anything else I could do? I tried using the new revolver and kantrael shotgun but neither seemed to change much

[vale carbon]

Collumnus may be easier to build, as unlocking blessings is shared between classes

But bolter is one gun, one variant, that may be easier too

[dense field]

Have you tried flamer+fury of the faithful?

[north sedge]

Flamer, though it won't be useful against crushers with chorus

[cold rock]

is the flamer good against the maulers/ragers? that seems to be what kills us
I have not tried fury, I always thought chorus was "mandatory"

[north sedge]

Nah

[dense field]

not at all

[north sedge]

Useful, but not mandatory

Having some source of overshield is nice on the team

[dense field]

Also I've found stunstorm to be more useful than flame nades because they act immediately

[north sedge]

The two times I've done it we had shout vet and psyker shield for one of em i think

[cold rock]

I swapped to flame cause we started falling behind on all the adds but I can swap back.
Would knife be useful at all for the specials?

[dense field]

Not really

[north sedge]

I used flame nades

[sour stirrup]

lets fuckin go

[dense field]

Knife is not that great

[north sedge]

Either works

[sour stirrup]

dont know what I'll change PS for yet but we got options

[dense field]

What's your team comp?

[cold rock]

nothing, I've just been in random groups. But every group I've been in we fall behind on specials and I can't seem to help much and then once 1 person drops we get overwhelmed

[dense field]

It's either shred or savage sweep

[cold rock]

chorus helps to cc them for a bit but then I'm not doing any damage either

[sour stirrup]

nah, Sweep ass on new Evis

prolly gonna go Bloodthirsty

[dense field]

Yeah, low overall low dps is a big problem

[spiral anvil]

Perfect strike is ok to meme on ragers I think

[spark ember]

hows the mod that allows u to test whatever weapon setup in psyk called?

[sour stirrup]

nah its ass I put it on there cuz the original first blessing was Rampage 1 so I wanted it back in the pool to get Rampage 4

[meager bison]

Actual legend rolling a rampage 1 on a 377

[sour stirrup]

I had Rampage 1 on my 378 Heavy Sword too

its cuz it was already blue from Brunt I believe

[patent patrol]

Ok so I gotta ask. How do y'all 'dodge'? I know like, dodge strong attacks but I'm talking like... in hordes n shit. How are you supposed to avoid all that damage on like damnation n stuff?

what's the tactic people do there?

[drowsy anchor]

no way around them

just get hit a lot, learn the feeling of the horde

and eventually instinctively dodge in it

eventually able to tell when an attack is coming from behind you

[patent patrol]

ah ok, so me dying to horde in damnation is common then.

Cool.

[drowsy anchor]

im sure everyone die to horde in every difficulty at least once

or more than once

until they no longer do

[patent patrol]

I still die to hordes on occasion.

then again I only got like 80 hours rn

[drowsy anchor]

well it can be a long time until you stop

maybe add in a few hundred more hours

[cerulean pike]

i just push isces into hordes

[zealous basin]

just roll ur face on dash push and slide

ez

alternate them so that you dont 0 out ur resources

[clear knot]

i have 1.9k hours so

all i do is just dodge.

[zealous basin]

imagine not sliding

[clear knot]

well, ig i should clarify, i dodgeslide my way through hordes and missions so

[stable wing]

Rolled a new combat blade on the left, is it better than my current one on the right?

[zealous basin]

knife/10

[stable wing]

sad that first target was a bit dumped

but MOBILITY

and I have a free slot to spend on Unyielding

[spark ember]

hows the mod that allows u to test whatever weapon setup in psyk called?

[minor sage]

You really want to get as close to a maxroll on finesse as you can

Cuz it affects how the weapon feels

Via attackspeed

And also the weakspot and crit numbers

[olive raven]

Hordes I dodge left to right usually

That’s just muscle memory from AD stafing

Crushers, maulers, etc I try to time it with a diagonal dodge backwards

[median steeple]

slide dodge my beloved

[native cargo]

I sometimes slide dodge when I decide to make my fingers do gymnastics

[stable wing]

Sounds good! Is the lower first target number on my new knife ok? Seems like its just 9 damage difference?

