with things becoming more expensive
#veteran-class
unreal nova
Unless you are straight, young, can give birth to children.
Then govt will subsidies homes.
somber axle
that will put some houses back out there
unreal nova
GL when you are 60. You won't be pushing out 4 children.
So govt won't give a fuck about you.
somber axle
ugh I hate the generational trap of that stuff
have kids so your kids can have kids so you can have a multi-generational home that's sustained on having more kids
unreal nova
have kids so your kids can have kids so you can have a multi-generational home t...
Naw, is more govt are 'renting' homes to people. 99 years lease.
300 years for richer people.
Real landed ownership is for billionaires only.
The apartment/flat I'm in basically ends when I'm around 64?
But govt is known for buying back the flats about 5-10 years before it ends for a tiny fraction of what you spent to get it.
somber axle
it really feels like land ownership/home ownership is being pushed away from the average person more and more
when I visited a friend in Canada around Victoria it was the same way
unreal nova
Which in this age won't even buy you a flat the size of a toilet.
Ehm, rent you a flat the size of a toilet.
Not a billionaire so can't buy.
And mind you, is multi billionaire.
Think it's like 4 billion for landed last time I checked.
somber axle
idk I hope people eventually get upset enough to fight back against this awful system
all of this is so so wrong
and there are a lot less billionaires than there are people angry with them
unreal nova
all of this is so so wrong
But nobody cares. The only ones that can do anything are the rich with power, and guess what? They won't do anything that will damage their position.
Rich people are also more greedy and selfish.
Like, I know of someone who is kinda rich and they make the poor people pay for their drinks or they simply don't order so it looks awkward.
somber axle
But nobody cares. The only ones that can do anything are the rich with power, an...
I watched Angels of Death with friends tonight and the Magos had a funny quote that stuck with me
"In time the improbable becomes the inevitable."
I feel like this fits here too
However unlikely it seems that anyone will stand up
Given time
It becomes certain
It will happen
unreal nova
Because you'll be made to disappear if you stood up to say anything.
somber axle
History is written when there are too many people to disappear standing up together
unreal nova
But would you? Wouldn't you rather others sacrifice for the change with their lives?
somber axle
I think things will get better because people are mad now. When things get worse they will get more mad still. And it will go until it reaches a breaking point and they will tolerate it no further
somber axle
But would you? Wouldn't you rather others sacrifice for the change with their li...
I think I'd rather be standing with them
Not hiding behind them
unreal nova
People have been taking it for years. Is how prices went from $2 for a full meal to $20 for the same nowadays.
When mom was young, 60 cents would get a full meal.
A full GOOD meal.
somber axle
It's been a very slow and gradual change but people here have noticed and are angry about it and get angrier about it everyday
It's not forgotten
Not yet and hopefully not ever
and at least in the US I can always count on us being Orks
unreal nova
Even fucking instant noodles can cost $3 nowadays.
somber axle
people are going to get mad enough about it to fight over it eventually if it isn't fixed
all the smoke and mirrors trying to point us at each other are starting to fall apart
people all over are getting mad at very specific people
and that number is growing
unreal nova
all the smoke and mirrors trying to point us at each other are starting to fall ...
It's not right or left anymore. It's just poor and rich tbh.
somber axle
100% agreed
And the rich are starting to see the poor notice this is the real fight
And they are getting more and more nervous
And doing increasingly desperate and extreme things trying to take the attention away
and it isn't working
unreal nova
You can be poor on either side, and the rich are usually fucking you over to get more and more out from you till you are worth nothing and then cast aside.
somber axle
Yeah
I've kinda felt like all we can do is take care of each other and try to improve our lives in little ways while trying to organize to help improve things in big ways
unreal nova
Eh, guess we should stop before it spirals worse and someone takes offense out of context. Or just rant in DMs.
somber axle
That's fair
I guess the last thing is like
This year especially
I've learned to try to make little moments of joy happy with friends and family
No matter how bad it gets
Everyone needs a smile now and then
Everyone needs a laugh now and then
unreal nova
I've learned to try to make little moments of joy happy with friends and family
Should... Or you'll regret it when you no longer can.
unreal nova
No one's here forever
Even if they wanna be.
somber axle
I still laugh at the dumb billionares trying so desperately to make themselves live longer
unreal nova
Funniest part is, why hoard so much money when you can't even take it to hell.
Or whatever afterlife you believe in.
somber axle
like that one weirdo who was having his son's blood put into his body and then having doctors put up tests saying he has a healthy boner as his own desperate little attempt to pretend he's young and not a decrepit corpse man with stretched skin from cosmetic surgery
somber axle
Funniest part is, why hoard so much money when you can't even take it to hell.
they cling to life because they fear what comes after
if there's a hell they've bought a ticket there
and if there's not then nothing they did ever mattered
and both thoughts terrify them
unreal nova
they cling to life because they fear what comes after
Just nothingness, if I'm to be honest. How bodies work, you know.
somber axle
I think I'd be ok with nothingness
I can enjoy existence as is but permanent existence through whatever comes after would be too much I think
I would like to live long enough to see where games go
And maybe see if we get Sword Art Online style gaming
unreal nova
I can enjoy existence as is but permanent existence through whatever comes after...
Why with our current bodies... Most would go insane before long.
somber axle
I'll upload my old lady brain into a computer to play games if I have to
unreal nova
And maybe see if we get Sword Art Online style gaming
That's just VR but more... detailed.
somber axle
I just hope it gets here before I get old
unreal nova
I'll upload my old lady brain into a computer to play games if I have to
But is that you... Or just a copy of you?
somber axle
Depends on how it is done probably
unreal nova
Heh. Soma was a good horror game for that.
somber axle
I really loved Soma
Amazing horror game
Also I need to sleep for work tomorrow but it was good chatting with you!
unreal nova
Depends on how it is done probably
I don't think it matters. I think that copy of me would be very happy as I die out.
somber axle
I don't think it matters. I think that copy of me would be very happy as I die o...
That's a good way to look at it. I think the copy of me would be very happy, and I could be very happy for that me too
But also good night!
unreal nova
Also I need to sleep for work tomorrow but it was good chatting with you!
Ah, yeah, timezones. Heh. Well, good night then. See you in the morning(for you).
somber axle
clever flicker
Hi, aspiring veteran player here. Whats the verdict on the change to uncanny strike from bleeding to brittleness for some of veterans builds?
pseudo fiber
Hi, aspiring veteran player here. Whats the verdict on the change to uncanny str...
Definitely noticeable on bleed builds as you mentioned however Vet has enough base rending to be fine otherwise
clever flicker
Definitely noticeable on bleed builds as you mentioned however Vet has enough ba...
What should I use instead then on say the combat knife?
pseudo fiber
What should I use instead then on say the combat knife?
