zealot-class

[rancid fern]

Get maniac and unyielding or the likes on l
Perks

[minor sage]

Thats why

[bitter patio]

didnt know that, never actaully took it out of meat grinder

because it was just bad in everything

[heavy arch]

can u join a twins hardmode w/o unlocking it

[minor sage]

Runs fastest and has the best ammo economy

[rancid fern]

Do not get flak perk this is not the weapon for that.

[bitter patio]

graia has so much ammo I cant use it all before I get full again from survivalist

[minor sage]

Also, graia brauto im pretty sure is the bad one

[dark zealot]

only other one worth mentioning was this

[bitter patio]

2.4k dps on flak

[minor sage]

@fading vale graia brauto is the bad one right?

[bitter patio]

and maniac

[rancid fern]

Better

[bitter patio]

graia cant hit past like 30 meters but it has the highest dps and its not even close after the last buff

[coarse birch]

graia is the funky one yeah but they did buff it idk how it holds up now

[red mesa]

if you had a bad heavy laspistol X

and could only choose flak, or maniac 1 perk

which one?

[native cargo]

Your ammo is 3% off from being good shame. Shame shame shame.

[bitter patio]

the agri had 1.7k and the graia now has 2.4k

[dark zealot]

well im not gonna junk it yet

[bitter patio]

I tested it again right after the buff

[rancid fern]

Quitting the game

[native cargo]

No its fine actually just gotta see if Hadron Roulette will brick it

[red mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/shook-distraught-devastated-done-crying-gif-15489803

[spice wren]

Ayo..

Worth buying perhaps

I like %10 Ordo dockets.

%20 gunners also nice.

And it's a 20 hp

[dark zealot]

... its doomed

[bitter patio]

this is on a zealot? then yea you dont have onslaught so its probably bricked

[dark zealot]

yep

[polar nexus]

no

just chastise

[bitter patio]

thats fair, I usually just melee them anyway

[polar nexus]

you still need the cara perk to dmg crushers

it's very far from bricked

you just need dumdum4 and flak4

[bitter patio]

id still want flak and maniac on it

[polar nexus]

you don't need maniac tbh

[bitter patio]

ragers are the majority of what I would shoot with that

[rancid fern]

Flak perks are pointlesss

[polar nexus]

you'll shred them without

[rancid fern]

This is your specialist weapon

[bitter patio]

I wouldnt use that weapon if I wanted to shoot specialists, either a revolver or a headhunter

[rancid fern]

Ur melee will be your flak attack when using this rifle

[bitter patio]

the sole reason to use that is rager packs

it offers nothing better for shooting specs

[rancid fern]

I would

[polar nexus]

headhunter is ass against specialists / maniacs

[dark zealot]

pairing it with my bonk stick and chorus

[rancid fern]

Nothing mows down dreg ragers better than dumping mkv columnus mag

[dark zealot]

and yeah its also bad

[polar nexus]

you need better power output

[dark zealot]

i have one with better i think

[polar nexus]

half the ragers are flak, the other half is maniac, both are elites

and the iag just shreds maniacs

[copper hawk]

Skullcrusher is a required blessing p much w the power maul

[coarse birch]

yall melk selling the craziest knife might have to cop 🙂

[copper hawk]

NOH

NOOOH

DONT TOUCHE DAT KNIFE

DONT DO ITTE !!

[coarse birch]

i know this is a joke lol

[ornate bone]

?

[coarse birch]

those stats are crazy tho

i run precog uncanny

[dark zealot]

all he sells sucks in my experience

[bitter patio]

Ca2 revolver takes care of everything but crushers, it 2 shots flak ragers and 3 shots maniac ones, maulers cant touch you, you 1 shot all chaff but the guy with flak chest, and with buffs you kill him too which basically means just hit literally anyone before them. Crushers die with a fury charge and stun nades

[rancid fern]

52 mobility

Nah

[leaden sage]

BAck on my boltgun nonesnse, this one any good besides damage to unarmored targets?

[ornate bone]

whats so harambe at the knife?

[rancid fern]

Might as well run a hammer

[fading vale]

Leroy tryna be the new bad takes on everything person

[rancid fern]

I can swear on my life I've probably carried you

[polar nexus]

shattering to pinning fire and one perk to unyielding / flak or elite

[delicate needle]

slap on pinning and turn it into a crit bloter ig

[fading vale]

oh wow look at that reply, classic bad takes reply

[copper hawk]

Honestly I have no fckin cloo anymeowre

[rancid fern]

How are my takes bad? Go

[polar nexus]

i wish i had your wisdom Larzorr

[copper hawk]

After they obliterated the bolter

[coarse birch]

p sure larzorr is the best zealot chat darktide player

[polar nexus]

i was baited

[fading vale]

anyways that knife has 2 bad perks and 1 mid and 1 bad blessing

good roll though

[coarse birch]

this was a joke post dont worry

i saw mercy and lacerate

and could only think of zealot chat

[copper hawk]

[rancid fern]

You think 52% mobility on a knife 368 knife is a good roll? Do you know what a good roll means?

[dark zealot]

put it in orgryn chat

[copper hawk]

Yah Lazorr

Do u haz any idea

[dark zealot]

terrible

[fading vale]

you think mobility is relevant?

[copper hawk]

Bwuheheehehe..

[coarse birch]

does 50% make me lose a dodge even

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-sonic-fast-run-walk-gif-17514382

[dark zealot]

yes for the sonic roleplay

[untold carbon]

If only I had the plasteel to try for a Laspistol like this on my zealot, I’d really like to try it out

[tropic harbor]

It's been a month since I played last, glad to see zealot chat has not changed

[polar nexus]

you do not lose dodges on knives

even if your mobility is below 50

[ornate bone]

brother dosent use heavys to move

[fading vale]

I really hate when I get perfect stat rolls with 52 on the dump stat, man so bad

[polar nexus]

stat issue

[fading vale]

shattering to pinning and reload to something else

[untold carbon]

I love good low rolls, every stat that matters being above 70 and the ones that make no difference are as low as possible

[polar nexus]

mobily is important for a guy named Leroy

https://tenor.com/view/leroy-jenkins-world-of-warcraft-mmorpg-gaming-v-ideo-game-gif-3526555

[rancid fern]

Ah yes, the zealot ripper gun

[fading vale]

lmao you think 36 collat is a good roll

[untold carbon]

Collat don’t really matter all that much on rippers at least with how I use em

[rancid fern]

Do you understand the concept of a knife?

[fading vale]

(this is the joke)

[polar nexus]

do you know the meme leeroy jenkins?

[untold carbon]

Ah I see sorry lol

[polar nexus]

if you don't, gtfo you child

[ornate bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7a817d-6ef9-49b6-9e1e-c6f1d03b3fec/zealot-meta-stealth so is this what the kids would call a KINO build?

[hardy surge]

yes. you take it out and people give you money. and their phones

[untold carbon]

Still a decent example of what you’re trying to say tho yeah?

[polar nexus]

i win

[rancid fern]

Tell this to the incessant knife wielders in public games plz.

[delicate shadow]

if extremely flawed is KINO then sure

[fading vale]

I'm saying it's a good roll cause the dump stats on that don't matter

[dark zealot]

who else hits barrels the moment they see one?

