how important are serated blade and trench figher drill for HSWORD?
#veteran-class
agile mango
torpid grotto
Attack speed is very important for me
tall torrent
how important are serated blade and trench figher drill for HSWORD?
serrated not that important
trench fighter is good and fairly important for basically every melee except tac axe and duelling sword
and maybe DC sword 7? but nobody runs that
agile mango
any idea what I can drop to make room for grenade tinkerer so I can use kraks?
arctic ridge
Fucking Mr. E -_-
It was a recent video too, last month.
It's, mind-boggling. Recon lasgun, making Havoc 40 easy? Like what?
tall torrent
any idea what I can drop to make room for grenade tinkerer so I can use kraks?
killzone, ez
gentle lake
Somehow these meta builds are supposed to be strong
when I constantly see such users eat shit
agile mango
killzone, ez
why killzone? isn't it jsut a flat +15% ranged damage?
tall torrent
why killzone? isn't it jsut a flat +15% ranged damage?
when ur not getting hit by any melee yes
gentle lake
A melee weapon that cant kill hordes, and ranged that can't deal with carapace
tall torrent
and it turns off for 8s which is really long
gentle lake
agile mango
when ur not getting hit by any melee yes
Doesn't dodge count as not getting hit? same for block no?
tall torrent
Doesn't dodge count as not getting hit? same for block no?
dodge yes
block no
gentle lake
Stop using dueling sword, my god. I hate dueling sword, remove dueling sword
arctic ridge
A melee weapon that cant kill hordes, and ranged that can't deal with carapace
Right?
torpid grotto
It’s a very good weapon
tidal fox
Stop using dueling sword, my god. I hate dueling sword, remove dueling sword
dont hate on my boy dueling sword
agile mango
aside from killzone is there anything I can probably drop? I think I need killzone for my 2 shot breakpoint on havoc 40 crushers
tall torrent
aside from killzone is there anything I can probably drop? I think I need killzo...
nah just shoot 3 times
u need 2 crit headshots with a lot of buffs up for that breakpoint anyway
besides there're just less crushers now so u prob shouldn't build entirely around them
torpid grotto
Watching dueling sword players move around like Bambi on ice while stabbing the air is my personal hell
agile mango
nah just shoot 3 times
u need 2 crit headshots with a lot of buffs up for that b...
maybe if I switch hot-shot to armorbane I can drop a point? think that could work?
tall torrent
maybe if I switch hot-shot to armorbane I can drop a point? think that could wor...
which helbore mark
tidal fox
Watching dueling sword players move around like Bambi on ice while stabbing the ...
oh yeah I really fuckin hate that
agile mango
which helbore mark
MK 4
agile mango
armorbane is worthless for that variant
does it already have a 1x multiplier on full charge?
tall torrent
does it already have a 1x multiplier on full charge?
0.9568 ADM vs carapace
rend/brit basically achieve nothing
agile mango
sustained fire then?
hollow ibex
i guess it'll give you around 10% extra damage against crushers 
tall torrent
high ADMs across the board
agile mango
with helbore passive charge mod
what is that?
tall torrent
what is that?
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/496?tab=description
it only works properly when u have aim down sights set to hold instead of toggle
it makes it so when u ADS, helbore will auto charge up and u can click m1 to shoot
instead of holding m1 to charge and releasing to shoot
a lot more intuitive this way
tall torrent
yea it shud be base game options tbh
I'm bugging playtesters abt it so they can bug the devs to add it
agile mango
is there a mod that makes the charge bars on the helbore non-bugged too?
tall torrent
is there a mod that makes the charge bars on the helbore non-bugged too?
wdym
agile mango
wdym
sometimes if I rapidly fire the helbore, the bars on the side of the reticle will stop going up past a certaqin point
agile mango
u basically only want to use the charged shots
no, i mean multiple cahrged shots in scucession
tall torrent
no, i mean multiple cahrged shots in scucession
how does it bug out then
brave acorn
sometimes if I rapidly fire the helbore, the bars on the side of the reticle wil...
Are you holding charge or just clicking?
agile mango
how does it bug out then
like the charge bars wont go all the way up no matter how long I hold
tall torrent
like the charge bars wont go all the way up no matter how long I hold
is it because the ammo in the gun is below 9
agile mango
is it because the ammo in the gun is below 9
i didn't chek
didnt know that could even happen
tall torrent
i didn't chek
helbore's charge amount is related to ammo
can't charge to max is the ammo left for that shot is below max charge shot ammo consumption
agile mango
helbore's charge amount is related to ammo
got it.
also, why dump defenses on heavy sword if it has deathblow?
isn't cleave a better dump stat?
tall torrent
got it.
also, why dump defenses on heavy sword if it has deathblow?
isn't cleave...
u could dump cleave targets but defences' difference is pretty small
it's push/block/sprint cost
and it's not exceptional in all 3 even if u max defences stat
agile mango
u could dump cleave targets but defences' difference is pretty small
isn't cleave targets totally pointless though thanks to deathblow?
tall torrent
isn't cleave targets totally pointless though thanks to deathblow?
not entirely
H smiter is 11.7 cleave with 80% cleave targets
with max headtaker this goes to 16.38, which exceeds 16.2 (4 poxwalkers in h40)
u cannot get this cleave breakpoint without getting high cleave targets stat
and H smiter doesn't have particularly good attack angles for horde (overhead or diagonal uppercut)
agile mango
u cannot get this cleave breakpoint without getting high cleave targets stat
thank you! this makes sense now
tall torrent
thank you! this makes sense now
there're basically 2 cleave "breakpoints" to aim for
hybrid plover
Perfect Strike enjoyers rise up
tidal fox
🧍🏼♂️
tall torrent
10, will reliably activate "hit 3 or more enemies in 1 attack" on most enemies
16.2, will be sufficient for most mixed horde scenarios across all difficulties
arctic ridge
Smoke grenade triggers daemon?
tidal fox
yes
there's a little stagger it does on the blast
it wont wake the daemon
but it'll anger it
arctic ridge
TIL
tidal fox
that's why I sometimes throw it when picking up someone downed
cause it staggers fodder just a little bit
arctic ridge
Threw it when DH spawned in an unskippable area, & horde & specials were choking us to a killbox.
hybrid plover
Also kinda messes with melee unit ai too
So they're sometimes slow to react when you go for the rez
Sometimes
pseudo fiber
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/496?tab=description
it only ...
This is the only reason I use helbore lmfao
tidal fox
and it also makes shotgunners juke the shit out of you
arctic ridge
Is speedrunning, a meta in Maelstrom?
3rd time in a row I'm in a Maelstrom, both quickplay right in-game & quick-lobby, that I find myself in a squad where folks are all running around everything.
