veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Skip the revive node

If you feel like you want to know what you're doing, go stealth and play the objectives

[unique stump]

what do you mean by "know what youre doing"? like just hitting my shots?

[analog mural]

He means if you are a competent player who is capable of being self sufficient

[unique stump]

ah

[agile mango]

Which grenades do you guys think are best in havoc nowadays?

[unique stump]

then exec stance it is

[hollow ibex]

Exec stance takes more skill to play because you can’t use it as an oh-shit button

[fair shale]

I like having smokes more than the others I'm ngl

[worthy solar]

all have good use cases

[fair shale]

Yeah

[agile mango]

I think I’m on team smokes

[worthy solar]

kraks good for bulwarks and bosses (crushers are a dead species)

[unique stump]

ig i can kinda use shredder nades with exec as a kinda oh shit button

not very fast but

[fair shale]

They might've overdone crushers I'm ngl

[worthy solar]

its 35% less crushers and further 15% less in havoc

but it feels like even more of a decrease than that

i went from seeing crushers every two arenas to like

one pack per match

[fair shale]

It feels like 90 percent but I'm not sure if that's because rot armor gone too tbh

[hybrid plover]

It's probably cuz there's much more of everything else spawning

[quiet lark]

well the numbers they said were just their estimates of the effects of the changes on average. in my experience it feels more like 70 % or so in havoc

[worthy solar]

well when rotten armor comes back around we'll see, it specifies rotten armor packs are also reduced

[hybrid plover]

So it feels like there's less crushers comparatively as well

[fair shale]

Yeah

It's defo confirmation bias rn

[worthy solar]

crushers costing more to spawn will mean that the director just spawns other things

so i suppose it makes sense

[hard lake]

trappers can go fuck themselves

[serene bough]

Im ok with this

I got very tired of the constant 20+ crusher clown cars quickly

[frank basin]

Garh fuck my power port got very hot playing darktide

Now i can't play dorktide while overheating my laptop

[hollow turtle]

Coming back to darktide. Last I was on, havoc wasn't a thing.
Am I expecting to get trash talked by sweats?

[pseudo fiber]

okay you have a lot of catching up to do hahahah

Well havoc isn't instantly harder than auric

so you should be alright

[hollow turtle]

Lol gonna be weird being that level 30 playing Malice-Heresy until I remember everything again.

[fluid mantle]

nah i see plenty of 30s in both

(me being one of them)

[hollow turtle]

Awesome.

[tall torrent]

play the event, it gives extra resources and has rly strong modifiers that trivialize difficulty

[trail quartz]

hai whats new : 3 whats up in vety class

[split estuary]

Hey hey

[hybrid plover]

Shrimply just throw yourself into a havoc 40

You'll learn the game real quickly that way

[turbid ibex]

so true bestie

[hybrid plover]

God this reminds me of when I actually took one of my closer friends who's way more of a casual for this game than me into havoc 40 because they were curious about it

[turbid ibex]

that image of the guy from all quiet on the western front

the before and after the war

[hybrid plover]

LMFAOOI

Literally said to me "who even are you and how did you manage to get to this rank if the game's like this"

[tall torrent]

I can’t decide if I actually want grenadier for frags atm

It’s rly good for frag but idk

[hybrid plover]

I think if the build can fit it, it can come in clutch to have

But I also don't think it's necessary.

[tall torrent]

Krak value is mainly bulwark atm

Frag for mauler/rager/shotgunner/gunner

[hybrid plover]

I will say

If you're running bistol and don't have grenadier tinkered frags

What's even the point 😔

[tall torrent]

I’m only 2 shotguns and flamer away from finishing ranged section overhaul

Also sent u the dot comparisons in dm

[hybrid plover]

If I'm running bistol I am investing full stop in carpet bombing the entire map

I saw

[turbid ibex]

what will you do after

[tall torrent]

2 melee left

[hybrid plover]

At least toxin seems

[tall torrent]

And intro sections

Then arb

[hybrid plover]

A bit leveled out.

A bit.

[tall torrent]

I think ogryn after arb?

I’m actually curious about og weapons’ stats tbh

but this alrdy is in progress

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-cut-the-cameras-oh-gif-14660544808882242526

[tall torrent]

Karsolas and power maul are prob the best melee weapons rn

[turbid ibex]

yippiee

[tall torrent]

Even above FGS, Rashad and power sword

[tame lodge]

Absolute 180° that the paul had

[turbid ibex]

karsolas my goat

[tame lodge]

Beware of who you call ugly in high school

[tall torrent]

Karsolas 2 shot maulers on body hit

And heavy stagger

And smth like 27+ cleave

[tame lodge]

Yeah we already know the pickaxes are goated

[tall torrent]

2 of the 3 are

[hollow ibex]

Bruh seriously? 💀

Am I going to have to play ogryn again

[tame lodge]

You'll get to cleavers and find out that they are good at hurting naked things

[tall torrent]

Yea. Just my opinion tho

[turbid ibex]

hopefully yes

[hollow ibex]

Perhaps one day

[hybrid plover]

I think mk4 ain't terrible if you have some rending for it into armor

[tall torrent]

IV is generally good with 2 main weaknesses

Dreg rager stagger (because FS gave its H sweep 0.5 maniac stagger ADM)

[turbid ibex]

idk shit about cleavers ngl

[tall torrent]

And carapace damage (but u won’t fight crushers that much)

[tall torrent]

They’re sorta like heavy sword / knife hybrid

[hybrid plover]

I mean there is the concern of maulers

[tall torrent]

They’re highest move speed weapon for ogryn

[tall torrent]

Just stab body, it’s like 3 hit and sustained stagger

It’s not that bad

Main issue is Dreg rager stagger

[tame lodge]

Boasting good cleave damage distribution into naked enemies

[hybrid plover]

But it's awkward to hit chest on ogryn since

[tall torrent]

U can immediately tell the difference when 6 Dreg ragers swing at u and ur melee does nada

[hybrid plover]

Tall

[tall torrent]

Mauler isn’t ogryn tho

[tame lodge]

Aka infested unarmored unyielding and maniacs

[hybrid plover]

I mean hit chest

As an ogryn

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad actually

I use max height og and I can still do it very consistently

Just look at feet

[tame lodge]

Freaky ahh path

[tall torrent]

(I’m not into feet fyi)

[hybrid plover]

I'm a little worried by how many chadgryns you put here

[turbid ibex]

allegedly

[tall torrent]

I’m much more of a 颜控 person tbh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

