zealot-class

[faint marsh]

damn thanks

[drowsy anchor]

my evening always have such shitty internet

[sharp zodiac]

I have had none this whole week I've had to rely on a hotspot unfortunately

[faint marsh]

my 5 days of being into darktide was showing in those clips ig LOL

[keen silo]

yoo brunt is such a bitch i swear

[misty raven]

Do you like that kind of gun or just wanting to experiment? Its a perfectly serviceable stat alignment. It's just definitely not optimal or ideal. You can definitely do better but who knows with your luck with brunt

[faint marsh]

when you’re using refinements it makes a huge difference lol

[spark raven]

What would i pair with Ruthless Backstab blessing wise?

[keen silo]

i am following this build on the website
turto Mk 9 and stubby
all rounder kinda

[drowsy anchor]

well what is this

just great

perfect

what a way to end the evening

[misty raven]

I have played enough and continue to keep playing where I don't bother with stat lines like those. To other people asking who are maybe newer, it's hyperbole to tell them something that isn't optimal but perfectly serviceable is "brutally low"

[native cargo]

Backend

[faint marsh]

idk dps makes a huge difference in aurics i find that like 15% difference in damage per bullet is super noticeable

[sharp zodiac]

Man Lois this is worse than that time I was on hab dreyko with 3 loner knife zel's with flesh tearer lacerate

[faint marsh]

tbh i try not to run brauto zealot bc i feel like a dick

ammo hog build

[dense field]

Shoot valuable targets to feel good

[misty raven]

Again. If I have someone asking who may be newer it's hyperbole. If someone is asking about 370 with a dmg dump stat, they aren't the auric runner my guy.

[faint marsh]

just seen a sister of battle with a dreg gunner……. atoma has fallen

[sharp zodiac]

Nothing better than forcing that bomber to drop dead with his nade in his hands

[hollow ember]

umm i am using the talent that makes me dodge while sprinting and while sprinting at an elite that constantly shoot bullets i keep getting hit, am i missing something? shouldn't i be dodging everything as long as i sprint?

[dark zealot]

an update on the chainsword

[wet cipher]

I think it only works when running perpendicular?

[dark zealot]

got +25% maniac

[faint marsh]

fair but it’s better to set them up for their goals then convince them to settle for less

[drowsy steppe]

Precog/Mercy Killer

[hollow ember]

whaaaaaaaat 0.0

[keen silo]

is this any better than the evisc?

[faint marsh]

like yeah you don’t neeeeeeeed it

[dense field]

Didn't know the bomber was married

[misty raven]

It's better to tell them to have fun, instead of chasing the rng unicorn

[wet cipher]

and MAYBE also only when you have stamina, not sure though. someone probably knows better

[dark zealot]

I wouldnt know i just found it with flak in the shop and near perfect modifiers

[faint marsh]

fair more people don’t need a gambling addiction

just know it’s possible though boys and girls

[wet cipher]

is rev up actually good?

[faint marsh]

for speedrunning lol yeah

only run that with closed lobbies with my friends

[misty raven]

I'm an addicted gacha gamer to guns and waifus. I can handle and say the 370 is trash for me. But I definitely save the "meme unicorns"

[faint marsh]

well and it’s also good for reviving i guess. let’s you get to someone in a pinch

[ornate bone]

is it shoot range guys bubble or melee for more dmg?

[misty raven]

Sorry for scaring zealot chat with psyker paraphernalia

[sharp zodiac]

Range guy ye melee

[dark zealot]

i had a chain axe (didnt have that blessing though) and i was able to sprint so fast and for so long i was twice as far ahead of the squad before my sprint ran out

[faint marsh]

yeah it’s a little broken. i’ve finished a match in like 11 minutes before lol

you just run past everything all together and then do whatever mission thing and that’s the real time sink. if the entire objective was get point a to b i’m sure we could get it done without dying in like 4-5 minutes

[dark zealot]

698 plasteel to get the last blessing

[faint marsh]

4 zealot with the rev it up and movement talents is just hilarious

just sprint distance running and all screaming together the whole time

[dark zealot]

the real challenge is having enough plasteel

[faint marsh]

i’m finally out of my diamantine crisis btw chat

now it’s ordo dockets i need

[dark zealot]

ive got shred 4, rampage 3 and savage sweep 2

[drowsy anchor]

how did you get into a diamante crisis

[faint marsh]

dude block attack is so broken

thank you fucking much

just tried it in the meat grinder

thanks zealot chat

unreal thank you

literally twice as fast

[dark zealot]

so what blessing should I pair with wrath for the chainsword?

[north sedge]

So this talent is uhh, described completely wrong. What it actually does is make it so when you run perpendicular to gunfire you dodge gunfire even at 0 stamina. Normally if you run out of stamina you get hit

[dense field]

you're welcome

[faint marsh]

rampage seems to be the best for the dps but i don’t main chsword so i might not have the best opinion

[untold carbon]

This has been me as of late

[dark zealot]

well i can change it in future anyway

[drowsy anchor]

kinda low rampage and low penetration

[dense field]

Be careful though: it drains stamina A LOT

[dark zealot]

i dont think ill be replacing flak 20% or maniac 25%

[faint marsh]

my knife has stamina boost LOL wow

i thought my knife sucked

but it’s actually good

you just made me so happy

[dense field]

Secret BiS

[faint marsh]

i’ve been grinding for so long lol

fucking hell

[drowsy anchor]

how do you guys build the new revolverf

[faint marsh]

now it’s just fucked with both bleed blessings. truly you changed my gameplay

[drowsy anchor]

blessing, perks and all that

[dark zealot]

sire melk crashed the game

[faint marsh]

i hate the new revolver. fan should be a secondary toggle selection like flashlight

[hollow ember]

that is incredibly misleading talent description, just tested it and running at enemies is a death waiting to happen

holy bait

[faint marsh]

besides that you want crit on that gun

[untold carbon]

You want to put trickshooter and Crucian roulette on it, perks are the usual flak and maniac

[sharp zodiac]

I tried handcannon and crusician roulette , perk wise Is the usual

[drowsy anchor]

trickshoot and crucian roulette

i see

[untold carbon]

Veteran can make really good use of the agri rev to say the least

[steel agate]

ya surgical only work on 1 bullet before refreshing so with the fanfire on the other revolver is a little less benefital

[sharp zodiac]

Tbf
Vet does have a lotta things to benefit with the revolver compared to zel

[hollow ember]

ty for the info btw

[drowsy jackal]

hand-cannon / crucian also works fine on fury cdr builds

[untold carbon]

Tbh I run the agri rev on zealot a lot more than I run it on vet

[faint marsh]

this is what i have on my current revolver

[steel agate]

doubled down on the perks huh?