[untold carbon]

Course

[rancid fern]

Only if you have 65%+ mobility

[ornate bone]

where do i then find these KINO builds? cuz youtube gives me these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKMmMmIDuZA guide website others and discord says dont do that shi

[copper hawk]

Heretic army

[fading vale]

I require an extra 1% dodge distance and sprint efficiency

absolutely necessary

[copper hawk]

Ooh !! Me me !! Meeeee

[rancid fern]

Oh god here we go

[copper hawk]

[polar nexus]

i did hard mode with 1 bolter and 2 taxes

(and 2 ogryns)

[rancid fern]

Bro please just be quiet

[polar nexus]

so everything is possible

[hardy surge]

so true. as soon as I went all out with Chaxe and autogun I'm suddenly quite high value in that fight

[fading vale]

knife should be solid on the twins esp with uncanny and precog

[copper hawk]

2 ogrynz r like a requirement

[delicate shadow]

I honestly wouldn't trust most YTers or gameslantern guides

the discord is a good spot to ask questions at least

[untold carbon]

I’ve yet to beat twins on hard, but I’ve come close a good number of times and I’m fairly confident that I can do it

[delicate shadow]

I used hsword6, I think we also had a chaxe and a rashad (hardmode enabled too obvs)

[rancid fern]

I love knife. I can carry games with knife. But for Orthus Offensive it's like having a handicap.

[fading vale]

yeah the vast majority of DT youtubers just post misinformation

[untold carbon]

I’ve been swapping between evis and chain axe for the twins

[fading vale]

there's like 1 or 2 decent ones

[thorn imp]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[fading vale]

I click the M1

[thorn imp]

knife bad hsword good, I go back to poe

[tough wadi]

When do I get a double handed chain Axe for gods sake!

[untold carbon]

I sadly don’t have a good rashad and I’m too lazy and too poor to roll one

[coarse birch]

Oh huh the more you know

[tough wadi]

Purging heretics would be exquisite

[untold carbon]

But despite that I’ve been contributing a lot to boss damage with the evis

[tough wadi]

i've switched to the new chain axe. much better boss dmg

[polar nexus]

just check to be sure, but i was looking at good knife with like 38 mobility and i was expecting to lose dodges

but no

[untold carbon]

Yeah as much as I love my evis I’m going to be swapping to my chain axe for these assholes

[drowsy anchor]

same 😔

have to get the killing going

[tropic harbor]

What are your thoughts on the crucis?

[untold carbon]

With my boys we were able to get really consistent with it but at least 2 of us usually end up croaking when gun guy dies, we’ve gotten extremely close to killing sword bitch as well too

[dark zealot]

did alright with this squad

[tropic harbor]

I haven't played in like a month, and haven't been playing regularly since the class update

[dark zealot]

but one guy died and the orgyn thought ressing me in the gas was smart

lore accurate ogryn be like

[untold carbon]

Crucis is widely loved

[drowsy anchor]

common prgyn

[tropic harbor]

Good to know. trying to find out what is out of date or not... seems like most stuff is viable for damnation now

[polar nexus]

attract bad players failing to oneshot stuff

[copper hawk]

Crucis has always been damnation viable

Whaddagloop

[polar nexus]

they want to run before learning how to walk

[copper hawk]

Crucis has been and probz will be one of the best Zeal wpnz in the game

[tropic harbor]

Good, that hasn't changed

[proven merlin]

How's this sword?

[dark zealot]

gun felt good though

[polar nexus]

good

[copper hawk]

Grear sword

Great*

[fading vale]

good except for crit chance perk, but good regardless of that

[proven merlin]

So what am I meant to do with it? I was told heavy sword is really good at mixed hordes but it feels quite a bit worse than the eviscerator

[untold carbon]

I remember how disappointed I was with the evis when I first unlocked it, was expecting exe sword 2.0 but was let down, had to wait a year to get Exe sword 2.0 in the form of the new evis

[polar nexus]

you can go crit node and spam chastise to no end

[tropic harbor]

oh shit, is evis good now too?

[untold carbon]

Yup

[tropic harbor]

oh man oh man it's time to saw some mutants in half as they run past me

[fading vale]

eh just go marty and 1 shot everything

[dark zealot]

shove attack and heavy 1 for horde clear right?

[polar nexus]

that too

[delicate needle]

it shines with deathblow

weakspot kills in hordes will let you keep applying first target dmg or something

and tear thru them

[dark zealot]

I got wrath 4 again

[fading vale]

hsword heavies should even without deathblow should 1 shot 2 of every elite except maulers and ogryns

[proven merlin]

does horde just mean basic enemies or is it meant to handle ragers and things as well?

[polar nexus]

@spare talon you got that clip of you with the hsword at the end of carnivale?

[untold carbon]

The new Evis’s light pattern is all horizontal swings and both heavies are overheads

It’s very nice

[polar nexus]

you got one good perk

[dark zealot]

found it in the store

[polar nexus]

the modifiers are good

[untold carbon]

Like really good

[polar nexus]

just upgrade it, there's no way you cannot salavge it

[untold carbon]

The other blessing you want is rampage and the other perk is maniac

[old path]

Can a chainsword blessing be re-blessed on a heavy eviscerator?

[untold carbon]

Also with wrath you can just spam lights for horde clear

[untold carbon]

No

Blessings don’t share between weapon families

[old path]

I thought it did since they both use shred.

shame.

[dark zealot]

wrong suffix

[dim sky]

Hundreds of hours on psyker and now im a zealot main ... FML 😢

[polar nexus]

all weapons have a damage modifier

[dark zealot]

some things in the shop:

think ill take the laspistol cause i could get a blessing from it in one upgrade

[tropic harbor]

What does a good heavy evis look like blessing and perk wise?

I’d figure it out myself but I can’t be bothered to help innovate DT gameplay. I’m basically a parasite

[polar nexus]

stopping power is dmg

[obtuse solstice]

what curios are you guys running? currently on 1tough 2hp but I dunno if that's optimal

[ornate bone]

soooo whats a BIS knife then?

[polar nexus]

nuvis or ogvis?

[tropic harbor]

New evis

[untold carbon]

For the mk2 you want rampage, savage sweep, flak and maniac, for the mkXV you want shred and rampage

[polar nexus]

rampage + shred / momentum or bloodthirsty

[proven merlin]

i am a huge fan of unyielding carapace savage sweep and rampage

[untold carbon]

Same perks, flak and maniac

[polar nexus]

i disagree

flak yes, then you can go elite or unyielding

because the only maniac you have to melee is an elite too

[untold carbon]

Yeah I knew I was probably wrong perk wise

[dark zealot]

what does rampage do? is that the damage for 3 enemies hit one?

[untold carbon]

Increased power when hitting 3 enemies

[dark zealot]

ahhh im missing that blessing then

[tropic harbor]

Problem with rampage is that I kill too many enemies at once

[dark zealot]

or not turns out my only mk XV has it at 3

[tropic harbor]

What’s the point if there’s no enemies to kill

[placid lily]

ITS DA FUCKEN BEERY SEINFEILD FROM BEE MOVIE OHY MY FUCKIN GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[royal vortex]

first try'd it with 3 people who hadnt completed hard mode

[dark zealot]

ohh god no, they are onto me

[placid lily]

we got em

DOWN ON THE FLOOR U MISCREANT

[ornate bone]

boss dmg 0?

[royal vortex]

doesn't count em in current scoreboard

[untold carbon]

Boss damage doesn’t track for the twins

For some reason

[ornate bone]

so weard

[placid lily]

damn josho is washed

0 boss dmg

[pastel glacier]

this worth picking up from Melk?

[polar nexus]

yes

unarmored to flak or elites and cavalcade to pinning fire

[tropic harbor]

Can you read the entire script for us please?

[dark zealot]

what combo for chain sword and the bosses?