2 of which, both had Nurgle Blessing + Monstrous Specials modifiers.
tall torrent
Is speedrunning, a meta in Maelstrom?
kind of?
tame lodge
Don't stall and sometimes you have to take point
arctic ridge
The 3rd time I was in, ended when squad ran into a wall of shotgunners + bulwakrs, while nurgle & 2 chaos spawns caught up from behind.
tame lodge
Hell someone has to take point
arctic ridge
If everyone can manage it, I can see that.
shrewd topaz
Is speedrunning, a meta in Maelstrom?
Speedrun as in actually speedrunning or average pub players
arctic ridge
Speedrun as in actually speedrunning or average pub players
As in, trying to run past all enemies, in a racing pace, when possible ignore & outrun bosses altogether.
One of the end result screen had a victory runtime around 17 minutes.
arctic ridge
Funny enough, only one of those runs had a stealth zealot, & that was the third one which ended in loss.
tall torrent
One of the end result screen had a victory runtime around 17 minutes.
This is not that fast to be called a speedrun tbh
arctic ridge
Without map exploits, Maelstrom can go under 15?
tough nova
With a good team yah
arctic ridge
Not for all maps though?
Excepting the train one, cause that's a fixed time of what, 10 minute end limit?
sick abyss
I NEED HELP
i seem to always have toughness pretty full but still take so much damage to my health, i dont know what is wrong with my build. i have good damage as well
arctic ridge
Some attacks nonetheless bleed into health
distant plaza
dodge dodge dodge
block
sliiide
tall torrent
i seem to always have toughness pretty full but still take so much damage to my ...
wats ur talent tree
and are u new to the game
wary garden
dodge dodge dodge
block
sliiide
Then do 5 big booms
hearty panther
turn ur screen towards him
sick abyss
i dont see guardian gloriana here
tall torrent
i dont see guardian gloriana here
what
sick abyss
one of my curios is that and i dont see it here
sick abyss
do i send link here?
tall torrent
do i send link here?
sure
sick abyss
how do i share the build
distant plaza
don't need one
somber axle
you could use the snip tool on your computer or like press alt+printscreen and it will copy an image of whatever is on your computer
but idk if grey names have image perms
might need red first unless you DM them
just fill the little talent tree, select weapons with perks/blessings and then share pics or a link to the page
tall torrent
i dont have a games lanturn account
u can just take a screenshot of the build u made on that web page...
tawny badger
honestly I'd swap One Motion for Tactical Reload
swap speed is already decently fast in most cases unless you're using like
the helbore lasguns, bolter or maybe plasma gun
tall torrent
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1ce17a8-a57d-4a50-8a9f-d41d0f...
ok yea this is missing a lot of good stuff
question: are u new to the game
sick abyss
no
tall torrent
start from this base
sick abyss
I know for sure my psyker build is good cause i dont struggle like i do on this class
and my zealot
tall torrent
well ur missing some crucial defense talents on ur build here
shrewd topaz
I know for sure my psyker build is good cause i dont struggle like i do on this ...
🤨
tall torrent
and also a good chunk of damage
tall torrent
I know for sure my psyker build is good cause i dont struggle like i do on this ...
and frankly seeing ur vet build makes this statement kinda sus too lol
sick abyss
i promise
sick abyss
when i play psyker its a breeze just this class
tawny badger
no demolition team, why live
sick abyss
do i have to have survivalist ammo doesn't feel like an issue
tall torrent
do i have to have survivalist ammo doesn't feel like an issue
a lot of the time, no
but u should have it anyway
shrewd topaz
The other auras just suck
shrewd topaz
Tbh if I had a choice I'd just skip the row and use default survivalist
Would be funny but welp
shrewd topaz
not exactly true
Does damage do anything
shrewd topaz
Is it base damage 
sick abyss
i only have 6 skill points left
torpid grotto
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1ce17a8-a57d-4a50-8a9f-d41d0f...
confirmed kill, iron will, tactical awareness, and demolition team are very very strong talents. Try giving some stuff up to allocate them and test in a game yourself
fading yarrow
Died while testing a build and was sat next to another teammate. One of the remaining two threw a smoke on us and went in to revive the other waiting teammate. Literally as soon as they stood up, they both got Trapped through the smoke lol
shrewd topaz
Clearly you don't own an air fryer
sick abyss
start from this base
i did this now what
tall torrent
i did this now what
ok what did u end up with
sick abyss
i dont know what to use my last 6 skill points on do i just choose what i want now?
tall torrent
what last 6 points
sick abyss
????
tall torrent
what blitz and ability did u take
sick abyss
kra\k and voice of command
shrewd topaz
Fym 6 points spare 💀
tall torrent
normally it goes like this
blitz:
if frag, take grenadier
if krak, take tinkerer
if smoke, optionally take tinkerer
ability:
if VoC, take D&H
if stance, take ogryn highlight
if infiltrate, take marksman (bottom left, red node)
keystone:
if FT, take redirect fire
if WS, and using a gun that needs to reload a lot, take always prepared
agile engagement is very good and if u don't play sharpshooter, u should have it
trench fighter is also very good and if u don't play sharpshooter, u should also have it
sick abyss
do i choose my keystone?
tall torrent
it sort of depends on what weapons u take
if ur using power sword or rashad, go WS (dodge and atk speed improvements help a lot)
if ur using ranged weapon that needs to reload a lot (like shotguns, revolver, boltpistol), go WS and take always prepared
otherwise focus target is generally a good choice, it's just a lot of extra single target dmg
sick abyss
wat about close quarters killzone?
tall torrent
it's not that good
because vet has the worst ability CDR in the game
it's entirely balanced around VoC being super strong when it's up
shrewd topaz
Even with tactical awareness always up the CDR still bleh
tall torrent
and as a result u either get really meh CDR if u go VoC or infil
or u practically don't care about CDR if u go stance
tidal fox
So is there no point on taking cdr on ur curios?
tall torrent
depends
if u one trick VoC, CDR does matter
or if u play infil, CDR also does help
but if u play stance then CDR is practically irrelevant
sick abyss
is invigorated meh?
tidal fox
I see i see
tall torrent
is invigorated meh?
yea
sick abyss
so like i just only get the one keystone thing?
tidal fox
if u one trick VoC, CDR does matter
Do you know how much overall 3x cdr on curios do?
tall torrent
so like i just only get the one keystone thing?
you can only get 1 keystone on vet yes
tidal fox
Like specifically
sick abyss
i still have 2 skills points
tall torrent
Do you know how much overall 3x cdr on curios do?
3 combined is -12% so your 40s CD becomes 35.2s
with full tac awareness uptime, it goes from 20s to 17.6s
tall torrent
i still have 2 skills points
what is your tree now
tidal fox
Yeah i think ill get rid of the cdr on my exe curios
tidal fox
Ill keep it on infil tho
sick abyss
that
tall torrent
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1ce17a8-a57d-4a50-8a9f-d41d0f...
swap aura to survivalist
get agile engagement
and probably change weapons
DC sword not very good
last point depends on what weapons u use ig
sick abyss
i like using so much of them tho
tall torrent
also change fire frenzy to deathspitter on infantry autogun
sick abyss
chainsword
tall torrent
chainsword
unfortunately also meh
torpid grotto
i like using so much of them tho
you should use what's fun to you
thats the best way to play the game
vestal ravine
Devil claw is really good on Scum and Psyker, but on Veteran you'll have to relly on kraks to defeat Crushers.
