zealot-class

[bitter patio]

havent played hardmode yet, but everyone Ive heard talk about it was complaining that they couldnt move because the horde was too big and then they couldnt dodge the bosses

[small kernel]

i dont play psyker too much so i actually dont know how effective surge is against maulers

[hollow ember]

do u have a loadout talent with relic?

[ivory cipher]

Need a quick plasteel farm. This Eviscerator NEEDS upgrading

[small kernel]

horde here is rather ragers and maulers

[bitter patio]

very, it really only has issues on crushers

[hollow ember]

can't seem to find relic talent loadout

[small kernel]

which spawn during bosses are hyper aggressively (enraged) attacking you

[hollow ember]

I wanna try to be more useful in pugs

[bitter patio]

2 shot flak ragers 3 shot maniac ragers, maulers you can circle strafe and kill in 7 hist each or 5 heavy attacks

[small kernel]

only one i have is crit based that still uses evis but

you wont be doing as much dmg as martyrdom build fyi

its more of a relic spam build

[hollow ember]

I would love to try it, felt useless in my last damnation twins lol

[crimson bluff]

Thinking of switching Lacerate to something else, is mercy killer (or other) really worth it ?

[hollow ember]

at least i can provide support

[bitter patio]

yea i thought 4 zealots going icon spamming with the 20% backstab cdr and just cycling with eachother would trash the bosses since bosses dont attack during icon but I was told it didnt work well and no one explained more than that

[agile pivot]

Switch to precog

[small kernel]

i left 1 point out, pick either dmg or dmg reduction for relic

whichever you feel is more needed

[hollow ember]

ty ❤️

[small kernel]

i doubt this is anywhere near optimized as i barely played relic compared to other one

[spiral anvil]

Just kill the boss lmao

2x chastise plus headshot should take bosses down like 15% at the very least

[olive raven]

No but that doesn’t matter for comparing weapons

[bitter patio]

well yea but everyone was saying it was too hard to do in pubs because youre stuck with 3 people who cant dodge the bombs or melee the elites

[small kernel]

i wanted to see boss onetap breakpoints

[olive raven]

Switch to Precog if you want a better knife

[small kernel]

boss throws out much more bombs and much more frequently

[tiny walrus]

<3

[small kernel]

and so are there way more elites

[olive raven]

I mean you can still calculate it

It just takes a bit

More effort

[small kernel]

[tiny walrus]

dps knife build

[small kernel]

i meant as in the tree for it, which ult and what important nodes

[olive raven]

Uncanny/Precog

With Shroud, Immolate and momentum

[tiny walrus]

i use invis for high dps

[olive raven]

That’s the build

[ornate bone]

do you use invis for high dps because it raises your dps?

[small kernel]

[spiral anvil]

I think it's just D, without the PS

[tiny walrus]

um yes

backstab headshot crit with precog

is a lot

[royal vortex]

it lowers it. he must be held back

[tiny walrus]

haha

no i use chorus for dps

[olive raven]

wdym I don’t use an ult for dps

They are useless

[agile pivot]

chorus

im not entirely sold on it tbh

It seems like neat I guess

But chastise is just so perfect at everything

[autumn vector]

Chorus can save pugs, and help you manage pugs so that they dont die contantly.

I want to try the new evis with shred to kind of have something where I can save pugs and still one shot most elites with the rev. I'm just not how sure pratical it will be in the end.

the cleave cap on the weapon likely hurts the cdr

[agile pivot]

Its hard to switch off of crusher for pubs

It just does everything

[autumn vector]

Wonder if it will help me carry bugs through the new hardmode lol

pugs*

idk I think my devilsword tanking of the melee boss will work if I can just find some pugs who can kill the ranged boss

[small kernel]

for the new orthus mission, chorus feels pretty important

more so in hardmode

[final forge]

@autumn vector you looking to try the hm bosses? everytime i look in the vox they insta fill

[small kernel]

its even better if you have 1 person using shroudfield/chastise and focusing on the boss dmg while another zealot is doing chorus work and dealing with elites preferably with an ogryn

**as you can even move someone to safety in gas phases if they get caught in gas somehow

with the huge toughness regen

[spiral anvil]

You can walk and chorus to the safe location so it's quite safe

Either that or save chorus for the guaranteed elite spawns when the bosses come back

[small kernel]

ye

its also a huge help during elite phase

[forest schooner]

so are the twinfight rewards just the insignias?

[spiral anvil]

Yeap

[small kernel]

pretty much

[forest schooner]

nods

[small kernel]

[forest schooner]

wish it was more but this is okay

[spiral anvil]

I really rather they don't lock weapons and features behind time limited events

[agile pivot]

They wont replace my 3 purity seals

[forest schooner]

true. do we know the timelimit for the twins?

[agile pivot]

We dont

[forest schooner]

oh nice

[spiral anvil]

Huh ok

[forest schooner]

so probably gonna at least be a thing through their vacation

but yeah would have liked i dunno, a shirt? a skin? a hat? a backpack? some rando twin-themed cosmetic?

shrugs

we get what we get

[left iron]

People seem to be extremely allergic to scanning anything in Hab Dreyko for some reason

[forest schooner]

yeah i always get EVERYONE IS SCANNING or NO ONE IS SCANNING

[left iron]

I wish the pugs i get would scan something, but they're too busy doing whatever it is they are doing

[forest schooner]

the rare One person has decided their duty is to scan and everyone else is covering them is a delight

[steep epoch]

Aight folks, time for a fixer upper

[north sedge]

Technology is scary

[ornate bone]

is there no reward for beating hardmode?

[steep epoch]

Sigh.......

[vocal pulsar]

@polar nexus @ripe quest nah I'm not trolling. Thunderous let's me hit breakpoints on both chaxes

[forest schooner]

a fancier insignia

[steep epoch]

I'm thinking trauma for thrust and unyielding for unarmored

[mental coral]

lmao

dogshit team is dogshit

[left iron]

The noisy box starts making beeping noises when i point it at things

[mental coral]

they never fail to amaze me

[north sedge]

Oh fuck call an exorcist

[vocal pulsar]

On old chaxe I run headtaker and thunderous. New chaxe I run thrust and thunderous

[mental coral]

tried to play with randoms and one of them left at boss event which is just 10/10 and the other two went down, died, got revived by me, went down again before I went down once

fml

[forest schooner]

i'm a dorkus that runs my chaxes with slaughterer and headtaker

because MORE POWER

[hollow ember]

try LFG

better chances at good teammates

[small kernel]

if eu, i can join :v

[left iron]

LFG is literally just as bad as pugs

[mental coral]

NA

[left iron]

SO i'll just cut the middleman

[mental coral]

and yeah I thought LFG were particularly bad no

[royal vortex]

iceslow what da hell happened to u

[small kernel]

[hollow ember]

oh rip

[mental coral]

@royal vortex wanna carry me ;-;

[royal vortex]

god no

[mental coral]

I just want my fucking orthus offensive win

and hard mode win eventually

but

I want the funny cutscene

@royal vortex what if I play an actual comp and not surge staff

[misty abyss]

Pubs Atleast in my case preformed better then a Pre-made cause all the people who want a carry 70% of the time usually scurry to a pre-made

[left iron]

Wdym? Saint Stan has blessed me with a new name, if thats what you mean

[mental coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I play with randoms and I'm reminded everyday that I should lower my standards

[misty abyss]

Just assume your going to be carrying 80% of the time and you’ll be fine. Probably.