[dark zealot]

maybe but id get banned

[untold carbon]

Reved heavies, that’s pretty much it

[polar nexus]

just use it like a big snipe that you can magdump on crushers with chastise

[tropic harbor]

Run Shadowheart as life cleric, and use Wyll for hunger of Hadar. Try and keep enemies in hunger by using eldrich blast

[fleet zealot]

rev'd heavies, as for general horde clear, jsut try to combo horizontals and diagonals together, idk the chsword combos

[untold carbon]

[polar nexus]

because you're like the only class that can't one shot a crusher now

[ornate bone]

no karlach ? no win

[winged sleet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1123677743184359565/bruh.gif

[untold carbon]

My man 🤝

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-3-dance-gif-15776800149893939198

[tropic harbor]

Karlach is a devil who makes Wyll grow ugly horns

[untold carbon]

Karlach is a golden retriever

[tropic harbor]

For this combo Re-class Karlach as a rogue with bolter plus power sword so you can hear her say “stealthlach” all the time

[hardy surge]

how to delete 6+ maulers fast?

[ornate bone]

no spoiler but Karlach wyll ending is the most handsom shi* ever

[polar nexus]

wait she says that?\

[grizzled aspen]

thunder hammer with thrust, smack the shit out of them

[ornate bone]

me resisting the urge to say "alt-f4"

[tropic harbor]

Yes, and it’s great

[delicate shadow]

it's a new patch so mod needs to be updated to include em

[hardy surge]

anything faster than that?

[delicate shadow]

it's unsurprising really

[untold carbon]

My go to squad is Wyll, Karlach and Gale

[untold carbon]

Yeah

[polar nexus]

ogrynheimer

[ornate bone]

Braced autoguns can do funny bodyshot damage

[tropic harbor]

Bolter?

[dark zealot]

almost killed them hard mode

but i died :(

[ornate bone]

Knives do pretty nice too, specially if you got uncanny stacked or roll with ruthless backstab

[untold carbon]

Sadly Bolter has fallen off since patch 13

[polar nexus]

still useful tbh

[hardy surge]

that's what I've been using so far

[delicate shadow]

Rashad combat axe, Hsword6 and 9 are both good, any of the chain weapons really

[dark zealot]

gonna retry with this squad

[tropic harbor]

😦

[tropic fable]

What perks and blessings do i go for on evis?

[grizzled aspen]

not really, no, unless you've also got a hand cannon stub revolver in your pocket to drop 2 maulers before pulling your hammer and smacking them

[delicate shadow]

yeah a lot of ranged weapons dunk maulers

[untold carbon]

It’s still not bad, but it’s still a shadow of its former glory

[woeful oyster]

When we beat the HM Twins I took a MkII columnus for the maulers and ragers, worked good. Need good roll though. Use with Fury of The Faithful.

[untold carbon]

Depends on the variant, new Evis?

[dark zealot]

two ogryns and two zealots kinda goated

[spare talon]

which one

[polar nexus]

the one

[spare talon]

the one with the sniper in it?

[polar nexus]

where you just chastise from elites to elites

[tropic fable]

yea, new one. This is what I rolled when consecrating it.

[untold carbon]

Shred and rampage and for perks Flak and elites

[dark zealot]

how funny would it be if i beat hard mode first?

[spare talon]

or the one with like a bajillion gunners

[tropic fable]

thnaks, wil work on getting a better one then

[polar nexus]

probably the one with the gunners

[hardy surge]

I've been rolling with a Graia 4. you think Columnus is superior?

[bitter patio]

fury Rashad combat axe mk2 with momentum and the on backstab 20% cdr will wipe maulers out very fast. You get 50% more attack speed if you take one extra talent and 1 hit all chaff, 2 hit flak ragers and can 2 hit maniac ragers if you build your axe for them. Crushers are an issue until you pop fury then you just dodge in circles while heavy attacking

[polar nexus]

it is

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752156106071081021/1176360130686750752/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.20_-_20.57.41.21_-_Trim.mp4?ex=656e95be&is=655c20be&hm=4c5c4428c851e1f725a5169ae61e1e6ef533f0c004aef6ec9dbfe1a25ed95972&

[bitter patio]

graia 4 is great on vet, this is zealot chat

[polar nexus]

@proven merlin

[hardy surge]

oh, very iinteresting

[strange kestrel]

obviously you pray to the benificient emperor

[hardy surge]

ill rol a columnus then

[untold carbon]

I still haven’t beaten em, and I’m finishing my college work before attempt them again

[polar nexus]

get flak nd dumdum on it

[spare talon]

this is the one i thought you were talking about
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1176284655008370808/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.20_-_16.09.37.16_-_Trim.mp4?ex=656e4f74&is=655bda74&hm=08167472c0a0820af8536088d7ac68855ae41bbe3db7753b6237c30868bb6366&

[hardy surge]

columnus 2 doesnt have dumdum. I do have a columnus 5 with dumdum and flak

[woeful oyster]

Graia may be fine. I do think a Mkv Columnnus is probably the best choice though. Its all about mag size, reload speed. With the MkII I used I could easily drop 4-5 ragers or maulers with one mag.

[bitter patio]

if youre taking colum braced just take the infantry autogun, its better is every way, columnus braced is worse in every way other than speed than the other braced guns and the infantry autogun is actually good

[polar nexus]

oh you're talking about braced?

[loud saffron]

whats the base crit chance for knife? its high right?

[polar nexus]

i missed that

[hardy surge]

some dude sais they wererolling with the 2. tahts why I asked versus the graia 4

[bitter patio]

I read 15 but its hard to tell and that was from 8 months ago so it could have changed.

[polar nexus]

yeak, braced is agri and iag is columnus

[woeful oyster]

It's good to take breaks, doing something for too long usually results in deminishing returns.

[spare talon]

oh its great at mixed hordes
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1177153645498871848/GeForce_NOW_2023.11.23_-_01.43.33.08.DVR.mp4?ex=658d2843&is=657ab343&hm=5b752d66ad870b8a4083f1a70ffafa4cc93a4468802baf9db0c8d15d973a8475&

[polar nexus]

my bad, i did not see the mark

[untold carbon]

True, throwing myself at them for 8 hours definitely helped me grasp the fight tho

[wicked fox]

It was so close to perfection

[untold carbon]

Next time I attempt them I’m going to be running a mkXII chainaxe with headtaker and thrust with a momentum build

[hardy surge]

In the columnus 5, is dumdum and deathspitter good?

[strange kestrel]

yes

you could get dumdum and fire frenzy but deathspitter is good enough

[dark zealot]

ngl i think my lack of blessings is holding me back in this

[proven merlin]

so chastise works by downgrading the armor tier of the thing you're hitting, right? It's not rending? So do I want +flak for shooting an infantry autogun at a crusher?

[woeful oyster]

Rate of fire Trumps Damage per shot, but its a trivial difference if comparing good rolls on either.

[idle coyote]

is Bloodthirsty 4 any good on the heavy eviscerator ?

[woeful oyster]

more or less, yes

[bitter patio]

yea which is why graia braced has the highest dps, but agri is the only one with decent ranged accuracy so its good by default. Colum has bad ranged bad dps bad weakpoint damage like all braced and the only positive Ive heard is that it runs a bit faster than the other two

[dark zealot]

im trying damage buff with the chorus

[woeful oyster]

for a zealot though its all about close range damage anyway. Ads is cool but the bracing is fine.

[bitter patio]

isnt the toughness dr worthless on chorus because you already have 100% on the yellow toughness anyway?

[woeful oyster]

I did it with a full gas martydom build so idk about chorus.

