veteran-class

[hard lake]

it was way easier in Vermintide

i keep getting 290 - 310 power weapons from Brant

despite having 500 power weapon and max mastery for said weapon

[hollow ibex]

the power level means nothing tbf

[agile forge]

Just pump them at hadron once they're perfectable

[hollow ibex]

it's a totally misleading stat

[hard lake]

oh

[hollow ibex]

all you have to look at is potential

and make sure the potential max stats have the correct dump

[hard lake]

i see

[hollow ibex]

so you can max it out once you level the wepaon

[hard lake]

dump?

[hollow ibex]

yeah for example a lot of weapons want 80 in every stat, but 60 in mobility or defnese

so mobility/defense is often the dumpstat

because it's the least valuable stat

so you want to max out everything else

and min the dump stat

[hard lake]

ah

[kind timber]

Why would you run ranged zealot??

[tidal fox]

??

[kind timber]

seems counter intuitive

[tidal fox]

who is running ranged zealot

[kind timber]

scroll up

[hollow ibex]

talking about vet

[kind timber]

ahh

[hollow ibex]

ranged zealot isn't really a thing yeah

[silver patrol]

if you are a coward

[kind timber]

cant wait to make my relic sword build

[tame lodge]

Because Fatshark gave you ranged bonuses on your tree

And Fatshark knows what they are doing

[fair shale]

I saw those once and went "who the actual fuck is using this?"

[tame lodge]

Gun zealot

Gunlot

We still working on the name

Zun

[fair shale]

"gunzealot"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-tucker-son-giftok-im-crine-slow-walk-gif-10770380443166414376

[fair shale]

Sounds like

"guns a lot'

[surreal rune]

voice of terra wasnt worth it before the rework and it still isnt worth it now

[silver patrol]

sir gunzealot

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/philomena-cunk-cunk-on-earth-cunk-on-britain-diane-morgan-mockumentary-gif-10805236303463439747

[pallid jetty]

he... gunz a lot...

[hard lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

the way he turns around is very funny to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cAnlZ1U1Mg

[kind timber]

can you only get MKVII shotguns from brunts?

i just got like 5 trying to get a buckshot one and im only getting slug ones

[fair shale]

You can change weapon marks when you view em in your inventory

[kind timber]

have no mastery

[fair shale]

Gotta level that

[tall torrent]

TH section overhaul done

all weapon section overhauls are done

[fair shale]

Hey, does Vraks need the 10 percent rending node?

[tall torrent]

which gun

[fair shale]

Iag

My b, I forget there's multiple vraks guns

[tall torrent]

over range yes
up close no

[fair shale]

Congrats buddy

[fair shale]

Thanks

[turbid ibex]

pog

[hard lake]

@hollow ibex starting to genuiley hate the rashad

[hollow ibex]

how come?

[hard lake]

i just get overwhelmed by crowds easily with it

also btw went with flak and unyielding instead of flak and carapace

should be good right?

i have those grenades against crushers anyways

[hollow ibex]

can you hit the scab bruiser one shot breakpoint?

you likely need unarmored

without it, rashad feels really bad

[hard lake]

what is a bruiser

[hollow ibex]

the strongest horde enemies

[hard lake]

oh

[quiet lark]

scab bruiser is the one without helmet

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/storage/sites/darktide/enemies/dCbdwup7bNexQP8t6NzkLxJBiL27Nt4ASPdzp06Z.png

[quiet lark]

is ur Rashad max stats?

[hollow ibex]

if you can't one shot them with a light attack on rashad, rashad is going to feel reaaaally bad

[hard lake]

hmm no 3 shots

almost 2

[hollow ibex]

yeah you need one shot lol

which means a melee-focused build

headtaker + brutal momentum
unarmored + unyielding/flak

[hard lake]

dont have enough resources to increase the stats but i do have max mastery

just need a bit more

[toxic reef]

all vet builds are melee focused

because it's the hybrid class

[quiet lark]

ah it's not max stats

[toxic reef]

all good ones

[hollow ibex]

yeah not maxed stats

[hard lake]

havent gotten a mobility 60 yet

[hollow ibex]

you really can't judge a weapon until you have it maxed out

[hard lake]

closest one is 67

[hollow ibex]

with the correct perks/blessings

esp in the case of rashad

because it's so dependant on hitting breakpoints

[hard lake]

guess ill go back to grinding a bitr

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=6a1b047e&is=6a19b2fe&hm=08122109560db6d4e567cea68090d2a8623fed0ecaac393e41932cc6be57a4d1&

proper rashad should look like this

[hard lake]

oh Im using revolvo now

[hollow ibex]

revolver is good with WS as well

[agile forge]

Rashad is excellent but super stat dependent

Always got salty at people recommending them for newbies before the itemisation patch

Like sure, easy mode to get an axe with 2/4 perfect enchants and a perfect dumpstat

I always said to just use an Antax lol

[tidal fox]

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Vet is the ranged class

[hard lake]

@hollow ibex hmmm

[toxic reef]

glad I asked

[hard lake]

still not enough it seems

is it really unyielding?

[tidal fox]

Mobility at 67

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-sahur-67-67-meme-fortnite-emote-gif-13299458995536216312

[hard lake]

or are those other stats really that important for those breakpoints

[tame lodge]

First Target is the most important stat on any weapon that has it

Something about multipliers

[hard lake]

oh i see

[hollow ibex]

You need unarmored

[hard lake]

oh

maybe Paths guide was a bit outdated?

its says flak carapace on Rashad

[silver patrol]

uh no it doesn't

[agile forge]

Unarmoured is crucial for bromentum iirc

On any class with rashad

Other slot is more flexible?

[silver patrol]

i don't think it's entirely true on hivescum

[agile forge]

Scab bruisers will tank the hit otherwise iirc

Well scum is also scamming hyperviolence

[silver patrol]

bruisers aren't unarmored

[agile forge]

So they want it just because they're common

Scab heads are

Dreg heads are flak

But scab bruisers are helmetless

[silver patrol]

god i hate the enemies

[agile forge]

But tough enough to survive without perk or high enough headtaker

Mind Headtaker solves a lot

[agile forge]

Karking heretics

[tame lodge]

Scab bruiser

[pseudo fiber]

That's called Aura

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-dennis-feels-the-aura-aura-duke-aura-farm-gif-12250327613032664645

[agile forge]

Love that one dude surviving it

[pseudo fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/850710858215456779/1203490330222141530/live_scab_bruiser_reaction.gif

[agile forge]

You found the main character

[tall torrent]

read the actual combat axe section

[hard lake]

Read?!