Anyways

Looking forwards to the punches adms

It's going to be really funny

[turbid ibex]

idk what that means

[tall torrent]

Basically “judging a person’s appearance’s beauty mainly based on their face”

[turbid ibex]

so youre a face guy then

[tame lodge]

Oh so book by cover type deal

Eh it's normal

[tall torrent]

No it’s a bit more like

Fascination with a person’s face

Hard to translate

[turbid ibex]

dont think i ever heard of that kink before but go off

btw path do you still have the gif of the two guys and the speech bubble

i lost it

[tall torrent]

It’s not a kink it’s just that I appreciate prettier faces more than large boobs or ass

That’s about it

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[turbid ibex]

thx

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kirk-tony-stark-avengers-kirkified-gif-4618820868378725995

[tame lodge]

Path getting to the Rippers and noticing that the bayonet is the best part of the weapon

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-grumpy-try-not-to-laugh-gamer-gif-12435949962407938232

[turbid ibex]

bayOwOnet

[tidal fox]

mfw when someone says they play shovel unironically

[tall torrent]

Rippers are kinda ok they just need more consistent damage

[tame lodge]

I know they're ok but that's not the narrative I'm going for

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-10597537029835390618

Although I'd love more ammo on them ngl

[turbid ibex]

the consequences of ammo being the dump stat

[tame lodge]

Best dump btw 💀

[tall torrent]

ammo is not the dump stat

it's just specifically 66

collat is dump stat

[turbid ibex]

it is the lowest stat so i call it the dump stat

[tame lodge]

Yeah but like
You're not getting collat as the lowest stat

So

Schrodinger's dump stat

[tall torrent]

also I updated class base stats sections

[turbid ibex]

i wish they'd change the blessings on ripper so they'd always proc every round instead of 10% of mag

so that way you could actually dump collat

[tawny badger]

hey is it just me or does tox bomber gas last way longer than I remember

[hybrid plover]

Not that I can tell

But what I can tell is that there's simply fucking more of them now.

So the clouds ends up feeling longer since theres just, more clouds in general.

[weak silo]

I can't wait to snipe some heretics from Waaay back hehe

[vale vapor]

can anyone help me with the on overwatch penance? been trying a few times and cant seem to get it

im a voc veteran

[tall torrent]

I can help in ~30 mins when I’m home

[vale vapor]

awesome thank you

[weak silo]

Honestly depends on the team. I got the build for staying back with bolter and chainsword and for the mission, I think I got it on the train but anything not Espionage should work

[tall torrent]

Still there?

[vale vapor]

yerp

do i send my player info or steam friend info? first time doing this sorta stuff

[tall torrent]

Either is fine

[vale vapor]

25248457

steam friend code

[tall torrent]

Give me a moment verifying file integrity

[tall torrent]

1 sec, still verifying

[agile mango]

is 72% ammo and 68% thermal resistance bad on the plasma?

[tall torrent]

Check if u can actually hipfire 8 times without venting

[agile mango]

it does

do I trsash it or do I replace my 60 charge rate plasma with it?

[tall torrent]

If u can fire 8 times then it’s good

U can scrap old one

[agile mango]

sick. the extra 8% ammo on the old one isnt that meaningful?

[tall torrent]

Oh wait

U said less ammo

No

U want thermal & charge rate to be specific numbers

Other 3 stats being 80 is priority

[agile mango]

so scrap the 68% thermal one?

[tall torrent]

Unfortunate but yea ig

[torn depot]

Has anyone paired the Deadshot talent with the plasma gun?

[quiet lark]

doesn't work

[torn depot]

Dang it

[quiet lark]

deadshot is also generally not very good

[torn depot]

Thats a shame

Time to hunt for plasma gun builds

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

Plasma is quite flexible with builds tbh

U can do WS or FT depending on what ur melee is

[torn depot]

Trying out dueling sword

I just found out it had the parry ability like the catachan sword

[stuck gorge]

they stole the one unique thing dclaw had and gave it to dsword to replace its poke ability

[tall torrent]

DS fell off with recent balance change tbh

[tame lodge]

Yes but less defensive and more offensive

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239079446732869743/1290766375765413958/ezgif-7-f82d4a7d07.gif

this is for general chat ignore this

[unreal nova]

I mean, is why it's hard to balance. You nerf the damage and it's now part of the pointless to use group of weapons.

[tall torrent]

it's not pointless

[unreal nova]

Well, it's kinda is but not in the dumpster section.

[tall torrent]

nah it's still a very safe single target weapon with high mobility

I'd say low t1 ~ high t2

but it's nowhere near pointless

[hollow ibex]

definitely not pointless

[tame lodge]

No no I agree

DS bad

#buffBadWeapons

[shrewd topaz]

Agile dsword meta trust

[agile mango]

my build good? using plasma and PS in havoc 40. 6 stacks of redirect fire lets me two tap crushers with PS.

[tall torrent]

do u need serrated blade

also take precision strikes

[agile mango]

i swap between it and field improv; it feels weird using field improve when I just have smokes though. sometimes the bleed lets me finish off enemies left on a sliver of health.

[agile mango]

what could I drop to make it work? also, i thought precision strikes was bad now.

[tall torrent]

6 stack FT, longshot
no it is good (especially since power sword has good finesse mod)

tinkerer even

[tame lodge]

No no I agree
PS bad
#buffPS

[tall torrent]

I have doubts on the consistency of that crusher 2 tap, as well as the usefulness of it

[agile mango]

I think I tried that and the breakpoints are identical.

[agile mango]

it works like 70% of the time. I either need 6 stacks of redirect fire and 4 stacks of FT, or I need 6 stacks of redirect fire and 4 stacks of skirmisher, or I need 6 stacks of RF and agile angeagmeent. Need exploit weakness and stacks of slaughterer for all of them too.

[tall torrent]

Are u sure that’s super relevant of a breakpoint to hit?

I’m assuming u run carapace perk with this too

That’s a lot of investment for an enemy with such low spawn rate

[agile mango]

I do. I didn't know what I'd gain by investing in precision strikes which is why I tried for the 2-tap breakpoint. like IDK what other breakpoints I could meet by dropping 6 stacks of FT or longshot

[tall torrent]

Better damage into everything

30% weakspot in this case outperforms 5% damage from 6 stack RF because it’s in a different multiplicative bracket from +damage

And idk why u have to build for a specific crusher 2 tap with so many strings attached when crusher doesn’t even spawn that much now

[agile mango]

does that change any breakpoints though? from my testing I still have the same breakpoints into other melee elites and gunners.