[hardy surge]

wait you are saying the agri 8 is a better braced? I've been sleeping on it. (Still I think I'm rolling wuith Colum 5 though)

[faint marsh]

i run agri 8

[fading vale]

agri is the best brauto for sure

[faint marsh]

seems to be meta

i run knife and agri 8 lol

[bitter patio]

Its acknoledged as the best simply because you can kind of hit things far away and the other two are worthless at long range, even mid range is a struggle. Its got like 70% of the graias dps too so its not bad and has way more damage per bullet so its economy is still good

[dark zealot]

i think ogryns, zealot for chorus buff and veteran for damage buff is solid squad

[gray ice]

Did graia get buffed last patch? Graia was worst braced by a pretty wide margin

[faint marsh]

mk3 knife and zarona revolver is hilarious

so fun

also chorus is great on martyrdom. i run that

[gray ice]

Columnus braced is essentially just better autopistol now

[woeful oyster]

Which ever kills them the fastest based on your rolls is the one you want, I just said I took a Mk II colum because its the best one I personally have.

[bitter patio]

I was getting the same dps as the agri before the patch and now Im getting 2.4k vs 1.7k graia vs agri

[faint marsh]

at least it works for me

[fading vale]

graia had a 20% damage buff, so no way it comes close to beating agri

graia right click has like a 5 meter range too

[bitter patio]

are you using the secondary fire? thats where all the damage comes from

without the secondary fire its very very bad

[fading vale]

too many bullets not accurate enough

[woeful oyster]

I used the bracing when I killed shit, yes.

[bitter patio]

its literally "help ragers are right on top of me" the weapon

you can kill 5 per mag in like 3 seconds

[fading vale]

but agri does that out to like 25m easily

[faint marsh]

if you have the right modifiers on it a mag dump kills a crusher too

[valid garden]

should I grab this from melk for any of the blessings?

[fading vale]

and also deletes everything else

[gray ice]

No

[fading vale]

and cleaves poxwalkers

[bitter patio]

and graia does it better and I dont care about things 25 meters out Im not a vet

[woeful oyster]

Its a trivial difference bois

[bitter patio]

I can slide into things 25 meters out

[lunar fable]

surely this doesn't brick

[valid garden]

ok thanks

[faint marsh]

shit wait that was my old one

[fading vale]

ok 15m who cares

graia ain't hitting all it's bullets at 15m

[faint marsh]

this is the way for autogun

[bitter patio]

braced graia is god at 10 meters and zealots are fast enough to keep everything at 10 meters indefinitely so it doesnt matter, you literally throw out like 15 bullets a second

its supposed to have a 10% attack speed buff on secondary but someone added an extra 0 so its 100%

[gray ice]

Is that cara on an agri

[faint marsh]

having close range blessings holy@shit makes this so much better at its job

[hardy surge]

it is quitea bit clunky to pull out and brace though

[faint marsh]

yeah i rank the crushers

i like fighting the packs of them lol

knife and autogun is so fun

take out a chaos spawn in like 11 seconds with the right people lol

[violet hornet]

well at least you're not knifing the crushers

[gray ice]

Ohhhkay

[pure shoal]

Hmmm... I need to rebless mine. So deathspitter and fire frenzy over Stripped Down IV for any reason?

[faint marsh]

chorus spam the chaos spawn where you want it and then light it the fuck up and then backstab kills

[clear knot]

LOL

LMFAO even

[gray ice]

Listen I just

[faint marsh]

i run with my melee out lol

[bitter patio]

speedloader isnt actually bad on a vet because youll have stupid ammo and it increases your dps by alot

[gray ice]

I'm not here to judge

[woeful oyster]

My MkII columnus has FF and DS, was good combo

[clear knot]

i am, cara is a dogshit perk to use on brauto

[pure shoal]

Sadly this is my Zealot, and there's no way I'm crunching this beauty for that blessing. 😂

[clear knot]

dont

[faint marsh]

also bleed stacks blessings make this more than possible

[clear knot]

just dont

lol

[faint marsh]

takes 1 charged knife hit lol

[pure shoal]

That's fair. 😛 I was just curious if Stripped Down was still seeing frequent use for the temporary immunity, or if the one that gives immunity on kill was better. Edit: "Hit & Run"

[woeful oyster]

Definitely Flak

[candid nest]

This any good?

[faint marsh]

if you’re running something other than knife for melee yes

[gray ice]

Not particularly

[faint marsh]

i have most my build centered around knife use

[pure shoal]

Gotcha. This would not be knife.

[bitter patio]

I mean this is zealot we have 2 skills that make gunners useless

we dont need to waste a blessing on a gun for it

[pure shoal]

Valid. 😂 Just have to get to one of them.

[bitter patio]

one of them is literally the same things but for no stamina too

plus 10% sprint speed

or you can just diagonal slide

[pure shoal]

Is "Dodging" immunity if you're running straight at them?

[bitter patio]

no you have to go at an angle

[pure shoal]

Right, makes sense.

[faint marsh]

running this revolver with knife is a meme but a lot of fun

just need a vet or else i’m throwing

brauto is all i use on auric but i’ll fuck around on damn with this

[bitter patio]

I dont use my revolver enough to need more ammo

either I can get in range to kill them or someone else will have shot them first. Or its a disabler and they just die

[crisp plaza]

Question why does the zealot consistently have the worst cosmetics in the game

[fleet zealot]

winter overwatch

[fleet zealot]

this is just wrong kindred

[faint marsh]

also roast my build LOL

[bitter patio]

we have prison pants and the burlap sack for finishing your first mission its the best cosmetics in the game

[wicked otter]

Can someone explain how "Swift certainty" works? People keep saying that it counts as a "successful dodge" and triggers passives such as "second wind" but I can't seem to dodge anything when sprinting besides ranged fire, and even then it doesn't trigger any passives.

[fleet zealot]

we have some bad outfits yes, but we also have absolute holy drip

[hardy surge]

you just have bad taste

[pure shoal]

@bitter patio if my build had to pick between "thy wrath be swift" for stun immunity, and the "swift certainty" for the ranged immunity, which would you go to?

[crisp plaza]

Unless you’re into gimp fetishes

[dark zealot]

tanked 4 tox mines because the other zealot ran through em

[fleet zealot]

why tf you going scourge if you aren't going crit, or at least crit cdr

martyrdom is pointless without it's 2 supporting talents

[crisp plaza]

Sorry I’m not a leather daddy

[woeful oyster]

Its just my personal opinion but either the rashad or antax with thrust and headtaker do great in the fight, I didnt take my groll evis because its just too stationary, you gotta be mobile.

[sharp zodiac]

Winter reporting

[hardy surge]

TWBS easily beats Swift

[bitter patio]

Depends on how many points for each? I get both but I dont know your build. You can post it and people will give you better advice than I can give

[fleet zealot]

AND WHY the fuck would you go chorus wihtout any cdr talent

[pure shoal]

That was my impression.

[untold carbon]

I’m too lazy and much too poor to try for an antax or rashad atm

[fleet zealot]

that's an abomination and you should feel bad for making that build

[bitter patio]

Im not a carry aurics on my own kind of guy I just take care of the chaff and gunners/melee elites

[gray ice]

TWBS

[ornate bone]

Swift certainty works a bit different from its description

[faint marsh]

martyrdom is just a last resort health boost lol

don’t even need it often at all and if you have coherency like lol

[fleet zealot]

Swift only extends the sprinting at an angle immunity while at 0 stamina

TWBS is always active

[faint marsh]

just pick loner if you’re going to run martyrdom with it’s supporting imho

[ornate bone]

Apparently the game actually already gives you ranged immunity when running perpendicular or diagonal to the shooter

[fleet zealot]

TWBS>swift certainty

[ornate bone]

But you lose that at no stamina

[faint marsh]

i’m trolling btw

[woeful oyster]

I understand, I blew a million ordos trying to make a groll antax, luckily though I did make one

[ornate bone]

Swift certainty removes that condition and increases your sprint speed

[pure shoal]

And just while sliding in general, I think?