[vocal pulsar]

You are one of these randoms that you speak of, derpy.

[left iron]

I play with randoms mostly, and i've already realized they will find a corner to die in as soon as they can when im not herding them forward

[mental coral]

tell me that when I'm not stuck reviving people off the ground while playing on my alt

[vocal pulsar]

You are a pub player

[mental coral]

;-;

oh boy joining a midgame

[north sedge]

Had no idea stan spoke gaelic

[left iron]

Man of many talents

[sand lance]

Don't really have much of a choice on my regard, so the best I can hope for is LFGs.

Got really close on one Secret Mode Damnation run, managed to put down Rodin before Rinda pushed my shit in.

[ripe quest]

@polar nexus Looking into it, Thunderous only has the upper hand with rev attacks against Carapace, and the non-sticky base attacks against some non-fodder armor types.

[left iron]

Master chef, multilingual etc

[ornate bone]

I thought Karnak was a cheeky Powerslave reference, but apparently it's a location in Egypt

[small kernel]

i can attempt playing with NA ping but

[small kernel]

i won't really be able to ''carry''

[royal vortex]

he is fucking ACTUALLY a horse

[left iron]

My zealots are only 58 levels away from my psykers now

[ripe quest]

It's ok ig. I'd only take it if I hated Crushers for some reason.

[vocal pulsar]

It's true. Josho wants to ride him

[royal vortex]

i made this joke when anngak showed me i-

mankar

what the fuck is wrong with you

[left iron]

LMAO

[native cargo]

A carry is a carry

[small kernel]

sir 170-200ms is no joke

[native cargo]

Damn thats fast going down the highway

[small kernel]

[misty abyss]

Honestly when your playing pub HM twins just locate the best player in the team and babysit them and play off them

[ornate bone]

What if I am the best player

[vocal pulsar]

I do hate crushers. I'm well aware of the power of slaughterer, but I don't like relying on it to got BPs, and the horde dies so fast these days, I feel I don't need it.

[native cargo]

babysit yourself

[left iron]

Sacrifice everyone else

[misty abyss]

Locate the 2nd best then

[ornate bone]

I already babysit myself

[native cargo]

What if I am the 2nd best

[ornate bone]

I am a baby and I am currently sitting

[lusty orbit]

i am the best. i’m him!

[small kernel]

he is not him

[native cargo]

John Darktide

[misty abyss]

[ripe quest]

I usually use Thrust/Headtaker for Mk IV and Slaught/Headtaker for Mk XII since it covers the "weakness" of each variant. What thunderous offers isn't appealing to me since I can just 1 shot Crushers on either and also get the benefit of having +power against other stuff.

[small kernel]

wrong gif

[misty abyss]

Idk if you see me ingame I can pretty consistently clear HM pubs but you won’t catch me unless it’s 7am cause I work nights, could probably carry either that or I’m too lazy to

[native cargo]

Was gonna do this in reply

I'm afraid of doing a hm pub lmao

[small kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/john-souls-moonmoon-john-souls-is-back-jack-is-back-gif-25029781

[ripe quest]

If I were to light spam Crushers on the Mk IV I could see the appeal of Headtaker/Thunderous, but I could run Slaught/Headtaker and get the same benefits against other armor types with 1-2 stacks of Slaught.

[native cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[sterile schooner]

Man hard mode is tough, got one twin down to like 20% but someone dropped then the rest of us couldn't recover

[vocal pulsar]

I run thunderous + headtaker on old chaxe and thunderous + thrust on new chaxe. It feels nice on new chaxe because I don't have to use chastise to delete crushers. I can save it for other occasions

[sterile schooner]

Relic feels very impactful when the elites are coming in but idk if I just have to git gudder

[vocal pulsar]

Which also means I don't have to wait for ult to co.e back either

[small kernel]

ye thats usually the phase where it goes to shit with all the elites

[ripe quest]

Depending on what talents you have you def don't need Thunderous for ultless Crusher 1 shots.

[left iron]

3 new psykers in auric

Barely hit 30

Blew up 5 times before we got to the run event in sycorax

[sterile schooner]

I'm not sure but it feels like if you kill enough elites during a phase eventually they'll run out and you just get chaff

[vocal pulsar]

I figured. I never tested, but figured a Marty build could do it

[small kernel]

need pretty much at least 3 players focusing elites to kill as fast as possible while last one kites boss and couple elites

[north sedge]

Either marty or momentum do it

[vocal pulsar]

Nice

[little urchin]

Decimator vs Head Taker on Caxe?

[sterile schooner]

I'll keep that in mind, we had just one guy focusing on elites and the rest of us trying to deal with the bosses, but would get too much as we went along in the fight

[vocal pulsar]

Still. I simply enjoy deleting crushers right out of the box with no requisites

[clear knot]

it good man ive been syaing

[lunar fable]

@tiny walrus that was a bad idea

[tiny walrus]

kek

[small kernel]

i managed to finish a run with pugs like 30 mins ago or so, had 2 relic, 1 ogryn and i was on chastise mk15 evis boss dmg duty

all 3 were dealing with elites while i kited bosses

[oak geyser]

Does the talent Shield of Contempt have a team wide cooldown or is every teammate's cooldown separate

[lunar fable]

that psyker died to trash melee mobs

[tiny walrus]

nah its hard without an ogryn

[lunar fable]

and then the vet walked over a billion bombs

and died

[vocal pulsar]

I feel vindicated

[tiny walrus]

xd

pubs are pubs

[lunar fable]

i was testing out pbb achlys earlier

that thing melts shields

[sterile schooner]

I'll try again in about 7hrs, just at work now. Thanks for the tips, will try and hopefully clear

[small kernel]

gl o/

[clear knot]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-old-milwaukee-beer-drink-party-gif-22890849

[sterile schooner]

[autumn vector]

I cant decide if I should try it as chorus cdr zealot with devil sword or FNP PBB achyls lugger

damnation was pretty easy even carrying pugs with NFP PBB kickback ogryn

[north sedge]

Doesn't require many stacks

[ripe quest]

All you need is Sustained Assualt up with Thrust/Headtaker with new Chaxe. Could do it easier with Judgement. Old Chaxe needs a tiny bit more stuff up but not a lot more.

[autumn vector]

Also incase ppl were unaware, thrust effects rev damage on new chain axe. @the convo above

[ripe quest]

Is that not common knowledge?

[autumn vector]

seen ppl ask about it enough where I made a clip

[ripe quest]

It affects it a bit weird tbf regarding perks but I would imagine it's the default conception of Chaxe and Thrust.

[zinc talon]

not mine so my mood is unaffected

but I saved this image because I'm gonna use it to be like 'hey, are you in a good mood? lookit dis'

[rough vault]

the karnaks are kinda hard guys im getting my butt kicked

[zinc talon]

couple tips

you can nuke one and then work down the other

their shields go blue and recharge until you knock out the shield on the other one

they can be taunted

so a shield can pull one off the group

(sword lady)

then you pop HER shield

and all turn around and melee down the other guy

so ranged shoot sword lady first, pop dudes shield after, kill one then other

[autumn vector]

I keep hadron bricks in my inventory to remind me hadrons treachery going forward.... and incase they ever let us some how fix them/turn them into plat, definitely not because im coping and surely not because I lable them all trash with some kind of expiative

[mental coral]

killing one will get the other to enrage

but the melee one is the easier of the two

[sterile schooner]

Sword lady shield feels more annoying to pop for some reason

[sand lance]

Unless you're doing Hard Mode.

