zealot-class

[tight fog]

hard mode

[dark zealot]

that is what i can get behind

[spice wren]

They're both good, but they're both doing different jobs.

[ripe quest]

For Twins the Crucis. It's not a massive difference between the two though.

[placid fiber]

ironhelm is lazier, of the two thammers

[spice wren]

You don't use the quickdraw revolver to snipe.

[placid fiber]

it answers more questions with the same answer

[tame valley]

there we go, rolled a 378 base hammer

lets try again

[grizzled aspen]

hey buddy, gimme that

[dark zealot]

so what are people using to beat the bosses?

[spark raven]

Anyone wane Team up for the Twins on damnation?

[tame valley]

NO!

[minor sage]

Ive made the new revolver on all classes but i think the only build I'm happy with is the vet one

[steel agate]

i like chunking shield phase with chainaxe

[tame valley]

It's so good

that chainsword, you hit one cleave

[minor sage]

New revolver needs the vet talents to hit reasonable BPs

[dark zealot]

i find fighting the ranged guy easier but my team keep dying to the sword one and stuff like ragers

[tame valley]

and then you just murder an entire horde

[tame valley]

Oh yeah, rinda's the harder of the two considering the shooty boy can be nullified entirely by spacial awareness and timing

[steel agate]

funfact turns out the ranged twin takes more damage to melee and the melee twin takes more to ranged

[minor sage]

You need the 30% weakspot, deadeye, and 15% elites for the it to feel good

[placid fiber]

Ironhelm answers more questions with: charged heavy 1/2

[steel agate]

its pretty crazy

[fading vale]

yeah it just doesn't really kill more than 2 things in a mag unless it's a low health special

[tame valley]

Only on shields

[steel agate]

oh ya right

[dark zealot]

once it clicked he's just a sniper it became very easy

[steel agate]

my fault for leaving that out

[tame valley]

Btw,

[placid fiber]

in fact... I basically only use the charged heavy 1/2 on the ironhelm lol

[tame valley]

do the chainsword blessings carry to eviscerator

[placid fiber]

no

[grizzled aspen]

no

[steel agate]

nuh uh, same weapon type needed

[tame valley]

so it doesnt work like the 3 oggy clubs

[minor sage]

Try it out with vet talents, its actually pretty respectable

[tame valley]

thats sad

[grizzled aspen]

blessings carry to the same type of weapon

[placid fiber]

eviscerator is a different weapon alltogether

[tame valley]

i see

[grizzled aspen]

1 handed chainswords and eviscerators are different weapon classes

[minor sage]

Also with the 30% reload speed on kill, you dont really need that

[dark zealot]

its the suffix(?) that matters

[minor sage]

You can just reload and keep killing

[tame valley]

take 3

[fading vale]

my vet is still level 13 lol

[small kernel]

a question, does breaking either twins voidshield spawn elites in hardmode or does the elites just spawn in periodic timings

[placid fiber]

that's a nice crucis

[minor sage]

I dont like the new revolver on zealot or psyker lol

[grizzled aspen]

crit chance perk be upon ye

[tame valley]

... it has a useful blessing

[placid fiber]

You want thrust and slaughterer, and flak/unyielding

[minor sage]

The lower base dmg is too brutal

[signal prism]

I tried it for a few games on vet, still didn't like it

[placid fiber]

hammerblow to slaughterer, stamina to unyielding

[minor sage]

Level up your vet ya nimwit

[signal prism]

It's accuracy killed it for me

[spark raven]

What Perks do i want on a Knife

[fading vale]

and the suppression feels wrong, and also not shooting through teammates

[tame valley]

I had one with 2 points lower

[minor sage]

You need suppression immunity and deadshot to fix it

[tame valley]

and this is how it turned out

[placid fiber]

That one sucks ass

[minor sage]

From vet

[ornate bone]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnought-warhammer40k-gif-25685328

[signal prism]

I was running those

[minor sage]

Maybe skissue

[signal prism]

It still felt bad to use

[placid fiber]

If only thunderous was useful on thammers...

[dark zealot]

this is the funny evis i was using before patch 13 (i think... the knives became like crack to me)

[tame valley]

I don't have slaughterer sadly

[placid fiber]

headtaker?

[dark zealot]

the funni non bleed knife

[tame valley]

I got a thrust 4 tho

[placid fiber]

Headtaker works as well

I mean... it will have a useless blessing sadly 😦

t4 thrust is the wanted thing

[tame valley]

Oh hey

headtaker 4

[placid fiber]

What I do is get one with a t3 slaughterer 1st blessing

[placid fiber]

then throw t4 thrust on it

[tame valley]

it could work.

[buoyant pecan]

I have heard that you guys are some unteachable fucks

[placid fiber]

headtaker is more viable on the crucis tho... right Lazorr?

[tame valley]

shock and awe's gotta go

[fading vale]

the 1 instance I might keep weak spot

[dark zealot]

what would be better for the bosses a back stab knife or bleed knife?

[tame valley]

right

specialist to unyielding

shock to what

[fading vale]

either is fine

[fading vale]

thrust is required

[tame valley]

I got that

i for once agree

this burnt 5000 plasteel to get to

[fading vale]

that will do until you fine one with a better perk slot, if you find one

[tame valley]

good enough is good for me

perfect is gonna make me go insane

[minor sage]

good stopping point tbh

[tame valley]

besides

[minor sage]

3-line weapon is a good place to stop

[tame valley]

this is what i usually use

I'm just using a thammer specifically for the Twins

[minor sage]

4-line weapon will take like 15 million ordos and like 20k plasteel to make prob

look at lazz

[spark raven]

What Perks on a Knife?

[minor sage]

he basically went broke

making a good weapon

now his vet is level 13

[tame valley]

Meanwhile, me, godrolling my vet's plasmasword first try

[fading vale]

I'm still making hammers

[opaque island]

im guessing 4-line is talking about the stat modifiers being distributed right?

[tame valley]

Not even going to lie i havent modified it yet

let me show you

[opaque island]

what do you mean by a 4-line

[minor sage]

2 perks and 2 blessings you want lol

3 line is 3 that you want, 1 you dont want

[opaque island]

i got it now

[minor sage]

2-line is 2-crafted, and 2 you dont want.

entry-level, mid, and BiS

[maiden path]

hello chat

[ripe quest]

Bro was like, naw x/5 is bad I'll make my own system

[tame valley]

Like. This is the luck i work with

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-bros-mario-hammer-brother-super-mario-hammer-gif-26681965

[maiden path]

is new class out

[tame valley]

This is the luck i work with, lads.

[minor sage]

i dont think it's really worth going for BiS by the way

[tame valley]

I got this first try going for a proper power sword

[dark zealot]

so for chain axe 20% flak is good enough?

