veteran-class

[tidal fox]

or soem shit

[surreal rune]

are there any new maps confirmed?

[tidal fox]

yeah terra

[grand perch]

eye of terror excursion

[stuck prairie]

big

vet question here

nvm i got it

[tall torrent]

@tame lodge finished reworking eviscerator section

[unreal nova]

Would be fun, short term spess hulk expeditions, rng survival and loot duration before having to return to "extract" to get yoinked out when the hulk pokes out of the warp.

The timer is unrealistic but is a game so, you know. And nobody wants a 50 day timer.

Just warn players a run is anywhere from 15 mins to extract to 1 hours to extract.

And is random every run.

So ppl can plan ahead for when they roll long hauls.

Or cap it lower. Shrugs.

[muted elk]

power sword activate should be a parry at the same time

have the parry not spend the charge, and the second attack after it is when it starts to decay

[quiet lark]

power sword does not need to be stronger than it already is lol

the fact that you need to make some space before activating keeps it somewhat 'balanced' or at least not cheesy

[steep flower]

Imagine parry on Psword; that shit would do soo much dmg
Also nice block

[shrewd topaz]

so called damage when perfect parries and killing everything

[brazen mist]

Whats the best primary weapon for veteran?

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI

[brazen mist]

Is there a full auto lasgun?

[quiet lark]

recon

[brazen mist]

Thanks

[feral bay]

Woah, where'd you get those pants?

[quiet lark]

i believe it's from the same outfit as the chest, currently in the cosmetic shop

[feral bay]

[feral bay]

It's.... close, but not the same thing.

Just gimme chainmail legs, Fatshark. Do it

[quiet lark]

darn you're right

[feral bay]

BUT to that point, these look great as well.

I would much rather have the groin plate and left leg chainmail, but this would be reasonable.

Now I'm waiting for another sale on aquila for them to be worth what you're actually paying for.

[rugged spruce]

saw vet named 'the -corpse-emperor'

so hot

[full osprey]

Melta gun?

[toxic blade]

?

[full osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rorschach-dr-manhattan-disintegrated-watchman-gif-18353978

[grand perch]

melta gun skitarii only confirmed

[sonic kayak]

I can block you too if you want

[tame lodge]

I disagree
Psword needs to be stronger than it already is

It's the only melee that matters

[tame lodge]

Another victim of power sword

[honest wolf]

No

Bad

[tame lodge]

Oh woops
I accidentally killed your toaster

I didn't even try

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[honest wolf]

Im gonna use the exact same reaction image

[tame lodge]

Seems like you're just feeding them to my power sword

😭

[honest wolf]

I mean kinda, I’m mostly just proud of my drawing

It needed to be made

[viscid sparrow]

I just got asked if I'm a console player (due to "clunky movement") by a vet who kept dying, while iirc I didn't die for the whole match...

[tame lodge]

Oh that's yours?

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-apology-game-gif-7376410236799910476

[honest wolf]

Yes I drew it

[unreal nova]

More camera things?

[viscid sparrow]

probably, yeah.

[unreal nova]

Yeah, that's pretty normal then.

[viscid sparrow]

could've also been something with my actual movement too, not just the way I moved my camera around, that made the vet think I was on console?

but idk

[unreal nova]

Usually camera and diagonal movements cos stick leaks it.

[viscid sparrow]

ahhh... I guess my movement is very console-like then, even tho I'm on PC and using mouse & keyboard...

[grand perch]

very good

you can tell its not AI

its from the heart

the motor oil pumping skitarii heart

[unreal nova]

Likely not twitchy enough with the camera.

I know cos I play on one.

[willow canyon]

Don’t know why ppl think console=bad player

[tidal fox]

Probably cause its harder to react and aim with the stick mechanism

[trim badger]

Cuz they can't aim for shit xddd

[tidal fox]

Id imagine many more pc plays can comfortably play the most difficult games compared to console players

[unreal nova]

Because a good number fall under it... though same for PC.

[willow canyon]

This is not the case for me

[trim badger]

Show me weakspot accuracy

[willow canyon]

Aiming is easy

[tidal fox]

Id say pc players are better on average

[willow canyon]

???

[tidal fox]

Cause mouse and keyboard is that cracked

[willow canyon]

I’m not at home

[trim badger]

Oh right console, fuck, no mods

[unreal nova]

Well, I play on PC with a controller kappa.

[tidal fox]

Clearly I am talking to a clinically insane person

[willow canyon]

I play controller and don’t really die

Unless to bs frame rate drops

[tidal fox]

Bro out here using a mf controller 🤣 on pc 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[trim badger]

It's just that a lot of people say this but end up with below 50% weakspot rate and I'm like "tf you mean it's easy"

[tidal fox]

Hitting bodies is easy

Headshots not so much

Especially when youre trying to multitask

[trim badger]

That's kinda my point yes

[willow canyon]

Depends on what’s going on

I find hitting headshots easy

[trim badger]

True but if your overall weakspot rate with melee is below 50%, you can't really make the claim aiming is easy

[tidal fox]

Can you hit a trapper clean on the head with revolver after quickswapping while in the middle of a rager assault?

🤔

[willow canyon]

how do u get below 50% weak spot accuracy on melee

Genuinely has to be impossible

[tidal fox]

Weak genetics

Thats how

[trim badger]

Trust me, it's the most common thing actually

[willow canyon]

Depends on the class

😭

[trim badger]

People average weakspot on melee is 45%

And this is in H40

[trim badger]

I don't think there's a single class or (melee) weapon that justifies having below 50%

[tidal fox]

Ranged?

Yes

[trim badger]

Melee

[tidal fox]

Probably

All i kno

Is that console players are worse than pc on avg

[trim badger]

Like it's crazy to see people using duelling sword

And they barely get 60% weakspot rate with it

Like how that weapon has aimbot

[unreal nova]

Because normal sticks suck at precision especially if worn or drifting.

[trim badger]

I was talking about mk players too

xddd

[unreal nova]

And no, I'm not counting my 300 ping making any hit a gamble.

[unreal nova]

I mean, then it's just them.

[trim badger]

Seems to be everyone apparently

It's so rare to see anyone with a >70% weakspot rate on DS for some reason

And not many get past 60% even

[unreal nova]

Precision is always usually better on mouse. Unless you are talking like top 0.001% of controller players.

[unreal nova]

Because most just flail around light attacking, I think.

[trim badger]

You can still spam lights and get lotsa headshots

[unreal nova]

Flail around bit.

[trim badger]

I do wonder if Gyro technology could change this

[unreal nova]

Nawp.

[trim badger]

Do you know how Gyro works? It feels extremely precise

[unreal nova]

You need a game to properly implement it.

[trim badger]

True

[unreal nova]

In DT is just clunky stick.