In which case both Twins are already Enraged from the get go.

[mental coral]

yeah

[ripe quest]

Personal favorite strat is to obliterate the ranged twin's shield with Chaxe and then obliterate the melee twin's shield with Chaxe then I obliterate all over them with Chaxe.

[north sedge]

And don't forget to use birth control

[mental coral]

the fucking gun guy is alot more annoying

[autumn vector]

devil sword is a good tool for dealing with agro sword lady

gun guy takes 3 times the melee damage on their shield

[zinc talon]

one of them takes much less damage from ranged

the other takes much less damage from melee

that's all I'll say

[sterile schooner]

2 revved heavies can pop bro's shield but I dump 5 revolver rounds into sis' shield and it's like, a quarter?

[tiny walrus]

god... the sword lady is so hot

[polar nexus]

it's easier to keep ht up

[north sedge]

Chaxe does well either way

[tiny walrus]

id let her step on me

make me her bitch

[autumn vector]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[ornate bone]

Does hardmode also increase the ads health?

Feel like they suddenly got more tanky

[mental coral]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[tiny walrus]

no ur insane clitmato

[autumn vector]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-purge-w40k-warhammer-gif-10271501

[fallow moth]

So, when I went to unlock the bells on the tier 2 difficulty, I accidentally killed Rinda early

[tiny walrus]

always been a thing

[autumn vector]

she should respawn

[polar nexus]

with rev and 3 stacks of thrust i can one tap a crusher 99% of the time

[fallow moth]

She showed up again for the final fight, but funny enough her corpse was left behind any everything

[tiny walrus]

lol nice

[ripe quest]

yee with +Carapace it's absurdly easy.

I think Cara/Elites allows for raw 1 shots

[sand lance]

^ We were talking about the changes in Hard Mode

So, uh, yes

[fallow moth]

When their eyes flash? oofta

[sand lance]

When their eyes light up green, ye

[sterile schooner]

Question on new evi, rev lights is better for horde clear than normal lights yeah?

[sterile schooner]

At least for the first swipe I guess

[ornate bone]

Mfer who said build issue

[polar nexus]

Ogrynheimer lol

[ornate bone]

Keet

Lmao

[polar nexus]

yes dear

it was a question

[ornate bone]

Feel like my builds are fine. But the fight definitely feels team reliant.

[tiny walrus]

ogrynheimer

[polar nexus]

i did not want the question your skills

[ornate bone]

Well, they're decent enough to get the cata frame for the secret mission on vermintide

However darktide is..

[polar nexus]

not the same game

[ornate bone]

If the team sucks it's a lot harder to carry

[lunar fable]

@tiny walrus almost killed rodin just now

but my pub group was basically a 3 man

[tiny walrus]

dont pub lol

[lunar fable]

cause we had a clueless vet

[polar nexus]

i failed the twins 3 times yesterday, even tho i went all in on the support build at some point

why?

[ornate bone]

me quickplaying the auric damnation theater to watch ogrynheimer in 60 frames 3d surround sound dolby pro 7.62 stereo

[tiny walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[polar nexus]

because people started to fight elites ALONE

[ornate bone]

I only have 1 friend that plays this game

[cunning zodiac]

so like.... if your teammates die in the boss fight.. its impossible to res them lmao

[ionic turret]

penetration kinda bums me out but, eh

[native cargo]

The pub I was in got the twins down to 50% interesting

[ionic turret]

hopefully usable

[polar nexus]

agree

[misty abyss]

If your not in HM you can get a Rez on one person if you pop both their shields to stun them as you reach your captured teammates

[ornate bone]

The two things that got me the closest was crit bombing with voidstrike and new Evi chastise build

[misty abyss]

You only have like maybe 3-4 seconds before your rushed but it’s enough for one person

[polar nexus]

i went soc + critchorus dr

[ionic turret]

I've done hard mode I think 5 times between 3 groups, haven't beat it yet

[polar nexus]

that helped

[dense field]

Flamer works pretty well too

[cunning zodiac]

not with a rager AND mauler horde chasing you lmao.

zealot knife let me sprint around for a while

but that was it

[left iron]

AAAAAAA

[misty abyss]

I mean if your zealot knifing you can pick away at the elites while dodging bosses, or gun the elites down yeah

[warm rapids]

apparently the3res a bug where a vet can get no talents in the new mission

im calling bs

[ornate bone]

Well on the bright side at least each attempt at these guys doesn't take over an hour

[warm rapids]

third time atthis new mission

and that bug happened

damn i hate this

[polar nexus]

oO

[dense field]

Did that happen to your vet?

[warm rapids]

Yep

said his tree randomly cleared when we went in

was default default

like level 1 talentless

[dense field]

Probably forgot to remake their build after the tree update

[bright sky]

guys I'm new to zealot and I'm honestly hating it

Only level 10 rn but I feel like shit

[ornate bone]

complete malarkey, but do go on

oh

[bright sky]

Can I get some assurance that it gets better?

[frozen glen]

it gets better

[native cargo]

It may get better

[sand lance]

All the Classes do, in general, but Zealot yes.

[polar nexus]

what do you want to do with your zealot?

[warm rapids]

DOOM

[bright sky]

I'm not sure. Ogryn is my one and only character I've been playing.

[polar nexus]

what do you hate?

and when did you start playing?

[slate void]

God, damnation twins is fucking agonzing

4-0 on attempts so far

[native cargo]

hard mode twins will require coordination or just smart players somehow being pubbed together. But yeah that boss fight on regular damnation can be a pain

[slate void]

Nobody even bothers listening

[warm rapids]

im 0-5 rn cant get a damn team together

5 losses in a row

halfways

nope its level 3

[rough vault]

6-0 here
heresy was easy i got it 2nd try

[warm rapids]

people wanna be action heroes and not teammates

[slate void]

1st try on heresy
Damnation, nothing doing

[warm rapids]

some dude wiped cause he needed a tiktok film

[rough vault]

ive gotten rediculously close twice

but boo womp

[polar nexus]

main character syndrome\

[polar nexus]

????

[native cargo]

I usually take the role of making sure Rodin is down because I like bullying him with my chaxe.

[slate void]

I had a veteran call me slurs because he tried to 1v1 the sword twin and died immediately

[tiny walrus]

XD

[native cargo]

gimme your lunch money rodin

[ionic turret]

how's this look for crucis?

[tiny walrus]

was his name "John"

[slate void]

David

[ionic turret]

er wait

[slate void]

Always the Veteran players who are the loser culture war tourists

[native cargo]

There is a list of approved slurs and the only one in it is "Freak, Mutant, Xenos, Heretic, Witch, and Daemon."

