veteran-class

[unreal nova]

Want to just destroy everything on H1 one day as stress relief, sure. H40 next day, sure.

All the useless gatekeeping just annoys and makes things less fun.

[hybrid plover]

The demotion is one thing but the forced reset especially pisses me off

[unreal nova]

You still get idiots in auric after that annoying change.

[hybrid plover]

What is even the point of that

Why if I have gotten to this rank

Several times alreadt

Do I have to keep doing it every few months?

[unreal nova]

Betting you is forced interaction with it to push engagement.

[fair shale]

I'm entirely sure there's a paper somewhere with the words "player retention techniques" written on it with the havoc rank system under it

[hybrid plover]

Has to be

But the thing is

I guarantee you it's having the opposite effect

[unreal nova]

On top of breeding more toxicity.

[hybrid plover]

People here have said they don't do havoc because of the reset.

[unreal nova]

The whole thing already fuels it and that makes it worse.

[hybrid plover]

It's all just. Pointless.

[fair shale]

Look I get that, but you must understand some very smart person somewhere determined seasonal rank resets retain players

It'd be funnier if the real answer was "idk we just felt like it"

[hybrid plover]

Something something raise the stakes or some bullshit

[fair shale]

"we think it is funny you guys are suffering"

[unreal nova]

Something competitive bs go.

[slow sky]

hey i know i joined your lobby after requesting access but can one of you two zealots swap to psyker?

no? ok then im leaving

[hybrid plover]

Sorry. I don't play with people that play for vibes.

[slow sky]

(we won the following game without a psyker whereas he deranked multiple times)

[hybrid plover]

The fact that he missed out on playing with Eldar of all people who's actually a really good psyker too.

[slow sky]

he hates him

[unreal nova]

Is like, ppl just play better on their favored class or something.

[slow sky]

ive seen it

because eldar doesnt run bubble and plays aggressively

and thats a big nono you have to babysit me with bubble on my castigators stance arbites

its mandatory to win

[fair shale]

I kind of do not like bubble

[hybrid plover]

Ngl

Like I'll relent because it gets slow at the time I can play

[slow sky]

did i mention i played with him again earlier this month

[hybrid plover]

But I've been honestly really hesitant of bubble purgers

[fair shale]

Bubble purge is wholly different than just bubble imo

Bubble purge is like seeing plasma DS voc vet

[hybrid plover]

And on red and purple I straight up just decline now

[slow sky]

i found it its still on a vod

[fair shale]

Or was, when they were more common

[hybrid plover]

That build is actual sabotage with those two modifiers I've come to realize

[unreal nova]

Everything is red at the same time and near full hp.

[hybrid plover]

I love pushing things that were actually like, normal and the soulblaze tickles enough to redden them but not enough to out damage the purple so I just get immediately torn a new asshole

[slow sky]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2765056440?t=07h15m04s

ok timestamp thanks for working

just watch from here

[fair shale]

I think I will play havoc tn

[hybrid plover]

He's castigating.

[slow sky]

he was on vet this time

[hybrid plover]

L-

[unreal nova]

And they can't really be CC'd anyway so rip.

[hybrid plover]

What?

[hybrid plover]

We say this but

Psyker does have a means

Of doing that

If people could just get off the inferno staff and be enlightened with the power of trauma staff

[unreal nova]

If it's death, it doesn't count.

[slow sky]

he got netted for being super far behind killing 10 poxwalkers with knife and died
then when he got rezzed he ran all the way back there for the medkit (despite where we are) without saying a single word, and then proceeds to die from specialists a second time
once we get to the end event, the trashtalking starts

[hybrid plover]

But no it's not meta so they can't so that.

[unreal nova]

We all know death is the ultimate CC.

[unreal nova]

Is streamer, they expect to be main char.

[hybrid plover]

Honestly wanna get into a lobby with him and play knife scum

[unreal nova]

Everyone should be side chars assisting his wins.

[hybrid plover]

I know he'd be livid.

[unreal nova]

Trauma is much harder to use. More so on 400~ ping.

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/smyker-darktide-gif-10162177257467084116

[hybrid plover]

LMFAOOOOOO

NO WAY

THIS MOFO IS NOT REAL

[unreal nova]

Streamer egos.

[quiet lark]

???

[slow sky]

i mean the entire end event is just this cuz hes so upset we didnt go back with him without him saying anything

its in that link above

[torpid grotto]

the best part of this gif is somehow being able to get them without taking damage

[tall torrent]

yea well red purple is individual DPS check

[tall torrent]

that's E?

[hybrid plover]

"God forbid I get heals, right?"

All he had to do

Was say something.

It is a such a simple solution to this.

[slow sky]

yeah

i know

but the answer was "should already know"

he kept going on and on about us not being proper teammates when he failed to realize communication is a valuable part of teamwork

[hybrid plover]

It's like he wants a good team but doesn't want to put the effort to be a part of that good team

Can't have your cake and eat it too on that one.

Genuinely just a entitled mindset becoming of a streamer I guess.

[unreal nova]

You either play silent and on vibes or try to communicate and agree on things.

[unreal nova]

Might also be cos streamers play with viewers who will do anything to play with said streamer.

[slow sky]

thats the setup too most of the time

[paper salmon]

Haven't used plasma gun since the update. What stat spread are we going for nowadays?

[unreal nova]

Including playing support builds and such.

[hybrid plover]

Same deal.

[shrewd topaz]

Same

[unreal nova]

Nothing changed.

[slow sky]

we need a vet with voc kraks, a purg bubble psyker, and a zealot with chorus and boss damage, and i will sit here and be castigators

[hybrid plover]

68~69 thermal
71~72 charge

[unreal nova]

Just you pierce less targets now.

[paper salmon]

Ah, still the odd thermal/charge spread then

[hybrid plover]

Highkey I think kraks fell off

[unreal nova]

Still has uses against bulwark walls.

[hybrid plover]

I'd use them for something like shovel db still

[hybrid plover]

You can use frags and kill em still

And frags are straight up self sustaining in havoc

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but that takes more time on avg so depends on spot and team comp.

[hybrid plover]

They're still good mind you but I wouldn't call them the obvious offense pick like they were before.

