zealot-class

[native cargo]

who

[untold carbon]

Exactly

[frosty herald]

Once vt2 versus is out yall are seeing the pearly white gates

[ornate bone]

never gonna be a thing

[cerulean pike]

wym

[solemn portal]

what are the good knife blessings? lacerate and mercy killer? or the rending one?

[ripe quest]

@gritty flume You are getting wojak'd.

[untold carbon]

[cerulean pike]

@ornate bone

[ripe quest]

Uncanny/Ruthless + Precog/Executor. If you want bleed run Uncanny/Flesh Tearer.

[cerulean pike]

lacerate mentioned. must send maxwell into a flurry

[solemn portal]

so bleed is not that good now?

[fleet zealot]

never has been

😎

[ripe quest]

It hasn't been for a long while.

[untold carbon]

Bleed on its own has never been good

It’s carried by Rending

[cerulean pike]

bleed is good

when the game was released

[ripe quest]

It was good when it was bugged.

[solemn portal]

infinite stacks was great

[ripe quest]

But those are the olden days of not even having all of crafting unlocked lol

[solemn portal]

crafting ui is still dog shit

[untold carbon]

Yeah I’d rather die than go back to those days

[solemn portal]

what's the difference between mark 3 and mark 4 knife

[untold carbon]

Mk4 tries to have better horde clear

Emphasis on “tries”

[solemn portal]

so mark 3 is the way with crit

[ripe quest]

Mk III has easy access to single target attacks and the Mk VI has more cleave attacks.

[solemn portal]

got it

thanks guys great help

time to spend my 90K plast

[ripe quest]

Either are good with crit, the Mk VI has about the same single target damage just the patterns are different.

[open falcon]

Made a Zealot and now I gotta play with bots rip

[ornate bone]

My flurry folder is already full

[sullen eagle]

is ruthless backstab any good

[ornate bone]

It's uncanny but without needing to get 5 headshots if you spent too long not getting headshots

A good blessing for when you need to start a fight doing max rending

I mostly forget about it because I don't backstab too much

But it's arguably one of the best

[sullen eagle]

im thinking either backstab/uncanny, precog/uncanny, or tearer/uncanny

also whats a good gun for knife zealot

[frosty herald]

Lacerate mentioned

Tactical nuke incoming

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-breath-godzilla-minus-one-gif-7911376342674037576

[sullen eagle]

is that Godzilla Minus One??

that looks dope as fuck!

[frosty herald]

10/10 movie

Cried at the end

[sullen eagle]

i need to watch it, theatre in my town doesnt have it

[strange kestrel]

salvageable? i feel like i can do something with it if i swap sprint efficiency and gloryhunter

[light basin]

worth getting on melks?

[ivory marlin]

Guys dream apology video dropped

[ornate bone]

Another one?

Or is he apologizing for that Minecraft cheating from idfk months ago

[sour stirrup]

this being how I found out is kinda wild ngl lmao

[ivory marlin]

Its everything

A fucking hour long

[frosty herald]

Only for thunderous

[light basin]

the modifiers are perfect

and thunderous is good

well, ill get it anyways

[left iron]

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-minecraft-adhd-normal-pills-pills-gif-21888340

[left iron]

The only good thing about that thammer is the stats, everything else is mediocre at best

[frosty herald]

Maybe the infamous graia hammer releases someday and thunderous is good with it

[ornate bone]

columnus thunder hammer

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-funny-cat-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-cat-funny-hammer-gif-22703304

[ivory marlin]

Can i link it or would i get in trubble

Trouble*

[frosty herald]

Nah

[untold carbon]

Achlys Thunder Hammer

[still quartz]

No

:c

[sour stirrup]

why link it you can search "Dream apology" and it comes right up

[north sedge]

dont make someone waste melk coins on "maybe thunderous will actually be good someday"

[still quartz]

Antax Thunder Hammer but there is no Thunder and it's just Warrior Priest of Sigmar hammer

[sour stirrup]

what do you even want on THammer

[still quartz]

Jesus christ

[north sedge]

thrust slaughterer/headtaker

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-gif-25465819

[still quartz]

A lot

[sharp zodiac]

Just like me fr

[still quartz]

Thrust Blessing is core on TH

[native cargo]

dreg snipers be like

[ornate bone]

you may link nothing

[native cargo]

hell yeas

[left iron]

Thrust slaughterer/headtaker, unyielding elites/flak

[ornate bone]

only we red names can do links

[sharp zodiac]

This is why warp rat is my second favorite creature on my phone

[ornate bone]

you paid for nothing

[native cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178170772146114611/1186497708949786704/rat-hi-chat.gif?ex=65937719&is=65810219&hm=95a1e0eab646ce4351e502f3433dde77f037bb03819154c7957d015cc1cb6ef1&

[ornate bone]

revolt against the nitro oppressors

[still quartz]

I put Carapace + Elites for my Ironhelm so I can 2-shot them with Thrust IV

[north sedge]

🤔

[ornate bone]

thrust eev

I prefer thrust eeeee

[ivory marlin]

Hi silly rat

[still quartz]

https://youtu.be/U44UFMgoK8I?si=0GsnXCYP0cU7Rzp-

[sour stirrup]

Crucis or Ironhelm better

[still quartz]

Preference

I like Ironhelm more but Crucis got that big bonk energy

Ironhelm is just because I wanna swing into a crowd and still hit the Rager in the middle

[left iron]

Wait, ironhelm doesnt 2 shot crushers without +cara?

[still quartz]

Yeah...

[left iron]

Damn thats sad

[still quartz]

On a Headshot too

I mean it's fair

[frosty herald]

Ironhelm is kinda poopoo against carapace

[still quartz]

The thing is a lot easier to control

I only do that because I can one-shot everything including Maulers already

[ripe quest]

I've heard the H3 can 1 shot Crushers but idk the setup.

