veteran-class

[pastel yew]

ideally bleed would be good on its own without requiring jank interaction

[unreal nova]

Because it had really high adms.

[thorn lark]

pbb, pickpocket, staffs, dog, zealot being zealot

[atomic void]

vet is an all rounder u can play a lot of guns if u actually play like an all rounder

[pastel yew]

I dont think theres anything wrong with darktide having classes that are primarily ranged focus

[atomic void]

vet is an imperial guardsman aka a mf trained to be a verstile solider

[azure shell]

Goal of the game should be to let you play more than 2 weapons in havoc, right now you're forced to play las or plasma gun, not even gonna mention the fact that them being just better than autoguns makes no sense, and the 0 attempts to buff the autoguns is getting annoying at this point.

[atomic void]

he's not mister call of duty

[thorn lark]

tox adm against carapce is 0.9

[lethal oasis]

perhaps a irregular perril increase for psykers in havoc?

[atomic void]

this game should not be balanced around havoc

[pastel yew]

I think the idea that this darktide should be almost all melee is a holdover from vermintide thats kinda silly, they're very different games

[atomic void]

literally just dont play high havoc if you're this limiteed

[unreal nova]

Problem is, it isn't. It's more an enabler for other effects or maybe kill capt under shield.

[pastel yew]

ehh.. I mean YES but also no

[thorn lark]

insert @slow sky h40 run with db shotgun and shovel

[azure shell]

well it's a havoc specific change i am proposing, not buffing classes for havoc, so it wouldn't be balanced around havoc, havoc would be balanced around the classes

[hearty panther]

as said fatshark has zero interest in balancing havoc especially if its at the detriment of lower difficulties and accessibility lol

case in point: smite

[pastel yew]

the game not being balanced around havoc makes sense for a side mode, but doesnt make sense when you sit and think that its literally the only aspect of the game remotely challenging after this much power creep

[atomic void]

i never played vt2 it's just that all the ranged and dot builds in this game are complete utter cheese
the mobs are clearly designed around melee players speed and u can just destroy mixed hordes with ease with strong ranged stuff

[unreal nova]

A.k.a. hilariously busted compared to bleed.

[atomic void]

havoc was made to please the players with 10k hours in tide games who want their balls crushed

its not meant to be an easy win mode

its also a dogshit mode

[azure shell]

sure bro, but he would have had a way easier time playing dueling sword, plasma gun is the point, he's a 0.01%

[atomic void]

its literally meant to be bullshit

[pastel yew]

I remember when auric was meant to be like this 👴

[atomic void]

but somehow became the main mode for so many people xdddd

[hearty panther]

"Oh thank god we have a hive scum with a rocket launcher to flatten this difficulty curve on sight, i almost started to sweat"

[atomic void]

and now they want the whole game reworked to make it smooth

[azure shell]

because auric is just too easy sometimes, sadly.

[atomic void]

when itys not supposed to be smooth

[pastel yew]

because auric was powercrept so hard its not hard

thats the primary issue

they fucked themself making havoc instead of balancing their game

[hearty panther]

majority of players are still in heresy btw

[pastel yew]

we literally have 5 (4? was one removed) difficulties that are completely pointless

then auric which is the easy/normal

[atomic void]

havoc has a confused idetnity its the bullshit sweatlord mode but also the only mode that's somewhat challenging but balanced poorly cause the game is "not" balanced around it and yeah this game is a mess

but a fun mess

[hearty panther]

You live in a bubble

[pastel yew]

do I?

[hearty panther]

yes

heresy is still the actual majority

[atomic void]

oh no a nice mixed horde i shall flame staff them

[azure shell]

Game is in a decent state overall, it's just momentary salt causing this discussion right now 🙂

[pastel yew]

is there any actual data showingthis

[thorn lark]

and yes I see h40 people in aurics and mael so bad I have to go out of my way to rez them

[pastel yew]

regular heresy, not auric heresy

[hearty panther]

Aurics heresy doesn't exist anymore

[pastel yew]

am I tripping

its just auric + a, maelstrom?

[atomic void]

auric with pubs can be spicy cause its possible to get 3 other deadweights

[pastel yew]

the only time the game is fun

[atomic void]

and most of the playerbase are heresey and below lol

[pastel yew]

idk genuinely I mostly stopped playing after havoc 1.0 because they kept fucking the game

[thorn lark]

if you play with ds and plasma, hu yeah

[hearty panther]

Fatshark hasn't shown stats for two years but last time they showed some for both VT2 and DT 70% of players are in the 'lower' difficulties and the remaining 30% occupy the top (Legend, Cata, Modded for VT; Damm, Auric, Havoc for DT)

[atomic void]

tbh this game is fun if u just play it in a bing bong wahooo way like i did

[pastel yew]

over the past 2 years power creep has been wild, I mean over the games entire life but still within that period especially

[atomic void]

if u look into the numbers its a giant unrefined mess

[thorn lark]

that has nothing to do with being 0.01%, it is knowing the mechanics of the game and using them

[hearty panther]

Most people are just here to swing at poxies and look at the map after a day at work

[pastel yew]

people used to complain about the uhh orthus offensive? is that the boss map

being impossible

[thorn lark]

that build is dead btw, thanks people for complaining about uncanny

[pastel yew]

now its completed by average players with 1 hand

[hearty panther]

We're the fucking weirdos who want to feel body stress playing a video game

[unreal nova]

Power fantasy and stress relief in a way.