[unreal nova]

I still think kraks are better if team clearly lacks boss damage.

But frags are more general use.

[hybrid plover]

I've been loving frags again.

Feels nice to not have walls of crushers making them feel like they're doing nothing.

[unreal nova]

Price of it is inf capped specials.

[kind timber]

whats the est way to get the nade sniper achevement

[orchid hemlock]

Deez

[slow sky]

long bomb?

[kind timber]

yes

[slow sky]

either shredders or smokes in an area with an open roof, and angle it upward to where it would detonate right before it hits the ground, so its aoe will still hit enemies

you can find the right angle by just trying it out in the psyk, then do it against a horde

[clever niche]

is agrippina mk 1 autogun still good today?

i have not played for a year so idk what the meta of guns is

[kind timber]

dont think so

i just run a boltgun

might mess with a plasma gun eventualy though

[tame lodge]

Yes

Although

[clever niche]

do vets run any guns besides plasma and bolt?

[tame lodge]

The meta for Iags is Vraks

[clever niche]

what is lags

[tame lodge]

Every gun except Braced Auto

[tame lodge]

Infantry Autogun

[drowsy perch]

Kraks are just "fuck bulwark" and "fuck monstrosity" now

[slow sky]

yes?

[drowsy perch]

recon las is probably most popular vet weapon

[tame lodge]

🛌

[drowsy perch]

atleast universally

[clever niche]

what about kantrael 12

[drowsy perch]

I see recon las in any rank and diff

[slow sky]

the double barrel shotgun is best used by vet

[kind timber]

Is the brittle + the crit ADS the best boltgun mods?

[drowsy perch]

stuff like plasma gun i really only see in auric/havoc

[tame lodge]

That was renamed to mk9
It has a use but you're better off running Mk2 or mk4

[clever niche]

why so

dps?

[tame lodge]

Or was Mk4 renamed to mk7

[clever niche]

idk the game feels really different

[slow sky]

when was the last time you played

[clever niche]

i think i dabbled with the arbites a bit

so about june last year

but vet is much longer before that

[kind timber]

arbites is so fun

i might even get it on pc

[drowsy perch]

theres been a lot of balance changes

arbie is jsut ez mode

[kind timber]

even though id have to pay twice

[clever niche]

this was my loadout ever since beta

but they wiped the skill tree so nothing is left to show

[drowsy perch]

they've reworked them

[clever niche]

ive looked up gameslatern for builds including mk1 autogun but most of them are 2 years ago

so no clue what to do today

[drowsy perch]

iag isnt really used other than vraks

or is vraks a different one

[clever niche]

the DMRs?

those ones?

[tame lodge]

Those are Vigilants

Aka vigis

Vraks5 is an Iag

[clever niche]

renamed i assume

is columnus still a thing

[tame lodge]

Renamed into Vraks

The current columnus is the old graia

[clever niche]

so the meta is close range gun dumping

i see

is there still a build for long range lasguns

[quiet lark]

not really

and yes you can make a build for pretty much whatever you wanna play

[stone zealot]

watchin it rn but like.... is he crying about wanting you to wait when he's running a movetech weapon?

just hold m1 and sprint and you're basically there

[tall torrent]

The way he plays is so devoid of any skill expression lol

[astral ivy]

With stealth, backshot dmg buffs and good movement yea

That’s what I do basically

[tall torrent]

No it’s hybrid vet

[astral ivy]

I never have to melee

[tall torrent]

Melee hybrid is sorta just

Better

[astral ivy]

Melee is for scrubs

[hollow ibex]

not something to brag about

[astral ivy]

Didn’t ask

[hollow ibex]

yikes

[astral ivy]

❤️

[tame lodge]

No no

I agree

Melee bad

Therefore

#buffMelee

[astral ivy]

Only good melee is with the helbore

Otherwise shoot gun and don’t get hit

[tame lodge]

Helbore has a melee?

[astral ivy]

Stolen valor

It has a big ass bayonet😭

[orchid hemlock]

You actually would get kicked from havoc lobbies unironically

[tame lodge]

Melee is for scrubs anyways

So why use bayonet

[astral ivy]

I host my own havoc lobbies lol

[tame lodge]

🤷‍♀️

[orchid hemlock]

People leave

Gotem

[tame lodge]

In fact
They should remove Helbore bayonet

[astral ivy]

Me, my bf , my cousin and my dad clear havoc

[tame lodge]

[orchid hemlock]

If you want to use range all game just play Psyker 😈

[astral ivy]

A family that clears heretics together

That pin cushion

Hell no

[tame lodge]

Psyker has ranged weapons?

[astral ivy]

Psyker has?

[tame lodge]

Psy?

https://tenor.com/view/psy-gangnam-style-dance-gif-21037779

[astral ivy]

Oppa gangn-

Beat me to it

[quiet lark]

buff melee buff smokes buff helbore what else wise higui

[tame lodge]

#buffpsyker

[clever niche]

does anyone have a build for a tank commisar?

[tall torrent]

what is that supposed to entail

[unreal nova]

I would assume that meme of "Drive me closer, I want to hit it with my sword!".

[clever niche]

that is true

what i used to play is a power sword and a bolt pistol

throw a smoke grenade into a pack of enemies and go ham

[tall torrent]

if u do boltpistol just run grenadier + tinkerer

otherwise no reason to play that gun

[clever niche]

is it not popular?

[tall torrent]

it's very popular but not good

one of the worst designed guns in the game

[clever niche]

what makes it ill designed?

[tall torrent]

everything about it is off

damage is bad

recoil is jank

suppression makes it feel worse

reload is just a bit on the slow side

all of these add up

[hollow ibex]

gotta do that fancy spinny reload animation so the entire squad can see

[unreal nova]

Basically, it needs a big buff.