[tall torrent]

Unyielding flak is better for vast majority of cases

[tall torrent]

Are u only checking first target

[agile mango]

yes

[tall torrent]

I still don’t know why u specifically go for a niche crusher breakpoint

[agile mango]

b/c I couldn't find any other breakpoints I wouldn't meet if I invested in the crusher breakpoint. I basically couldn't find any other breakpoints to build towards since I found the PS sword kills rager blobs in 3 swings no matter what I do, and that it 1-2 taps maulers/plasma gunners too even if I don't have Precision Stikes.

[tall torrent]

U can 2 hit both rager types with first target damage

[agile mango]

with light attacks?

[tall torrent]

Yea

I don’t even use FT for power sword

And the other thing is

I don’t think raw dps breakpoints matter as much vs crushers compared to stagger (which u get from other 2 grenade types)

They don’t live long under concentrated fire and you’re not gonna be the only one attacking crushers

[drowsy perch]

whats the fastes combat axe

[tall torrent]

III

[drowsy perch]

i tried rashad with the ignore hitmass and strength on hit

but it was so fucking slow

[silver patrol]

and it's still the best one

[tall torrent]

You’re supposed to build attack speed for it

And learn sprint cancel

[drowsy perch]

how u build atk speed on vet

[tall torrent]

By taking the attack speed talents?

[drowsy perch]

does vet have any melee ones?

[silver patrol]

one i think

[drowsy perch]

afaik vet barely even has attack speed in general

[silver patrol]

and you basically always take it

[tall torrent]

Yea

[drowsy perch]

oh yeah trench fighter

i always take it

[tall torrent]

And WS

[drowsy perch]

still slow as balls

[drowsy perch]

whats ws again

[tall torrent]

Right side keystone

[drowsy perch]

oh weapon specialist

[silver patrol]

yeah i mean, its like the only weak point of the weapon

[drowsy perch]

not watersport

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-pee-cat-pee-funny-lmfao-gif-14727908981812019274

i think im already using ws

maybe

well

different build

[silver patrol]

didn't try the mk8, but i think the other marks are even slower

btw do weapons have a different acceleration value in sprint

[tall torrent]

yea

[silver patrol]

because sometimes when i start sprinting with the combat axe it's like

being immobile for a second

[drowsy perch]

also headtaker or decimator

headtaker i imagine is easier to keep up

[silver patrol]

headtaker

[tall torrent]

headtaker is the strongest strength blessing in the game

decimator is one of the worst

[hollow ibex]

all my homies hate decimator

[drowsy perch]

flak and cara or manic

[silver patrol]

unarmored and unyelding maybe

[tall torrent]

unarmored/flak + carapace

[silver patrol]

or flak

[drowsy perch]

prob do flak and unarmored then

[silver patrol]

always nice to handle a rager horde with it

[agile mango]

nvm it two-taps those as well on headshots; I'm just bad at getting headshots

[tall torrent]

even still why do u not choose the more dmg option

[drowsy perch]

ive wanted to like crusher but it just

its so slow for what other weapons can already do decently

[tall torrent]

crusher?

[drowsy perch]

the weapon

not the enemy

[tall torrent]

yea it's rly strong

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14487494673583362967/4FF5E8E27CE4E7380EF762A83B2FA72EBC23F010/

[agile mango]

I want to if it lets me kill faster. however, rn in the psykhanium I am getting the same breakpoints on all melee enemies

havent tested all ranged yet

[tall torrent]

I did the math too, u don't actually need 6 stack FT for crusher 2 tap

4 stack FT tag + slaughter max stack + skirmisher max stack + EW active is enough, and this is assuming u don't crit in either of 2 hits

so u should just take precision strikes

[agile mango]

whats EW?

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness

[agile mango]

thx

[agile mango]

I'm gonna play a bunch a games with this tomorrow

leave PS blessings/perks as they are?

[tall torrent]

math here

412.5 x1.25 x1.25 x(2+(1.65+1.32)x0.6x(1+0.3+0.25)) x1.4 x(1+0.15+0.15+0.2+0.25+0.2) x1.05^4

this is with precision strikes

gets u over 10k

[tall torrent]

carapace + whatever other perk u like

tho personally I think unyielding flak is best atm

because crushers just don't spawn that much, and neither mauler nor plasma gunner is so high hp that u need to take carapace perk for them

also for maulers u may want to bodyhit to cleave through (and hit 2) for stagger anyway

and all of this is still assuming u don't crit
but u will, given desperado & reciprocity

flak means u can 1 hit scab shotgunner & gunner

and may 1 hit scab rager with activated heavy

and better mauler body dmg

and better bleed dmg (frag)

[tame lodge]

This says a lot about shovel

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-snake-egypt-going-crazy-gif-3975191495809689503

[tidal fox]

shovel mentioned

rip off my skin immediately

[tepid otter]

I am right in understanding that the shared Exec Vision only last the 6seconds no matter the uptime you get? Or does it last for the duration of how long you have Exec active through active killing

[tidal fox]

the former

[tepid otter]

Noice

[drowsy perch]

why is it

[kind arch]

guys any advice on using the powersword? its so awkward to use for me it feels so clunky

[crimson garden]

Power and then sword

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWX6LSMRecY&list=PLP-FRAIIeIoci539nBVL_mL_tnXi36lkx&index=4 Blessings might be off on this but the attack combos should be good?

[drowsy perch]

just turn on swing 2 or 3 times (i forget how many power cycler adds) and then turn on again

i think its turn on, swing 3 times, then turn on again

also yea cycler and sunder are usually what ppl say to do

[crimson garden]

With the MK VI you go into the light stabs with a heavy? So the combo would be special, heavy, light, light or is PA more efficient?

[kind arch]

i guess its just a playstyle issue then, idk why it feels so weak to me D:

will probably give it a few more games and see how it goes before i go back to my old reliable chainsword

[crimson garden]

Are you using the special frequently?

[drowsy perch]

its really strong but heavily relies on knowing the timing/combos

and yeah u gotta use the energy basically all the time

otherwise its a butterknife

[kind arch]

im trying to use the special every 3 swings but i find it doesnt do enough damage before i turn the special back on

especially against ragers and the heavily armoured enemies idk what they are classified as, carapace?