Armored enemies can be dealt with DC with a parry, it has a really good damage profile across all armor types.
Since both your weapons don't get decent bonuses from Weapon Specialist change it for Focus Target!
Then remove the left side near the keystone and remove Precision Strikes and the+10% ranged node.
Put those two talent nodes on the keystone, Focused Fire and Redirect Fire.
Then, as you're using Devil Claw, change the Trench Fighter Drill for Out for Blood, otherwise you'll be dying to anything in the game.
sick abyss
Devil claw is really good on Scum and Psyker, but on Veteran you'll have to rell...
is focused target not for ranged?
vestal ravine
focused fire (6 stacks) is not good
how come?
tall torrent
how come?
spending a whole point (on the class with 8 points worth of choice including blitz, ability and keystone) to get a measly 5% damage, is not worth
vestal ravine
Extra 34% on single target, then a team wide bonus of 15%.
tall torrent
that single target has a caveat of not tagging anything for 6s straight
shrewd topaz
Math
tall torrent
just not the right way to play the keystone
vestal ravine
Nope, that's not how it works.
tall torrent
yes it is
sick abyss
can i just share my screen?
tall torrent
FT minimum refresh mechanic starts u off on 2 stacks banked
shrewd topaz
Oh
sick abyss
im in sp7
shrewd topaz
We love hidden stuff
vestal ravine
You can keep tagging to keep the 15% to the whole team, you just won't be getting the full 34% all the time, but you don't need to.
tall torrent
You can keep tagging to keep the 15% to the whole team, you just won't be gettin...
yes in which case it's 15% from RF compared to 10% from base RF
so u get a 5% dmg increase for 1 point, which is not worth
vestal ravine
max stacks takes 4.5 seconds as applying the stacks already gives you one.
sick abyss
join me in vc pls
tall torrent
4.5s gives u 3 stacks
vestal ravine
You said 6 seconds.
Ah, for four.
Even then, you'll only be accumulating those stacks for the ogryns, the rest you'll be tagging no matter how many stacks you have to keep Redirect Fire on.
With Target Down! it would be even better, but not enough points left.
turbid ibex
If 6 stacks made it so you gained a stack every second instead of every second and a half itd be good
tall torrent
You said 6 seconds.
6 seconds to reach 6 stacks
vestal ravine
These two videos sums it up why this is the best keystone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=141C-Vk9acY
6.5 seconds to remove 34% hp from a beast of nurgle... huge time.
tall torrent
6.5 seconds to remove 34% hp from a beast of nurgle... huge time.
u can still do very respectable boss dmg without 6 stacks
fading yarrow
Died distracting a bunch of elites away from the objective. Controller ran out of batteries. Replaced them. Accidentally pressed the prompt to back out to the main menu instead of retrying the controller connection
hollow ibex
Died distracting a bunch of elites away from the objective. Controller ran out o...
your teammates prob: another fking leaver reeeeee
turbid ibex
This is why you always have a charging cable ready when playing on controller
unreal nova
This is why you always have a charging cable ready when playing on controller
No, just go wired. Never worry about batteries.
tidal fox
or better yet buy a pc
turbid ibex
I don't need more wires on my table
Coward
willow prairie
also latency is really good on controller + dongle now
unreal nova
or better yet buy a pc
You can plug a controller into your PC's USB port. 
lean rune
has anyone done dps testing on all vet weaponry?
narrow frost
yeah
lean rune
do you know where i can find it?
narrow frost
I think next to the weapons it shows adms
and somewhere it shows damage scalings?
forgot
I know he has a graph somewhere
agile mango
am I dumb or are smokes the best grenades bar none for vet in havoc now?
agile mango
best for what?
best at lettig you win with PUBs
I think the director getting less crushers means there's way more gunners now
narrow frost
depends on the user skill/build and team comp/difficulty/enemy seed
so it can be, yeah
mystic glade
exec stance mogs shout in every way now
drowsy perch
exec stance mogs shout in every way now
depends
if ur ranged build ya
its like always better
mystic glade
even on melee
hollow ibex
melee ES is goated
feral jetty
what guns are good on ES
I was using hellbore and it was fun but i'm wondering what else there is
austere mica
willow prairie
exec stance mogs shout in every way now
i think you just have shit teammate
tame lodge
what guns are good on ES
Vigis
willow prairie
imagine being fucking 1m damage behind they're so ass
tame lodge
hollow ibex
what guns are good on ES
all of them
except maybe braced
even ES can't save braced
shrewd topaz
Auto pistol
mystic glade
i think you just have shit teammate
this is how it looks like with 99% of people i play with
shrewd topaz
And
vestal ravine
This is strange, the Zarona Combat Shotgun is, as always, with wrong ADS stats wrong, because it has a different damage profile when ADS, it's not just pellet count, it's like a different shot altogether.
vestal ravine
what guns are good on ES
Zarona Combat Shotgun - Flechette and Scattershot.
tame lodge
even ES can't save braced
Yeah because it needs Onslaught
You know
To help with loss of adm over distance
Unless mk8
Or if you're point blanking it
unreal nova
this is how it looks like with 99% of people i play with
I think that's the price of getting so good at a game, everyone else is just bad to you.
tame lodge
True
That's when you accept that everyone will be worse than you
So you just be a kind soul and understand
Like me
shrewd topaz
Admech on its way to get the hive scum treatment
tidal fox
one day we will face a plague marine
tame lodge
tidal fox
then we can truly throw powerscaling out the window
hybrid plover
This is strange, the Zarona Combat Shotgun is, as always, with wrong ADS stats w...
Read it again.
You're missing a very crucial detail on the chart that explains the different damage profile.
It's actually completely correct.
vestal ravine
Finesse?
hybrid plover
Yep. Zarona in particular has a really high finesse curve for ADS shot compared to any other shotgun.
The base damage is the same. But hitting a crit or weakspot nets a lot more than the other shotguns' ADS shots.
Every combat shotty has that trait. It's just a lot more exaggerated on Zarona specifically.
Or rather. The finesse curves a lot harder from hip to ADS.
Agrippinna has the highest finesse on ADS.
vestal ravine
But then why body shots have such a different damage profile as well. And if this was finesse people would see it scale normally, people even report this in the forums.
Plague ogryn, body shot all pellets 349 damage, no crit, ADS 437 body shot all pellets, no crit.