[clever niche]

what is the dump stat for power falchion

how should I spec this, for melee focus build

[quiet lark]

dump mobility. if you're not playing havoc you could probably run cranial grounding + overload to have max empowered uptime

falchion is unfortunately not the best for melee focused build

[hollow ibex]

prob the best way to run it for a melee build

but yeah exactly

[clever niche]

what is falchion good for then?

how does powersword compare

RP commissar mostly

[quiet lark]

power sword is the best melee for vet and one of the best melees in the game for any class

[tame lodge]

Psword is the hydrogen bomb

Falchion is the dying ant

[quiet lark]

falchion is best for ranged focus builds as you'll have more time for it to cool, allowing you to use its empowered state when you actually use it more consistently

but it is also just kinda a mid weapon in general

which isn't to say you can't use it, i think you should use whatever weapons you have fun with

[clever niche]

i'll keep my powersword then

actually how to properly use the power sword

sometimes it just shuts down mid slash

this is what i have

[quiet lark]

if you don't have stun immunity (executioners stance) and you get stunned (hit) you will deactivate

in that sense and because it has weaker dodges it requires you to have decent melee skills / fundamentals

[narrow widget]

spam activate and then schwing schwing schwing activate

[quiet lark]

use mk 6, instead of wrath use sunder or brutal momentum

[narrow widget]

also use mk 6

[clever niche]

what does mk6 do

better slashing?

[narrow widget]

just better overall

[tame lodge]

Better everything

[clever niche]

and how many swing will i reliably get per activation

[quiet lark]

3

[hollow ibex]

let's see

[clever niche]

so 5 if i have power cyler

[hollow ibex]

mk6 gets better horde clear combo

better single target combo

better activation handling

sprint efficiency buff

mk3 gets... sprint activate

[quiet lark]

3 with power cycler 1 without

[clever niche]

jeez

thats sad

[quiet lark]

it's just a mandatory blessing

[clever niche]

i miss my infinite cleave powersword

so this is good?

should i get a new one with mobility dumpstat

[narrow widget]

mobility is always dumpstat

[quiet lark]

you dump cleave targets with sunder or brutal momentum, mobility with slaughterer

[drowsy perch]

its like relic blade except fatshark made it really bad

[clever niche]

I intend to pop smoke and rush in for melee

[narrow widget]

oh yea true

[clever niche]

i assume mobility is necessary

[drowsy perch]

or collat depending on weapon

[narrow widget]

or defenses

[quiet lark]

or damage or ammo

[drowsy perch]

mobility is the main dump

collat is the 2nd one

defenses 3rd

[clever niche]

whats the dump for knife?

[quiet lark]

mobility

[drowsy perch]

mobility

80 mob knife is very fun

but you really want all the other stats max

[clever niche]

what does it affect?

[narrow widget]

move speed and dodge distance primarily

[clever niche]

oh wait

[quiet lark]

check the pinned guide in the channel it has lots of useful information and suggested ways of building each weapon

[clever niche]

one sec

wrong pic

[drowsy perch]

cleave dump sobgoing

[drowsy perch]

tbh idk how much cleave target actually affects

first target dump is also fard

since i think its just initially less damage

though

if you dont care about breakpoints

probably doesnt matter

though on knife i think it does matter

mm

[tame lodge]

Don't ever dump first target

[drowsy perch]

maybe only specific builds

[drowsy perch]

stats are very dependnt on build and what ur doing with it

[quiet lark]

you would want to roll another one unfortunately

[drowsy perch]

but a general rule is:

[narrow widget]

high key i think rollable weapon stats gotta go

[drowsy perch]

1st dump: mobility
2nd dump: collat
3rd dump: defense

[hybrid plover]

oof

[drowsy perch]

i dont really understand what its suppoed to do tbh

other than gamba

[narrow widget]

hell yea we gamba

[drowsy perch]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[narrow widget]

it makes some weapons have very specific rolls you want to achieve

like plas gun and deimos sword

[quiet lark]

yeah it's like a system to force people to play more but really it just makes it harder to get into for newer players

[drowsy perch]

doesnt even matter if u got money

sometimes brunt also got a perfect in rotation

like 3 times now theres been a grey with full mob dump

of a weapon i was wanting

[tall torrent]

wouldn't mind

[tall torrent]

great question

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide

[drowsy perch]

idk how they fucked up the falchion

relic blade is right there

maybe skitarri update will make falchion good

[narrow widget]

path also thinks relic blade is kinda buns iirc?

path can you confirm or deny this statement

[tall torrent]

no

[narrow widget]

ok statement denied

[tall torrent]

I said it's not as good as power sword

I never said it's bad

[drowsy perch]

relic blade is good as shit

[tall torrent]

it's a high t1 melee

[narrow widget]

but thats cuz ps6 is just busted as shit

[drowsy perch]

relic blade i will say is overall better than PS

solely because

rb is way easier to use

u can braindead m1 spam

and win

[tall torrent]

RB is quite significantly worse than power sword

[narrow widget]

ps you just spam activate and then schwing schwing schwing with not an ounce of thought behind it

[drowsy perch]

u have to time

[tall torrent]

this is actually not true

[hybrid plover]

i love relic blade

[drowsy perch]

its heavily timing based

[hybrid plover]

but I cannot justifiably say it's better than power sword

[drowsy perch]

ps is extremely clunky if you dont learn the timing

[hybrid plover]

Because power sword is just that obscenely busted

[drowsy perch]

i am saying from a usability standpoint

relic blade is easier

and therefore better for most players

[silver patrol]

Is it just me or is the bolt pistol just absolutely busted

[drowsy perch]

the easier the weapon the better it is for most ppl

[hybrid plover]

Alright. I actually do understand that thought.

[drowsy perch]

which mk

the boomy or the snipe

[silver patrol]

Trick question

They both suck

[drowsy perch]

was bp nerfed or smth

i remember the snipe one being goated af

[silver patrol]

Elites got their hp buffed

[narrow widget]

only reason u ever use bistol is for the grenade vet build i thought

[silver patrol]

Misses the one shot quite often

[drowsy perch]

i do like boomy bp with boom blessing

just cause its funny

[silver patrol]

Yeah basically

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1tq2znr/is_it_just_me_or_is_the_bolt_pistol_just/

[drowsy perch]

runs up to enemy and fukcing explodes

[unreal nova]

It's even harder to hit reasonable breakpoints without something running away with 4 hp left.

[drowsy perch]

zamn

[quiet lark]

i use it with crusher cause it's funny

[drowsy perch]

i feel like the best way to use boltpistol now is just

run and gun + up close explosion on boom mk

[narrow widget]

even with that one bleed blessing?