Also requires you to own a not Xinput controller.

And run it through steam input.

Don't ask, I tried. Had to play in either Switch or PS mode.

[trim badger]

Gyro could revolutionize controller aim

Hopefully one day

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gyro-zeppeli-steel-ball-run-nyoho-grills-go-go-zeppeli-gif-5224888819953784786

[trim badger]

I was expecting a jojo reference yes

[unreal nova]

Like, if a game actually supports it and you have a good controller, yep.

[trim badger]

Changing the subject

God Skitarii is probably gonna be braindead, it'll have an easier version of exec stance

I'm sure of it xddd

[unreal nova]

It aims for you.

[trim badger]

And also another companion, kinda stealing the whole reason that makes arbites stand out gameplay wise

[trim badger]

Yup

[unreal nova]

So, exe stance but ??? better?

[trim badger]

Most likely

And it's also likely they'll get a tank build

Since y'know Scum scandal about the class being "too weak" on release

I'll give it a day on release before buying it

[turbid ibex]

ehhhhhh not really

[trim badger]

I'll get the havoc assignment on 40, and then check what people think about skitarii

[turbid ibex]

from what we saw it had pretty much none of what makes exestance as good as it is

[trim badger]

I still wonder why exec stance reduces your fov on 2026

[turbid ibex]

no outlines, no stun immunity, no passive toughness regen

[trim badger]

Since I removed that it felt so much better

[unreal nova]

It's dog but ranged and auto plays minigames.

[turbid ibex]

like that whole ability is pretty much just the aimbot

[trim badger]

Oh shit if it autoplay minigames

It has a 100% solo potential

[turbid ibex]

unless there is some additional stuff then exestance just mogs

[silver patrol]

i already have mods for that

unless you can just send it to do tasks

[unreal nova]

Unless the marketing lies, it does state it on the class DLC page.

[trim badger]

I mean stealth zealot DS/Knife will still be the best solo class but

Skitarii will absolutely be 2nd if the thing plays minigames for you

[unreal nova]

"Accompanying them is the adaptable las-pistol wielding servo skull, which not only engages enemy targets but can also be instructed to execute data interrogation protocols."

That last bit.

[trim badger]

That could also mean analyzing stuff from like

Hab dreyko corpses and such

Wow

[unreal nova]

Technically still a minigame.

That takes you away from fighting.

[trim badger]

Now that's big

I still wish they reworked infiltrate

Like stealth on vet is not good design wise man 💔

[silver patrol]

yeah i don't see why they gave stealth to two classes

[trim badger]

It can do its job but it doesn't feel fun, nor very useful compared to the other 2

[silver patrol]

and one is obviously much better

[trim badger]

Vet needs bounty hunter ult

Perfect candidate for bounty hunter ult

[turbid ibex]

why

[silver patrol]

it is strange how there isn't an ability that is just a very strong shot, right?

[turbid ibex]

eh not really

[trim badger]

The way I see vet it's more about consistency, having a constant presence and input (ult, grenades, and constant ranged weapon usage compared to other classes)

The reason why I think stealth is fail design on veteran

[turbid ibex]

i feel like fatshark has been deliberately avoiding adding an ability like that

[trim badger]

It's because it sacrifices a lot of consistency just for the sake of maybe a clutch

[turbid ibex]

the closest thing i can think of we have rn is boom bringer

[trim badger]

They shouldn't

BH ult is amazing

Fun af, rewards good aiming

[silver patrol]

yeah the BH ult is just pure swag

[turbid ibex]

i dont think that is necessarily the case

its just that infiltrate rn is just underpowered

[silver patrol]

has it ever been better than underpowered

[trim badger]

I don't think there's a way to make vet stealth balanced and fun

It either will end up as OP as zealot stealth

Or still remain at poo

[turbid ibex]

slightly longer damage buff duration (like 10s), make the move speed buff linger after stealth is over for the same duration

[trim badger]

Maybe, I'd use it but I think it would still have no appeal

[turbid ibex]

and idk some stamina replenishment

[turbid ibex]

it would be a fun tool to approach enemies safely for the whole close range skirmisher playstyle the right side of the tree is going for

[trim badger]

I agree but people would just gravitate to shout

I know I know gold toughness still needs nerfing for sure

[turbid ibex]

like to me the thing that should differentiate infiltrate from shroudfield is by giving it more focus on the lingering buffs

[trim badger]

But I feel people will just go shout

[turbid ibex]

eh idk

like it already got a bunch of nerfs

[trim badger]

Which is why I really don't like vet stealth

[turbid ibex]

its just that people will always rely on their crutches

[trim badger]

Gold toughness should not block spillover attacks xdd

Anyone who disagrees is a goober

And bad at the game

[brave acorn]

Goober🙋‍♂️

[trim badger]

I'm so sorry, I sentence you to goober world

[turbid ibex]

honestly exestance does even more to improve survivability if youre good at the game

like this is purely on shout being a crutch for bad players

[trim badger]

Kinda, I see the potential in exec stance I think it's fine rn and absolutely viable

[brave acorn]

There’s nothing inherently wrong with shout or toughness.

[trim badger]

Gold toughness blocking spillover is an issue

[turbid ibex]

exestance is prob vet's best ability rn lmao

[trim badger]

Other than that yeah it's fine

[brave acorn]

Why?

[trim badger]

Wdym why it literally removes the only things that can actually kill a player

Overheads, snipers, bursters

[turbid ibex]

dont bursters ignore toughness entirely

[trim badger]

If you have gold toughness you take 0 hp dmg

Same with sniper

Same with overheads

[brave acorn]

For a short time, and only in coherency. I really don’t see the problem with giving your team extra survivability.

[trim badger]

Technically same with dogs but that's a minor thing

[trim badger]

10s of overhead immunity is a huge thing

For everyone in coherency

[turbid ibex]

it was a lot more busted back when it was 15s duration on a 30s base cooldown

[trim badger]

Obviously

[brave acorn]

Is your issue with shout specifically or gold toughness in general? Cuz then we gotta talk about zealot as well

[trim badger]

Gold toughness in general yes

I'm even willing to lower shout cooldown by 5s if that was removed

[turbid ibex]

but honestly exestance is still likely the better ability anyways lol

[trim badger]

Gold toughness gets even more degenerate with book

So the entire 5s of casting the 7 pulses that stagger, and an extra 10s of gold toughness

That's a loooot of safety

So nerfing gold toughness itself to not block spillover damage should be enough for these 2 abilities to be fine

[turbid ibex]

at the cost of heavily nerfing your damage output by not taking either of the other two abilities

[trim badger]

This is true

But there are weapons that still allow you to essentially either top dmg or 2nd top dmg in a h40 lobby while using book

And I'm not even talking about duelling sword

Flamer/Bolter and Knife/Tacaxe still essentially allow you to deal extremely high damage while having book

Idk I just want gold toughness to not be a get out of jail free card for situations you should die

Mainly overheads

[turbid ibex]

idk neither of those two abilities are actually dominating the meta rn

like i'd rather buff infiltrate to be closer to vet's other abilities than nerf shout again

[silver patrol]

what's that?

another shout nerf on the way

[viscid sparrow]

but what would you suggest for infiltrate buffs? I'm honestly so uncreative that I can't come up with anything but reducing the ult CD, increasing the post-stealth-exit damage buff duration, or both...