[cerulean pike]

hordes won't get you if you just sacrifice your teammate

[tropic ore]

Increases gains by 25%

[hidden nacelle]

these 2 zealots did some out of bounds glitch in mercantile and nothing spawned for the rest of the game

[tropic ore]

Mooscleh

[hidden nacelle]

both have vac bans not even surprised

[ebon granite]

Every time it trigger your arms get more swollen

[ornate bone]

Gains +25% is like "your damage gets an increase of an extra 25% more addition"

[ebon granite]

25% of gain my man

[ornate bone]

I ain't e'er seen no dawg gainin' -25%

ong

[zealous basin]

okay boys whos hoppin on city of heroes

[spark ember]

that T3 carapace gona be buggin my mind for a long time now now...

[zealous basin]

dont worry lil bro it will matter exactly nowhere ever

[spark ember]

ye, but my perfectionalist soul is broken 😦

[sterile schooner]

It's broken anyway cause it's not a perfect 380 with 80 dmg 80 pen 80 shredder

[cerulean pike]

city of what

[urban scroll]

lol i got same but with t3 unyielding instead

[zealous basin]

oh bad news sorry that one matters a lot

its bricked

[zealous basin]

come on bro hop on

[minor sage]

Look at it in terms of percentages

9 dmg diff on a 150 dmg hit is 6% difference

Which I would say is significant

[cerulean pike]

god that looks like garbage

[torn stream]

I swear one of these days I'm gonna go and clear Orthus Hard

I just need to find people who like pain as much as I do lmao

[zealous basin]

suck my ass

best game ever made

[torn stream]

only played it a little bit WAY back in the day but I remember it having REALLY good mechanics

[drowsy steppe]

Looks like a kids game

[torn stream]

nah, City of Heroes was WAY too complicated for me as a kid lmfao

[zealous basin]

my build is literally beyond ur mortal comprehension

i also played it as a kid and had no idea wtf was happening

now i powergame it as an adult

[drowsy steppe]

Bro is playing with hieroglyphics

[zealous basin]

[fickle dagger]

i finally got my zealot to sing a hym

[torn stream]

niiiiice

[cerulean pike]

i'd rather play the campaign for north africa than look at that "build"

[zealous basin]

look upon it

ur dumb little eyes cant take it

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-rdr2-arthur-morgan-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-27180770

[hardy surge]

she's a keeper

[native cargo]

She is

Truly a smart lady. Don't gotta pay for housing

[clear knot]

such a agood image

[native cargo]

yes

[ivory marlin]

Hi mal

[cerulean pike]

You know
I believe today is a quesadilla day

[ivory marlin]

I want a quesadilla

[sand lance]

Same, but I'm working atm so

[ivory marlin]

Im laying in bed

[sand lance]

Understandable. Getting out of bed is hard.

[frozen glen]

it's cultural appropriation day

[ripe quest]

Holy shit they actually remembered Versus

[frozen glen]

why do u do this to me muse

I mean ur right but still

[ivory marlin]

Im not filipino

[zealous basin]

u should just try being white

[frozen glen]

now everyone will never shut up about versus mode in dt

what have they done

we will have 8 years of versus rumours

curse you overweight shark

[ripe quest]

Ok but in V2 the enemies at least hold some level of balance in comparison to the players. In DT if I control a shooter my ass is getting obliterated.

[cerulean pike]

I mean it was teased like

What

5 years ago?

[ripe quest]

Yeah but the joke was that they forgot about it or cancelled it. Turns out they didn't ig

They just kinda were like "guys we are working on Versus" and then nothing happened

[cerulean pike]

yeah
we don’t have a teaser yet

once we do then people won’t shut up about it

[exotic portal]

Have they tried an 8man run with two groups with different paths to run, as a co-op support, each group to progress?

[cerulean pike]

They also did take like years to finish all the classes

professional vermintide baybee let’s go

[frozen glen]

now they have a bigger budget from biger company

surely this means faster updates

[steel shoal]

Plus Size Shark

[exotic portal]

Been 4 updates within 1 month no?