Aight give me a sec

[plain osprey]

He is that guy lmao

[tame lodge]

He did nonchalantly dodge that

[plain osprey]

Chad bruiser

Nurgles chosen

[edgy crow]

i would like to once again petition the omnisaiah for a scope for my hellbore T.T

[agile mango]

how TF do I dual 6 dreg ragers with a powersword?

[hybrid plover]

Exe Stance

[agile mango]

with VoC

[hybrid plover]

Suffer.

Yeah power sword is uh

It can kill rager for sure

Can you kill them before they get a hit off and snowball on you quicker than you can fathom?

That's another matter entirely.

If you're running VoC I would just recommend to run a ranged weapon that can handle them safer.

[tame lodge]

Activate light

[hybrid plover]

Or run frags to stagger so you can react to them without them catching you in their flurries

[pallid jetty]

now do it without volley fire

[tall torrent]

I mean, I didn't rly need it the entire time anyway

didn't get hit except at the end and that was at the same time as I land an attack

[pallid jetty]

now do it without volley fire, and CONSISTENTLY 10 times

🫃

[surreal rune]

man the headhunter autoguns suck

its like

theyre allergic to being good

[shrewd topaz]

Just make them shoot lasers

Ez

[tall torrent]

but they don't tho

[hollow ibex]

they do if you have shit aim like me

[tame lodge]

No no
I agree

#buffVigilants

https://tenor.com/view/i-agree-with-you-on-everything-erb-my-dad-epic-rap-battles-of-history-vs-my-dad-gif-7577716703079138205

[agile mango]

tiunkerer or grenadier with frags?

[hybrid plover]

Grenadier

[surreal rune]

grenadier

[agile mango]

thx

[agile mango]

what are the meta vet melee weapons aside from PS?

[tall torrent]

combat axe, knife, tac axe

[agile mango]

how do you run tac axe?

have a build for it?

[tall torrent]

I don't run it for melee hybrid builds

basically only for sharpshooter builds

[agile mango]

is it just caxe, knife, and PS as the meta ones for hybrid builds?

[tall torrent]

it's rly just power sword / rashad tbh

[agile mango]

thx bro. also, do you know if there's a way to calculate plasma gun breakpoints withoout having to manually test everything in the psykhanium?

[tall torrent]

yea

look at "damage bonuses" section in guide

[agile mango]

thx man

[normal rose]

i’ve been running a boltgun tac axe build with smokes since i got some suggestions the other day, but kinda wondering what can i do against crushers with this?

[narrow frost]

hit them in the head with the axe

[normal rose]

in the meat grinder i can kill a crusher with the tac axe in 5ish seconds

ok cool cool

[narrow frost]

meat grinder testing wouldnt be realistic since vet can get dodge buffs

for example the crit chance

which is great for taxe

[normal rose]

that’s true reciprocity wasn’t proccing

[tall torrent]

what is ur exact build

[normal rose]

bet bet bet i’ve been having fun with this build. don’t know if imma ever touch havoc 40 but it’s nice knowing what is realistically viable for pushing h40

[tall torrent]

tac axe won't do well on carapace if ur lacking a lot of dmg

[narrow frost]

everything is viable for H40

just find what is fun for you

and enjoy what you use

[verbal burrow]

Think I'm starting to like that Helbore a lil bit

[normal rose]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

still figuring out what perks i like on the curious. don’t think the perks on the tac axe are optimal, but i haven’t noticed losing any crazy break points

i can hit one shot breakpoints on pretty much all elites and specials so that’s nice. reapers with focus and a crit headshot, or two crit body shots

[quiet lark]

u need to hit view build at the bottom of the page and then copy that link

[normal rose]

oop

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1e666f5-fc34-4ef5-9b0e-9772fd77c525/bolt-build

[tall torrent]

ur missing ~45% dmg

[normal rose]

i honestly don’t need executioner stance to hit the breakpoints either, just have to use focus target a bit more

where at

[tall torrent]

skirmisher, exploit weakness (bottom right)

check pinned guide, I have a boltgun build in veteran sample builds

[normal rose]

bet

[agile mango]

does redirect fire stack if two diff vets have it?

[tall torrent]

it goes to highest between the two vets

if neither take 6 stacks (as they should), up to 4

if one takes 6 stacks, up to 6

[quiet lark]

path do arbites tag and focus target override each other or is it just the outline color that changes

[tall torrent]

no override

FT can only be overwritten by another FT tag (with more stacks)

[quiet lark]

gotcha thank u

[tall torrent]

outline color change is sorta watever

[quiet lark]

and dog will still attack enemy after ft vet ping right

[normal rose]

no reload speed perk? i’m thinking abt taking tactical reload because of im using the tactical axe, but i do like how smooth trench fighter makes tac axe feel

[tall torrent]

it's workable tbh

[shrewd topaz]

Its not plasma reload

[tall torrent]

tac axe doesn't need the atk speed tho

[tall torrent]

yea

[normal rose]

for a helbore lasgun build would the shovel work decently as a melee weapon, or would more investment into the melee tree be required?

[shrewd topaz]

Current shovel kinda bleh

Would just tac axe

Or dclaw or something

[normal rose]

gotcha gotcha

that’s a bummer but kinda figured

[tidal fox]

you could also knife

for speed

and pray your team will keep you safe

[shrewd topaz]

(They won't)

[tidal fox]

have faith

hivescum Twinkie-Toes will fall back immediately if he senses you under threat

I promise

[hollow ibex]

i know that brautos are pretty inaccurate.... but yikes this hitreg

[quiet lark]

it would be fine if you want to use it

not the best choice probably but it'll work

[worthy dragon]

what enemy hp and damage number mods is that?

I want it

[drowsy perch]

dclaw

nodders

shovel would work but imo dlcaw is a very good melee for helbore

since helbore has no horde clear

*relatively

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/809

[drowsy perch]

i recommend using the basic healthbars mod for performanace

i tried enemies improved but even with the performance settings it fucking tanked my fps to like 30

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/16

also has some debuff/dot tracking

dont think its as good as EI but

i literally cant play the game with EI so

[tall torrent]

did u put throttle settings to super low or smth

[drowsy perch]

idk

tbh i hate mods with too many settings

hurts my brain

[tall torrent]

I can just send u my settings for it if u want

[crimson garden]

What mark do you use for the dclaw?