[minor sage]

it's like

full RNG

[ripe quest]

That's fine yeah

[minor sage]

unless you LOVE the weapon

[tame valley]

chain axe will murder any flak specialist you hit with with that

so yeah

it'll oneshot shotgunners, trappers, that sort

[minor sage]

unless you love the weapon like laz loves hammers, I would stop at 3-line

[tame valley]

with the thing

[fading vale]

meanwhile hammer takes like 4-5 lights to kill a trapper

[dark zealot]

now i have to hope the next 2/3 lines be good

[ripe quest]

That guy that light spammed crushers because he hated using the special attack on Thammer

[true chasm]

whats a good start to get into the zealot class ?? where to put my talant points ?? and weapons to use ??

[tame valley]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-21852548

[dark zealot]

well back to trying beat damnation twins

[fleet zealot]

aahhaha greathammer moment

[minor sage]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835247685836853

[fleet zealot]

some people just can't adapt

[fading vale]

why would you use a hammer if not for the bonk

[dark zealot]

3 zealots and pysker

[fleet zealot]

probably played too much of the hammer in vt2

[tame valley]

I need to rework his beard

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cucuso-trippy-psychedelic-psychedelicguy-crazy-gif-12507069

[dark zealot]

magic boi left

[tame valley]

maybe a trip to Krall's in order

[fleet zealot]

it's like the people running stam+ block efficiency cause they were vt2 addicts

[tame valley]

^

[untold carbon]

I may have been failing to overcome the hard mode twins for the past 8 hours but I have been having a shit ton of fun

[tame valley]

what works well in fantasy does not nessecerily translate well to 40k

[ripe quest]

Just about any melee weapon, I'd be wary of Knife and Taxe since they require an experienced touch to perform well. Plenty of builds are available in the builds thread, my recommendation is to just pick the core talents (coherency, blitz, etc) that you want and look at what you can get from there.

[tame valley]

just look at the squats

[dark zealot]

HUH?

[fleet zealot]

when DT has way more toughness/block breakers, not to mention actual ranged enemies

[fading vale]

panic setting in as soon as I see a players with Saltz in their name

[clear knot]

ew whites

[small kernel]

anyone knows? if they dont spawn on shield break, i am just going to break shields during heavy elite phase to stun them a bit

[ripe quest]

This guy does laundry the old fashioned way.

[dark zealot]

think they mean my bolter

[clear knot]

i do?

[dark zealot]

but im not using it

[mental coral]

I mean theres a couple decent saltz players

[tame valley]

it's a little cramped in the dropship

[fading vale]

not ones in darktide

[ripe quest]

many fast bonk no big just bonk

[north sedge]

its interesting to me that there's so many saltzpyres when kerillian was so dominant in numbers when i was actively playing vt2

[mental coral]

rly? I found saltz players are decently good or rly bad

[tame valley]

bardin engineers with the friendly fire:

[fading vale]

I've seen maybe 1 or 2 that were solid

[ripe quest]

Nobody admits to playing Kerillian until you get into a lobby with one.

[fading vale]

the rest were floor knifers

[small kernel]

hey thats not even 1 dmg, you get so much thp it doesnt matter

[mental coral]

I play kerillian

uh

[fleet zealot]

Sister or VT2 names are red flags

[mental coral]

whats the class again

hand maiden

[ripe quest]

the darktide class

[fleet zealot]

Seeing a female zealot With Sister-Name

is a coinflip

[untold carbon]

Don’t forget white hair

[fading vale]

but why, I really don't understand, shouldn't they have experience already

[ripe quest]

If the coin lands on its side it's Sister Sept.

[mental coral]

are gold masks still a red flag?

was it gold masks or skull masks

idr

[dark zealot]

i like the black skull mask

[fleet zealot]

DT is a different game from VT2

if you go back and play vt2 you will feel it

[fading vale]

skull masks and especially gold skull masks

[sharp zodiac]

It definitely is

[fleet zealot]

if a good vt2 player adjusts yes, they have an advantage and are good

[sharp zodiac]

Especially comparing the difficulties

[fleet zealot]

but if they are stubborn/stupid, they don't adjust for the new mechanics/gameplay

and just suck ass

[ripe quest]

idk I got absurdly better at solo runs in V2 after playing a lot of Darktide.

[fading vale]

I didn't play VT2 but played like 5 games after binging DT and it just felt like archaic DT

[north sedge]

the only acceptable skull mask is the krieg one, looks wise, all the other skull masks are the mark of a bad time coming

[spice wren]

Wait I just realized dude

the 380 already has pinning

[ripe quest]

My Hsword martyr build uses the gold skull mask.

[mental coral]

I played the free week of vermintide but also played chivalry and mordhau before that for what its worth

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[spice wren]

What do I put on this for the other blessing.

[royal vortex]

@frank night i faltered

[delicate needle]

shattering

[north sedge]

we lost a valuable member of this channel today....

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[delicate needle]

brittleness is a bit goated

[ripe quest]

I'm gonna make a blessing guide that requires specific cosmetics to use and I will reference every launch guide currently still up.

[fleet zealot]

brittleness isn't goated

[royal vortex]

swap both perks

[fading vale]

does shattering still max stacks after 2 shots

[fleet zealot]

it's just the only reliable damage blessing after pinning fire

[north sedge]

"knife: skull mask only, regardless of setup"

[spice wren]

Too late.

[fading vale]

surgical is solid but more vet oriented

[fleet zealot]

it's like saying hammerblow is goated

[ripe quest]

Afaik it still caps at 16 stacks.

idk if it does 8 per shot though

It might

[fading vale]

right but surgical says 4 now right

err always

shattering

fuck

[ripe quest]

mmm I'll check.

[delicate needle]

only worthwhile perks to replace it with are either surgical or shattering

[ripe quest]

ik thunderous is 16 stacks

[delicate needle]

can go either way, but if you arent' utilziing surgical its' wasted

[fading vale]

if it is 4 new brittleness stacks, that is super ass

[untold carbon]

Mfw 8 maulers, 5 ragers and 2 crushers pull up when fighting the hard mode twins

[royal vortex]

i would run cavalcade/pf on bolter if i still used one

[delicate needle]

cavalcade reaches max stacks pretty quick but idk how sick the crit damage bonus is on bolter

[fading vale]

bolter finesse is solid now

so crit is worth

[royal vortex]

shattering is only for killing crushers if you don't have chastise, otherwise it's a completely useless blessing on any other target in any other context

[hoary owl]

I feel like making the twins no longer exist, what perks?