[atomic void]

dt is just what happens when devs are making the game along the way

all of this should have been palytested ages ago before release

[azure shell]

i don't care if 1 guy managed to do havoc 40 with some barely viable weapons, he still had a fucking fire staff psyker and a book zealot probably, so the fact that he's epeeing with underperforming weapons doesn't mean shit, they're still bad weapons compared to others

[desert viper]

i agree with this. i enjoy making guns work in high difficulties with their respective execution but this game is just played based on vibes tbh.

[pastel yew]

idk I dont really feel much stress relief from games I play unless I'm actively pressed and have to focus, darktide was one of the few pve games that had me hooked

[final charm]

people still get absolutely dumpstered by the karnaks

[hearty panther]

To say Auric is easy is really just ignoring how much you had to learn to even make that true, and most people aren't going to do that much or play that long.

[pastel yew]

at least from my own experience playing the mission recently people seem to be doing fine where before they were just dying constantly

[atomic void]

most of the bad weapons arent actually bad
dt is actually very skill expression based

u can do nutty things if you're good

[hearty panther]

Like it took me 300hrs before I knew all the special spawn sounds post launch. That's already an order of magnitude more than the average person will play.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-bong-peak-gif-7712959415999770639

[thorn lark]

he outdmgd the flamer but ok bro

[turbid ibex]

Bing bong

[azure shell]

guess what, most of his damage was shredders.

[pastel yew]

yeah I agree, I'm not the kind of player they're balancing for. but its undeniable that the difficulty of auric has been constantly eroded since the release of the mode

[azure shell]

which just got nerfed 😄

[hearty panther]

Delicious shreddies

[desert viper]

DB carries damage harder than frags im not sure why youd say that

[hearty panther]

And its still woefully out of reach for many

[atomic void]

reminder that DB is infinite cleave

[desert viper]

yeah literally

[unreal nova]

I mean, you could have over 1k and still mix them all up barring the very obvious trappers, dogs and muties lul.

[hearty panther]

Everyone laughs when some dude posts saying Havoc 10 is hard but it actually is.

[pastel yew]

it just sucks to see that rather than actually keep their hard mode hard, they'd prefer having a custom mode that requires fucking about without quickplay

[thorn lark]

guess what, no :

[atomic void]

anyway if the only way u can preform is with the tippy top weapons then uhhhhh

i wont say it

[hearty panther]

Havoc quickplay would suck so hard

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/boi-this-is-so-tuff-gif-12350518336067570825

[thorn lark]

but ok I am tired of listening to you, if you want to be a meta slave and know only to play ds and plasma ok

you do you

[atomic void]

those who nose.....

[desert viper]

this game totally allows you to grab the wepaons you like and play with them to your hearts content so long as you do not crutch on them

[unreal nova]

It is if you see the real avg player of the game.

[pastel yew]

if the player already dropped, I'll play it

I'll quickplay into the worst fucking unwinnable matches on repeat

[desert viper]

someone who enjoys revolver will always be more apt than someone who believes plasma gun is a forced necessity in havoc

[hearty panther]

Which we don't. I haven't clicked on anything below Auric since Scum launched

[azure shell]

guess I stand corrected bro, but he would have gotten more with the top weapons is the problem

[unreal nova]

Only possible if they removed demotion.

[atomic void]

he's having fun and preforming with this and so can you!

[pastel yew]

famously easy to use logshooter vs famously easy to use logshooter

[atomic void]

its just practice

[thorn lark]

''top weapons''

[turbid ibex]

They will add remotion

[unreal nova]

I think I told some stories of smykers dying to 2 groaners in malice.

[desert viper]

idk i see people lament the low ammo of the revolver in havocs

[atomic void]

its a pve game there's no elo there's no ranks there's no life or death
just play whatever u want lol

[stuck gorge]

First havoc game ever and you quick play into a havoc 40

[atomic void]

you're not "forced" to use anything

[pastel yew]

yeah its low ammo is a drawback but idk if I'd really describe the weapon as skill testing

[tawny badger]

I was about to ask "how tf" but I can't even talk because sometimes a groaner catches me lacking

[pastel yew]

I really dislike that feature, whats it called..

something hit radius?

the thing that makes your projectiles WIDE

[thorn lark]

''top weapons'' existence is the reason people do not try other stuff

[atomic void]

people meta salving in a none pvp setting will always be so funny to me

the ai is not that deep vro....

[pastel yew]

idk maybe this is a uber hot take but, maybe we shouldnt be balancing auric around the kind of people that think any real friction is difficult

[unreal nova]

They both tunnel visioned and got backstabbed.

[pastel yew]

when we have non auric difficulties they can play instead

[unreal nova]

Basically.

[final charm]

besides the hordes of 40 crushers that they didn’t have to fix

[atomic void]

revolver having a wide ass hitbox is actually peak
i mean look at the gun its like a giant hand cannon

[atomic void]

this is the second time they lowered their spawns

[tawny badger]

now if only they gave us rannick's hand cannon

[atomic void]

and they changed their armor type

[pastel yew]

I dont like it, I dont mind it on the plasmagun because you're hipfiring which on high fov yeah fine.. whatever. but on other weapons it just feels so bleak when I see I've missed and hit anyway

I Get its a concession for controller but

it'd be nice if it was a toggle

[hearty panther]

Rayscan

[atomic void]

oh that's just dt jank

[hearty panther]

And yes revolver has a dumb one

[pastel yew]

nah its got a specific name, they gave it to the infantry las semi recently

[tawny badger]

da hell is rayscan

[atomic void]

but i like the idea of the giant ass revolver firing giant ass bullets

[hearty panther]

You can aim between two people and hit both their heads

Skill weapon obviously

[atomic void]

i dont think many people realize how oversized the guns are in dt lol

[stuck gorge]

you skillfully aimed between two targets and skillfully hit both targets yes

[tawny badger]

the bullet kinda just Did That

[hearty panther]

crazy how nature do

[atomic void]

fk im gonna be late for work yapping about a game i cant even play rn

[unreal nova]

I assume you mean a hard toggle because my mouse accidentally taking control from shakes turning that off would suck.