[ornate bone]

TWBS removes any sort of stagger on the player

[fleet zealot]

yea, and if you run out of stamina dodging fire, you are moving to a terrible posisition imo

[ornate bone]

Sliding is a different thing that has other conditions

[gray ice]

Marty is one of our most broken builds just so we're all clear

[olive raven]

Coherency does not benefit Zealots 99% of the time for toughness regen

[fleet zealot]

it isn't if some people aren't taking the 2 supporting talents

for attack speed and toughness DR

[bitter patio]

martyr involves giving up my toughness curios

[fleet zealot]

like wtf

[olive raven]

no

it doesnt really

[fleet zealot]

GET BACK HERE AND RECIEVE YOUR ROAST AND IMPROVE

[faint marsh]

coherency refills toughness for me in like 1.5 seconds lol

[olive raven]

if you are able to not skissue it on 2x wound

[fleet zealot]

why

don't build for toughness coherency on zealot

[olive raven]

Second Wind.

[fleet zealot]

we have better toughness regen options

[olive raven]

All I'll say 💀

[faint marsh]

curios

[olive raven]

do not

[fleet zealot]

waste of a perk

[olive raven]

put toughness regen on curios

If you are in melee, it doesnt apply

Hence sub-optimal

[gray ice]

You give up toughness curios, but with the stacking TDR you end up with more EHP

[fleet zealot]

hp, toughness, then gunner, corruption, fire

[fading vale]

coherency toughness doesn't work within 3m of an enemy

[fleet zealot]

or jsut go 15% toughness frrom perks

and get a more stable EHP and also not playing like a dweeb veteran

[olive raven]

Tough/HP and then whatever perk for curios

simple

[gray ice]

You do this anyway, regardless of build

[olive raven]

Recommended Gunner Res

[bitter patio]

I end up with more EHP with the curios because I get 15% of thoguhness back every second ignoring all the kills I rack up

[fleet zealot]

coherency regen is best on ogryn but that's cause they easily tkae chip damage cause of their large hitbox, they can't avoid fire

[faint marsh]

there’s not usually enemies within 3m when i’m playing lol. if you can bottleneck enemies correctly using the maps you’re always regenning toughness if you take one step back

also toughness regen on kills

[fading vale]

gunner resist on curios cause it's the only resist that actually regularly helps

[fleet zealot]

5% hp, 5% toughness, resistances

every time

[fleet zealot]

toughness regen perk only affects coherency

doesn't do anything for any other kind of toughness gain

[olive raven]

yea... toughness regen from kills is instant.

[woeful oyster]

I'm just sharing this for reference, but this is the build I used for the HM twins completion, its skill dependant though. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6adde1-3721-4bc3-bb37-8e3ced490b2a/auric-maelstrom-the-king-of-swing?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[fading vale]

are you playing the same game or just never meleeing

[bitter patio]

doesnt it also only give 2 toughness extra per kill? Seems like a waste when you could take bleed crits instead

[faint marsh]

mainly melee lol

[olive raven]

how the sweet christ are you playing zealot then?

[faint marsh]

bleed stacks goes crazy

[fleet zealot]

chastise, your ability, any talents that aren't also specifically "coherency" DO not get boosted by toughness regen perk

why tf you going scourge

[olive raven]

oh god.

[fleet zealot]

without going crit cdr

[fading vale]

mainly melee "not within 3 meters"

[fleet zealot]

or any cdr

and chorus WITH no cdr

[olive raven]

yea this is a wild statement

[fleet zealot]

like why take martyrdom at that point

[drowsy jackal]

toughness gain on kills and perks across all classes are flat percentages added onto your bar instead of 'regenning' iirc

[fading vale]

oh god they said bleed stacks after saying mainly melee

[fleet zealot]

jsut play HP or toughness curios

[gray ice]

My brain

[faint marsh]

ok brb time for my build to work in auric again for some reason

[fleet zealot]

i hope this doesn't hurt to read kindred

ok first

axe without Brutal momentum

stop it, get some help

[dark zealot]

brutal momentum?

[fleet zealot]

brauto is good, I prefer agri but that's just bias so that's fine

[strange kestrel]

i have never seen a zealot without at least 5 enemies on him

[fleet zealot]

toughness regen on curios IS BAD ON ZEALOT STOP IT

[bitter patio]

if you shoot everything you dont need brutal momentum

[fleet zealot]

then play veteran

so you aren't fucking your teams ammo econ

[bitter patio]

vet isnt fast enough

[dark zealot]

or play fake veteran (psyker)

[woeful oyster]

Big Damage, you shouldnt struggle with hacking throw trash mobs

[fleet zealot]

uhh, combat ability cdr isn't good

and niether is the cdr for hp loss talent

both are really bad

[bitter patio]

I need to go knife zealot, only pull it out to run faster, and use a shreder pistol to headshot all the maulers

[fleet zealot]

not taking toughness DR on martyrdom

[fading vale]

headshot maulers with an autopistol

[fleet zealot]

why tf you taking scourge off a crit build

[fading vale]

uh

[fleet zealot]

an antax has 1.08 cleave

gj

really hacking them out without BM

[woeful oyster]

all gas, gotta have the skills to pay the bills

[fleet zealot]

Don't GO scourge if you aren't going crit cdr fucking hell

[bitter patio]

its fine they die in like 2 mags

since Im faster I get all the ammo anyway

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

alright baby zealots

welcome to Amelia's Zealot school

[bitter patio]

I thought the vet not being fast enough would clue that in but then I got a tug on the maulers

so I had to go even deeper

[strange kestrel]

@slate geyser bro your build shreds

thank you

[olive raven]

never seen such an unironic gun zealot

[strange kestrel]

changed my view on zealot

[dark zealot]

but the bleed

[strange kestrel]

its so fun

[fleet zealot]

listen to my build advice, I can guarantee any 'feelings" of your terrible fucking builds are placebo at best

[fleet zealot]

wow

[fleet zealot]

WOW

so much bleed

[fading vale]

bleed from scourge does 0 damage

[fleet zealot]

instead of just

swinging again

[strange kestrel]

is this satire

[fading vale]

absolutely 0

[bitter patio]

not the bleed, the crits from the bleed, 30% crits

[fleet zealot]

add 1 stacks

[fleet zealot]

yes

[dark zealot]

(twas a joke)

[fleet zealot]

so,

1 bleed stack per swing

if you crit every swing

[dark zealot]

blood for the blood god and skulls for the golden throne

[bitter patio]

the alternative is 2 toughness on a kill

[ornate bone]

I think scourge was 2 stacks

[fleet zealot]

no it's shit, it's only purpose is to buff Crit cdr builds

[fleet zealot]

don't go either

[ornate bone]

But anyway, bleed is shit unless you have rending

[strange kestrel]

how important is first target on a crucis?

