zealot-class

[red mesa]

So theres a new perma stealth bug on zealot - does this only work on the twins fight, or in all matches?

[untold carbon]

My biggest hope is it’s lights to get like 30 more damage and it’s heavies to deal 80-100 more damage. As well as it’s heavies getting a speed boost

[strange kestrel]

Hot take

Melee veteran is better than zealot actually

Shooty class is not so shooty

[uncut scaffold]

that's very cool

[strange kestrel]

Yea

I say if your zealot isnt geared at least a bit to deal with ranged somethings wrong with your build

[uncut scaffold]

shooty zealot better than shooty vet?

[open pollen]

I've been trying melee vet and I just can't get the hang of it. Any suggestions?

[strange kestrel]

In a premade thats fine but you cant jump in a pug with a build that cant do everything

[uncut scaffold]

I'm geared to deal with them, I'm just tired of being the ONLY guy

[strange kestrel]

Weapons specialist voice of command

[strange kestrel]

Happens

[untold carbon]

Made a Hive Ganger melee vet loadout using the light chainsword and mkX Laspistol, been a lot of fun

[open echo]

holy shit hadron is going to brick this so hard

[open pollen]

That is what I'm using. Maybe I got the wrong gun/melee setup

[strange kestrel]

Maybe

[uncut scaffold]

yeah hadron is gonna fuck that up homie

you should probably just give it to me

[open pollen]

What do you rock for that?

[grave topaz]

no it doesnt

[clear knot]

i mean, counterpoint. youre a zealot and your supposed to dive gunner lines/groups to force them into melee or whatnot

[grave topaz]

im literally testing it in psykanium right now

[uncut scaffold]

idk if the gunner spawn rates got increased but I've been running into packs of like 6 or more

[strange kestrel]

I mean melee vet is kinda hard to pull off but if done correctly hes better than zealot 100%

[uncut scaffold]

bum rush one, the other five hose you down and stagger lock you

[strange kestrel]

Im a bit behind on my melee vet i run ps6 revolver but ps6 got nerfed

But trudt use rashad

[strange kestrel]

Dodge

[uncut scaffold]

thanks

[grave topaz]

okay yes maybe in a line but if you can slightly get a angle you can hit multiple with fire and make them bleed as well

[strange kestrel]

Yup

[uncut scaffold]

And then

[strange kestrel]

It sounds like im being condescending but thats literally it

[uncut scaffold]

it sounds like you're being condescending because you are

[open echo]

goodbye 380 hammer

[strange kestrel]

No

You literally dodge

[uncut scaffold]

and then

[strange kestrel]

You kill them

Per usual

[uncut scaffold]

I suppose I just somehow use my infinite dodge charges

[dark zealot]

yep

[dark zealot]

o7

[uncut scaffold]

bad cc stat?

what's the dump stat on crucis? defences?

[open echo]

mhm

[clear knot]

def

[uncut scaffold]

smh my head

[sharp zodiac]

Ense

[strange kestrel]

Bro..

I feel that

[open echo]

iv'e stopped selling good (bricked) weapons incase the crafting system changes

[uncut scaffold]

there's a short list of things I wouldn't do to have a diamantine to plasteel conversion

[open pollen]

I wouldn't mind seeing a video of someone dealing with gunner spam via dodging. My tactic of running directly at them has been hit and miss.

[open echo]

same

[dark zealot]

have you tried the slide?

[open pollen]

Aye. Sliding directly at them also hit and miss. When you're getting hosed it doesn't let you slide dodge again, which I always forget till I am frantically crouching in a haze of bullets.

[ripe quest]

It's per pellet. Test it in the Psyk if you have the debuff indicator mod. If you have Manstopper/Flechette it'll proc normally.

[grave topaz]

Fug you can cheese it kind of at a angle

[open pollen]

Slide dodging directly at the problem is how I deal with 90% of my ranged encounters

[tulip jasper]

bout to get my zealot to 30, my second class to 30

[untold carbon]

For when I get another Laspistol like this what would I replace infernus with? Ranking fire?

[solemn portal]

can someone screen shot me their knife build talent tree

[hollow lagoon]

I'm struggling to think of a reason to take Martyrdom in higher end content

I get the idea of play better sure but being one 1-50 hp perma seems like a liability

[ember yew]

i should create one and name'd McCree

[drifting wolf]

stand in fire at the start of the match and get cool toughness bonuses

[ember yew]

then install ITS HIGH NOON mod

and all golden

[hollow lagoon]

Counterargument: dodge once

[north sedge]

Marty is the the tankiest build

[sharp zodiac]

I love running it with the new evisc or HS

[calm salmon]

you dont

you dont you dont you dont

[steep flame]

i only have 1 black ice 🥲

[calm salmon]

Martyrdom is for stacking buffs from chip damage

intentionally diving into a fire pit the first chance you get is dumb and greedy

No, its a way to get scaling buffs as your HP naturally goes down over the course of a match

[fleet zealot]

^

[hollow lagoon]

It seems I was unaware and the martyrcels I play with are simply cattle

[fleet zealot]

Also the sheer high of being on your last wound of hp and being in god mode

[small kernel]

cc gives aspd

so ye its def for dump

[ornate bone]

Shank gang

[sharp zodiac]

Speedrun to squad wipe /j

[ornate bone]

We shanked a daemonhost to death

[small kernel]

i mean if you are going for breakpoints, intentionally reducing your hp is fine tbh, assuming they dont get downed every 2 mins

[sharp zodiac]

We're in atoma not London

[ornate bone]

Wheyyyyyyy

[trail grove]

Do the Kantrael Lasguns still retain their innate Sniper talent thing?

[ornate bone]

Thought this was a Tesco I did

[trail grove]

Cuz I have a question.

[sharp zodiac]

I don't know actually

[small kernel]

i literally perma run at 1 wound and reset back to 2 wounds whenever i get hit with until death, of course no one is perfect so you would get downed when until death is on cd sometimes but thats usually neglectable unless as i said they die every 2 mins

[trail grove]

I remember that it has this innate Talent built in, but not sure if anything changed.

Assuming nothing did change, combining it with Anoint in Blood...

[sharp zodiac]

Basically my runs but sometimes my game will just say "fuck you I'm gonna stutter at the worst time" which results in an unfortunate death

Down

Whatever

[ripe quest]

You only do that if you're absolutely sure you can dodge stuff. Normal people playing on any unstable difficulty don't do that.

[viral hare]

anything I can do with this or is it just dead

[ripe quest]

You can steal T4 Executor off of it.

[viral hare]

figured, still trying to figure out what blessings are best for new knife

[dense field]

Not a bad idea at all

[delicate shadow]

Uncanny and precog

are pretty much what you want

[dense field]

Always uncanny

[delicate shadow]

executor works too tho

[dense field]

All the time

[ember yew]

i remember doing that for the penance

good times

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[viral hare]

uncanny precog/executor for both shroud and fury builds? or do they take different blessings

[delicate shadow]

same blessings

[uncut scaffold]

hey are US and Mexico on the same servers

[delicate shadow]

I have not a clue

[dense field]

I believe they are

[uncut scaffold]

probably why my game went so poorly lol

end of the game and everyone was speaking spanish

no wonder they had no idea what i was saying

[untold carbon]

Mk4 chainaxe is fun, might use it more

[small kernel]

which is perfectly fine because of how many wounds you have, as i have mentioned nobody is perfect and i find it perfectly okay running martyrdom intentionally on low hp as long as they know what they are doing

[uncut scaffold]

what are the big brain blessings to run on revolver

never run one before

[small kernel]

new one or old one?