[heavy rover]

heh, ass bullets

[tawny badger]

actually it's kinda like JFK where his head just did that

[pastel yew]

actual head vs headhitbox nonsense

[tawny badger]

you shoot one guy in the head and the other guy's head explodes in solidarity

sympathy

empathy

fuck which word was it again

[pastel yew]

I mean a toggle that resets the hit radius of shits so that you need to actually hit the blue instead of the red

[hearty panther]

its wild how your gun can literally not even be pointed at the guy anymore and the game will still give you the headshot

[pastel yew]

its only certain weapons

[turbid ibex]

Sillyness

[hearty panther]

plasma i can accept

[pastel yew]

for some it makes sense, like the uhh.. void staff whatever the fuck thats called now

[hearty panther]

a revolver bullet

[heavy rover]

I mean, have you seen snipers

[unreal nova]

I really just think it's just setting up 'advantages' for the player to make thing feel better.

[hearty panther]

not so much

it feels bad to me lmao

even though its to do the opposite

[pastel yew]

no I agree, it feels bad to me as well

[hearty panther]

"that hit?"

[pastel yew]

if I get something I feel I havent earned it makes the feeling of doing something well feel so much less fun

[pastel yew]

yeah, for the plasma gun where you need to hipfire I can get it being added

but it being on the infantry las and revolver seems silly to me

[unreal nova]

Then again, I get the, I shot you in the head 4 times, why are you not dead yet???

[tawny badger]

Nurgle's blessings

[unreal nova]

Because even 3 bodyshots would have been a kill.

[pastel yew]

hitreg is funky

weirdly I only get hitreg issues with poxxies though

[unreal nova]

I get it with everything.

[pastel yew]

there have been definite times I've shot one through the face for a giggle and done 0 damage even though I can see the lashole in their head

[unreal nova]

Usually the most BS ones like short range trappers that NEED to DIE NOW.

[hearty panther]

Man on launch i had to lead my shots

With 30 ping

That's just how it was, you got used to it lol

[pastel yew]

I believe it honestly

think I'm lucky

unplagued by hitreg when it matters, never any audio issues

outside of like, very specific map locations

which are bugged

[unreal nova]

You mean, texture is basically shredded face, still alive.

[pastel yew]

know when you shoot someone with a lasgun and it has that glowing dot where they were hit

that

and 0 damage dealt

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Just replace it with a point blank DB.

They shouldn't be alive since it was more derping around in expeditions on malice but... Fatshark.

The penance numbers still absolute bs basically.

[haughty mauve]

My...shovel...sad gasmask noises

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-sad-gif-2401481686233028452

[tame lodge]

If it's any consolation

It was never good

[hearty panther]

get em boys

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-mafia-gif-24577194

[tame lodge]

Contacting Fatshark right now to raise the bonk volume by 230%

[hearty panther]

it should be like the old voidblast sound every time i hit something on the head

[haughty mauve]

fixes bayonet

[tame lodge]

Notice how you're not using shovel to charge at me

https://tenor.com/view/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh-gif-9393628858940137350

[haughty mauve]

I hear its good for diggin graves

[serene bough]

True

Was just an uncanny stick

[unreal nova]

Digging a grave for itself and bleed maybe?

[pastel yew]

I'm sure now it will be buffed into being a good weapon and not just forgotten about

fatshark would never

https://tenor.com/view/dropping-the-toy-andy-woody-toy-story-2-discarding-the-toy-gif-18416123041951678616

[serene bough]

at this rate we may see minor tweaks to make it slightly less garbage by 2028

Flame staff will need some buffs first

[tame lodge]

I am seeing that pushfollow attack maniac buff
From 0.5 to 0.75 might cook

[pastel yew]

1% improved crusher ADM in the same patch that makes the plasma gun a continuous infinite ammo beam

[unreal nova]

Are you saying I'll be actually ancient by the time it's decently good?

[haughty mauve]

Guess decimator's replacing uncanny

goddamit phatshark you put krieg in the store twice a month and you nuke shovels after

How much more betrayal can I take?

[pastel yew]

krieg cosmetics also cost more than regular ones

I think the technical term is "you've been played"

[unreal nova]

Way more. It's normal.

[serene bough]

If were lucky

[tame lodge]

💀

I didn't even notice that

Get Fatshark'd lol

[serene bough]

Im really not a fan of this piecemeal approach to balancing

Oh well

[pastel yew]

dev time is limited

cant really balance weapons when you're spending all that dev allowance on secondary modes that will be dead 3 weeks post launch

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hoverboard-crashing-into-wall-aaa-gif-25100132

[serene bough]

Yeah that mode really was a wasted effort it feels like

[pastel yew]

that mode singular?

we got two!