[still quartz]

Might as well turn a 3 hit breakpoimt into 2 hit

[still quartz]

Idunno either cause I tried and not big

[left iron]

Im guessing marty

[north sedge]

crucis has a tough time doing it

[still quartz]

Maybe Martyr

[frosty herald]

The h3 on ironhelm is a bit finnicky

You need to push pause and then heavy

[left iron]

Crucis can do it with +cara and duellist up and max headtaker + thrust stacks

Oneshot*

Many hoops

[sour stirrup]

so what Im hearing is... hard to get good hammer

[still quartz]

Very hard

[steel agate]

Hard to get good alotta things

[north sedge]

well generally yes, crushers are annoying currently

[still quartz]

Hammer has SO many requirements compared though

[olive raven]

precog/uncanny best

[still quartz]

That huge Blessing pool does not help

[north sedge]

hammer will delete a boss nicely with proper stats though

[sour stirrup]

this is why I want one lol

[north sedge]

pain to roll cause of all the stats and the 600 blessings in it's pool, of which 3 are good

[sour stirrup]

was gonna go for one as my next project but I dont think there's enough ordo dockets and plasteel in the world for that tbh

[ripe quest]

Not sure if it needs it. Ironhelm H3 is only like, 90% of a Crucis bonk.

Maybe a couple stacks, but nothing crazy I would assume.

[frosty herald]

You can oneshot a boss easier then oneshotting a crusher

[fading vale]

yeah it's basically impossible to one shot crushers with a crucis without marty and/or a billion buffs up and carapace perk

without chastise

really dumb

basically not worth taking carapace and trying to one shot them without chastise at this point

cause you also need flak to make maulers more manageable

[frosty herald]

The only reliable oneshot is elliot's evis setup

[north sedge]

err

chaxe is braindead easy

[frosty herald]

Trueee

[gray ice]

oh can chaxe one rev crushers?

[north sedge]

yes

[gray ice]

I assume with like +cara, thrust

and headtaker/slaught stacks

[frosty herald]

Chaxe destroys armor which is pretty lore accurate

[north sedge]

like with half a stack of headtaker, 3/4 of a stack of momentum and a kiss on the cheek, it's very easy

[gray ice]

kek

might go try it at some point

[fading vale]

IIRC without carapace on crucis and no buffs except max thrust it does like 1800-1900 to crushers which is a joke

so you need nearly 100% more damage on top of thrust

[gray ice]

I mean, after all this time playing with newly updated hp values and such, I don't think crusher hp shoulda been doubled

[clear notch]

batter up
@radiant ferry

[sour stirrup]

Mk2 Evis so good

[gray ice]

I'd like to see what it'd feel like if crusher health was at like 3k flat

[fading vale]

when crusher hp was 3k it was pretty doable

but they bumped it to 3.6

[still quartz]

Devs didn't like how we were mulching up Crusher patrols

So they made sure we wouldn't

[fading vale]

yeah and then made everything delete crushers

sound logic

[still quartz]

100%

[gray ice]

pendulum swung too hard

[still quartz]

Exhibit A:
New Shovels

[fading vale]

mk6 psword

chaxe, evis

[gray ice]

this is why this game could benefit from a wider test base immensely

[fading vale]

guns

[gray ice]

this game with a test server could actually do some good

[north sedge]

wdym, shovels should out-do a science fiction mega hammer

[gray ice]

assuming they would actually implement feedback accordingly though

[mighty kelp]

Just hit them hard enough I don't see the problem man

[north sedge]

wider test would be a nightmare with how people interpret this game

[fading vale]

there is a test server

[ornate bone]

Man, shovel is great

[iron seal]

What pairs well with the new las pistol?

[fading vale]

it's just limited to a small number of people

[ornate bone]

Skullcrusher that mf up

Give him the double special

Wacky

[tulip jasper]

shovels canonically work as multitool, including can openers. sooo....

[ornate bone]

I love hitting a staggered enemy for 1700 on the FIRST hit of the TWO-HIT special attack

[steel agate]

Give everyone power shovels, they don’t exist? Make them

[gray ice]

yea but that's what I mean, having a larger base of testers could be beneficial, more stuff could be tried and experimented with

[ornate bone]

Thank you Fatshark, I now own all the shrimps previously stuck inside the crusher's can

[north sedge]

vin you're being very optimistic

[gray ice]

doesn't necessarily need to be a Public test so every mouthbreather has input

[north sedge]

if the wider audience had it's way every weapon would have flesh tearer lacerate

[gray ice]

just a larger base than they have now

[ornate bone]

idis qwy tshrimple

[gray ice]

pls god no

[ornate bone]

bro i swear lacerate is good please bro it melts hordes bro trust me

[gray ice]

listen listen listen

when the entire horde is bleeding and not dying

I'm tellin you its magical

[left iron]

Yoo flesh tearer lacerate thammer

The crusher would die to the bleed

So its technically a oneshot

[clear notch]

magic trick on how to make 110 fps dissapear

[hard nexus]

the maelstrom rn

is fucking insane

like

5 fucking bosses right off the bat

[clear notch]

easiest maelstrom mission

[clear knot]

thunderous + thrust is the move now

[gray ice]

on hammer?

[clear knot]

yep : )

deffo

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[clear knot]

yama tried it once

[stiff mirage]

shroudfield backstab + max momentum + thammer bosses is fun

[clear knot]

it was so bad lol

[digital yacht]

Revolver does more dmg to bosses then hammer

[clear knot]

ok

[gray ice]

you heard her guys, new hammer meta is cavalcade + pinning fire

go grind

[clear knot]

tru

[steel agate]

Damn I gotta somehow slap hand cannon on my bonker now?