[turbid ibex]

.

[distant plaza]

Add elite kills to tactical awareness

But only for infiltrate

[sharp epoch]

chorus is, I think shout fell out of meta after the 3rd consecutive nerf. You see it on asia servers in Havoc, they just play sweaty team comps that guarantee wins too

[pseudo fiber]

The mk3a helbore feels really good now

[sharp epoch]

Also shout would be pretty useless if it was just a toughness refill, it would need something that makes it stand out. Hive scum has the same thing + a huge melee buff for like 15 seconds

[trim badger]

Ok but rampage and Hyper-Violence need nerfing lol

[trim badger]

I wouldn't call book the best, but surely the one that garantees more wins

But I'd say shout is the best out of all vet abilities

Exec stance is very good but saying it's better than shout is silly

[turbid ibex]

nah

exestance is legit insane

[pseudo fiber]

you're right they should buff exe again

[somber axle]

The better a Vet is, the more value they get out of Exe Stance. The worse a Vet and their team is the better value they get out of Shout

[worthy solar]

they should buff scrier's gaze again and put it on the veteran instead of exec stance

[sharp epoch]

I mean the better vet's have been using exe for a while in havoc

even on melee builds

[somber axle]

Exe Stance giving stun immunity so it lets Power Sword users charge without fear of their charge being lost before/during swings is king

[turbid ibex]

also outlines and 10% toughness per second

[trim badger]

I don't think that's because exec stance is better but because they're tired of using gold toughness

[sharp epoch]

I started using it before they gutted shout the last patch, veteran kinda has inconsistent toughness regen and shout taking so long now doesn't help

[trim badger]

And want to do something more fun

[turbid ibex]

nah it is better

[sharp epoch]

its just better 😭

[turbid ibex]

the combo of outlines+stun immunity+passive toughness regen is insanely powerful

[sharp epoch]

on Havoc you basically can keep it on indefinitely in fights too while shout takes forever to come back

but its basically rampage but worse, because that one actually buffs your melee and has the shout knockback

[turbid ibex]

rampage doesnt give toughness regen and outlines

[tall torrent]

rampage gives bonkers dmg

but

being able to compare/compete with rampage

as an ability that doesn't boost ur melee dps

says a lot

anyway I work on guide nao

[trim badger]

Fatshark reading this and removing the stun immunity unless ranged weapon is active:

[tall torrent]

if they do that I'm moving over to infiltrate marksman

lol

[sharp epoch]

Well the class itself actually has decent toughness regen unlike veteran so it doesnt need it, also outlines imo is not why I use exe I can generally hear most specials before they even turn a corner

[tall torrent]

finally finished the fuckass eviscerator in guide

had to look through so much code

[pseudo fiber]

Mystery weapon we don't understand

[tame lodge]

Oh right

I was supposed to give it a look

💀

Simply the best weapon in the game

(100% not biased)

[turbid ibex]

what weapon is next

[tame lodge]

Low cortisol gaming

[tall torrent]

heavy sword

then duelling sword

because I'm actually interested in their ADMs

[tame lodge]

The finesse nerf made it balanced because now you need EW to parry 1 shot crushers

They buffed Inferno staff 3 times in a single patch

[proven silo]

anyone got recommendation for ather warhammer games when u play as guards or with them? ather then the actual irl game that i cant afford

[turbid ibex]

not really

afaik darktide is pretty much the only game that puts this much emphasis on regular humans that isnt a crpg like rogue trader

[proven silo]

unlucky, i might be part of the 1% thats not that interested in the space marines

[heavy rover]

nah I'm the same, I don't really care much for space marines

[restive mountain]

Ayeee

It’s my favorite washed up vet main

[tame lodge]

Gladius Relics of War

You can play as astra Militarum

That's about it

[stuck gorge]

that’s free rn iirc

[grand perch]

still waiting on a FPS game where you play as an eldar. or maybe drukhari dishonored style

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's why I'm recommending gladius

Free game

[tall torrent]

urself?

[tame lodge]

Burn

[turbid ibex]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-fire-fnaf-3-ending-hospital-disaster-gif-1976739374427047349

[restive mountain]

Fall over and don’t get up

[quiet lark]

https://tenor.com/view/vodka-vodka-burning-vodka-horse-umamusume-umamusume-burning-gif-9867658880633295792

[serene bough]

How bad is the grind in expeditions for the achievements

I know the strat is to play on low difficulty

[restive mountain]

@tall torrent

Only someone with nothing better to do with their free time probably grind everything out

[low orchid]

When my lasgun shits infinite bullets per second, next to my name the ammo icon red and I spam I need ammo on chat wheel

[forest lagoon]

Horrific

[low orchid]

Not worth it at all

[tall torrent]

250k TR is boring
100k scrap trade is that but ~4x as long

[grand perch]

its so much i finally decided a penance wasnt worth doing

thats coming from someone who did the stupid barrel penance pre-nerf

[pseudo fiber]

Imagine if expeditions was a fun mode than maybe TR wouldn't be as awful to grind but noooo

The highlight of that mode was being able to use inf lasgun that's how dire it is

[viscid sparrow]

how does using inf lasgun become a unique highlight of expeditions specifically?

[pseudo fiber]

Because the infantry lasgun has reverse damage fall off!

So it does more damage the further away from enemies you are

[viscid sparrow]

ohhhh, and big open-ish map

[tall torrent]

it's the best extra mode they made for DT so far

[restive mountain]

So good that it’s dead

[tall torrent]

yea well the other two are mortis and havoc

[pseudo fiber]

I think like objectively speaking here Havoc is the best

[tall torrent]

u can't stoop much lower than that

[tall torrent]

havoc is effectively base game extension tbh

it just has a lot of dogshit designs

[pseudo fiber]

true but it;s also the only gamemode that people go out of their way to play

I think expeditions got bones

[tall torrent]

because it's bragging rights / diamantine

[pseudo fiber]

I just hope every update this year isn't an expedition one

[tall torrent]

the former people like, the latter people need

expeditions' foundation is much stronger it just has no tie-in to meta progression

[pseudo fiber]

I mean shove mortis buffs in there make it 5 by default and remove early extract

I have saved the mode

[clever flicker]

What is a good melee weapon to pair with the Zarona combat shotgun that deals really good damage to carapace targets (crushers, maulers), but can still be used effectively on hordes?