[crimson garden]

Not like the relic blade where it's still a big fuckoff sword

[drowsy perch]

idk what mk im using but i do a heavy into 2 lights

after activating

[crimson garden]

Gotta turn the smack back on

[drowsy perch]

and then just loop that

[hollow ibex]

psword is janky but it's super powerful

[drowsy perch]

its very "skill" based

[hollow ibex]

way stronger than chord

[kind arch]

seems like it takes some time getting used to

[crimson garden]

Is this for armoured ogryns?

[drowsy perch]

i say "skill" because its fairly simple to use, you just need to know the timing

[kind arch]

its kinda slow compared to just running around with the combar knife or chainsword

[drowsy perch]

elites or specials

[hollow ibex]

yeah you give up mobility for a fuckton of damage

[drowsy perch]

combat knife is meant to be speedy, chainsword depends on mk

[hollow ibex]

ps single target combo is PA + L + L

heavies are basically never used unless you're using mk3 (why)

[drowsy perch]

heavies for sunder

i forget what mk

the heavies do go hard

if you can get it right

[hollow ibex]

no reason to use it

simply attack more often

the only time might be mutie one shot?

can't think of anything else

[tall torrent]

gains stack once per attack, not per hit
loses all stacks on a miss

[drowsy perch]

hard to do when the activation is like 2 seconds of potentional cucking

[hollow ibex]

it's really not that bad with animation cancel

[drowsy perch]

oh its one of those mf talents

[hollow ibex]

unless once again you're using mk3

[drowsy perch]

idk animation cancel and i can tbe bothered to cheese it

[hollow ibex]

it's not cheese...

[drowsy perch]

im never gonna remember to do it

[hollow ibex]

it's literally a game mechanic lol

it's super easy

activate and block and let go

or activate > push

[drowsy perch]

ya but im gonna end up like

not doing it idk

[tall torrent]

it'll become second nature lol

[drowsy perch]

its like how dclaw has a parry

[hollow ibex]

gonna have a real bad time with ps if you don't animation cancel

[drowsy perch]

i always forget it exists

[drowsy perch]

my second nature is

heavy attack

my first nature is

light attack

like half my builds are spam or hold m1

[crimson garden]

I knowww. I just hate PA's lol

Never could get them quite right in VT2

[drowsy perch]

hmmm

so

WS gives 33% ranged crit chance per melee stacked

which is 10

so you get 100% crits for 10 seconds pretty easily

combine that with no ammo consumption on las crits

and you got ultra infinite laser

obv running infernus

not sure what i should put the 2nd one

trying out immune to ranged on close kill rn

then dumdum

[hollow ibex]

the 100% crit is only for one shot to be clear

[somber axle]

if it was 100% crit for 10 seconds that would be broken

LOL

just for the next shot

but it's funny to imagine how crazy that would be

[hollow ibex]

yeah imagine a vraks with 100% crit rate for 10s

you could prob delete a boss in a single mag

[drowsy perch]

i mean, the crit chance stays at 100%

WAIT

i know why

because no consumption on crit

you never actually shoot

so as long as you keep hitting a crit you have a fuckton of crit

[drowsy perch]

i was using vraks before

its very silly

[tall torrent]

not how it works

due to crit string

[willow prairie]

bro been spreading misinformation left and right

[tall torrent]

misinformation is only cool if I'm the one spreading them

[drowsy perch]

idk that seems to be how it works

i will get video of test

after diner

[tall torrent]

after first shot which can kick off crit string, during which crit calculation does not apply, the shot following the last crit string's end will not get any crit chance bonus from WS and roll RNG as normal

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-stone-infinity-stone-gamora-gif-14046382

[drowsy perch]

maybe its a live server thing

nothing in an actual match i can ever replicate in psykhanium

but i had a 100% critrate (as shown by the crit chance mod) and an ammo that only ever went down on shots i missed

until the 10s was gone

the actual game servers have insane wacko shit that only works in the servers

like being able to stack stimm and supply on scum

for 2x the stim

[tall torrent]

or maybe it's just placebo

[quiet lark]

p sure show crit chance is just not always right, have had it show 100% before and then not crit

[steep flower]

Don’t test it
Its ‚on next shot’; read the talent first…

[steep flower]

Know this;
For 10s your next shot will be 100% crit if you get 3 stacks
Thats it; no ‚infinite crits’ or some other hogwash - 1st shot only

[drowsy perch]

is shred on dclaw good

??

is it literally just that it also adds it to allies?

why is it worded like that

[shrewd topaz]

yes

[silver patrol]

It's worded completely normally?

[drowsy perch]

i have made a silly build

crit build reconlas (fastest firing) with infernus and brittle talent

• WS because it makes it even faster

[agile forge]

So, the same silly build that every veteran not running plasma does

Although I tend to prefer Focus Target with my recon Flamer knockoff

[drowsy perch]

idk if its the one everyone runs

but its very fun

laser drill

does rending also work for fire tho

[turbid ibex]

Another one lost to mk13 recon onslaught

🥀

[unreal nova]

But some do it with VIc.

[proud parrot]

Is power falcion good?

I never see anyone use it

[pseudo fiber]

Its the middest weapon

Below mid actually

[proud parrot]

So like worst melee?

[pseudo fiber]

Uhhhh

The bonesaw is probably worse

[proud parrot]

For hive scum?

Never thought a dlc weapon would be bad

[pseudo fiber]

Well it's less bad and more awful to use

No cleave

Sticking on everything

Sucks

[turbid ibex]

No stagger

[tame lodge]

That would be dclaw mk1

[pseudo fiber]

No dick No balls No ass No nothing

[turbid ibex]

https://youtu.be/4C53tWDlSA0

[pseudo fiber]

You can use the power falchion with paths sniper build in the pinned guide and do fine

Mainly because there won't be any specialists to deal with and by golly it can kill chaff

(The bare minimum)

[turbid ibex]

Complete dogshit against ragers tho

[tawny badger]

complete dogshit against what

[turbid ibex]

@tall torrent redirect fire is saying +2% damage per stack instead of 2.5%

[near abyss]

But isn't 3a better than Mk5 damage wise?

[heavy rover]

yeah, it's a tradeoff between charge rate and outright damage

so a slower charge rate is a whole lot more punishing if you miss

[near abyss]

So the heaviest variant is dog?