Games rigged

[frosty herald]

The smart player puts brutal momentum on everything

[clear notch]

hand cannon hammer

[gray ice]

It's dangerous to go alone take this

[ornate bone]

here's the meta

[north sedge]

so that's why he was coping earlier

[ornate bone]

your mother

[polar plover]

possessed

[ornate bone]

unarmored unironically good

[clear notch]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2spy-no-mother-team-fortress2-gif-22434453

[clear notch]

what

[ornate bone]

I think you might need disdain to two-shot the gunners tho

[polar plover]

unarmored is very good

[ornate bone]

at least I do

[frosty herald]

Shouldve gotten flak and carapace

[polar plover]

you dont get much value from carapace

[calm hemlock]

Oh yeah - speaking of the new chaxe I hadn't realized what I actually rolled on this thing when I upgraded it. Finally got around to playing with it today and noticed the rolls

[ornate bone]

I can two-shot them better on vet because I can bleed them on the first hit and launch the second with mercy

nevermind the finesse bonuses vet gets

[gray ice]

should've had a v8

[polar plover]

unarmored are gunners and most trash mobs

[gray ice]

on knife unarmoured is probably unironically a good choice

cara wouldn't be cuz uncanny, there's not much point

[digital yacht]

unfortunate its not the new knife

[polar plover]

i prefer old knife :c

[frosty herald]

Cara cause it buffs uncanny damage

[polar plover]

i want the heavy attack always.

heavy peirce attack

[steel agate]

Omg I can smell the shredder fumes from here thank u

[ornate bone]

Unarmored and carapace is a good choice

[polar plover]

nah carapace is a waste on knife

you want unyeilding for the boss damage

[ornate bone]

your mother

[digital yacht]

Unless youre doing single target high dmg, i perfer the new one

[gray ice]

anytime, that bad boy can put shell outta business

[digital yacht]

this is been alright

[polar plover]

as a zealot you get a ton of crits

so you get crazy value from bleed

[frosty herald]

This is my mk3 knife but cara instead of unarmored

[frosty herald]

Die

[cunning zodiac]

is autopistol any good on zealot?

[native cargo]

Its my back scratcher

[digital yacht]

it got nerfed pretty badly

[native cargo]

This autopistol is good on zealot

[stiff mirage]

new zealot weapon?

[minor sage]

it's all about the lacerate flesh tearer

[native cargo]

Yeah its the zealot master key

[polar plover]

more like they gutted pinning fire and blaze away

[native cargo]

All weapons in one

[polar plover]

pinning fire and blaze away are what made the shredder op

[polar plover]

pinning fire would stack on same target stagger lol

shoot the same poxwalker 5 times = 5 stacks of pinning fire

and blaze away hit 5 stacks after 15 bullets

[north sedge]

pinning still stacks immediately

[polar plover]

not nearly the same as it used to be

thats why bolter and shredder no longer meta

[clear knot]

no its not

[digital yacht]

bolter was never meta with the wind up

[minor sage]

yeah but it doesn't do anything anymore

[polar plover]

bolter was meta for a supe rlong time

[minor sage]

even when stacked

[clear knot]

its no longer meta because they nerfed the power increase

[north sedge]

errr

[clear knot]

and yes, bolter was meta too

[north sedge]

bolter was absolutely meta

[polar plover]

all vets were running bolters and shredders..

i fondly remember the days lol

[frosty herald]

Columnus autogun is the new autopistol

[polar plover]

no respite + onslaught helbore days

[frosty herald]

Atleast on psyker

[clear knot]

helbore is still good

[polar plover]

nah

[frosty herald]

Hellbore is absolutely cracked

[clear knot]

okie

[olive raven]

columnus my beloved

[frosty herald]

People just want to go fast shooty

[digital yacht]

Never got my bolter to work, this is pretty hot garbage

[north sedge]

helbore definitely very good

[polar plover]

if you slap surgical on that it will feel a little better

shattering impact + pinning was old meta

it does much less damage now so you need to compensate

with crits

[drowsy steppe]

[clear knot]

yeah idk what to say man, helbore is just pretty good.

[sharp zodiac]

I want your liver

[steel agate]

Ey share

[sharp zodiac]

No

[steel agate]

[sharp zodiac]

I found it first

[digital yacht]

The new revolver is the bolter, but better in every regards

[steel agate]

Why not

I hungy too

[sharp zodiac]

Find tur own

[steel agate]

But the liver’s right there

why can’t share

[sharp zodiac]

Shellfish

[steel agate]

fine I’ll just eat own liver

[sharp zodiac]

Good

[steel agate]

I’m not sharing

[sharp zodiac]

Damn

[steel agate]

you didn’t share with me why should I share with u

Shellfish

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[brisk raft]

Why is everyone eating their livers??

And... PUNNING

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-wit-da-js-deepfried-meme-gif-2142758155635416315

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-clam-grass-jump-gif-25956447

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-bench-press-bench-lober-funny-gif-4371562097486085915

[sharp zodiac]

Man i would love to eat a crawdaf

Dad

[native cargo]

No

Crawdafs are better

[calm night]

strange creatures

[ripe quest]

Elaborate, bruisers I assume?

[sharp zodiac]

But

Everytime I buy them they mysteriously vanish

[native cargo]

butt*

[cunning lake]

How does new XV evis work?
Do I just press special attack and attack everything non-horde and spam light on horde?

[gray ice]

bruisers yes but surprisingly enough also groaners and trash. (This is with old mk in mind).

Reason being that if you can reach a one shot threshold for trash, it will expnonentially assist you with the horde clearing capability

[calm night]

unbind everything but W and M1

[vivid peak]

light attack spam for horde, heavies for singles, ideally revved. You can used revved lights into hordes too but only useful if you have the bloodletting or bloodthirsty blessing really.

its kinda brainless compared to the old Evis, but it feels great

can also use revved push attacks for precision weakspot spanking

[cunning lake]

brainless gameplay is what I lived for, thank you

[green temple]

Ayo , looking for people to help me beat hard mode (the twins ) been trying for a week already but I didn’t succeed at all

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny-destiny2-gambit-laugh-gif-25143789

[clear notch]

just keep trying with pugs

did it just yesterday

people are caught up with meta strats

been trying with pugs since release

[vale carbon]

and here I am not managing on damnation lol

Though tbh I don't know if psyker or ogryn is better, just been trying with my psyker

[green temple]

I don’t have the time needed since I work all day , only 2/3 hours at best

Psyker is not good usually

[vale carbon]

I was using devil's claw, surge, and smite

[sour stirrup]

@clear notch what build were you using in pugs

I havent started trying yet

[vale carbon]

Though I should try with my rending shockwave trauma staff

[flat marsh]

Rending trauma is pretty amazing for hardmode twins

Especially when you decide to DPS Ronald McDonald

[vale carbon]

Better than surge staff?

[fleet zealot]

no cause it got a 75% nerf

from 100% to 25%

[flat marsh]

Way better elite control and you get a ton more damage when your team tries to kill a twin

[fleet zealot]

Lol what

[calm night]

Rending should increase the damage of your teammates as well so It may be a overall dps increase

iirc

[fleet zealot]

yee, I love surge but rn hard to justify over void and trauma being as good as they are

[ripe quest]

How much does it benefit knife over hitting BPs with it's single target damage?