[hollow ibex]

as always

psword

psword does everything

[viscid sparrow]

btw, I have started to like CIAG over VIAG on my Ex Stance vet, just because the recoil on VIAG is too much even with the ult active, and Agri IAG has too little ammo and firerate for me to like it...

[clever flicker]

How should I build it?

[serene bough]

this is awful

[viscid sparrow]

except non-garbage dodges...

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781
jump to power sword section with navigation panel

[tame lodge]

And if for some reason you don't want Psword

Rashad Combat Axe

Havoc keeps getting easier and easier

[forest lagoon]

Chainaxe

I like psword but nothing can compare to sawing through a crushers head for me

[tame lodge]

I mean

It's a fine ish weapon

But doesn't quite fullfil the request

You can push both marks to 13.something cleave with max Headtaker Slaughterer

And Mk4 heavies start killing 2 poxxers per swing

But it's capped

And mk12 lights just don't have the cleave damage distribution to matter

[forest lagoon]

Don't forget that the highest difficulty I ever played was damnation lol

[tame lodge]

Mk12 is fine ish

Mk4 is dogshit because all capped weapons are dogshit

Too bad

I like mk4

[viscid sparrow]

what is the cleave cap amount tho?

[tame lodge]

Capped at 4

[viscid sparrow]

what does that translate to in enemy hit mass BPs? (how many enemies of what types I can cleave through with a cleave cap of 4)

[tame lodge]

You have 8 cleave on the heavies
You cannot damage past 4 enemies hit regardless of their mass due to the cap

[latent star]

Zealot's forced crit with the chainaxe lets you do some really high damage to enemies but "Zealot weapon with mediocre horde clear that can do really high damage to single targets with the right talent setup" is a very competitive field it seems.

[tame lodge]

For example
A groaner has 1.25 mass
You could hit 7 groaners (8.75 mass total)
But only damage 4

[latent star]

I really like the chain weapons aesthetically but I think they're mostly dogshit atm.

[tame lodge]

With stacked Headtaker Slaughterer you get 13.2 or something

[viscid sparrow]

I see... I'm starting to doubt my obsession with running mk4 chaxe on my melee scum...

[tame lodge]

That's 11 groaners

Can't damage past 4

Mk4 heavies with both headtaker Slaughterer stacked starts killing 2 pox/groaner per swing
And hurt a third one really hard

[latent star]

for Hive Scum in particular I can't see many reasons to run chainaxe over crowbar, but maybe I'm missing something with the eapon.

[tame lodge]

Which is pretty surprising for a Chainaxe

[latent star]

and crowbar isn't exactly the hottest thing

[viscid sparrow]

Because the axe that goes VROOOOMM! as its lodged into a Rotter’s skull is funny and cool to me.

[latent star]

100% agree, its just kind of dogshit to actually use.

I wish it wasn't, because like I said I love the vroom vroom chew chew.

I think its one of the few weapons weak enough to merit "do not use" categorization, although with the regular caveat that This Is Videogame Do What You Want For Fun.

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe XII is a really competent melee

[latent star]

how are you building / using it?

[tall torrent]

Unyielding flak
Headtaker slaughterer

It has a really good push atk

[turbid ibex]

with bricks

[latent star]

Ogryn channel strategy undefeated.

[latent star]

maybe I need to run it with more stamina and push attack more, will try it again at some point

[tall torrent]

I don’t use stamina curio on any class

Chainaxe also has one of the best block profiles in the game

[latent star]

I like running x3 toughness on vet if I can get away with it since you can stack so much toughness bullshit, but a health, wound, or stam curio has some nice benefits.

[tall torrent]

Health curio helps a lot

[latent star]

Yeah, poxbursters are always a huge threat and the shout nerfs / exe buffs make them even more of a vet-specific problem imo

Hope the game eventually manages to do something about the Stealthbuster issue but for now I think you just gotta play around it and accept that sometimes the director decides you are gonna die even if most of the games are otherwise within your control.

[tall torrent]

XII’s light atks have very high flak adm

Like

Wildly high

176% smth

[hybrid plover]

Stealth bursters have been horrible since crusher spawn change

AI director does not know how to budget the loss of crusher spawns with everything else rn lol

[latent star]

so its more a flak churner? I can see that role being useful.

[hybrid plover]

So it's just throwing everything more.

[latent star]

Oh heavy sword 9 question since heavy sword folks are present: is the special attack only useful to reset your attack pattern for repeated overhead hits?

[tall torrent]

it's just a really good ADM attack

[hybrid plover]

Brittleness. Leads into a light attack with good stagger and hitmass override

Also very good chainability with heavies

[tall torrent]

I'm actually almost done with heavy sword section overhaul in guide

[latent star]

That's mostly how I've been using it, if I want to repeat overheads I'll hit, dodge + special (if that hits that's fine, not intentionally wasting a swing), return with overhead, repeat, etc.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's pretty much what you want to do against bulkier targets

[tame lodge]

"The thunder hammer of flak and carapace"

[latent star]

flarapace vs. clak?

[crimson garden]

What's the best mark for the shovel?

[hybrid plover]

1/3

[viscid sparrow]

is uncanny + deci still good on mk1 shovel, or is scrusher + deci better now?

[torpid grotto]

I like throwing it out as a rhythm thing because you can either chain into strikedown or all the horizontal stuff. Depending on what happens in the next split second

[latent star]

IMO uncanny is pretty weak on shovel now since it no longer has the same bleed synergy. I think crusher + decimator would be better, although you could also consider an impact blessing to trade damage for safety and utility.

[hybrid plover]

Either or

Personally think crusher/decimator is better

[tall torrent]

finished updating heavy sword

[hybrid plover]

Time to take a look.

[tall torrent]

Onto duelling sword now

Or maybe I should do ranged weapons since they’d be faster

[restive mountain]

Mans doesn’t know ball about braced guns

[tall torrent]

I wish they were better

[turbid ibex]

same

[tall herald]

i have a low level veteran if anyone wants to help me level

[distant plaza]

I’ll be available to help you level in a few minutes

[hot maple]

hows vet feeling after the bleed nade uncanny was removed

[tame lodge]

It depends

Were you a bleed build player?

[hot maple]

yea I played uncanny bleed nade mostly

[tame lodge]

That build is pretty much gone
Other than that vet still 3rd best class

[hot maple]

krak by defauolt now then?

[tame lodge]

Not enough targets for kraks atm

[crimson garden]

What's the attack combo for Mk VII Tac Axe?