Funnily enough combat knife is fine with uncanny even with the changes
Knife has 0.61 ADM and with the 40 brittleness that's brought to 1.01 ADM which means you're doing full damage still
clever flicker
Damn thats actually really dope. Im trying to make a lasgun build that stacks bleed and burning on armored enemies so I had my blessing already planned out before the change hence the question
Would the chainsword be a good alternative? It has decent cleave and is already really good against single targets tho im not sure if it can fit into my desired build
clever flicker
What should I use on it to make it work? I've been loving it so far but on higher difficulties I begin having issues with horde clearing and it becoming only moderately effective against beefier single targets
shrewd topaz
Reject chainsword embrace axe
pseudo fiber
What should I use on it to make it work? I've been loving it so far but on highe...
Wrath, rampage/shred
Or Savage sweep if you're using the green one instead of wrath
clever flicker
Or Savage sweep if you're using the green one instead of wrath
Okay, thank you! 🤝
pastel yew
chainaxe my beloved
pastel yew
What should I use instead then on say the combat knife?
other forms of damage boosting still help grenade bleed afaik
anything that gives strength
for example, on the power sword
you'd be losing bm or sunder but idrk how much that matters when the weapons already that strong
I think the chainsword has this blessing too but idk, I dont use that weapon its stinky
wrath, slaughterer with serrated blades and frags could be fun though hmm
trim hemlock
anything that gives strength
It’s misleading, because not everything giving „strength” gives a generic power level increase, but Slaughterer is one of those buffs that do.
pastel yew
It’s misleading, because not everything giving „strength” gives a generic power ...
tooltips being misleading in darktide... I'm shocked
I didnt know that though ty
tough nova
I think its rampage shred for chsword
pastel yew
I thought all sources of strength did
trim hemlock
Headtaker for instance gives a melee power level boost only, which doesn’t translate to anything else but melee attacks 🤓
pastel yew
Headtaker for instance gives a melee power level boost only, which doesn’t trans...
weird, given other sources of specific strength are listed
iirc marksman gives specifically ranged strength
oh nope, no it doesnt
trim hemlock
Marksman is like weakspot power level increase IIRC, which works on both melee and ranged weakspot hits
The game is quite inconsistent in its use of keywords, in any case
turbid ibex
Marksman is like weakspot power level increase IIRC, which works on both melee a...
Its just +20% power on attacks that hit weakspots
dreamy spade
I'm just using smoke nades now
Also means I save a few points from nade talents because smokes only need regen
pastel yew
the smoke duration buff is quite nice in fairness for what its doing
I should run smokes more
dreamy spade
the smoke duration buff is quite nice in fairness for what its doing
Yeah but normally I have another when it runs out, or the enemies are all dead
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1c52377-4e29-4717-af5f-3511f1f22315/special-forces
This is what I run for havoc
turbid ibex
Born leader without exestance?
dreamy spade
I mean there's already plenty of toughness regen I get
turbid ibex
Not really enough without exestance
dreamy spade
It's also for cohency radius for focus target, voc and demonteam
dreamy spade
Not really enough without exestance
Confirmed kill stacks no? I get so much from that
hearty panther
it do
turbid ibex
Not really
You still have demolition team and less crushers means you wont need as many kraks over the course of a mission
tame lodge
Is the Krack nade nerf noticeable
Not really
The targets for it were reduced too so like
hearty panther
bleed is just as good if you never used uncanny with it
tame lodge
Bleed still the same cheap dot
That isn't particularly good considering all the available dots
turbid ibex
I heard it was getting buffed but it was really a nerf?
I dont remember any buffs to bleed
willow prairie
bleed got indirectly nerfed because uncanny
tame lodge
I dont remember any buffs to bleed
Because it didn't get buffed
willow prairie
but yeah it the same wo
willow prairie
You still have demolition team and less crushers means you wont need as many kra...
but i hate bulwark
turbid ibex
bleed got indirectly nerfed because uncanny
And also opportunist
willow prairie
opportunist is fine
turbid ibex
Yeah just pointing out its another way it got nerfed indirectly
desert viper
opportunist nerf on ogryn was a big shame
unreal nova
I heard it was getting buffed but it was really a nerf?
It got nerfed if you used uncanny with it and most did. Otherwise no real diff. It probs needed the buff more than soulblaze anyway but nope, given to soulblaze.
shrewd topaz
That isn't particularly good considering all the available dots
Me when soulblaze
turbid ibex
Me when tox
willow prairie
sb is broken because pc is broken
tame lodge
Me when soulblaze
Soulblaze base is the 3rd best dot
Once psyker gets his buffs up it's the second best dot
Now that toxin got nerfed
turbid ibex
Nah
tame lodge
I wonder if it still the best dot
shrewd topaz
Me when tox
We don't talk about tox
turbid ibex
I wonder if it still the best dot
It 100% still is
tame lodge
True
shrewd topaz
Actual criminal numbers
tame lodge
0.9 carapace adm because sonion
shrewd topaz
Aoe tox on stim pistol because yes
pastel yew
Is the Krack nade nerf noticeable
not much of a nerf given you get less of them but also the primary enemy you're trying to kill with them also got reduced. Really it was just an adjustment so they didnt get buffed by system changes, they're barely any weaker.
crushers reduced by roughly 1/3, cooldown increased by roughly 50%. they counter eachother out if all you were killing with them was crushers
66% as many crushers as prepatch, 66% as many krak grenades
turbid ibex
66% as many crushers as prepatch, 66% as many krak grenades
Also this doesnt consider demo team
pastel yew
mhm and that likely more than makes up the grenades you lost that would be going to other things
its good that they changed it else kraks would be even more silly
steep flower
not much of a nerf given you get less of them but also the primary enemy you're ...
You use them for bosses too
By that merrit kraks got a buff cause less targets in a form of crushers
🤔 🤔 🤔
tidal fox
funny how most weapons for vets melee viability are held up by kraks
its like that one meme
where there's a stick holding up everything
next ridge
Hi . Is there a way to get firing down range penance faster? I have done 80 matches and only have 30 “fown range “ kills. The same thing with adept assasin
Its the last two i need for beteran
distant plaza
I imagine you could really rack up the kills with an accurate, long range weapon and expeditions
pastel yew
funny how most weapons for vets melee viability are held up by kraks
huh?
I don't really think thats true
pastel yew
You use them for bosses too
By that merrit kraks got a buff cause less targets i...
true though they're infrequent spawns, kinda makes me wonder if people don't adjust their builds much around decreased spawn rates its also less relevant for you to need to kill crushers which would also make em a bit better
pastel yew
I imagine you could really rack up the kills with an accurate, long range weapon...
from what I've heard lasgun actually kicks ass in expeditions because its pretty well suited to the terrain
not that I'd know, I don't play that mode but sounds accurate enough on its face
distant plaza
Why lasgun when helbore exists? 
distant plaza
It’s been a while since I’ve used anything but the DB tbh
But I get you
pastel yew
they feel very different as weapons, ilas is also far more iconic
distant plaza
why any melee weapon when power sword exists
No concrete boots
unreal nova
not that I'd know, I don't play that mode but sounds accurate enough on its face
For awhile. Is large enough but you get karked when events make things mid or close range.
pastel yew
No concrete boots <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I love my concrete boots, I love my awful dodge count 
also not gonna lie I've been trying more and more of the power falchion just to see if I didnt give it a fair try and
people saying this weapon is less cumbersome and awkward than the regular powersword are tripping
it is an improvement but its still weird and janky
better defence for sure though, but eh... hardly the thing most people complained about
distant plaza
I love my concrete boots, I love my awful dodge count <:ChaosSmokin:920489001113...