[drowsy steppe]

you want HC and crucian for the new revolver

[faint marsh]

ugh yeah it gave me garbage perks but great blessings

[drowsy anchor]

han solo gaming

[drowsy steppe]

it doesnt even have Hand Cannon

[drowsy jackal]

surgical feels bad on it for me because i usually feel like i should just mag-dump

[untold carbon]

Amateur

[drowsy steppe]

so youre better off just sacrificing that for tier 3 surgical

[steel agate]

i personally would've tolerated at least one bad perk to swap out surgical

[faint marsh]

i like “quickscoping” it

[steel agate]

but we dont got a time machine so theres no redoing that revolver

[untold carbon]

Stealing that look btw

Looks awesome

[drowsy jackal]

yeah if you don't already have the standard revolver it's fine

[faint marsh]

surgical is amazing for crit chance if you can aim lol

i am mad however i didn’t pick the crit chance refinement

that’s where i believe i fucked up

[steel agate]

yea but you'll have a helbore situation where most the crit building is u staring at the enemy

rather than firing

[dark zealot]

thats what i got for now on my gun

[faint marsh]

really the revolver is for snipers mostly lol

[steel agate]

so thats why i and probs many others enjoy the other crit blessing

[faint marsh]

everything else is tanked with a knife

that way you’re not hogging ammo from your comrade vets

[drowsy jackal]

i feel like almost everything you're saying this gun does is done better by the normal revolver

[faint marsh]

yeah i am using normal. lol i was saying that the normal gun is better because the new one lacks an aim mechanic entirely

[drowsy jackal]

oh my bad

[faint marsh]

nw

[drowsy jackal]

yeag u right

[faint marsh]

yeah i think you should toggle the fan like flashlight

it’s stupid as fuck imho lol

[steel agate]

this is the normal one?

i swear that type is the fan the hammer

[faint marsh]

yeah this one is the normal one

[drowsy jackal]

wtf

im going insane

[steel agate]

i feel like ur gaslighting me

[drowsy jackal]

mage i think that gun is just

the standard black but the sheen makes it look blue

which is why i also thought it was fan the hammer

[faint marsh]

i have the cosmetic blue skin on it

[steel agate]

color? im looking at the shape here

OH

that'll explain it

[drowsy jackal]

on god

[faint marsh]

i was new like 4 days ago and wasted ordos

it’s over

[steel agate]

see its either someone has the modded skins to their guns and i dont know what it is

or the base game skin bamboozles me

[drowsy jackal]

deception

[steel agate]

[faint marsh]

yeah you get it from commissar for a waste of dockets

[drowsy jackal]

im getting on to confirm

i feel like im in a simulacrum

[steel agate]

i didnt know they added new revolver skins when the news one dropped

lowkey thought they'd save that for later

[drowsy jackal]

mage and i sharing the same sanitorium padded cell

[steel agate]

bunk buddies on the black ships

[north sedge]

There's been the basic blue/red skins in the game since launch

[drowsy jackal]

am i being fucking rused here

[wet cipher]

they might have the custom skin mod?

[drowsy jackal]

yeah

[faint marsh]

hold on i recorded it

[drowsy jackal]

i just wanted to confirm mage nad i weren't crazy w the shape

[faint marsh]

just waiting for xbox to work it’s job

[drowsy anchor]

i think i like the feel of the old revolver more

[sharp zodiac]

That's usually how it ends out to be

[north sedge]

Some of the skins change the model

Always been this way

[steel agate]

ya me and them just got done saying how we were bamboozled by just that

[drowsy anchor]

yeah i like the feeling of one shotting gunners

from afar

[steel agate]

who doesnt lol

special/elite gone? life good

monstrosity chunked? life great

[sharp zodiac]

2

1 I can only buy one piece of candy

But with 2!

[maiden path]

candy is 3 dollar

[sharp zodiac]

Society

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/black-dynamite-having-fun-black-dynamite-dynamite-having-fun-joppy-gif-613039128444832800

[drowsy jackal]

we always lose

[distant maple]

35 years with no heretics to kill

Think what that does to a man

[sharp zodiac]

Gives me conniptions

[dark zealot]

went back to heresy

was clapping their cheeks with the chain sword

two guys dead

its fine

[sharp zodiac]

The hardest part of heresy ain't really the enemies but moreso the teamates

[dark zealot]

i go to save the first dead guy using my stealth

my moron teammate runs over

[hollow ember]

Swift Certainty talent node is such a meme lol, it's making me start approaching ranged units by moonwalking to them to activate that talent node and dodge bullets

[dark zealot]

and the sword twin does an aoe attack

[hollow ember]

https://tenor.com/view/rafaelmantesso-jimmychoo-jimmy-the-bull-bully-bull-terrier-gif-12809267

[dark zealot]

okay still got maybe 2s

[coarse birch]

this new mission can be a little rough sometimes lol

[dark zealot]

she aggros me right as stealth ends

[slate void]

I have given up trying to do Damnation Twins with randos

[coarse birch]

teammates were chill tho

[dark zealot]

we would have won that if the moron just did anything but try to save the other squad members will having both twins aggros

i take stealth so i can freely keep everyone alive with no consequences and they still find a way to screw it up

[hollow ember]

why do u have so many options to look at, i barely got these

[hexed field]

The pub groups i join want to do hard mode

[hollow ember]

can't seem to find extra options in mod options

[fading vale]

imagine if you had teammates

[sharp zodiac]

Mod

[hexed field]

and its over in like a minute. WTF are they thinking

[coarse birch]

theres a scoreboard extension mod

[slate void]

Watching even a good run disintegrate as two muties and two trappers spawn simultaneously on top of the twins

[coarse birch]

you know it would help

[hollow ember]

ty

[opaque hinge]

I just did in pub on my ogryn, ez mode

[dark zealot]

they either want to do hard but one guy doesnt have it so they all leave, they want to do harde but there is a psyker, they just suck lmao, the game cheeses the run

[drowsy anchor]

want to build a bolter

how do you build bolter perks and blesing

[slate void]

Silver lining
Trying to beat twins convinced me to improve my gear lmao

[coarse birch]

pinning fire/shattering impact

[dark zealot]

like i just wanna do normal damnation but its either do hard mode or they dont have the bell skip

[hexed field]

Step 1 for bolter build: Use revolver

[coarse birch]

perks are still flak maniac i think

[patent plover]

Есть русскоговорящие?

[coarse birch]

but you might not need flak

[opaque hinge]

yeah but is there and extension for the scoreboard extension!

[coarse birch]

i think there is actually

[slate void]

All my eviscerators end up with Carapace for some reason

[dark zealot]

step 2 for boltor build: Use Columnus Mk V

[slate void]

Which stub revolver is better for zealot

[ashen quartz]

i hate melk he's so mean to me 😦

[fading vale]

you don't want shattering impact on a bolter

[dark zealot]

has he crashed the game?

[coarse birch]

is that old news now

[fading vale]

it's actually bad now cause uh, maybe a bug

[steel agate]

big iron compliments their movement speed since they can close distance n such

[coarse birch]

oh i didnt realize

[ripe quest]

wdym

Was something else found out?

[slate void]

Which one is big iron

[fading vale]

so it used to be 5% per stack of brittleness

[ashen quartz]

sometimes but he's also always a dick

[fading vale]

now it's 2.5%

[hexed field]

zarona

[fading vale]

so it takes 4 shots for max brittleness

[dark zealot]

im just gonna do a regular damnation assanination

[fading vale]

instead of 2

which makes it mostly pointless

[dark zealot]

or ill go insane

well more insane

[opaque hinge]

what do you get for hardmode twins? anything?, Can't see anything in the penances

[ashen quartz]

you get an insignia

[steel agate]

XIV is the roman numerals on it

[fading vale]

like, it's an extremely minor damage boost, better off with a crit blessing

[steel agate]

Agrippna i think is the model name

[ripe quest]

In my mind I don't see it as much different than something like PF lol

[fading vale]

I mean pinning actually does something versus many things and isn't too difficult to get stacks of

[steel agate]

the old one is zarona IIa if my memory will serve me well

[slate void]

Lmao one guy said Zarona, other said Gripper

[steel agate]

i am both those guys

please read my 2nd sentence

[sharp zodiac]

Get thyself a ripper with the strong gripper sl- oh no I forgot ye be a guardian

[slate void]

I'm considering swapping off the Gripper Shotgun now that I'm doing Damnation now

It doesn't onetap elites with the slug anymore

[ripe quest]

I suppose it's a bit weird. It's a 10% total damage increase against flak, unyielding, and maniac. Then it's a 100% for Carapace. Instead of being a global buff it's per target so you only get a pebble of the non-cara bonuses.