[drowsy perch]

id have to check i forgor

[crimson garden]

Fair. Was just curious since I haven’t seen a lot of people saying that they like dclaw

[drowsy perch]

dclaw is one of the best all rounders

[hollow ibex]

4 is the easiest, 7 is the best

though dclaw is pretty mid on vet

[crimson garden]

Better on zealot/hivescum?

[hollow ibex]

hive scum mostly

[crimson garden]

Fair. Makes sense since scum is a glass cannon

Would the power sword be better or worse with the relic blade/power falchion heat system?

[toxic reef]

what did you run again, I saw a screen a while back but I've forgotten

I'm doing healthbars for some dots atm

[hollow ibex]

it really isn't, it's just overpowered

[hollow ibex]

would be worse unless there's some changes made

[crimson garden]

Ahhhh fair

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/371AC71.MP4?ex=6a1bbb44&is=6a1a69c4&hm=79331c9e655d95b14ea26521f0ec5adf809ea6c9ae2d804a75b9516a406b9e81&

glass cannon classes don't exist in darktide

[toxic reef]

closest to a glass cannon to me is vet since it has no pure DR

[hollow ibex]

yeah vet is ironically the closest to a glass cannon lol

[toxic reef]

psyker and scum both have reliable DR

[hollow ibex]

when the "glass cannon" classes get more damage reduction than vet

and also more damage

[crimson garden]

Vet’s a regular dude, psyker and scum are wrapped in a thin layer of titanium to keep them alive

[drowsy perch]

its pretty nice with the bleed melee talent

fast hitting and can hit a lot of enemies with its speed

[hollow ibex]

the cleave is just ok and dclaw has some pretty bad flak adm

you know, most common armor type in the game

[drowsy perch]

yes BUT

wrath and impact blessing

makes it really damn good

even in havoc

im not saying its the best

but its very easy to use

and quite good

[tall torrent]

dm

[crimson garden]

Not sure if I want to play vet or zealot

[toxic reef]

WS or shredder spam is usually what gets me in a vet mood, I rarely yearn for marksman stuff if I'm debating between the two

[dense bridge]

I have developed a Helbore lasgun addiction

I love this thing so much

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-chuck-norris-gif-14366053

[normal rose]

tbh i have no real reason why ive been apprehensive towards that one i never gave it a shot

heard great things abt the parry

[grand perch]

DClaw for the most part is a worse heavy sword. Hsword is dclaw but it does actual damage

dclaw does have the edge against rager hordes, or like, while being cornered. not much else to it sadly

[drowsy perch]

hsword was complete dogshit until the buff recently

and also hsword is horrible at light spam

dclaw is great at light spam

[clever niche]

is graia autogun a good gun?

[tall torrent]

which one

[clever niche]

this one

im thinking of a DMR to run beside my lasgun

[shut talon]

is rending strikes any good for recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

best vig auto is mk3, check pinned guide for blessings

[tall torrent]

yes

[clever niche]

thanks

i think i will go with the mk7. Just for funsies, no minmaxxing for me

what do you think about the opening salvo perk

[tall torrent]

it's ok for mk7 vig auto

but crit build is usually better

[clever niche]

i assume this is what crit build is

[tall torrent]

ye

[wary sigil]

just hit a 4th place world record for rolling steel @tropic halo

i should have clipped it so i could submit it to speedrun.com gg

this shit is crazy tho

[surreal rune]

how is gunker with vig auto?

[kind arch]

guys should i max out my helbore veterans height so i can land more headshots

[surreal rune]

yeah

thats what height is good for

[kind arch]

does the bigger hitbox matter?

[slow spade]

No because you should be shooting gunners first

[regal gyro]

heyy a new vet here. Need some tips. I saw a lot of pros punching with the meele weapon before hitting, it's something needed to activate a talent?

[slow spade]

Push attacking for each weapon is different.

But some weapons like the power sword regularly include it when in melee

Power sword is the biggest user of pushing to create space and to push attack for big damage

(Old pic but still relevant)

[regal gyro]

I see i'm making a build for HAVOC from a video a saw that makes that

Punching and then two hits in the head

[slow spade]

Yeah sounds like a Power Sword build

[regal gyro]

Perfect i'll take notes, thank you!

[slow spade]

Np, power sword is unique for pushing in that its push attack is absolutely cracked

Can 1 or 2 hit most enemies

[regal gyro]

Yeap, i'm having some problems to farm bcs most of the time i play auric games to upgrade weapons faster, but completing a single mission it's too hard if you play with randoms

[slow spade]

Oh Auric gives more weapon xp than Damnations?

I was under the impression it capped at Damnation

But otherwise yeah Darktide has the unfortunate issue that it's a difficult game + most players are dogshit

[regal gyro]

yeap but it's not much the difference, i play auric more for the plasteel

and the diamantine of course

[shrewd topaz]

check pin guides for melee attack loops

[regal gyro]

thx! i'll check it

[slow spade]

Ah I can guarantee that auric does not give more plasteel or diamantine

[regal gyro]

oh really? damn

[slow spade]

Damnation and Auric have same quantities

If you REALLY want materials, the Havoc weekly chest gives a ton of materials

[regal gyro]

ooooh shit, thank you, you saved me headaches

[slow spade]

So you can do some quick low-level havoc and get like 5x games worth at the end of the week

[shrewd topaz]

🥹

[regal gyro]

Sorry i just bought the game a week ago haha DX

[slow spade]

Just be aware Havoc is THE hardest content this game has. I only suggested Havoc because objectively its the most resources from 1 game

[regal gyro]

I'm building the weapons for HAVOC, need to finnish the plasma gun and i'll start with the power sword

[slow spade]

For context on a Havoc weekly chest rewards for the HIGHEST tier

[regal gyro]

DAYUMN.

[shrewd topaz]

tfw only 137k ordos

[slow spade]

A damnation gives roughly 300 diamantine and 1000 plasteel at most

[regal gyro]

Yea i'll need to search for a prepared group HAH

[shrewd topaz]

your ass is gonna get gatekept out of party finder h40 anyway

[slow spade]

Indeed, but Havoc is the hardest for a reason

[slow spade]

Yeah weirdly stingy there

[regal gyro]

i see

[shrewd topaz]

youre just gonna get gatekept out

90% of the time

[slow spade]

For a base marker, completing a Auric Maelstrom places you at Havoc 16 immediately

So you can get an idea from that

If you can't handle auric maelstroms, you will likely not do well in Havocs

[regal gyro]

Alright, i'll keep playing auric for the moment, it's not such a big deal but i need to learn some things first and gain skill

[shrewd topaz]

block push dodge and get 1 shot killed by overhead 🗣️

[slow spade]

Indeed, I find it funny that Havoc drops the most materials but by the time you can handle Havocs you don't need materials

[regal gyro]

thank you two for the tips! i'm glad that i didn't get bullied fot being a newie hahah

[slow spade]

Np, the poxwalkers will do that for us UwU

I wish Darktide posted more stats

Last time we got stats, the top player killer was Maulers funnily enough

[shrewd topaz]

the nefarious mixed horde with mauler overhead jumpscare

[slow spade]

Indeed, funnily enough some classes can just push maulers

[kind arch]

does the rashad axe work well with serrated blade?