This is a classic case where finesse does not apply, yet, damage is far different.
hybrid plover
Plague ogryn, body shot all pellets 349 damage, no crit, ADS 437 body shot all p...
because it is a pellet count thing.
vestal ravine
Both have 13, hitting all pellets
vestal ravine
So let me try the mutant
hybrid plover
It has a higher maximum pellet count for Unyielding compared to any other armor class.
It quite literally just magically forms 2 pellets.
When you do that test with any other enemy type, the damage is consistent.
vestal ravine
946 hipfire body - 946 ads body.
vestal ravine
When you do that test with any other enemy type, the damage is consistent.
Mindblown
hybrid plover
Mindblown
This is what I was saying in Psy chat the other day
It's also why Full Bore is a decent option for making Zarona a boss killer.
Because it's basically guaranteed to proc on a boss no matter what.
But yeah you can even see it in the chart. The "MPC" for Zarona on VI Killshot for Unyielding is 15.
quiet lark
It quite literally just magically forms 2 pellets.
woah im learning new things
hybrid plover
Apologies for misunderstanding your assessment the first time. I didn't catch what you were sayin until you mentioned the Plague Ogryn and it clicked lol
But yeah it's just been like that the whole time.
So it's most likely intended. Just.
Confusing.
quiet lark
also off topic may i again request your hsword zealot build 🙏
hybrid plover
OH
tall torrent
But then why body shots have such a different damage profile as well. And if thi...
I'll check in a bit
hybrid plover
I'll check in a bit
I already explained it no worries
vestal ravine
No problem, I'm just out of words because of that one line, although I never saw that table. All my knowledge of the weapon has been from playing with it.
tall torrent
I already explained it no worries
no I just brought the shotgun and shot reaper chest point blank and it was different dmg
need to check again
hybrid plover
no I just brought the shotgun and shot reaper chest point blank and it was diffe...
Yeah. Because it generates more base pellets on Unyielding enemy type
vestal ravine
Thanks for the patience see you guys.
tall torrent
Yeah. Because it generates more base pellets on Unyielding enemy type
no, reaper chest is FLAK
hybrid plover
But reaper themselves is considered Unyielding for center mass. I think it goes off of that instead of actual armor type being hit
Which
Again
tall torrent
no, pellets go off of armor zone struck
hybrid plover
Then that might be something to check on
vestal ravine
But reaper themselves is considered Unyielding for center mass. I think it goes ...
On plague oggryn depending on the angle the damage could be higher, I did not know what was causing that as I was certainly hitting the belly.
hybrid plover
Or it could simply be the pellets steering off to the unyielding part which is resulting in the extra damage
vestal ravine
As if the hit was being detected latter and hit a different armor type.
tall torrent
Or it could simply be the pellets steering off to the unyielding part which is r...
highly doubt that can happen at point blank
hybrid plover
It's a shotgun to be fair.
calm shard
Plague ogryn, body shot all pellets 349 damage, no crit, ADS 437 body shot all p...
On the Zarona the hipfire and ADS damage profiles have different min pellet counts
I could not possibly tell you for what reason, but that's just how it is
vestal ravine
I could not possibly tell you for what reason, but that's just how it is
All shotguns are like that, but the thing here is that the min pellet count vs unyelding is higher than the total pellet shot by the gun, the gun shots 13 but when you ads vs unyelding it becomes 15.
hybrid plover
also off topic may i again request your hsword zealot build 🙏
honestly could trade the 10% melee damage operative node on bottom left for Against The Odds and it might actually work better tbh...
tall torrent
no, pellets go off of armor zone struck
well fuck I guess shotgun checks center mass or whatever on reaper specifically
quiet lark
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1ce7869-3982-4888-bc12-3bee9c195eca/he...
thank u you're my goat
hybrid plover
well fuck I guess shotgun checks center mass or whatever on reaper specifically
What the heck
You're right.
It doesn't do the same thing for Bulwark
What kind of Tzeetchian treachery is this???
It could very well be that it's checking for center mass when hitting chest shots, which wouldn't matter on anything but Reaper.
hybrid plover
That is some actual mind karkery right there.
hybrid plover
thank u you're my goat
♥
slender elm
I saw patch notes and was like oh shovel uncanny +db is dead
hybrid plover
I saw patch notes and was like oh shovel uncanny +db is dead
It's fine tbh
Don't really need uncanny for it anymore
slender elm
Really
hybrid plover
Shovel ADMs got buffed across the board to compensate for uncanny nerf
And there's just not as many crushers anymore
Crusher spawn nerf is actually really noticeable.
I've stopped running carapace perks on my weapons cuz of it
slender elm
But I cant clear a wave of scab ragers in one blast anymore...
hybrid plover
you still can lol
slender elm
How
slender elm
Scab rager chest are carapace no
hybrid plover
They're considered flak for center mass
slender elm
Wot
slender elm
Dafuq
hybrid plover
hybrid plover
We're learning a lot today 
dry cloak
Scab ragers were all flak in the past
hybrid plover
I've stopped running carapace perks on my weapons cuz of it
Caveat, I still run it if I'm primarily using that weapon for crusher control
Yeah they never actually changed their center mass armor type
Just gave the chest area carapace.
hybrid plover
It could very well be that it's checking for center mass when hitting chest shot...
Also I'm lowkey considering running zarona even more after realizing it's basically a reaper hard counter lmao
What a weirdly designed weapon.
dry cloak
Its a hard counter to most things as long as you hit heads
hybrid plover
No like, it's legit coded to be.
That is a weirdly specific behavior for a weapon to have.
torpid grotto
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1ce7869-3982-4888-bc12-3bee9c195eca/he...
what do you think of the 10 sec modifier for IJ
i havent tested with and without
hybrid plover
what do you think of the 10 sec modifier for IJ
It
Is helpful.
But I don't think it's necessary.
hardy marlin
wa
tall torrent
I've stopped running carapace perks on my weapons cuz of it
I still run it for mauler and plasma gunner
as well as twins
but unyielding flak might be better now
slow sky
~~that a problem huh~~
they take 2x melee damage to the head
so you rarely even notice it
but if you want to minmax then a cara perk would be better but i dont think its worth it if the reason is "cuz twins"
tall torrent
It’s mainly mauler tbh
But I’m also considering dropping it for unyielding instead
Power sword just does ridiculous damage
scarlet crescent
which shovel are we looking at?
shrewd topaz
Probably just not worth unless you need for 1 hit breakpoint
tall torrent
which shovel are we looking at?