[turbid ibex]

frags still best option overall

[heavy rover]

Smokes are also pretty useful

[hot maple]

ill try them out never used them before

[quiet lark]

depends on difficulty, not really worth using ime outside of havoc

[distant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-lords-gif-25590787

[hot maple]

mostly havok 35-40 so ill try them out. seems like it would be nice to defend a shriek psyker from ranged

[torpid grotto]

Bleed nades still did a bunch of damage last time I played with em

[tall torrent]

finished updating duelling sword in guide

[turbid ibex]

Hey path can i ask something

Why do so many of your builds recommend the mk3 bolter

Specially for zealot

Whats so special about it

[elfin glacier]

is slaughter worth using on power sword?

the guide seems to imply is a balanced option between horde clearing and elite killing

oh it seems its even reocmmened by one of the default templates

I got a 60% mobility power sword, might as well try these blessing/traits out

[tall torrent]

it's nice

[tall torrent]

it's a generally useful mixed horde wiper

[elfin glacier]

does 10% melee speed really make a difference over say putting bleed stacks on the enemy?

[tall torrent]

yea it's pretty significant

[elfin glacier]

its nice to see that it does make a difference. Usually games make 10% buffs meaningless

[tall torrent]

atk speed almost always is relevant in this game

[elfin glacier]

why is that? Is it just about being faster then the enemy?

[tall torrent]

a lot of it is that yea

[tall torrent]

basically
BM is best dmg distribution, worst cleave (but clears horde super fast)
sunder is best cleave, handles mauler waves rly well
slaughterer is somewhere in the middle, and improves stagger vs ragers

I prefer slaughterer/BM

[heavy rover]

The 10% speed also affects the charge up

Personally I run Sunder, then combine it with the serrated edge, trench fighter drills, and the 15% melee damage nodes

[turbid ibex]

I see

[tall torrent]

it's also only on 2 zealot builds I put

[turbid ibex]

Thats still like

At least 1 more than i wouldve expected

[tall torrent]

finished eviscerator, heavy sword and duelling sword

gonna do DC sword next

and then shock maul & TH

then melee overhaul is done

[last marten]

my reading darktide weapon combos while in the bathroom at work

[surreal rune]

should i dump cleave targets on heavy sword if i take perfect strike

for zealot ofc

[blazing jetty]

Dump defenses

[fluid shadow]

Ok i have a shock trooper vet with recon lasgun- do i take dumdum and headhunter, dumdum and infernus, or headhunter and infernus

[tall torrent]

dum dum + infernus/deathspitter

[abstract sand]

dumdum infernus :)

[turbid ibex]

No

[tall torrent]

Ideally, no

Because defences don’t get u much either

And max cleave targets + headtaker does hit better cleave breakpoints

Perfect strike is just a nice bonus

[gusty girder]

Fellas

Been using the Kantrael pattern lasguns recenrly

Back using them after using the Recon for a while

And

Dare i say theyre really good?

Now that my aim is better

Weakspot hits go brrrr

Would like some pointers though

Are they at all viable in Auric and up?

Or does the sheer fire rate of the recon outclass it

[tall torrent]

usable

[tall torrent]

their issue is mainly flak ADM

[gusty girder]

I mostly wanna use it coz i can pose with it in the end screen

Plus it was my first ever lasgun

Holds a special place in my heart

Shooting it will literally never get boring

[tall torrent]

endscreen pose doesn't matter what gun u equip

[gusty girder]

I know, which is why i use the Kantrael

Its right therr

This is my Lasgun

There are many like it

But this one is mine

[grand perch]

isnt really an issue if you do build for that MMF

[tall torrent]

yea which costs rly hard on the rest of the build

[gusty girder]

Yea gjmme BUILDS people

[tall torrent]

just unfortunate point cost problems

[gusty girder]

Fuck that i need to aura farm

[quiet lark]

everything is viable 👍

[gusty girder]

Emperor Bless

[brazen mist]

Is there a way to reload plasma gun faster?

Im a recon lasgun enjoyer

[tall torrent]

Sprint cancel

[brazen mist]

No legit way?

[gusty girder]

Or just switch weapons

The reload itself is OVER when the number ticks back up

The animation is just set dressing

[silver patrol]

turns out a gun has to have a weak point

[tall torrent]

Wdym no legit way

This is the legit way?

[brazen mist]

Well I need to try it out

[gusty girder]

Yea dude wdym legit way

[silver patrol]

it doesn't save you much time

it's still a very long reload

[brazen mist]

Reload speed boosts

[tall torrent]

Don’t need them

Just learn reload sprint cancel

[gusty girder]

Weapons specialist

[quiet lark]

reload cancel saves so much time

[tall torrent]

Recon lasgun has it too

[quiet lark]

for the plasma

no need to waste an extra point when vet always has more nodes u wanna take

[brazen mist]

Also whats recon lasgun weakpoint

[tall torrent]

it doesn't kill priority targets that fast

damage falloff over range

short range

no stagger

[gusty girder]

Idk man i feel like with the right build recon lasgun will tear into anything

[tall torrent]

full build around it has a lot of opportunity costs

[brazen mist]

It kinda obliterates elite enemies

The one with high rpm that is

[gusty girder]

Its literally just "GZZZZZZZZ" and the specialist enemy is dead

[brazen mist]

But it sucks against armor

[tall torrent]

compared to 1 hit kills it's not nearly as fast lol

and idk what elites ur talking about

ragers?

maulers?

[brazen mist]

But fast reload and huge mag

[tall torrent]

yea ik

it's just a really boring but decent gun

[brazen mist]

Anything thats below mini boss

[gusty girder]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-crack-peter-griffin-brian-griffin-peter-gif-7517796295371082995

Krak

[brazen mist]

What about bolter?