[slow spade]

Ideally no

Because you want the rashad to 1-tap as much as possible

[kind arch]

aite

[silver patrol]

uhh why

[agile forge]

Wait might have it confused

Thought it was on crit

Confused with flesh tearer and scourge

Accidental misinformation deleted lol

[severe needle]

is there any fellow death corp here?

[tame lodge]

No

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[worthy dragon]

What's "+50% Range Cleave"?

Like, do you hit two heretics with one bullet or something?

[hard lake]

@hollow ibex
its first target holding me back from reachin the breakpoints?

i changed it to unarmored

both heavy and light attacks need 2 hits to kill one bruiser

to the head

like i dont see how missing 8% makes this weapon reach the breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

Possibly, could also be the build though

Just to be clear you don’t need to hit the one shot breakpoint

[hard lake]

using this build

[hollow ibex]

With no stacks of Headtaker

If you can hit the breakpoint with two or three stacks it’ll be ok

[silver patrol]

pretty sure not even an hivescum build gets the one hit kill without stacks

[hard lake]

what does the icon of the stacks look like?

[surreal rune]

it increases upon the base value of your ranged weapon's cleave by 50%

[silver patrol]

possibly, or more depending on the weapon

[surreal rune]

situational, not even noticeable on most guns, not even that good in the cases it makes a different

[silver patrol]

most guns have low cleave, around 1.5

bringing cleave to 2.1, combined with some strength bonuses MIGHT mean you cleave a poxwalker

well, definitely a poxwalker, prob not a bruiser, i forgot the mass

it's only really useful for certain guns, pin has the cleave values

[surreal rune]

you only really notice it on plasma gun and helbore

[worthy dragon]

Yea but what da heck does "range cleave" even mean? I know melee cleave is the wide areas you cover from your swings so...

[silver patrol]

i think some autoguns too

yeah ranged cleave is the same

[hard lake]

i two shot with 5 stacks of headtaker if im understanding this correcetly

want me to show my screen?

[silver patrol]

how much mass your attacks penetrate

[surreal rune]

just cleave but on ranged weapons

cleave itself is yeah

what donte said

[hard lake]

because i feel like im doing something wrong

big time

https://discord.gg/hSCqhXc3

[regal gyro]

Hydrogen baby

[hard lake]

i too low hydrogen yes

[silver patrol]

Zarone revolver has 6.5 cleave, which means that the bullet continues to travel until it hits through 6.5 mass

that means usually 3-4 trash

[worthy dragon]

So piercing/penetration concepts ok i see the gist of it now

[silver patrol]

apart from few guns (and even then i have doubts), it's pretty bad

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s fine then

[hard lake]

oh

[worthy dragon]

So, is the node really worth taking? The "+50% ranged cleave" for lets say, Auto Lasgun?

[silver patrol]

does basically nothing for recon lasgun

unless you are using the slow one

which you probably aren't

[worthy dragon]

Noted, im savin my talent points then

[hollow ibex]

It’s very good in the slow one tbf

[silver patrol]

yeah but then you are using the slow one

[worthy dragon]

Nah, i like the brrrt version its more fun

[hard lake]

btw what curios am i suppoused to use on vet?

[tropic halo]

health, toughness and stamina

[quiet lark]

i like 2 tn 1 hp or 1 tn 1 hp 1 stam

[hollow ibex]

prob the worst one tho

[tropic halo]

This shit hurts my brain

[hollow ibex]

shovel + vigil WS

looks painful ngl

[tropic halo]

Not if you lock in

[hollow ibex]

yeaaaah not sure if your clip has convinced me otherwise lol

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/goober-speech-bubble-gif-27322398

I was the last man standing so clearly my build works

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[merry shard]

pawa sowrd
lucius lasgun

h e a d s h o t s

[unique stump]

ok i both found and solved my problem with the helbore: i hate the iron sights so i dont use them

just hipfire that shit

[hollow ibex]

hipfiring the helbore... 😭

[quiet lark]

hmm

that's certainly a choice

[tropic halo]

my brother in christ

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HI3RlCpakAAtkKH.webp

[silver patrol]

lol

[wary sigil]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/mOCTvT2FVntMSe9Xm?invite=cr-MSxIQmwsMjIyNzYxODg

@tropic halo

[silver patrol]

true, hipfire the sniper rifle

[tropic halo]

Smacked by sliding crusher

[tropic halo]

You can tell that is someone who did not played hellbore pre-iron sights to understand the pain

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-agree-with-you-on-everything-erb-my-dad-epic-rap-battles-of-history-vs-my-dad-gif-7577716703079138205

[hollow ibex]

yeah current helbore irons aren't even that bad

[tropic halo]

The only time a weapons custom mod was allowed at that time

[half badge]

Shovel does nothing 🥀

[tropic halo]

It is called latrine shovel to take out the trash from my lobby (my teammates)

[unique stump]

it works

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-w-pepe-gif-23978425

[tropic halo]

Hip fire hellbore run when sirosky?

[unique stump]

alr fuck this chat all its done is reinforce that veteran players are the worst, most angry people in the game

i hate all of you, at least hive scum has fun

[tropic halo]

Lol

[silver patrol]

mhhh today i think i will snipe with the flamethrower

[tropic halo]

Have you tried iron sight a double barrel shotgun?

[silver patrol]

why didn't i think of that

[tropic halo]

Shit so raw, it shreds everything at close range

Thanks to iron sighs

[silver patrol]

yeah, i really need that accuracy at close range

wouldn't want to waste a pallet

[silent onyx]

Anyone got any tips for the "don't take melee damage" penance? I'm struggling with it.

[silver patrol]

nothing much, you just have to play well

you could ping people to help you out

[silent onyx]

Fair enough lol

[silver patrol]

irrc it's at least heresy right?