[uncut scaffold]

old

[untold carbon]

Mk2 wants surgical and handcannon

[small kernel]

surgical and hand cannon

[delicate shadow]

^

[untold carbon]

Mk14 wants Crucian roulette and handcannon/trickshooter

[hidden nacelle]

based

[uncut scaffold]

perks?

[untold carbon]

Flak and maniac

[uncut scaffold]

reckon I can get away with flak and crit chance seeing as I have to replace both my blessings

[untold carbon]

You can definitely get away with it

[sharp zodiac]

Maniflak

[ripe quest]

@drowsy steppe

[sharp zodiac]

Wow that's a late ass message

I sent that 2 minutes ago

[uncut scaffold]

wack

[vale carbon]

does the agrippa braced autogun get bonuses from something? i swear it's fire rate was changing occasionally.

i know the graia one gets bonuses for bracing

[frosty herald]

do you have momentum

[vale carbon]

is that a blessing or talent i forgor

oh right keystone

[open echo]

hadron nooo

[cerulean pike]

it’s a blessing and a keystone

[frosty herald]

keystone

[vale carbon]

yeah that explains it lmao

[ember yew]

AMD card?

[tulip jasper]

for some reason i just cant get into braced autoguns

[vale carbon]

you mostly use em to spray down hallways

[cerulean pike]

[frosty herald]

i reccomend getting the 75% less spread on dodge talent

[cerulean pike]

columnus IAG or bust

[vale carbon]

get a grey and try it on heresy or something

i can vouch for the graia being a bullet hose tho

[tulip jasper]

i mostly play sedition or uprising

[cerulean pike]

fuck brautos we IAG gang

[bleak apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473657277241622528/1186203759915827291/e6pXsrNOWI6KUXmO.mp4?ex=65926556&is=657ff056&hm=4866fd12bcbb4c3a9971fc8a35890f39be66d33ad73729158b2970ebad5bc7ad&

[tulip jasper]

my favorite autogun is the Vraks MKVII Headhunter Autogun

[frosty herald]

graia is very funny with spread reduction and firing speed

you can create a laser

[unborn depot]

Lord knows I love an IAG but lord also knows I love brautos being fuckbusted

[cerulean pike]

stop fucking the guns gawain

[unborn depot]

Can’t make me. My dads the omnissiah and he says it’s ok

[versed atlas]

What perk should I change

[cerulean pike]

no BM

[tulip jasper]

tbh i probably used braced autoguns wrong i like just taking my time and shooting enemies from immense distances, like standing on the train and sniping a sniper who's standing on the scaffolding across the map

[frosty herald]

you are legally required to put brutal momentum on every weapon that can roll it

[unborn depot]

If pitch crit chance personally. Shreds already doing the heavy lifting there

[versed atlas]

I love crit

[unborn depot]

Thammers don’t take brutal momentum ya grot

[frosty herald]

ironhelm would be even funnier then

[unborn depot]

Ironhelm already doesn’t gaf about hitmass lmao

[oak geyser]

Why do people like Inexorable Judgement when its uptime is 8 seconds per fight and after that you're stuck at like 2 stacks unless you stop swinging for a week?

[versed atlas]

because you can easily get full stacks with dodge

[frosty herald]

dodging

[lean lark]

dodging includes dodging ranged fire

[oak geyser]

How does that work? It still just gives momentum stacks that will disappear at your next swing

[lean lark]

it gives you bigger uptime on momentum stacks

and lets you max them out easier

giving you better pay out of it

[oak geyser]

But you'd still need to stop attacking for a long time right?

[frosty herald]

you can que up stacks whilst your current stacks are active

[versed atlas]

nope

[lean lark]

no

it's not about attacking it's about hitting enemies

[oak geyser]

When I test it in the psykanium any attack I make dumps all momentum stacks I currently have

[frosty herald]

thats intentional

[cerulean pike]

Psykhanium sometimes sucks for testing

sometimes

[frosty herald]

and whilst those stack are active you get the next set of stacks

[oak geyser]

So if you're moving and attacking you'll never stack more than what you get between any given 2 attacks

[cerulean pike]

But yeah you don't lose momentum while it's active during a game

So you can queue stacks just dodging and attacking

[north sedge]

Next set of stacks build up while it's active, the buff is always up in fights

[oak geyser]

Momentum literally just works differently in psykanium? Thats so dumb

[frosty herald]

you cant dodge in the psykarium

[sharp zodiac]

There's nothing to hit ye

Except the voices in your head

[frosty herald]

technically you can but wont proc any on dodge effects

[sharp zodiac]

Wait no that's a different class

[oak geyser]

I dont see what dodges have to do with this when they'd still just add 3 stacks at a time that, how it works in the psykanium, would be dumped on your next attack even if the buff is active

[frosty herald]

do you think momentum is per attack

[oak geyser]

In the psykanium momentum is a buff that accumulates inactive stacks as you move and then on your next attack converts them into an active buff

But while the active buff is active accumulating a smaller number of passive momentum stacks and then attacking removes those stacks without adding to or refreshing the active stacks

[north sedge]

In practice you're pretty much always at 15-20 stacks in a fight

[oak geyser]

I'll give it a shot but sounds sus

[frozen glen]

it's really not that complicated

[north sedge]

You also get those stacks per attack dodged,not per dodge

[ornate bone]

Momentum is great

[agile pivot]

momentum is second best after martyr

[sharp zodiac]

Momentum is nice

[agile pivot]

it gives more value to weapons that really need more attack speed over just damage

like crusher

[sharp zodiac]

Does the heavy evisc apply to that or is it weird

[untold carbon]

I’m a big fan of momentum

[trail grove]

I prefer Blazing Piety + Scourge

[agile pivot]

I think blazing piety is ass ngl

[royal sierra]

is the melkman kind to me?

[oak geyser]

Piety plus Scourge is very powerful given the F spam it enables with invocation of death

[sharp zodiac]

Blazing can be amazing

[agile pivot]

it feels incredibly weak compared to the other two

[sharp zodiac]

With a few weapond

S

[trail grove]

Yes, exactly

[oak geyser]

The uptime it gives you on Chastise gives an attack speed buff that is just as good as max momentum stacks

[royal sierra]

aight

[trail grove]

Especially with my Lacerating knife.

[agile pivot]

we got a lacerate user in chat

[sharp zodiac]

Oh god St I wouldn't say that if I were you

[agile pivot]

where is dough

dough

[oak geyser]

You dont need a lacerate knife, you just need any weapon with high cleave

[agile pivot]

the gif please

[north sedge]

But momentum gives melee and ranged dmg too

[trail grove]

Nah

[agile pivot]

also in practice the extra damage from critting is like

what

[oak geyser]

So does critting every attack lmao

[trail grove]

The new knife with lacerate's proccing too many crits

[agile pivot]

15%?