If they aren't using those words then they're un-pog

[tiny walrus]

my bad

[polar nexus]

good

[tiny walrus]

ah it was Jones not John

this guy wild

[polar nexus]

you could also go right and get tg on dodges

[slate void]

Nah he wasn't even in voice

[polar nexus]

still better than ewew

[tiny walrus]

im white

i didnt even say shit i just have a black character lol

[slate void]

He had plenty of time to call me transphobic shit because he was dead the whole fight

[rough vault]

absolutely worst kind of person

[ionic turret]

yea this is a solid idea

[north sedge]

Take away left and go down right for second wind

[zealous basin]

eermhrm

[polar nexus]

you'll need tolose the point from 10% attacke speed

[ionic turret]

more along the lines of this?

[polar nexus]

but with momentum it's ok

[ornate bone]

Of course I get the fucking garbage frame drop on the new mission

[ionic turret]

I'm alright losing attack speed w/momentum yea

[ornate bone]

Because I can't play one fucking first mission without horrid frame drops

[polar nexus]

that's basically the lazorr's build

[ionic turret]

ha wicked, thanks for the tips fellas

[slate void]

Honestly yeah, focusing Rodin down seems like the smart strat because

• his bombs are fucking brutal
• his sister will come TO YOU after Rodin's shield pops

[polar nexus]

you could try to switch holy rev to more dmg when 0 stam

if you are confident enough

[slate void]

But nah everyone likes to chase the sword twin around the map while Rodin sits across it and puts landmines down everywhere

[ionic turret]

This is a pretty good thought actually, I don't get much out of holy rev tbh when I'm playing cautiously

[torn stream]

well I just did Orthus Offensive with my Vet main friend and he Did Not Like It (TM)

[ionic turret]

I might sit on rev until I'm more comfortable with the hammer, this will be my first real go with it

[polar nexus]

it's very helpful when you're doing a lot of push attacks

[ionic turret]

I'm kind of used to intentionally depleting stamina on my vet via deadshot to get the most out of all or nothing, so that's sort of a natural thought process for me

[ornate bone]

Also apparently people who go down have to spawn at the end of the map or something?

[dense field]

Looks ok.

[slate void]

I think trying to do damnation with a 17 movement Heavy Evis isn't helping

[copper hawk]

Gyg

[polar nexus]

meow

[copper hawk]

Maooow

[hollow ember]

regarding bloodthirsty how is it utilized? is the melee attack meaning it can be another special attack? or only auto/primary that gets the crit?

[sand lance]

Secret/Hard Mode Karnak Twins has people who Die respawn in a caged off part of the map.

So if you die, you can't be picked back up for the rest of the Fight.

[copper hawk]

[polar nexus]

i think you just chain rev to one tap elites

[copper hawk]

Next melee, proc'd by a rev'd kill

[ornate bone]

I don't even know how to activate hard mode tbh

[copper hawk]

It's useless

[sterile schooner]

As long as you rev, can be light rev too I think

[copper hawk]

Plz dont use it

[native cargo]

Brap twins

[sterile schooner]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[polar nexus]

i am not that confident to rev all the time tbh

[hollow ember]

i have this and someone told me to put bloodthirsty instead of savage sweep

[polar nexus]

i smell twincest from them

[copper hawk]

Evil

Evil evil evil

[polar nexus]

savage sweep is kinda lost on the 15

[hollow ember]

yea but not sure what to replace it with

[native cargo]

[polar nexus]

because the lights have a cleave cap of 4

[hollow ember]

ohhh

[untold carbon]

Shred and go for blazing piety?

[hollow ember]

didn't know that

[dense field]

Shred?

[copper hawk]

Replace it with shred snd make a crit build

[polar nexus]

this or momentum

[sterile schooner]

Bloodthirsty let's you heavy rev elites one after the other

[polar nexus]

oh btw

[sand lance]

Guides are already up for it:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

But as long as someone in your Strike Team has rung the bells, you have access to the Teleporter Shrine/Bell that activates Hard Mode, IIRC

[polar nexus]

you do not need to go piety

[hollow ember]

i have also been told that mk XV doesn't work with blazing 😦

[ornate bone]

Yeah, I think we weren't on hard mode, but somehow got caged

[polar nexus]

you can stop at crit cdr

[copper hawk]

I dunno how 2 beat hardmode

[ornate bone]

Because this looks way too complex for a single dude to do in like 2 minutes

[native cargo]

What if the hard mode is the friends you coupda made along the way

[hollow ember]

but from what u guys are saying seems like crit is the way to go with shred

[tiny walrus]

u want help

[copper hawk]

How long does this event last

[dense field]

It already does that without bloodthirsty

[native cargo]

*I wanna beat hard mode tooooo

[untold carbon]

True, but I just really like getting 3k crits every game

[native cargo]

Yeah that ig discord

[polar nexus]

for the foreseable future

[tiny walrus]

2 ogryn 1 vet 1 zealot is what worked for me

without any downs

[polar nexus]

i get more value from momentum than just crits

because they do fuck all dmg on evis

[sand lance]

As in they're in an unreachable part of the map (As opposed to being too busy trying not to die)? Then you guys were definitely doing Hard Mode.

I distinctly recall that first Damnation Run dying multiple times but my Strike Team grabbed me after I respawned.

[copper hawk]

crits arent rlly about damage

it's about procing things

[ornate bone]

Weird

[copper hawk]

u run a crit build for piety ult reduction and getting cdr

[ornate bone]

I think the new mission might be getting the buggy-wuggies then

[polar nexus]

i know

[sand lance]

Could be, I might be just dumb in explaining or just plain wrong 😅

[royal vortex]

stan made every attempt at hard mode more uncomfortable than the last because he quite enjoyed the twins' accents

[sand lance]

But as far as I know, you can pick up Respawned Teammates who died in the regular version

[native cargo]

I could be the zealot if you wanna try for it. I've been trying it for a bit in pubs for practice and the furthest I've gotten is 50% on both twins since yee

[ornate bone]

No way the other guy with me did the whole thing by the time we reached the third bell

[hollow ember]

had to look through the pins to check what Crit CDR meant but found it lol, will try invocation of death

with shred

[left iron]

[ornate bone]

Because it was the third bell

[copper hawk]

so if i do the bell puzzle

and then die

at hard mode

do i haz 2 redo it

https://tenor.com/view/mymy-ongezellig-gif-1683006882083517070

every time

[sterile schooner]

You can clear hard mode on a lower difficulty to unlock the teleport bells

[warm rapids]

FINALLY FINISHED THE MISSION

[sand lance]

^

[copper hawk]

ooohg

didnt think of that

[sand lance]

That's what me and Temper did

[copper hawk]

i thought hard mode was only available on damnation

interdestin..

maow maow..