[ripe quest]

Yee it applies Brittleness.

[steep hollow]

i keep saying this randomly. horizontal only eviscerator when

i want every attack to be a horizontal cleave

[calm night]

oh different keyword lol

[clear notch]

tank martyr
there's no other way in pugs i think
if melee girl agro's on you, you'll be pushed to the edge of the room where elite units will spawn and agro onto the nearest dude they see
you need to stay alive long enough and deal enough damage to kill all of those while you're being chased

or kite melee girl to the center of the room and stay there

[fleet zealot]

that would be pointless

[north sedge]

surge staff is trash

[steep hollow]

no that would be awesome

imagine the amount of crowd control and nothing else you could do

[clear notch]

if ranged boy agro's on you, focus on dodging shots, even having twbs didn't make you immune to the stagger because it has knockback

kill adds before popping shields so you have an opening to deal damage

run at the edge of grenades to proc them so the floor doesn't get flooded with nades

melee girl's shields are vulnerable to guns, ranged boy's shields are vulnerable to melee

focus on killing ranged boy first when shield pops so you get rid of the grenades

the grenades are the highest threat in the fight imo

[lusty jasper]

^ what weapons?

[clear notch]

no way to heal corruption

evis mk2 flakiac rampage SS, the chainsaw on the heavy attacks and activated rev attacks deals a lot of damage to shields
it's personal preference on your melee
but you need to have a gun that's built for killing elites
second highest threat in the fight are elites stacking on top of each other and agroing onto one single person

[north sedge]

Just take corruption aura or field improv vet

[clear notch]

no

put corruption resist on your curios

if you can't help but step into grenades

there's no way to take corruption healing on zealot without wasting points

[north sedge]

i mean, i did it with corruption aura

[clear notch]

did you do it with pugs

[north sedge]

just meant no holy rev/until death

no im not psychotic

[clear notch]

i did it with pugs

[gray ice]

I'd have to use knife more in order to accurately weigh them against each other, as it stands I don't use it too much.

From a handful of games (~8) it actually felt like the tradeoff was worth it. Going flak/unarmoured instead of flak/maniac for example. Since most maniacs already have a 1-2 shot BP maniac dmg can be traded for a bit more horde clearing power at no real cost. Unarmoured also helps give you the 2-shot heavy bp on dreg gunners. So if you run flak/unarmoured. you now have that for both gunner types

[sharp zodiac]

I thought this was the okri that chats here but no it's just some random Irish ogryn

[clear notch]

nah let's check

@zinc talon

[rose flower]

Best gun on Zealot for killing carapace if I run heavy sword?

[gray ice]

chastise or no chastise

[rose flower]

Yes

[gray ice]

can basically use anything then

[rose flower]

Chastise with it I imagine is enough then?

[gray ice]

if you want stuff baseline good at it revolver and bolter, but bolter is kinda meh right now

[minor sage]

flak/maniac is most common armor types, but also cover rager types

i think if you're not planning to kill ragers with knife

and just gun them

definitely don't need flak/maniac

[digital yacht]

New revolver does a lot

[gray ice]

ye ik, but without maniac you can still reach 2 heavy dreg rager by just critting

[polar nexus]

You don't waste point if you're the designated chorus bot. Arguably I did with my premade.

[gray ice]

and knife has enough crit chance with all our stuff combined you can practically bank on that happening

[maiden path]

hello zealot chat

does anyone here play hunt showdown

[polar nexus]

Hello beb

[gray ice]

yes people play hunt here

[maiden path]

also is there any idea what the next update's gonna be

[polar nexus]

Yes @zealous basin plays it

[gray ice]

I do, flip does, a few others

[maiden path]

is da game fun solo

it looks cool but also i dont know anyone that would find it fun

[gray ice]

I would recommend having at least a friend for duo

I got into it solo but that was a long time ago, when most people were still new so the skill floor and ceiling was much lower

[polar nexus]

Try contacting Flip. He wants to play all the time.

[clear notch]

i was with pugs
i can't trust them to deal damage
everytime the melee girl wasn't agro'd on me, i was in melee with range boy

[maiden path]

can i hide like the fucking dc sniper

like fortnite.............

just in a bush

its in a swamp right

[clear notch]

i think the agro system works on threat levels?

not sure

[polar nexus]

Yeah I can understand

[clear notch]

but range boy was constantly aiming at me which took off some pressure off the team so they can kill the elites that are agro'd on them instead

i just needed teammates that doesn't die the moment 3 ragers look in their general direction and finally won

[gray ice]

wait

is executor's stacking problem fixed

[ripe quest]

Yes

[gray ice]

fuckin bet

melk has this Imma grab since I don't have new knife yet

[olive raven]

nah you can run anything

[ripe quest]

From what I saw though Precog is just better in most cases so

[olive raven]

martyr isnt a requirement

[olive raven]

tbh very viable

[gray ice]

ye ik

[olive raven]

ik ik

[gray ice]

ik ik ik

[olive raven]

so

what does executor even do

cuz it isnt just

• power

right

[ripe quest]

Uncanny but it's +power

[olive raven]

or is that exactly

[tawny tangle]

dekit if your here its severa, heres my build

[gray ice]

it is quite literally that

read it foo

[olive raven]

ok love the "Power level" being added

[ripe quest]

And I think it has chaining mechanics, if you miss it drops iirc

[olive raven]

bru i didnt know if the LEVEL made it fucking different

you big mf

[ripe quest]

It just doesn't drop on DoT damage lol

[olive raven]

oh lmao such a fun bug

[sharp zodiac]

What am I looking for stat wise in a crusher

Not the big juicy ogryns in armour

[maiden path]

AUUGH

hunt showdown is 50gbs nevermind

[cunning zodiac]

does anyone like the throwing knife?

[maiden path]

whats with every other fucking game being 50gbs

[olive raven]

yes

[maiden path]

compress your game

[ripe quest]

The usual dump Mobility.