[unreal nova]

Shoot twice minimum.

[drowsy perch]

also true

[drowsy perch]

but this is fun

[unreal nova]

That's with bleed. THey completely bleed out to 1% HP left.

[narrow widget]

fucked up

[silver patrol]

I think it's one of the most mediocre ranged weapons tbh

At least when you actually use it instead of being a curio for your nade

[tall torrent]

finished overhauling ranged weapon sections in guide

[drowsy perch]

the sniper bp was a great alternative to the sniper revolver

until it stopped being able to one shot

[tall torrent]

quite nice

[narrow widget]

name a ranged weapon more mediocre

[silver patrol]

Oh brother

[drowsy perch]

infnatry lasgun

[normal sparrow]

The sfx sparks joy
Single digit hp left? Dont care about effifiency in auric

[narrow widget]

isnt vraks pretty good?

[silver patrol]

That and the infantry auto gun you grip

[drowsy perch]

not the IAG

[unreal nova]

That's just below avg hard.

[drowsy perch]

ILG

[unreal nova]

Lasgun. Not auto.

[narrow widget]

icic

[silver patrol]

How do they call infantry autoguns that suck ass again

[unreal nova]

Is why I said, shoot twice or thrice.

[drowsy perch]

its not only like the most mediocre weapon, but its literlly BTFO by heavy laspistol

HLP is literaly just better ILG

[normal sparrow]

Flying knoif to face combat

[drowsy perch]

vraks IAG is epic tho

u can get very silly

[unreal nova]

I mean, you totally can just slide up and stab them.

[narrow widget]

oh wait i completely misread ur message

sry im illiterate

[silver patrol]

At least with the ilg you can shoot heads and kill something fast while being ammo efficient

[normal sparrow]

Bonk to head
Th + bp in auric, its not havoc no need to sweat

[silver patrol]

And without a slowass reload

It has pretty goid finesse irc

[unreal nova]

This is Vet mains, not Zealot mains.

[narrow widget]

if u think about it zealot is just religious vet

[unreal nova]

THey are all vet. Vet, Vet with faith, vet with magic, BEEG vet, vet with dog, druggy vet and now robot vet.

[normal sparrow]

I thought the flying knoif is a good enough hint
For vets bp only work for randomly chunking (nerfed) frags

[unreal nova]

That's just combat knoife and launching yourself into melee.

[silver patrol]

Nerfed?

[normal sparrow]

Uncanny strike interaction

[silver patrol]

Oh you meant that

[unreal nova]

No more uncanny damage.

Yet they didn't buff bleed or frags to compensate.

[silver patrol]

Uh i think they did

[unreal nova]

THey did not.

[silver patrol]

Didn't they buff bleed adm

[normal sparrow]

Nah only soulblaze adm

[unreal nova]

Unless you are saying we do fire or soulblaze.

[quiet lark]

not bleed

[silver patrol]

I thought bleed was also included but i must misremember

That's crazy

Buffing soulblaze of all things

[unreal nova]

THe joke is the weakest DoT didn't get a slight buff to compensate.

Why everyone was WTF about it.

It was one thing to leave it as is.

THey BUFFED it.

[drowsy perch]

just use the HLP for that

its way more effective

[silver patrol]

True but in a vacuum

[drowsy perch]

why is true in a vacuum

[silver patrol]

I mean, it's the infantry lasgun is better than the bp in a vacuum

Despite obviously being outclassed by the laspistol

[drowsy perch]

i still dont understand

[unreal nova]

Bistol needs a MASSIVE buff.

Simple as.

[drowsy perch]

just give it back its one shotting ability

[unreal nova]

The boomy mode needs an EVEN larger one.

[drowsy perch]

ogryn bolt bistol

ultra boom

[silver patrol]

Also called bolt cannon and installed on tanks

[unreal nova]

The only reason they were considered okay was because 1 shot potential and grenade buffing.

[drowsy perch]

like i said it was a good alternative to revolver sniper

[silver patrol]

Yeah it was a weaker but less clunky alternative to the revolver

Alas

[drowsy perch]

since u could one shot precisely at ranged

but it was more versatile

sniper revolver is very strong but not super versatile

bistol is

and was

but now it cant 1 shot

[silver patrol]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

2 weakspot or 3 body.

[formal pendant]

any tips on completing the long bomb penance

[unreal nova]

Body requires bleedout.

[unreal nova]

Find a bridge and toss high.

Or you can gamble from the start of train.

Drop down and toss over the 'tower'.

I got it that way getting lucky at having enough spawns.

[drowsy perch]

i got it on that cargo mission where u have to load the ammo barrels into the big container

stuff that spawns at the door u oriignally left through and stand at the cargo container

p sure thats far enough

or the snipers that spawn on either end of the map

easiest mission to get it probably since ur there for a while and its very long and opeb

[shrewd topaz]

Does expedition mortar shell grenade not work anymore or something

[unreal nova]

The big grenade?

Oh and btw, you can twin the flare to ask Maozi to shoot things.

You get 2 valks pewpewing.

[shrewd topaz]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

It's hilarious when we got 4 of them.

Double twinned.

Two vets.

[unreal nova]

Last I played, 2 days back, they worked.

Was there an update inbetween?

[shrewd topaz]

Idk but no one suggests it so yeah

5 minutes of expeditions isnt that bad 🥹

[unreal nova]

Try 50 mins.

[shrewd topaz]

You just need to pipebomb a horde with the nade 🥹

[unreal nova]

1 run, and it failed because I can't solo 4 bosses at the same time.

I could, if the last wasn't a bloody packmaster and 50 dogs.

Was just abusing stealth to bleed 'nade kill the rest.

Packmaster means can't safely rescue either.

[junior grail]

I really wish that Mortis Trials and Expeditions get improved to the point of Havoc

[unreal nova]

GL with that. Mortis got FUCKED because of expeditions.

The wave density got tripled.

Which means seeing over 30 trappers in a wave is very possible.

[junior grail]

Bye bye to whoever wants a different game mode experience...