[oak geyser]

Is it 15% base or 15 real?

[sharp zodiac]

Something like that

[agile pivot]

its not a whole lot

[trail grove]

Don't care if it's not the meta

[agile pivot]

crit is kinda distinctly meh in this game unless you have 100% precog uptime

[trail grove]

I just like it.

[fleet zealot]

Flesh tearer is just better

No offense

[agile pivot]

you want uncanny and precog

[oak geyser]

Piety also gives you a tool for instantly refreshing your toughness very frequently and staggering a lot of elites

[agile pivot]

you will get bleed from the talent

[north sedge]

Knife gets real crit dmg (if you're doing heavies to weakspot)

[fleet zealot]

But if you want to maximize bleed and be off meta

[oak geyser]

Whereas the knife build babies just dump all the enemies on teammates instead of dealing with them

[fleet zealot]

Flesh tearer +uncanny is the way to go

[agile pivot]

its not by a long shot

someone post the breakpoint calculator values

[fleet zealot]

Please read all of my posts

[agile pivot]

I cant read

only melee

[frosty herald]

people dont realize the reason bleed does so much damage is cause of rending affecting bleed damage

[fleet zealot]

My bad i wasn’t familiar with your game

[frosty herald]

dont use bleeding on a crusher cause it wont work

[fleet zealot]

Or that it caps at 16

[frosty herald]

it ramps up very quickly

but rending is needed

[fleet zealot]

But bloodletter definitely helps me get crusher breakpoints /j

[agile pivot]

I think its funny that bleed does more with rending

[coral trellis]

Is crucis hammer with thrust still the best for taking out bosses?

[fleet zealot]

Yep

[ripe quest]

For Unyielding it is yeah.

[agile pivot]

long time warframe player

so like

[fleet zealot]

Dork frama

[agile pivot]

I just assume bleeding is armor piercing

[frosty herald]

thammer for unyielding bosses chain weapons for captains and twins

[agile pivot]

in every game

[versed atlas]

killing bulwarks with a single light attack from the achlys axe feels disgusting

[hidden nacelle]

uncanny is fun to use with throwing knives as well

[oak geyser]

So by testing I have been able to confirm that the reason you keep uptime on momentun in fights is because the mechanics of the keystone are different in missions than they are in the psykanium even ignoring the difference made by dodges

In the psykanium it always negates stacks on attack, in missions you accumulate stacks until you attack without an active buff

[fleet zealot]

Lol what send that proof

So i can laugh at fatshark

[oak geyser]

Meaning that as long as you can accrue 20 more stacks during the 8 second period that stacks are active you will remain at 20 stacks at all times

[ripe quest]

Traitor captain mfers when I hit them with my Chain Axe accidentally blessed with the spirit of a Thammer.

[north sedge]

No it definitely works the same in psyk

[oak geyser]

It literally doesnt I tried it like 20 seconds ago and you are wrong

I will put money on it

I will put 50 dollars cash money on it right now

[frosty herald]

it works the exact same

[frozen glen]

it definitely works the same in psyk

[oak geyser]

It literally doesnt the passive stacks are consumed on every attack in the psykanium

[small kernel]

[frosty herald]

you dont notice it in missions cause your not moving as much

[frozen glen]

I'm in bed go test it yamato

[oak geyser]

I just queued into a mission for the sole purpose of making observations about its behavior and its behavior is different in the psykanium than in missiosn

[frosty herald]

im lazy

[oak geyser]

In missions inactive stacks are not consumed until there is no active buff, in the psykanium inactive stacks are consumed on every attack

[coral trellis]

Chain axe more pratical in usage for damnation?

[oak geyser]

Are y'all gonna make me install capture software just to fix the genestealer brainworms infesting zealot chat?

[frosty herald]

i think you either have a visual bug with too many buffs being displayed or are interperting the talent wrong

[oak geyser]

I think shut up until you go test it right now because you're wrong

[hidden nacelle]

lol god damn

[oak geyser]

lmao it just changed when I changed my build one sec

[ornate bone]

It could very well be bugged

[tulip jasper]

i love violently wiggling my stim.... FOR THE GOD EMPEROR

[oak geyser]

It behaves inconsistently in the psykanium

Let me see if I can reproduce it

[ornate bone]

I'm gonna RMB my stim on the elevator corner

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-mappa-plug-walk-gif-16917379500186788506

[ornate bone]

brb

[untold carbon]

It’s much more practical than it used to be, both the mk4 and the mk12

[trail grove]

I still stand by my lacerate blade.

[coral trellis]

Thanks. Guess its time to make one then

[oak geyser]

After y'all talked about the dodge build I changed my weapon loadout and perks slightly and I don't remember the previous configuration off the top of my head

[royal summit]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[oak geyser]

But something about those configuration changes also changed the psykanium momentum behavior

Fatshark Be Normal Challenge (literally impossible)

[untold carbon]

For the mk12 you mainly want headtaker and thrust, momentum plus max thrust stacks let’s you one shot a crusher with a reved heavy without using chastise

[coral trellis]

Is there a difference between the 2 chain axe?

[frosty herald]

one is boring the other has a cool stab push attack

and sluggish lights

[oak geyser]

Old axe (mk iv) does a vertical light attack with free rev and a sweeping heavy attack without free rev, new axe has those reversed

[hidden nacelle]

take that back

[ripe quest]

Both variants are currently Auric Maelstrom certed.

[untold carbon]

The lights on the mk4 stick to enemies and deal rev damage while it’s heavies don’t where as the mk12’s lights don’t but it’s heavies do

[north sedge]

They finally passed their license exam

[oak geyser]

Has anyone else observed strange momentum behavior in psykanium? This is going to drive me crazy all damn day

[untold carbon]

Also both the mk4’s heavies are horizontal while the mk12’s heavies are overheads

[hidden nacelle]

no its working as intended

[north sedge]

No and i play momentum 99% of the time

[frosty herald]

fatshark is gaslighting you

[oak geyser]

Its behavior changed when I changed my perks and loadout

[delicate shadow]

All of zealot's keystones are good/viable

[ripe quest]

It'd be nice. There are multiple mechanics that function different in solo lobbies, if you're confident a video would be helpful. OBS is free.

[delicate shadow]

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[hidden nacelle]

dunno nurgle cursed ur game i guess

[coral trellis]

so one good for spamming heavies for hordes and lights on big enemies, other is lights for hordes and heavy for big guys. Sums it up?

[north sedge]

NERD

[oak geyser]

I wish I'd gotten it on capture because it had me convinced momentum was bad, but now I've changed my loadout, dont remember what i was on before, and Im trying out a ton of stuff to reproduce the buggy behavior

[untold carbon]

What perks do you want on martyrdom curios aside from wounds? Toughness, hp and gunner and sniper resist?