I guess it was over a year ago at this point

[tawny badger]

10 hours of shovel bonk to relax and study to

[pastel yew]

but yeah a little over a year we've gotten 1 new map, 1 new non dlc weapon family (and it was delayed content from a patch ages before that), and 2 new modes that died instantly

the shovel thing can't be that hard of a mod to make

[serene bough]

Mortis trials at least has lore dumps

Expeditions do nothing new compared to the base game

At this point id really like them to add a new faction to fight to freshen up the game, everything else id be less excited about

[pseudo fiber]

You may have to ask in the modders discord about sound mods

[pseudo fiber]

Darkmech

You can do it FS

[tawny badger]

suddenly khorne is here too

[pastel yew]

dark mech being the second faction would be so out of left field but so fucking dope

[serene bough]

Hereteks or genestealers ill take either

If im relegated to the same meta for several years at least provide something new to shoot at

[pseudo fiber]

GSC have a higher chance of being on our side than admonition is the thing

[serene bough]

Im just waiting for all of these various hints and teasers about eldar, Gene steelers, and admech lead to nothing and have the next playable class be kroot

[pastel yew]

Im super doubtful we'll ever get a second faction though

if it comes it'll be in darktide 2

[pastel yew]

tbf a lot of stuff included is never to hint or tease anything beyond the wider universe and act as lore jumping off points

iirc vermintide also had lines mentioning all sorts of shit that never got added

[dry cloak]

third

[jagged fable]

Just realized the uncanny strike change is good for veterans who mostly play ranged because brittle is a debuff to enemies instead of rendings buff to you so someone with uncanny can attack a heavily armored enemy and have a veteran burst it down I think if I'm understanding it right but I'm not entirely sure

[unreal nova]

Generally a nerf since you could carry rending over to a second or third target, but brittle is individual enemy.

[haughty mauve]

inferno staff psykers normally apply brittleness so idk if its worth to have uncanny

unless they're going for a more selfish build like crits or w/e

[unreal nova]

You must be seeing really bad psykers then, Most run crits and blaze away.

[hearty panther]

this is just generally true now across the board

[jagged fable]

"Really bad" and it's someone running pure support with brittle flamestaff

[hearty panther]

everyone benefits from someone having uncanny

as opposed to only one person benefiting from their uncanny

this is good

(in coordinated play especially)

[unreal nova]

In general, it is. You could just kill them faster with crits. I literally have two staves with blaze away, one with crits and one with brittle. Crits always felt easier.

[haughty mauve]

The whole team benefits from enemies having brittleness

[unreal nova]

GL in pubs.

It's solo or you die because nobody will ever look at you.

And the bots are still broken and won't help players.

[jagged fable]

I have never had a selfish pub game

[pastel yew]

second MEANINGFUL faction

as in one that seriously provides other threats or differing gameplay

[hearty panther]

i mean its still good, i also mean like the absolute basest level of coordination

[pastel yew]

guy but green and guy but grey

[dry cloak]

can be done with how it is now. but fathsark too lazy

[hearty panther]

like now when your psyker is flaming a horde, you attacking the armored guy with your uncanny melee weapon is of team benefit

[tame lodge]

While true the value of brittleness depends on a lot of variables

So yeah

[hearty panther]

its dual participation instead of just one selfish actor with a giant damage stat bonus

[unreal nova]

That's you. I simply learned that people always demand help but will never help themselves in pure pubs.

[jagged fable]

If they add genestealers I want something like the l4d2 jockey that hijacks where you walk to put you in unfavorable positions

[pastel yew]

semi off topic but I saw a clip recently showing how fucked up the hurtbox on l4d2 jockeys was, when they move its literally a meter or so infront of them

[hearty panther]

right now my kneejerk, reactive suggestion off this patch is that crushers should get another health buff and then we're good

nothing huge but another 1500hp probs

just to push them out of most two-tap combos

(at damn)

[tame lodge]

And you can dodge it by looking up or something

[pastel yew]

no more hp changs... more weapon changes

[tame lodge]

💀

[haughty mauve]

this one right here commisar

[hearty panther]

their frequency is good

[pastel yew]

thats fucking wild

[jagged fable]

Yeah l4d2 is held together by hopes dreams and mods

[hearty panther]

and their presence is notable (And notably less)

[pastel yew]

hp changes dont affect weapons equally, and using them to balance the weapons at the top end of strength just fucks those at the bottom infinitely harder

[hearty panther]

but they are much easier to bully off cd

[dry cloak]

as are all source games

[hearty panther]

cause less

[pastel yew]

they need to set a consistent baseline for enemy health and then slowly rebalance all weapons around that

constantly setting new baselines has fucked the balance from launch

[stuck gorge]

lets just remove armor modifiers and give crushers 20k hp

[pastel yew]

lets remove crushers and make maulers 3x as fast

[tame lodge]

Scab Mauler Saturday but they are all on coke

[jagged fable]

Remove crushers and give their health and carapace to trappers

[pastel yew]

finally some good fucking enemy balance

full carapace trappers ;-;

[turbid ibex]

add crushers

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[stuck gorge]

can we get an ogryn disabler that just picks you up and yoinks you through a spawn door

[pastel yew]

mutant with long arms

[tame lodge]

Cspawn but all it does is command grab

[jagged fable]

The ogryn yoinker who grabs you and runs through a spawn door bringing you to a random part of the mission

[stuck gorge]

burgle with cspawn mobility

[pastel yew]

I'm kinda surprised they didnt just change some crusher hitzones to be something that isnt carapace

feels like the lowest effort easy solution to adjusting carapace

[stuck gorge]

stab their left kneecap for unyielding instead of carapace

[jagged fable]

And the pack master dog disable ability

[tame lodge]

It would also be only viable on melee because the forearms and legs half every ranged damage taken

🔥

[pastel yew]

half range damage is still better than some carapace adms

[tame lodge]

Hitting for a Cokecollion damage and only dealing a Pepsillion damage instead

[trim badger]

You could make a faster mauler by just making a dreg version of it

We also need dreg crusher

(or just add rotten armour version as a %)

[stuck gorge]

scab bulwark

[tawny badger]

we gotta put you down

[turbid ibex]

nah

[stuck gorge]

get through the scab bulwarks first

[turbid ibex]

put them up

[tough nova]