[tall torrent]

finished all ranged weapon sections + shock maul

only TH left for melee

then new class & intro

[unreal nova]

Fatahark just has no idea how to code spawning differently between gamemodes maybe. Because expedition spawning seems to have leaked everywhere.

And that's even before the crusher numbers nerf.

[pseudo fiber]

Level 4 vet cannot solo havoc 40

Is it le over

[unreal nova]

I think they are playing just campaign on like... malice at most?

[pearl oasis]

2 of the many flavours of Vet

[hard lake]

Is shockmaul more of a single target weapon?

[tall torrent]

no it's just not very good

wish it was better

[hard lake]

Fuuuck

It seems quite fun to use

Rashads axe it is then

Also do backs count as weakspot?

Or is it mainly heads

I know that head does more damage

[pearl oasis]

Should be whenever you get the doubled hitmarker

[hard lake]

Gotcha

Because it is annoying to hit multiple melee hits on a crusher for me

[pearl oasis]

usually heads for most enemies though Beasts of Nurgle have a back weakpoint of the giant orange pustule

[hard lake]

Yuh

Honestly I think i will try out Paths Revolver loadout

Never got to try out the anti armor nade

Plus the Revolver is quite fun

[pseudo fiber]

Great against captain shields though

[hard lake]

Bulwarks?

Or what are captains

[pseudo fiber]

The guys with the yellow shields

[hard lake]

Maybe i just play on a too low of a difficulty level for them to spawn for me

Oh you mean those bosses

[tawny badger]

captains are those bosses with the energy shields

[hard lake]

Yuh

[tawny badger]

You can also hit burgles in the mouth although I don’t think it’s quite as effective vs the back pustule

[agile forge]

I think it counts as a weakspot for effects, but doesn't have the same super bad damage reduction as the back boil

[tawny badger]

oh yeah
mouth is 1x while back spot is 1.4x according to gameslantern

[hard lake]

Also I'm starting to think Carapace may be better than unyielding

Most of the annoying enemies seem to use carapace

Is flak carapace OK on single target weapons?

Or is unyielding really that good

[turbid ibex]

Unyielding is bosses, bulwarks and reapers

Carapace is pretty much just maulers and crushers

[agile forge]

Also twins I think? And scab rager bodies

and a few bits on bulwarks and reapers that are easy to aim around anyway

but carapace is much less prevalent than it used to be

all depends on the totality of your build and your weapon choices

[merry cosmos]

How is this for a DS + plasma weapons specialist build? possible to handle havoc 40? any tips for improvements to this build?

[agile forge]

Did you miss the node that reloads your plasma for you from WS? Feel like that subnode is the whole reason to take WS

[turbid ibex]

Kraks need tinkerer to reliably one shot crushers for 40k

[agile forge]

Or is that the middle one now lol

[turbid ibex]

Not needed for plasma

[turbid ibex]

Replace duelling sword for something else

[tame lodge]

I do think you're being too much single target with this

[unreal nova]

If you learn to reload cancel, you won't need it.

[turbid ibex]

Your horde clear is going to be ass with that setup

[toxic blade]

WAAAAAGH!!

[unreal nova]

Ping me if they reply they shoot hordes.

[toxic blade]

cheese quesadillas

[tame lodge]

Do not waaaaaagh me

[tawny badger]

if you're running plasma you can probably drop dueling sword for something like dclaw

[tame lodge]

I spent 3 hours fighting Orkz in Gladius

https://tenor.com/view/pornacore-dan-hentschel-boing-boing-gif-17129663767629148035

[toxic blade]

did you git krumped

[tame lodge]

Nope

It was just really bad map

[tawny badger]

you're laffin
you saw a git get krumped and you're laffin

[agile forge]

Power sword 6 is an option

[tame lodge]

When you have 52 units and you have to funnel them through a tiny piece of land, it gets🥀

[agile forge]

Nice flow with the plasma and WS

[tame lodge]

Average guardsmen Moment

[tawny badger]

just win

[merry cosmos]

why dclaw?

isn't ds like the best melee weapon?

or did it finally get nerfed again

[agile forge]

What is "best"?

[tawny badger]

it got nerfed
it's still fine but uncanny strike now inflicts brittleness instead of giving you rending

[agile forge]

It's the best single target maybe

But you need more than that

[merry cosmos]

damn

[agile forge]

You have krak and plasma already

[worthy solar]

psword probably has more single target than ds though

[agile forge]

Power sword is really good with the attack speed boost

[worthy solar]

dueling sword has mobility over power sword

and 20x worse horde clear

[agile forge]

Tac axe then maybe idk

[merry cosmos]

whatever makes it easy to clear havoc 40 i suppose? im refreshing builds on all my characters, but usually a psyker main (which is where I do all of my crazy builds)

[tawny badger]

I still would recommend dclaw primarily because parry is funny

and good horde clear I feel

[agile forge]

I feel like power sword is super solid with attack speed boosts, I didn't run them before and thought it was shit or at least too clunky for me as a result

[merry cosmos]

I have tinker?

[agile forge]

Tbh I have never played with devil claws

[worthy solar]

too bad crushers are an extinct species

[agile forge]

Last weapon category I have never touched maybe even

Well that and crowbar

And vigilant autoguns I guess

[serene bough]

Dclaw is fun for rager hordes and demonhosts

Esp on hscum

[merry cosmos]

so dclaw, ps, and tac axe are the better melee weapons for vet?

[agile forge]

I mean, for what you are showing us

Not in general

[tawny badger]

oh yeah dclaw also shuts down.. basically all bosses

[agile forge]

Combat blade also great

[turbid ibex]

No lmao

[serene bough]

Ps6 for most circumstances will offer you best mileage the higher up you go in difficulty

[worthy solar]

power sword is the solution to every problem

[turbid ibex]

Dclaw isnt really good

[serene bough]

Knife is a good safety stick and tac axe is a good sidearm for more ranged focused builds

[turbid ibex]

The top3 vet melees are something like power sword, tac axe and rashad caxe

[merry cosmos]

Well let me ask this. Since its been 6+ months for me since I played Veteran. Is weapon specialist still a good keystone to go for?