[bitter patio]

I dont care about the bleed I care about the 30% extra crit chance

[fading vale]

yes

[strange kestrel]

i assume 2nd most important stat after dmg

[untold carbon]

This is why I cross reference the builds I make with folks that actually know what they’re talking about, especially when it comes to zealot

[ornate bone]

Flesh tearer + uncanny makes for some funny light spam

[fleet zealot]

go something else, like martyrdom supporting talents

[drowsy jackal]

am baby zealot, does bleed just do jack-shit

[fleet zealot]

or if you are so addicted to scourge

[bitter patio]

I literally need second wind, it is the pillar holding up my entire playstyle

[ornate bone]

May all lacerate users get deported to Paraguay

[bitter patio]

without it I die

[fleet zealot]

AT LEAST GO CRIT CDR

GO BLAZING PIETY AND CRIT Cdr with scourge

[bitter patio]

I have backstab cdr, I get fury up before the buff is down

[fleet zealot]

and grab yourself a shred weapon or uncanny flesh tearer knife

[bitter patio]

I ltierally charge through the crowd then kill my way back

and its abck up

[drowsy jackal]

oh i saw the chart

[fleet zealot]

well you arne't the 2 builds i'm talking about

[drowsy jackal]

i see

[ornate bone]

DoTs do meh damage without rending, which is why combos like soulblaze and bleed with uncanny strike deal significantly more damage than just the DoT itself

[drowsy jackal]

oh okay

[gray ice]

It's really not particularly great, there's other ways to outright kill faster 99% of the time

[drowsy jackal]

does applying uncanny while your dot is out give it rending

that's crazy

[fleet zealot]

most mobs will die before you even reach those values

[fleet zealot]

yes

[bitter patio]

bleed bad, burn bad, dont know why people take infurnus on laspistols theyll be almost dead by the time burn even matters

[fleet zealot]

iirc DoTs calculate and update everything

[sharp zodiac]

Not sure what to put my final point on, was thinking something like duelist but would that work with a martyr (new) evisc build or would it just be pointless

[fading vale]

yeah infernus only does anything versus monstrosities

[fleet zealot]

switching weapons with different 25% damage perks, applies them to the dots

[untold carbon]

Yeah

[dark zealot]

its good on certain lasguns

or well was

[fleet zealot]

was

[coarse birch]

Its important enough i wouldn't go below 70

[fleet zealot]

on veteran

[untold carbon]

I like it a lot personally

[fleet zealot]

when their release talents had 2 rending talents that stacked infinitely

[bitter patio]

I literally did a test with 55% crit on a rager with a las pistol and it had 200 health by the time I was at max burn stacks, which is only like 200 some damage a tic

[drowsy jackal]

guessing it's done in real time as long as the buffs last then?

[fleet zealot]

but vet was weak 😔

[fleet zealot]

yes

[bitter patio]

and who the hell leaves a rager alive for a tic because you wnat the burn to work

[dark zealot]

didnt say pistol

[fleet zealot]

like, flesh tearer is the only thing I can tell people who are addicted to DoTs, cause hopefully they at least take it over lacerate

idk how to fix Mercy mains tho, their mindset is cancer

" But I wanna support and heal my team uwu"

[untold carbon]

Sometimes burn kills specials that run out of sight but yeah it’s only really good for bosses

[bitter patio]

arent crit weakpoint lasgun shots like 600 damage? it would be even worse for them

[fleet zealot]

one of the only good dots is two special kanty shells killing snipers and bulwarks

yea, deadly accurate on lasguns

[dark zealot]

the full auto lasguns one was good with burn

[fleet zealot]

and those guns suck

[bitter patio]

that makes sense

[fleet zealot]

they are the worst in the game

[bitter patio]

the full auto las gun has bad damage so the burn would help with it

not worth a blessing slot thoguh

[dark zealot]

had basically infinite ammo lol

[fleet zealot]

only the Vid hits any sort of relevance

[fleet zealot]

and wihtout double rending talents to cure all their weaknesses

[bitter patio]

so many guns have infinite ammo that thats not a selling point

[fleet zealot]

they need that infinite ammo

to kill anything, eventually

[drowsy jackal]

what is the resource you pulled those dot charts from

[fleet zealot]

not to mention infernus has a hard cap

[dark zealot]

now they suck

[fleet zealot]

pins

[dark zealot]

no infinite ammo

[drowsy jackal]

blind, thank you

[fleet zealot]

idk where the fire chart is

[dark zealot]

and worse damage

[fleet zealot]

infinite ammo dind't make them good even

it's double rending

[bitter patio]

fire has the same max dps so i could guess its the same

44 for crushers

[fleet zealot]

rending on continous hit and like, weakspot or crit hit i forgot

but those 2 talents together on recon lasgun was hilarious

[sharp zodiac]

I'll just run duelist with it and see how it goes, if anything I'll just change things up if things don't work out

[fleet zealot]

nerf gun

it's nerf or nothin

[delicate shadow]

it was onslaught for about 30%+ rending (I forget the specific number) and then headhunter for weakspot crits and infernus or smth yea

[fleet zealot]

headhunter, infernus, onslaught was one, but there was a 2nd one at the talent release patch

[delicate shadow]

but that's not doable now lol

or it's doable but not worth

[fleet zealot]

it's not

1 talent is hard capped pretty low

[bitter patio]

there are better versions of it

like graia braced

[fleet zealot]

and hte other only applies to melee

[delicate shadow]

I think it was just rending strikes being stronger at the time too

[ornate bone]

Vets using all their talent tree to make a bad weapon okay, but those same talents apply to good weapons too

[gray ice]

most fun I had playing vet tho

[delicate shadow]

just laspistol if you want to dunk shit with lasers yo

that shit is so fun and actually good

[gray ice]

recon lasgun shined for a time and it was fun

[royal vortex]

recon las
fun
ur not human

[fleet zealot]

now both are brittlenes,, not even rending

[bitter patio]

every time I see a recon gun its some controller guy making up for his inaccuracy with rate of fire but ends the match with 200k damage vs everyone elses 500k

[delicate shadow]

rending strikes is still rending but only 10%

[gray ice]

retreat back to your grotto lest I retrieve lights and smoke it out

[coarse birch]

Recon las was fun when it did something

[fleet zealot]

good, i hate recon las

[coarse birch]

For like that one week

[gray ice]

funny machine gun laser was a good time fite me

[fleet zealot]

only gun I ever saw a hacker use

[royal vortex]

i hope they continue to nerf recon

[fleet zealot]

i only saw one hacker, but he was pretty blatantly aimbotting

[drowsy steppe]

They took the fun from us

[coarse birch]

Why would you aimbot with recon of all guns

[gray ice]

I hope psword 6 gets nerfed to have one dodge and when you use it you trip

[coarse birch]

It doesnt even have recoil

Just point and shoot

[bitter patio]

recon las is a laser pointer, it doesnt do damage if makes them have seizures

[fleet zealot]

idk, I don't even find lasers fun, makes me feel like i'm in a gorier laser tag at the local arcade and mini golf

[delicate shadow]

that's cool but you didn't

[coarse birch]

Damn

[sharp zodiac]

Wow

[gray ice]

masterclass dunk

take notes lebron

[drowsy steppe]

Incan the zealot chat goat

[fleet zealot]

idk, it was just a random malice, I just thought he was a recon scrub until he was perfectly clearing horde and keeping head level, then 180'd to kill a bruiser coming behind him, and instantly 180'd back to resume blasting the horde

[dark zealot]

oh no a redditor

[royal vortex]

half the people who don't like it say this is how it works already

[coarse birch]

Darktide is certainly a game to choose to cheat on. Like hsword is right there

[fleet zealot]

at least proving my point youtube is a shit place for builds

[bitter patio]

maybe it was just a bot bot and not an aim bot

[fleet zealot]

no

it was a player

this was back during the "all bots had the prison starting uniforms"

[bitter patio]

oh no, but I love that set

[coarse birch]

Bro bot bots dont know how to fire there gun

[delicate shadow]

#zealot-class message

[gray ice]

we've been blessed with a new wave of misinformation and "it feels good so it must be good"

[minor sage]

precog or riposte on knife, what do you guys think

how hard is precog uptime to manage

[coarse birch]

Precog

[minor sage]

considering it's only 2s

[drowsy steppe]

Precog

[gray ice]

precog is up all the time, you're constantly dodging

[coarse birch]

Riposte is fine but your critting enough tbh

[royal vortex]

i hardly look at this chat anymore. i can't fkin take it lmao

[delicate shadow]

next someone is gonna tell me they were the reason for the original powersword nerf because of a popular clip

[bitter patio]

I had that issue until i got the scoreboard and realized Im actually doing bad and swapped things around

[drowsy steppe]

If you've played Dodge momentum. Precog is pretty easy to proc 24/7

[minor sage]

afaik it has to be a real dodge

[dark zealot]

just died so some real cheating BS

[minor sage]

not a fake dodge

[ornate bone]

Brother, I got a gun to get fixed in Remnant after breaking a boss with it

[minor sage]

no?