[oak geyser]

Sort of, even the one whose lights is good for hordes still does more rev damage to a a crusher or something on a heavy, but having quick armor penning lights lets it quickly tap down single targets lie ragers and gunners who dont really need a heavy quickly and safely

[ember yew]

MK12 can oneshot crusher with Trust / rev heavy

[ripe quest]

In a simplified sense yeah. Chaxe uses their base attack rev and the special rev for single target, the non-rev base attack for crowds.

Both Chaxe's can 1 shot Crushers.

[north sedge]

Mk4 can as well

[delicate shadow]

the reason solo lobbies sometimes function differently is that you're hosting as opposed to in-mission where you are client-side

also the psykh is coded differently to maps in a lot of different ways and that can also influence interactions. Not saying that's the case here just explaining why there can be discrepancies

[ember yew]

nvm then

[untold carbon]

@north sedge appreciate you pal

[oak geyser]

Mk4 needs more buffs to do it

[ripe quest]

For a bit solo lobbies with weapon customization mod let you infinitely hold charge weapons, was so fun.

[coral trellis]

And both weapons, you want the same perks and blessings?

[frozen glen]

all keystones are bad except the one I use

[oak geyser]

IIRC Mk12 can do it without martyrdom

[frozen glen]

goodbye

[oak yacht]

So when I'm using the daggers, do I spam light attack, does that do the most dps? When do I use heavy attacks?

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[north sedge]

Heavy basically always

[neat badge]

thoughts

[oak yacht]

Oh really? Light attacks aren't useful for anything?

[untold carbon]

Both can have any combination of headtaker, slaughterer and thrust

[north sedge]

Good base, but missing blaze away

[oak geyser]

Would have been great back before the flamer nerf, now effective vs hordes but redundant since so is everything else

[north sedge]

Flamer is still strong

[oak geyser]

Against what?

[frozen glen]

yeah flamer nerf hit the flamer hard and it's useless now

[neat badge]

how bout dis

[ripe quest]

Thrust/Headtaker/Slaughterer. Flak + Elites works on both, Mk IV likes Carapace and Unyielding and Mk XII likes Maniac.

[ripe quest]

Neither need Martyrdom.

[frozen glen]

flamer is garbage ass doodoo stinky don't use it

[buoyant pecan]

Totes dude so useless

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/literally-all-of-it-saturday-night-live-all-of-it-its-all-of-it-everything-gif-23823856

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-water-swimming-perfect-gif-19877762

[frosty herald]

Flamer is as useless as tac axe 10]%

[coral trellis]

Thanks for the information everyone

[ripe quest]

10%

[buoyant pecan]

Emerged the flamer is so useless. MAN ITS SO 👎

[sharp zodiac]

Flamer more like

Lamer

[buoyant pecan]

I hate chastising with flamer and killing everything in range, indiscriminately

[coral trellis]

oh wait

[buoyant pecan]

Aweful

[coral trellis]

sorry i just saw

new combat blade?

[frozen glen]

WRONG ur supposed to flamer first and THEN chastise

[coral trellis]

difference?

[drifting wolf]

stop flaming the flamer!!! stop it NOW.

[buoyant pecan]

My method is better

[ripe quest]

It tries to be better at crowds.

[buoyant pecan]

I flame half the mag then chastise

[frozen glen]

Ur a plasma vet don't talk to me

[buoyant pecan]

For the rest

[buoyant pecan]

Mad cuz bad

https://tenor.com/view/hate-us-they-aint-us-james-franco-the-i-nterview-gif-3892619

[sharp zodiac]

Then why is it called a flamer if it cannot take the heat

[coral trellis]

Assuming the important word to note is "try"

[ripe quest]

H1 and H2 have a sweep, not a great cleave profile though. I think the lights are better for crowds than the Mk III's are.

[frozen glen]

shut up EXHIL u only know to use CHAXE

[coral trellis]

combat blade.... cleavings......

[trail grove]

My non-bleed knife.

[ripe quest]

I use the bad weapons exclusively. It's a shame that the bad weapons aren't as bad anymore.

[small kernel]

i am kinda late but nvidia has its own capture function so could use that pretty easily

[coral trellis]

honestly would be more dumbfounded if it actually worked

[frozen glen]

bad weapons like the flamer

[ripe quest]

yee my offmeta loadout rn is Hsword Flamer with a second wind Martyr build

[small kernel]

non-bleed knife brother

[untold carbon]

Off meta is the only meta

[sharp zodiac]

Off season

[trail grove]

I prefer my Bleed Knife, by virtue of having a push stab.

[frozen glen]

we know u like ur bleed knife

[trail grove]

By this point, true-

[sharp zodiac]

Honestly I was expecting fleshtezrer

[dense field]

unarmored

https://tenor.com/view/mild-headache-headache-brain-aneurysm-memes-discord-gif-26492554

[trail grove]

I'm now thinking of using this.

[naive linden]

Yoo what are the best autoguns?

[oak geyser]

How is the new knife vs the old one?

[dense field]

yes

[sharp zodiac]

I'd slap on brutal omentum

[neat badge]

ran out of plasteel to swap it lol

[oak geyser]

For zealot, the best autogun is any autogun with Stripped Down, +2 Stamina, and +20% sprint efficiency

[naive linden]

whats the difference

[trail grove]

New knife, I can actually deal damage to a bunch of elites.

[oak geyser]

Bullets are for cowards, the God Emperor created guns to give us emotional support while we run through enemy bullets

[sharp zodiac]

I eat the bullets

Tasty

[trail grove]

New knife has better wide attacks.

[naive linden]

I fell like I'm being trolled

[dense field]

Rate of fire and damage. Agripinaa also has a bit more cleave

[trail grove]

Old knife is more focused on single target.

[oak geyser]

What Im describing is a good but niche build that is specific to a certain playstyle

[ember yew]

and more stagger?

tho i havent used it in like 2 months

[brazen umbra]

isnt there a power longsword in the files

[tulip jasper]

hit 30 on my zealot

[dense field]

Also headhunter agripinaa is a forbidden gun

[dense field]

I believe so, yeah

[trail grove]

Dumb stuff

[sharp zodiac]

Perks kinda micky bicky with a side of Robert loisure but the blessings are good

[open echo]

bricked?

[shadow spruce]

Stan gone

[open echo]

i'm fine with bloodletter

[sharp zodiac]

Did he implode

[shadow spruce]

Idk

[naive linden]

should I change one of the perks?

[shadow spruce]

He just hasn’t said anything in a while

[sharp zodiac]

No

They're good

Well

[trail grove]

Upgrade Maniac damage

[dense field]

No it's good enough

[open echo]

would flak or manic be better for this?

[sharp zodiac]

Test it and compare

[dense field]

Save a swap to have options

[trail grove]

Or upgrade Bromentum

[shadow spruce]

@hushed knoll is you alive

[north sedge]

Stan was in here like yesterday

[open echo]

too broke

[sharp zodiac]

Oh

[shadow spruce]

I haven’t been here for like two weeks

It’s been one of the best two weeks of my life

[ripe quest]

I missed you.