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[tawny badger]

it's a good keystone yeah

[agile forge]

Dclaw seems to have dedicated fans

[turbid ibex]

All vet keystones are good

[worthy solar]

yeah all vet keystones are good this time around

they have their purpose

[agile forge]

MF is a bit awkward but it's at least very good now

FT and WS easy to use and very good too

[turbid ibex]

The only issue with mmf is pathing

[agile forge]

Don't take FT and then never tag anything though lol

[serene bough]

I dont see people run FT anymore

[unreal nova]

Just go keystoneless at that point.

[serene bough]

Mostly WS or MMF for helbore builds

[turbid ibex]

I see it quite a bit

[merry cosmos]

on PS mobility dumpstat I take it

[turbid ibex]

Cleave targets

[tame lodge]

Devil's Claw is actually pretty bad

[unreal nova]

Cleave targets.

[tame lodge]

In general

Don't use it

[turbid ibex]

Unless running slaughterer blessing then dump mobility

[merry cosmos]

thats lucky then on my first roll lol

[agile forge]

What's the consensus on Sunder Vs Bromentum ATM?

I get how they work, just wanna know what we tend to get better mileage out of

[worthy solar]

i was completely unaware that people used bromentum on psword

[tame lodge]

I was 1 Kastelan robot kill away from victory

[agile forge]

I have a feeling that Sunder scales better into difficulty, but not sure where the inflection point is

[merry cosmos]

for the rest of the build i posted is there anything off about my talent picks? any suggestions?

[quiet lark]

momentum better into hordes, sunder better into high density elites

[quiet lark]

you need to run tinkerer with kraks in havoc

[merry cosmos]

is krak not what I have picked?

hold on

[worthy solar]

you have kraks but no grenade tinkerer

[merry cosmos]

ah i missed that on that tree

in game i have it

lol

i just built on the website and missed it

just realized what i posted was 29/30 points

and was looking at my skill tree in game and like uhh

[quiet lark]

lol i was like i feel like they're missing a point

[merry cosmos]

hard to screenshot the entire build in game, so use website for screenshot purposes lol

[turbid ibex]

Get the toughness boost and ogryn/monstrosity damage nodes

[tawny badger]

there's also a mod that-
well, if you bother with mods, there's a mod that compresses the talent tree in-game so you can screenshot it

lemme see uhhhh

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

[merry cosmos]

question is what to drop for those

[turbid ibex]

Ammo

[merry cosmos]

From the left tree?

[turbid ibex]

Ye

What doed the tree look like rn

[hard lake]

You know im surprised there arent any chaos space marines in the game

[merry cosmos]

well these are at the end

[hard lake]

Would be kinda cool to fight one as a boss

[merry cosmos]

we have basically 0 chance in hell of being strong enough lore wise to beat one tbh

[turbid ibex]

Lol

Lmao

[hard lake]

Nah i could solo one

[tame lodge]

Actually true

[hard lake]

Watch me backstab one

[turbid ibex]

We have so much shit that could kill a marine in lore

[tame lodge]

It's ok
SM aren't that immortal

1 plasma shot is all it takes

[hard lake]

How effective are bolt guns against them?

[turbid ibex]

Morrow killed a chaos marine by having his troops focus fire on him with lasguns

[merry cosmos]

should i drop the weakspot and ranged damage too?

[turbid ibex]

No

[hard lake]

Also why do we have bolt guns for vet?

Arent they reserved for space marines

[merry cosmos]

id still have to take a point from somewhere else to get ogryns / monsters then

[turbid ibex]

No

[hard lake]

Oh

[turbid ibex]

Theres a fuckton of different models of bolters

[hard lake]

I was told that theyre basically religious items only allowed to me handled by certain individuals

[turbid ibex]

The ones we have are specifically human sized

[hard lake]

I see

[turbid ibex]

What does the rest of the tree look like

[tame lodge]

Locke Pattern is for Arbites
So we have precedents of human sized bolters

Also

It's a Warhammer game

Of course it has to have bolter

The usual pattern for Spaez Mareens is Ultima

Then it just goes on

Godwyn Ultima

Then you have the Godwyn-De'az pattern

Which is often used by the Sisters

[turbid ibex]

Godwyn-De'az nuts

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-simpsons-gif-11543356

Bolter Carbine is funny

[merry cosmos]

would people in here drop elite damage and ammo to get ogyrn / monster damage?

[turbid ibex]

Not elite damage

[agile forge]

I usually take both TBF lol

[merry cosmos]

im really not sure what else to sacrafice then

[turbid ibex]

What does the rest of the tree look like

[merry cosmos]

what i have currently

[turbid ibex]

Could drop out for blood

Also power sword really wants exestance

Over shout

If youre going with shout i'd say to go rashad instead

[merry cosmos]

why does power sword want stance?

[turbid ibex]

Stun immunity

Exestance also just really good

[willow prairie]

both is fine for psword

[merry cosmos]

what is dump stat on plasma?

[turbid ibex]

@tired egret

Thermal dump works if you dont have the dockets to gamble

[tame lodge]

Have you ever rolled for plasma with your entire wallet on the line

[turbid ibex]

Have you ever rolled

[tame lodge]

I don't smoke

[turbid ibex]

What about dodge rolled

[tame lodge]

Keep rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling

[unreal nova]

I mean, you can do it on the side... just 1 million dockets at a time.

[merry cosmos]

blessings and perks for ps and plasma?

[turbid ibex]

Power cycler mandatory for power sword

[merry cosmos]

guessing cycler and slaughterer

[turbid ibex]

Slaughterer if you have mobility dumped

[unreal nova]

Power cycler and Sunder/Bromemtum.

The latter is taste. Sunder is probably better into havoc.

[turbid ibex]

The pros of each blessing are explained on the image

[unreal nova]

I don't load images on phone.

[tame lodge]

Waow (based based based based)

[unreal nova]

Discord would nuke my limit and unless you are offering $20 per gb I go over, not worth the risk.

Yeah, the fines/fees for going over is insane.

[turbid ibex]

Btw @tall torrent guide doesnt specify the damage bonus applies only to heavy attacks

[surreal rune]

i thought it applied to all energized attacks

unless that changed

[turbid ibex]

Only to heavies

Even the blessing description in game specifies only heavy attacks get the damage buff

[surreal rune]

ah

[agile forge]

Cycler yes, but slaughterer is worse than bromentum and sunder. A little bit.