[cerulean pike]

Dammit taco truck closes at 11

Guess I must walk further

to

taco bell…

[ivory marlin]

Damn

The bells toll for tacos

[steel shoal]

You wont survive taco bell

[ivory marlin]

Nice pfp

[zealous basin]

nice erm

[ivory marlin]

Flip buy me hunt and ill play it with you

[zealous basin]

no!

[ivory marlin]

Coward

[zealous basin]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/594650/Hunt_Showdown/ its on sale bro

Steam

Hunt: Showdown

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Price

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Recommendations

147269

Metacritic

81

▶ Play video

buy it urself

[exotic portal]

Gotta take risks

[ivory marlin]

Im poor

[ivory marlin]

I spend 15 on a burrito

That was the last of my money till next week

[cerulean pike]

Skissue

[naive star]

Close to hitting lvl 30 on my Zealot and liking crit playstyle, what weapon would be easist to begin with not relying too much on blessings and perfect rolls to carry me to grind more mats and blessings?

I have close to 0 blessings to rebless with so gonna need to start gathering those too

[native cargo]

Uhhh I guess the old evis. The mk II I think it is.

Gonna be rng anyway but it's good

[tough perch]

any, blessings arent needed you can do damnation with grey weapons. that said, some do get significant buffs from blessings, like the combat knife is kinda reliant if youre using crit build since you want the crit bleed synergy. If by crit playstyle you mean using the charge, any weapon with rev up (chain weapons, thunderhammer) will pop crushers/monstrosities.

try out every weapon, use what feels good

very balanced overall

[zealous basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1160236137915359324/bloodknife.gif?ex=6533ed1b&is=6521781b&hm=53d705217140fe8c569e8333cfcf2dd303253ef3428d54b25317ffc04b989bcf&

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-hunt-hunt-meme-get-on-hunt-showdown-gif-24553870

[exotic portal]

Isn't there a max bleed stack?

[hardy surge]

16 stacks.

[faint marsh]

me before i learned about uncanny

[exotic portal]

Weak

[zealous basin]

[exotic portal]

two light attacks with flesh tearer and you're done.

[nova python]

but then the fun part happens, you can run away until you need to restack

[hardy surge]

yeah, lacerate + flesh tearer gets memed to oblivion because of how pointless it is

[exotic portal]

I hate to backtrack

[nova python]

run a new route?

toss a jump or two in there. Could be fun~

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-kermit-map-where-am-i-gif-13892258

https://tenor.com/view/nf-motto-dragged-drag-real-gif-27671620

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-wit-da-js-deepfried-meme-gif-2142758155635416315

[polar nexus]

What's the versus mode?

[exotic portal]

Well, a convicts a convict. but that's vermintide?

[ripe quest]

Players control normal characters vs players controlling enemies.

Left 4 Dead has a Versus mode if you want a look at an example.

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spicy-javed-gif-22249459

I'll run a nurgle and eat some.

[ember yew]

You just reminded me that Fatshark probably already canceled Vermintide 2 Versus

which was announced like in 2020?

they should just come out and said it tbh

[torn stream]

They just made a big announcement about it like 3 days ago

[ember yew]

lel

lemme check

found that the announcement was made back in june 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN7smmqIUZ4

welp, should revisit VT2 later then

[spiral anvil]

Big announcement that they gonna release it or they gonna work on it

[torn stream]

Not sure

The video above has info apparently

[celest cave]

Latter ofc.

[keen silo]

can someone share a good talent tree for evisc+ brauto build?

[minor sage]

Are you using bt evis or shred evis or noncrit evis

[keen silo]

rampage+shred

was thinking of going crit build but i get bodied easily, not surewhy

[minor sage]

You can try going martyr with 7 wounds and grab the cdr on crit and tdr on crit on the tree

[keen silo]

need wound curios for that right

[minor sage]

Yep

Martyr lets you hit a bunch of breakpoints, and the crit talents give you infinite chastise

And chastise also gives you the flexibility to use brauto to gun down a crusher or mauler if the situation demands it

[keen silo]

gotcha

ty for the inpu

gotta build curios

what stats should i get

perks

[minor sage]

No clue tbh

Evis15 has diff breakpoints

Will prob have to test carapace, flak, maniac, elites etc

[ember yew]

we can link him this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad6955a-1a54-4a6a-bfdb-dbc89c493000/mk-xv-eviscerator-is-crazy?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

tho it needs adjustments

[minor sage]

Ye he's real good lol

It looks like hes using an evis with random perks tho

Which is hilarious

[polar nexus]

chocob like telopots are good enough to chose whatever they want to complement their playstyles

anyone has that problem?