Please no

[turbid ibex]

burgle with daemonhost mobility

aka teleport

[tawny badger]

teleport -> instagrab

[stuck gorge]

teleport > instagrab > teleports into an active bomber fire burning you alive

[tawny badger]

dont forget the poxburster

[stuck gorge]

also crushers overheading you inside the burgle

[tame lodge]

Disfuckingusting

[turbid ibex]

teleport > instagrab > teleports so far out of bounds it crashes the server

:3

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ta40tw/some_banger_reviews_after_todays_patch/

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-shit-that's-me-that's-me-flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-13629731639035070568

[pseudo fiber]

"Smoke grenades don't protect against fire mines" something they have never done

[sly orchid]

I can guarantee you that dude doesnt run smokes

[grand perch]

ah yes, fire mines

the greatest threat we all know

[stuck gorge]

we all know bombers spend 30 minutes before every mission setting up fire mines across the map

then they just go and watch the rejects set them off

[grand perch]

maybe he was throwing smokes at fire barrels

[pseudo fiber]

I think the actual answer is this reviewer thought this was CS2

[atomic void]

time to check chinese reviews again

[tawny badger]

what the FUCK are fire mines

[pseudo fiber]

Surely there won't be even more bangers

[atomic void]

its so peak

every single patch

in every single game

[fair shale]

If there's anything really funny I want to see it

[atomic void]

the ones in the reddit post are basically what i saw earlier lol

its funny cause the insults are unhinged

they're very creative

[pseudo fiber]

Arrogant white pigs is so unbelievably funny

[atomic void]

path showed me real unhinged chinese roasts

and translated them properly

pure kino

[pseudo fiber]

I stole 2 screenshots from you sowwy

[atomic void]

spreading the good word

[pseudo fiber]

It's actually all the big plan to make the subreddit pro nerf

And yes it does include leveraging racism

[atomic void]

we do a lil trolling

[pseudo fiber]

For those at home this is a joke

[turbid ibex]

what about those not at home

[tall torrent]

I'm kind of leaning decimator, take a swing and AON for shovel atm?
tried the impact + skullcrusher route and it's just kinda meh
doesn't have that long stagger duration to make best use out of skullcrusher

[pastel yew]

impossible

[pseudo fiber]

All or nothing value?!??!?!

[tall torrent]

it's not good

but

neither is decimator

[pseudo fiber]

Is take a swing the push attack one

[tall torrent]

yea

+60% weakspot dmg for 3s after push

shovel's L smiter has 1.5 finesse so

it's ok dmg

[pseudo fiber]

You do do lots of push attacks on mk1

[tall torrent]

and u can take rending on vet talent

bypass the need for uncanny in a copium-intensive way

[pseudo fiber]

Guys what if we took uncanny anyway

[turbid ibex]

what if we exploded

[tall torrent]

but I think the actual biggest winner of this shovel rebalance is mk3

[pastel yew]

biggest winner or smallest loser?

[tall torrent]

biggest winner of the 3

because u can run the stagger spec stuff for it and not worry abt single target

don't have post-patch source code yet

[pseudo fiber]

What if the world was made of pudding

[pastel yew]

heavy bias as I dont like the shovels very much at all but looking through the list of buffs they got idk how impactful much of this is gonna be

mostly lots of fairly small numbers tweaks

[tall torrent]

they're not much more than mid

they rank pretty low for melee dps

and also don't work that well for ranged build self defense

[hollow ibex]

How so? 🤔

[tall torrent]

because they buffed folded heavy's ADM as well as both H smiter and H sweep profiles

and despite the small buff to L smiter, it's still not good at single target dmg baseline

[hollow ibex]

ugh using heavies on mk3 for horde clear

might as well not use it

[turbid ibex]

luv me my horde clear heavies

[tall torrent]

it's still like

largely a shock maul tier weapon lol

[turbid ibex]

littlely a shock maul tier

[tall torrent]

not horrible but not much more than mid

[turbid ibex]

it does have one hting over shock maul

it looks kinda cool

and thats about it

[hearty panther]

it goes fwip

[tall torrent]

shock maul looks cooler and has better dismemberments

[hearty panther]

shock maul cant go fwip

[tall torrent]

so shock maul still better

[hearty panther]

nuuh

[turbid ibex]

cap

[hearty panther]

cause no fwip

[tall torrent]

no cap both shock maul skins look peak

way better than shovels

[turbid ibex]

i aint paying for skins

[pastel yew]

weapon customisation best of all worlds

[turbid ibex]

only game i did that for is drg

[tall torrent]

base models still look better than shovels as well

[pastel yew]

cosmetics for me tend to be playtime related more than most things, I dont mind paying more money to games I get a lot out of

[pseudo fiber]

I love the right kne

[turbid ibex]

kne

[pseudo fiber]

And the BP one in that set too

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1455788261934104626.webp?size=300&animated=true

[pastel yew]

shockmauls are cooler though I agree

both weapons kinda struggle from that feeling that youre more just pushing shit around than actually killing it though

[surreal rune]

whats their unyielding and other adms

[turbid ibex]

0

[surreal rune]

their unarmored and infested adms seem.... a bit low

a mace like that would usually just

idk take one light swing to at least break their skull

[brittle apex]

Question for power sword lovers. In high Havo I really like having at least one high mobility weapon. I find the power sword to be lacking in mobility and find myself out of stamina and making tiny dodges that don't get me out of trouble. Running with plasma gun also means low mobility ranged weapon. Unless I run something like las pistol I find it hard to ensure I stay safely positioned and get boxed in by hordes or armored packs. How do you manage to stay alive with limited mobility?