[royal vortex]

crits on bolter are good yeah

[royal vortex]

a rashad tbh. thammer doesn't do great boss damage vs twins because they're not unyielding

[ornate bone]

Hi, what can i do on this weapon ? Do have i to switch Last blessing and the realoding perk ?
I'm french sorry 😄

[topaz trellis]

anyone know the bell trick on the karnak twins mission?

how many times do i have to hit it

[royal vortex]

that's also a fairly unfortunate roll since u definitely want 4/4 for ironhelm

[spice wren]

I dont use chastise.

[fading vale]

both of these blessings are bad, you want no respite and full bore

[spice wren]

I use Chorus

[delicate needle]

oh god i dont speak frog

😭

[ornate bone]

OK thanks

Do i have to keep it and switch blessings ?

[hoary owl]

Well, shit, I don't think I've ever messed around with combat axes

[royal vortex]

😔

[fading vale]

maniac is fine, so you will just be missing 1 perk

[ornate bone]

@delicate needle i struggle to speak english 🤣

[royal vortex]

for ironhelm in general you want unyielding + elites and thrust + slaught (preferred) or headtaker

[delicate needle]

yeah. what are the perks in english?

hit n run and barrage are fairly useless imo

so anything to chang ethose

[royal vortex]

if you're fighting twins you could do unarmored/elites (if running hard mode)

since they take -100% hs damage and have carapace heads u wanna go for bodyshots

[ornate bone]

Thanks !

[delicate needle]

8.5% increase in reload on a shotgun isnt actually that bad ngl

[fading vale]

I wonder what rechargement and maniaques could possibly be

[delicate needle]

im assuming thats what it means

[delicate needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841879315104399410/1168317829683105904/ezgif.com-gif-maker_1.gif?ex=655153c4&is=653edec4&hm=1e9bea905b43d2682be6f4318cd9cc5c4bf00eeda6bae4bec13702a43f8e859e&

[hoary owl]

Interesting, and if I did make a Rashad?

[ornate bone]

Lucky but unlucky

[royal vortex]

flak/maniac + headtaker (preferred) or decimator and BM

for this fight u could do flak/carapace

since all the elites are scabs, so flak ragers + maulers + crushers + shotgunners

[ripe quest]

4 per shot.

[spark raven]

What perks would i put on a knife?

[delicate needle]

also has anyone found out a good build for the twins yet? i'm getting some success with the new evis for and shotgun to melt the melee twin

[fading vale]

oh god, that's so bad now

[delicate needle]

go crazy, go stupid aaah

bleed is funny on knives imo

[fading vale]

so it takes 4 shots to reach max brittleness

instead of 2

so basically shattering is useless

[delicate needle]

actually tragic

[royal vortex]

i did it with this

[fading vale]

that's not gonna hit like, any meaningful breakpoints

[royal vortex]

kant + rashad and 3 hp curios with corruption res

[delicate needle]

interesting, not relic to stagger the twins and replenish toughness?

[royal vortex]

i never used a med stim on myself

[hoary owl]

I will say this is close enough then.

[delicate needle]

corruption seems a must to survive exposure

[royal vortex]

relic is only worth it if you have crit cdr

it's also not staggering twins if the shields are up

[ripe quest]

From what I understand it's the same as it's always been.

[delicate needle]

idk if this is true

i manage to stagger them

[fading vale]

it used to max it in 2 shots

afaik

[delicate needle]

i wonder if stagger increases closer u get tho

and they are unaffected if too far

[royal vortex]

it is definitely true you have never been able to stagger an assassination target boss with a void shield up

[ripe quest]

Was it? Swear it was always 4 per stack. I'll check in a minute

[delicate needle]

when i rush the twins at the start and relic, it staggers them

[fading vale]

I don't think brittleness was always 2.5% per stack

I swear it used to be 5%

[delicate needle]

granted it's every other pulse, like monstrosities

[dark zealot]

team folds at round 2 of the fight

[royal vortex]

it was 5% before

t3 shattering is 7.5% brittleness according to debuff indicator

[rough vault]

Veuillez utiliser votre bouton de capture d’écran, la valeur par défaut est F12

[royal vortex]

lmfao this is so fucked

wow that's awful

[delicate needle]

real, the elite and special horde is too much

[clear notch]

https://vxtwitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1735090994025001168?s=20

[delicate needle]

also idk if many people realize that the melee twin takes a lot of damage from ranged

[dark zealot]

well with the relic i couldnt revive them

[delicate needle]

i can melt her by myself with a full shotgun and full bore

[ornate bone]

HOLY SHIT WHAT AN ADORABLE KOALA

[dark zealot]

and i sure as hell am not fightng a 2v1 with them

[untold carbon]

That’s a Wombat

[fading vale]

Koala?

[dark zealot]

no its a hedgehog

[spark raven]

God i need more friends to play with Randos just get frustating sometimes

[delicate needle]

feels like you REALLY need a revive shout vet and an aggro ogryn to succeed at the least

[ornate bone]

propaganda

[delicate needle]

otherwise its just overwhelming

[dark zealot]

well normally the assanination bosses have damage reduction against ranged so its kinda pointless is it not?

[clear notch]

it says wombat right there

[ornate bone]

lies

slander

[clear notch]

baby wombat

[delicate needle]

normally yeah, but i think the twins shields are weak to their inverse

[ornate bone]

baby koala

[untold carbon]

Fun fact, Wombat poop is cube shaped

[delicate needle]

melee twin shield is weak to ranged and vice versa

[clear notch]

koalas are thiner

thinner

[dark zealot]

makes sense, she is very hard to even close get enough to land a hit without her dashing or doing a sweep attack

[royal vortex]

twin shields still take 2x melee damage by default

[ripe quest]

It's always been 4 stacks per shot. Used to be 5% per stack with 8 max stacks. Was changed to 16 stacks of 2.5% with the Class Overhaul on Oct 3rd.

[fleet zealot]

the shields do

the bodies are flak

[fading vale]

yeah, that sounds right then

[royal vortex]

rinda takes 1x ranged damage to the shield, rodin 3x melee damage to his shield

[fleet zealot]

but also the twins have different mechanics i dont know the exact

[fading vale]

so silent nerf to shattering impact

[royal vortex]

it's still better to melee em

[dark zealot]

fun fact, koala piss carries an STD

[rough vault]

@royal vortex have u done orthus hard mode yet

[delicate needle]

oh nice

[royal vortex]

other brittleness blessings got their stack counts increased (can opener, thunderous iirc?)

[fleet zealot]

yea rodin is a pushover

first to die every run

[delicate needle]

still hard to get melees in on rinda esp on hard mode when she attacks REAL fast

[ripe quest]

Chaxe my beloved obliterating their shields.