[turbid ibex]

No

All 3 marks are good

Its pretty much up to preference which one you pick

[quiet lark]

respectfully how is that ur conclusion from that message lol

[turbid ibex]

Though mk4 has fallen off a bit cause less crushers and ogryns in general

[tame lodge]

No
Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[turbid ibex]

But its still solid

[steel lagoon]

I think the only thing that is strictly worse across the three variants is the bayonet on the heavy. The rest is preference

[tame lodge]

There's just not enough worthy targets for it

So it felt offended and ended up letting their younger siblings shine

I think
I miss my crushers

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-i-miss-my-wife-gif-11815978239493048011

[quiet lark]

me too 😞

[turbid ibex]

get better on your aim then

[tropic halo]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HI3RlCpakAAtkKH.webp

[tame lodge]

I don't get it so I'll ignore it

[tropic halo]

Carapace spam was the only thing saving the game....

[tame granite]

we're getting shieldvermin equivalents with skitarii launch so hordes will be a little harder to clear shortly

[tropic halo]

Wont matter with the power creep

[tawny badger]

yawn

add carapace poxwalker

[turbid ibex]

make every enemy carapace

[tame granite]

flying poxbursters

[tawny badger]

flying enemies in general would be kinda dope I think

evil ass servo skulls

flying.. nurglings? are those a thing

[turbid ibex]

if you throw them hard enough

[unreal nova]

Well, if you fastball special one, does it count?

Flying things are Slaanesh related from memory. You create a companion from your own flesh that looks and acts like a Cherub.

[last marten]

bulwarks but theyre grunt and elite enemies
lowkirkyahuinely will go good to break up the monotony

[tawny badger]

if I see anything resembling a bulwark shield on a trash mob I'm going to explode

[turbid ibex]

bulwarks already are elites

[tawny badger]

trauma

[turbid ibex]

middivers

💤

[last marten]

nah theyre so slow its practice headshotting them

[tawny badger]

helldivers is hilarious because there's a team that's doing a thing called uh

custom galactic war I think

[tame lodge]

Oh the mod

Yeah

[tawny badger]

and from what I hear it's just completely undercutting the main game

[last marten]

i applied to their discord and was denied

[tame lodge]

I chose to ignore it

[last marten]

😌

[tawny badger]

-# provided you can actually get in

[turbid ibex]

dont think i heard of it

[tame lodge]

The devastator shields being breakable now is kinda

Whatever

[last marten]

crueler than the job market

[tawny badger]

I find it hilarious that they keep saying "oh this mod isnt made to bash the devs" and it's like

it's gonna be used to bash the devs no matter what

[turbid ibex]

what does the mod do

[last marten]

takes arrowhead a week to fix a fun bug but a year to fix fleshmobs going underground

[tawny badger]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/833872523488786640/

custom modular mech arms (and shoulder mounted lib)

growing balance changes closer to being a horde shooter with jacked spawn rates

custom biomes and points of interest and a custom war table with an evolving story ran by the modders

and special armed seaf soldiers that exist outside of citys

from the post

[turbid ibex]

damn

is it good

[last marten]

finally... a reason for light pen

[tawny badger]

I wouldn't know, hadn't really gotten a chance to try it out myself

[tall torrent]

Will fix

[near abyss]

I tried Havoc 24 with green variant. It no longer oneshots some enemies in the head compared to meat grinder auric 😭

And doesn't kill basic gunners in the body half the times

[fast scaffold]

It's gonna get nuked when they change anti-cheats imminently

[turbid ibex]

did they actually confirm theyre doing that

[mighty kestrel]

I'm sure with you 100% that's the cheater going to figure someway how to bypass

Game guard can be broke by easy anti cheat via lua script so I'm not really surprised

kernel level my a*s

[fast scaffold]

The dev team said 1 of three things will happen, they will charge money for it to update it more (unlikely imo, arrowhead will get involved if that happens) they'll stay on an old version of the game, or they drop it

[mighty kestrel]

Hmmm maybe they probally gonna drop it

[heavy rover]

I can't remember what mk is the green variant. Maybe try the mk IIIa?

[mighty kestrel]

Every patch AH always try to patch the medal and sc drop cheat but the cheater always fingure way some how to bypass it lol 😭

Lowkey I think they should remove the game guard at this point

[merry shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1471192855413391463/1508825187154526339/image.png?ex=6a199575&is=6a1843f5&hm=8d2c7de7c64c426a48cfdaf5f45b050e111e72e4d946338ee76b718bab3a0ece&

Wtf no embed???

[turbid ibex]

image.png lol

[merry shard]

I made ammo my dumpstat on a lucius-lasgun

[turbid ibex]

you need convict role for image permissions

[merry shard]

I'm running exe stance deadshot shocktrooper veteran

[merry shard]

How doth one acquire it

[turbid ibex]

yap

[merry shard]

holy yappatronics

I must go super saiyap

[turbid ibex]

deadshot

[merry shard]

was is die problem

[turbid ibex]

deadshot is pretty much a meme

[merry shard]

I am not very well versed in the discord community

Educate me

[turbid ibex]

stamina drain is bad and theres better sources of crit chance

[merry shard]

yeah the drain is abysmal

I agree

what better sources

[turbid ibex]

reciprocity and surgical

[merry shard]

where are they again

[turbid ibex]

surgical is a blessing and reciprocity is at the bottom right

[merry shard]

oh recioprocity is on the commando tree

I already run surgical gang

I'd show you the gun I got but

NO EMBED

[turbid ibex]

lol

[merry shard]

do you want me to dm it

[turbid ibex]

lmao

[turbid ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[merry shard]

the drip on a scab gunner never ceases to amaze me

[turbid ibex]

replace maniac and carapace with unyielding and flak

[merry shard]

But I need carapace for maulers and shit

Might switch maniac with unyielding though

[turbid ibex]

and you need flak for scab gunners and shotgunners

[merry shard]

Oh

Lucius does not need flak to kill those

I instakill them

lmao

I even cleave through and get collateral kills on them

My biggest concern is boss damage

I guess I could swap maniac with unyielding

[merry shard]

I do good but not good enough
Especially captain/lieutenant shields, I cannot do enough damage

[turbid ibex]

dont shoot shields

[merry shard]

I know I know

But I'm a little glass cannon veteran

[silver patrol]

yeah if you just spam m1 with your melee you do more damage

even with no investement

they also have a damage cap i'm pretty sure and melee attacks almost always reach that cap

[tawny badger]

high-tech fullbody energy shielding when it sees a crackhead with a crowbar

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-gif-6787187216558248524

[near abyss]

3a is the green

[merry shard]

can we normalize racism against daemonhosts

[tawny badger]

dont we already do that

[merry shard]

Make it more apparent

[tawny badger]

all classes should now violently throw slurs at daemonhosts

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[merry shard]

This is based

basedpilled

[tawny badger]

you thought zealot-psyker racism was bad? you aint seen nothing yet this coming update

[merry shard]

skitarii racism is not real, it cannot hurt you

[tame lodge]

No

They are victims

And very loyal to the emperor

So you should be kind

And grant them the emperor's mercy

At EVERY single opportunity

[unique stump]

why is executioner stance preferred over voice of command?