[polar nexus]

that's what i use with nuvis (i alternate with and without swift certainty... don't really need tg on dodge tbh)

[native cargo]

Damn cat

[hollow ember]

ty 😄

[polar nexus]

i spam chastise all the time with that and a rampage shred nuvis

[sterile schooner]

I'll be attempting more hard mode in about 6hrs btw if you're online around that time. Just at work atm

[hollow ember]

gonna try this build next mission

[sterile schooner]

You can only get the last trinket on damnation but hard mode is available on lower difficulties

[warm rapids]

what does third bell mean

[sand lance]

If I'm available, ye. Good luck either way. 🫡

[neat hatch]

wonder if hardon is going to shit on me

[polar nexus]

probably

[copper hawk]

i'll try it on malice or zomethin

[left iron]

You already jinxed it by asking, so might as well hold X

[lunar fable]

[polar nexus]

nah, don't

[lunar fable]

good luck

[hollow ember]

sorry but what is nuvis, couldn't find it in the pinned acronyms 😅

[copper hawk]

i already did damnation twins

[polar nexus]

it's easy as fuck until the last boss

[copper hawk]

but i want the teleporter bellz

[lean lark]

hard mode is only on damnatoon

[sterile schooner]

New eviscerator

[neat hatch]

already threw it in the trash

[copper hawk]

havin 2 redo the puzzle is gonna make me inzane

[polar nexus]

new evis, the 15

[hollow ember]

I am new so to me old and new are the same

[sterile schooner]

Nah we unlocked bell teleport on uprising last night

[sand lance]

Me and Temper did it on Diff 2, finished that run, then came back on Damnation with the Teleport Shrine available

^^^

[hollow ember]

ah gotcha ty

[lean lark]

Oh Theresa shrine?

[sand lance]

Right in front of the start location for the mission, assuming at least one person in your Strike Team has rang the Bells already

[dense field]

There are four important parts of the fight:

• Elite clearing
• Popping both twins' shields at the same time
• Clearing Rodin's mines
• Moving through the gas
  Failing to do any of this very quick means failure.
  

[sterile schooner]

Wish you could shoot the mines

[sand lance]

^

That would help so much

[copper hawk]

last we did it we got pretty far

as a bunch of randoms

then again i was playin dr ogryn w tness on heavy

[left iron]

I havent done the hardmode yet, waiting for frens who can only play during the weekend

[dense field]

A flamer+chastise is a very effective elite clear for this stage, you should try it

It's a short mission so you won't miss not having a real ranged weapon

[polar nexus]

i had some succes with a kant shogun too

and flechette on it

[ashen prairie]

yeah and it's not hi-int special onslaught with extra dogs or something

[sterile schooner]

I've been considering bringing a smite purgatus psyker and just going all in on horde clear and elite cc

[ashen prairie]

Seen flamers used very well to just clear stuff during gas phases

[sand lance]

The lead-up to the final fight is relatively tame compared to even regular Damnation, let alone Auric

It's the final fight, especially on Hard Mode, which will bust your balls

[spare talon]

oh yeah does anyone know if you keep the hard mode bells if youve beaten hard mode using someone elses bell

[torn stream]

can confirm, my flamer works great there

[sterile schooner]

I THINK as long as you got the achievement for it you should have the teleport bell? Can't say I've tested it tho

[torn stream]

I typically use half a mag, dip behind my team, use another half mag, switch sides using Chastise, toss a nade to cover my team's advance if it's the last one of the phase

[sand lance]

I think so? I did Bells with Temper yesterday and still had access to the Shrine when I LFGed a few hours ago with some other guys.

[copper hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166785409938903211/1184747775968157756/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converted.gif?ex=658d1959&is=657aa459&hm=46ca32081ddae2158962373ff31bea8ae98367145f072a5de58b29814697d717&

[polar nexus]

immonade?

[torn stream]

(I also reload before the second half-mag)

[torn stream]

ye

I like immonade the best because I feel more free to use it than I ever did with the Stun nade, so my theory is that by using it to keep bad situations from happening in the first place (by murdering everything) I won't have to do giga-clutch shit with the Stun nade

plus it hits the most nodes that I like

[copper hawk]

lmfao i lvoe this

[torn stream]

this is the current build

it's been working VERY well for me, I'm damn near invincible and I still hit a lot of the things that I need to in order to do solid TH damage

[polar nexus]

does the crit cdr help you?

[torn stream]

yes actually! Especially in horde situations because a single heavy will refill like 3/4 of the ult

meaning that I've got even better mobility, survivability, control, and damage in horde situations

[polar nexus]

with a thammer?

[torn stream]

yes

[polar nexus]

i need to try that

[torn stream]

the Crucis doesn't have great horde clear, but the control's phenomenal

[sullen eagle]

hows agri revolver

[torn stream]

especially now that I'm spamming ults out so fast

and with like a 30% crit chance at almost 100% uptime

[polar nexus]

the new one?

[sullen eagle]

ya

[polar nexus]

fun but not better than the old one

[torn stream]

also, I just wanna say I think it's hilarious and emblematic that a Zealot main (me) loves the new boss fight to pieces because it's so chaotic and fighting Rinda is like a mirror match, while a Vet main (my friend) absolutely hates it because it's so chaotic and because fighting Rinda is like he's up against a Zealot

[sullen eagle]

ik sharpshooter is really good on the revolver but are there options for a quickdraw revolver

[rough vault]

i finally beat damnation karnak now i need to do hard mode

gonna kms

[torn stream]

I've only cleared the fight two times total so far, both on Damnation

the second one was so incredibly smooth because we had 3 Zealots, each one sporting a different ult lmao

[polar nexus]

hand cannon + crucian if you want relatively easy access to armor dmg

[cerulean pike]

revolver is just good in general

[polar nexus]

sustained fire + trickshooter / speedload is fun

[cerulean pike]

also which revolver are you talking about

cause both of them are called quickdraw

the agri or zarona

[tiny walrus]

agrippa and zarona

agrippa is pew pew pew

[sterile schooner]

Congrats, hard mode is so much worse

[tiny walrus]

zaropna is PEW PEW PEW

glhf

[torn stream]

Orthus Offensive in a nutshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poq8WRHS-n0

[rough vault]

i know

[sullen eagle]

by quickdraw i mean draw, dome a sniper, back to killing horde

[polar nexus]

middle middle tree has some nices talents for gunslinging

[cerulean pike]

you can just do that with a grey revolver

[sterile schooner]

That's basically the zarona

[cerulean pike]

that's just
the revolver

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-cowboy-gun-beer-fire-gif-11920748

[placid lily]

Mornin zealot chat

[sullen eagle]

issue is i dont wanna wait a second and a half for sharpshooter

cant do that if im in a horde

[cerulean pike]

you

you don't need a second and a half

[sterile schooner]

If you're a good shot you can bean a sniper 30m away in half a second and go back to fighting the horde

[placid lily]

Allow me to bless you with a YouTube video

https://youtu.be/YdsKrYBONno?si=2-ewH2YnvnvkNayV

[sterile schooner]

With a good enough revolver you don't need the crit to body a sniper

[sullen eagle]

im talking abt sharpshooter blessing

[cerulean pike]

you mean
surgical

[sullen eagle]

yeah that one

[cerulean pike]

and you don't even need a crit to bean a sniper

??????

[sterile schooner]

Yeah sniper dies to a body shot with a good dmg roll revolver

[cerulean pike]

or just a headshot

the crit is really there to enable hand-cannon which

doesn't apply to snipers anyways

you're doing the surgical hand-cannon combo for armored targets like crushers, scab ragers, maulers

stuff that has armor.

anything else just the standard BANG from revolver just
works

[sullen eagle]

ah ok

[lunar fable]

@tiny walrus so close

[sterile schooner]

I got em to around that too before my team started going down one by one

Hard mode is hard

[lunar fable]

We got that far with a 3 man pretty much

[plucky gate]

okay gonna build the new evis
Are there any breakpoints i can reach with shredder or is it safe to just dump it?