[shadow spruce]

I didn’t miss you.

[sharp zodiac]

Sadge

[fleet zealot]

Only person i cared about on here left

🐸

[shadow spruce]

Yog?

[sharp zodiac]

What's wrong with that bird

[buoyant pecan]

Clearly it was yog

But alas. Fun is illegal and Yog was fun

[fleet zealot]

Yea

Did yog actually get banned

[fleet zealot]

I thought he just left

[sharp zodiac]

Get that beaver outta th got damn camera

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ferrets-stealing-stealth-steal-gif-26903643

[sharp zodiac]

Pillow

[sharp zodiac]

Aw hell nah the Ferrari is taking the, what is that headphones

Yeah headphones

[buoyant pecan]

No he was told to stop spamming frogs

By a mod

During a time there was no ontopic discussion

[shadow spruce]

No no

A mod told all of us to stop gif spamming

So he left

[buoyant pecan]

Oh so I'm partially wrong

NO ONE was on topic and the Mod in question wasn't having any of it

Boy

I wonder

Which mod

[coral trellis]

What should I change?

[buoyant pecan]

That was

[worldly nebula]

There’s one answer to that question, and there’s an answer that gets one banned shot

[polar nexus]

On the chaxe you'd prefer flak / carapace elite

[oak geyser]

Crit damage to carapace or flak

[shadow spruce]

I’d look at the names of who’s online but discord UI moment

You can’t swipe left anymore, it just replies

[uncut scaffold]

I'm really liking heavy sword

thought I wouldn't, but here i am

[coral trellis]

For both types of chain axes?

[oak geyser]

Crit damage is only good on a few specific weapons that have very high crit multipliers, and even they usually benefit more from crit chance except in the case of zealot crit build

[delicate shadow]

yog isn't banned, no

I like Yog, we talked about mushrooms and frogs a lot

[shadow spruce]

Aquila opinion on the mobile UI update?

[north sedge]

Crit dmg is bad across the board

[coral trellis]

gotcha

[delicate shadow]

it's shit but that's hardly a new opinion

[coral trellis]

cool cool, gonna test these guys out. see if it's worth to invest resources for a "perfect" version

thanks peeps

[shadow spruce]

I can’t swipe to see who’s online anymore

[oak geyser]

A "perfect" weapon is usually pointless, you just want one that hits all the relevant breakpoints

[uncut scaffold]

emperor's bullet actually sounds like a way to make the new revolver useful

[oak geyser]

Wouldnt it be better for the old revolver or a shotgun where you can deliberately reload only one bullet?

[sharp zodiac]

I just had auto update turned off and kept the old version so I never have to deal with the UI bs

[coral trellis]

never know what that is. just make more to replace current

[shadow spruce]

It’s the second time they’ve tried this swipe to reply shit

I fully expect them to revert it in a bit

[worldly nebula]

Just tap on the channel name way way up at the top

[sharp zodiac]

I'll give It a few months before they do and then try it a 3rd time

[shadow spruce]

Mfw they didn’t mention it

[sharp zodiac]

Discord doesn't tend to learn from their mistakes

[shadow spruce]

Neither does fatshark

[clear knot]

Discord is shit

They have been for a while

[worldly nebula]

And now swiping left on a message automatically begins a reply

[clear knot]

Shit place to work too

[worldly nebula]

Instead of long-pressing it

If you reply a lot, it’s actually a bit better

[clear knot]

You can still long press

[worldly nebula]

True

[clear knot]

I’d rather long press

[shadow spruce]

I mean the swipe is nice I’d just wish they’d mention they add it when they add it

Like I understand the thought process

[worldly nebula]

How would they mention it? In the update popup that we all instantly dismiss?

[shadow spruce]

Yes

[clear knot]

^

[worldly nebula]

What if I told you it was there and you didn’t read it?

[delicate shadow]

I love a good press

[clear knot]

REAL

[shadow spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-cat-hip-gif-22084636

[ripe quest]

He was a special light in the damp dark depths that is this channel.

[worldly nebula]

Zealot chat try to stay on topic of Darktide challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[open echo]

holy fuck why does the kinfe have so a well animated random inspect animation

[fleet zealot]

Idk maybe darktide should git gud

So i dont feel compelled to play a 20 year old game instead

[clear knot]

No more sylveon

[oak geyser]

It sucks that their big "Its finally good now" update was right before the inevitable 3 month break

[fleet zealot]

Yee

Instead it is a black footed ferret

Wild and native to north america

Nearly hunted to extinction

Glad they are making a comeback

[clear knot]

That is nice to hear!

Lil cutie that one

[coarse birch]

Is zealot chat being wholesome rn

[sharp zodiac]

For the time being

[ember yew]

isn't it like 2-3 weeks?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdG51aGF5ejhwbzJmd2RoYjQ5ZmRmZnlsb2trMHJiZ3k2OTJybGlzeiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/pdXittpi48UzC/giphy.gif

[sharp zodiac]

My fingers are freezing who has warm body

[royal sierra]

omg me o////o

[coarse birch]

Im wearing a sweatshirt

Does that count

[sharp zodiac]

I had o stay outside handling this dumb horse and yes

Good enough

[worldly nebula]

I’d say it was more like Patch 12…

[royal sierra]

yoof, git yerself some mittens

[sharp zodiac]

I LACK MITTENS I ONLY HAVE 2 KITTENS

[royal sierra]

I got a pair from the canadian winter olympics that still live to this day

[coarse birch]

I played a little darktide

[worldly nebula]

Yes… yes you have

[coarse birch]

Probably still tame for the discord though lol

[sharp zodiac]

Why the fuck are you Canadian

[worldly nebula]

101 days in a row ain’t nothin to sneeze at

[coarse birch]

For a while i was checking melk Manually

Which def increased the streak

[clear knot]

I had like 960 something sessions

[coarse birch]

On dt

Or total

[clear knot]

Dt

[bright atlas]

wrath vs savage sweep on the eviscerator, fellas?

[coarse birch]

Sweep

[clear knot]

It was 50% of my playtime

[royal sierra]

damn I don't have a reaction for that in my cringe meme folder

[hardy surge]

hey how are you seeing that chart?

o.o

[coarse birch]

Im surprised it wasnt more for me

[clear knot]

I play mucho game

[coarse birch]

But ig i started a little late

[worldly nebula]

LiVe SeRvIcE sLoT mAcHiNe

[coarse birch]

Since i wasnt grinding till April

[north sedge]

its steam year in review

[coarse birch]

Yeah also it's steam review

Its on store page for mobile

[north sedge]

same for desktop

[sharp zodiac]

Warm finallyyyy

[coarse birch]

Sometimes i wonder if this exists to make feel as though i have no life

[clear knot]

I only played really since sycorax.