[fading vale]

how is it 100% for cara

it's 40% after 4 shots

[ripe quest]

The ADM is 40% for Cara, it turns to 80% with Shattering Impact.

100% increase.

[fading vale]

the mix of 10% and 100% was weird

cause 10% is 1/4th

but I see what you meant

[ripe quest]

From what I know the adms for non-cara are at Unarmored.

[waxen horizon]

Anybody have a knif build for thw twins boss ?

[ripe quest]

So it's the difference of ~100% and ~110%

[fading vale]

right

but yeah it being per target

and taking several shots

is uh

not great

[lusty turtle]

i think you get more out of surgical/calvacade with pinning atm because of the finesse on bolter

but shattering isn't an awful option

[ripe quest]

You'd probs like Stun/Fire Blitz, Beacon of Purity, Fury of the Faithful, and Judgement. Grab Duellist and Shield of Contempt. Something like this.

Martyrdom would work fine too.

[lusty turtle]

i think i'd just leave a twins lobby that has a knife zealot in it

[fading vale]

it's just sad that it's 4 stacks of 2.5% now instead of 4 stacks of 5%

[ripe quest]

yee the blessings on Bolter shifted a good bit due to the finesse getting boosted and the adms increasing which reduces the value of brittle.

[lusty turtle]

brittleness is always 2.5% a stack iirc (look at onslaught on vet and uhh thunderous?)

[ripe quest]

It's actually one of the only missions I'd be 100% ok giving knife players a chance. If they spam PAs on the bosses with a good build it'll do enough damage.

[fading vale]

pre patch 13 this was not the case

[ripe quest]

It used to be 5% with 8 stacks.

4 per proc

[lusty turtle]

i honestly prefer it this way, imo all the other rending/brittleness buffs should be 40-60% max

[fading vale]

so now you hit full brittleness after 4 shots instead of 2

which sucks for the bolter

[tiny walrus]

is this an insult

[ripe quest]

The issue is that it's the same rending bonus but it takes 4 shots to max out instead of just 2. On Boltgun you already build to 1-2 shot stuff esp on Vet. It's now a Carapace only blessing.

[lusty turtle]

so what, you'd rather it did 8 stacks a shot to cap out in 2

[fading vale]

yeah

it's ammo economy is already bad enough on zealot

and yeah, it's now a carapace only blessing like exhil said

[waxen horizon]

Okay thanks @ripe quest

[plucky gate]

i wouldn't mind bolter being built as an anti-cara weapon if it wasn't so bad at it that it only kills like 2 crushers in a full magdump

[dark zealot]

3 Ogryns and 1 zealot

[open bramble]

Is the original revolver still amazing even after the nerf? Or has everybody moved onto the new revolver?

[lusty turtle]

ye honestly, i think they could double its stack rate but drop the bolters flak ADM to like 0.8

[ripe quest]

Could just go full ham and make it 5% per stack again. Would make it really good at being a Carapace blessing at the very least.

[waxen horizon]

But eviserator is à good idea for twins ?

[tiny walrus]

knife

[ripe quest]

Up base damage, drop all ADMs

[lusty turtle]

its still overpowered dw

[lusty turtle]

it already got a power bump last patch

[fading vale]

old revolver didn't even get nerfed really

[lusty turtle]

which is why it can 1 shot crushers on surgical pinning

[fading vale]

oh no a slight loss in cara damage

[plucky gate]

old revolver's basically the same when you crit right?

[frank night]

post steve

[lusty turtle]

ye it didn't lose enough cara to stop it 1 shotting crushers

[ripe quest]

The vision is that it does the same exact damage, but the ADMs are lower so that rending/brittle sources can have room to breathe.

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

The nerf is basically a slap on the wrist

[fading vale]

even at full brittleness it takes 5 shots to kill a crusher with headshots 😦

[sharp zodiac]

The humanity

[fading vale]

err 6

ignoring other buffs so we will say 5 with pinning

[ripe quest]

😦

[sharp zodiac]

This is horrible, it's even effected the fish economy

[lusty turtle]

wait no that dmg calc is wrong

[ripe quest]

It would be more technically, since you would do 4 stacks of damage, then 8, then 12, and then 16.

[lusty turtle]

aint no way 80% dmg on a bolter is 200

[heavy arch]

rip old bolter

F

[open bramble]

I feel like zealot is sort of forced to deal with a middling bolter, because it's so easy for that weapon to be bonkers with a vet.

[fading vale]

double those numbers, that's at 40%, I assumed max brittleness to 80% when I said 6 shots

[ripe quest]

I can check. I do recall the BP calc being a bit funny with Boltgun.

It sounds right though.

[lusty turtle]

so 870 dmg on a crit weakspot hit, not including pinning or zealot tree bonuses

[open bramble]

Why not just give the classes different bolters?

[fading vale]

but again you need 4 shots to reach max brittle on one target

so it's probably more like idk 8 shots to kill a crusher assuming all weakspot hits

ignoring other buffs

with other buffs we can call it maybe 5 or 6 weakspot hits

[visual stream]

Is momentum not supposed to apply the damage to the hit that procs it?

[fading vale]

no

don't hit maulers in the head

[visual stream]

Been over this before

It does do slightly more damage on this

Anyway

[fading vale]

maybe if you have cara

[ripe quest]

The damage lines up for ingame damage numbers.

[ashen quartz]

do you get thunderous procs on each tick of non-revv'd chaxe locks?

[lusty turtle]

no because the buff isn't active yet

[visual stream]

Yes, got cara

[ripe quest]

You do not.

[lusty turtle]

but also, push then heavy and you can charge while winding the heavy 3]

[ashen quartz]

damn 😦

[fading vale]

you could probably run elites over cara and you might still 1 shot crushers with an F idk

[ripe quest]

Thunderous on Chaxe is specifically for Carapace, it's otherwise worse than Headtaker.

[frosty herald]

Zola is obsessed with the twins but not as much as red with rinda

[visual stream]

Maybe, now that I have more plasteel I can afford to test those things

Lame that momentum doesn't apply to the hit that procs it tho

[fading vale]

but yeah momentum procs and then you get the buff after

and with guns

you have to stop shooting and then start again to get the attack speed

[visual stream]

Feels like it's very much not for the weapons that it seems like it would be for at first glance

[lusty turtle]

ye this bolter 5 shots em, almost 2 shots on a chastise

[fading vale]

I find it rather unreliable to do so in game with a bolter cause I hit bodies sometimes and they come with a bunch of other crusher and bulwark friends that step in front of them

[visual stream]

I am fairly certain that they messed something up when they made the ironhelm changes on the 5th

[lusty turtle]

i don't find it too bad to pull off, but i'm mostly using HH/ILG so i'm used to clicking heads

[lusty turtle]

?

[visual stream]

I thought it was a mauler shadow buff when i first had issues but it seems like they changed damage in some way

[fading vale]

ironhelm just has a hard time 1 shotting maulers

[visual stream]

Before the change, I hit mauler breakpoint with thrust and 2/3 slaughterer stacks, now it takes 5 slaught to barely kill them

[lusty turtle]

the only change was a buff to the heavy 3 special

[visual stream]

Exactly, that's why i'm confused

[lusty turtle]

and that the push follow up chain got reset and instead the normal push chains to heavy 3

[fading vale]

I just run flak on crucis and also backstab when I can and almost always 1 shot them

[lusty turtle]

i figured it out lazor

just use a power pot

3 shot crushers

[fading vale]

it can be painful to 1 shot maulers even with a crucis though

[visual stream]

Scratch that, can't even hit breakpoint with even 5 slaughts

It's joever, ironhelm is meme again

[fading vale]

ironhelm has been bad for maulers and crushers ever since they got 3000 HP

[ripe quest]

Duellist DoD with a SI/Cavalcade Boltgun is fun

[lusty turtle]

combat stims fix everything its fine

[open bramble]

rashad melts the twins, right?