1 or 3
tall torrent
Probably just not worth unless you need for 1 hit breakpoint
Losing 25% vs carapace means power sword doesn’t get to 1 stab mauler with PA without crit/agile engagement
But it’s still 2 hit pretty well and frags will help a good amount vs mauler wave
Might do unyielding flak honestly
Would still run carapace for weapons that don’t kill maulers fast tho
shrewd topaz
Be a bodyshoter 
tall torrent
Rly wanna do unyielding flak for RB too tbh
But then it actually just won’t kill maulers that fast
Zealot problems
fast dawn
What melee weapon would you pair with the revolver?
pseudo fiber
Psword is great with Weapon spec
fast dawn
how is the rashad combat axe with brutal momentum? the power sword just feels so slow and clunky
tall torrent
how is the rashad combat axe with brutal momentum? the power sword just feels so...
also very good
fast dawn
kk ty! I'll try it out. I'm pretty new to the game and just recently reached lvl 30. I've been using the duelling sword, but I struggle with horde clear
late sapphire
kk ty! I'll try it out. I'm pretty new to the game and just recently reached lvl...
i aint even level 13 methinks
i'm also figuring out darktide slowly
trying to go for the biggest single target shot possible cus idk i like that
so far, im torn between the revolver with the Mk IIa barrel or the Bolter pistol
fast dawn
I've used the revolver since I got it when leveling and it's been a blast. Feels really powerful and fun to one tap specials cross map.
fast dawn
also very good
what perks would you run on it and the revolver?
tall torrent
what perks would you run on it and the revolver?
unarmored/flak + carapace on rashad
unyielding flak on revolver
fast dawn
unarmored/flak + carapace on rashad
unyielding flak on revolver
No need for carapace on revolver? Is it because you're using the axe heavy to kill crushers instead of revolver?
tall torrent
No need for carapace on revolver? Is it because you're using the axe heavy to ki...
yea not worth the ammo cost tbh
fast dawn
that makes sense. I was using revolver for them and found myself to be out of ammo a lot in auric or higher
tall torrent
axe is 2~3 heavy atks to kill mauler and usually ~4 for crusher
but unlike power sword, it can stagger crusher with heavy atk
quiet lark
trying to go for the biggest single target shot possible cus idk i like that
if this is your goal revolver will be much better
tall torrent
which makes it a bit safer
fast dawn
oooh that's cool. You mentioned unarmored or flak. How would you decide which one you need? I'm still learning all the different types of enemies
late sapphire
if this is your goal revolver will be much better
noted, thanks! reccomended perks?
quiet lark
flak unyielding 👍🙂↕️
tall torrent
oooh that's cool. You mentioned unarmored or flak. How would you decide which on...
flak if u want better mixed horde
unarmored if u want better bruiser breakpoint accessibility
both are valid
fast dawn
so if I can 1 hit bruisers in the head then I don't need unarmored and can do flak instead basically?
tall torrent
depends on how many buffs u need
if it's too much, that's where accessibility comes in
fast dawn
I see. Once I farm some materials to level it to max I'll test it out and see what I need. I appreciate all the help!
late sapphire
flak unyielding 👍🙂↕️
noted, thanks!
btw im trying out the scout laser rifle
i do not like it at all
yeah it fires turboquick but it feels weird
quiet lark
the recon? im not a big fan of it personally but it's alright
late sapphire
the recon? im not a big fan of it personally but it's alright
im hating it
shrewd topaz
it goofy till mark vic
late sapphire
it goofy till mark vic
and how is the bolter?
shrewd topaz
pistol or spearhead
late sapphire
pistol or spearhead
spearhead
late sapphire
and very annoying on vet since no knives to swap cancel
swap cancel?
late sapphire
ohhhhhh
im running the mk2 revolver for now cus im legit oneshotting every elite on the dome
until i get le plasma rifle
quiet lark
bolter is clunky but it's a strong option
fast dawn
hows the revolver vs plasma gun? I've seen a lot of people mention plasma is best. Does it play similiar to revolver?
tall torrent
hows the revolver vs plasma gun? I've seen a lot of people mention plasma is bes...
Plasma is stronger overall because it’s 1 point cheaper to run
quiet lark
revolver is bit reliant on ws and ap for reloads while plasma can run ws or ft. also cheaper to run cause you don't need the reload node as path said
fast dawn
ah I see
quiet lark
id say you can play more hybrid with plasma compared to revolver due to ammo i.e. not as melee focused
but it's also good with melee playstyle
fast dawn
that makes sense. I'll have to check it out in the future then
late sapphire
im mostly thinking of running a single target dmg build
fast dawn
This is my current talent tree while running duelling sword and revolver, but I'm switching to the rashad combat axe. Would you guys change anything?
tall torrent
https://imgur.com/a/OwdQf6g
This is my current talent tree while running duelli...
Drop exhilarating takedown and reload speed, get longshot, get grenade tinkerer for krak
Rest are fine
Optionally use exe stance or infiltrate over VoC but that’s rly up to u
shrewd topaz
infiltrate mentioned
quiet lark
honestly i think out for blood or +25 tn is better than et with a ws build if you specifically want more tankiness, then id switch et for longshot. you would be dropping tinkerer tho
tall torrent
I also think frag with grenadier is higher value than krak with tinkerer atm
quiet lark
oops switch reload
fast dawn
Thanks, so I switched et and reload speed for longshot and tinkerer. If I don't feel tanky enough I'll try taking out for blood.
tall torrent
If u have stance u will be tanky enough
fast dawn
Which one is stance again?
fast dawn
ah I see, I've been really liking voice of command so I think I'll keep running that for now
turbid ibex
You have One Motion talent
Its still noticeably slower than any other ranged weapon you have
steep flower
https://imgur.com/a/OwdQf6g
This is my current talent tree while running duelli...
If you really want reload spd use Tactical Reload if you use a revolver such as Zarona
late sapphire
which are the go-to stubnose mk-IIa blessings for single target dmg?
unreal nova
You have One Motion talent
Also using the new mark. GF claims it swaps faster.
I should test it some day.
steep flower
Also using the new mark. GF claims it swaps faster.
It swaps the same
agile forge
It might feel faster because you can hipfire it for single shots too
Bolter 2b needs to go into ADS for single shots which adds a little extra time
unreal nova
It swaps the same
Ah, guess it's just smoother. She plays mainly Zealot so... Shrugs.
willow prairie
I mean bolter and bolt pistol are 2 shot weapon
tame lodge
That's Zarona right?
Surgical Trickshooter
Or
Surgical Hand Cannon if you're planning on shooting carapace
Which honestly no real reason to
turbid ibex
What about false reason to
turbid ibex
Moonmeleer
turbid ibex
Maulesters
steep flower
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057054416039059506/1078051565694353591...