[heavy rover]

strange, my mkIIIa build does headshots well. what talents/blessings do you run?

[tame lodge]

Shit ton of self buffs

The most important one being stun immunity

And constant toughness regen

[near abyss]

The very same you have in build page, with the exception of Weight of Fire instead of Armourbane

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[heavy rover]

Huh, that is strange

[unique stump]

i wish the helbore was better

[quiet lark]

wdym 😭

[hollow ibex]

It would be overpowered if it was better tbh

[quiet lark]

if you have your mmf stacks you will one shot all human gunners / shotgunners with a charged shot in havoc 40

you can one shot a lot of targets without full stacks with a crit or with executioner's active

[near abyss]

mmf?

[quiet lark]

marksman's focus

[near abyss]

I use VoC

[quiet lark]

well u will be missing a bit of dmg there then

could just hold for crit on those targets you can't one shot

seems like flamers need crit without executioner's

[tame lodge]

I'm curious
How?

[quiet lark]

actually in h24 you hit all breakpoints anyway

[unique stump]

idk how man, just better somehow

maybe slighly faster charge time

[amber vortex]

The helbore is good tho

Unless maybe a krieg cosplayer is using it or something

[tame lodge]

🥀

But I agree

Even though it's good

It should be better

#buffHelbore

[amber vortex]

Pls no

[quiet lark]

buff helbore and bring new krieg cosmetics

[turbid ibex]

also outlines

[hybrid plover]

Helbore is an exe stance weapon tbh

Don't need to shout to get out of a bad situation if you have precognition to not allow that situation to happen to begin with.

[tall torrent]

Finished DB section overhaul in guide

[turbid ibex]

pog

[tall torrent]

Also fixed

[turbid ibex]

pog 2

[tall torrent]

Also I actually wanna do og weapons soon

[turbid ibex]

pog 3

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-stop-crying-stop-that-stop-it-meme-stop-meme-gif-4767603389624698127

[tall torrent]

Veteran is an exe stance class tbh

[tall torrent]

The TLDR is just Karsolas / power maul / shield

And maybe cleaver

[near abyss]

@heavy rover Fr?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[heavy rover]

Either works imo, I set it to VoC for the team support with golden toughness

[near abyss]

Which power sword mark is better?

[turbid ibex]

6

[near abyss]

With horizonal light attacks?

[tall torrent]

Yez

[near abyss]

And what's the second blessing to use?

[turbid ibex]

slaughterer/sunder/bm

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[hard lake]

Path

I need you to make the Revolver good

[silver patrol]

it's already good

[tall torrent]

It is really good already

[hard lake]

Thank you path

[tall torrent]

Unless ur using the fan fire version

[tame lodge]

Path
I need you to make Ogryns guns good

[turbid ibex]

path

i need you

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Ask Hank

Or ebic coal

I’m one of the guys that actually like ripper guns lol

Idk I think they’re balanced somewhat ok for melee og

Besides the twinlink

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[tall torrent]

See there’s ur answer

[tame lodge]

Nah
He's ok with ogryn guns being sub brauto performance too

Oh well

Fatshark knows what they are doing

https://tenor.com/view/they-got-him-ted-ted-show-gif-4342699035732514153

[turbid ibex]

but do you know what youre doing

[tame lodge]

Yes

[heavy rover]

Bold of you to assume I know what I'm doing

[turbid ibex]

no you dont

because youre not fatshark

[tame lodge]

I Literally do

Because I'm shilling for Fatshark

Fatshark has never done anything wrong

[hybrid plover]

It works but it noticeably synergizes with Exe Stance

[heavy rover]

yeah, that is true. I tend to run more team-focus builds so that's why I prefer VoC and even smokes lately

[hybrid plover]

Having foresight of where enemies come from, combined with the ranged damage pushing breakpoints, and stun immunity giving you constant wiggle room if you're caught slipping by a poxwalker or something, all adds up very well for Helbore in particular

It's support in the sense that you can just shut down specialists before they become an actual issue in the first place.

And admittedly, the setup you'd want to use Helbore on, actually does provide some room for Born Leader

[turbid ibex]

also toughness regen means gunners and such dont put as much pressure on you

[hybrid plover]

So it can very much be support for your team when you're constantly circumventing chip damage for them just by being next to them and doing your job.

[heavy rover]

fair point

[drowsy perch]

i love funny laser drill build

[tidal spade]

Which of the revolvers is better? Making a cowboy build and the one where you brace instead of aiming would be appropriate but it deals less damage so idk

Does have more ammo tho which is nice

[tall torrent]

2a is one of the best guns in the game

[tidal spade]

Damn

[drowsy perch]

the bracing one kinda just sucks ass imo

its got horrible accuracy all round so its kinda just like a shitty closeranged revolver

lot less armor punch too

[tidal spade]

Damn, that's a shame, I find that one's aiming more comfortable tbh

[drowsy perch]

im sure theres a use for it but overall the precise revolver is way better

and one of the strongest weapons in the game

if not the outright strongest in raw/crit damage

ranged weapon*

[hybrid plover]

Boss killer

But it doesn't bode well for vet specifically

I'd run it on Arby or Scum though

[quiet lark]

definitely doesn't suck

<@&735928989146939404>

[tidal spade]

Dude got hacked

Poor bastard

[tired ember]

Thanks for the ping! I swear its every day with these things

[pseudo fiber]

Mods stole more money

FUCK

[tired ember]

i horde all the mr beast crypto bucks to myself

[tidal spade]

[steel veldt]

Iirc, Infiltrate got buffeD?

buffeD*

buffed*

from 50 sec CD to 40, right?

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073712559359807519/1496637658678431744/goldensigma.gif

[quiet lark]

thank you mario

[surreal rune]

yeah

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[steel veldt]

so good

[worthy dragon]

Smoke grenades should extinguish Scab Bomber's flames

I will say it here and i will say it over and over again.

[heavy rover]

agreed

[quiet lark]

it'd be nice but it's not like smokes need to be stronger

[final charm]

why not?