Yeah I use krak with recon

[tall torrent]

what's mini boss

[gusty girder]

Monstrosities

Plague orgyns, beasts, chaos spawn

(I think)

[tall torrent]

those are just standard bosses

[brazen mist]

Anything that survives more than 10 seconds

High bar

[gusty girder]

If it runs, its a heretic, if it stands still, its a well disciplined heretic

[tall torrent]

recon also has direct dps upgrades

[gusty girder]

Also not very ammo conservative

[silver patrol]

isn't the vraks much higher dps

[quiet lark]

recon u also feel p strapped for points cos u need shock trooper

[brazen mist]

Idk all terms cause I got the game 2 days ago

Vet is my first class

[quiet lark]

i do believe so

[tall torrent]

u could just, melee

[brazen mist]

I wanted a first person shooter

[gusty girder]

As a veteran? Fuck that

[brazen mist]

I also have good aim from other games

[silver patrol]

damnation core

[tall torrent]

as a veteran, hell yea

[hollow ibex]

vet is not the ranged class

[gusty girder]

The emperor bestowed upon me this chainsword to push away bolters (kidding i fuckin love the melee to)

[brazen mist]

Power sword

[gusty girder]

Yea i know im fuckin w yall

[quiet lark]

dt is not rlly a fps game, it's p melee heavy

[gusty girder]

Chain sword feels more violent

[tall torrent]

I have good news and bad news

[brazen mist]

Veteran has guns

[silver patrol]

this isn't a first person shooter, alas

[brazen mist]

And melee is very satisfying

[brazen mist]

First person + guns

[gusty girder]

Its a first person "fuck that guy" type game

[brazen mist]

But power sword gives emperor champion

[frank basin]

We shoot and bang the horde

And slash smash the horde

[gusty girder]

Chain sword is VIOLENT

I crave VIOLENCE

I NEED TO KILL

[frank basin]

Khrony of you

[tall torrent]

this is inaccurate

[silver patrol]

so called need to kill when the chainsword tickles the crusher

[tall torrent]

power swords are used all across the imperium

[gusty girder]

So you hit it AGAIN

And AGAIN

[tall torrent]

they're just rarer than normal stuff

[silver patrol]

woe

[gusty girder]

Weve all played doom

shoot it till it fucking DIES

[silver patrol]

crusher horde upon ye

[tall torrent]

the black templar lore bit u read is for a very specific power sword

[gusty girder]

See now this is why i stick w the team

Use them as bait

[quiet lark]

not anymore :(

[gusty girder]

Always bring an ogryn of your own

[quiet lark]

rest in peace crushers u were too good for this world

[frank basin]

No more crusher horde

[gusty girder]

Thank the emperor lmao

[tall torrent]

12 bulwarks upon ye

[gusty girder]

Bulwarks are arguably harder

[frank basin]

Bulwarks horde only wouldn't be problem unless there's crusher included

[gusty girder]

That shield has an annoying tendenxy of getting in the way

[quiet lark]

god i've been so so so so so angry with the amount of bulwarks

[tall torrent]

nade + melee

[gusty girder]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

Shredder Frags my beloved

[tall torrent]

bulwark + mauler + rager mix is harder than crusher wave (unless u have AOE stuff)

[quiet lark]

mostly in solos and duos when there are just frequent walls of 5-6 bulwarks

[frank basin]

Because they can clip through

Unlike us we can't, so we in tf2 body blocking

[brazen mist]

Is melee vet good?

[frank basin]

Sort of

[quiet lark]

yes 👍

[frank basin]

I did run shotgun and blade

I means the power falchion

Running toward enemy like discount zealot again

[quiet lark]

falchion isn't the best weapon, especially for melee focused vet

[brazen mist]

What is

[gusty girder]

Melee vet is so peak

[frank basin]

I didn't said best

[brazen mist]

Also is there a way to make power sword energized attack last more than one hit?

[quiet lark]

power sword 100%

[quiet lark]

yes, you need the blessing power cycler

[brazen mist]

I can swing it 5 times but its turns off after the first hit lands

[frank basin]

Only meta perk called power cycler

[brazen mist]

Blessing?

[frank basin]

Which is lot of ps sucker want this on all time try harding

[frank basin]

Yes

[quiet lark]

what level is your character onyx

[brazen mist]

I got a mk6 power sword that good?

[tall torrent]

ye

[brazen mist]

19

[frank basin]

Mk6 is overused as meta-ist said is best

[brazen mist]

I discovered darktide after seeinf skitarii reveal

[quiet lark]

if you go to masteries on ur character menu, you can unlock masteries

[brazen mist]

Best 7 bucks of my life

[frank basin]

You brought from discount?

[brazen mist]

Can you max it all?

[tall torrent]

yea

[brazen mist]

Yeah

[quiet lark]

yes, it just takes time

[tall torrent]

max mastery will give u enough blessing points to upgrade all to IV

[brazen mist]

Good Im having a blast with power sword

[quiet lark]

and u put the blessing on the weapon by talking to hadron

[tall torrent]

melee hybrid is the meta for vet
backline sniper is viable but more team dependent

[frank basin]

I still see Havoc 40 consider "bring your meta loadout or kick"

Lobby

[brazen mist]

I use the toughness shout

And some other stuff

[frank basin]

Voive of command

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/9V2SfjKFNCs

[brazen mist]

Im basically dragon born

[tall torrent]

some basic power sword gameplay

[quiet lark]

i've heard hk servers r fully this

[frank basin]

Chinese

[brazen mist]

Why pistol instead of rifle

[silver patrol]

pistol is much better

[tall torrent]

what pistol

[silver patrol]

Las i imagine

[quiet lark]

im guessing they mean revolver from ur vid path

[frank basin]

Every coop game like bring meta or kick, they be like throw an insult at you when you die during horde or to special enemy before wipes; fault for playing with console player being an ass

[quiet lark]

it works better with weapon spec, the bottom right keystone

[tall torrent]

revolver is just a really good gun on vet

[frank basin]

You snipe and you slash

[silver patrol]

actually

[quiet lark]

that too 🙂‍↕️

[silver patrol]

you slash and you snipe

[frank basin]

Thats Playstyle

[brazen mist]

Does it give more stamina or smth

[frank basin]

It regen stamina

[tall torrent]

no, revolver just does massive damage

[frank basin]

Vet has good stam regen delay, before that they were worse

[silver patrol]

don't they have like the worst stamina delay

or second worst

[brazen mist]

Its pretty much instant

[silver patrol]

it really isn't

[frank basin]

Revolver doesn't give your char stats

Just dmg

[brazen mist]

Its like half a second maybe

[frank basin]

Is 0.75s

Beforr was 1.25s

[tall torrent]

0.75s is same as zealot, but worse regen rate

[brazen mist]

Unless Im tanking a boss with the sword I never have stamina problems

[frank basin]

That leave you usinng curio stam regen

[tall torrent]

u don't need curio stam regen

[frank basin]

So do you think vet still in worse stam regen rate?