[fading vale]

and crushers got 3600

[visual stream]

That change hurt me for crushers but mauler kills still worked until the 5th changes

[ripe quest]

Chaxe, Caxe, Thammer. Knife maybe but idk how well their unyielding boss damage scales to the Twins since they aren't Unyielding.

[fading vale]

I don't know that I buy that

because it's been hard to one shot them with a crucis

ever since 3k hp

[ripe quest]

You can like 6 shot a Plague Ogryn with knife so maybe idk

[lusty turtle]

twins aren't unyeilding so knife sucks on them

they have cara heads so backstab heavies aren't terrible, but most anything else is better

[ripe quest]

Have you tested it?

[lusty turtle]

ye i was seeing if haymaker would proc on them

(it doesn't)

[hushed knoll]

Hi Skelly

[lusty turtle]

hi

[hushed knoll]

Skelly im Making soup tonight you want some

[lusty turtle]

no thanks

[hushed knoll]

Why not

[ripe quest]

That's odd. I don't see why it wouldn't be effective against them.

[raw tiger]

Full charge heavy special swing with the eviscerator and shroud backstab one shots the shooters shield on hard mode damnation

[ripe quest]

Do they have like, weird multipliers?

[visual stream]

Do you recall when the change was?

[lusty turtle]

they have damage caps on their health, pretty aggressive ones. the knife isn't like terrible terrible, and atleast you get the mobility for popping mines and note dying, but i think atm the vet shovel does better twins damage than the knife

[sharp zodiac]

I wish I had a twin like rinda

[frosty herald]

They will dissapear instantly after a certain point of damage

[sharp zodiac]

Mines just boring

[visual stream]

Because I noticed the health buff and kept playing, but the day helm was changed was when the breakpoint stopped being hit

[frosty herald]

Even if they are downed they stop taking damage

From vet shout or ogryn rush

[lusty turtle]

theres that too, but i mean their health has gating to stop them taking X amount in a hit

hense TH can't just one shot them

[ripe quest]

I can't directly test against the Twins in Psyk but from what I can tell it should be at the very least more than Caxe damage for the twins.

[lusty turtle]

i don't use axes so i can't make the comparison

i've basically just run chain weapons into twins cause they are pmuch the best thing for the fight

[ripe quest]

yee same

Chaxe my beloved

[lusty turtle]

glad people like the changes

[sharp zodiac]

I spent more time building my chaxe than actually running it I'll be honest

[lusty turtle]

i've personally been running new chain sword tho

[sharp zodiac]

But that's cause I've been prepping to move in an hour

[ripe quest]

I'm a bit peeved that the QoL on the Mk IV wasn't really improved but I enjoy that it's better now

[lusty turtle]

ye i've not had much time for the new stuff

beat hard mode once, then been prepping for surgery

[sharp zodiac]

I wish ye luck on it

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-flip-gif-26232902

duck and dive

[lusty turtle]

wdym?

[frank night]

where are we up to in the medical stuff

iirc you were gaining some weight for it

[lusty turtle]

ye thats for future stuff incase of emergency, thats still ongoin

this is the surgery for my other lung, since i already had my left lung done last year

its just a prevention thing, reduce the chance of my lung just collapsing on me at random lmao

[sharp zodiac]

Doesn't sound too pleasant

[lusty turtle]

i'm gonna be glad to have it done and out of the way, i am NOT looking forward to the recovery period

have specifically cut my hair and shaved my beard to give me less to maintian over the next 6 months

[sharp zodiac]

The recovery period is always the worst, but a tip my dad gave me was once the worst was done everything else will feel tame by comparison

[lusty turtle]

oh ye 100%

just sucks this is my dominant side so no PC for like

a month

cause i can't use my right arm properly

[sharp zodiac]

Ah that's unfortunate

[sand lance]

Get well soon in any case. Reminds me of my post-surgery recovery after my cyst was removed, but yours is a lot worse.

[ripe quest]

Heavies have bad hitboxes still. The animation change for the revved heavy doesn't seem to be any better, you still need to aim higher up than normal. If you rev and then immediately charge a heavy for Thrust, it goes to 2 stacks and then swings automatically. They claimed to have fixed it a while ago but it made it worse. Camera is still a bit weird, especially with the IV's lights. For all chain weapons they still have a bug where you need to ult after the initial tick with Fury of the Faithful and Shroudfield to get the damage bonuses instead of only the guaranteed crit.

[frosty herald]

Give zealot a bigass spade

[lusty turtle]

no

[lusty turtle]

ye i lets hope they sort some of that

[ripe quest]

I also have a personal gripe about the PA. But that's not really a qol thing I'm just mad that PA -> H2 isn't useable anymore as the main rotation

And it's not even PA -> H2 anymore it's PA -> H1. No more shoving people into pits with the combo since it would shove everything to the right

[candid nest]

What ya think...sprint speed to flak and...perfect strike? or unyielidng?

[ripe quest]

Yee Sprint to +Flak, Perfect Strike to whatever. Cleave is strictly extra CC, crit blessings are the only way to increase your damage. Shred or Bloodthirsty imo.

[verbal thunder]

Opinions on Zealot versus the other 3 classes?

[candid nest]

Close range Brawler dmg

[verbal thunder]

Bonk bosses and such aye, but I feel like I'm missing something on mine, let me expand a bit and give some context:

I've got all my classes at 30 now, and I've been maining Veteran for awhile now. He's squishy, but very good at keeping threats proactively dead.

Ogryn and Psyker have been great at creating space and controlling specials.

I feel like I'm doing something wrong with Zealot, who was my second max level.

[candid nest]

Think the same for Zealet just that they prioritize things that are right in their face

[verbal thunder]

I can bonk bosses and heavy armor good, but... My krak grenades or plasgun on Veteran can also solve those problems.

Feels like I'm doing something wrong.

[candid nest]

Well zealets are great vs hordes.

You might back peddle with veteran and pysker but you'll just hold W with zealet vr horde (literally a blender)

[verbal thunder]

My Vet's psword handles mixed hordes very well, and with Psyker I just hit the zipzap button. Ogryn also handles hordes the best out of all of them, I taunt, shove, and can easily control an entire lane on my own.

So I don't feel like Zealot's 'strong point' is horde clear by comparison. Maybe it's my weapon, though?

[candid nest]

Control is different than killing them

[verbal thunder]

Ogboy does great in killing them, as does my vet

[candid nest]

Zealets will kill them and keep going forward without missing a beat

[verbal thunder]

My Slab Shield oneshots all chaff to the head

Vet lacks a little bit more, since I have to charge his power sword, but he does okay.

[candid nest]

Here, keep this in mind the next time you play Vet. If you EVER back peddle. think of the zealet moving forward

[hardy surge]

sooo.. now pretty much every pub twins run wants to do hard mode...

[proud jackal]

imo ogryn is the melee elite specialist, they splat most of them with ease

[ripe quest]

Can make any melee weapon work. Has a very good kit for it. The unique weapons are very expressive as well.

[verbal thunder]

I do like how expressive the weapons are, though I'm talking purely from a numbers/utility pov atm

What else is Zealot good at beyond horde clear and bonking bosses?

[hardy surge]

The only non heretic one

[candid nest]

Everything?