[surreal rune]

flak over carapace now?

[agile forge]

Oh shit

Always thought PS6 was just a light attack weapon anyway

[turbid ibex]

Carapace perk fell off with reduced crushers

[turbid ibex]

It is

[agile forge]

So for me definitely take bromentum I guess

[turbid ibex]

You take sunder for cleaving through carapace and 4x effective cleave

[agile forge]

So use a heavy swing if it's carapace or something that won't die in one hit and you have sunder

[turbid ibex]

No

Just lights

[agile forge]

But sunder only affects heavies?

[turbid ibex]

The damage bonus

[agile forge]

Oh right lol

[turbid ibex]

Carapace cleave and enemy mass reduction are all attacks

[agile forge]

I got you now

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[trim badger]

So it's trash then

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

Why would you think that

[tame lodge]

No no I agree
#buffSunder

[tough nova]

Yea 400 % cleave and carapace override is terrible

[trim badger]

I'm just memeing

[gaunt eagle]

What are the ideal melee weapons for veteran (for crowd clearing)

[serene bough]

Psword mk6

[gaunt eagle]

What other options?

-# i like having more than 1 option

[turbid ibex]

rashad caxe

[gaunt eagle]

What

[turbid ibex]

combat axe

[gaunt eagle]

Alrighty sounds good

[serene bough]

Besides combat axe and psword there isnt much

[silver patrol]

shovel

[serene bough]

Tac axe is decent but not the greatest in horde clear

(Compared to the other two at least)

[silver patrol]

heavy sword

[gaunt eagle]

Good to know

[hollow ibex]

it's not bad

esp since you can go with very little investment

[stoic jetty]

How do you guys build your Tac Axe? Shred/Brutal momentum?

[turbid ibex]

headtaker instead of shred

[kind arch]

does executioners stance outlining count as tagging for focus target?

[grand perch]

up to auric: bromentum + headtaker
havoc: decimator + headtaker

[turbid ibex]

no

[gaunt eagle]

Can someone give me advice on how to build my power sword? I feel like it just halts after hitting the furst enemy

[pseudo fiber]

power cycler

[whole solstice]

^

[gaunt eagle]

What does it do, im reading and i dont understand TwT

[pseudo fiber]

so when you activate the power sword you get 1 charged swing

power cycler ups that to 3 per charge

[gaunt eagle]

So, power sword isnt great unless you have that perk?

[pseudo fiber]

pretty much

it is mandatory

[gaunt eagle]

So max level i get like 15 swings?

[pseudo fiber]

You get 3

[gaunt eagle]

Ah. Well alrighty

[whole solstice]

you only need 3, you can just activate it again immediately after or during a block

[gaunt eagle]

Is the power falchion a easier option? Because leveling the power sword sounds absolutely horrid having to block and power it up after every 3 swings

[whole solstice]

power falchion is weird to me man ive never been able to get its damage output even close to what I have on power sword

[golden olive]

Why are people praising the Psword? This thing sounds ass ngl

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword is the best melee in the entire game lmfao

[whole solstice]

[gaunt eagle]

Is it just like a skill based weapon or something?

[whole solstice]

this

[golden olive]

Force greatsword would disagree

[whole solstice]

all weapons are both skill and playstyle based

[pseudo fiber]

Well that'd be impossible because the power falchion is bad lololol

[gaunt eagle]

Are we saying that cuz its cool or whag-

[pseudo fiber]

We're saying that because it's damage output is bonkers

[gaunt eagle]

Stats wise it seems to be better however

[whole solstice]

you should choose a weapon not just because you think it's powerful but because you think it's badass. we're playing 40k video game here

[gaunt eagle]

Huh. I just- i guess i need to level it cuz it DOES NOT feel great

[pseudo fiber]

That's reasonable

power cycler + brutal momentum

that's the two

also use hte mk6 power sword

that's better of the two

[whole solstice]

i use mine with slaughterer

[gaunt eagle]

I am using the mark six but its level 350 with sunder (was not my choice)

[whole solstice]

honestly I just walk over to the armory shop and start buying grays until one rolls with the exact stat block I want and then I upgrade that to max with the perks I want by upgrading the leftovers and scrapping them for weapon xp

probably inefficient as hell but it allows me to curate my weapons after mindlessly farming random missions for 3 hours

[pseudo fiber]

remember if you're power leveling buy the weapon you want to level up, upgrade to green, sacrifice for exp
so if you want to level up combat axes buy those and sacrifice those

[tame lodge]

That's because falchion is less than 50% or Psword dps

[gaunt eagle]

So i buy the power sword from the brunts armory?

[tame lodge]

It's a weapon's fault

[gaunt eagle]

Level those up? Sacrifce?

[pseudo fiber]

yup

only to green though

[whole solstice]

I would consider that sound advice, definitely helps if you can get ahead but not everyone has 3 million dockets

[gaunt eagle]

Im not high enough mastery level and now my throat is raw from my scream

I cant upgrade em to green

Nevermind ignore me i was looking at the wrong thing

[whole solstice]

this is the approximate build I run on PS. Mobility dump stat with max potential for the other 4 at 80. Rerolling for these can take a long ass time though if you're unlucky and it can be expensive. But one major thing to make note of is that the push-block follow up attack for the Achlys is a stab, so whenever you hold your push-block into an attack you can use that to combo a crusher and 2-tap them before they even raise their rebar for an overhead

leading into a light from the stab will always perform an overhead swing

[gaunt eagle]

Should i take those perks or stuff with blockin?

[whole solstice]

The perks listed are probably going to help you a whole lot more

[gaunt eagle]

Understood. I appreciate it. Ive saved it all

[whole solstice]

relying on normal blocks is a bad idea, focus on dodging and staggering with pushes

[gaunt eagle]

I probably wont have slaughter on it tho

[whole solstice]

Slaughterer is the best option since it adds the most to the weapon for what the proc requirements are compared to other perks

Rampage is next best imo

[gaunt eagle]

My biggest issue though is that i feel like the weapon just gets stuck on everythin

[whole solstice]

that's what the power is for

[final charm]

Cadian in a wheelchair simulator

[gaunt eagle]

Hwut

[final charm]

Look at the dodge distance compared to every other weapon

[tame lodge]

Use Sunder then

[gaunt eagle]

Is the mobility the reason people use the psword?