I think it’s time I give the power sword another go…in malice/heresy
Gods I suck with that weapon
pastel yew
its not so much more difficult to stay safe with just a lot more punishing
plasma gun changes are nice though, even though thats old news at this point the weapon feels more interesting to engage with even if the wall pen feels kinda jank
distant plaza
people saying this weapon is less cumbersome and awkward than the regular powers...
How so?
pastel yew
How so?
you're still having to activate and deactivate the weapon frequently
the most awkward time to need to have your weapon active is that first swing, which is still an issue for the falchion
after you're already swinging activating it isn't remotely a problem
the falchion then also brings a new element of needing you to deactivate it to avoid wasting charge
its not much of an improvement there
distant plaza
Isn’t there a blessing that cuts down on lockout state by like, 25%?
next ridge
why any melee weapon when power sword exists
Its for a ranged kill penance
hearty panther
you dont gotta deactivate the power weapons
just QQ and its done
i cant recall the last time i saw the power off animation tbh
pastel yew
just QQ and its done
hmmm okay, I'll give that a go
either way, I dunno the weapon feels kinda ehh
its blessing pool is also omega boring
hearty panther
yea thats cause its in the dictionary under mid
pastel yew
yea thats cause its in the dictionary under mid
glad we didnt have to wait long for it
hearty panther
i have fun enough with it but yeah
wont see me take it into a game i am trying to win
pastel yew
I wouldnt really mind it not being great if it had something interesting to it
I think the only attack in its moveset I actually like is its light 3, the quick stab
pastel yew
I've not tried the blessing that makes it explode
feels like that could be fun but I can guarantee the numbers on it are awful
an increase to the kinda awkwardness of it as well is that its horde clear after activation is a fair bit slower
your wide attacks with that mk start light light heavy, rather than just being able to straight heavy the once
dreamy spade
I don't like the way falcion and relic blade work, I much prefer the power weapons like crusher and ps, because it's more in your control
hollow ibex
At least relic blade is usable when it’s off lol
tall torrent
I've not tried the blessing that makes it explode
overload is very good and criminally underappreciated
because the explosion's stagger breakpoints are actually really good: it can stagger mauler, bulwark and both ragers
pastel yew
overload is very good and criminally underappreciated
holy shit... a gimick blessing that has a fun premise that doesnt get dragged into the shit by having awful numbers?
tall torrent
it's also better at reducing activation downtime than people think
it says -25% heat but because of the way heat dissipation rate changes based on how much heat there is, it's practically closer to 32~33% less downtime
willow prairie
how will this affect cranial grounding legacy
tall torrent
holy shit... a gimick blessing that has a fun premise that doesnt get dragged in...
it's just functionally quite good
pastel yew
I'll give it a go in that case, as it does seem fun
willow prairie
unpowered relic without wrath is torture to me
pastel yew
also skulls announcement had a teaser for darktide
hollow ibex
because the explosion's stagger breakpoints are actually really good: it can sta...
lol I assumed it was just a fart
pastel yew
a flash of blue! wwow
willow prairie
arc rifle
pastel yew
that was my thinking yeah
tall torrent
I'll give it a go in that case, as it does seem fun
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1471377062584647734/1016CD1.MP4?ex=6a055d2c&is=6a040bac&hm=e5a7037c3d5ab41c6be2840ab9995d8b2a497303bf60e65c149b18f0b4ee7329&
without overload I get combo'd by ragers here
pastel yew
its not playing for me, strange
ah thats cool
how big does the radius end up being vaguely?
I wonder if lethal prox makes it bigger or if its tracked differently
pastel yew
hadrons gonna be pissed if we lose that little fucker...
analog mural
Obviously it's a rogue trader class
pastel yew
the first one has been sitting in my library.... forever
I really need to actually go play it
rogue trader crew as a class would be cool
it was one of the backgrounds from dark heresy 2e
real ones know the class after this is administratum clerk though
analog mural
Ah yes, we need an HR manager class for the mourning star
willow prairie
WE GET TO PLAY AS RANNIK
source?
jagged fable
My beloved told me
cunning haven
volley gun
tame lodge
real ones know the class after this is administratum clerk though
True
And one of his talents is to "requisition"
So he generates Ammo Crate
Medpack
And stimms
Every now and then
analog mural
Talent title: the tithe
pastel yew
gets access to all the class unique weapons
and then through fatshark balance uses them better than all of them
serene bough
Guys what might the class be related too
Clearly were being teased for playable kroot
grand perch
nah their equipment is umgak
haughty needle
votann mercenary company called "Deep rock galactic"
Rock... and stone?
turbid ibex
Rock... and stone?
haughty needle
Oh boy, rogue core only a week away
tame lodge
Can you believe it
haughty needle
not really
tall torrent
servo skull ability
blue in the back is probably plasma shot's explosion
or arc weaponry
tame lodge
She arc on my servo till I 💀
pseudo fiber
servo skull ability
blue in the back is probably plasma shot's explosion
Arc 100%
tidal moon
Hey all. A quick question to fellow Vet mains in here.
If I have Desperado on a ranged weapon, and Riposte on a melee weapon, do you get both crit procs on dodges and double your crit? I have the Enhanced Descriptions mod and it doesn't say anything about either being specific to only ranged or melee. I don't know if it's just general crit chance.
quiet lark
Hey all. A quick question to fellow Vet mains in here.
If I have Desperado on a...
no the crit only applies for the respective weapon that's activated
tall torrent
Hey all. A quick question to fellow Vet mains in here.
If I have Desperado on a...
desperado can only be activated while ranged weapon is in hand
riposte can only be activated while melee weapon is in hand
u cannot have both ranged and melee weapon in hand so u can't activate both at the same time
even if u activate one then swap and activate the other
tall torrent
the bonuses from both only apply while the respective weapon is in hand
hearty panther
so what if .........
midnight wyvern
so what if .........
calm down slaneesh
dreamy spade
Guys what might the class be related too
Admech
tame lodge
so what if .........