Knife throw? kills dogs, trapper, shotgunners, gunners instantly

[hexed field]

i like shoutiung at heretics

[candid nest]

Stun grenade is clutch save

[proud jackal]

feels weird saying but skirmishing and just in general staying alive even outside of the team

[candid nest]

Fire grenade is just CC dmg

[ripe quest]

All of the classes are, to some degree, good at anything. They made the classes mostly preferential.

[candid nest]

They can solo VERY easily without team (why ya see them run off by themselves all the time)

[candid nest]

fact

[verbal thunder]

Tbh as someone who doesn't main zealot, runaways are rather irritating to me

Usually doesn't pay off, they just lose auras, coherency, and leave the team to handle all their own problems

But thats me.

Annd... Fair I suppose, Zealot can be a good all-around. I need to experiment more maybe.

[candid nest]

They don't. they have a talent that makes it so they have it by themselves

[verbal thunder]

Yeah, loner, I know

[candid nest]

sounds like ya just don't prefer zealet. nothing wrong with that

[hardy surge]

depends. I don't hang a lot with the team because I'm busy running into gunners to keep them of the team

[candid nest]

Also true

[verbal thunder]

Personally I've had many of my games thrown by a runaway though, no matter what class, but it's usually a zealot.

And maybe, I just feel like it lacks some sort of stand-out feature.

[proud jackal]

that's my favorite thing since the class update, is that you can really make all of the classes do anything

[verbal thunder]

Feels a bit weak, but I'm not sure if its me doing something wrong.

[candid nest]

Unless you're watching their point of view (which if ya are maybe don't to focus on what's infront of ya) but they could be handling something as well

[dense field]

Everything. Zealots can excell at any aspect of the game depending on loadout and talents.

[strange kestrel]

blessings on heavy laspistol? infernus and dumdum?

[dense field]

that's what I run

[hardy surge]

it definitely is you. that's how it felt to me at first after doing 500 missions on vet and psyker. once you figure out how to zealot you become an unstoppable brigner of death

[verbal thunder]

Hmh, I will experiment some more with other melee weapons.

[strange kestrel]

bet

[verbal thunder]

Using the Crucis TH at the moment for strong single target dam

[mossy scarab]

Wait. So. You're asking "what is zealot good at besides the thing that this game is centered around?"

[verbal thunder]

In relation to other classes.

Ala: What it truly excels at

[candid nest]

That build is kinda...boring imo since it feels like you're going the same speed as a ogryn

[plucky gate]

diving gunners

zealot is super tanky and can very safely and quickly run into a group

[proud jackal]

I recommend trying the OP zealot weapons with a chastise/momentum build

it makes the game easy mode

[plucky gate]

can disrupt a whole pack of gunners and shooters very easily

[verbal thunder]

Chastise and momentum eh? I will give it a try, thank you!

[hardy surge]

What is zealot good at beyond purifying all heretics in the name of the Emperor?

[verbal thunder]

Do you have any weapon recommendations?

[drifting wolf]

crusher

[dark zealot]

so not only did i get rampage...

[mossy scarab]

Compared to other classes? Nothing. Imo, right now every class is just as effective as one another. They all good damage, crowd control, single target, and support.

[proud jackal]

like the heavy swords and crusher or evi

[dark zealot]

i got rampage 4

[strange kestrel]

holy W

i have t4 infernus and dumdum in storage

its joever.

[misty raven]

Chastise/heavy sword/blazing piety. I actually started enjoying zealot. Was running wounds only until I finished that penance

[strange kestrel]

prior to this laspistol i had spent 600k

on brunts armory

[verbal thunder]

I'll try out some of the other melee weapons then! Maybe the big chainsword would be more my speed.

[strange kestrel]

and 6k special tokens on getting 2 trash laspistols that had t4 blessing

finally i can rest

[misty raven]

I feel invincible and almost brain dead running wound zealot with the new evis

[candid nest]

If you do, you'll be using basically the same setup as your vet

[dark zealot]

so is there anything i should change with the chainsword?

[mossy scarab]

Zealot is best at being braindead and stabbing things

[verbal thunder]

Not much wrong with that!

[strange kestrel]

holy shit

thats great bro

[verbal thunder]

I may try out the knife later too, but I want to stick closer to my team as a rule.

[candid nest]

I'd recommend going dagger/crit build with shroud. will be much faster (dodge and attacks) than you'll be used to

[verbal thunder]

(I've been traumatized)

[misty raven]

I don't see any reason to change. Unless you wanted bleed

[proud jackal]

some people meme on martyrdom but I find that it lets zealot do something that other classes can't which is NOT depend on healing as a resource

[plucky gate]

i thought people stopped memeing on martyrdom by now

[verbal thunder]

I'll try out wounds zealot w/ chastise, and the big eviscerator sword

Thanks everyone for some feedback : )

[plucky gate]

people were a lot harsher on it when the talent trees came out

[fleet zealot]

pain

[verbal thunder]

Oh wait, actually, a good question

[clear knot]

Marty is a top tier pick

[verbal thunder]

What melee weapon handles mixed hordes the best?

[plucky gate]

but now a lot of people i see understand that it's very safe at low hp

[dark zealot]

nah I dont have any bleed blessing anyway

[misty raven]

Oh it's good. It's great where I don't have to worry about taking charges unless everyone else is already topped off. But I do feel like my brain is turning to mush as I sit in a horde and walking/dashing to specials just lmb spamming

[coarse birch]

hsword, mk2 evis is good

[verbal thunder]

My psword veteran can cleave through hordes+maniacs+maulers

hsword?

[candid nest]

Shhhhhhh, 6sec invis that comes up in 2seconds is awesome~

[coarse birch]

heavy sword

[proud jackal]

though I see the agruement that it promotes bad habits and you should probably just not get hit in the first place 😂

[candid nest]

easy clutches

[fleet zealot]

just go chastise xd

[verbal thunder]

Hmmm, evis could be used against bosses too with reasonable success, no?

[coarse birch]

yeah its not bad

with chastise

[untold carbon]

I don’t use Marty because my wound curios aren’t very good rn, waiting till I get enough plasteel to make ‘em good

[verbal thunder]

Interesting, I'll give it a try!

[candid nest]

Chastise isn't invis....>.>

[fleet zealot]

that's not a valida rguement cause martyrdom you never purposefully take damage, you just let chip damage build up

[proud jackal]

yeah it's a fine line to walk 😅

[plucky gate]

Nah i do purposely take damage

[misty raven]

Wounds is interesting since you can take a lot of damage. Blazing piety is fun with chastise because you can use it, swing like 2 times in a horde and immediately get a charge back

[plucky gate]

i run into those red barrel fires for martyr stacks

good way of losing hp without losing toughness

[proud jackal]

I do too lol

[verbal thunder]

Does revving up the chainsword and getting a backstab with it also give the backstab damage to the anim from shroud?

Or does it only give it to the intial damage tick?

[dark zealot]

martyrdom isnt a "i want to get hit" build, its a "when the shit gets rough, i become tougher" build

[verbal thunder]

initial*

[untold carbon]

This you?

[plucky gate]

it's actually kinda less safe to lose hp naturally in fights cause it would involve losing all your toughness and then losing massive chunks of hp instantly

[candid nest]

so true, love the crit build evis. good way to kill everything but still think shroud clutches more >.>

[hardy surge]

remember when revving to use Chastise after the initial hit, while the shredding animation is going. So it affects the last damage spike at the end of the rev

[strange kestrel]

what do i need on crucis besides thrust to one shot stuff?

[verbal thunder]

Ok good!!!