[cerulean pike]

dont know but still keep getting shredder

[sterile schooner]

Shredder is a big part of your rev damage. Don't dump it

[autumn vector]

are the new bosses unyielding or something else?

[rocky igloo]

carapace head and flak rest if i'm not mistaken

[cerulean pike]

yes

[sterile schooner]

Helm definitely carapace, body is either unyielding or flak not 100% sure

[cerulean pike]

mauler body type

[sterile schooner]

I've heard both mentioned

[cerulean pike]

carapace head flak everything

alike the captain with no unyielding

[ornate bone]

For the new eviscerator I'm nearly sure the dump stat is cleave targets

[rocky igloo]

for sure head is carapace i can tell you that much

[cerulean pike]

dump stat is still mobility

[ornate bone]

With the high number by default and it having a damage cap of 4

Real gamer shit

[worn ibex]

which of these is the better choice?

[steel temple]

cara helm, flak bodies

and more health than plogryn

making them the hardest boss fight in the game

[polar nexus]

neither you want at least one power blessing

[lean lark]

nah

[steel temple]

for now you can just use the evis, but you are not level 30 yet

Don't waste your resources upgrading weapons to gold

[polar nexus]

so rampage on evis and rampage headtaker on hsword

[steel temple]

When u are gonna get free gifts that have better stats anyways

you're gonna regret pumping plasteel to raise these weapons before long

[lean lark]

they noob n shit!

bosses are tolerable when you don't have a knife stealth zealot activating the bombs behind you

[worn ibex]

i got the heavy sword as a gift and upgraded the evis coz its fun

had the evis for 6 runs, done me well so far

[kindred trout]

F

[polar nexus]

it's ok

[wraith helm]

[polar nexus]

punishing to dumdum, and sprint to flak / maniac

[cerulean pike]

wow that's a garbage columnus

[polar nexus]

the critical hit chance is not a dead perk on the columnus

[steep flame]

hardmode sucks in pubs because nobody shoots rinda

[polar nexus]

and sustained fire is ok if you burst a lot

[sullen eagle]

are chaxes and evisc able to keep up with thammer horde clear now?

[steep flame]

thammer has terrible horde clear compared to the og evisc

[lunar fable]

That's why I started bringing my ogryn

[steep flame]

ver funny

[sullen eagle]

lemme rephrase that

[lunar fable]

Point blank fire stacks with achlys melts rinda's shield

[sullen eagle]

thammer crowd control

[polar nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376

[sullen eagle]

so far the only weapon that tops thammer crowd control is slab shield imo

[wraith helm]

Yeah. by killing them

[cerulean pike]

slab shield kills hordes

thammer just impacts them

and (old) evis has always been better at hordes than thammer

i have no opinions on new evis on horde stuff

[steep flame]

its pretty mid

[polar nexus]

it did well the first time i used it

[steep flame]

its not terrible its just annoying that it can only hit 4 enemies

[sullen eagle]

that was fixed??

[polar nexus]

yeah but if you kill them 4 by 4 it's ok

[sullen eagle]

ok so, out of the 2 chaxes and 2 evisc which is best horde clear

[cerulean pike]

old evis

[sterile schooner]

Old evi for sure

[cerulean pike]

i mean it can hit more than 4

[sullen eagle]

Tigrus MkII?

[cerulean pike]

just can only damage 4

[sterile schooner]

Yep mk2

The chainaxes are serviceable at best for horde clear I'd say

[cerulean pike]

chainaxes are ok at horde clear now

[sterile schooner]

Yeah they're ok at it, but definitely not good

[gilded jasper]

Twins got hands damn

[sullen eagle]

this ok for Evisc+Rolver?

[cerulean pike]

take ewew off put it in duelist

[sullen eagle]

got it

[cerulean pike]

then you're pree much set i'd say

EWEW isn't good enough to just get it straight up.

only reason people get it is cause it's just a travel node to either vicious offering or bleed for the emperor

[restive trench]

new hardmode twins win

[gilded jasper]

I get overwhelmed by the in between hordes, using rashad, any tips?

[sullen eagle]

whats the horde combo for old evisc

[gilded jasper]

Any tips other than git gud*

[cerulean pike]

are you light spamming

[sterile schooner]

Heavy - light, can put in a push attack in there too

[cerulean pike]

i just light spam
some do heavy - light and push attack sometimes cause push attack on old evis is good

[ornate bone]

Methinks the twins fight isn't exactly made for heavier stuff with shit mobility

Doing that with an eviscerator is painful

[polar nexus]

What's the target cap for them?

[cerulean pike]

sounds like a skill issue

[cerulean pike]

i 'on fukin know. I just know they actually do damage to hordes now

[polar nexus]

Duelist for the evis? How do you play that, dodge chastise hit?

[drowsy steppe]

You are

[polar nexus]

I don't see the point of duellist with the evis when the Crit DMG are meh

[cerulean pike]

i mean they're going piety

so might as well just
get more damage off of it

[torn stream]

Hey question: has anyone done/seen parody art of the Karnak Twins in the style of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley yet? I know it's inevitable, I just wanna know if anyone's seen it yet

[polar nexus]

Compared to good balance which is just busted

Ok

[clear notch]

dodging any attack and going for weakspot hits

[polar nexus]

Yeah but with the evis it feels kinda clunky

[clear notch]

it doesn't

[cerulean pike]

it doesnt

you just dont use the evis well

[clear notch]

with the attack speed chastise gives you, it won't

if you're not used to how slow it is

hold h1, wait until more enemies are within reach so you can abuse the cleave it gives you

dodge while you're winding up h1

[polar nexus]

I didn't know there was one way of using the evis

[cerulean pike]

there is
using it well
and using it badly

[polar nexus]

You talking about the og one?

[clear notch]

mk2

if an h1 rolls a crit you're gaining a lot of cdr

[polar nexus]

I only used the MK2 once, so I was thinking about the mk15

[clear notch]

thought the person said old evis

[polar nexus]

I may have missed that

[clear notch]

ye old evis

[polar nexus]

Yeah missed that part

[cerulean pike]

mk15 is even easier to hit weakpoints with tbh

at least that's how it was for me when i used it first time

[clear notch]

perfectly horizontal lights

[cerulean pike]

strikedown pilled

[clear notch]

you don't need to do weird angles

[steep flame]

its just impossible to revive any team mates if your the last one alive on the twins boss fight right?

[polar nexus]

I am willing to try that but I have enough Crit cdr and the DMG is good but not game breaking

[clear notch]

and overhead heavies

[polar nexus]

Compared to duellist on a hsword

[steep flame]

without like emperors cloak or smoke grenades

[clear notch]

unless you're an ogryn

[steep flame]

right

good to know there was nothing i could do

[clear notch]

stealth or stagger immunity

[cerulean pike]

you can probably clutch one out if you take out the ranged one's shield

[native cargo]

If you're lucky and take both down somehow you have like 3-4 ish seconds to clutch a revive but that's like on top of the elites and shit

[steep flame]

true actually

i was very very close to reviving one of them

[native cargo]

Literally a tough clutch

[candid nest]

There is a hard mode?