Also, is there any way to mitigate the slowdown associated with activating the sword? I also find it more unreliable than I'd like to actually activate it, even with mods that supposedly guarantee it

[tall torrent]

gotta remember to push enemies

[brittle apex]

I do, but limited stamina. Only running one +3 curio atm

[tall torrent]

I don't run any additional stamina and it's still fine

[tidal fox]

you just play it safe and slow cause where psword lacks in mobility it makes up for in power

could also be that youre pushing too much

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist also helps a lot

[tidal fox]

yeah I think you should show the build first

before we say anything

[brittle apex]

I run focus target w/ psword + plasma

[tidal fox]

that is probably why youre struggling a bit

might wanna try weaponspecialist or a different melee for focus target

I personally dont run it

[brittle apex]

Kk. FWIW I really like tac-axe w/ Agile blessing for refreshed dodge efficiency on weak spot hit. I can basically dodge forever, and high mobility means dodges take me further

[narrow frost]

H40 solo Melee psyker

Deaths:
Mauler: 99
Trapper: 33
Dog: 21
Crusher: 71
Shooters: 17
Reaper: 22
Rodin: 2
Cspawn: 22
Burster: 11
Shotgunners: 13
Rager: 6
Mutant: 13
PotW: 9
Sniper: 13
Gunner: 13
Bulwark: 8
Poxwalkers: 4
Flamer: 8
Captain: 2
Bomber: 1
Plasma: 5
BoN: 1
Pogryn: 1

[tall torrent]

FT is a lot of dmg but WS makes power sword significantly more flexible in mixed horde

noticeably better vs ragers given faster atk speed and improved dodge to get hits in between their atks

[brittle apex]

Do you take Duck and Dive for +30% stam on avoiding range with sprint/slide/dodge?

[tame lodge]

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[turbid ibex]

No

[trim badger]

For some reason I'm struggling with pushing enemies and NOT triggering the push attack even if I let go both buttons after pushing and then attacking

The same happens when I wanna H1 + Push and then H1 again with ogryn shield

[tall torrent]

push + L2 has L2 come out with a bit of a delay

takes some practice

[tall torrent]

no

I checked around every weapon with uncanny and my initial conclusion is that the most impactful change is honestly for force swords

u can get pretty comparable performance to before on knife/DS in single target with executor and relentless and crit

but u can't obliterate crushers as easily with force sword on staff builds for psyker now

[inland eagle]

Hey guys this class sucks right now right

[tall torrent]

no

[inland eagle]

Yes

[tough nova]

Quite the dialogue

[hybrid plover]

Why would it

[lean rune]

is sapper shovel a good replacement for DS?

[brittle apex]

shovel has always been good

[lean rune]

i was thinking of going to knife or shovel, but maybe DS is still good, since i mainly play gun in my missions, ds very rarely

from a h40 perspective

im newish but like to play in h40s

[tame lodge]

No

Maybe for horde clearing but neither are impressive at it

[lean rune]

yeah, mianly use gun for hordeclear

just if it would perform better on carapace

or in general

hard for me to work it out from the stats

[brittle apex]

with skullcrusher and take a swing, the push attack does very solid single target damage

and for hordes just heavy back and forth

[tall torrent]

why

[lean rune]

it works

and i dont really worry about horde in general

i mean i still have a lot to learn but yeah

[tall torrent]

and no shovel is worse vs carapace

power sword is best vet melee

[lean rune]

ya, want something with high mobility so i can focus on gun

[tall torrent]

then it's the same knife/DS

[lean rune]

so was looking at knife, and i thought maybe shovel would be similarly quick to DS

oki ty

[silver patrol]

and falchion

[brittle apex]

ppl sleep on tac axe

[silver patrol]

i think falchion has pretty good mobility

[narrow widget]

tacaxe

[silver patrol]

yeah and tacaxe

[tall torrent]

falchion is avg mobility

nothing impressive

[narrow widget]

nothing faster than a knoife tho

[brittle apex]

tacaxe with headtaker and agile is super mobile and hits like a truck. weapon specialist but make sure you grab weakspot damage from left tree. mk vii is like all headshots

i like it with stealth and smokes on my never-reload double barrel shotgun build

don't think i'd take it to high havoc but its super fun and blazes through regular auric no problem

[sharp epoch]

i think the uncanny change impacted every weapon because instead of keeping a buff yourself your just applying a debuff

[tall torrent]

yes but knife/shiv have pretty good alternatives to achieve what they were doing before

[sharp epoch]

might run precog on shivs now

[tall torrent]

shovel is sorta complicated because uncanny is still very relevant but u could also do the cursed double rending talents since it's vet

but the biggest difference I find is that regardless of what u do, u can't nuke crushers as hard as before with either force sword or duelling sword on a dedicated staff build

[tame lodge]

Just go folding and max brittle in 1 special attack

[sharp epoch]

im not sure if the shovel buffs will make up for the uncanny nerf on shovel

[tall torrent]

it's still largely mid

if that's what ur wondering

[tame lodge]

The pushfollow went up by 0.25 against maniacs

[sharp epoch]

mk1 was actually pretty decent before with the bleed talent

and rending i think its even worse now tbh

[tall torrent]

L smiter got quite a bit better at base

but it's still L smiter

carapace adm not amazing and u want rend/brit to fix that

[sharp epoch]

i dont really like the folding ones it just reminds me im not using a ps right now 😂

[tall torrent]

mk3 is ok rn

cuz u can actually largely ignore rend/brit for it

[hidden pewter]

I feel like im using the power sword wrong should I be powering it up on every swing?

[hybrid plover]

Do you have power cycler?