[royal vortex]

yes

[fading vale]

I can no longer agree with anyone that shattering is a viable choice

[rough vault]

So pro so pro good for u

[royal vortex]

thanks Fred

[delicate needle]

grats

shit is HARD

[untold carbon]

I’ve gotten really close on hard a few times

[rough vault]

I need to find a team to carry me im ripping out my hair with pubs

I finally got damn last night after 4 hours but barely grazed hard mode

[deft garnet]

But thats the point of playing pugs solo

Malding by yourself

[polar nexus]

i did it yesterday but nobody cared 😦

[ripe quest]

Much like Thunderous on Chaxe in a kinda funny way Shattering Impact is only for Carapace.

[delicate needle]

i need to stop playing pubs bc some of them havent even beaten normal twins

need to call up my friends fr

[royal vortex]

it takes a decent bit of learning

the hard mode is a big step up from the normal mode

[deft garnet]

Ye

[royal vortex]

(more cancer)

[dark zealot]

i can handle the ranged boi with my knife

[royal vortex]

u have to fkin dogpile rodin

[dark zealot]

i just need people who dont fold against the sword lass and the specials

[royal vortex]

he must go first

[deft garnet]

Just bring thammer and ignore the silly barrier

[untold carbon]

I learned a lot from getting rolled by them on hard for 8 hours, killed gun guy a few times and got sword bitch to half

[rough vault]

Absolutely the jump is huge

[delicate needle]

whoever's aggro'd by rinda just needs to focus on dodging and blocking and getting in the occasional light

[opaque island]

hard mode is actual ball busting difficult

[delicate needle]

properly hard

[rough vault]

Was trying only got aboyt halfway with the two pubs ive managed to hard mode so far

[ripe quest]

Just Chaxe them for even more damage than Thammer

beeg

[polar nexus]

we did it with 2 taxes and one bolter

fuck meta

[opaque island]

once you get one down its pretty much game

[dark zealot]

the problem is if i be the meatshield they wont deal with mr plasma pistol

[untold carbon]

What talent setup do you want with chainaxe for the twins?

[opaque island]

cause they're also dealing with ragers crushers and etc just like you

its chaotic fight

[royal vortex]

if u can get half way u can beat em

i had multiple runs end because we took 5 secs too long in the fog and everyone went to 1 hp

[opaque island]

the tox fog is the most brutal part imo

[dark zealot]

i mean if a can 1v1 the ranged guy they have three people for horde clear and the sword lass

[delicate needle]

people need to be more willing to use their stimm if they're low

[opaque island]

ontop of The ranged ones fog grenades

[delicate needle]

going down can mean the end

[rough vault]

i havent gotten the bells yet i need to so i can ask pubbers at least

[delicate needle]

it's tough if you dont have stagger to push thru the horde

[opaque island]

also if you know you can handle it giving your stimm to someone who needs it

[ripe quest]

Used this. They spent more time on the floor than attacking.

[royal vortex]

u can beat hard mode on a lower dif

to get the bell skip

btw

[rough vault]

ye i know

[delicate needle]

glad i found this out

was annoying to go thru the level

[rough vault]

but then i gotta ask the low levels

and that's painful

[plucky gate]

wtf you can???

[royal vortex]

it just doesn't give u the penance

u won't get the DRIP

[clear knot]

wait u only get the penance for damnation hardmode?

[royal vortex]

yea

[clear knot]

based

as FUCK

[opaque island]

its gambling, you either gotta have a good premade or get lucky and get a good pub team or its not happening

[clear knot]

im gatekeeping and you fucks cant do anythign about it

get better or bust, losers

[rough vault]

i dont have any friends

[delicate needle]

at first i thouht we got a trinket

kinda wished we did

[opaque island]

then you'll have to get a good pub team

good luck soldier

[royal vortex]

i like that theyre adding more insignias

we've had like, 5 for way too long lmao

[delicate needle]

yea

[rough vault]

wonder how much longer the inquisitor seals will sit

[opaque island]

slowly but surely im getting that banner

I think im almost halfway

[royal vortex]

tons of unused frames and whatnot in the files

[rough vault]

i was so sad when the halloween one didnt get used

and the skull backpack

and the

[opaque island]

and

[royal vortex]

we'll get em eventually 🙏 (maybe)

[rough vault]

[dark zealot]

maybe ill do better with my backstab armour pen knife?

[untold carbon]

I’m very confident that I’ll overcome them on hard, but for now I need to focus on my school work

[royal vortex]

the most annoying part of the bossfight

is the stupid jank like completely silent bursters in the fog

that jump at you at 0 stamina

[dark zealot]

i get snatched by trappers

i cant hear them or see them in time

[clear knot]

bomb spam is pretty bad too, mixed with audio problems it makes it really annoying to do

[dark zealot]

i cant dodge them because then i take a plasma round to the face

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-man-throw-out-trash-gif-14761446

[clear knot]

and engage with

[dark zealot]

and get stun locked

[delicate needle]

bombs n flak ragers are usually the reason my runs get wiped

[rough vault]

i love u argus

ur a homie

[royal vortex]

my sacred task was running around stepping on the land mines every chance i got

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-smile-car-windows-down-gif-16958759

[royal vortex]

my zealot learned this technique in space bosnia

[delicate needle]

a psyker with smite is very useful

[rough vault]

hi im psyker with smite

[delicate needle]

:)

[plucky gate]

chain weapons are so nice for the shields

rev and the shield melts

[untold carbon]

Big facts

[rough vault]

i got called the mvp when i beat damn twins it made me feel all fuzzy inside cuz i thought i was doing poorly

[delicate needle]

rev heavy evis gets rodin's shield down to like 1/3rd

[opaque island]

bubble shield and smite psyker, and a tanky ogryn with a stubber and 2 zealots 1 a thammer, and the other a chainsword i believe, was the team that did it for me

it was hard

[ripe quest]

And here I am with my FtF Flamer just turning the burster into a ballistic missile.

[opaque island]

thats such a good feeling

[delicate needle]

naw man the smite stopping the utter chaos of the horde is so nice

gives people a chance to actually kill the elites and specials

[opaque island]

i dont care who you are 2 crushers 3 ragers and a sniper is alot for anyone to deal with

smite will save lives

[dark zealot]

its not too hard if you are speedy zealot to do that while 1v1ing

[rough vault]

I LOVE BEING USEFUL

[delicate needle]

MOMMY HADRON CONFIRMED??

[untold carbon]

Ayo?

[delicate needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[opaque island]

you're telling me ishouldve been purposefully blowing them up and not just dodging them all the time

[royal vortex]

yes

[opaque island]

im shook

[royal vortex]

if u step on em

and then move away

they do nothing

u cannot let the room get filled with bombs

it gets very bad

very fast

[opaque island]

yea thats what wiped me and my friends run

too many bombs

too much chaos

[royal vortex]

u step on the bombs and focus the fk out of rodin

that shitter has to DIE

[opaque island]

we had the focus on rodin

[ripe quest]

Can you shoot the bombs or do you need to step on them?