I love this; this is me
restive mountain
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057054416039059506/1078051565694353591...
outer cosmos
I want veteran to get a weapon in the same vein as rapier + pistol from vermintide
But it’s a sabre and bolt pistol instead
tawny badger
-# isnt that just dueling sword and revolver
tame lodge
stuck gorge
-# dueling sword and revolver but with plasma gun too
abstract horizon
Am I the only one bummed out that the graia helmet has no visor and doesn't match the color palette of the rest of veteran the uniform?
tidal fox
bro thinsk we out here memorizing vet cosmetics
verbal burrow
I just returned to playing Vet after a long period of inactivity, and I see they changed the Vet talent tree
I am also seeing that the funny combat axe no longer features heavily in the builds on Games Lantern?
tame lodge
Rashad Combat Axe still top tier
It hasn't changed since
Uh
As long as I have been around
So like 4 years
verbal burrow
I can still be the happy little hatchet man who gives his friends Toughness, and gives his enemies plasma shots and krak grenades, right?
tame lodge
Yes
verbal burrow
🥳
And does Withering Fire even do anything for Plasma Gun? It already has infinicleave, does it not?
somber axle
It has 18 cleave by default now so like no you don't need Withering Fire
it's nerfed from older Plasma days
Charged shots have 102 cleave or something
but it's still a crazy amount of cleave even at 18
verbal burrow
And Withering Fire would restore it to closer to the olden days?
somber axle
it's not necessary tbh
tall torrent
And Withering Fire would restore it to closer to the olden days?
U don’t need it for plasma
somber axle
you probably won't notice the difference much when you use it in game
verbal burrow
So what do folks usually take to progress to Catch a Breath?
somber axle
Iron Will + Field Improv are my must haves on every build for the middle of the tree
Superiority Complex, Withering Fire, Trench Fighter Drill and Serrated Blade are all dependent on what loadout I'm running tbh
I don't usually take Withering Fire but it's useful for Helbore Mk V with Hotshot and the Recon Mk XIV with Deathspitter
verbal burrow
I am not even seeing Iron Will at this crossroads
somber axle
I am not even seeing Iron Will at this crossroads
you already have iron will
tidal fox
ive given up field improve for the bleed cause it'll often synergize with the pubs
verbal burrow
Oh so it is
Well yeah that's pretty much non negotiable
Due to how peak it has been since launch
somber axle
I always take Field Improv unless I know there's another Vet in the squad who will take it instead
tidal fox
all of the options around there are pretty eh except for field improv
somber axle
Trench Fighter Drill on most melees but I don't take it on Knife or Tac Axe Mk VII
tidal fox
but people rarely need a grenade replen or corruption removal for a medkit
tidal fox
Trench Fighter Drill on most melees but I don't take it on Knife or Tac Axe Mk V...
it's pretty good on taxe u should defo try it
makes it fun
verbal burrow
Trench Fighter Drill on most melees but I don't take it on Knife or Tac Axe Mk V...
I'm on my Rashad III grindset atm
somber axle
I'd say Trench Fighter Drill is almost mandatory for Rashad Combat Axe
somber axle
it's pretty good on taxe u should defo try it
it's funny with the extra speed but I'd rather have the point elsewhere for a Helbore build tbh and my melee is really just a sidearm when I'm running Helbore
tidal fox
yeah if youre desperate for talent points that'd be the first thing I drop
verbal burrow
I'd say Trench Fighter Drill is almost mandatory for Rashad Combat Axe
That's good to know. I never really experienced it as slow tbh
The axe in question
somber axle
That's good to know. I never really experienced it as slow tbh
Trench Fighter Drill + Weapon Specialist keystone makes the Combat Axe feel a LOT better
but if you're good I imagine you could get away with just one? Idk where else you'd rather have the point but both is really good QoL for Rashad Combat Axe
tidal fox
still extremely slow to me but it's a nice weapon to use ocassionally
verbal burrow
Trench Fighter Drill + Weapon Specialist keystone makes the Combat Axe feel a LO...
I didn't really go for weap spec keystone. I'd do Shouty Boi + Focus Target
tame lodge
Oh yeah
somber axle
I didn't really go for weap spec keystone. I'd do Shouty Boi + Focus Target
wait were you playing Rashad Combat Axe without any melee attack speed
tame lodge
Also due to the low amount of crushers you might not need carapace
But Maulers still a thing I guess
verbal burrow
wait were you playing Rashad Combat Axe without any melee attack speed
Oh, no, Trench Fighter Drill existed last time I played too
tall torrent
Tac axe and DS can skip trench fighter
somber axle
if you've been gone a long time another big change is Auric Crusher HP going from 4k to 6.5k
but also
Crusher spawns just got nerfed BIG TIME
so they're not nearly as frequent anymore either
tall torrent
I actually think unyielding flak is the meta for majority melee weapons now
verbal burrow
Flak, really
tame lodge
🚬
tall torrent
There’re 4 exceptions tho imo
tidal fox
yeah cause maulers are a bigger issue than crushers now
tall torrent
Tax axe
Combat axe
Duelling sword
Force sword
verbal burrow
IDK there were a lot of Crushers and Maulers both back then
tall torrent
The rest are basically just unyielding flak
verbal burrow
So Combat Axe is an exception because it takes Unyielding + Flak now?
tame lodge
This says a lot about flak and the weapons with poor flak adm
tall torrent
IDK there were a lot of Crushers and Maulers both back then
I have a 20 min auric duo HiSTG vod with 0 crushers
tall torrent
So Combat Axe is an exception because it takes Unyielding + Flak now?
Combat axe I do unarmored/flak + carapace
tame lodge
We should nerf the number of flak enemies too
tall torrent
We should nerf the number of flak enemies too
I like the current spot tbh
verbal burrow
Combat axe I do unarmored/flak + carapace
So the Rashad III is still Flak + Carapace, then?
tidal fox
on a serious note it does feel a lot better not to worry about running anti-carapace all the time
tall torrent
So the Rashad III is still Flak + Carapace, then?
Works
orchid hemlock
Unarmored still has breakpoints I assume
tidal fox
but the fact that inferno staff isn't resting in the grave alongside cadia is still heresy
tall torrent
Can do unarmored over flak as well if u like bruiser breakpoint accessibility
hollow ibex
I actually think unyielding flak is the meta for majority melee weapons now
Due to crusher spam nerf?
verbal burrow
I don't even remember which enemies the nominalistic term "bruiser" refers to
verbal burrow
I do remember that I'd usually take care of bosses with a damage stim and krak grenades whilst shouting like the calmest man in birmingham
hollow ibex
I have a 20 min auric duo HiSTG vod with 0 crushers
That seems a bit over nerfed
hollow ibex
Gonna be real I didn’t mind the crusher walls that much
tidal fox
35*
tidal fox
Gonna be real I didn’t mind the crusher walls that much
are you a psyker main
quiet lark
Gonna be real I didn’t mind the crusher walls that much
same tbh
somber axle
I don't even remember which enemies the nominalistic term "bruiser" refers to
these guys
verbal burrow
And Crusher conga lines coming towards me were also completely handle-able with Plasma Gun overcharge shots
somber axle
here's the link if you wanna look at enemies again
tidal fox
And Crusher conga lines coming towards me were also completely handle-able with ...
horribly ammo inefficient
I dont know when you last played
orchid hemlock
Please don't waste ammo on crushers
tidal fox
but now that is trolling
orchid hemlock
I can't take it anymore
tidal fox
revolver into crusher players rise up
orchid hemlock
verbal burrow
It's been a while, I was doing Arbites for a long while
tidal fox
yeah no dont try charge shooting into crusher conga line bro
quiet lark
Please don't waste ammo on crushers
message unclear taking my non-onslaught recon and only spraying crushers 👍
verbal burrow
yeah no dont try charge shooting into crusher conga line bro
So what do we do when those show up nowadays?
tall torrent
So what do we do when those show up nowadays?