[gray ice]

ye same, I've been beaten into defeat mostly

[ornate bone]

Before that the devs were ignoring it entirely

[clear knot]

it really has become the zoo

[ornate bone]

I am an agent of change

I am a force of nature

[dark zealot]

somehow lost 150-200 toughness and 200 health in a second

[drowsy steppe]

Funny thing is. The Devs doesn't even read Reddit

[gray ice]

Yes, but like things are constantly attacking you. If you're dodging correctly precog has very good uptime

[gray ice]

Unfortunately this is not what many people do

[gray ice]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jojo-anime-cartoon-japanese-gif-7432836

[ornate bone]

I started warming up a bit to dodge stuff after binding my autoattack to the side buttonsa

[clear knot]

scoreboard also isnt a good benchmark fro a good or bad player typically. theres nuance to that. but yeah

[fleet zealot]

true, it was before the sept sis drama

[drowsy steppe]

Fatshark CMs aren't game devs lil bro

[ornate bone]

Because I don't have the muscle memory to block push from that

[idle coyote]

thoughts ?

[sharp zodiac]

That'd be funny

[fleet zealot]

which is what made fatshark distance itself from reddit even more

[ornate bone]

But normally I block push a lot and would get shit mileage out of dodge stuff

[delicate shadow]

like FS doesn't nerf shit based on individual clips unless it's a bug report type of deal lmao

they have telemetry, feedback channels and other tools to inform patch choices, a single le epic reddit clip doesn't shape a non-bug related balance change

it was already known about for ages

[drowsy jackal]

what's the meta picks for crit cdr nowadays

guessing its new evis + mk 3 knife

[gray ice]

crit cdr can be used with basically anything

[coarse birch]

You mean me yelling at them in DMs about vet skill tree didnt help??

[delicate shadow]

whatever you like more or less but anything with good crit damage is what you want, so knives, dclaws

shit like that

[gray ice]

we get most of our crit from tree not weapon

[proud jackal]

"the scorebored doesn't lie" - the pug who raged after team wipe 😂

[drowsy jackal]

ill probably do knife for quick swings and being a goblin

thank u folks

[drowsy steppe]

You just didn't CAPSLOCK TYPING hard enough

[coarse birch]

Shit my b guys

Could have gotten it fixed faster

[minor sage]

which one are you more partial to: fury knife or momentum knife

[sharp zodiac]

You've failed the emperor

[fleet zealot]

i need to harass the CMs more about making the gore on chain axe good /j

[gray ice]

"the scorebored doesn't lie"

Me after using knife and confirming that it is indeed trash and annoying to use to me

[coarse birch]

Momentum knife is pog

Ik hech vouches for it too

[sharp zodiac]

What Keystone would work best with the heavy sword if thee may digress

[gray ice]

I'd probably go for momentum, but I'm not much of a knifer for sure

[proud jackal]

momentum or martyrdom

[gray ice]

any of them really. I'm partial to marty because I can then destroy entire crowds of elites but it's good with all of em. would recommend marty or momentum

[clear knot]

new knife isnt bad, just dont use it like a knifezealot

[coarse birch]

Anything but if you really like crit cdr it works with piety well due to high Cleave

[sharp zodiac]

I'll try both

[sour stirrup]

Mk VII Devil's Claw any good? this is in my requisitions

[proud jackal]

BP works well enough as well, but if you're using BP you may as well use Dclaw

[valid garden]

hey lads, I've asked this before and was wondering if anything's changed/the answer is more clear, what is the best for the flamer? I know blaze away is good, but what about the remaining blessing and perks?

[delicate shadow]

that's a very good base yeah, though I find the VII's moveset more awkward than the other variants

[sharp zodiac]

That is one of my builds as we speak actually

Just gotten bored of thee

[coarse birch]

Yeah its fine you just dont get the overhead heavy first

[bitter patio]

the end scores dont line up properly yes but seeing the total kills, your damage, damage taken, ect will tell you waht certain weapons are good at and stuff. Like I get 40%+ chaff kills with the rachad pretty much every game in auric because I just one shot 4+ per swing but I get way less with the dclaw but take way less damage. I kind of want to try a martyr build with it because its only issue is the low damage do 42% more damage should be really helpful on it

[gray ice]

funny marty hsword

[sour stirrup]

unfortunate, I'll still pick it up and try it out, ty

[coarse birch]

Im always impressed people can play with music

I need to hear them audio cues

At least on like auric

[drowsy steppe]

Flak and elites. 2nd blessing is. Well the best one currently is hard to come to a conclusion. With Over pressure still bugged. It should be the blessing that makes elites and specials having a chance to explode on kill

[delicate shadow]

yeah give it a go, you might like it more than I did, the movesets on weapons are (typically) personal preference

[royal vortex]

flak + ba is all you really need. second perk probably carapace for crusher chastise, overpressure doesn't work on DoT currently so second blessing is w/e

[valid garden]

showstopper, I see. I've heard that showstopper is kind of shit from some, and that it's good from others

[sour stirrup]

what would I be looking for if I was to upgrade it?

[valid garden]

quickflame, right

[gray ice]

I still hear em. I don't turn it up loud enough it drowns stuff out. But honestly with special cues not playing a 1/3rd of the time now anyway it's not even that bad

[delicate shadow]

savage sweep and rampage (shred if you want a crit build)

flak/maniac for perks, the usual

[coarse birch]

Lol fair. Maybe i just listen to stuff too loud

[drowsy steppe]

Flamer 2nd blessing is whatever suits your fancy if you can't decide on what it's best between trash and trash

🙂

[coarse birch]

Quickflame is bugged tho dont run that

[gray ice]

honestly I know everyone's turned on overpressure now but seeing as how it's always been that way I might as well keep running it

[broken token]

buy?

[visual stream]

Good chaxe from milk store?

[coarse birch]

Unless this patch fixed it

[gray ice]

still the only 2nd blessing that gives dmg

[visual stream]

Dunno what blessings are good for it but those look solid

[coarse birch]

Wasnt it always BA/Overpressure

[sharp zodiac]

Got two points left just like before, any talents ye recommend and I can mark thee off as already got

[idle coyote]

what do I do with the Blessings ?

[drowsy steppe]

I have an over pressure flamer because it's locked and the fact I've had it for months

We do it for the memes

[coarse birch]

I never run flamer anyway

But its not bad

[north sedge]

today was the first time i've used flamer in one million years

[clear knot]

Overpressure never actually worked according to @gray ice

[sharp zodiac]

If the flamer's flames were like the fire pre fix I'd use it for the funi

[clear knot]

Iirc

[coarse birch]

Vin just vouched for it didnt he

[clear knot]

Unless it works now

[sterile schooner]

Question, is there a way to see the damage spread of special attacks on chain / power / force weapons? The in-game damage chart just has it for normal lights and heavies, and when you click on special it just vaguely says 'improves the attack'

[coarse birch]

Ik quickflame was the bugged one

[sharp zodiac]

I'd change momentum to rampage imo, or at least one of them to

[coarse birch]

^

[past blade]

can never go wrong with rampage instead of momentum if you feel that you're good enough at surviving without it

[coarse birch]

Momentum to rampage for me

[gray ice]

No so what I mean is

[north sedge]

switch rampage on there. keep momentum if you're feeling like you need the toughness, bloodthirsty will be more dmg if you're revving a bunch of elites. your choice

[idle coyote]

OK thnkay ou!