[royal vortex]

i have no idea

i asked incan that

he said

"no idea"

[delicate needle]

step on em

[royal vortex]

nobody fkin knows lmao

[delicate needle]

i tried shooting but didnt work

i WISH it did

[royal vortex]

😔

[rough vault]

i tried shooting ):

only steppy

[delicate needle]

nothing worse than not being able to clear out all the bombs and getting knocked into one

[hoary owl]

You gotta step; which is why Ogryn Bull Rush is best for clearing them out.

[delicate needle]

rodin focus seems the way to go tbh

[naive linden]

Thoughts?

[sharp zodiac]

Chaxe aquired

[royal vortex]

rinda doing her stupid naruto run bullshit and knocking u into 8 bombs

[ripe quest]

I'd like to do it hardmode at some point but my premade isn't setup for that

[delicate needle]

anyone can block rinda, but rodin shooty bad :(

[ripe quest]

I don't want to shove that on randoms.

[royal vortex]

just suffer until it is done

[delicate needle]

sad pen dump stat but it's nice

[ripe quest]

If only I could do it solo for the penance.

[opaque island]

I believe in you Exhillious

if i can do it i know you can

[royal vortex]

it didnt actually take me that many tries

although

3hp curios

[naive linden]

This doesn't seem that bad considering how low its modifier is

[royal vortex]

was puttin in fkin work with beacon of purity

[opaque island]

thats the corruption healing one isnt it?

[royal vortex]

yeah

[opaque island]

yea i can see that being very useful for this

[delicate needle]

still really good stats overall, run it

[ripe quest]

The Vet crate buff is incredibly nice for the mission as well.

[delicate needle]

you'll be hard pressed to find a better hammer

also when tf will fatshark let us get the WHOLE stat bar

[dark zealot]

oh yeah going for the golden drip

[naive linden]

keep rolling?

[delicate shadow]

it took me a lot before we joined up lmao

[opaque island]

ive seen peoples weapons were 80% is the full stat bar, i assume its a mod

[opaque island]

yea like this

[naive linden]

I have that mod

[delicate needle]

yeah, it's a mod

[naive linden]

its so nice for clarity sakes

[opaque island]

why they decided 100% isnt actually 100% is beyond me

[royal vortex]

😔

at least its fucking OVER

[sharp zodiac]

Found a garbage chaxe with the slaughterer blessing, Id prefer headtaker but it works

[royal vortex]

(until i agree to help someone else get it)

[naive linden]

okay so thunderstrike to thrust and what else?

[rough vault]

agree to help me get it

[north sedge]

Joshowill carry me through forthwith

[dark zealot]

does anyone know if duelist works yet?

[opaque island]

you're gonna want 25% unyielding perk

[dark zealot]

this one?

[north sedge]

Always worked, just no icon

[opaque island]

id trade out block

[royal vortex]

duellist has always worked

just doesn't have a buff icon

blessings used to not have buff icons and you needed a mod to get em waaaaaay back in the old times

[dark zealot]

i could have sworn it was bugged at some point?

[royal vortex]

nope

never was

people kept falsely reporting it was because it doesnt have a buff icon

[rough vault]

it always was

[ripe quest]

It's always worked

[untold carbon]

@ripe quest what blessings on the chainaxe for the twins?

[ripe quest]

+50% weakspot and critical damage, and +100% critical weakspot damage.

[dark zealot]

just planning a back stab crit build for beating up the bosses

[polar plover]

would anyone like to leech exp with me ?

[ripe quest]

I used a Mk IV since I didn't have a well build Mk XII at the time. Flak + Elites and Thrust/Headtaker.

[opaque island]

wth does this mean?

[ripe quest]

Ideally you have like, Flak/Cara but that doesn't actually do much outside of the twins.

[untold carbon]

Also even though I haven’t beaten them on hard, I find the fight to be exhilarating and a fun challenge

[opaque island]

I want more fights like that

[sharp zodiac]

Alright let's see how this damn thing works (never bothered using chaxe till now)

[polar plover]

im trying to farm penance, i need someone to join me to start a private match

[delicate shadow]

yeah looking forward to when someone drags me into it again so they can have the stupid flex insignia too
gonna be mald central

[opaque island]

ah i see

I mean they're clearly setting up wolfer as a bossfight later down the line

[ripe quest]

Once I get T4 headtaker this'll probs be what I use for Twins.

[opaque island]

this ones hard mode is gonna be wolfer and the twins all enraged from the start

[simple herald]

is thrust better than bloodletter?

[ripe quest]

Yes

[north sedge]

Time to drag aquila and josho into that fight is what I'm hearing

[dark zealot]

i need a better bleed and back stab knife but the plasteel required is rough

[delicate shadow]

ok like I'd actually be happy to do it again with a solid premade lol

[royal vortex]

does anngak have it yet

[north sedge]

Dunno

[dark zealot]

what is their head armour?

[royal vortex]

carapace

[north sedge]

Im half joking since I'm not even home right now

[delicate shadow]

like I don't enjoy the map at all but it's not awful to grind out with a decent premade, though it's kinda random based on special spawns, audio bugs n shit like that

[dark zealot]

467 on critical weakspot hit before my buffs

[royal vortex]

and now we have the bell skip

[opaque island]

how long do you guys think until the next big boss fight mission?

[royal vortex]

so we don't have to do the stupid FUCKING PUZZLE every time

[drifting warren]

Hey where did you get the original?

[delicate shadow]

god that puzzle is tedious

[ripe quest]

D2 raid my beloved

[opaque island]

it was very kind of them to add the skip bells

[rough vault]

take me with you (i will die)

[opaque island]

I dont know if i want anything complicated lke the Destiny 2 raids get if thats what you're saying

[dark zealot]

mercy killer III and ruthless backstab IV, duelist and back stab damage talent, shroudfield and perfectionist

[ripe quest]

I'm saying the bell puzzle being a thing you need to toggle each time sparks the same negative emotions I get when I hear about D2 raid mechanics.

[dark zealot]

how would i add all that up?

[royal vortex]

its legit like a 5 minute walking sequence where one dude has to fuck off and do a really boring and repetitive task but u can't fuck it up because then u have to do the walking sequence all over again

there's nothing else going on, u basically can't lose to the bosses before the final arena

[polar nexus]

it's from reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18iag83/did_they_add_this_line_recently_or_am_i_just/

[hidden nacelle]

wish there was more twins boss fights dont feel like doing missions anymore

[opaque island]

oh im sure you'll get burnt out

[delicate shadow]

literally the only redeeming feature of the map is zola getting dabbed on

[royal vortex]

legit lmao

[opaque island]

yall dont like zola?