I'm all ears
hearty panther
is no respite still farked
tidal fox
what will they introduce after admech is the question
hearty panther
felinids
tidal fox
the spacemarines will arrive I am certain
quiet lark
is no respite still farked
i believe so
narrow frost
is no respite still farked
anything in Kuli guide?
quiet lark
anything in Kuli guide?
kuli guide still says it's bugged
narrow frost
Then thats the answer
tame lodge
what will they introduce after admech is the question
Administratum Clerk
His main ability is to "requisition"
So he generates ammo crates, med packs and Stimms every now and then
tidal fox
now what would a clerk do to become a reject
tame lodge
Grenade pickups too
pseudo fiber
now what would a clerk do to become a reject
they aren't all rejects now
tidal fox
yeah ik
"Morrow we're sending you an untrained fucking clerk from the administratum teach him how to hold a gun"
tidal fox
when are we getting a hive civilian class
tame lodge
Yeah this noble fucked up so we're sending some fuck to try and take the blame so the Arbites get him
tame lodge
when are we getting a hive civilian class
Their lines will be
"Maggots under my skin"
And
"meat meat"
And my personal favorite
"rise rise rise rise"
finite glacier
Is uncanny still worth using for the shovel? Or would it be better to use something else
hearty panther
yea i do skrusher deci
the power spike you get when skrusher actually procs is almost aggravating at times cause youll need like eight swings to kill a Rager or w/e but if he's already staggered from something else he'll just drop in like three
i actually have trouble reading my fight path
gentle rapids
Rending Strikes or Serrated Blade for this extra point I have?
oooo maybe extra ranged cleave for funny shotgun loadout
latent star
If you're doing cleave on crit the +cleave node is wasted.
tame lodge
Rending Strikes is often weapon dependant
gentle rapids
mk13 chainsword in this case
tame lodge
mk13 chainsword in this case
Helps with maniacs but that's pretty much it
Iirc
Or like carapace too but
Eh
dreamy spade
- doesn't stay inside my smoke nades
- instead runs in front of 1000 gunners
- blames me for not killing all ranged on the map while I have ragers on me
void dragon
- doesn't stay inside my smoke nades
- instead runs in front of 1000 gunners
- b...
Melee morons not staying in smoke nades where you can see enemies and not care for gunner gauntlets? Must be your average reject.
hearty panther
Fact
im always horribly aghast when i quickplay into a mission and there are no veterans and we all die to uncounterable ranged fire, why fatshark why
if only there was some sort of evasive counterplay
unreal nova
if only there was some sort of evasive counterplay
They just playing 500 ping. No counter then, obviously.
hollow ibex
im always horribly aghast when i quickplay into a mission and there are no veter...
Man I sure wished we had a weapon slot that could allow us to strike enemies from afar
worldly plover
Man I sure wished we had a weapon slot that could allow us to strike enemies fro...
its called a blitz
hollow ibex
shrewd topaz
its called a blitz
Me when I just start throwing kraks at random shit because I keep rolling the 5%
tame lodge
What your class says about yourself
Veteran: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
Zealot: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
Psyker: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
Ogryn: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
Arbites: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
Hive Scum: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
slow sky
what the fuck is a ranged weapon
tidal fox
I am the ranged class. There is no other class with a gun. Only I have a gun. I will shoot this gun. I will care for this gun. I will love this gun. This is the only gun. I am the ranged class.
stuck gorge
Hive Scum: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
why is your hivescum different than mine, i only have a ranged weapon slot, what the fuck is a melee weapon
tame lodge
Melee scum is also cracked af
hybrid plover
Melee scum is also cracked af
Water is wet.
hybrid plover
This scene is so dumb.
worldly plover
Ogryn: what the fuck is a ranged weapon
its a spherical formation derived from the earth, also known as a rock
tidal fox
what's a sphere sah
unreal nova
what's a sphere sah
Your best friend that wants to make more friends.
slow spade
smh trying to explain things to an ogryn
unreal nova
smh trying to explain things to an ogryn
Is like explaining to kids before everyone had AI and Youtube babysit them. I got used to it.
fading yarrow
This scene is so dumb.
🫵
May I have your Heavy Sword build please
With a name like that I can't help but imagine it'd be fun
hybrid plover
For what class?
fading yarrow
Either Vet or Zealot
hybrid plover
I'll give you my hsword zarona build. When I get home because gameslantern on mobile sucks
fading yarrow
Alrighty, thank ye kindly 
hybrid plover
Alrighty, thank ye kindly <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1c63b01-f472-4cb2-8d0f-2292b5cb6e93/cowboy-vet-5 okay I managed it
fading yarrow
Excellent. Thank ye again
hybrid plover
Honestly though, I do prefer it on zealot or scum
So I can try to make my zealot build too.
fading yarrow
T'would be appreciated, I'd like to get a feel for it on Zealot too
Basically just trying to give the HSword a second chance in general after being disappointed with it maybe two years ago
hybrid plover
It's still not gonna be like, crazy against carapace obviously but I've been personally enjoying it a lot
Evidently
But yeah for that build I don't even bother trying to force it to be good for cara
unreal nova
I'll give you my hsword zarona build. When I get home because gameslantern on mo...
The actual build editor isn't that bad tbh.
hybrid plover
The actual build editor isn't that bad tbh.
It's not. It's just not great for phones.
unreal nova
The viewing of builds is actual dog though on mobile.
hybrid plover
Sometimes it just won't even load the page
unreal nova
Sometimes it just won't even load the page
Because of cloudflare protection.
You can get silently stuck on it.
And mobiles just blep.
tidal fox
this is the best roll for taxe ya?
hollow ibex
Yup
shrewd topaz
61 jumpscare
tidal fox
67
drowsy perch
this is the best roll for taxe ya?
how u have all 80 and a 61
tidal fox
sire melk has his ways idfk
shrewd topaz
how u have all 80 and a 61
Hidden decimals go brrrr
graceful holly
When would I want to use the Infantry Lasgun vs the Laspistol as vet?
unreal nova
When would I want to use the Infantry Lasgun vs the Laspistol as vet?
If you REALLY like playing expeditions.
Because certain parts of the map, you can take advantage of the reverse falloff.
unreal nova
Yes.
You can totally use it in normal play, but then you are basically heavily compensating with actual skill.
graceful holly
its not that the lasgun feels weak really, its just the laspistol crits are just stronger
so i didnt know if i was really missing anything
also i really don't like the lasgun (darktide really) sights since they kinda teleport back in place and aren't aligned after 1 shot
unreal nova
Naw, it just needs more oomph considering reverse falloff is stupid in a horde shooter.
graceful holly
hows the shovel after the compensation buffs?
pseudo fiber
As middling as ever
unreal nova
Either worse or no change depending on if you used uncanny to buff bleed or not.
pseudo fiber
It's still fine enough to be used in any content
quiet lark
When would I want to use the Infantry Lasgun vs the Laspistol as vet?
the ilas is better at longer ranges. the ilas is a pretty mid / okay weapon in general so i feel like it comes more to game feel and preference if you wanna run it tbh.
void elk
laspistol is just, all things considered, a more versatile and mobile weapon
remote idol
When would I want to use the Infantry Lasgun vs the Laspistol as vet?
I only use the infantry lasgun in Expeditions. You have the range and the ability to use it effectively; otherwise, the laser pistol has more mobility and versatility.
quaint marsh
I will say that I noticed an uptick in special spawns post update imo, but yeah big skill issues lol. Nothing that can't be dealt with by proper movement and target priority, not to mention sheer damage output.
pseudo fiber
Unplayability
tall torrent
surge might be broken again
pseudo fiber
surge might be broken again
Based on one reddit post?
tall torrent
Based on one reddit post?
no based on the games I played
turbid ibex
no based on the games I played
Path did u see overblast got nerfed
tall torrent
Path did u see overblast got nerfed
yea
turbid ibex
Huge
unreal nova
Boyo is clearly unaware it can be worse than that (havoc)
Not really. Still have not seen 4 trappers at once there yet. 3 and 1 right after the first 3.
steep flower
Not really. Still have not seen 4 trappers at once there yet. 3 and 1 right afte...