[hollow ibex]

smokes can be good in havoc but they're honestly kinda pointless in anything lower

[quiet lark]

cause they're really good and arguably vet's best nades on certain maps / modifiets

[hollow ibex]

arguably is doing all the heavy lifting in that statement

[quiet lark]

point is smokes are very good as is and don't need a buff

[final charm]

smokes should be a good pick all around but they fall into niche. 🥀

[slow sky]

smokes are good at what they do and what they do is good

the literal only problem is the visibility

[quiet lark]

smokes aren't really niche, i wouldn't say that

[slow sky]

smokes are like a psuedo psyker bubble

in terms of function

thats not niche at all

[final charm]

whar

[slow sky]

it does require more proper execution than just
throw at horde
throw at ogryn

[slow sky]

Smoke cloud effect: 5.5m radius, lasts for 15s; disables HUD nameplates of allies; players inside smoke are considered 'concealed' which alters the line of sight distance requirement of enemies during target selection; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in melee combat, the smoke has no effect on enemy perception; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in ranged combat, then the smoke makes the ranged enemy stop firing and change positions (this includes Sniper; Reaper is less likely to reposition); Gunners and Reaper when they are inside the smoke cloud's area of effect themselves keep firing at a player's last known position; Pox Hounds cannot lock on a player who is inside smoke cloud's area of effect and will keep circling the cloud; Trapper and Flamers need to be closer to players in order to start their shooting action; no effect on Bombers, Mutants, Poxburster

[hollow ibex]

good in a gamemode that prob 3% of players play

how is that not niche lol

bubble and smoke really don't add much value outside of high havoc

[final charm]

Games enemy AI is just too fucky for me to rely on smokes, that is my personal opinion.

I may suck and my smokeless havoc 40 runs will probably suffer, but I enjoy the other nades far more.

[quiet lark]

i mean i don't think that's much point talking outside of high havoc cause everything is more than fine outside of it

[hollow ibex]

smokes aren't

lol

[heavy rover]

yeah, outside of havoc you can run even the most shitpost build and be fine

[serene bough]

they could use some buffs to utility

[quiet lark]

smokes have value in solos and duos auric

[hollow ibex]

smokes/bubble are just a waste of outside of high havoc

[serene bough]

stam regen or fire extinguishing

[hollow ibex]

ok so you went from a gamemode that less than 3% of the playerbase plays, to a gamemode that prob 1% of the playerbase plays

thanks for making my point

[quiet lark]

idk why you're so mad 😭

[hollow ibex]

mad implies i care

lol

smokes are irrelevant, so i don't care

[quiet lark]

ok you don't need to care

[final charm]

can we kiss already

[quiet lark]

🤷‍♀️

[hollow ibex]

i would care if smokes got some additional utility

but it prob wouldn't ever happen

[quiet lark]

why don't you go argue with Cole if u think smokes r useless 😭

or aren't niche

[final charm]

hold it, niche and useless are not the same.

[hollow ibex]

well he's not the one dying on this hill, why would i argue with him 🤔

[quiet lark]

wdym dying on this hill, we expressed the same opinion and you decided to chase it with me

[hollow ibex]

yeah you're dying alone on this hill

for whatever reason

[quiet lark]

sure you can disagree with r

me

[hollow ibex]

but maybe you can pop a smoke

and get off on it

[quiet lark]

idk why you're being rude like

[hollow ibex]

and feel better

[quiet lark]

i don't think i said anything against you

[worthy dragon]

You guys have no idea how many times i've died to Scab Bomber spams

[quiet lark]

i think i have an idea lol new spawns have been crazy after crusher changes

[final charm]

A smoke grenade build would’ve fixed that unironically

[worthy dragon]

Smokes countering them fckers could be a great thing

[hollow ibex]

tox bombers are still worse

now that's a hill worth dying on

[tidal fox]

all u need is one decent vet and theyre not a problem

[final charm]

biggest injection of TOX since launch

[tidal fox]

the only times I've noticed games lost to bomberspams is when we have dogshit ranged capability

[quiet lark]

smokes don't do anything vs bombers actually i fear

[hollow ibex]

1 every 100 games with pubs (unless i'm the one playing vet)

[hollow ibex]

smoke moment

[tidal fox]

yeah if I play vet specialists are rarely big threats

[worthy dragon]

I mostly play Auric Maelstorm & Havoc 40s as Vet and i still think Scab Bombers are the bane to my existence.

[tidal fox]

but then occasionally you might get a shout focus target vet with their head up their ass targetting the shotgunners

[tidal fox]

do yhou play exe stance

[quiet lark]

to be fair the bomber changes made it so they can chuck 1-2 bombs before even being in anywhere shootable

[worthy dragon]

Shout and Stealth i hardly use exe stance.

[serene bough]

the problem is they fill a niche thats remedied by player skill, i.e. dodging ranged damage and positioning

[tidal fox]

theres your problem

exe stance is an absolute hard counter to specialists

if youre running stealth and shout your gonna struggle more

and have less control over the game

[worthy dragon]

That's a really hot take ngl

[hollow ibex]

is it?

[serene bough]

you could make the same argument for bubble to an extent, but inferno staff 5-fold tops vet mixed horde damage, doesn't obscure your vision, and provides buffs to the team

[hollow ibex]

i mean ES does actually counter specialists pretty hard

[quiet lark]

it's pretty hot for the general community rn

i think shout is still seen as the meta option by many

[tame lodge]

Idk about the vision part dawg

[serene bough]

pls

[tidal fox]

dare I say it lets you have the most control over the game

[worthy dragon]

I mean, shout is just amazing i could rev everyone in exchange for ES?

[tidal fox]

depending on your skill level

[serene bough]

the few times ive played with smoke vets the amount of smoke spam is obnoxious

[final charm]

hmm 5 foot smoke wall or 15 foot funnel of blue flame…

[tidal fox]

if people go down people go down but I guarantee you bombers would rarely be an issue if you run exe

[tame lodge]

That was probably me
Alone

[tidal fox]

it just needs more skill

[tame lodge]

💀

[tidal fox]

stealth fills a niche exe doesnt fill tho

[worthy dragon]

lemme test that sometime

But regardless, i stand by my statement

[tidal fox]

youd have to find a teammate that replaces your shout tho

prolly gonna need a chorus zealot

[worthy dragon]

Smoke greandes should extinguish Scab Bomber's flames.