[north sedge]

get down with the sycorax

[delicate shadow]

I didn't much bother until patch 13 lol

[left iron]

Man, play time dropped quite significantly when BG3 released

[north sedge]

you can see on mine when bg3 came out

lol

[delicate shadow]

same lmao

[coarse birch]

The gameplay hooked me enough I was willing to put up with old dt

[royal sierra]

ah beans

[delicate shadow]

yea I just went back to verm lmao

[coarse birch]

I dont blame you

I played low int dogs for a month

Cause its all that was up

Old dogs too

[coarse birch]

Cant say you missed much

[dense karma]

only really hopped on september

[north sedge]

my time went down when sf6/remnant2/bg3 hit

[coarse birch]

Remnant 2 was good

[north sedge]

though funnily i was still playing weekly, just looks like nothing on graph

[left iron]

Its also really obvious when a new interesting mod pops out for Rimworld and i do another playthrough

[royal sierra]

mine went down when I moved an entire continent away and only had a steam deck

[hardy surge]

that 2 month break was Remnant 2 release. 300 hours on it and then back to the tide

[coarse birch]

Similar with ER for me, you can see when i started doing challenge runs after initially beating the game

[leaden bridge]

Can anyone explain to me how to use the heavy sword special?

[sharp zodiac]

All I've played that's sucked up Darktide play time is code vein

[coarse birch]

Damn i played that a while ago

[cerulean pike]

see enemy
press special button

[shadow spruce]

we should do a co-op run

[coarse birch]

Yeah i dont really use the special

Its like fine

[cerulean pike]

I only use the special on crushers

[coarse birch]

But heavy attack exists

[sharp zodiac]

I like to overhead to special

[cerulean pike]

Cause special has higher ADM on carapace I believe

Heavy and light attack for everything else

[coarse birch]

I did use it on crushers wasnt sure if it actually did anything tho

And i havent played hsword in a minute

[leaden bridge]

I was just confused because it says it starts a backlash combo

[cerulean pike]

I’m just bad at hsword. I’m apparently not peanut brained enough for it

[coarse birch]

Yeah you arent turning your brain off enough

Simply run into everything

[fleet zealot]

Ragers if you dont have punishment stacked or doing h1 special attack combo for crushers to the head

[coarse birch]

Damn more achievements than me despite almost triple your sessions

[clear knot]

Rashad + momentum keystone

[left iron]

I actually played the multiplayer mod with a friend, it gets super hard to continue after 10 pawns/2 years gametime because of desync issues, so it'd be a doomed run no matter what, and most mods make the desyncing worse

[shadow spruce]

yeah, i know

it sucks tho

cause its a good mod in theory

[left iron]

It needs a little bit more in the oven and maybe Tynan, seeing it has been done, puts it in as a feature in the base game in the future DLC

[shadow spruce]

NO DO NOT MAKE THAT MAN MAKE US PAY ANOTHER 50 DOLLAR DLC FOR MP

PLEASE DO NOT

I HAVE ALREADY DROPPED 100 BUCKS MINIMUM ON IT

[oak geyser]

If we're talking about Rimworld I've gotten 10 times my money's worth and Tynan can have what he asks for

[frosty herald]

Once dragons dogma 2 comes out my playtime will be dogmazillion

[shadow spruce]

so have i but i cant justify 50 dollar dlc

[oak geyser]

Realistically Tynan cant add that as a DLC anyway, the game's base code wasnt made for it

Honestly there's a lot of stuff being held back by its now-dated base code

If Multiplayer is ever officially supported itll most likely be a release feature on a hypothetical Rimworld 2

[shadow spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

that would be extremely unbased of them

[frosty herald]

Rimworld 1.5

[ornate bone]

Keep yourselves safe

[quaint verge]

[left iron]

Not a BG3 enjoyer, i see

[quaint verge]

im too impatient

[cerulean pike]

Just play path of exile

[quaint verge]

poe is boring

[left iron]

This was my first session of BG3 on release

[frank night]

may be a fan of bg3 : )

[frosty herald]

Pumped out a 15 hour session for yakuza 5

The final chapter was longer then expected

[hardy surge]

how did you get that little image of your 5 most played games? I can't find it on web nor mobile

[frosty herald]

Go to share your review

Its at the bottom of the page

[left iron]

Lmao

[frank night]

or at the top

[frosty herald]

On pc at the top on mobile the bottom

[hardy surge]

thank you

[lean lark]

only 403 achievements?

weak!

[frosty herald]

Shush

[coarse birch]

I will not post mine then

[frosty herald]

Dark souls 2 peak

[lean lark]

personally i havent really been continuing my 100%-ing of every game i own

[placid fiber]

lol

[lean lark]

this year was a slop compared to last year

[coarse birch]

Let me crop that better

[frosty herald]

Cant wait for dragons dogma 2 to get like 500 hours with me

[hardy surge]

you excited for MH Wilds btw?

[frosty herald]

Y E S

[hardy surge]

same

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-mhw2-mhw-gif-15261886987224379055

Gta 6 move outta the way

[coarse birch]

Yeah wilds i am very excited for

[delicate shadow]

I'm a touch lost on this one because the only stealth game I played is hitman and it's...probably the only third person game as well lmao

[frosty herald]

The real goty of 2025 is here

[frosty herald]

I done broke the graph

[left iron]

I dont think i played a single souls-like this year

[hardy surge]

remnant maybe?

[left iron]

Nah, didnt play

[hardy surge]

no idea then

[coarse birch]

Souls like can be pretty broad on steam

[hardy surge]

for real

Darktide is the soulslike of coop shooters. or something

[mental coral]

but what about GTFO

[ornate bone]

Every dark has its tide

[mental coral]

where you get this btw

[ornate bone]

GTFO is Darktide but your character can use the command prompt

[mental coral]

oh nvrm I see

i have to open up steam

[left iron]

Shocker

[mental coral]

oh right it doesn't have ffxiv included

was wondering how darktide was my most played game

ffxiv isn't linked to my steam

[hardy surge]

oh right! ffxiv has to be up there as well

too bad we can't see it

[coarse birch]

I havent played ffxiv because i know it will steal my life more than games already do

[left iron]

I also dont have GW2 here

[coarse birch]

Esp since ff is my fav franchise

[left iron]

I made my first legendary this year in GW

[ember yew]

top tier story content though

[ornate bone]

I heard GW is very fun, but paid to play

[left iron]

[ornate bone]

Does it have the 9 classes too?

[left iron]

Not only that, theres an hourly subscription fee

[ornate bone]

No

I refuse

[left iron]

[open echo]

nice

[ornate bone]

It okei

[open echo]

i had had to scroll though so many payday 2 achievements

[torn stream]

oh! Are we sharing our spider graphs?

[hardy surge]

based

[coarse birch]

Damn a lot of souls players in here

Although its not a rare franchise ig

[calm salmon]

dis is mine

I'm not really sure what counts as an extraction shooter in my library

quasimorph, I guess.

But that's not really. . . a shooter per se

@strange kestrel Quasimorph is super pogged by the way

I hope you can deal with instantly dying though

and having literally zero recourse. Do everything right and you just walk into a room and instantly die because your flashbang missed a guy

[fleet zealot]

Crimas

Almond vanilla sugar cookies, gonna frost them tomorrow

[frosty herald]

CHRISTMAS RAHHHH

[fleet zealot]

Christmas just a week away

[heavy arch]

what’s the 40k equivalent of Christmas

[frosty herald]

Sanguinala

[polar nexus]

@ripe quest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdBsvKHVZGU&t=607s look after 10:07

[heavy arch]

They celebrate sanguinus dying not the emperor killing Horus?

neat

[ripe quest]

Yeah that's a known bug. You can chain it for unlimited shroudfield ults.