[plucky gate]

i feel safer at low hp cause of all the toughness damage reduction and just staying at near full toughness.
If i have to tank actual hits, it would involve losing toughness

[verbal thunder]

I will try out the eviscerator then!

[ripe quest]

For unyielding bosses, Eviscerator yeah. For assassination bosses or the Twins, Chaxe.

[verbal thunder]

What about Crucis thunder hammer?

[misty raven]

I've yet to get a good hammer or knife, so I haven't bothered with shroud yey

[verbal thunder]

I just recently rolled a godroll of one, but I still felt my zealot was lacking, so

Thus I came here

[candid nest]

Just marty with evic with momentum blessing and you live forever

[plucky gate]

I don't even bother with momentum blessing

[ripe quest]

Thammer is better than Evis at Unyielding bosses, it's the best in the game for really big hits. Chaxe is better than both at assassination bosses and the Twins.

[proud jackal]

Unyielding and maybe elites

[plucky gate]

low hp martyr feels safe enough as it is

[candid nest]

I am so sorry for your loss....

[strange kestrel]

alr thanks

[verbal thunder]

Good to know

It sounds like the Evis is the weapon I would want

Since the attack pattern on the hammer is shit for hordes

Evis sounds way more versatile

[coarse birch]

the heavies are fine at hordes

[clear knot]

That’s not true.

[coarse birch]

on crucis

[clear knot]

^

[candid nest]

--side note, marty build is waaaay more melee orientated than fury builds

[young acorn]

When to expect this crusher skin ?

[hardy surge]

how is perfect horizontal wide arc attacks bad for hordes?

[verbal thunder]

I am uneducated, so that's more of a me asking for help

[hardy surge]

oh

[clear knot]

Hammer has pretty good horde chest

[dark zealot]

oh i have that

[coarse birch]

crucis is just spam heavies for hordes

it doesnt kill a ton per swing but it staggers a ton

[ripe quest]

Evis and Chainsword are both generalist weapons yee. The Crucis has very simple combos for hordes, they're safe combos. Ironhelm has varied combos but can also use the special attack vs chaff.

[candid nest]

--which hammer are you using?!~ cause I think 2 has the best horde clear?

[verbal thunder]

Huh, maybe I need to check my blessings or perks on the crucis then

[coarse birch]

and the damage is high enough you do kill most things in the cleave limit

[verbal thunder]

Or maybe I'm not hitting a key bp

[coarse birch]

+you get crit cdr from everything you hit including stuff you arent damaging cause your past cleave limit

[drifting wolf]

what does the pommel at the bottom look like so i can copy this with the mod

[dark zealot]

honestly though i have no idea when i get that skin

[young acorn]

Give it to me

[candid nest]

You want the Mk2 Thammer

[hardy surge]

oh! that's quite interesting

[coarse birch]

yeah you just need to hit the enemy

which is part of why SS on new evis is still fine

even though your damage cap is still 4

[verbal thunder]

I will clean up the build and return when/if I need some suggestions

Thanks a bunch for the feedback

[hardy surge]

yeah SS on new Evis is good, even if just for the stagger. but this makes it even better

[verbal thunder]

Make stupid zealot idiot me into big strong slayer of heletics

[plucky gate]

I've been enjoying shred + rampage on the new evis

[coarse birch]

yeah shred is good for crit build

[plucky gate]

crit cdr on evis goes hard

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-kanyevibe-gif-23816851

[dusky hollow]

So I read somewhere that the lower a zealots health the more damage they deal. Is that mechanically true or just a bit of fluff?

[coarse birch]

it is with martyrdom

its not a passive thing though as far as i know

[plucky gate]

they also have more attack speed and toughness damage reduction

so they're actually kinda safer at low hp with that build

Only if they're taking the wound build though

[hardy surge]

usually you can spot the zealots that are running martyrdom because they have 7 wounds. those are the only ones that benefit from low hp

[plucky gate]

martyrdom scales with health lost based off missing wounds

so it's only the zealots who have like 7 wounds that hate healing

tfw someone watches me intentionally skip a 4 charge medicae station and then goes out of their way to stab me with a green syringe anyways

[ripe quest]

It's a bit rough since Rampage is just a constant on the Mk XV. On the Mk II it allows you to boost the damage output of the H1 in addition to stagger and crit build QoL, on the Mk XV it's only the stagger and crit QoL. From what I understand crit build would just like the Mk II way more. Ult spam is capped to killing 4 enemies per swing regardless on the Mk XV.

[dusky hollow]

So a full wound needs to be missing to come into play, not 1% health loss equals x% damage increase.

[coarse birch]

yeah i dont think its bis, and you are probably better off with shred for that kind of build

[hardy surge]

yes

[clever zealot]

Blessings/perks on the new laspistol?

[coarse birch]

but i dont think its a dead blessing or anything

[ornate bone]

pls tell me i can make this work somehow

[ornate bone]

Bunk

[coarse birch]

uh id probably change cava to pinning and reload to manaic personally but its not great

[ornate bone]

Toss it

Pray to mommy Hadron for better rolls

[clever zealot]

It deals really good damage and like 750 damage per crit with a decent crit rate

[ornate bone]

emotional damage

[ripe quest]

You got two good blessings but they don't work together.

Probs just what yoshi said.

I'd personally use it to steal T4 Surgical since that's a good blessing.

[ornate bone]

Still need to put pinning fire on mine then it's damn near perfect

[coarse birch]

i think i have a really good one on both zealot and vet but i dont like bolter that much

just cause i prefer quick draw weapons

[dark zealot]

this is a keeper right?

[ornate bone]

I like surgical on vet bolter but not zealot bolter

[coarse birch]

im in melee 99% of the time so quick draw is nice

[ornate bone]

I don't aim long enough for it to do anything.. or at all really

[coarse birch]

yeah that one would be josho certified

[ornate bone]

Bolters there as my pocket dumpy

[ripe quest]

@fading vale I've been testing it a bit and all things considered, an SI/Crit blessing Boltgun is kinda fun for getting rid of Crushers.

Feels weirdly like what would happen if Agri got it's base shots swapped to slugs and made the thing weigh 150 pounds.

[hardy surge]

really? by aimed shots? how many does it take? oh wait mb probably

[drifting wolf]

certified gold

[ripe quest]

It's not crazy, but it was like 5-6 Crushers per mag.

[ornate bone]

Keep it for the memes

[hardy surge]

that is pretty good

[ripe quest]

The downside is that SI is extremely Carapace focused. PF is nice for other stuff I imagine.

[dark zealot]

i should take it into hardmode with no talent points

[ornate bone]

No balls

You have to do it now.

[dark zealot]

3 stamina curios because troll

negative drip

[copper hawk]

sick ass ogryn holy shit

is dat like a datamined armor

and cameow

[dark zealot]

no talents

[copper hawk]

i have a pub crawl loadout that's like

[dark zealot]

poof of no talents

[copper hawk]

early game cosmetics

and a devil's claw

[clever zealot]

What blessings/perks on the new laspistol?

[drowsy steppe]

Flak and maniac/elites for the most part

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-on-your-downfall-praying-mugi-tsumugi-tsumugi-kotobuki-gif-26450975

[drowsy steppe]

Dumdum and between raking fire or infernus

but really it only requires Dumdum, and you can just be content with that blessing alone

[dark zealot]

i got downed to gunners in 5s

[drowsy steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-enemies-vinland-saga-gif-5351260217907661521

[dark zealot]

but got back up and wasnt the first to die

yeah somehow the zero talent and terrible weapon guy didnt die first

ngl speedrunning losing might actually be a decent way to grind

[still quartz]

Not for your teammates who are trying to win but not say shit kek

[candid nest]

I alwayts forget what is "Cleave" from savage sweep. Dmg+enemies hit?