I saw 4 flamers & bombers
Dreadful
unreal nova
I saw 4 flamers & bombers
This is now common on normal missions at times.
Inf fartbombs.
pastel yew
wrong quote respond, whoops
open ravine
Pulling shit from last year
pastel yew
straight up
not sure why I was so far up the chat
must have been searching for something last time I was in here
open ravine
Back when the vet was abused
pseudo fiber
must have been searching for something last time I was in here
Blackmail attempts
pastel yew
Blackmail attempts
too innocent for such I swear, dont ask anyone
also the "new" boltgun mark actually
kinda fucks.... to think I disrespected it so
it feels so much more snappy and responsive
not needing to ads is great.. no stupid recoil bug that remains in game
open ravine
also the "new" boltgun mark actually
I love it on arbites
tame lodge
It's the new bolt Pistol that you should disrespect
open ravine
It synergies so well with his tree
pastel yew
It's the new bolt Pistol that you should disrespect
I've not tried it and dont see much reason to tbh
the handling on the boltpistol was already really good
the increased explosive radius on the shells I have basically not noticed
strange gimick
open ravine
the increased explosive radius on the shells I have basically not noticed
It staggers more enemies
pastel yew
It staggers more enemies
yeah though the fantasy with bolt weapons is more exploding them than knocking them about
open ravine
Its really good with arbites as you build up his stager purple node really quick
pastel yew
the skirmisher changes are nice too, even if they've got me moving like I'm on crack
open ravine
yeah though the fantasy with bolt weapons is more exploding them than knocking t...
Just throw bleed on it with the vet to turn it into a bleed grenade launcher
fading yarrow
Does the new boltgun still explode enemies on direct hit? Can't remember
pastel yew
Just throw bleed on it with the vet to turn it into a bleed grenade launcher
I have yeh, puncture and pinning fire I assumed would be the blessings of choice
normally I take the stacking crit blessing because full auto funny but its not really as fun on this mk
pastel yew
Does the new boltgun still explode enemies on direct hit? Can't remember
they all do
after 5m
or whatever the priming range is
tame lodge
Does the new boltgun still explode enemies on direct hit? Can't remember
And indirect (depending on the target)
pastel yew
unless you have lethal prox on the bolt pistol
pastel yew
is that modded gore...
tame lodge
is that modded gore...
No that's DT gore
pastel yew
wack
pastel yew
Just throw bleed on it with the vet to turn it into a bleed grenade launcher
I will say on this I dont think the explosion applies puncture
unfortunately
direct hit only I think
tame lodge
A crit shot from shotgun also turns them into mist
pastel yew
I'd honestly not noticed it pasting random scrubby enemies but
I'm basically never firing it near them
mostly at elites as they spawn far out
with exec stance the hipfire accuracy on that things nuts
open ravine
I will say on this I dont think the explosion applies puncture
It does they just nuked bleed duration
fading yarrow
Cring
unreal nova
the handling on the boltpistol was already really good
The new mark can be rapidly fired without issue compared to the og.
That's about it.
It loses in damage and ammo pool.
pastel yew
It does they just nuked bleed duration
im testing it in the range
unreal nova
It also has better stagger right?
Technically, if you wanna shoot hordes.
turbid ibex
The aoe doesnt apply bleed
unreal nova
its not applying bleed at all?
Need puncture and direct hit.
pastel yew
The new mark can be rapidly fired without issue compared to the og.
ah I was basically never ads with the bolt pistol anyhow
turbid ibex
Only direct hits
pastel yew
Need puncture and direct hit.
mhm thats what I had said, though was told otherwise so went to test
unreal nova
ah I was basically never ads with the bolt pistol anyhow
Both hip and ads.
New mark is better with handling.
turbid ibex
Technically, if you wanna shoot hordes.
Or grouped up ranged enemies
unreal nova
But is it worth the possible breakpoint loss? Dunno.
pastel yew
I still dont really get why it gets less total ammo
when it already does less per shot damage, weird
unreal nova
I still dont really get why it gets less total ammo
They should have either gone for less ammo or less damage.
pastel yew
I mean thats how it normally goes
per shot damage scaling inversely against ammo capacity and fire rate
unreal nova
Fair trade for actually better handling. But not both.
pastel yew
except with the boltgun one gets more damage and more ammo
turbid ibex
I still dont really get why it gets less total ammo
Prob because of the aoe
unreal nova
except with the boltgun one gets more damage and more ammo
No?
The old mark hits harder.
open ravine
The aoe doesnt apply bleed
When did they Nerf AOE bleed on bolter
pastel yew
The old mark hits harder.
yes and gets more ammo
unreal nova
Just shoots twice per hip trigger pull
pastel yew
tall torrent
When did they Nerf AOE bleed on bolter
it never applied puncture in AOE
unreal nova
IIb is the og.
pastel yew
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
yess
thats what I'm saying
the original both does MORE per shot damage and gets MORE reserve ammo
usually that relationship goes the other way
more per shot damage, less reserve ammo
unreal nova
usually that relationship goes the other way
Thing is, the new mark has better handling for both bolter and bistol.
Just, too nerfed compared.
The AoE boom damage tickles uprising hordes.
Let alone auric.
pastel yew
Thing is, the new mark has better handling for both bolter and bistol.
it feels like a nice middle point since you lose your mobility that the bistol brings but it is nice
idk the extra aoe on the shells matters 0% to me I've not even noticed it
its all the increase in handling
my point is that it would have been nice to not take an ammo hit along with a damage hit when typically thats not how weapons get balanced out
unreal nova
my point is that it would have been nice to not take an ammo hit along with a da...
I know, it should get hit only one way or the other.
As a trade for better handling.
Right now, feels like mark is for newbies starting to play since damage blep.
pastel yew
kinda one of those things though that even if its sorta mechanically worse, the regular boltguns so fucking stupid
it doesn't much matter
unreal nova
kinda one of those things though that even if its sorta mechanically worse, the ...
Is just bolter tbh.
surreal rune
i don't understand the ammo nerf for the bolter mark
unreal nova
The bistol is extremely sad and needs a buff.
unreal nova
but the ammo is the real issue
I mean, trading damage for handling is fine.
You kick less because each shot has less power behind.
Pretty logical.
Don't think it'll change mag size.
tame lodge
Fatshark doesn't want you to shoot your weapon dawg
(It's definitely because of the AoE)
unreal nova
Fatshark doesn't want you to shoot your weapon dawg
(It's definitely because of...
That does nothing really.
tame lodge
They don't want you to use it as accessible horde clearing
turbid ibex
+137
tame lodge
It glows
pastel yew
spending ammo to gut your teams toughness regen
tame lodge
tame lodge
spending ammo to gut your teams toughness regen
Good enough
Welcome back coruscation staff
unreal nova
spending ammo to gut your teams toughness regen
Unless they are getting ganged on upon by a rager swarm.