[whole solstice]

not at all

it just genuinely has fucked dps when you build it right

[final charm]

I meant the dodging is a bit slow.

[whole solstice]

I have one built on my kasrkin kit with recon las and maybe 2-3 perks from my class actually affecting it and I can walk up to crushers on auric and slap them

[whole solstice]

this is entirely dependent on your weapon

for most melees I think it's decently reasonable but duelling sword and knife have some ridiculous dodges

power sword doesn't have the same capabilities in terms of mobility as either of those

knife is such an agile weapon it can actually make you faster

[silver patrol]

Knife literally overrides your dodge profile pretty sure

[hollow ibex]

yup

[final charm]

are you saying mobility stat wise or?

[whole solstice]

no lol

[final charm]

Explain

oh I misread how you said it

[whole solstice]

different weapons have different numbers of dodges and differing dodge distances

[silver patrol]

Every weapon has its own sprint, acceleration, dodge count and dodge distance

[final charm]

of course but like -14% dodge distance is wild

[whole solstice]

he said it better than I did but yeah that's more approximate

[silver patrol]

Eh

[whole solstice]

not really

[silver patrol]

Around the usual for heavy weapons

[whole solstice]

you already only dodge like 2m

if even

I mean if you want to play the game ultra fast veteran is not the class for that

[silver patrol]

It is, you just need to pick the knife

[whole solstice]

you can do it with veteran it's just better with zealot more often than not

[silver patrol]

Hivescum is faster

Go play hivescum

[whole solstice]

yeah that too

[final charm]

honestly I don’t care about the dodges I care about the activation window for powered mode, that’s even worse.

[silver patrol]

It's a clunky weapon

But it's a big trade off

[whole solstice]

I don't like how most of their abilities were implemented tbh, I think the mechanics surrounding stimms for them is pretty interesting but when I watched HS take an RPG to instantly oneshot and detonate a patrol of scabs that included upwards of 6 crushers I immediately lost interest

[silver patrol]

Me when the class doesn't have 3 shit grenades

[whole solstice]

no, for me it just removes fun by denying me a fight

[hollow ibex]

don't use the rpg

i don't use it

it's boring

[whole solstice]

^

[final charm]

It’s insanity that smoke grenades exist next to hive scums crazy three nade options

[hollow ibex]

at least smokes regenerate

unlike zealot's immolation nades

which are just tox nades but bad

and don't regen

[whole solstice]

every time they come out with a new class they give themselves another 5 reasons to overhaul the original four

[hollow ibex]

the powercreep will continue until morale improves

[silver patrol]

I think they should buff hivescum

[tall torrent]

Will fix (fixed)

[hollow ibex]

they will likely need to after skitarii comes out

[silver patrol]

So true

[tall torrent]

I’m close to finishing all melee weapon overhauls

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[merry cosmos]

if only these numbers were reversed

Actually would this be better than just dumped thermal outside of the perfect roll with 71 charge and 69 thermal?

[tall torrent]

Ya

[silver patrol]

the difference between this and the so called "perfec roll" is literally 0.01s of charge

[surreal rune]

you mostly just want the two shot on vent and 8 shots from 0 heat

iirc

[kind timber]

just got to level 30!!

for the first time (on pc)

[turbid ibex]

that talent tree 🥀

[kind timber]

Its served me well on damnation missions

i just try to avoid melee

and spam my skill like crazy

[turbid ibex]

you really shouldnt

[fair shale]

Vet is very good at melee

With one of the strongest melee options in game

[kind timber]

as long as im not out of ammo i kill the most elites on my team usually

if i wanted to run melee i would run zelot

[turbid ibex]

like your build is missing out on so many key nodes

[tawny badger]

you're playing darktide

you're gonna melee at some point

[kind timber]

if im playing vet im playing ranged like 90% of the time

i can kill chaff in melee quite easy but if its an elite melee unit im boltguning them

time to make a zealot build

[pallid jetty]

let him learn the lesson the hard way

[tame lodge]

No no I agree

Melee is trash

#buffMelee

Specially on vet

So

#buffVet

Also his power sword is pretty icky

#buffPowerSword

I would also let Fem cutthroat kill me

#buffPlasmaGun

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[tame lodge]

Hold on just saw the build

No Iron Will is crazy

[turbid ibex]

no one motion

with bolter

[tame lodge]

Although it has Precision Strikes so it's already better than most builds

[turbid ibex]

no demolition team either

[hollow ibex]

the first pin has a good example of builds

and a lot of good information on vet / other classes

[hard lake]

why dont operative share skill points and weapons?

[surreal rune]

they share mastery

if you have 20 mastery levels on a weapon between classes, you can get one on a perhaps new class and level it to max

[hard lake]

@tame lodge Can Tac axe replace Combat axe in a build?

[tame lodge]

Sort of but not really

You can drop the 10% attack speed talent and pick up the tactical Axe

But it's a combat Axe so it's really hard to justify anything else (if you can afford it)

[agile forge]

Tac axe is a different kind of weapon, much worse Vs Carapace specifically

Love it Vs everything else but mostly play it on Zealot and Scum

[hard lake]

its specifically for Paths Brawler build

is there anything else i can use instead of Combat axe?

i have max mastery for it but all of my combat axes are below power 400 lol

i think i have a 460 power sword?

[hollow ibex]

power sword is a good alternative

[kind timber]

but zelot has big swords and hammers

[hollow ibex]

if you can handle the gameplay

[kind timber]

why run puny axe

[hard lake]

no clue what the gamepley is

[hollow ibex]

a lot of repeated activations

careful positioning

[agile forge]

So then they don't expect the Bolter

[hollow ibex]

and carefully timed dodges lol

[hard lake]

yeah i suck wiener at all of that

[hollow ibex]

taxe is great for ranged builds

[hollow ibex]

rashad is very easy and strong, so i'd stick with rashad in that case

[hard lake]

i see, i just hate how annoying getting higher power weapons is