[north sedge]

Enemies hit

[ripe quest]

Cleave affects how much hitmass your attacks can go through. It doesn't affect the cleave damage profile.

[strange kestrel]

is this bricked

[clear notch]

horrible waste of time

[strange kestrel]

no

hell no

[clear knot]

yeah

[clear knot]

its not.

please dont

[clear notch]

xp maybe

[untold carbon]

Turn back before it’s too late pal

[strange kestrel]

yeah youre just gonna be the most blocked player on ur server

[flat marsh]

99% sure this dude did that oil injection thing instead of that actually being muscle

[strange kestrel]

damn

not even with last blessing?

[clear knot]

no

[small kernel]

even if the last blessing is good

you have 2 bad perks + 1 bad blessing already

[strange kestrel]

sux

[small kernel]

if you have nothing better

you can try

seeing last blessing

and if it hits good, can use with 1 bad perk

[strange kestrel]

thats pretty much all i have

melee crit dmg sounds good on paper

[small kernel]

its your mats, if losing the plasteel isnt too biggy go for it

[strange kestrel]

cuz of the guaranteed crit on stealth its just 10% extra dmg

[small kernel]

nah cdmg is not that good

[strange kestrel]

but yeah if i get a bad blessing its over

[north sedge]

it's a bad perk

[strange kestrel]

im gonna save the plasteel i guess

shame

[north sedge]

its 10% of the extra dmg, not 10% total

[small kernel]

new flex mod dropped yesterday it seems

[fleet zealot]

it's not

it's 4%

because crit dmg/weakspot damage bonuses are calculated poorly

not to mention hammer, isn't a crit weapon

[plucky gate]

it goes to show how unintuitive it is when everyone just assumes crit/weakspot damage will just multiply everything

[small kernel]

i would say only crucis if it helped reaching monster onetap breakpoints, even then it doesnt help with that either so

pretty much useless

[proud jackal]

@clear knot do you have a martydom one shot build?

[strange kestrel]

alr

[small kernel]

boss onetap thammer?

[strange kestrel]

kuhaku does

[small kernel]

i have one with decent defenses

[strange kestrel]

thats the build im using rn

[small kernel]

too tanky infact for a onetap build

[strange kestrel]

its great

[clear knot]

no i find them gimmicky and not very practical

i can do 3/4s around of any monsters health with my normal marty build

[small kernel]

b-b-but the feeling of seeing a boss go fly

or a demonhost not being able to wake up

[proud jackal]

ah okay, I was trying to remember if you posted one here! thanks 😅

[clear knot]

vin has a marty build in pins

[dark zealot]

for the poor sods stuck with you

[dark zealot]

is that really a bad thing, with the majority of these people... id rather never play with either

[strange kestrel]

yes bro

[plucky gate]

what would you even be grinding if you're speedrunning losses?

[strange kestrel]

no one likes a speedrunner who runs 100 meters ahead and then cries because no ones is resing him

[clear knot]

no its jsut a waste in general

[plucky gate]

ordo dockets?

[clear knot]

?

hes trolling

[dark zealot]

well bell skip

[clear knot]

ignore and move on

[languid canyon]

what do people take on the new evis? is it shred/ss or shred/ramp

[dark zealot]

id rather waste five minutes for 10-12k credits than double to what 4-6 times that for less?

[strange kestrel]

shred rampage

or savage sweep rampage

i think

[dense field]

not ss

[coarse birch]

trying to do hardmode with pubs is killing me am i just bad

[strange kestrel]

shred rampage is mk15 and savage sweep rampage is mk2

yeah

[languid canyon]

ok

ty

[strange kestrel]

ofc

[north sedge]

Rampage and whatever for new one

[ornate bone]

God roll?

[plucky gate]

bro i've lost hardmode with a group of friends a few times already

pubs sounds terrible

[strange kestrel]

its a good roll

[dark zealot]

pubs throw even on heresy

[strange kestrel]

you can get lucky

[dark zealot]

regular boring heresy

[plucky gate]

I bet half of the people you're getting in pubs aren't even aiming for hardmode when they queue up

[dark zealot]

no theres a lot of people who run straight for the golden bell

[silk stratus]

Its fine until theres psykers

Psykers are so fucking useless on hardmode

[strange kestrel]

yeah no psykers

[small kernel]

if you want to run invocation of death (crit cdr talent) shred + rampage, if not can go with rampage + bloodthirsty/savage sweep but remember any enemy hit over 4 isnt gonna take any dmg

[silk stratus]

I KEEP GETTING PSYKERS

[small kernel]

cara + flak for perks

[silk stratus]

Right now my group is two zealots, a psyker, and an ogryn

[dark zealot]

if you get a psyker leave or throw it so you can just never see them again

[silk stratus]

guess who is gonna get wiped out because they didn't do their job

[small kernel]

not really if they are using trauma and know what they are doing

can perma stun any elite wave

[ornate bone]

I think stealth veteran might be pretty good for the boss fight if you have two zealots for maximum damage and ogryn for tanking

[silk stratus]

ogryn just left

we're fucked

[strange kestrel]

hell no

shout veteran

kind of a must have

[silk stratus]

is stealth zealot good here

never tried it

[strange kestrel]

nope

[small kernel]

stealth feels awful for the new fight, sure easy res but drops aggro which most likely going to end up with another party member dying

[strange kestrel]

chorus zealot

[ornate bone]

Sure but thats boring

[dark zealot]

for normal stealth zealot is great

[strange kestrel]

ok that doesnt matter do you want to beat hardmode or not

[dark zealot]

infinite revives

[small kernel]

for non-hardmode yes

[strange kestrel]

some things u gotta have on hardmode if u dont want to have a miserable time

[dark zealot]

krill issue

[ornate bone]

Frfr

[strange kestrel]

thats exactly what happens

[ornate bone]

are plague ogren unyilding?

[strange kestrel]

yes

[lean lark]

stealth is insanely good for the new fight

[small kernel]

all those ragers/maulers attacking you going to run up to another teammate that is also targetted by the boss

[ornate bone]

will my dad ever come back from getting milk?

[plucky gate]

Is it really infinite revives when people will just run out of wounds and you get perma locked if you die?

[candid nest]

What yall think Shred or rampage? I'm honestly thinking perfect strike just to be able to cleave more enemies when I do crit
(rocking fury)

[plucky gate]

fight is long man

[silk stratus]

Psyker died literally within 30 seconds

[small kernel]

he said normal one

no lockup

[dark zealot]

i mean normal not hard

[lean lark]

fight takes long if your team comp is bad

[plucky gate]

oh right

[dark zealot]

the funniest part for me i can tear her shield down

[plucky gate]

yeah i've seen stealth clutch normal with revive before too

[copper hawk]

@adomesticatedzoe

Oh

[ornate bone]

My group has fucked up the twins on damnnation with that team so I think were gonna do the hard mode today with it

[copper hawk]

Oh waow

Wtf

[dark zealot]

and chunk him to end the first stage of the fight rather easily

[lean lark]

someone got the banhammer

[dark zealot]

but i have to babysit three players

[plucky gate]

i just can't imagine the fight going well if people need the revives on hard

[small kernel]

i have helped 4 teams in lfg today completing the hardmode and any stealth feels really bad, chorus/shout is a better way of going for revives as chorus even staggers the boss duo

[ornate bone]

Dog stealth is vital as your support

[drowsy steppe]

@clear knot

[lean lark]

stealth does not feel bad in it

[dark zealot]

chorus means you cant revive

[copper hawk]

@clear knot

[small kernel]

the point is someone else is doing the revive

[dark zealot]

and your pub sure as hell arent going to do it for you

[lean lark]

i've ran it and carried maybe 9 teams on my own vs both bosses

using stealth caxe

[small kernel]

i never mentioned pub?

did you even read me saying lfg?

aka voice chat here

[dark zealot]

imnew

[silk stratus]

chain axe is incredible now

[lean lark]

no i dont use chaxe

[lean lark]

dog weapon

never gonna touch that filthj

same as knife

sure they're good, but they're not good for me or my playstyle

[dark zealot]

"did you even read" - bitch please clearly you didnt either

[sterile schooner]

melee crit chance to maniac? then... idk thrust to slaughterer?