[fleet zealot]

No they celebrate it like christmas

Or well

Easter

When sanguinius died for our sins or whatever

Celebrating sacrifice cause that is one of the driving mantras of the imperium

[open echo]

or use the certain bug that allows you to spam infinite shroudfeild

[frosty herald]

Perhaps the most revered day on the Imperial Calendar, Sanguinala commemorates the sacrifice of the Primarch Sanguinius

[glass pelican]

Dark souls 2 enjoyer

[ripe quest]

I'm talking about that bug. From what I understand the reason it works is because of that mentioned "you get the ult buff but there's a delay".

You can exploit the delay and chain shroudfield, hence the bug.

[glass pelican]

i wasn't expecting darktide to be there tbh

[open echo]

ah

[polar nexus]

I thought shroud didn't apply to entirety of the rev dmg

[hardy surge]

underrated game

[glass pelican]

i probably like it more than dark souls 3

[ripe quest]

The finesse damage isn't applied unless you ult after the first tick. No clue about the backstab, I've never thought to test it. Both Shroudfield and Fury only give the guaranteed crit if you ult prior.

[frank night]

I bounced off the dlc

I walked up to some hallway that was made of fire every ten seconds or so in the cinder king or whatever

and just went

nah

im ok

outside of the fire hallway

[ripe quest]

A thing to note as well with chain weapons and Fury. If you do an ult after the first tick you get just about full ult damage, varies with each chain weapon. You get a 2nd free guaranteed crit right after too. Makes it a really buggy sidegrade where you lose the mobility of the charge but you get a 2nd free crit after.

I think this works with Shroudfield too, but it was mentioned in that video already.

Depending on the build and situation this technically makes the chain weapon ult thing better than the intended mechanic.

But it's dumb to execute and isn't communicated

[north sedge]

believe its the same with shroud

[lapis cave]

wait, so charge chain weapon, attack, use ability afteryou make contact, skip animation, get full chain weapon damage + free followup crit?

[ripe quest]

Also that crit CDR part afterwards is so soul crushing bro. "with such an incredible uptime on shroudfield" showing him getting 4.5 seconds max per swing 💀

[polar nexus]

This week we had 2 DT YouTubers doing stealth knife zealot build. We're fucked.

[ripe quest]

wdym skip animation

[fleet zealot]

Dont skip the animation with dodging you stop your damage

[polar nexus]

I don't always use Crit cdr when I am going stealth so 4.5s per swing is good for me 😄

[fleet zealot]

Rev, swing, connect, chastise, let it rip

[lapis cave]

what's the point of triggering ability during charged chain weapon attack then. I clearly don't understand

[fleet zealot]

Because if you use chastise before

It doesnt get the buff

[lapis cave]

ahhh

[fleet zealot]

The first tick eats the chastise buff and this had been a bug since

Well, as long as I have played

[ripe quest]

You basically just hit a rev, ult, then your next hit is just a plain crit.

[polar nexus]

My targets die too fast for chastise

[ripe quest]

yee but like, chainsword is right there

[polar nexus]

Ahhhh, the stuff used to cut wood

[dark zealot]

but the funni stab stab stab

[polar nexus]

Forgot about that 😄

[ripe quest]

It's kinda fun to run Crit CDR shroudfield with it since it likes finesse and can get your ult back in 2-3 swings depending on enemy comp.

New one hits hard as well.

[polar nexus]

With new knife?

[dark zealot]

if you do silly things with talents you can get crit cdr and the back stab 20%

[fleet zealot]

No

Chsword

[polar nexus]

You want flesh + scourge or is scourge enough?

[fleet zealot]

And would also work with evi and dclaw

[polar nexus]

Oh yeah we talking about chword.

[left iron]

Chord

[polar nexus]

Rashad too

[dark zealot]

chainsword is nice but zealots selling point was always the evis

[polar nexus]

Ch'rd

[vast jasper]

worth ?

[polar nexus]

Just rip surgical to put it on a zarona

[vast jasper]

zarona better ?

[polar nexus]

Not the same.

Zarona is pocket sniper. So you use surgical + hand Cannon

What you don't one shot you usually 2 shots

[mental coral]

does backstab CDR still need the backstab perk

or is it actually a 1 point perk now

[polar nexus]

And surgical4 is pretty much one of the best blessing there is because you get a crit just by aiming

[vast jasper]

oh okay thanks

[polar nexus]

Not anymore from my resting

[delicate shadow]

doesn't

[mental coral]

thank fuck

[polar nexus]

The Agri you want to play it different, so crucian + hand Cannon in Crit build (blazing piety keystone). Or sustained + trickshooter / speedload if you only want quick dispatch of elites and you have a melee weapon good against carapace

The Agri plays well with the nodes from the middle too (ecclesiarch calls and sainted gunslinger)

The benefit of using a zarona is sniping elites from afar and just destroying crushers without using your ult.

Agri game play (at least with the middle nodes) is more John wick style with a lot of quick swapping reloading.

[torn stream]

what really killed my enjoyment of the game was Shrine of Amana and the parts that came after

[polar nexus]

But to be fair, I think it's better on vet. From my experience with it.

[torn stream]

and the fact that every boss fight just became "stand under the boss and spam Heavenly Thunder until they die"

[languid canyon]

this should be saved with carapace and thrust 4 right?

[rustic lagoon]

I WANT THAT CHAINAXE!

Hell, any Chainaxe would be good.

[languid canyon]

i wish it rolled better 😭 but its still p good

[spark violet]

https://gyazo.com/4d56fe57beae7f8497d257985804037e

[torn stream]

I like the actual combat design of 3 a lot more but I am kinda bouncing off of Lorian's boss design especially since a lot of the bosses even just prior were REALLY fun

[latent summit]

what blessings/perks do you guys run on combat knife?

[open pollen]

Thought you were talking about darktide and as a thammer man I felt seen.

[latent summit]

trying it out with bleed on non-weakspot and liking it so far tbh

[torn stream]

that too but it's more fun

I'm also a Crucis TH main

[spark violet]

I was until I tried the new eviserator

it doesnt stun ragers as hard but my team wont shut up about me being a psycho

[torn stream]

I don't really like the new Evis's swing pattern tbh

[polar nexus]

It's already good to be fair. But yeah.

[torn stream]

the Crucis may end up being outdated but I adore it

[spark violet]

https://gyazo.com/78b0c7c94addcbec5c3cf26b2c735d27

[languid canyon]

sprint eff is so ass tho tbh

[spark violet]

the thunder hammer for sure slaps still

[tardy bramble]

Best map to get penace "Shocking stuff" ?

[spark violet]

3 hitting daemon hosts with that hammer

[open pollen]

I like both thammers.