[royal vortex]

rannick has REMOVED zola from the zoom call

no its just funny

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah I think this chaxe gig is great, horde clear however is definitely the glaring issue on it

[opaque island]

it is pretty funny

[drifting warren]

Ah, right. Would have thought it would be common courtesy to post the source but ya know, you do you

[rough vault]

if they added an entire select screen for them im certain we'll be getting more like it

[opaque island]

she was getting too personally invested fr

[hidden nacelle]

oh ya just fighting a actual boss instead of the regular faceroll assasination missions was a nice change

[dark zealot]

its like when two adults are having a domestic but you dont wanna have anything to do with it cause your on a bus or something and cant get away either

[polar nexus]

do you need to be passive agressive?

[untold carbon]

Am I the only one that gets borderlands vibes from the twin’s intro

[opaque island]

i can almost quote their lines

[dark zealot]

the cringé?

[opaque island]

its like right on the tip of my tongue

[untold carbon]

Same

[opaque island]

borderlands was good for its time

it did not age well

[hidden nacelle]

yeah i hope, the fight was really fun

[royal vortex]

the lines are kinda cringe but funny

[dark zealot]

2 was great 3 is okay

[ripe quest]

heretics are cringe

[strange kestrel]

im so fucking tired of the mission with the obscura den ambush

[ripe quest]

makes the killing part easier

[strange kestrel]

its the only mission i get when i click quickplay

like bruh

[opaque island]

they're cringe until you realize they will actually woop your ass and can back up their shit talk

[untold carbon]

Also when we first saw the twins I thought their designs were kinda meh, but their designs have really grown on me

[royal vortex]

i just wish the twins were visually distinct from any scab type enemy

[opaque island]

ya

[royal vortex]

i legit can't keep track of them in a pack of ragers/maulers

esp if one gets staggered

[opaque island]

even just giving them a glowey bit somewhere or something

[ripe quest]

I kinda wish they had a bit of an aura.

[opaque island]

something to help visually distinguish in the mess

[ripe quest]

Some like, faded green or smth

[opaque island]

but thats probably part of the point

[royal vortex]

yeah

this is what i wanted

some kind of green glow/outline what have you

[opaque island]

I think we can all agree on 1 simple unequivocal fact about the karnak twins

they are stinky

[north sedge]

Stink halos

[ripe quest]

ooo give them a constant radiating smoke aura

[rough vault]

they do NOT shower

[dark zealot]

well i can one shot a crusher with a stim and shroudfield

[north sedge]

[dark zealot]

i dont need the stim apparently to do it

i could do big damage to bosses but the setup feels like too much

think i can do as much damage with light attacks in the time it takes to get shroudfield back

7s ish to kill a crusher without all the bonuses id have in the game

[north sedge]

[opaque island]

what weapon are you talking about

[dark zealot]

combat blade mk3

[sharp zodiac]

Thought ye were talking bout a chain weapon or smth

[elfin steppe]

the chest piece alone is great, no need to buy other parts unless you want to play captain sparrow

[dark zealot]

nah just my trusty knife

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

[sharp zodiac]

A part of me wish it were sleeved

[elfin steppe]

why

[sharp zodiac]

But that's mainly because I never was a fan of short sleeved stuff

I like sleeved outfits

[dark zealot]

ngl the weapons thing in the lobby is kinda cringe

[hidden nacelle]

can show off dem tats

[opaque island]

arms are weird and noodly

[north sedge]

🤔

[elfin steppe]

But I can show people my awesome Emperor tattoo.

[sharp zodiac]

That is a fair point

[dark zealot]

trying to backstab her is rough

[sour sierra]

what do I change for this?

[dawn wharf]

Limb to Slaughterer and Infested to Maniac. I can't remember how good Brutal Momentum is still but that's also an option

[spark raven]

What do you guys use for Perks on a Knife

[frank night]

[untold carbon]

Headtaker you mean, antax doesn’t get slaughterer

[frank night]

u are weak short and made of jelly

[royal vortex]

i cannot help that all the ogryn cosmetics are fkin bangers ok

big man big drip

[untold carbon]

They have not missed with any of Ogryn’s cosmetics yet

[maiden path]

how much are the new rogue trader skins

rouge

[vagrant blade]

too much O_O

[sharp zodiac]

They're ok

[vagrant blade]

im poor pls gib mony

[sharp zodiac]

None of them really stand out but they're not dogshit

[untold carbon]

Also I haven’t seen the rouge trader Ogryn skin yet and I can’t check rn, what’s it look like?

[ivory marlin]

Pimp jacket

[untold carbon]

Kickass

[sharp zodiac]

The ogryn hat is funny but everything else is fine

Then again I've never played thee slab so my input may be inadequate

[untold carbon]

The best part about Ogryn is the giggle factor of so much of his stuff

While also just being an absolute beast

[sharp zodiac]

Thee slab can be proven useful I will say, much more than others

So long as thee is no rock slab during my hammer run

Because the mutant is MINE

Not his

Mine..

[strange kestrel]

i just choked in auric maelstrom 😦

[deft garnet]

Rock > hammer

Sorry but there is no debate

Go bonk the maulers and crushers instead

[sharp zodiac]

NOOO- actually wait thas not too bad

[dark zealot]

the ragers are the real boss fight

so pros:
i can chunk the guy a lot more
cons:
less shroudfield up time, no 6s stealth and cant help team if downed

[vagrant blade]

if u want ez fight vs ragers u need power maul

oh wait its called crusher on zealot

[flint mason]

what hammer

is best hammer

[sharp zodiac]

They're both good

Just have slight differences

[vagrant blade]

but which one is the supreme hammer O_O ?

[dark zealot]

i dont wanna fight them though, i wanna stab the plasma boi

[vagrant blade]

interesting decision, may I ask what prompted you to take this decision ?

[dark zealot]

i can solo him and that measn its 1v3 and the ragers

the math adds up yes?

[untold carbon]

Depends, Ironhelm is better suited to elite killing and while the Crucius can also kill elites dead really well, it’s shines the most against bosses

[north sedge]

Crucis special hits 25% harder but stops on first target, better moveset. Ironhelm special is less dmg but cleaves until it hits an elite, jankier moveset

[untold carbon]

Yeah ironhelm would be nicer without that god awful overhead

[vagrant blade]

ironhelm with double overhead would be cool for elites

imagine you bonk a mauler from the top and then you bonk him again

wide sweeping lights, hard hitting overhead heavies

the dream

[next trench]

sustained fire on this is kinda bad isnt it lol

[untold carbon]

Could definitely work as a third Thammer variant I suppose

[north sedge]

You want surgical handcannon

[next trench]

damn

[untold carbon]

Ok wait so is the crucius the heavy variant and the ironhelm is the medium variant?