[clear notch]

i got close to killing range boy and finally get to the final phase using my own build but i had to switch it to full tank martyr instead so i can put threat on melee girl while staying at the edge of the room so any elite packs that spawn agro's onto me

[olive raven]

many love it

i mean

literally second wind and you cant die

[cunning zodiac]

i often forget my grenades exist, so im trying it out. i must be missing something though cause it feels very lack luster

[olive raven]

hit heads.

Works best on unarmored.

[sharp zodiac]

I don't think there's any mobility

[olive raven]

Defences

[tawny tangle]

love it personally, lets me run a ranged weapon that isnt great at 1 shotting specials

[olive raven]

thats a good crusher so

get rolling tbh

[ripe quest]

Forgot it was that stat distribution. Yee just Defences.

[sharp zodiac]

Hadron is gonna shank this thing in an alley watch

[gray ice]

correct

It's pretty hard to brick a crusher though

[cunning zodiac]

like what? ive been debating bringing VLD recon or autopistol instead of columnus/revolver

[olive raven]

real

[gray ice]

only need skullcrusher

[olive raven]

crushers get the main utility from blessing

[gray ice]

because fun and diverse talent pool

[olive raven]

[gray ice]

time to go throw some auric damns trying this knife

[sharp zodiac]

I'm fucking fucking broke hold on

[ripe quest]

What ranged weapon do you have

[gray ice]

kant

[ripe quest]

[tawny tangle]

flamer, las pistol, headhunter auto are normally what i use when running throwing knife

[ripe quest]

Carry

Carry them

You can do it

[gray ice]

I will do my best not to disappoint

neo believes in himself

[tawny tangle]

if i dont run with throwing knife i use agri shotty for slugs or revolver

[tiny walrus]

https://youtu.be/AdBsvKHVZGU?si=FLGVsuOzwOHWmFmZ

he didn't even take immo nades

[clear notch]

also, with pugs?

[sharp zodiac]

More like

Bitch ass

Ssin

[olive raven]

im so glad i converted you

you are my best conversion ever

[fading vale]

how do agri shotty and throwing knives mislead so many people

[tiny walrus]

flashy

[fading vale]

I suppose so

[tiny walrus]

nice animations

[cunning zodiac]

this what im running with it

[olive raven]

this tree isnt... horrible

[tawny tangle]

pretty similar to my crit build but i run tac ax and chorus. is good

[fading vale]

why hp loss CDR

[olive raven]

tbh if you want CDR take those two points and get pious

[tawny tangle]

oh true thats a one time cooldown isnt it?

[olive raven]

actually wait

[olive raven]

no its just a horrid trade

[cunning zodiac]

is recon really that awful? finding gunners + ranged chaff to be the biggest threat. columnus recoil is rough at long range

[olive raven]

what melee are you running???

cause no TWBS seems like pain

[maiden path]

is darktide still 50gbs?

[fading vale]

it's 1% CDR for 1 HP

[cunning zodiac]

random point tbh

figured more chastise uptime

is it that bad? havent tested it

[fading vale]

is pretty bad

[tawny tangle]

i love recon on vet with the ranged ability, havent tried it any other time. seems like itd blow through ammo SUPER fast

[north sedge]

it's hp dmg, so you have to get smacked in the face and the conversion is terrible

[cunning zodiac]

better off with pious then i imagine

[olive raven]

yea you want TWBS

you want it very badlyt

[cunning zodiac]

?

[olive raven]

Thy Wrath Be Swift

[tawny tangle]

and its a 1 time cooldown right? its not a passive reduction that stays active?

[clear notch]

tight spread shotgun having less primary damage than the two other regular shotguns
tragic

[olive raven]

If you take out the two nodes below Frenzy you can get TWBS

which is ranged + melee stagger immunity

[fading vale]

but bro I can load 1 slug at a time slowly

[cunning zodiac]

this is new evis, dont need to do heavys for horde clear

dont find melee stuns much of an issue

[olive raven]

The benefit is RANGED immunity

[clear notch]

i don't think anyone uses the slug

i hope not

shit sucks

[fading vale]

that's all they use

[ripe quest]

I will not be derailed from the path of finesse weapons.

[clear notch]

what

damn

[cunning zodiac]

really? it says melee attacks in the tool tip

[olive raven]

Welcome to Fatshark, tool tips suck

[ripe quest]

The cream of the Agri is it's primary shot.

[north sedge]

i believe 1% hp is 1% cd, and again....you have to get punched in the face repeatedly

[cunning zodiac]

rip lmaooo

[olive raven]

The tool tips are sometimes

intentionally vague

sometimes blatantly fucking wrong

[cunning zodiac]

so gunners cant slow you down

[olive raven]

sometimes intentionally misleading

Gunners cannot stagger you

but they can suppress

two different mechanics

its fuckin stupid

but TWBS is essential on most things tbh

its QoL

[fading vale]

TWBS = have more fun

[olive raven]

So this video isnt super bad...

He just needs to fix his fucking curios.

The rest is viable

[fading vale]

cause 75% of stagger mechanics are bullshit

[tawny tangle]

does this have the same effect at max stacks?

[cunning zodiac]

better?

[fading vale]

knife revolver throwing knives aka the best build for inting

[olive raven]

Uncanny/Lacerate Knife, HC/Surgical Zarona, talent tree is like, 7/10, etc

the videos curios are just actual wtf

[olive raven]

tbh its a skill check

Throwing knives are fun

[polar nexus]

@coarse birch this is what i told you about

[north sedge]

Yes but you have to stack it while twbs is just available

[olive raven]

TWBS is passive

[tawny tangle]

but muh points

[olive raven]

Punishment is an activated thing

[bleak apex]

Knife mains when they see horde of crushers

https://vxtwitter.com/NoCatsNoLife_m/status/1737008435735240802

[fading vale]

it's a use the broken revolver build

[olive raven]

i mean yes and no

tbh whenever i knife i barely touch my ranged

[fading vale]

tbf knife is good vs crushers if you have uncanny

[tawny tangle]

is good, id swap the 2 in faiths fortitude and node above for sustained assualt and disdain personally

[coarse birch]

ah i see ty

[olive raven]

uh id drop the +2 wounds 💀

[polar nexus]

i love nades, except no fucking vet i ran into is running demo stockpile or field improv best aura by far