[silent onyx]

Malice or higher

[silver patrol]

Malice, really

then you could probably do it by playing normally

[hollow ibex]

practice your melee fundamentals and you'll get it

[abstract sand]

• Play on Malice
• Pick a melee with either a parry or good dodging (I did the penance with Combat Knife iirc)
• Use Voice of Command if you're about to get hit

You can take toughness damage, you just can't take any actual HP chip damage.

[silver patrol]

you only need to avoid health damage i think

[abstract sand]

Yes

[silver patrol]

so you can fuck up and get hit once in melee

[silent onyx]

Oh, okay, that isn't so bad.

So DS or DC. Or combat knife.

I already got VoC, so all good there. I'm running with a Heavy Sword, so that might be my issue

[fading girder]

also stack toughness increase curios?

[silver patrol]

for this penance no

i mean you should

[silent onyx]

Looks like I gotta gamble Melkbucks then lol

[silver patrol]

but it doesn't help the penance

getting hit while having 99% toughness still make you lose 1 hp

[abstract sand]

It wouldn't help

If you have 90% of your total toughness you will still take damage

You have to have max toughness to not take chip damage

[silent onyx]

Or orange toughness, yes?

[abstract sand]

Correct

[silver patrol]

gold toughness is even better yes

[silent onyx]

I run the overshield shout, so that'll definitely help

[silver patrol]

yeah you pick shout just because of that

[silent onyx]

Does pox gas or fire damage count against the penance?

[abstract sand]

No I don't think so

But that shouldn't be a problem on Malice regardless

[silver patrol]

those only starts damaging you after toughness is gone anyway

you have all the time in the world to just leave the area

especially on malice

[quiet lark]

if you want to cheese it just play expeditions with a friend and run to the extract. if you don't want to cheese it and you're really struggling with it, maybe just keep playing normally to improve before going for it

[steel veldt]

I activated Infiltrate against a Sniper, it didn't do the lens glare, it just killed me

okay

[hollow ibex]

it do be like that sometimes

[abstract sand]

@silent onyx do you want help with it

[silent onyx]

Thank you all for the tips, I just got the penance!

With randoms, too!

Devil's Claw ftw

[short fern]

sorry for being that guy but can someone direct me to the veteran meta

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[short fern]

that massive guide? 👀

💀

[tidal fox]

use the right part of the scrolling thingamajig to look for vet builds

[tall torrent]

yea it covers pretty much everything u need

[short fern]

well there's choices, which is the most popular

[quiet lark]

meta veteran is the squad leader build on gameslantern

go check it out

[tall torrent]

just open the guide and go to veteran sample builds lol

[short fern]

thanks chupapi

[hybrid plover]

Truly the best Vet build of All Time

[heavy rover]

oh god not the squad leader build

[quiet lark]

i solod havoc 80 using it

[hybrid plover]

Omg I was only able to get to Havoc 75

Teach me your ways

[fading girder]

trust me bro when i say you could stack as many wounds as you can i did that when i started out lmfao

[heavy rover]

pff please I did havoc 69 while I rebuilt Cadia with my bare hands

[hybrid plover]

Why did Cadia fall?

Because they were all Infiltrate vets

[heavy rover]

why didn't the Cadians just shout for golden toughness?

are they stupid?

[fading girder]

i only ran Infiltrate to do the peances

[hybrid plover]

I meme on infiltrate but I actually kinda like it nowadays

[fading girder]

you think if they all shouted at once it wouldve sent the blackstone fort backinto the eye of terror

[hybrid plover]

30% damage for 8s is not bad at all.

[turbid ibex]

I still wish the move speed bonus would also linger

[hybrid plover]

Same.

Would make it far more fun

[near abyss]

Is Plasma still good?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[tidal fox]

all they needed to run was grenade tinkerer and demo squad smh

[tall torrent]

infil is better than VoC but people are slow

stance is best vet ult but people are mega slow

[distant plaza]

Can confirm, am slow, still death is the best CC, second best is flattening everyone in an aoe on their asses

[turbid ibex]

third best is uninstalling the game

:3

[hollow ibex]

stance is bad because i can't just press F to get me out of a terrible situation that i put myself into!

[distant plaza]

Instructions unclear, am maining hive scum now

[tawny badger]

Havoc 40K when

[near abyss]

When Emperor raises from the Throne

Is unarmoured really the perk for Plasma? None of the plasma builds I see on gameslantern use it

[tall torrent]

because they don't know how to build breakpoints

[near abyss]

Who does Unarmoured help against?

Besides chavs and snipers

[hollow ibex]

gunners

[hybrid plover]

Gunners

Also these assholes

[hollow ibex]

also man chord is not so bad now these days

since crusher got nuked lol

[tame lodge]

Games lantern

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[near abyss]

man chord?

[hollow ibex]

chainsword yeah

[near abyss]

Not seeing many zealots with Eviscerator

[tame lodge]

Because crushers went extinct

No reason to use it

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-10597537029835390618

Same for chain axe

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-10597537029835390618

[tawny badger]

a real zealot uses the eviscerator anyways because aura

[fallow beacon]

i still use it because rev it up zoomies

[tawny badger]

an actual rev it up user in the flesh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[fallow beacon]

leave those knife wielders in the dust

[torpid grotto]

Much harder than just spamming mk10 relic lights all game

[hollow ibex]

well mkxv is a lot of light spam too

[dense tulip]

Could someone explain the differences in the Marks for the Helbore Lasguns?

[tame lodge]

Mk3 middle ground, stab bayonet

Mk5 slightly less damage, faster charge, stab bayonet

[scarlet thistle]

Bayonet on the infantry lasgun when

[tame lodge]

Mk4 slower charge, hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game, slash bayonet

Mk4 iron sights are different than mk3 and 5

[dense tulip]

Thank you for the explanation hun

[hard lake]

@tame lodge do basically all Veteran builds use the same Curios?

[tame lodge]

Unless you're on some Deadshot gimmick with bajjillion stamina

[hard lake]

i see

how do i get/build my curios?

[tame lodge]

You check the armory every now and then
Or
Gamble at Melk's

[hard lake]

i can get some from brunt

ah

[obtuse crescent]

This is the last Penance I need, but i do not understand whether its damnation or Auric difficulty. Can anyone direct me to where I should look for it?