[dense field]

99.999% players use suboptimal items

It's ok to not have godrolls in every slot

[twin wagon]

Bit less if we consider breakpoints over total damage

[dense field]

true

[native cargo]

I just have a certain standard is pretty easily met. I don't need god rolls

[minor sage]

2 line weapons is trivial

3 line weapons are relatively easy to get

Its only the 4 line weapons that are hard to get lol

And i don't think you need it anyways

[twin wagon]

They'd help dome pubs tho

[lucid ravine]

could u switch in a combat axe instead of a knife in a shroudfiled build?

both of them serve the same purpose as far as i can tell

[hardy surge]

combat axe will likely profit a lot more from the damage bonuses of shroud than knife. so yeah

[faint prairie]

Block eff is nice for evis for the push attack ye?

[sour stirrup]

no not really

[hardy surge]

I don't think block eff is good in almost anything. but that's just me.

[sour stirrup]

you can push at 1% stamina

[still quartz]

Block Effic is just reducing amount of Stam loss from blocking attacks I think

The number is too small to matter unfort

[open echo]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae49a75-88ae-497b-b371-93411be5f48d/evisc-matyr this is my playstyle for smth like this

i can't decide between momentum, shred or bloodtirsty for my evisc

very much enjoying momentum

[still quartz]

I'd say Shred is best but Momentum isn't bad either

[rigid trellis]

depends on playstyle

[opaque hinge]

DC'd at the end of the mission and just did 69k overkill from 70K damage for the last bit, wasn't even all horde 😄

[still quartz]

Me and the boys when the planet is Flooded in Lethal Company:

[still quartz]

What the heck xd

[native cargo]

Modern medicine couldn't save the fish skeleton

[still quartz]

Mans trying to be Frankenweenie and revive his dead fish

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-let-him-cook-gif-11999534059191155013

[still quartz]

LOL the quokkas

[rancid fern]

best tigrus mk2 setups?

[vocal pulsar]

Savage sweep + rampage

Maniac + flak damage

That's the BIS (best in slot)

[rigid trellis]

or savage sweep + shred for a crit cdr build

but yeah those are generally best

[fiery ingot]

is momentum meme?

[rigid trellis]

not on the new evis

[fiery ingot]

can someone cook a new evis martyrdom for me

im new to zealot, i have no idea what is the play

i like playing rashad axe tho

[rigid trellis]

I'm currently running Rampage + Momentum and Carapace + Flak on my new evis marty build

[fiery ingot]

one of my favorite weapons

[rigid trellis]

i use this tree and curio setup but you can change whatever you want if you decide to use it as a guideline

[sour stirrup]

end of mission drop. crit bonus real low but damn not even bad

[fiery ingot]

interesting, i thought new evis could proc backstabs really easy with its big cleave

[rigid trellis]

I don't rely on it but yeah it's a nice bonus, which is why I take the extra backstab damage

[fiery ingot]

whats the ideal shredder value for new evis?

ohh

[rigid trellis]

as high as possible, not sure about breakpoints

mobility being dump stat

[fiery ingot]

aw frick

cleave targets?

i thought that was also not so important after a certain %

[rigid trellis]

yeah idk all the little details for stuff like that, just big number good

[fiery ingot]

lol same

going to eat this one for momentum then

literally those are all melee weapons i got on my zealot lol

the catachan is there just so i have a high base rating weapon for shop

[ember yew]

ima kinda want to try using evis with momentum and wound build, probably unkillable as long as there are 3+ enemies present

[rigid trellis]

I'd say it's still a usable evis if you want to try it out and see if you like it

trying for god rolls will send you broke

[fiery ingot]

already eaten

[rigid trellis]