[olive raven]

if you arent running martyr wounds are bleh

[polar nexus]

the nade economy was better before patch13

[fading vale]

not really if they have enough braincells to run field improv

but nobody does

for some reason

[polar nexus]

that's the pb

too much choice now, and a lot of points wasted

[fading vale]

literally the best talent in the game

[olive raven]

@cunning zodiac https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae3fb8b-3da7-45bc-8052-be47ee193d17/kram

here is your talent tree fixed

[polar nexus]

it's part of vet hidden fourth keystone

[coarse birch]

field improv is actually so good

it works for anyone putting down a medkit/ammo crate too

which is massive

[olive raven]

dont need to grab the wound talent cause you arent running martyr

You'll shit out damage + you can prolly have a crit engine running

[polar nexus]

yeah i met a vet once running it

i was so glad seeing my corruption getting cleansed

[olive raven]

ngl i should try a piety build

[olive raven]

that talent fuckin does that???

holy fuck

im braindead at times didnt know it

[coarse birch]

yeah itll heal corruption down to a wound

so it cant heal a full wound of corruption

[tawny tangle]

heres a crit piety build i like if you have a good crit weapon

[coarse birch]

but anything else it can

[cunning zodiac]

hows the agripina autogun?

[olive raven]

No TWBS, I cry

[coarse birch]

tbf i also only run TWBS on knife

[tawny tangle]

muh points

[coarse birch]

i dont think its needed

but very nice

it does inarguably remove a very annoying aspect of the game

[olive raven]

TWBS is quite honestly

One of Zealots

S-Tier talents

Alongside Until Death, Second Wind

and shield of contempt

[tiny walrus]

@olive raven what was his curious

[olive raven]

i refuse doing a build without it tbh

[olive raven]

1x Stamina, 1x Tough, 1x HP all running Combat Ability Regen, Gunner Res and like Stamina regen?

[tiny walrus]

why is that bad

[polar nexus]

Yeah I should have mentioned that. But yeah it's so fucking busted

[olive raven]

Combat regen cause he already has it in the talent tree

Gunner res good

[north sedge]

Master of none

[olive raven]

stamina regen can also be good but like

If he did

[tiny walrus]

i run gunner, tough, stam

[tawny tangle]

imagine not running +30 revive speed

[gray ice]

stam regen?

[coarse birch]

yeah i think combat regen is def not needed on zealot

everything else is fine to me

in terms of perks

[olive raven]

3x Tough

3x Tough Perk
3x Gunner
2x Stamina Regen
1x HP

The curios would be better

[polar nexus]

If you don't take survivalist and don't want to feel guilty run field improv. But to be fair, I've ran most of my auric mael without those. So nice, not mandatory.

[olive raven]

thats if he really wanted stamina regen

[tiny walrus]

hp is better than tough dog

[olive raven]

no...

[tiny walrus]

imo

[olive raven]

HP aint gonna regen

[tiny walrus]

i mean my shit don't break

[olive raven]

If you have over 200 toughness it takes 2-3 hits to actually deal damage

[tiny walrus]

i don't run either xd

[digital yacht]

+9 stamina and 3x stam regen is the best

[tiny walrus]

that's what I run no meme

[olive raven]

absolutely best build

i mean

hech what are you running again

[tiny walrus]

or I used to

for sped run

i don't rlly play snaymor

anymore

[olive raven]

ah

[tiny walrus]

I have three toughness ones

[olive raven]

ok good

[tiny walrus]

I got everything maxed and now I'm playing ready or not

[olive raven]

fair

[tiny walrus]

tryna s rank every mission consecutively

with no deaths

[digital yacht]

i run that on every build

[tiny walrus]

the ai in that game is fucking nuts

it shoots through the map

[fading vale]

nobody runs HP stam or stam regen

why would you run more than 1 HP

unless it's a meme build

[coarse birch]

yeah i def wouldnt run more than one

on any class

honestly

[fading vale]

indeed

[coarse birch]

like maybe psyker ig but they have so much toughness regen and whatnot id still run 2 toughness

[fading vale]

1 stam is for vet or psyker

but other than that it's entirely useless

[coarse birch]

ive stopped running it on psyker even

ive found there stam regen to be good enough on its own

it is still nice though

[minor sage]

stam regen is pretty useful on vet

can't really sustain deadshot without 1-2 lines

[fading vale]

yeah vet is really the only one that warrants any stam support

[polar nexus]

This is why my psyker always get shafted at low peril. 😦

[tiny walrus]

lol my dogs eyes

[coarse birch]

do people still run sniper res to keep them under the full wound damage breakpoint or not as much now cause shields + overflow toughness

and whatnot

[ripe quest]

It's pretty commonplace for Ogryns to run HP.

[sour stirrup]

3x 17% Toughness

3x 5% Toughness
3x Gunner Res
3x Revive Speed/Ordo Dockets

🙃

I don’t run anything else

[fading vale]

yeah cause ogryns have no idea what they are doing and get free survivability anyways

[sharp zodiac]

That was an odd run

[polar nexus]

If you run KD yeah... Otherwise just go more hp or tg. Probably tg

[coarse birch]

yeah im ngl i would def run 3x toughnes on ogryn personally

[coarse birch]

yeah i run KD on most builds

[fading vale]

22% toughness on ogryn is actually like 70+ which is bonkers

[polar nexus]

Not enough point for smite EP + vent sadly

[digital yacht]

Having 9 stamina, I can res in the middle of hordes and loot goblin

[coarse birch]

i will admit ive never had issues resing esp when i ran 1 stam

[ripe quest]

I usually run Toughness, but I've seen so many HP users on Ogryn so I remain unsure. It's kinda fun when running the OG Lynchpin setup since you hit max toughness faster.

[polar nexus]

I run at least 2 tg on ogryn. And + 5 on any curios

[sour stirrup]

Revive Speed (Ally) has left the chat

[polar nexus]

It's nice having around 200ish + dr

[cunning zodiac]

is columnus the only auto worth using? agripina or graia any good?

[sour stirrup]

Agri brauto

[maiden socket]

I like agrippa

[ripe quest]

Agri Brauto is very nice, Agri IAG is more suited to Vet imo but it's just harder hitting and slower.