[hard lake]

can i just buy brunts tailor them how i want them to be

[tame lodge]

Their main stat can't be changed

So a 16% toughness will still be a 16% toughness

[dense tulip]

What would be a good melee to pair with the helbore? Right now im rocking the power falcon but Im not too sure on it

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe

It's a cheap melee

[dense tulip]

I tried the Taxe but wasnt a fan of it being mostly single target, unless Vet has two axes and Im thinking of a different one

[quiet lark]

both axes with brutal momentum are good into hordes

[pallid jetty]

^

[turbid ibex]

higui recognizing tac axe is a good melee

character arc

[hard lake]

imo Shovel >>> Taxe

[dense tulip]

Testing in the Meat Grinder, Taxe does more damage but I still dont like its single target shtick, Thats what usually gets me killed in hordes

[hard lake]

@tame lodge where can i find curios for vet?

[dense tulip]

Could gamble with Brunt or spend weekly Creds gambling with Weekly shop dude OR see if either has them for sale out right

[hard lake]

i mean what specs

sorry i worded that question weirdly

[dense tulip]

That I wouldnt know. I just rock Wound and Toughness for my Vet, could probably do better but It works for me so

[tame lodge]

it's not good

However

It's cheap

For ranged weapons build

[hard lake]

guess ill go 2 toughness and 1 stam

[dense tulip]

Now question, What would be the Dump stat for Helbore, My Current one has 80s across the board with Stability dumped

[tame lodge]

Stability dump

[dense tulip]

Sweet

[tame lodge]

Weapon so stable it spawn horses

[dense tulip]

What would be the reccomended Blessings and Perks, Perks are less important to me tbh

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Weight of Fire/Hotshot

[dense tulip]

Any specific Class perks on Vet I should look into taking to maximize my output with it?

[turbid ibex]

they asked for a good weapon

you answered tac axe

[hard lake]

@tame lodge so blessings should be 2 toughness and 1 stam, but what should the perks be?

[turbid ibex]

check pinned guide for talent build stuff

[tame lodge]

A good melee to pair with
Not a good melee

Smh

[tame lodge]

Health
Toughness
Gunner resist
1 sniper resistance
Revive speed

[hard lake]

i keep seeing ability regen a lot

[turbid ibex]

only really needed for shout or stealth

[hard lake]

oh i use shout

[turbid ibex]

tac awareness is enough for exestance

[hard lake]

do i put that perk on all 3 curios?

[hybrid plover]

One health one tough one stamina

[hard lake]

i was told that vet synergizes with tough better

[hybrid plover]

Vet wants more health.

[hard lake]

oh

this vexes me

[hybrid plover]

You already have a big pool of base toughness.

What you don't have is a lot of health.

And your toughness retention is particularly good even if it's conditional.

[tall torrent]

2 toughness 1 health

[hard lake]

thanks

[tall torrent]

can do 1 stamina over toughness

I have vet curio build in guide

[hard lake]

where exactly? i couldnt find it under the Curio section

[tall torrent]

veteran

[hard lake]

i see it now

mb

what perk should be replaced by ability regen?

gunner res?

or toughness

[latent star]

I'm not a huge fan of gunner res on vet most of the time since I think vet can deal with gunners pretty easily but that depends on weapon, build, and difficulty.

There are certainly situations where it makes sense

But multiple res perks have multiplicative resistance not linear resistance so dropping one of your x3 gunner res spots is probably the best call either way.

[tawny badger]

yeah you can probably drop a gunner resist

something something diminishing returns

[fallow beacon]

drop a revive speed and just take leave no one behind imo

[quiet lark]

there is no diminishing returns because your effective hp vs gunners continues to increase without diminishing

[tall torrent]

revive speed & 5% health

[tall torrent]

untrue

[umbral yarrow]

is the mark 7 or 9 lasgun better?

[latent star]

They're linear DR?!?;?;

[tall torrent]

no, they're multiplicative, which means 3x is quite a bit better than 2x

[latent star]

No, that's not how the math works. Each x1 is about equally useful.

[tall torrent]

1x is ~125% of base hitpoints
2x is ~156% of base hitpoints
3x is ~195% of base hitpoints

this is just how the math works

x80% gunner resist is significantly better than +5% toughness

[fair shale]

Me slapping 3x of both on everyone

[latent star]

I see the confusion, we are saying the same thing just describing it differently. Here, let me try this: each res perk is effectively a 25% increase in how much damage you can take from gunners vs. the prior level (your current durability factoring in trinkets)

It is both 25% of a bigger number and also still 25%.

[tame lodge]

Between those 2
7

9 has some niche uses

[tawny badger]

arent the gunner res curio perks like
100% incoming damage
x0.8 (first gunner res curio)
x0.8 (second gunner res curio)
x0.8 (third gunner res curio)

so stacking them togehter would be like
100% damage
x0.8 for 80% damage
x0.8 again for 64% damage
x0.8 again 51.2% damage

oh I missed milkfish's ping

[latent star]

195% durability is about 51% DR

[feral bay]

I already stacked gunner resist just because I hate getting suppressed

[latent star]

A+

[tame lodge]

I already accepted that my hubris will be my downfall

I don't run gun res

[tall torrent]

yes but because it's multiplicative x1.25, eventually it ends up looking like that in relation to the original value u start with

[latent star]

Right!

[tall torrent]

there's no "diminishing returns" here that some people like to imagine

[latent star]

Correct!

It is always a 1.25 increase

[hybrid plover]

Gunner res is weird where numerically it seems like diminishing returns.

But it actually isn't when you put it into practice.

That's where the confusion arises.

[latent star]

For any X res perks, X+1 will always be a 25% increase

The difference is basically Guide is evaluating it vs. baseline and I'm evaluating it vs. current perks. Neither is wrong, just different ways to evaluate.

[hearty panther]

for every gunner res you take, gunner damage diminishes
therefore, diminishing returns

its shrimple

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-uncletopia-gif-26323416

[quiet lark]

i mean only 1 ping for that number of dreg ragers understandable how they missed it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-spiderman-peter-parker-suit-gif-16821520

[slow sky]

Skill issue
Just dont take damage or need grenades

[blazing jetty]

Talking mad shit for someone standing between a barrel and a ledge

[tame lodge]

Nice try

Unfortunately I'm interacting

In which case I have 90% displacement resistance

[tidal fox]

never run improv only run bleed ✊🏼

[warm swallow]

Ough im so dripped…..