[sharp epoch]

lol

back in my day you got 3 swings without power cycler

[hidden pewter]

Nah, is it a necessary blessing?

[tall torrent]

yes

[heavy rover]

besides power cycler, I recommend running the trench fighter drills talent as well

speeds up the powerup time

[hidden pewter]

Ok so I should only be swinging the sword in the powered up form?

[tall torrent]

yes

[turbid ibex]

Mandatory

[thorn lark]

so you don´t know about bm

[latent star]

I've been thinking about what to run on shovel with the uncanny change. Knife seems mostly unaffected but shovel feels like a big shift.

knife already has a ramping component on vet if you're doing bleed stuff so "get a weakspot hit and then your damage starts to actually matter" was already baked in for some builds.

also wondering if it makes the other shovel models worth looking at given the broad shifts in carapace numbers

[brittle apex]

skullcrusher + take a swing. push attack -> light -> light

[brittle apex]

on mk 1 push attack is its hardest hitting attack and is strikedown

[latent star]

yeah I think for the preferred version (is that the MK1 I think?) that's an appealing pick.

[brittle apex]

i like mk 1

special attack staggers ragers out of their attack chain

and just swing heavies into hordes

[latent star]

MK1 is generally considered the best stat-stick in exchange for not having the sorta-useful anti-armor swap mode

[brittle apex]

i generally hate weapons with an activate-on-every-hit mode

but thats preference

[latent star]

I think it might be more viable depending on how the crusher change plays out, but I'm not sure. It struggled a bit in that it was easy access to good anti-armor damage but "activate then take a swing and repeat and then maybe kill one crusher" wasn't very impressive against surprise 30 crushers.

[tall torrent]

roughly 2 ways to go

stagger spec with rending talents

or

uncanny + dps talent, with no rending from tree

both work

neither impress

[brittle apex]

or you can brittleness from ranged instead of the shovel

[formal hamlet]

So at the risk of asking this question as the 500th person in the last 5 minutes; I haven't played since before the new game mode got added in a recentish patch, and now this new patch seems to be nerfing blessings and shit. Do I need to re-do all my Veteran builds you guys helped me make?

[tall torrent]

what's ur build atm

[latent star]

Yeah I think the changes might temporarily retire shovel for me.

[formal hamlet]

Pretty much the cookie cutter stuff you gave me, Power Sword + Plasma Gun shout vet, for example.

[tall torrent]

it's roughly the same strength as before, works but doesn't impress in any way

[latent star]

Yeah and it no longer has that weird free bleed synergy which I think was one of the few big selling points it had

[formal hamlet]

Slayer build with shotty+shovel.

[latent star]

works but doesn't impress and lost one of the niches it had

[tall torrent]

I play smth like this atm

honestly ur weapon choice matters more

vet tree is just, rigid

[latent star]

I know its sort of an accepted part of the playstyle by now but I'd love for some of the power of skirmisher to be spread out to the rest of the tree instead of being part of every build.

25% damage for running sometimes is really hard to pass up

[formal hamlet]

How's that new game mode that got added a while back? People loving it?

[tall torrent]

it's kinda half dead

[latent star]

its underbaked

hopefully they fix it

[formal hamlet]

Damn I was worried that might happen.

[tall torrent]

it has like

a decent foundation

but no endgame

[latent star]

Biggeste issue is the reward structure IMO

[formal hamlet]

Like that other psychanium mode that nobody seems to touch. 😭

[tall torrent]

and no tie in to the base game

[formal hamlet]

It sounded so neat on paper.

[latent star]

there's no reason to run it on higher difficulty, no real structure to its currency, and that means everyone who is going for penances etc. just plays on easy over and over and over

[formal hamlet]

Plus I'm just glad to not be staring at black metal maps all day.

[latent star]

which creates a self-fulfilling cycle where you can't matchmake for any higher difficulty stuff

[tall torrent]

the real big change from today's patch are that

1. crusher spawns are way lower across all modes
2. staff build psyker can't nuke crushers with 0 melee investment melee anymore

[latent star]

if the reward structure and difficulty wasn't borked I think it would be good. Still not perfect but a decent alternative mode.

[latent star]

Its gonna be weird to not plan everything around crushers.

[formal hamlet]

That the inferno psyker build people say is mega OP?

[tall torrent]

psyker is mega op period

[latent star]

Inferno is pretty crazy, not sure you can balance the game without taking it behind the shed.

[tall torrent]

also when I say staff build I specifically mean shriek/bubble ranged main

SG+DD using staff will still be pretty effective vs carapace cuz u get global crit & finesse there

[latent star]

I'm glad psyker got some needed love but the class has been nuts ever since the last big tree rework they got

[formal hamlet]

Any big changes with vet between that new mode launching and now?

I vaguely remember plasma gun got changed where I can actually blow myself up now.

But can't remember why or how.

[latent star]

nothing big really. Kraks got a nerf that doesn't really matter IMO, plasma also got a nerf that doesn't matter at all.

[tall torrent]

plasma change basically didn't matter outside of slower draw speed

[latent star]

smoke grenades keep getting small buffs and they're mostly good now but still a bit wonky. If you like using them and learn to use them they're solid.

[formal hamlet]

Oh yeah Krak regen timer? Saw that in the latest patch.

[tall torrent]

krak longer regen does matter but u also have way less crushers spawning so they're not that required atm

frag with grenadier is quite a bit better into mauler/rager waves and can be more flexible vs gunners

[formal hamlet]

Was lowkey hoping for some buffs to that new unique melee weapon we got a while back.

[amber vortex]

Unless you're build is just krak spam, you'll be fine

[latent star]

krak regen is worse but curhsers are less common and kraks were mostly for crushers. Its a nerf for using them against anything else, which stinks because grenade balance in this game is all over the place

[formal hamlet]

Power falchion or something.