[gray ice]

Overpressure never worked for the dot dmg, we just thought it did back then

[visual stream]

I have purchased, what perks should I change to?

[dark zealot]

had a useless psyker

[coarse birch]

Flak/maniac

For that chain axe

[clear knot]

ty, for re-iterating

[gray ice]

so really we just found out recently, but it always worked for only the direct dmg

[gray ice]

yuhh np

[coarse birch]

I think part of the reason i don't like flamer now is i HATED old flamer pre nerfs

Shit was mad annoying to be on a team with when i was ass lol

Felt like i never got to do anything

Course i was on like malice back then

[north sedge]

it's strong, just kinda niche

[gray ice]

flamer is fun but good for certain things, other stuff is just generally more useful

hardest hit to flamer is honestly kant releasing cuz that shit practically felt like it made it obsolete

[drowsy steppe]

I remember the days when Flamer was so strong games legitimately became boring

[gray ice]

yep

[noble bloom]

Hi!how do you make join button in lfg?

[drowsy steppe]

That felt like a fucking fever dream

[past blade]

flamer is still pretty fucking good

[coarse birch]

Yeah this is why i hated it

[rough galleon]

Man kant is so good
Here is at minimum
just a reduce total health of an encounter button

[gray ice]

yea we aren't saying it's not still good, there was just a time when flamer was a fuckin demi-god in the meta

[coarse birch]

2 flamer zealots put me to sleep

[exotic portal]

Rough

[past blade]

I still melt bosses on damnation with it of course it's not busted like before

but it never needed that much strength

[sharp zodiac]

Looking for a new heavy sword cause I'm not a fan of the damage on my current, whad ye recommend in stat priority

[delicate shadow]

OG autopistol lmao

(well OG overpowered autopistol, not release autopistol)

[gray ice]

Damage/first target

[drowsy steppe]

I distinctively remember when I pub to a 3 flamer zealots. And all I did was just chill back and just let em cook, literally.

[coarse birch]

Damage/first target/

[sharp zodiac]

Got it

[rough galleon]

Lacerate bug

[coarse birch]

Cleave stuff too if you manage to roll it

But i think that's less important

[gray ice]

If you watched my clip, you want 80/78 for dmg first target and that will allow you to one shot dreg ragers

I believe you can also do it with like 76% dmg and 80% first target

[sharp zodiac]

I did but discord pushed it out thee wee before I could watch thy rest

[gray ice]

this is specific to the 6 which is my favorite

[coarse birch]

Chastise ofc makes this more leniant

Is that without +maniac

Ik base hsword maniac damage is insane

[delicate shadow]

mk6 gang

[gray ice]

with

[candid nest]

That sounds like a blast

[sharp zodiac]

Something like this or better (I wish the perk was better but I'll have to run it through Hadron if worthwhile)

[gray ice]

but you don't need anything else

[hidden nacelle]

mk6 gang

[coarse birch]

Thats good

[gray ice]

so it makes it extremely lenient in terms of build

[coarse birch]

Carapace isnt

But stats are good

[sharp zodiac]

Hadron time

[drowsy steppe]

That's a good épée lourde

[royal vortex]

im so glad this shit isnt in the game anymore

[sharp zodiac]

I think we're off to a good start

[coarse birch]

I think we all are

[sturdy cypress]

spicy

[delicate shadow]

seeing a big falchion get called an epee confuses me greatly because I am so not used to it referring to anything but a fencing epee

[drowsy steppe]

It means Sword

[delicate shadow]

yea ik

but like, in english most people mean epee to mean a fencing epee

[drowsy steppe]

SHEESH

[royal vortex]

haha u said pee

[gray ice]

yea

[drowsy steppe]

[delicate shadow]

like dis

[sharp zodiac]

Nevermind

[gray ice]

never heard anything else but a fencing epee called an epee

[exotic portal]

Some stiff pants for vet cosmetics

[bitter patio]

isnt that like, the perfect zealot weapon? You can get near perfect crit rates from melee then just unload 5 bullets before the buffs wear off

[exotic portal]

Would be a shame if a zealot ran em in

[coarse birch]

Thats not bad

[drowsy steppe]

Aint that a Rapier

[coarse birch]

Rampage is good

[delicate shadow]

nah

[coarse birch]

Is that deathblow

[sturdy cypress]

probably

[coarse birch]

I forget its icon

[royal vortex]

that is deathblow

[sturdy cypress]

some people think the ads revolver is better

[coarse birch]

Ok yeah your fine then

[sturdy cypress]

it is, functionally, however

[gray ice]

It's honestly fine, rampage/deathblow is cool

[sharp zodiac]

Gonna run another one rq just for the case

[coarse birch]

Just swap perks

[sturdy cypress]

you can neither be rootin' nor tootin' with the ads revolver

[coarse birch]

Rampage/deathblow is like bis on mk 9

[gray ice]

You do want headtaker in the longrun, but that one would be just fine if you don't have one yet

[coarse birch]

Yeah headtaker is better

[bitter patio]

which is what I use becasue i only even pull it out to squick kill specials, but if you have a weapon that cant do anything to say ragers or maulers like a dclaw, that would ravage a horde real quick and even the field

[coarse birch]

But id change both perks over rampage to headtaker personally

[drowsy steppe]

It is the better option

[coarse birch]

Does deathblow work on mk6 i forget its moveset

[sharp zodiac]

I'll do that

[delicate shadow]

rapiers typically still have edges, though sword terminology is kinda like gun related colloqialisms and such where it's not really set in stone and tends to be nebulous with edge cases

[gray ice]

yuh the clip you watched was mk6 with db

[dark zealot]

hard mode as gunner psyker and 3 bots

[drowsy steppe]

I run the fan Revolver because I enjoy using it. And it's not a total trash weapon to disregard

[gray ice]

you need to get used to how to aim it, but you can still kill 4 ragers in one heavy

[dark zealot]

what

[coarse birch]

Ok i forgot if it had a horizontal heavy

[sharp zodiac]

Should I just stick to the the other one I posted instead of this one I just tried to gamble my luck on

[coarse birch]

Or at least diagonal

[fleet zealot]

samd

[gray ice]

it kinda is. The heavy is like a U shape

[delicate shadow]

like the concept of a "scimitar" refers to a wide range of different curved blades y'know, and the term itself is western in origin unlike the actual blades they refer too. So yeah, not an exact science by any means

[winter sorrel]

Sorry to bother yet again but what’s y’all’s opinion on this sword?

[drowsy steppe]

The cleave damage stat is not too low

[delicate shadow]

ver solid

[stable wing]

Anything I can do to fix up this Eviserator?

[drowsy steppe]

It's kinda important but I guess you can make it up with the headtaker blessing

[delicate shadow]

try get headtaker on it if you can

[copper hawk]

get rid of bloodletter

replace it w like

[gray ice]

little less enemies you can kinda see the heavies here

[coarse birch]

Word ive been using mk7 cause i got a good one lol havent rolled a better mk yet

[copper hawk]

idk shred or rampage

[sharp zodiac]

I'll just test both rq

[drowsy steppe]

yea

so

[royal vortex]

only sick bastards play marty zealot

[hollow ember]

is this ability any good for relic? does it give substantial cdr through toughness?