Then please mag dump.
pastel yew
I really dont think its "horde clear" is remotely impressive even if it had more ammo I'd never use it on that
at best I'd use it for a single shot stagger
but like, that's not horde clear and thats all the bolt weapons
tame lodge
50 enemies killed in 3 shots
pastel yew
Unless they are getting ganged on upon by a rager swarm.
yeah but the aoe isnt killing ragers
tame lodge
unreal nova
yeah but the aoe isnt killing ragers
Maybe stagger?
pastel yew
50 enemies killed in 3 shots
they're not enemies they're mobile toughness regen
they also have very low health
unreal nova
Dunno how strong the bolter mark stagger is.
surreal rune
its okay for maybe killing gunner horde
pastel yew
Yes
Those are horde enemies
yeah but who in their right mind is measuring hordeclear on that enemy type
killing them does not matter, and is often worse than not killing them
pastel yew
I'm so unsure if I'm being baited and I'm too autistic to see it, or am struggling to get my point across
tame lodge
And still
Fatshark doesn't want you to clear hordes with a gun
So any gun with a modicum of horde clearing
turbid ibex
yeah but who in their right mind is measuring hordeclear on that enemy type
You are🫵
tame lodge
Gets their ammo shafted
unreal nova
killing them does not matter, and is often worse than not killing them
Depends on the player skill tbh. You might be better off nuking if it's a real bad player.
tame lodge
From Rumbler to Double Barrel
pastel yew
Depends on the player skill tbh. You might be better off nuking if it's a real b...
surely even then
how are they going to regen toughness if they're already struggling they're probably not reading their talents
unreal nova
surely even then
I have seen ppl die to 2 groaners.
unreal nova
its bleak out there I guess
It is. If it were a horde, is one thing. You get stuck with a bad build and a badly made knife, you will take some time to chew through a massive horde and if they are bad, will take alot of chip damage.
But 2.
I dunno.
Bonus? 2 people went down to those two groaners.
pastel yew
Bonus? 2 people went down to those two groaners.
maybe they were just really stacked groaners
nurgles greatest
tame lodge
I have seen ppl die to 2 groaners.
Groaners are scary
Cuts to Fatshark metric about it being the deadliest enemy
💀
pastel yew
Groaners are scary
*Cuts to Fatshark metric about it being the deadliest enemy*
tell me this isnt true...
pastel yew
I think some people are just playing a different game to me
I think the only time a groaner has proven to be even remotely threatening is in their potential to break your guard if you block with 0 stam like an idiot
and even then thats reliant on something genuinely threatening being there
is this deadliest in terms of like, most kills on players or most damage dealt
doesnt say.. damn
most played class veteran... top weapons by kills all non veteran weapons
wild
fading yarrow
Tfw one Groaner survives the culling so you turn around and get downed by one swing when you're at 80 toughness and 95 hp
tame lodge
What
unreal nova
most played class veteran... top weapons by kills all non veteran weapons
Arby was massively op lul then got nerfed to mediocrity.
fading yarrow
Schizophrenia?
tame lodge
Fuck you Hadron
pastel yew
I mean if they're meant to be a tank class, they shouldnt also deal insane damage
unreal nova
is it mediocrity?
It is atm. The most balanced class even.
surreal rune
i feel that arbites and zealot got a little shafted
pastel yew
has their stagger ben nerfed?
unreal nova
Which is funny as heck.
surreal rune
maybe zealot a lot but
unreal nova
has their stagger ben nerfed?
Still works. But is all they have so...
tame lodge
Zealot still thrives on "zealot does zealot things"
pastel yew
bleak
tame lodge
So zealot ends up surviving every balance patch
pastel yew
zealot will always be relevant because they have throwing knives and throwing knives are cool
though they do also get some fucking stupid weapons of their own
the power greatswords nuts
pastel yew
classes to me feel feel like they're more carried by their unique weapons than anything else
a lot of the shared pool looks and feels extremely limp by comparison
outside of a few notable examples
unreal nova
outside of a few notable examples
Vraks IAG lul.
pastel yew
Vraks IAG lul.
yeah exactly
somber axle
Fuck you Hadron
is this real
pastel yew
laspistol also generally holds up across multiple classes
never the best option but always at least good
fading yarrow
Fuck you Hadron
Man I always forget how crazy Arbites was(is); most-played class was Veteran and yet Arbites was racking up the most melee kills. Then again, with the average playtime being less than 30 hours maybe all those Vets were just new players who fell off
tame lodge
Hadron bitch ass didn't like me forwarding it to vet chat so I had to download it
pastel yew
also I mean these two things might be connected
hearty panther
rannick really let go
tame lodge
Lmao
unreal nova
never the best option but always at least good
Naw, pretty good for psyker lul.
pastel yew
Naw, pretty good for psyker lul.
yeah but its not the best psyker option
unreal nova
Meleeker sidearm.
pastel yew
ahhh
pastel yew
okay then it might be, I guess you'd want the move speed and easy draw
surreal rune
controlling hordes is a learned skill
unreal nova
_genuinely how_
Play malice.
pastel yew
I was thinking raw numbers as usually the iauto wins out
surreal rune
and ping dependent
unreal nova
You end up soloing.
somber axle
Play malice.
are people really out here dying to groaners
surreal rune
also theyre the chaff you least expect
pastel yew
again, I say perhaps these two are linked
unreal nova
and ping dependent
I am on 300 ping when I saw those two die.
pastel yew
if the average play time has been dragged that low
there will be a SHITLOAD of players sub 10 hour playtime
fading yarrow
_genuinely how_
Havoc, to a lesser extent Auric
pastel yew
that are all likely dying or taking damage to groaners
unreal nova
and ping dependent
On low diff, ping matters less cos everything hits less and such.
fading yarrow
If I had a nickel for every mission I've seen end because a groaner snuck up and inaudibly one-tapped someone from behind I'd have quite a great many nickels indeed
unreal nova
So watching 2 ppl die from the same 2 groaners... well, 2 smykers with 5 wounds.
I'm on hive scum on 300 ping, the other was a zealot just looting salvage.
So off on the other end of the map.
open ravine
_genuinely how_
Trappers
unreal nova
Recently had an oggy join and die almost immediately so I had to kite 2 bosses till I can circle to the rescue to get everyone up.
surreal rune
i feel there are a lot of mechanics that people take for granted in the game as though they are easily or readily explained
unreal nova
enemies stop attacking usually when you get netted or dogged
Not net.
somber axle
the only enemy type I see that will consistently attack someone who is netted/dogged is the flamer
unreal nova
Dog, yes.
unreal nova
gunners do it often right
Anything will still hit a netted target.
somber axle
So watching 2 ppl die from the same 2 groaners... well, 2 smykers with 5 wounds.