Betting you gonna pull nerd stats again

[tall torrent]

?

can u like, not make up things

[brazen mist]

Chill

emperor protects

[frank basin]

Traits i always make assumptions to people

One of kind flaws, i may fail to read people action, personality

[tall torrent]

nah he just does that

I was nicer to him once, and then he misconstrued what I said and just continue to be like this lol

[brazen mist]

I’ll do a hybrid build cause I enjoy both malee and ranged

I kinda wanna keep recon lasgun tho

[tall torrent]

it works

[frank basin]

I dont like taking guide you did trying offer me a guides i refused taking your guide

Then it start down bitter like sewage pipe

[tall torrent]

sounds like ur own problem, I was being nice to u the entire time

[frank basin]

I barely see it

Where the nice

I see im being pointed wrongfully

[tall torrent]

u asked to join our game, got downed to literal basic horde enemies inside gas, miles away from the team, left, and then refused any & all help I tried to give (guide, suggesting lower difficulty)

idk I felt like I've done enough already

[frank basin]

Fuck that, that just me fail impression also you are tryhardist

[tall torrent]

ur problems are not mine

[frank basin]

Yeah me problem but you say im a failure need take your meta slave guidr

I can handle myself

[tall torrent]

???

can u not make things up

[quiet lark]

woah

[frank basin]

I hate people be like, take guide meta or don't play this activity

Endgame activity made like hardest gatekeep casual

[brazen mist]

Its okay to be casual its alr

[tall torrent]

this actually so funny cuz it's clear u never even bothered

I never made a guide on "use this that meta"

[frank basin]

Im stuck up with destiny player or gw2 player meta like mandatory

[quiet lark]

it sounds like path was trying to be helpful with the guide, i don't think they were insinuating u had to do that or u shouldn't be allowed to play the game

[brazen mist]

I guess this game can get real difficult in endgame and it might be necessary to be a meta slave idk

Im level 19 lmao

[tall torrent]

nah it's not that hard

it's complex yes but a lot of it comes down to knowledge/skill

[frank basin]

I been here before he made guide, i learn thing myself, i solve problem myself theb people just shit on me for using bad weapon, making me think they followed path guides like god bible for veterans

[brazen mist]

Is there something in game that explain status effects and stuff?

Like brittle

[tall torrent]

no because this is a fatshark game

[quiet lark]

path's guide or kuli's guides

[frank basin]

Armor debuff team wide

[brazen mist]

Some swords have cleave and brittle

Dont know what that means

Lmao

[tall torrent]

brittleness

[frank basin]

Cleave bypass enemy bodymass

[brazen mist]

Makes them vulnerable ig

[tall torrent]

kind of

[frank basin]

Once of them has 1.2 body mass or higher stopping your melee cleaving

[brazen mist]

Whats bodymass tf?

Ahh for stuns?

[frank basin]

Think like you try cut a meat

[tall torrent]

essentially, ur attacks have "armor damage modifier" vs different armor types

[brazen mist]

It stops the swing

[frank basin]

If is too thick your blade stop there and stick

[brazen mist]

Got it

[tall torrent]

it might be good vs one armor type but not good vs another

[brazen mist]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

rending & brittleness help for the attacks that suck vs an armor type

but they do very little for the attacks with high armor damage modifiers

[frank basin]

Rending for client sided more dmg against armor like nullify their dmg reduction

[tall torrent]

for example power sword's activated attacks generally have high ADMs

[tall torrent]

cleave is a system that decides how many enemies u can hit

my guide includes cleave value for a lot of weapons' attacks

it also depends on the enemies u hit

[brazen mist]

Yeah and power sword has wide swings thats why it has cleave ig

[tall torrent]

some enemies have more mass, some have less

[brazen mist]

This game has a lot of stuff damn

[frank basin]

Im sure you tell people use this weapon is good just plain message they think is meta, then rest weapon you rating tierlist is bad teaching them other shouldn't use this weapon.

[brazen mist]

Its not even explained

[tall torrent]

like I said, complex

[quiet lark]

and a lot of things just aren't explained in the game at all lol

[tall torrent]

I never made a guide like that

[frank basin]

Fine

[tall torrent]

you're speaking from pure prejudice and ignorance

and it's blatantly obvious

[frank basin]

I have hatred to meta list player

[tall torrent]

too bad I never made a guide like that

[frank basin]

They willing gatekeeping someone out when their weapon isn't matching them

[grand perch]

current event plus the right setup makes for some crazy dakka

[frank basin]

Any build deviate from them they call you bad player

Exclude out the game

[tall torrent]

in fact if u even take 2 minutes of ur time to scroll through the guide u can see that it is not a tierlist/meta of any kind

[quiet lark]

with all due respect, i think you have a lot of misconceptions regarding what path's guide actually is and, similarly, what them providing it as a resource for u to check out means. it has information for a ton of different weapons and ways to build them, not just the ones considered meta

[frank basin]

@tall torrent i did read your guide, but i don't take fully accept your guru knowledge.

[tall torrent]

I don't believe u

if u did u would not be saying the things above

[quiet lark]

omg this tiktok aspect ratio

vraks go brr tho

[frank basin]

Because i start this game during alpha so i don't need guide how to play game properly, you did being bitter fuck when you see me died to horde as psyker with smite you would tell me read my guide ands stop using x y z because is bad

Let me use whatever i can to experiment the gameplay

Tbf im defiant many thing in life

If come in late first start fresh new game i would read guide without knowing you first

Normal that's what i do playing late version games

Early game, explore the mechanics sooner they change to different

[tall torrent]

starting from alpha doesn't mean ur that skilled
me telling u to consider improving, or lowering difficulty, or check up on actual well documented resources to help, is not me being bitter to u in any way (and if I was, I wouldn't be talking to u in this way, I would just block u)

[frank basin]

Much like warframe, i use guide read and understand mechanic, then looking buikd

[frank basin]

Okay ill tell you this, i never go play havoc mode, i stay on damn only keeping my pressure lower, because im not sweaty tryhard as other (like my friend hate tryhard player being not cohesion teamplay).

[tall torrent]

I never told u to play havoc

[frank basin]

They are fine to play whatever they want, but i don't tolerate them being shit ass in chat saying me bad build and leave the game or vote kick

[frank basin]

Yeah because i think your guide gonna help anyone play better and improving so they might to havoc like god who know of your guide gonna make more nerd of nerd than tanner

[tall torrent]

again, ur making things up

tanner actually prob knows less than 5% of what my guide entails lol

[frank basin]

Then what's your guide theme anyway? Making player play better best of best in darktide with correct loadout?