[blazing jetty]

When was the last time that helmet dropped

[drowsy perch]

if u arent running gunner res on all curios ur basically throwing

gunners will obliterate you in like anything auric+

[tawny badger]

this game lining up exclusively nothing but lights out/ventilation purge whenever I run anything resembling a long-ranged/sharpshooter build

https://tenor.com/view/typing-type-gif-8057696192395757116

[drowsy perch]

ventilation purge you can atleast see whats close to you

lights out you cant see in general

[toxic reef]

I'll pick lights out over vent purge any day tho

[drowsy perch]

son

im crine

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/how-i-see-in-light-out-missions/94447

not my screenshot but this is basically how lights out is for me too

(theres also 20 shotgunners in the darkness but u cant see any of them)

[toxic reef]

it's map dependant a bit too

some have more ambient light

[fading girder]

imo they should tell you what effects are on the mission during the valk ride and let you adjust your loadout during , so like you can get a gun with a flashlight lmfao

[final charm]

Not being able to see is a good difficulty modifier trust

[toxic reef]

there's mods to show you what modifiers and such there are on loading screens

ik there's some mods you can use to dc yourself from a game to change a loadout and then reconnect

[tawny badger]

-# maybe the default flashlight just shouldn't be dogshit

actual horror game light, now it just needs to incessantly bob up and down with every step

[toxic reef]

flashlight shouldn't be a weapon special imo

it should just be a regular feature

[drowsy perch]

i like it but its just so insanely narrow of a beam

peripheral? no such thing

[drowsy perch]

this isnt cod

[toxic reef]

ok?

[drowsy perch]

its a joke

cause its what fatshark said

in response to "add attachments"

[toxic reef]

yeah that's fair, it's just a dogshit weapon special

[drowsy perch]

i wouldnt really say its fair

like

if it was cod level customization sure

but ppl just want literally like

flashlight attachment and like a single scope

but any attachment system = cod

apparently

[toxic reef]

I think they just see the slippery slope or w/e

[silver patrol]

it would involve work

[final charm]

features are restricted until morale improves

[silver patrol]

and they don't do that

[toxic reef]

work that modders do instead

[drowsy perch]

modders have already done it

[silver patrol]

modders didn't even do it

[drowsy perch]

yea they did

EWC

[silver patrol]

they took an unused and mostly done system

[drowsy perch]

oh

well yea

[silver patrol]

which is even more stupid

[drowsy perch]

fatsahrk jsut fart

[tall torrent]

tbh the weapon mastery system they went with eventually does resemble COD attachment unlocks for gunsmith lol

[kind arch]

what marks/blessings/perks do u guys use for heavy laspistol?

[slow sky]

mk2 dumdum infernus
unyielding crit chance

[slow sky]

and no one ever asks why an advertised and desired functionally complete system in the files was suddenly dropped without a word

[silver patrol]

i am not sure what you are saying

[tall torrent]

it's GW is it not?

[silver patrol]

that seems to be darktide fans' most favourite claim when anything goes wrong

[tall torrent]

not necessarily but it is most likely GW in this case

[kind arch]

dumpstat being stability?

[scenic basin]

Crucian Roulette or Surgical for zarona revolver+WS build?

[silver patrol]

surgical

[toxic reef]

@tall torrent thanks for the settings btw, they fit real well

[tall torrent]

I changed mine to white outline for special atk and no flash

but ya the rest I think are perfect

[toxic reef]

ah idt I've noticed that yet, only played a few games yesterday

[brazen mist]

whats recon lasgun vet role? literally does nothing to carapace enemies

takes 2 business days to take down one big dude with a hammer

krak nade does oneshot though

[toxic reef]

maybe don't shoot armor

[brazen mist]

so what do I do

[toxic reef]

switch to your primary

[brazen mist]

a power sword?

[toxic reef]

I mean whatever melee you're using ye

[shrewd topaz]

krak or stab em

its that shrimple

delete everything else with recon

[unreal nova]

Special PA light light. Problem solved.

[silver patrol]

you also have your nades

[agile forge]

Shooting anything that isn't Carapace lmao

It's a very consistent weapon that scales well into bosses due to Infernus

If you really want to shoot crushers you can take Onslaught but you have your melee and blitz for that too potentially

[silver patrol]

yeah if you don't have onslaught, you shouldn't be shooting carapace

arguably you shouldn't be shooting carapace at all

[unreal nova]

Not worth it tbh. On heresy, it takes an entire mag on avg.

[agile forge]

Yeah I wouldn't recommend that way at all

[unreal nova]

Maybe if they are playing uprising.

[agile forge]

No crushers on uprising lol

[unreal nova]

They now show up.

Just very rarely.

You usually see 2 on Dark Communion.

They are as tanky as a mauler on higher diffs though so... blep fast.

They actually started showing up after the OG brutes event. After they made the event doable on lower diffs.

But the joke is more, there's so few of them, it changes nothing if you pewpew them.

[kind arch]

whats your opinion on longshot on a laspistol/helbore (executioners stance, MMF), worth taking?

[dapper pier]

Hitting the ogryn shuffle

[grand perch]

ya

[drowsy perch]

longshot is worth it basically all the time

you get a damage bonus regardless but its more at range

[toxic blade]

WAAAAGH!!

[regal gyro]

hey i'm here again. I tried HAVOC for the first time (i already maxed all the gear) and DAMN- that was hard but hella fun ngl

[unreal nova]

Assignment level?

[regal gyro]

i don't remember bur surely was very very low

[unreal nova]

A.k.a. when it's still actually fun and not tryhard or lose.

[regal gyro]

Probably idk

[hard lake]

do Krak grenades take account on which body part they land?

like if i throw it at a weakspot does it do more damage

or does it not matter

[unreal nova]

Explosive damage is their own thing. Only thing that matters is the damage radius which falls off quickly.

[hard lake]

i see

thanks

also any tips for getting diamentine?

and can the mainstat of curios be increased?

[unreal nova]

Havoc or farming in loot runs on damnation.

[hard lake]

hm

[unreal nova]

I guess doing events count.

But they are one time.

[unreal nova]

No. What you buy is what you get for the primary thing.

[hard lake]

oh that kinda sucks

im guessing only yellow curios get their max mainstats?

[unreal nova]

Nope. All that matters is the curio power. 410 is the min for max stat curios. 420 and 430 are basically guaranteed.

[hard lake]

ah

i dont get why they made curios aquisition so annoying

[unreal nova]

The numbers are specifically 21% HP, 17% Toughness and +3 Stamina.

[turbid ibex]

and 1 wound :3

[tawny badger]

they should make evil ass curios that do negative values

[hard lake]

do we not have human sized lmgs?

[pallid jetty]

braced autogun is kinda does the role

[hard lake]

Scab gunners paid 40 bucks to play this game tbf

devs need to appeal to them

[pallid jetty]

what?...