Smykers dying to the single groaner behind them in droves to push up the statistic of Groaner as the most lethal enemy
unreal nova
Dogs tend to stop unless already in atk animation sometimes.
tame lodge
Groaners are just kill stealers 
rotund heart
gunners do it often right
Reapers don't.
surreal rune
Reapers don't.
they do though
rotund heart
The moment they are locked on you they will keep shooting whether it's a monstrosity or a mutant.
surreal rune
ah
rotund heart
Their bullets also don't come out where you expect.
So if you think you're horizontal to it and can avoid their spray
nope
somber axle
Groaners are just kill stealers <:bigbrain:808615471809036329>
this is the only way I can imagine why they're the most lethal somehow
they're just very frequently getting the last hit
surely there's not like
thousands of Space Marine 2 players flooding into Malice and yelling "BROTHERS I AM PINNED HERE" after getting downed by 3 groaners??
that's insane
rotund heart
Melee also works on a sort of lock on and tracking
If you're fast enough you can disable the lock on and tracking by just sprinting
But if not, that's what dodge does, 'disables' the lock on and tracking
Hence why things will heat seeking missile hit you like a crusher on stairs
Never fight a crusher on an incline
pseudo fiber
the only enemy type I see that will consistently attack someone who is netted/do...
Flamers seeing a netted reject
somber axle
Flamers seeing a netted reject
did you see this like LMFAO
someone posted this in Vet chat a while ago
the flamer at the end gets me every time
pseudo fiber
LMFAO
tough nova
That guy got fucken bullied
pastel yew
the fucking shotgunner skeet shooting is so funny
steep flower
the fucking shotgunner skeet shooting is so funny
I have a better one of that btw
pastel yew
I have a better one of that btw
steep flower
Like an actual kino moment
steep flower
https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478
Once i return home
trim badger
_genuinely how_
Wdym "how"
Have you ever seen a streamer try darktide?
They don't block
They don't Dodge
somber axle
gaming journalist gameplay
trim badger
They try to run away with a horde hitting them
And don't look back, all while still being hit by that same horde
trim badger
gaming journalist gameplay
This is just normal in Malice
rare hawk
I'm newer to playing veteran, but are those sapper shovel buffs gonna make any difference?
tame lodge
analog mural
Yep
rare hawk
Sapper shovel slowly becoming meta XD
(I know it isn't since knife and power sword exist but still)
pastel yew
Once i return home
yip yip
turbid ibex
I'm newer to playing veteran, but are those sapper shovel buffs gonna make any d...
its still mid
turbid ibex
theyre slightly better
tame lodge
So their main build is now bleh
pastel yew
it didnt look like the strength increase would be enough to build over them losing uncanny
surreal rune
bleed shovel was decent but
serene bough
bleed shovel was decent but
Shovel was always just an uncanny stick
Was always pretty mediocre
Idk how its changed since the recent patch but id wager not that great still
devout owl
This might be a poopoo question but does anyone have a giga havoc build for combat blade/stub revolver
midnight totem
Revolver is, sadly inadequate for high havoc, imho
narrow widget
does good damage but the ammo economy is a bit not there
esp when you're also working with knoife so you have like no horde control other than like frags
trim badger
Revolver is, sadly inadequate for high havoc, imho
It's just plasma with less ammo
It's not that bad
Zarona at least is not bad
trim badger
esp when you're also working with knoife so you have like no horde control other...
"no horde control" watch me
Slashes everything
devout owl
🤔
midnight totem
It's just plasma with less ammo
Exactly. In high havoc where ammo is limited to begin with?
trim badger
Exactly. In high havoc where ammo is limited to begin with?
Ok I you do have survivalist tho
fair shale
devout owl
What about talent tho 🤔
Assuming uncanny/mercy killer is probs decent
With serrated blade
Starting to get into havoc im not sure if im just giga bad (probably the case) or bad build or teammates or all of the above
midnight totem
I hate having to run survivalist
trim badger
Assuming uncanny/mercy killer is probs decent
I run this on vet yes
Uncanny Strikes still like the best blessing for knife unless you have someone on your team with thunderous or penetrating flames
turbid ibex
I hate having to run survivalist
not like theres better options
neither of the other two auras are anywhere near as impactful as survivalist
devout owl
Fire Team gigachads rise
midnight totem
I like movespeed
devout owl
surreal rune
has anyone actually used fireteam
turbid ibex
has anyone actually used fireteam
to complete penances
pastel yew
as promised; enjoy <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
https://cdn.steamuserconte...
drippy as hell kill from the captain fucking hell
late sky
Airshot lmao
agile mango
what're the best melees on vet now that uncanny got nerfed? Is it just PS really thats clear cut the best?
midnight totem
What blessings would you guys use if power cycler 2 was inherent to all mks of power sword
tame lodge
Sunder Brutal Momentum
somber axle
I still wouldn't use the power sword tbh
hollow ibex
How come?
somber axle
I don't find it fun to play with tbh
It can be fun for like one or two matches here and there but I'm not really a fan of it or how strong it is
hearty panther
its the moveset
somber axle
Yeah like
hearty panther
i can only special block cancel push attack double light swing so many fucking times
somber axle
Special light light or special push attack light
and just repeating
is so boring
it is mind numbing
same reason why I don't touch Rashad Combat Axe
like yeah they're strong
they also make me want to stop playing
tall torrent
What blessings would you guys use if power cycler 2 was inherent to all mks of p...
BM slaughterer
Sunder is kinda too cheesy for me
midnight totem
Id probably use bm slaughter myself
Anyway, still using knife for my other melee vet builds
Until we get power fists
hollow ibex
I don't find it fun to play with tbh
Understandable
somber axle
Understandable
It's still undeniably Vet's strongest melee weapon and a serious powerhouse for anyone who knows how to use it right but I'm enjoying Tac Axe and Shovel a lot more right now
I'm kinda feeling the interest to play with the Shock Maul again
proud parrot
oh so the uncanny change was only for certain weapons?
turbid ibex
no
somber axle
Uncanny changed the blessing for all applicable weapons
no more rending, it's brittleness
and some other stuff changed from rending to melee rending
hollow ibex
oh so the uncanny change was only for certain weapons?
Yeah only for the weapons that have uncanny
hearty panther
thats what you get for not running 9x gunner res
old prism
thats what you get for not running 9x gunner res
no joke if this was possible I'd probably be running it
hearty panther
you'd die in three frames instead of one
steep flower
no gunner rez?
narrow frost
all 3
steep flower
all 3
sussy you are tonight
but then again i would not rush into melee when beamed by 3+ gunners no matter the class; i ain't silly
obtuse crescent
Ok, is Helbore just slow and not functional in the fast pace of this game or am I bad?
shrewd topaz
Its backline exe stance gaming gun
tall torrent
Slow yes
Non-functional, no, it does work
Last question, maybe
faint beacon
Look how tanky you can get in havoc
I like how these two clips summarize The H40 Veteran experience very well
Can you easily avoid this by positioning
Absolutely
steep flower
Ok, is Helbore just slow and not functional in the fast pace of this game or am ...
the latter no offence
obtuse crescent
Slow yes
Non-functional, no, it does work
Last question, maybe
This is what I need. I'm cranking it on Damnation, and I get the gyst that If I focus ranged elites, the toughness regen lets me negate a little counter fire or trash, but my killing rate feels slow
faint beacon
You just get insanely good at positioning or knowing when to rush in with Veteran
Other classes cause of having raw DR can get away with rushing in more imo
steep flower
You just get insanely good at positioning or knowing when to rush in with Vetera...
i also use CK & OfB together so yeah
faint beacon
Sleeping on ETd
steep flower
Sleeping on ETd
still worse than other 2
faint beacon
If you can snap on heads it’s basically free TDR and Toughness uptime I’m ngl
shrewd topaz
This is what I need. I'm cranking it on Damnation, and I get the gyst that If I ...