[north sedge]

Believe the 3rd variant is tentatively meant to be the heavy, whenever that happens

[next trench]

maybe i could keep the crucian roulette and change up the unarmored enemy damage? the crit chance by 5 is alright i guess?

[buoyant pecan]

Ironhelm is the light

[plucky gate]

sometimes i wonder
when people use med stim on me as a martyrdom zealot, are they messing with me on purpose?

[buoyant pecan]

crucius is the medium

the Agripinnea will undoubtedly be the heavy

[ripe quest]

Overhead heavies oh yeah oh yeah

[buoyant pecan]

that Forge World slaps

[untold carbon]

I hope the heavy one is just the Warrior Priest Warhammer from vt2

[north sedge]

It just won't be as effective as having surgical, it's just so much more consistent

[next trench]

i mean like

replacing the sustained fire

and unarmoured

[jade shale]

Best blessings for new chainaxe and new eviscerator?

[sage swan]

do I have to be on damnation to ring the bells in the right order?

[vagrant blade]

you can do it on any difficulty but you only get the achievement if you do it on damnation

[sage swan]

yeah I just wana unlock the bell teleport

[vagrant blade]

you can unlock it on malice for later attempts

yes 😄

[untold carbon]

For the new evis I really like shred and rampage

[strange kestrel]

Yes

Thats literally it

Its funny

[untold carbon]

You don’t really need a cleave blessing since the new evis has a 4 target damage cap

[strange kestrel]

I dont mind it when it happens to me

Its more of a facepalm

[grizzled aspen]

this is kind of a dumb question but how are you supposed to use flamers

they seem quite weak

[jade shale]

What about new chainaxe

[strange kestrel]

Because they are

Dont believe the hype

[north sedge]

they are not

whats your flamer look like

[grizzled aspen]

gimme a sec, uploading it to steam then I gotta download and crop it

[strange kestrel]

Huh

Dude just use lightshot lol

[strange kestrel]

Burn 33%

Thats a brick

[grizzled aspen]

I didn't even realize until now

guess it's blessing food then

[clear notch]

tragic

[strange kestrel]

Extract fan the flames from it

And yea

Wait till u get a good flamer

[untold carbon]

Depends, you can either go for slaughterer and headtaker for general use or headtaker and thrust for dedicated elite hunting

[strange kestrel]

Flamers ok with throwing knife insta swap trick

[dark zealot]

gonna try my evis and chastise now

[north sedge]

you want 76 burn, high cloud, ammo is nice but doesnt need max, rest is dump

[grizzled aspen]

you have gotta be fucking kidding me rn

I've been trying for a good eviscerator for a while and mr milk has a perfect one

[strange kestrel]

Get it

[north sedge]

blaze away for blessing, flak/elites/unyielding for perks

[grizzled aspen]

well, actually, I say it's perfect

what blessings should I want

it's got t4 momentum and t3 bloodletter atm

[plucky shuttle]

what to use bolter at?
like what is it good against?

[strange kestrel]

Rn nothing

[ashen quartz]

it's not rn

[north sedge]

which eviscerator

[royal vortex]

it's a vet weapon, basically. it's not the worst but it's fallen off since p13

[grizzled aspen]

mk15

[royal vortex]

decent unyielding damage, not the worst thing to magdump into a boss

[north sedge]

rampage plus whatever you feel like

[grizzled aspen]

keeping momentum then

[ashen quartz]

yeah i've seen vers rock it with some success but harder sell on zeal

[jade shale]

Ight cheers

[grizzled aspen]

15% toughness on hitting 3 targets at once is cracked

[strange kestrel]

On zealot it has its niche but its unuseable without the throwing knife insta swap trick

[grizzled aspen]

yeah bolter is crap atm

by the time you find something worth using it on and get it out, a veteran with a plasma gun has already killed it and the thing behind it

[strange kestrel]

Yeah

[grizzled aspen]

and with a monstrosity melee is typically the better option

[strange kestrel]

Unless u got throwing knives

But its still bad

Insta swap magdump that bitch and go back to melee and never use it again until the next checkpoint/elevator

[grizzled aspen]

alright so I know I should change bloodletter on the mk15 evisc but I dont know which perk to change

currently it has 10% melee damage bonus vs specialists and 4% melee crit chance

[strange kestrel]

Savage sweep

Those perks are 😬

[spare talon]

you dont want savage sweep on the mk15

[grizzled aspen]

what the heck is savage sweep

[north sedge]

it gives some stagger but thats about, it's not horrible to have but not necessary

is blessing

the old evisc needs it

[strange kestrel]

Oh i got them mixed up

[spare talon]

just take shred at that point, even without a crit build, damage is still damage

[amber sluice]

is this a bad build? i havent palyed in awhile but feeling kinda gimp in games atm

[grizzled aspen]

what is savage sweep

[north sedge]

it gives cleave

[spare talon]

hit 3 or more enemies triples your cleave

[strange kestrel]

On mk15 as long as u got rampage the 2nd blessing doesnt matter

[grizzled aspen]

I aint got that

I have momentum

[north sedge]

but on mk15 you're capped at 4 per swing for damage

[grizzled aspen]

toughness on hitting 3 targets

[spare talon]

oh both bloodletter and momentum aint good

[north sedge]

yes we've already been over this

rampage + whatever

[strange kestrel]

Yeah

[grizzled aspen]

idk 15% toughness for hitting 3 enemies seems cracked to me

[strange kestrel]

Then do rampage momentum and replace one of the perks

[spare talon]

zealot has no need for it, toughness is plentiful with zealot

[north sedge]

for a perk, flak or maniac, probably replace crit? since specalist at least will help a little with some things, kind of either/or for which perk to replace

[hardy surge]

no

[grizzled aspen]

I think I'll replace crit then

[spark raven]

Is Ruthless Backstab good on a Knife?

[bitter patio]

15% on dodge is even more so

[strange kestrel]

Best blessing on knife

Especially on zealot

[grizzled aspen]

with my other eviscerator I was using I couldn't kill a mutant on special attack

[north sedge]

🤔

[grizzled aspen]

so I figure the 10% bonus means I can cut muties down with ease

[strange kestrel]

Muties can already be cut down with ease

[vagrant blade]

my other eviscerator is a chainaxe

[spark raven]

My Zealot Knife Mk6 has every Stat excet Pen at over 70 and came with ruthless backstab 3

[bitter patio]

I 2 shot them with my ca2, theyre pretty weak

[grizzled aspen]

well yeah but I couldn't 1shot them on damnation with the other one

[glass pelican]

So i gotta ask

[grizzled aspen]

I would prefer they die the moment they enter my melee range

[glass pelican]

does the new costume make funny noises with the pirate leg

pls tell me it does

[plucky shuttle]

do those stack?
like if i have 2 curios with this will it increase to 20?