[tidal fox]

or your stealth also replaced by zealot

[tidal fox]

that would make smoke tooooooo strong

smoke is already really good in the highest difficultiues

[quiet lark]

which is what i was saying before being told i was dying on a hill

[tidal fox]

why would you be dying on a hill bro 💀

[quiet lark]

alone xd

[tidal fox]

have the redditors from r/darktide infiltrated vet chat

[hollow ibex]

because he thinks that a blitz only good for h40 doesn't need changes

[quiet lark]

well firstly, they

[tame lodge]

No no I agree
#buffSmokes

[hollow ibex]

god forbid it gets a bit more utility to make it relevant outside of h40 lol

[tidal fox]

I mean what else are you thinking to add to smoke to make it more viable

I dont mind it sticking in a niche

[hollow ibex]

putting out fires and tox gas

would be my vote

[quiet lark]

but i said exactly what Dave said lol, that if it were to extinguish fire from bombs it would be too strong

[hollow ibex]

i know path also has ideas

[worthy dragon]

exactly

[final charm]

why doe… smoke being able to do more would be reddit chungus pog…

[hollow ibex]

i mean if you only want smoke to be good in h40, keep it the way it currently is

[quiet lark]

bring back the smoke bug where u could go out of it and itd be considered still in 👍

[hollow ibex]

i will simply continue not taking it

[tidal fox]

this would just make it absolutely insane

Im sorry this is outrageous

[hollow ibex]

lol what

there are ways to balance it

it could be a delayed effect

it wouldn't even outlast pox gas

it'd still be weaker than bubble

[tidal fox]

but then smoke would dominate higher difficulties even more

and be even more clutch

[hollow ibex]

smoke dominates higher difficulties?

[tidal fox]

ok who da hell still running krak

[quiet lark]

in hk they only accept vets if u take smokes so i would say ues

[hollow ibex]

chinese meta is chinese meta

i don't give a fuck what the chinese think is meta

[tidal fox]

if youre running krak you have paranoia

I mean regardless

[worthy dragon]

Yes, i play on Hong Kong servers and they straight up kick or tell me to "go the hell" if i don't switch to smokes

[tidal fox]

bombers are a good place within the game right now

the only counter to them is killing them

their presence makes the game difficult and should not have any counter to their abilities through blitzes imo

[quiet lark]

ya that's crazy im sorry

[hollow ibex]

well you're trying to party up with people who get off on CBT

so nobody is going to be right in the head 🤷

[quiet lark]

eh i think it's dumb some of the spots bombers can throw while being completely unshootable tbh

[tawny badger]

a fuckin bomber threw a grenade into the airlock

[worthy dragon]

I'm from Asia man i don't have a choice. I'm not playing in western servers with 250+ ping lmao

[tidal fox]

I enjoy the difficulty tbh but it does get outrageous in expeditions

[tidal fox]

definitely try exe in your maelstroms first and figure out a build for that ability

if you havent tried exe much

im telling you tho exe is a drug

depending on your skill level you'll barely wanna use anything else

[nimble thunder]

Is there anyone on asia servers?

I wasnt getting any games

[worthy dragon]

Mostly on Hong Kong servers both lower and higher difficulties

Sometimes it do be empty yeah

[final charm]

The asia/oceania servers sound like a fever dream

[nimble thunder]

Im in japan and play west coast servers tbh, but yeah those hoes were empty

[hybrid plover]

I'm sorry but every time I hear something about HK servers

It just sounds so boring dude.

It really does just sound like they care far too much about winning.

[hollow ibex]

guess the idiot left

[hybrid plover]

Reminds me of the shieldgryn I ran into a few days ago that insisted I ran chorus

In my 40

[torpid grotto]

He wants bedtime story

[quiet lark]

ultimate comp of 2 bubbles 2 book

[hybrid plover]

And I just straight up told him actually do something other than sit with a shield and be useless

[torpid grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/live/q29IkD-Xikw?si=gJlbxiQThfoidqJn

[quiet lark]

what if they just rlly want to read

[hybrid plover]

I'm usually not that toxic but I'm not here hosting my lobby to cater to someone's desire to win

I just wanna have fun bro

[torpid grotto]

Taunt shield ogryns that hold block are the only thing that triggers me

Planting shield against 1 weakened plague ogryn

[hybrid plover]

Oh i wish I recorded this

[torpid grotto]

PLEASE ATTACK BRO

[hybrid plover]

My dude was doing FUCKING NOTHING

[quiet lark]

nah theyre the tank 🙃

[hybrid plover]

OH THERES GUNNERS? LEMME JUST STAY IN ONE PLACE AND BLOCK THEIR GUNFIRE FOR NO FUCKING REASON OTHER THAN TO DO IT

[dusty trout]

tank for the wall behind you bro

[hybrid plover]

YOU HAVE A RUMBLER

SHOOT IT

[torpid grotto]

Never

We’re holding aggro on 2 gunners

Tank class

[serene bough]

Poor guy thought he was helping

[gentle rapids]

Idk how people just stand there. If I'm blocking I'm at least walking towards them a) so I'm actually playing the game and b) because my waddle looks funny

[hybrid plover]

He was annoying too so I don't feel bad about getting a little spicy about it

[worthy dragon]

true and real

[slow sky]

IM TONKING PLEASE KILL IT IM SCARED

[fair shale]

Ogryn in the corner with the DH they also woke up:

[hybrid plover]

This instills rage in me.

I've had ogryns just go and deliberately do that without saying a word only for the game to snowball because they expected the team to deal with it

Except it's a bit different when I have a horde that makes up the population of Madagascar

[fair shale]

I always think it's funny in DT when people purposefully wake up a havoc DH cause "haha I'm gonna kill it" then the run snowballs out of control

[hybrid plover]

I'm not even mad about waking up the DH

I like fighting DHs

It's more when it's the person that can't actually do anything by themselves to it also decides to take it upon themselves to make it everyone else's problem

[unreal nova]

If it's Asia, the only thing that matters is winning.

[hybrid plover]

And the crazy thing is that if they simply ya know

Mention it

Maybe, we'll actually be ready for that fight.

If only this was a shared sentiment.

[unreal nova]

Losing is being a failure and you are taught death is better than failing.

[hybrid plover]

Man that really does just sound depressing.

[fair shale]

Nah I wish my randoms were instilled with this belief sometimes

[unreal nova]

Because death is better than shame.

Is why young me would spend 4 hours soloing a raid intended for 10.

Everyone left/gave up.

[hybrid plover]

Honestly another thing about the winning

This is exactly why I don't like demotion.

Like it's just annoying that you can have a 40. Can't demote anymore and all but naturally you are still gonna get people that aren't and will join a 40 expecting a win with the most optimal setups possible to do so

@slow sky like that streamer you ran into one time

[unreal nova]

Why the system is pointless, just let us pick whatever we want.