[hard lake]

otherwise game wont survive

[hard lake]

idk man im just butthurt about gunners

[final charm]

dog class is already here, whens the paid dlc trapper class…

[turbid ibex]

Not tomorrow

Cause tomorrow is skitarii

[surreal rune]

i wish close and kill was better

or, different

[turbid ibex]

Which one is that

[surreal rune]

veteran movement speed aura

[hollow ibex]

true

[surreal rune]

i was thinking that it could be a movement speed buff while near enemies

[turbid ibex]

+50% movement speed

[tropic halo]

Should have replaced that with reload speed

[quaint marsh]

5%reload speed

[verbal burrow]

Imperial Guard being based as fuck as usual:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hD3KBwoiA

[atomic flax]

Anyone got a bolter build focused on killing everything? I suck at builds.

[austere mica]

You're going to have to be more specific than that

[quiet lark]

from the pinned guide

[cosmic coral]

So question as a new player playing (and loving) veteran as their first class.

Recently got o lvl 26 so started looking into the builds. Is there a reason nearly every single build that uses Executioners Stance takes Bigger they Are rather than Counter-Fire

Feels weird to me cause I would think you would want more targets highlighted to keep the stance buff going

[atomic flax]

Would swapping out melee weapons mess up the build? I like chainswords.

[austere mica]

Cause you don't need shooters for upkeep and more duration + tagging ogryn enemies is more useful

Also helps you actually kill them without dropping stance

[silver patrol]

no

but you can't rely on bolter since it has very limited ammo and is clunky

[cosmic coral]

I see... that makes sense. Thanks!

[silver patrol]

people don't generally shoot the trash shooters

[quiet lark]

counter fire is less consistent. even without killing ogryn's, getting the longer duration for each refreshis better. also, highlighting every shooter is acc not that good because you usually want to specifically spot out specials (and elites) to kill them. more yellow things everywhere makes it more annoying

[atomic flax]

Got you.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[tall torrent]

chainsword is nowhere as good on single targets

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-not-tuff-bro-isnt-tuff-didnt-ask-non-tuff-ffut-gif-4673883035515029755

[atomic flax]

What about power swords?

[tall torrent]

vet best melee

[atomic flax]

Thinking about two builds, a heavy hitting bolter build, and an all round auto lasgun build.

[turbid ibex]

wera

[quiet lark]

wera charlie kirk

or however it goes

[verbal burrow]

No Krak nades? Interesting.

[thick laurel]

Power Falchion moment

[verbal burrow]

May I ask what this build is intended to do? It appears very different from my team support approach

[verbal burrow]

Oh that looks pretty neat

[quiet lark]

kill stuff 👍

[hollow ibex]

power falch after dealing with one patrol

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-tired-panting-gasp-gif-13533314

[thick laurel]

Don't call it out like that

-# It's sensitive about it, okay?

[agile mango]

can you guys post your craziest havoc clips?

[tame lodge]

montage of getting declined.mp4

[pallid jetty]

montage of getting killed in the first 2 minutes.mp4

[amber vortex]

montage of krieg cosplayers getting downed.mp4

[agile mango]

is the power falchion better than the mk6 PS?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[pallid jetty]

falshion is kinda poo poo

[tame lodge]

Lacks damage
Lacks stagger
Lacks cleave

[turbid ibex]

no lmao

[tall torrent]

not even remotely close

[hollow ibex]

they both overheat in roughly the same period of time

[turbid ibex]

lacks everything tbh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-shit-loser-seriously-gif-5731140

[turbid ibex]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGtX3xkboAESqAI.webp

[agile mango]

why do people use it over the PS then?

[turbid ibex]

cause they dont know shit lol

either that or they dont care

[elder fiber]

sometimes people don't want to use the power sword or duelling sword

[turbid ibex]

or rashad

or tac axe

or any other actually good melee option on vet

[elder fiber]

or shovel

or knife

[brave acorn]

Heaven forbid that someone NOT do what people in this discord tell them to

[turbid ibex]

i mean sure you can run falchion

thats your choice

but just know that its one of the most pointless weapons in the game

[brave acorn]

No, I don’t know that

[turbid ibex]

well now you do

when you choose falchion youre pretty much kneecapping yourself for not really any benefit

[tame lodge]

Bro snuck shovel in there and thought we wouldn't notice

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[quiet lark]

i was gonna say xd

[tall torrent]

they either don't know well enough or intentionally want to use a subpar weapon

[late inlet]

Is there any place to find current meta builds for Havoc so sweaty 30+ groups don't auto-decline?

[hybrid plover]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781 if you're talking vet, there's some good templates there.

In the "Sample Builds" section

[late inlet]

Perfect, thanks. 👍

[scenic basin]

How important is god roll plasma vs just dumping either charge rate or thermal?

[turbid ibex]

optimal plasma stats let you fire 8 hipfire shots in a row before venting

[hybrid plover]

You can do that with enough thermal resistance already tbf. Real reason the optimal roll is the way it is, is cuz it ensures the fastest fire rate while still retaining the 8 shots before vent.

[hybrid plover]

Honestly. It's not that big of a deal. It is noticeable but it's plasma gun.

You'll be fine regardless.

[cosmic coral]

I heard plasma guns got heavily nerfed, are they still worth playing?

[hybrid plover]

That being said, I'd recommend dumping thermal over charge rate if you go that route. Firing faster is more valuable than the 8 shots before vent.

At least in my opinion.

[hybrid plover]

Plasma's fine. Arguably still overtuned. Just not as overtuned.

[cosmic coral]

I'll have to give it a try. I've mainly been playing Helbore

[amber vortex]

Yes

Honestly was a nothing nerf

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

Least delusional shovel user

[amber vortex]

How's it feel? Knowing chainsword does your job better, trench trash?

Hehehohohaha

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-and-garbage-horrible-awful-trash-bob-jones-gif-16060212

[craggy haven]

I can't get on Overwatch Penance to pop, running VoC to keep my toughness up and no dice. I'll finish a level missing maybe 4 hp total and nothing. Any insight would be appreciated.

[tidal fox]

Infiltrate + stack ability regen + play like a scared little boy

Ez

[scenic basin]

Any melee recomendations that can deal with Carapace and Captains and has decent hordeclear?

[tidal fox]

The humble powersword

[scenic basin]

dislike the lack of overall defense and mobility

[craggy haven]

@tidal fox Thanks

[tidal fox]

Tactical axe

[quiet lark]

who deleted their message

[amber vortex]

Tac axe

[quiet lark]

😨

[scenic basin]

Which one?

[hybrid plover]

7

[amber vortex]

Brutal Momentum and Headtaker as blessings