[polar nexus]

A psyker with KD and some Stam could probably do it too

[cerulean pike]

yes

[crisp plaza]

Shit the twins are hard

Wtf

[cerulean pike]

gotta do a bell puzzle thing for it

[steep flame]

its a secret puzzle thing

[candid nest]

ooooo!

[cerulean pike]

Basically turns it into auric twins fight

[candid nest]

so uhhh...any tips for bell puzzle secret thing?

[dense field]

Heavy-light
Heavy-light-light-light can work too

[steep flame]

i just spam lights

[candid nest]

that works for new combo

^new evic

[steep flame]

works for old aswell

[native cargo]

Spam lights if you gotta shove or maybe push attack

[steep flame]

true

the push attack is good too

[cerulean pike]

if you have to shove
might as well make it a push attack

other than that
i just spam lights

[steep flame]

my drilla

[slate void]

Btw does anyone know how long this event will last

[native cargo]

15 million ragers charging at you and all you got to say is "dodge shove attack?"

"Yes."

[polar nexus]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

[native cargo]

"For the foreseeable future" so for a while until they decide what to do about Zola's fat head in the mission terminal ig

[cerulean pike]

this is when i pull out the blicky

mag dump time

[polar nexus]

zola is fat?

[native cargo]

Have you seen her head in the mission terminal? It's huge

[slate void]

Well that's unsatisfyingly vague

[native cargo]

Literally the size of a hab block

[native cargo]

The glock is blessed by the emperor

[polar nexus]

wait, no... pics?

[polar nexus]

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-ballin-teste-niko-ballin-gif-26110464

[steep flame]

its not that big

[native cargo]

It's giant like real huge

[steep flame]

its tiny and in the corner

[steel temple]

It is already on the subreddit

[native cargo]

It made me laugh

[steel temple]

If you wanna go look at it

[steep flame]

someone made one in chat

[native cargo]

It's in the corner but that head be big

[native cargo]

HI YAAAN

[steep flame]

flavaflavius' art

[steel temple]

Rinda is totally the top anyways

[slate void]

Honestly I'm debating just switching back to Fury Crit Zealot rather than the Big Wound version

[steel temple]

hi Rat

[hollow ember]

I really love the duration of the twins mission, hope we see more compacted and short missions in the future

[steep flame]

i wanna lay my head in mummy karnaks lap

[slate void]

THE EMPEROR DEMANDS YOU STOP WITH THE INCEST

[hollow ember]

just tried normal mission after spamming twins and it feels way too long lol

[sacred vessel]

hows the new mission?

[steep flame]

its perfectly heretical though

[steep flame]

incest

[hollow ember]

my favorite so far

[native cargo]

That is heresy.

[sacred vessel]

planning on taking a break from DT, i'd say after 1k hrs thats ok

[ivory marlin]

Zealot chat I haven’t played much recently i got a question

Tf are the stims

[sacred vessel]

potions from VT2

[steep flame]

drugs :3

[ivory marlin]

I never played vt2

[sacred vessel]

oh

uhm

[ivory marlin]

But specifically what do they do

[ivory marlin]

Oh thank you

[hollow ember]

stole it from veteran chat 😛

[ivory marlin]

Lmao

[native cargo]

One drug makes you dumb, another smart, another stinky, and another kinda special

[ivory marlin]

I see

[cerulean pike]

celerity is cocaine

medi is lean

concentration is adderall

[native cargo]

Sometimes i chastise after using celerity just to show the randoms how fast a zealot can go. Also to show them how to waste their resources and ability effectively

[mystic ether]

Med Stimm

Restores one health segment, or 25% of max health, whichever one is larger, of health and corruption damage.
Med stimms can’t be used on a target, on one self or other players, if the target has no health or corruption damage to restore. 

Combat Stimm

Lasts 15 seconds.
Increase in Power 25% (Damage + Stagger Strength).
Rending 25% (Armour Penetration).
Reduction of Peril Generation -33% (Generate less Peril when using Psyker’s Warp Abilities).

Celerity Stimm

Lasts 15 seconds.
Increase in Reload Speed 15%.
Reduction in Stamina Costs -25% for Pushing, Blocking, -50% for sprinting.
Increases Attack Speed by 20%.
Increase the following by 25%:

Charge up time of Plasma guns, Psyker’s Brain Burst and Psyker Staves.
The speed of which the Psyker’s Smite propagates between enemies.
Speed of which the Psyker can throw Shards using Assail.
Speed of which the Psyker Quells their Peril.

Concentration Stimm

Lasts 15 seconds.
Increases your Combat Ability Cooldown Regeneration speed by +300% (Four times as fast as usual).

[native cargo]

So I did trepanning on the psyker and that mfer really did have some demons

[ivory marlin]

Woah

Hey im usually a local psyker

Yippee

[mystic ether]

Looked up "darktide stimm" and found a link to the direct content info drop.
https://www.playdarktide.com/news/the-traitor-curse-part-ii

[ornate bone]

Flesh tearer and uncanny strike really ate that fucking boss alive

[sullen eagle]

this any good at all

[ornate bone]

Funny how rending makes DoTs do something

Penetration is a bit low, but otherwise pretty nice

[torn stream]

Oh my god it's perfect

[cerulean pike]

pen kinda low

mobility being under 50 is fine for me, but you might want the dodge count so i'd probably say no

[copper hawk]

i hate this so much

[steep flame]

I need the girl smell

[steep flame]

No

[severe mantle]

Thanks!

[steep flame]

Prolly shouldve asked before i reposted it

Soz

[severe mantle]

No need! It's a meme; I didn't even sign the thing. Send it everywhere lol.

[torn stream]

Oh it's you who made it! Stellar work on some peak content :D

[crisp plaza]

How tf do you deal with the maulers

Holy shit

You got 400 pox walkers not letting you move

2 bosses

And like 80 maulers

On the new mission

[severe mantle]

Thanks! To be fair, hardly an original idea; I was just the first to get it drawn lol.

I'm sure someone else would've done the same.

[celest cave]

Take kantrael shotty/immolation nades/flamer

Burn everything down.

[crisp plaza]

I tried with a flamer and the crucis

Was doing good damage but holy shit

[celest cave]

Well, best is when you kill melee boss so fight not that annoying, but cooperation is hard you know.

[crisp plaza]

Yeah that mission seems like more for premade idk

There was a knife zealot with us a#doing Jack

[celest cave]

It's doable with pugs, but they need to know how to melee.

Wich is big lottery nowadays.

Like, if pugs just can survive it's enough to carry their arses.

[crisp plaza]

I can’t believe they also added trappers to that boss horde

Fucking annoying

I can hardly see anything

Anyway gonna try again

[celest cave]

Are you doing hard mode or just regular damnation?

[quiet parrot]

i love getting thrusted into the middle of a horde, alone. :D

i joined and it was all bots lol

[bleak sigil]

rip

[spark ember]

i believe there is not much diff between 10 and 11 right?

[torn stream]

I mean fair, still peak content though, and you've got that as a claim to fame

[lean lark]

no

even a 0.01 decimal rounds your cleave to the next number

so you have 11 cleave on that

[spark ember]

ohhh

thats how it works

then its fine i guess

[bleak sigil]

Is there a meta build yet for twins hard mode for zealot?