[olive raven]

usually because they have an ogryn's intelligience

[coarse birch]

both are fine imo

but columnus is the best

[olive raven]

If an ogryn thinks not tanking a sniper shot purely off toughness isnt good

they have a few screws loose

[coarse birch]

Graia and Agri have the main advantage of better range

[ripe quest]

I don't think you need +Toughness to do that on ogryn.

[fading vale]

well they lost their entire fire bad argument

[olive raven]

Toughness curios 3x

[cunning zodiac]

find columnus struggles with gunners at range, cause the spread is wild

[coarse birch]

yeah thats its weakness

[ripe quest]

Yeah but they can stack an insane amount of TDR, I don't recall needing any Toughness curios.

[coarse birch]

that agri and graia will make up

but you lose DPS

[minor sage]

it's cuz largest HP pool = largest hp gains from %; but what they don't realize is that having 300 base hp means you literally dont need to invest into HP at all

but people dont see it that way

instead they have tiny brain

[polar nexus]

Dance of death enters the chat.

[sharp zodiac]

Welp, Hadron bricked the crusher

[fading vale]

bigger number does not equal largest, they have absolutely broken TDR

[coarse birch]

yeah thats my main reason for not running HP on ogryn

like

i already have infinite HP base

[minor sage]

ye

[coarse birch]

and all i need to do to get most of my toughness back is heavy attack

[minor sage]

and people like puri make it worse

because i'm sure he's a good player

but he's absolutely terrible

[fading vale]

like you can get a base of 66% TDR just from the minor nodes

[minor sage]

at meta-game

[olive raven]

bro

just stfu dont be goin after puri like that 💀

[minor sage]

so he ends up saying shit that's just suboptimal

[coarse birch]

idk if ive personally had an issue with what puri says

not that ive seen every single one of his takes

[gray ice]

I did it

I think being high makes me play knife better and I don't know how I feel about that

[fading vale]

@calm salmon is a love hate thing, he has half good takes and half bonkers takes that likes using braindead stuff and appears to be a solid player too

[gray ice]

that being said knife feels too fuckin awkward to use more than once a year jesus

[coarse birch]

what dont you like about it

[minor sage]

use a haymaker knife

do it

bitch

[gray ice]

tell hadron to give me one

and then I will politely hold x on that piece of tin

[gray ice]

The graph of effort to use vs. output generated is a fuckin lopsided one

[coarse birch]

yeah you are kinda battling out there

i mostly like it cause its really good at flying around to prio targets

[fading vale]

yeah knife is super high effort for mid reward at best

[coarse birch]

not that we cant do that with chastise crit spam

on everything else

[olive raven]

thing is, if its ogryn stuff i def trust him

[fading vale]

eh

still 50/50

[calm salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-thats-not-hmm-never-mind-算啦-gif-9490570

[gray ice]

Like knife has one thing going for it and it's sacrificed everything else for that just to still be mid at it

I can do prio targets with any weapon, that's a skill and playtime thing more than weapon

[calm salmon]

wait whatd I miss

[coarse birch]

dis was mentioning he does not like your takes

[calm salmon]

That's uh

freezer cold

@ me when something new and interesting happens

[gray ice]

[fading vale]

hey my mention was reasonable

[calm salmon]

This is true

[coarse birch]

oh i didnt even realize you pinged him

[calm salmon]

its kinda funny, the braindead thing

[fading vale]

mama ain't raise no bitch

[calm salmon]

I've been relearning vet finally

and guess what I chose

Melee vet

[coarse birch]

psword?

mk6

[fading vale]

psword and plasma or revolver

[coarse birch]

to be exact

[calm salmon]

actually

the plasma/volvo is right

but 1 sec

[minor sage]

hey we can disagree reasonably here

[calm salmon]

https://streamable.com/v8hr7o

[coarse birch]

i wasnt saying it to start anything

i was just stating what happened

[calm salmon]

The new chainsword, and old chainaxe

new chainsword just cause its good

and chainaxe cause it actually teaches me melee fundamentals

[coarse birch]

i cannot get new chainsword to roll my way

[calm salmon]

literally just spam light attacks

its not super intelligently designed or anything

[coarse birch]

i meant like crafting wise

[calm salmon]

braindead, as lazorr put it

Oh

well rip

[coarse birch]

tbh idk what weapons are super mechanically enganing

[calm salmon]

I think mine is 4% crit chance, 25% flak, tier 4 rampage and savage sweep

[coarse birch]

like knife has a skill ceiling

[polar nexus]

You spam light and occasional heavy on bigger targets?

[coarse birch]

to be an ok weapon

[calm salmon]

No

I forget it has heavy attacks

and just light attack them too

[minor sage]

man

fire was definitely overnerfed lol

[polar nexus]

Wait, you use 4 or 12?

[coarse birch]

this is the vet gameplay i love

[calm salmon]

both

13 currently

but even with OG chainsword I just light attack

[minor sage]

they def need to buff flamers and bombers a bit

[polar nexus]

I need to test the old one

[coarse birch]

yeah its toughness drain feels a little low

[calm salmon]

that's uh

not the right way to go about it

they need to nerf TDR

not buff enemies

Kill TDR in the crib

[coarse birch]

that would also work

[calm salmon]

and bombers go back to being scary

and so does everything else

that's the REAL underlying issue

TDR

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-withers-no-noo-gif-6455368871201756432

[calm salmon]

Ogryn getting 66% for existing

[coarse birch]

actually id nerf player power for sure

[calm salmon]

is just one example of "wtf"

[coarse birch]

cause we have way too much of it

[sharp zodiac]

Not enough

[fading vale]

the issue with prenerf fire was the bonkers HP damage, the toughness damage was fine

[polar nexus]

You can run HP and with the tdr you get and enough tg nodes... Well if you're a good player everything works.