[tall torrent]

yk u could just read through it right

it's publicly available

[frank basin]

I did long ago

[quiet lark]

it sounds like you haven't actually looked at the guide so i'm not sure why you're levelling so many accusations around it

[frank basin]

I didnt tell you i read it

[frank basin]

I read year ago quitely

[silver patrol]

what does it have wrong

[quiet lark]

the sample builds r a really small part of the guide rlly and r pretty diverse, definitely not just the most meta options

[tall torrent]

this is literally the very first section, where I tell u not to blindly follow it

[frank basin]

The pdf one

[silver patrol]

oh the old one

[frank basin]

I read on pdf file

[tall torrent]

I discontinued that so long ago

just read the steam one

it's so much better

[frank basin]

Yesh they were year ago i read them

[silver patrol]

i don't think the old pdf was wrong tho

[tall torrent]

even the doc one wasn't entirely meta

[frank basin]

I didn't announce to you i read tbem

[frank basin]

I think your guide ain't aim for meta but people interpretation thinking your guide is

I would see them run lot power sword in past

[tall torrent]

they're interpreting it wrong

just like how u are interpreting it wrong

I made it to be a source of reliable info

[frank basin]

Some them will see as god holy bible

[tall torrent]

not much more than that

[silver patrol]

that's their issue

[quiet lark]

yeah, even if that were the case, if it isn't the aim of the guide or of path in sharing the guide, i don't think it's fair to make the kind of statements u were saying

[frank basin]

By generally i made the blame to guide because it breeding a meta-ist person

Metaist person generally toxic when come to wipes

Blame 3 other teams

And quit

[frank basin]

I may have bad experience with people made guide and use meta for endgame content, then when i defy the meta they told me "then don't play (the hard content)"

[tall torrent]

sounds like ur problem with interpretation

[brazen mist]

I take it he criticized lasagna playstyle once and he took it personal

[tall torrent]

anyway @brazen mist https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781
https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210
here're some useful resources for learning the game

[brazen mist]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

kuli guides are super technical

[frank basin]

Some of people criticizing me how i played.

[tall torrent]

mine is a bit more down to earth but don't go as deep

[frank basin]

Im fine with word but action is bullshit

[tall torrent]

mine is also under construction (reworking a lot of sections to be more condensed)

but I'm almost done with melee weapon section overhauls

[frank basin]

Every co-op game like this is never teamwork, most of it solo-ism

[tall torrent]

finished class sections' overhauls recently

[junior grail]

This game is solo-ing together

[frank basin]

I can't solo it because my friend told me "fuck those try hard, and stick with me"

Soloing is for tryhard

It be back vermintide green circle bullshit

If they mentioning after game

Teamplay is what i can do in darktide with this movement

[brazen mist]

Game whole mechanic is cohesion no?

[frank basin]

Latest game in far far west, much more freedom movement i can play solo somewhat

[frank basin]

The cohesion is fucky making between soloist and teamplay

Due to build player exploiting they can rush ahead

[brazen mist]

When I go far alone I get trapped and beaten to death

[frank basin]

But not for someone play everyday they speedrunning it.

[tall torrent]

coherency is important but not that important

[brazen mist]

But Im a beginner

[frank basin]

Is fine since you play low diff

[brazen mist]

I will probably dodge traps automatically eventually

[frank basin]

High diff need someone put in role to play

[brazen mist]

I like left 4 dead mechanics

[frank basin]

But when rng matchmaking is up you pray someone be soloist

[tall torrent]

the main thing with coherency in high diff is that having players out of coherency can trigger extra specialist spawns to target that player

[frank basin]

I played ogryn clutch carrying 3 psyker 2 time before dies on 2nd clutch

[tall torrent]

and being down players can snowball badly pretty fast

sometimes tho u might need to break coherency to get out of bad situations

things happen

[frank basin]

Base on timing duration out of cohesion?

[brazen mist]

All I know is that I like to charge into swarms with my power sword

[tall torrent]

game checks for loners and trigger specialist spawns targeting the loner

[brazen mist]

When things go bed I press F and recharge my shields

[tall torrent]

but loner check is not that bad

[frank basin]

I accept your game mechanic knowledge

[tall torrent]

compared to surge

[brazen mist]

Oh thats why I get them trappers and chargers

[tall torrent]

ye

[frank basin]

Dog

[shrewd topaz]

[frank basin]

I could left behind for scouring mats

It spawn flamer sometime

[tall torrent]

VoC is a great starting place for vet but stance and infil could be more useful situationally

[frank basin]

These day i haven't touch play a match in darktide last 4 month ago

[tall torrent]

my recommendation for beginner is to learn to fight everything in the game with as little ranged as possible

[frank basin]

I been on l4d2 modding gun

[brazen mist]

I use lasgun to take out ranged enemies

And specialists

[frank basin]

This game darktide mostly engage melee

[tall torrent]

u don't always have to

[frank basin]

Ranged is little

[brazen mist]

Cant parry lasers

[tall torrent]

for example u can avoid ranged atks by sliding

u legally can't be shot while sliding

[frank basin]

Run and slide is tedious to shift and slide spam

[brazen mist]

I have hold to sprint and its kinda cancer to slide

But I dont like toggle sprint

[frank basin]

I hope you don't have carpel tunnel

[tall torrent]

get better keybinds then

it's a big part of movement

also

change jump and dodge keybind to not be on the same key

it'll help u a lot

[unreal nova]

Actually, hold to sprint is better to slide spam.

[frank basin]

Sliding all time, slide dodge sound like mandatory movement

[tall torrent]

I do toggle cuz hold feels bad

[shrewd topaz]

Change jump to left alt or something

[unreal nova]

Otherwise, you need to keep tapping spint then slide then sprint then slide.

[frank basin]

Yeah i doing this normally

[normal sparrow]

Carpal tunnel

[frank basin]

Tap slide

[brazen mist]

Pressing shift and ctrl together feels weird

[shrewd topaz]

Wut

Isnt default slide on c

[unreal nova]

Back button so just grip the controller.

[shrewd topaz]

Idr

[normal sparrow]

Freako

[brazen mist]

I will try using controller when I get steam controller, wanna check if touchpad can give me same or similiar accuracy to mouse

[unreal nova]

Doesn't work.

Ppl say the touchpad is mouse input so you can't move using it.

[brazen mist]

You can do pretty much everything from my understanding

Its fully customizable

[frank basin]

Controller could give you swap game system to aim assist???

[tall torrent]

gyro might tbh

[brazen mist]

I can use touchpad for aim only

[brazen mist]

Or stick + gyro yes

[shrewd topaz]

It already does

[unreal nova]

Not if the game doesn't support both inputs at once.

[shrewd topaz]

Flick stick + gyro go brr

[brazen mist]

Too bad i will have to wait months to get one

[frank basin]

Steam controller

[brazen mist]

Steam didnt get through the first minute of reservations yet lmao

[unreal nova]

Darktide is either controller or M&K.

[shrewd topaz]

Thing is its roller players so lol lmao aim assist go brr

[unreal nova]

Can't do both at the same time.

[frank basin]

Ask fs

[unreal nova]

Best you can do is rudimentary gyro.

[brazen mist]

All I know is that they say as long as its on steam its compatible, we will see ig

[unreal nova]

It's not great in DT since not really supported.

[frank basin]

4 year old game

[brazen mist]

Toucpad for aim and stick for movement might be cool in theory

[silver patrol]

cursed ass controls

[unreal nova]

It is, but as said, in another game.