[severe mantle]

Ty : )

Honestly, it was fun to draw. I mainly do 3d work so I'm not that great at it. (My big recent project is doing 360° renders of areas from my Dark Heresy campaign, so that my players can basically be there when we play over tabletop sim)

[torn stream]

Oh shit that's cool! Tabletop Sim is a really fun tool

[severe mantle]

I also trained an ai model to make batches of NPC portraits. Not as impressive as stuff I've drawn myself, but excellent for my players. I put them on little cards so my players have a reference for people they meet.

[slate geyser]

I've found most success with knife, corrupt heal aura, chorus and Fury to crit CDR your chorus

corrupt heal aura and chorus make hard more a lot more manageable

[bleak sigil]

Okay that's what I'll be running, thanks!

[slate geyser]

chain weapons demolish their shields but I've found knives to be safer

[torn stream]

Oh cool! I'm normally against AI-generated art, but using it to generate NPC portraits for TTRPG campaigns has to be one of the most constructive ways I've seen it put to use

[bleak sigil]

hmm, what about gun wise? anything special?

[torn stream]

Kudos for taking a tool normally used for shitty ends and using it to breathe life into your world :)

[slate geyser]

found OG revolver to work best, just use it for special sniping

[severe mantle]

I'd prefer to draw it myself, but with how random, no-name side characters have a tendency to become recurring, named ones, it's useful to have a way to rapidly generate portraits of them.

[torn stream]

Ye, absolutely

[slate geyser]

knife can handle bosses and elites, for hordes you either run bloodletter OG knife or you use the new knife and go wild

[bleak sigil]

kk

[slate geyser]

the hordes even on hard mode are easy it's the elites and bosses that are painful

[celest cave]

Anything you comfortable with. As any other boss fight it's about cooperation. So you rely on your teammates a lot. You can try flamer and immolation nades so you better deal with trash during fight + it's decent vs bosses.

[torn stream]

I absolutely love flamer + immo nades

Btw what's the consensus on immo nades in general content?

[slate geyser]

they're pretty commonly regarded as the best

[celest cave]

Well, it kills everything except crushers.

[bleak sigil]

just all round useful

[slate geyser]

tbh all the blitz are good if they fit your build

[swift hearth]

hammer flamer or zarona/shotgun with carapace perk

[torn stream]

Oh shit really? I would've thought the stun nades were still considered better typically

[slate geyser]

the best CC is murder

[swift hearth]

flamer if you're sweeping the annoying meat shields

[torn stream]

Yeah true

[swift hearth]

but hammer will delete the twin's energy shields

[torn stream]

God-Emperor bless the classic Hammer/Flamer combo 🙏

Oh by the way I composed a small prayer that I've taken to saying at the start of Orthus Offensive runs

[bleak sigil]

gotcha

[topaz flame]

so whats optimal blessing/perks for Crucis?

[ornate bone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a64d1ae-c748-44f5-add9-f17fcb0470d3/auric-maelstrom-one-hit-kill-bosses

[bleak sigil]

from what I hear twins are just upgraded maulers

[swift hearth]

its kicking my ass but its kinda like "oh yeah maybe my reaction time with the specials aren't as good as i thought"

[celest cave]

Why carapace? I bet base armor is flak and only heads have carapace. So you don't really want to aim their heads.

[copper hawk]

i love gettin thrusted 2

oh

wait..

erm

!

[swift hearth]

some people have been saying their heads are carapace idk, there's been all sort of mixed information

but fursure melee does more damage to them

[copper hawk]

erm

[topaz flame]

tyvm, iv tried the twins and tho i love my evisci the swings and rev damage take far too long to be effective so im looking at options

[copper hawk]

thammer

crucis thammer

it's what u

need

[torn stream]

"May the God-Emperor grant us fleetness of foot, that we may stay ahead of the Enemy's onslaught.
Strength of arm to crush their vile armor.
And surety of aim, that we might sever the snake's head from its neck.
To Him on Terra do we dedicate this victory.
In His name we pray."

[copper hawk]

2 ogryns and 2 zeals, both zeals w thammers

[autumn vector]

Lol the worst part about trying to do the hardmode with pugs

is the fact that they hit the bells

[copper hawk]

or 1 zeal w a thammer and 1 vet w sl revive everynya perk

[autumn vector]

and it seems to break

unless just one pwerson is doing it

[copper hawk]

pwerson

[torn stream]

pwerson

[copper hawk]

[autumn vector]

thats right pwerson

[ornate bone]

just unlock fast travel in easy mode

[autumn vector]

i wonder if I could just

get a sedition

solo lol

or malice

or whatever it is

[autumn vector]

But good idea ty

[severe mantle]

@torn stream accept my DM and I'll show you the TTS ones, they aren't really darktide related so I don't want to post them in here

[torn stream]

Aye aye

[autumn vector]

so all I need to do to unlock the instant teleport is what, do the bells beat the boss extract?

[copper hawk]

yah

[sand lance]

Yes, on any difficulty.

[copper hawk]

but if ur in a lobby w randoms who haven't beat hardmode yet, then u can't use the tele bells

[drowsy anchor]

apparently the boss skip i experience from the twin was the secret right bell skip

so thats how that fight feels

i wont be enjoying that for a while lol

[sand lance]

I think if you've already done the Bells and completed that Run, you and anyone in a Strike Team you're in can use the Teleport?

[drowsy anchor]

no uh

[sand lance]

I... am not sure about that

[drowsy anchor]

i had a run where i dont see any bells

so

i believe you def have to have a team with people who cleared >

?

[autumn vector]

I mean what are the chances of me finding pugs who have all beat the hardmode/

or done the bells lol

[ornate bone]

yes if you finish the hardmode even in lowest difficutly u get the fast travel bell in all

[drowsy anchor]

i havent done the bell

i think

yeah i def havent done the secret hard mode

only damnation

[ornate bone]

no just u need it or anybody

[drowsy anchor]

oh at least 1 who have done the hard mode ?

[sand lance]

Odd, maybe.

Because every single run of the Karnak Twins after I did the Bells with a LFG Group here had the Teleport Shrine/Bells available.

[drowsy anchor]

that explain it then

[autumn vector]

can others hit the bell or does it break with when others do? Cause it seems like when more than one person hits bells it just breaks it

[ornate bone]

yes in any difficulty and u gett the fast travelk in all difficultys into the hardmode

[drowsy anchor]

bell can break ?

[autumn vector]

well i just did one where I was hitting them

and some psyker came along and started hitting them behind me

and it was normal mode after that

[ornate bone]

its 2 new bells right at the start. 1 is for non hardmode tp one for hardmode tp all have to hit any one of the 2 once all 4 hit it its tp

[tame mirage]

squee

[sand lance]

Nope, the bells don't break. If someone else hits a bell, you gotta count that towards the number of times you hit that bell.

So easy enough for a bunch of pubs to hit a bell too many times

[drowsy anchor]

did you hit the right one or the left one

[ornate bone]

i just ping it in pubs and all hit it

[drowsy anchor]

i think the left bell is normal, right is hard

[autumn vector]

reeeee

[drowsy anchor]

i dont get it

[sand lance]

The LFG Group I ran Bells with had a Designated Bell Hitter, IIRC

[autumn vector]

is that in this discord? LFG group or?