[calm salmon]

I dunno, i think current fire is fine

you still instantly die if grabbed by mutie/dog/boss/trapper

[royal vortex]

dude ogryn has a bigger hitbox like cmon

[ripe quest]

jfc

[fading vale]

tbf I haven't played with new fire lol

[coarse birch]

it doesnt feel quite as scared as id like, but maybe im just used to instant toughness break still

[calm salmon]

You can just run through it now

[coarse birch]

cant use cover

[royal vortex]

so TRUE

[fading vale]

nobody uses cover

so who cares

[royal vortex]

because its not like every damage mitigation mechanic the game gives you baseline

[coarse birch]

it was a JOKE

[calm salmon]

All of you would hate my ogryn gameplay

[royal vortex]

is just fucking immunity to damage

[calm salmon]

I know for a fact the zealot crew I play with does

because its braindead boring

[coarse birch]

dont you just achyls everything

[digital yacht]

i do, shooters no joke

[ripe quest]

You can't diagonal run as long as you can with other classes on Ogryn iirc

[fading vale]

remember the cover bolter zealots in December and January

[calm salmon]

he's just standing in there in the open shooting a machine gun

everything is dying

WHERES MY CHALLENGE

[calm salmon]

YES

[royal vortex]

im ngl u have to play with some real shitters to kill everything with achlys

[polar nexus]

What was that?? I started zealot in March

[calm salmon]

They just let me

I dun really know why

[coarse birch]

i mean if hes playing pubs

[calm salmon]

They're playing zealot

they can race me better to the ammo

[next trench]

the infested damge is really bad isnt it

[calm salmon]

they just let me eat it anyway

[royal vortex]

the achlys is a shittier IAG propelled by the gunlugger ult and thats about it

[coarse birch]

yeah you dont need infested on hsword

[calm salmon]

Well, its an IAG with literally perfect accuracy

[sharp zodiac]

Yes you do don't listen to em

[fading vale]

it was the origin of this

[calm salmon]

which can't really be undersold

[royal vortex]

its an IAG with no finesse mod

[olive raven]

bad sword, low first target

[royal vortex]

essentially

[fading vale]

"infinitely staggers everything out to 1000 meters"

[digital yacht]

Feels bad when you out kill the team with backstab knife zealot

[next trench]

but this is cleaviung sword

[royal vortex]

baseline bodyshot damage is ~1k dps for an iag and ~1.3-1.4k for stubbers

[next trench]

does it matter

[royal vortex]

iirc

[coarse birch]

FT always matters

[polar nexus]

Oh that's the origin lol?

[coarse birch]

as it is how you kill prio targets

[sturdy owl]

How's the XV eviscerator compare to the heavy swords?

[royal vortex]

heavy swords are some of the best zealot melees

[coarse birch]

and take advantage of the very high maniac damage

[olive raven]

yes.

[royal vortex]

eviscerator is decent but it is just

not a heavy sword

[calm salmon]

yep

[fading vale]

hsword will always win against everything except for crushers

[calm salmon]

1200-1400 depending on which stubber

[coarse birch]

evis is good but not Hsword

[strange kestrel]

is this salvageable

[coarse birch]

however Hsword is not a fair comparsion

[calm salmon]

yep

[olive raven]

Heavy Sword, Crusher and Rashad are the best zealot weapons

[coarse birch]

yeah

SS is fine

[royal vortex]

the evis will shred a voidshield if u wanna use it for orthus hardmode

[sturdy owl]

That's what I thought. I spam lights for clear on the 6 right?

[olive raven]

there isnt a competition to reach their level

[fading vale]

yeah hsword is just..... dumb

[royal vortex]

yea

[minor sage]

SS is useless on the 15 fyi

cuz it's target capped

[royal vortex]

heavies for elites/specials

[coarse birch]

yeah

[olive raven]

Yea

[calm salmon]

6 ragers per swing

fair and balanced

we promise

[gray ice]

hey hey

it's 4

[royal vortex]

gorg still having the highest point-blank maniac dps

[strange kestrel]

looks like a brick to me

[olive raven]

1 tapping 2 of them 💀

[royal vortex]

[sharp zodiac]

Thanks brunt, I'll be sure to let Hadron brick em

[royal vortex]

they need to rework the stubber family

completely

[coarse birch]

it can still stagger/proc crit CDR. i wouldnt call it BIS but not bricked

[fading vale]

also meleeing multiple elites is a thing

[ripe quest]

Technically 5 since the swing does first target damage twice, right?

[royal vortex]

i would rather have wrath than SS on the new evis

if ur doin cleave

[olive raven]

yea

[calm salmon]

But yeah, on the topic of achlys, the only reason its so good is because of bullet bravado.

[drifting wolf]

what moves does the hsword 9 use?

[calm salmon]

You can literally just stand in the open gaining infinite toughness

[coarse birch]

lights

[royal vortex]

yup

[calm salmon]

and you get to shoot 300 times without reloading

[royal vortex]

it's a decent special-killing tool for skullbreaker

[olive raven]

idk it just kills shit, i think horizontal mostly

[coarse birch]

although hsword 9 also has good heavies

so like

[gray ice]

I thought so too, but despite trying I haven't been able to do so, pretty sure DB still caps at 4

[fading vale]

light into horizontal heavy and repeat or lights for pure trash mobs

[coarse birch]

idk do whatever tbh

its hsword

[royal vortex]

but its not a gun u can really just sit n shoot unless ur goin gunlugger

[calm salmon]

yep yep

and I of course take it a step further

[ripe quest]

hmm, another thing to test.

[calm salmon]

and put inspiring barrage on it

just to really lean into the immobile turret gameplay

[royal vortex]

i liked inspiring barrage on p13 ripper

[gray ice]

could just be that it hasn't lined up properly, I'll go see

[royal vortex]

since can opener was useless with 30% dominate

and fire frenzy was fucking attack speed

[calm salmon]

I use it on rippers now

cause can opener is dead to me

now that rippers can't waste ammo on crushers

[royal vortex]

can opener will 2-burst a crusher

w/o +carapace

[calm salmon]

fuckin ammo pools on rippers make me cry

[royal vortex]

i had to run +carapace before to do that

[calm salmon]

Uh

its mostly that that 2 ammo actually matters

which is incredibly painful

I can save the ammo and just melee a crusher to death with mk3b basher

[royal vortex]

i miss when u could use the mk2 ripper as basically a second melee weapon

but now there's so many elites

[calm salmon]

A little slower, but helps my ammo economy a bunch

[coarse birch]

yeah ogryn isnt really lacking in anti carapace

[calm salmon]

Yeah, rippers are just fucking awful now