Melee
verbal burrow
Do we still shit out a Krak grenade every minute?
tidal fox
So what do we do when those show up nowadays?
you activate your psword and swing at the heads
orchid hemlock
So what do we do when those show up nowadays?
Anything but range
tall torrent
Do we still shit out a Krak grenade every minute?
90s
somber axle
but we do still have really good grenade regen
tall torrent
But crushers are pretty rare now
verbal burrow
So we do still DIY our own grenades
somber axle
Demo Stockpile + Demo Team means you have Kraks whenever you need them
as long as you're not spamming them everytime they're up
and there aren't enough Crushers anymore to push you that far
tame lodge
So we do still DIY our own grenades
Yes we still Brick the grenades
verbal burrow
Still salty Helldivers can't make their own thermite stickies
Guess that just shows who the real vets are
tame lodge
hollow ibex
are you a psyker main
I haven’t touched psyker in months lol
I also haven’t touched the game in months
verbal burrow
Oh hell ye it still exists
tame lodge
It also got buffed right?
I remember this being only 10%
somber axle
Oh hell ye it still exists
Exe Stance got buffed a lot btw
if you've been gone a year
Exe Stance now lasts 6 sec by default, and 9 sec with Ogryns subnode
effectively infinite uptime
no longer drops when swapping melee
shrewd topaz
Where's the exe buff that gives helbore a sight
somber axle
and gives a good toughness regen
New Exe Stance + Born Leader + Confirmed Kill turns you into a toughness battery for your team
shrewd topaz
Wonder how funny exe stance would be if the insta swap was part of the buff
somber axle
Oh also we have Power Falchion now
It's not as good as Power Sword
but it's funny to play with a new weapon
somber axle
Wonder how funny exe stance would be if the insta swap was part of the buff
it used to instantly reload your weapon
boltgun being able to fully reload the clip right as you're going full auto into a boss face was funny
shrewd topaz
💀
verbal burrow
It's not as good as Power Sword
I don't think I've ever owned a power sword. My progression in terms of melee weapons on Veteran was basically Chainsword -> Rashad
I used to be really big on revving up and hitting a big bad on the head with it
somber axle
I don't think I've ever owned a power sword. My progression in terms of melee we...
Power Sword is definitely Vet's strongest melee weapon by a large margin. Rashad Combat Axe is definitely up there too though
I just don't like the gameplay loop of special block cancel light light light
it gets mind numbing after a while
verbal burrow
I prefer to just go for the headshots with the Rashad. That Power Sword combo doesn't sound like my kind of thing. And the dagger bleed build would give me RSI
verbal burrow
Any fun builds for these nowadays?
somber axle
oh right Infantry Lasguns got a buff too
but weird buffs
they have a lot more ammo now and a slight unyielding ADM buff
tidal fox
I despise how they made it so shit against flak
somber axle
it still has poor flak ADM and reverse damage falloff
tidal fox
stupid design choice
tidal fox
fun weapon to use too
somber axle
you can offset it a bit with Rending Strikes
verbal burrow
Lorewise lasguns are supposed to just delete unarmored and flak
As in melts through and causes steam explosions
somber axle
and if you go further there's that +15% rending from the Marksman's Focus subnode too
tidal fox
yeah lorewise 4 crackheads on the same team shouldnt beat a daemonhost either but here we are
verbal burrow
I vaguely remember something about rending and burn damage on the accatran via marksman?
somber axle
Yeah the Recons are still good weapons too
Dum Dum + Infernus
alternatively if you like the Recon Mk XIV you could go Dum Dum + Deathspitter
Recon Mk XIV Dum Dum + Deathspitter has base 3 cleave that gets increased by Deathspitter stacking 5 times and it goes further with Withering Fire
that combo can burn through mixed hordes a bit better
verbal burrow
This is what I ended up with after my last stint
somber axle
yeah that's about right
though I'd probably swap unarmoured to maniac, unyielding or crit chance
verbal burrow
Crit chance would be nice for getting ammo back yes
then I can brrt more
I think last I played, I had a toughness team support build, a melee build, and a brrt build
Maybe also a sharpshooter-esque plasma gunner build
somber axle
I made a goofy set up for the Recon Mk XII recently that was fun for casual Auric quickplay
verbal burrow
What was the name of that really rapid firing infantry lasgun that made the LMB finger hurt, btw?
oh it got changed to IIb
somber axle
Base Vet crit chance (10% crit) Deadshot (+25% crit) Reciprocity (+25% crit) Opening Salvo (+10% crit for first 20% of clip) Lock n Load (Clip size to 225) Shock Trooper (No ammo cost on crit) Crit Chance weapon perk (+5% crit) for a total of 75% crit chance when everything is rolling but if you have a Psyker with Prescience and/or a Hive Scum with Anarchist their auras give you another 5% crit chance each for a potential total of 85% crit chance
somber axle
What was the name of that really rapid firing infantry lasgun that made the LMB ...
Infantry Lasgun Mk IIb got some nice buffs to recoil
Feels a lot better now
verbal burrow
Do I read correctly that Only In Death Does Duty End no longer increases the cooldown on Voice of Command?
somber axle
Yeah that was another buff
verbal burrow
Oh my god I need to go shout at people right now
somber axle
No more CD increase on Revive Shout
But Voice of Command had the base CD increased from 30 to 40
It's not functionally infinite uptime anymore after the Tactical Awareness change too
But it's still a strong team support ability
verbal burrow
I mean, I also feed them Toughness via Covering Fire and Born Leader
gentle lake
Do I read correctly that Only In Death Does Duty End no longer increases the coo...
wait what
yeees
somber axle
Medic loadout is fun to play with
orchid hemlock
This is what I ended up with after my last stint
Collat is the dump for recon
verbal burrow
People shit on this harshly but if you get a group of melee zealots and you buff them with this, funny things transpire
A plasma round passing through a swarm will restore all their toughness to full
somber axle
Yeah it's not something people like for meta but it is a fun team support tool
orchid hemlock
I don't think that stacks
somber axle
If the buff affected Vet too people would take it always
Damage buff doesn't stack but toughness replenishment occurs per kill iirc
verbal burrow
I don't think that stacks
It does when the plasma round kills multiple, and restores 15% toughness for each one
orchid hemlock
It does when the plasma round kills multiple, and restores 15% toughness for eac...