Mandatory https://youtu.be/Mv9aRrDIlfw
steep flower
If you can snap on heads it’s basically free TDR and Toughness uptime I’m ngl
undeniably; i have enough TDR tho; i do not have problems with it + OfB is just superior
shrewd topaz
Half the helbore experience is getting pissed off at its sights
brave acorn
Half the helbore experience is getting pissed off at its sights
It’s like they know because the blacked out cosmetic adds a reticle frame around it
shrewd topaz
I don't need a frame I need the fucker to stop moving
I love when it moves up when this game shoots center screen so you can't see enemy head
faint beacon
undeniably; i have enough TDR tho; i do not have problems with it + OfB is just ...
I mean yeah I see the point, giving your melee more Toughness on kill and you’re not forced to only headshot to get 15% toughness
I think it’s more just cause I’ve always used precision weapons that I literally naturally click on heads
So it just seems way better
steep flower
I mean yeah I see the point, giving your melee more Toughness on kill and you’re...
not just melee
ANY kill; grenades, ranged, even freaking barrels
faint beacon
Yeah I’ll admit the frag value heavily pulls O4B up by a shit ton
steep flower
I think it’s more just cause I’ve always used precision weapons that I literally...
i do too
O4B is just better
obtuse crescent
YOu can shoot THRU walls as VET since when iwht helbore
tall torrent
YOu can shoot THRU walls as VET since when iwht helbore
Some walls can be shot through with most ranged weapons
Spawn doors namely
latent star
Ok, is Helbore just slow and not functional in the fast pace of this game or am ...
Nah Helbore is pretty good but you do need to build and play around it in a way other ranged weapons don't require.
You can throw a plasma or bolter or revolver on basically any build and it will work and you can mostly play however you want while using those weapons.
If you feel like the weapon is too slow try the fastest firing variant + exe stance + weight, at x10 MMF and x5 WoF in Exe Stance you're basically instant firing kill shots against anything that isn't carapace.
fading yarrow
On my hands and knees
I humbly apologize to the Heavy Swordcels for slandering your goat
This is actually pretty slick to use
latent star
After the most recent buffs I've been running it with a WS plasma build. Plasma does well enough against carapace that I don't care about the sword, and the sword solves basically everything else.
shrewd topaz
Ws helbore when
latent star
Weapon Specialist Helbore?
shrewd topaz
latent star
You can do it but its pretty much always suboptimal. Which is fine. You're just working against the strengths of the weapon and spreading your points painfully thin.
somber axle
Ws helbore when
doesn't the bayonet trigger melee specialist (or at one time it did I think??)
latent star
MMF is pretty much ideal for the weapon and you're already on the way to Shocktrooper anyways. If you don't want MMF you can do FT for a group support sniper build.
latent star
doesn't the bayonet trigger melee specialist (or at one time it did I think??)
I don't think it does anymore but if I'm wrong then go to town.
somber axle
nah because I'm MMF/Exe Helbore for sure
I wouldn't go with the other keystones
but I was curious if WS could even do that still
latent star
I'm not sure if it ever could but I don't think it can now.
somber axle
yeah idk either
I remember it had funny interactions with melee weapon blessings
Brutal Momentum Bayonet
and people dueling bosses with the old Helbore bayonet
tall torrent
doesn't the bayonet trigger melee specialist (or at one time it did I think??)
Never did
U have to swap to melee weapon to activate melee specialist
obtuse crescent
Is there a best Mark for Shovel, or is it whatevrs comfy, in terms of dealing with alot of carapace
hybrid plover
This is actually pretty slick to use
Tbf they did make it a lot better feeling
Since sprinting doesn't interrupt your heavies like it used to
latent star
Is there a best Mark for Shovel, or is it whatevrs comfy, in terms of dealing wi...
MK1 is the best stat stick and is great for spamming against hordes of trash, but the uncanny nerf probably hit this one hardest. Other two aren't quite as good for spamming attacks against hordes but their anti-carapace is decent post-crusher changes.
Shovel is generally considered "fine" but it is nice to have an anti-horde and anti-armor weapon, even if the stats and special switch animation are a bit lacking.
quiet lark
Since sprinting doesn't interrupt your heavies like it used to
off topic but i was wondering if you could share your zealot hsword build you mentioned the other night
hybrid plover
off topic but i was wondering if you could share your zealot hsword build you me...
Shit I forgot to make it
torpid grotto
MK1 is the best stat stick and is great for spamming against hordes of trash, bu...
Felt the same to me after a few games
sonic kayak
Shit I forgot to make it
Hey don't forget
fading yarrow
Got a voiceline that I swear is new. Male Professional, he said he would have to make Hadron take a look at his gun and that it felt like the Blessing was fading
And someone said "Or you're just not using it right" and Prof replied, "Come on man ofc I'm using it right"
Pretty funny but yeah, never seen Blessings directly referenced before like that
void elk
if I want a melee weapon with good cleave and the ability to quickly stagger Ragers
is shovel the best choice for veteran?
willow prairie
psword
void elk
power sword always staggers Ragers ?
willow prairie
yes
calm shard
And someone said "Or you're just not using it right" and Prof replied, "Come on ...
That's not what Hadron's gonna say
But yeah that voice is specifically between loose cannon vet and professional vet
I think it has to be male loose cannon as well
which is a surprisingly rare voice
hollow ibex
power sword always staggers Ragers ?
When powered on
drowsy perch
@woeful field its down this path
drowsy perch
yuh
midnight totem
You know, I figure devil's claw might be a good choice again
hollow ibex
if you're hiv sure
slow sky
You know, I figure devil's claw might be a good choice again
its a great choice for a ranged heavy build
deals with what youd pull out your melee for, and is really safe
shrewd topaz
But knife 
slow sky
knife doesnt clear hordes
knife doesnt parry
knife doesnt hard counter ragers with 0 investment
prime wyvern
hollow ibex
taxe exists
unreal nova
taxe exists
Not vroom vroom enough.
shrewd topaz
knife doesnt hard counter ragers with 0 investment
Devil claw doesn't vroom
woeful field
knife doesnt hard counter ragers with 0 investment
Thats what your blick is for
steep flower
knife doesnt hard counter ragers with 0 investment
And bosses
solid grail
I'm trying to make a knife for expeditions vet, what stat should I dump if I want mobility at 80?
like all of them seem important
unreal nova
I'm trying to make a knife for expeditions vet, what stat should I dump if I wan...
You dump mobility. 
Simple as that.