[languid canyon]

i dont think head taker really matters

if its 3 or 4

[polar nexus]

True. But you could use it as it is. It's not bricked. And try elites too.

[spark violet]

if you can hit the weak spot on beast of nurgle its a 2 hit

[open pollen]

The 3rd heavy in ironhelm is really fun to 1 tap crushers with.

[languid canyon]

mm ill try elites

[polar nexus]

Mine has thrust4, 68 shredder and 25 carapace

It one shots a crusher

[languid canyon]

mine gets the crusher to like 10%

[polar nexus]

Except carapace is like 2 targets

And elite is much wider.

[languid canyon]

ok bet

[polar nexus]

You may just get it with 10 elites and thrust4

[languid canyon]

gonna slap it on rn

[polar nexus]

I'm interested in the result. I might refine mine too.

[languid canyon]

it

1 shots a crusher with the elites and t4 @polar nexus

tbh

it might just do it with t3

but idk

[polar nexus]

Fuck. I need to test it later

So keep elites then

[fleet zealot]

Massive W today

[languid canyon]

elites seems good with flak

[fleet zealot]

The food truck i was sad that was closed for the winter seasoned opened a physical restaurant

[languid canyon]

I dont think u need maniac or anything

[open pollen]

Wish we had more elites. The director seems to spam the same ones a lot. Played Ascension Riser the other day and The Director kept slawning clusters of shotgunners. Wasn't hard cause they were bunched up but I wouldn't mind some more variety.

[polar nexus]

The only maniac that is a menace is an elite too

[fleet zealot]

Dregs are missing elites

And my theory is that it will be the daemons

[languid canyon]

I could 1 shot a maniac with a half charge before elites

[fleet zealot]

Maniac covers a ton of specials

Flamers, trappers mutants

[open pollen]

Wouldn't mind revolver and shredder elites myself, represent the main ranged weapon types. Oh! Maybe some support types? Priests or commisars or something.

[spark violet]

one day I hope to be fighting with AI guard on our side

a commisar with an escort

[languid canyon]

i know but they die in 2 lights

and 1 push

[thorn sable]

Commissar build like “TK your ai companions for more power”

[spark violet]

that would certainly be a skill tree

[flat marsh]

Provide a party wide buff when you TK the psyker

[thorn sable]

Unironically doing more friendly fire damage than enemy damage

[spark violet]

gotta motivate the boys somehow

[thorn sable]

I was kinda expecting vet to get the personal bubble shield the dawn of war 2 commissar gets tbh

[spark violet]

psyker already has it

[thorn sable]

Nah that’s an area warp fuckery bubble

The DoW2 commissar one is just him and it blocks melee and range attacks

[open pollen]

I am very surprised there wasn't a "shoot your allies to buff them" mechanic in the vet tree.

[thorn sable]

As a blitz it’d be funny

[spark violet]

that would promote alot of toxicity and is pretty shitty for a games longevity

already enough toxic nerds

[thorn sable]

I’d make it so you shoot them with the blitz but it doesn’t do damage

[open pollen]

It would be a support ability, it wouldn't do damage

[thorn sable]

Thematic without the cancer

[open pollen]

The game already has friendly fire mechanics (voicelines, special marker, etc) so tying a talent into that would be neat.

Also wouldn't mind the ability to mark/tag allies to give them a morale boost.

[polar nexus]

Yeah but on the chaxe, that's clearly not a problem. @languid canyon what would be interesting is to see if you still one shot a crusher without elites, because you could also use unyielding for bosses

[open pollen]

We also need more Ogryns. Would love a bog standard unarmored melee ogryn. Like, ogryn rager or something. Blood bowler.

Maybe ogryn mutant that knocks you aside instead of grappling?

[spark violet]

the game files have references to a shooting plague ogryn

soontm

[open pollen]

Toxgryn? Been there awhile yeah? Heres hoping.

[spark violet]

man I hope its not shooting tox fire

[open pollen]

I just like fighting crushers and would like more of that. Reapers are more ranged and bulwarks can be right annoying sometimes.

[polar nexus]

Just farting

[open pollen]

Gasgryn

[rustic lagoon]

Fartgryn.

[polar nexus]

Grossgryn

[open pollen]

Flatulgryn

[subtle cedar]

But then he executes a dude and makes your entire army invincible (in campaign)

My god that shit was broken

[open pollen]

If we are talking asides here. Would love Chef outfit for my ogryn.

[subtle cedar]

You just spam plasma karskin and waltz through everything

[charred cradle]

hello what are best blessings for heavy evi

Tigrus one

[spark violet]

I think momentum is pretty important for it

[subtle cedar]

Rampage shred

[polar nexus]

I'd like a santagryn

[charred cradle]

hm i managed to get momentum 4 and can buy wrath 4 from melk

[delicate shadow]

you absolutely do not need the momentum blessing on any weapon as zealot

[charred cradle]

is it better to skip melk weapon for now and wait rampage or shred

i see

[spark violet]

lets you be significantly more aggresive

[north sedge]

rampage plus whatever you want for the new evisc

[delicate shadow]

it's practically a wasted slot

[spark violet]

it already overkills most things

[subtle cedar]

Don't get wrath for evis

[naive star]

Switched 200ish combat knife to 300ish chainsaw sword, the difference is huge

[north sedge]

i mean, im just aggressive, don't need momentum for that

[subtle cedar]

It's really bad, it's barely worth it on old evis and pointless on new evis

[delicate shadow]

yeah those would pretty much brick the weapon

[charred cradle]

i see i understand now

[polar nexus]

It's good on new evis

[charred cradle]

will skip it

[delicate shadow]

shred/rampage are good, savage sweep is also aight if you want a cleave bonus

[spark violet]

momentum is still good

[subtle cedar]

I wouldn't say good but it's not like you really need shred on it

[spark violet]

heavy evis doesnt have a heavy crowd control

[delicate shadow]

all I gotta say if you feel like you aren't already immortal on zealot by virtue of just the skill tree idk what on earth you are building

[spark violet]

its crowd control is light spam

[verbal thunder]

Is there a way to make Thunder Hammer charged attack more reliable to hit your intended target?

The horizontal swing on the Crucis keeps clipping chaff targets and getting wasted.

[sage swan]

use ironhelm

[subtle cedar]

Well lightspam crowd control means you have worse toughness generation

[polar nexus]

It's a way to play evis without relying on ult spamming to get tg black

[delicate shadow]

new evis you can do bloodthirsty shenanigains if you wanna chain crusher one shots

[subtle cedar]

So it's not pointless

[verbal thunder]

Why is the Crucis so highly recommended then?

[spark violet]

you can 1 shot crushers without any of the blessings you recommend

[delicate shadow]

I really don't find this to be even vaguely the case at all

[subtle cedar]

Sure, but it means no crit synergies for damage reduction

[north sedge]

jump

[delicate shadow]

I hate playing chain weapons and I still feel immortal just because the zealot skill tree is absurdly stacked on toughness regen and DR

idk why you'd need to add more on top

[subtle cedar]

??? Lightspam cc means you're not using the toughness on heavy attack node