Have you actually tested it?
I've never used it so I have no idea either
verbal burrow
I've been doing it since launch
orchid hemlock
I've been doing it since launch
No like a control test
Eyeballing in the middle of the game doesn't count
I never trust this game on anything
Plus you don't know if the replenishment is coming from somewhere else
vestal ravine
People shit on this harshly but if you get a group of melee zealots and you buff...
This is incredible, the only problem is the pathing. The weapons I like to run most does not allow me to pick it.
verbal burrow
The control test being people on voice chat reporting that they went from 0% toughness to full toughness the moment the plasma round cleaved through the horde of pox walkers that were eating them
vestal ravine
No like a control test
This is impossible to do.
somber axle
This is incredible, the only problem is the pathing. The weapons I like to run m...
It's at the top of the tree now
Like next to One Motion and Longshot
If you take Confirmed Kill it is one of 3 choices to go down
vestal ravine
It's at the top of the tree now
Point miser, like to play with shotgun, I NEED the reload speed.
orchid hemlock
This is impossible to do.
Uptime is a mod that should keep track of how much toughness you generate from the talent
somber axle
Point miser, like to play with shotgun, I NEED the reload speed.
That's fair
verbal burrow
I'm a masochist so I just use plasma gun without reload speed to save points for things that actually cause dopamine hits
vestal ravine
Uptime is a mod that should keep track of how much toughness you generate from t...
It does not, it tracks how many times it triggered. And a teamwide but you 15% is nothing to look down at.
orchid hemlock
The control test being people on voice chat reporting that they went from 0% tou...
That's not a control test
verbal burrow
ok
gentle lake
You can also just strategically reload
vestal ravine
What's funny for me is when I do test people shit on me because it's not gameplay, now we have another situation.
somber axle
I'm a masochist so I just use plasma gun without reload speed to save points for...
You can reload cancel to skip the reload phases and drastically shorten the reload
There's like 3 skips or something iirc
shrewd topaz
Can also just WS reload
vestal ravine
Someone is taking damage, You killed something they recover 15% toughness, simple as.
orchid hemlock
What's funny for me is when I do test people shit on me because it's not gamepla...
Who said that?
drowsy perch
boltgun being able to fully reload the clip right as you're going full auto into...
this is what i do with desperado and pbb
verbal burrow
You can reload cancel to skip the reload phases and drastically shorten the relo...
I could but masochism. I also reload the recoilless rifle the sexy way in HD2
somber axle
this is what i do with desperado and pbb
Those two abilities are very funny
shrewd topaz
But I forgor what they are since I almost never use plasma
1: equip hand cannon
drowsy perch
i always think exe reloads but it doesnt and then i have to waste time reloading
vestal ravine
Who said that?
Some guys when I was arguing about some psyker shenanigans.
somber axle
i always think exe reloads but it doesnt and then i have to waste time reloading
I just use weapons that don't care about reloading most times like Helbore and Recon with Shocktrooper and lots of crit
shrewd topaz
I just use weapons that don't care about reloading most times like Helbore and R...
Deadshot recon
It'll be funny trust
somber axle
Deadshot recon
Wdym I already do that hold on
Base Vet crit chance (10% crit) Deadshot (+25% crit) Reciprocity (+25% crit) Opening Salvo (+10% crit for first 20% of clip) Lock n Load (Clip size to 225) Shock Trooper (No ammo cost on crit) Crit Chance weapon perk (+5% crit) for a total of 75% crit chance when everything is rolling but if you have a Psyker with Prescience and/or a Hive Scum with Anarchist their auras give you another 5% crit chance each for a potential total of 85% crit chance
orchid hemlock
Deadshot recon
somber axle
This with the Recon Mk XII
For Auric quickplay it has been fun LOL
I wouldn't run it in Havoc
turbid ibex
it to my face
somber axle
I did run it in a few Auric Maelstroms too though
orchid hemlock
it to my face
Thank you
orchid hemlock
somber axle
Crit string of 2 makes it funnier
shrewd topaz
Mfw just worse gunker atp
orchid hemlock
Psyker will always be giga broken so why bother comparing?
tame lodge
Idk everything is better than ogryn guns nowadays
orchid hemlock
tame lodge
#buffOgrynGuns
orchid hemlock
#buffOgrynGuns
Fatshark will release 5 new classes before buffing Ogryn
gentle lake
next class^
shrewd topaz
Fatshark will release 5 new classes before buffing Ogryn
5 new hive scums*
That all get tree reworks after a month
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-1059753702...
AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
tame lodge
tidal fox
we will soon see a space marine neophyte as a new class
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-seishiro-nagi-nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-gif-1...
somber axle
tough nova
verbal burrow
I see psykers are still doing shield bubble + burning everything to death
tame lodge
tame lodge
Where's the exe buff that gives helbore a sight
You're just running the wrong fov
thats what fatshark doesnt want you to know about helbore
verbal burrow
It does look pretty good, and it would be another weapon to add to the collection
verbal burrow
5ish?
tall torrent
my favorite is mk4
I actually don't know what perks to run for it now
tame lodge
yeah
ive been thinking
theres no crushers for it
I guess I will just go Maniacs and hit 2k body damage
hyperbolicly
I think
I miss my crushers
tall torrent
I guess I will just go Maniacs and hit 2k body damage
I was legit considering 5% crit chance
tame lodge
what a level huh
tall torrent
what a level huh
Carapace only rly applies to 2 enemies
Maniac doesn’t change anything
Flak doesn’t change anything
Elite doesn’t change anything
Unarmored doesn’t change anything
tame lodge
another helbore w
as always
suffering from sucess
I'll just get 2 stam
💀
or sprint eff
tall torrent
I think just crit chance lol
tame lodge
What else is available for ranged weapons
Reload speed? For the infinite ammo weapon
tall torrent
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That’s why I’m thinking just crit chance
tall torrent
I'll just run Stamina
Helbore sprint is ass
tame lodge
But don't worry about it
I might run Deadshot too because why not
I got the stamina to spare
tall torrent
I got the stamina to spare
actually with crusher spawn reduced I think IIIa is best helbore now
lol
lunar maple
lean rune
can ranged weapons benefit from rending?
narrow frost
yes
tall torrent
https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-not-right-gif-14695153867752834726
it kind of is tho
shrewd topaz
3a hits 1 shot on everything else right
hollow ibex
it kind of is tho
Srry ig V is just 2 fast 4 u
tall torrent
Srry ig V is just 2 fast 4 u
V is alr
tall torrent
3a hits 1 shot on everything else right
except carapace enemies yea
shrewd topaz
Literally unusable
tall torrent
but IV doesn't 1 tap carapace enemies either
it can only do it on crit
to plasma gunner
mauler takes 2 (but usually comes in large waves which u can frag)
crusher takes 3 (but spawns way less)
shrewd topaz
This buffless or what