[fiery ingot]

oh boi i spent 30k plasteel already farming power cycler on my vet

im pretty used to it at this point

[ember yew]

i've spent 15k+ plasteel on MK15 Evis and still got zero usable ones

gonna reach that 30k soon

[fiery ingot]

[ember yew]

fartshart RNG shitting on me

[fiery ingot]

that's just life simulation for me

also, i've heard a lot of martyrdom caxe. what makes it good? i got so used to inexorable judgement now, that i dont see how caxe can be better on martyr than right keystone

[rigid trellis]

feel like you might just be fussy if you're spending all that plasteel and still don't have a workable weapon

getting a 3/4 weapon is fine

and cheap

[woeful oyster]

it's "FatShat"

[ember yew]

not really, i want 2+2

3/4 mix is fine

but i didn't got a single one i want

like the usual stuff

[rigid trellis]

fair

I got lucky since the very first mk15 I bought ended up being pretty good

swapped specialists to flak

[steel temple]

honestly feel like specialist was fine there, then you can grab rampage 4 momentum 4 for blessings

Still, it's very good like this

[rigid trellis]

upping momentum to 4 is only a 1% increase

hardly worth it

but yeah I did keep specialists on for a while

[oak ermine]

Would that 1 percentage point matter on Momentum, even?

[rigid trellis]

it was just to hit the 1 shot mauler bp

that I picked flak

[oak ermine]

It’s like upgrading Confident Strike on Ogryn weapons - the blessing is so front loaded it makes no sense if you already have it, unless you want it to be flexible

[sour stirrup]

I got this earlier was gonna swap Elites to Carapace and PS to Shred or BT cant decide

[open echo]

hmmmm

[oak ermine]

Perfect Strike is a very odd choice for a blessing

[sour stirrup]

I only put it on to remove it from the pool

when I was upgrading

was originally Rampage 1

[oak ermine]

Ah, I see, that’s fair

All good then

[rancid fern]

talk about momentum on mk2 evis. what pairs with it best?

[rigid trellis]

if you can kill a crusher in 2 uncharged heavy rev attacks or 1 with a crit you won't need to change it to carapace

[sour stirrup]

havent changed yet cuz idk what I wanna put

[steel temple]

It's more of me wanting to see a bunch of tier 4s

[sour stirrup]

lemme check rq

[steel temple]

more aesthetically pleasing

[fiery ingot]

sorry, i have no idea

is this still good?

[sour stirrup]

Shredder too low

[fiery ingot]

dang

how much shredder should i aim at at least?

[sour stirrup]

as high as possible

[rigid trellis]

at least 70-72 I would aim for

[oak ermine]

There is some argument to be made about that, I suppose, but I like my weaponised abominations

[oak ermine]

I wouldn’t worry greatly about shredder if you can hit breakpoints with it still. If not, that’s a problem.

[olive raven]

Shredder is low but it’s usable

Shredder varies only a bit from Min-Max

[fiery ingot]

the only important breakpoint for shredder on that weapon is crusher yes? or are there more enemies that i should be using special atk on?

[rigid trellis]

maulers for sure, ragers if safe and other ogryns too

bosses ofc

[fiery ingot]

a okok

going to test that out later then

[olive raven]

pre sures it’s just any unyielding or exceedingly dangerous enemy

[fiery ingot]

well, how can i tell breakpoints on a boss?

[olive raven]

Either the mod

And breakpoints calculator

Unsure if they’ve added new weapons tho

[rigid trellis]

you don't need bp's on a boss unless you're one to two shotting them but you asked what you use rev attacks on

[fiery ingot]

ahhh kk sorry

[rigid trellis]

but yeah for example I can one shot every enemy with an uncharged heavy rev except for crushers unless I crit, which will 1 shot anything

other than bosses

[sour stirrup]

I can 2 shot Crusher but crit doesnt 1 shot

cant 1 shot Maulers either

[rigid trellis]

to 1 shot a mauler without a crit you have to hit it in the shoulder/body

[sour stirrup]

oh you right

[rigid trellis]

even with carapace damage