[ornate bone]

So basically my team runs a chorus zealot me a stealth zealot a ogryn with a shield and a stealth veteran with the medpack perk and krakcocaine

[silk stratus]

thats fair

[strange kestrel]

suboptimal for hardmode

[small kernel]

sure it can happen but i would still like to see an actual clip of you fighting both bosses alone

[strange kestrel]

but if yall beat it yall beat it

[dark zealot]

shield ogryn seems a waste

[lean lark]

it isnt

shieldgryn can indefinitely block bosses

[ornate bone]

We haven't tried it but we fuck up the twin on damn

[dark zealot]

the bosses arent the problem

[silk stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-gif-15112361227290036695

[candid nest]

Pulling threat so 3 others can do whatever is incredibly nice

[lean lark]

the bosses ARE the problem

[strange kestrel]

2 chorus zealots 1 voc veteran and ogryn is good

[lean lark]

specifically rodin

the elites are nothing

[clear notch]

with the amount of stagger it gives after one channel or even after a full duration of relic, if you still can't revive that's a skill issue

[untold carbon]

And his brap bombs

[oak yacht]

What secondary stuff do I want on relics? And does Toughness Regeneration Speed have diminishing returns?

[ornate bone]

I'll say something

[lean lark]

dont run toughness regen on zealot

better off with +tough +hp +gunner res

[small kernel]

toughness regen speed only affects regular coherency regen start delay and speed

[lean lark]

as your perks for curios

[silk stratus]

I've tried hard mode probably 20 times in the past two days and I've never died to the bosses. I exclusively get killed by the 800 moebian 6th guys that the assail psyker is choosing to ignore

[oak yacht]

Oh, I thought it was better than that thanks for letting me know

[clear notch]

is that the new chaxe? i keep forgetting the marks

[dark zealot]

he'll just shoot you out of it, she'll charge you the moment she targets you or a rager/mauler/crusher will pound you

[sterile schooner]

yup the new one

[clear notch]

ye you want thrust

[small kernel]

the main reason why bosses are also a problem is because of the fart bombs that you get pushed in or run into while kiting

[ornate bone]

Dog I can go to town on that anime bitch and those mauler's with my best bud ogryn

He can hold aggro and I can just go to town knocking down each one

[clear notch]

the overhead heavies are nice

[oak yacht]

Revive Speed seems good too. I only play Damnation, not Aurics, so people go down often

[untold carbon]

Brap bombs

[north sedge]

corruption resist helps on the fight

[silk stratus]

Yeah true, I've made it a point now to take out those mines when I can. Last night I had not one but three mutants charge me into the mines and that fucking sucked.

[oak yacht]

If you get multiple +resist gunners, do they stack additively or multiplicatively?

[ornate bone]

There's another thing my stealth vet buddy does he just runs into all of them

[dark zealot]

the specialists are the biggest cheese

[sterile schooner]

oooh they are

feels like they come out very fast

[ornate bone]

That's pretty much his biggest job

[north sedge]

the latter

[oak yacht]

Ah ok, so better to diversify

[clear notch]

not really

gunners are a big threat

[oak yacht]

Another question, what weapons are best for infiltrate backstabbing? I thought I would use something that cleaves a lot so I could get multiple backstab kills with momentum

[clear notch]

you can't dodge a bullet hose indefinitely but you can with melee enemies

[iron seal]

I haven't had a chance to try out the new weapons, how are they?

The chain weapons I mean.

[karmic whale]

Pretty much all great

[plucky gate]

new evis is nice

[karmic whale]

New chainsword is kinda meh

[iron seal]

How would I wanna build the new evi? There was a chain axe too I think right?

[tame python]

4 the new evis whts the ideal blessings

[plucky gate]

the evis is very slow but has the stagger and damage to make up for it

[untold carbon]

New evis is literally executioner sword 2.0, all horizontal lights, overhead heavies

[plucky gate]

the lights feel like heavies to me

[karmic whale]

Same as old evis I think

Rampage

[small kernel]

rampage + shred/bloodthristy depending on the build

[karmic whale]

Is shred the crit one?

Or the cleave one

[plucky gate]

crit

[iron seal]

I do like the exe sword

[small kernel]

cleave is not that great on it

lights locked to 4 enemy dmg

[karmic whale]

Right

[small kernel]

cant go over even with cleave

can stagger more with extra cleave but

w/e

[karmic whale]

I was getting ready to say that crit wasn't that important either but then I remembered that I'm always running evis with piety

YMMV

[ornate bone]

If only....

[plucky gate]

you cleave plenty with its naturally good cleave + rampage anyways

[untold carbon]

Despite it the target cap it can still deal with hordes exceptionally well

[faint mountain]

just run a crit bleed and wrath build for evis

[small kernel]

ye light swings are decently fast

even better with martyrdom

[broken token]

yall seen this?

[untold carbon]

I prefer it with crit cdr personally

[karmic whale]

I read that the new evis has better overhead hvy dmg??

[small kernel]

i still like old evis for that :p

[oak yacht]

If you are doing stealth, is it better to get the crit keystone or the momentum keystone?

[small kernel]

ye can onetap crusher

without chastise

but need crit

[karmic whale]

Mmmm that's compelling

[ornate bone]

Momentum

[plucky gate]

momentum

[ripe quest]

The damage keystones are generally better. Blazing Piety is only used for the crit CDR stuff.

[north sedge]

anything besides crit

[faint mountain]

hmmmm... carapase

[plucky gate]

imo half the reason to even go crit is for the cdr to spam abilities

[oak yacht]

Oh is the crit keystone not actually good?

[karmic whale]

I'm still stuck on the old evis moveset and was questioning why I would use the new one over it

[plucky gate]

and stealth isn't exactly the kind of thing i spam

[small kernel]

blazing piety is the ''fun'' off-meta option, unless you are running chorus

[karmic whale]

It's great with certain builds and weaps

[dark zealot]

yeah 10k ordos for failing it

[clear notch]

same as the captain, no weakspots, the shield is resistant to range

[ripe quest]

It allows you to get as much crit chance as possible, which is fun for crit CDR since you can get your ult every swing on some weapons. Damage wise though it's not comparable to the other keystones.

[untold carbon]

Also new chainaxe is fantastic, been running one with headtaker and thrust and I’ve been chunking the fuck out of the twins on hard

[karmic whale]

Piety + combat sword is pretty fucking fun

[clear notch]

@ripe quest how hard are the new bosses? are meta builds required

[dark zealot]

biggest problem is people trying to melee her

[ornate bone]

so flak armor and just hit the dude in the balls ?

[karmic whale]

Is thrust not wasted on chain axe?

I thought it didn't affect rip dmg

[broken token]

wdym no weakspots, the head still does weakspot damage right?

[dark zealot]

it doesnt do optimal damage and you are going to struggle to get actual damage in

[ripe quest]

On base Damnation they just require a tiny bit of learning. Hardmode requires a good bit of effort, I'd recommend a good build and some friends.