[strange kestrel]

They dont put that much effort on cosmetics

[spare talon]

yes
but you never want that
ever

its actively detrimental

[untold carbon]

Except when it comes to Ogryn because they haven’t missed once with him

[plucky shuttle]

how come?

[dark zealot]

they mean you arent taking a buff

[spare talon]

its INSTEAD of a weapon

[plucky shuttle]

true

[spare talon]

and curios that you get from missions are shit

[dark zealot]

yes and?

[spark raven]

What blessing do i pair with Ruthless backstab

[strange kestrel]

True...

The krieg outfit is amazing

[spare talon]

at least with weeapons you might get a blessing you need

[dark zealot]

you can get weapons easier than a curio

[strange kestrel]

No

That is untrue

[minor sage]

it also sucks ass

it's a multiplicative multiplier instead of additive

[strange kestrel]

Weapons sure good weapons hell no

[minor sage]

so if you have a 4% chance to get a curio, with 20% you now have 4.8%, not 24%

[plucky shuttle]

should I change it or not?
I am lvl 17 now and got only those 3 curios

wanted to save till lvl 30 to craft more

[spare talon]

dont worry about it if youre still leveling

[next trench]

handcannon experience, overkill damage lol

[strange kestrel]

Dont spend a single penny while ur leveling

Pro tip

[plucky shuttle]

ok

just gold stuff

[strange kestrel]

Honestly not even

But if u wanna spend one or two dockets on a weapon its fine

But you want to save all your gold for when you hit 30

[polar nexus]

old way of leveling was to buy a shredder and put pinning fire 4 on it as soon as possible

[dark zealot]

imo all you want is curios to get the exp boosts

[polar nexus]

you could do that until you hit 30

[plucky shuttle]

I take apart all blessed weapons and sell all bellow Anointed that have no blessing

[strange kestrel]

Yea just spend gold and plasteel on getting that 10% exp boost on all ur curios

[dark zealot]

nothing matters till 30 lol

so just exp

[opaque island]

Some of the best and worst players I've seen are below 30 you never know

[dark zealot]

bot clearly carried

[plucky shuttle]

I was stupid and thought that crafting mats are shared 🤣

[next trench]

Wat, everybody gets the same in the end

[bitter patio]

yea that just shows how many people picked up

[plucky shuttle]

oh so its just how much you picked nvm then

[next trench]

Yeah

[bitter patio]

because picking things up takes away from your dps and puts you in danger at the same time

[dark zealot]

thoughts?

[bitter patio]

depends on how often you use it

[next trench]

I wish crafting system was a little better

Upgrading stuff is so tedious

[bitter patio]

I dont really like the gun type but if you are fine with the ammo its fine

[next trench]

Yeah other than ammo this good

[copper hawk]

Havent used the shredder since the nerf

When they dropped the big patch

[minor sage]

you want the 3 stats dmg, stopping, and ammo to be high rolled

[dark zealot]

might just be blessing fodder but the damage and stopping power looked too nice to skip

[north sedge]

it works fine if you have anoint/judgement, im sure it's more painful without

[bitter patio]

you dont need the ammo to be high if you only use it on say, ragers and bulwarks

[dark zealot]

this is what i currently have though so its not really any better but meh

[dark zealot]

normally if i run shredder pistol its just for those and specials

[bitter patio]

like I only use my revolver on netters flamers, snipers and bombers so I dont really need a huge ammo

I pick up like 2 tins a game and its usually ones that would be left behind anyway

[dark zealot]

i like it a short range tool to kill things i dont want to risk getting in melee with

[minor sage]

ammo is especially important bcz it affects 3 things:

1. How much use you get out of pinning fire, since it needs to be stacked and it affects your mag size
2. How much ammo you get back from pickups + vet aura
3. Your overall dps uptime since the weapon shoots quite fast

you can't really get away with a slightly lower ammo roll like you can on colum for example

[dark zealot]

do you think we will ever get more autopistols?

[rancid fern]

If ur gonna spend ammo Columnus auto rifles are worth 5 auto pistols each

Autopistols are ultimately trash

[bitter patio]

isnt it for swap speed and shot bursts of stupid damage

Id still take a graia braced over the autopistol though

[ornate bone]

The damage is definitely stupid

The bad kind of stupid

They tossed the shredder in the toilet, shat on it and didn't even flush

[rancid fern]

Didn't they nerf it

[ornate bone]

Heavily

[rancid fern]

Ye

[dark zealot]

my best one of those is hot garbage though

[rancid fern]

I like it before nerf

[bitter patio]

I remember taking a full mag to kill a mauler on flak when I was leveling with it

[rancid fern]

Now its worse than a chainaxe

[minor sage]

Honestly they prob shouldve nerfed it to 40% or 50%

[native cargo]

Can't believe they nerfed the volkswagon beetle in Darktide

[minor sage]

Instead of 25%

[bitter patio]

but I didnt know even at the best builds its still bad

[ornate bone]

It's basically unusable now unless you're one of those malice vets that dictates ammo economy by having survivalist and 3 staff psykers on the team

[minor sage]

100% getting nerfed to 25% is a bit much lol

100% is a bit much, but 25% is abysmal

[rancid fern]

Sounds like ur remedy is to play more and get those mats

[ornate bone]

Fatshark try to not overdo tweaks challenge

[minor sage]

Well to be fair

Theyre pretty good about it usually

[ornate bone]

I don't wanna be fair

[minor sage]

Look at power sword

[dark zealot]

my inventory is filled with junk shotguns and other junk guns for blessings

[ornate bone]

I wanna mald and shit myself

[rancid fern]

Sell all of them

[ornate bone]

ngl I think power sword is 15% dodge distance away from being utterly broken

[dark zealot]

but the blessings?

[ornate bone]

I'd legitimately trade the crusher push combo "one"-shots for more mobility

[rancid fern]

Earn some of them

But by the sounds of 8t they're all mk2 so who cares

[dark zealot]

so was it columnus braced autogun or infantry autogun?

[bitter patio]

ia

the braced is the worst of the braced series

[rancid fern]

MK V columnus

[native cargo]

Who up bracing they gun

[bitter patio]

graia braced is great fun on survivalist vet

[dark zealot]

so the infantry gun alright

[minor sage]

Tldr is

Braced if you wanna body shot

[rancid fern]

Try get good mobility

[minor sage]

Iag if you wanna crit and headshot

[dark zealot]

good mobility?

XD

[bitter patio]

mobility is the dump stat

[minor sage]

I run a colum braced build on vet where I make up the dmg loss via tag tree

It does pretty well

[bitter patio]

why use colum braced when agri and graia do what you want better. Agri has the range graia doesnt and graia has the best mid range dps

colum has bad damage bad ammo and bad ranged

[minor sage]

Colum runs the fastest