[tall torrent]

falchion is still mid

[amber vortex]

Its ok

[tall torrent]

they buffed it by giving activated attacks ~3.5% more dmg

[latent star]

falchion got some smallish buffs, its "fine" now

[tall torrent]

which is practically irrelevant

it's not changed in any functional way

[amber vortex]

Know what's even better?

[formal hamlet]

Dang.

I know people always got hyped about uncanny strike, does that mean things like combat knife are significantly worse now with the changes to it?

[tall torrent]

u can achieve similar single target results with other blessings

most of the uncanny weapons hav good alternative blessing picks

except shovel

shovel is just borked like that

[latent star]

Knife is still strong, you can run different blessings or just use mercy + bleed + uncanny for the "my second hit is the one that matters"

[tall torrent]

I do mercy + executor on vet atm

weakspot hits, sustained single target dmg

[formal hamlet]

Interesting. So it feels like all in all even with these big shifts, nothing's really changed for Vet in any big way. Maybe perhaps less viable weapons becoming more viable due to less carapace enemies?

[tall torrent]

kinda?

but

maulers are still very real

[latent star]

Will depend on how the spawn changes actually play out IMO

[tall torrent]

so if ur melee sucks vs carapace then 12 maulers will still give u some problems

[latent star]

maulers are scary and if crusher waves still functionally exist you will still need an answer for them, even if they're less common.

[formal hamlet]

I'm surprised, when I read these patch notes with the ogrin enemy reduction, I assumed it was going to be a big shift in the meta.

True, they didn't say anything about maulers.

[latent star]

like "1 wave of 30+ mixed crushers vs. 3 waves" is a big difference but if you can't deal with the 1st wave the lack of waves 2 and 3 doesn't matter.

I think it will take a while for the meta to shift and to see how people change playstyles.

the entire point is trying to make anti-carapace less mandatory but in a weird way if it becomes less mandatory it also becomes more important since this is still a team game. If your 3 teammates have no answer to crushers, well

[formal hamlet]

I suppose that's true, it doesn't mean I can bring out less versatile weapons more, whether it's 10 carapace enemies or 50, I still need anti-carapace in my kit.

[tall torrent]

u do

but it's not as dominant as before

[latent star]

I think the question will be what can you gain by losing anti-carapace, since most meta builds right now basically trade very little for it.

[tall torrent]

like, u can get away with frag + a lower carapace dps melee vs a bunch of maulers

[latent star]

If we start to see some big meta builds that have almost no way to deal with crushers, that will be interesting.

[tall torrent]

frag bleed with weapon perk +25% dmg vs flak gets u ~2k dmg on maulers in big AOE

pretty nice

[formal hamlet]

This reminds me of when I was new and would not bring any anti carapace in my kit, assuming my teammates would have it in theirs. And then as luck would have it, I'd be in a crew fill of people who also had no anti carapace in their kit so we wipe due to that.

[tall torrent]

I will also say

[latent star]

how important do you think the +damage and +1 nade talents are for frags?

[tall torrent]

turns out the uncanny merchant this whole time was DS lol

[formal hamlet]

Variety I think is the goal in terms of gain.

[tall torrent]

tinkerer is gud, not required (pairs well with boltpistol lethal proximity, but then u have to run boltpistol which is yikes)
grenadier is gud, works well for frag's ideal use cases

[latent star]

They both seem decent but you know how valuable +2 points on the bottom of the tree can be....

[tall torrent]

psyker loses quite a bit in this regard (specifically staff build psyker)

but melee psyker is unaffected so it's fine

[formal hamlet]

What does ADM mean in the patch notes?

[tall torrent]

there should be tradeoffs

[tall torrent]

armor dmg modifier

[tall torrent]

yea I would only take 1 between them personally

[tall torrent]

I have this

[gentle rapids]

any good alt blessings for mk1 shovel or should I just keep uncanny? only played one match but it seems similar to how it was

[formal hamlet]

I can't tell if shovel got a buff or a nerf.

[latent star]

nerf IMO but mostly for one specific use case.

[formal hamlet]

Not the stabbing with alt attack into heads?

[tall torrent]

adjustment

[latent star]

uncanny + bleed stuff was fun, not really meta or dominant but you could make bleed talents and grenades go pretty far by mindlessly stacking rending

that's gone

but it wasn't really a good strategy, more like a "stupid fun shit to do with a bolt pistol" level stuff.

[formal hamlet]

Is the good old reliable guide updated for the blessings changes and such?

[tall torrent]

no

I been busy

[latent star]

MK3 shovel might be more viable since it offers a good anti-carapace alt mode that always struggled with "surprise 30 crushers" so its theoretically more usable.

[tall torrent]

but I will update

over time

https://klipy.com/gifs/bangboo-snif

[formal hamlet]

The can opener one? That, and the one on the crowbar, are somehow very satisfying sound/animation wise but always felt very underwhelming in results.

[tall torrent]

I'm sorta waiting for new patch's source code before I make big changes to guide

[latent star]

Yes, the can opener mode. Its pretty good against maulers and maniacs IIRC, so I think it might end up a secret patch winner despite not getting much in the way of changes.

[hybrid plover]

It was though.

[latent star]

I wonder if the MK1 with a +impact and skullcrusher would be worth playing around with for a sort of easy-stun-everything bonk stick.

[hybrid plover]

That's the entire reason uncanny was changed to brittleness

[tall torrent]

I think mk3 is best for that purpose

[hybrid plover]

It was mainly to put DoT damage in check

Frag nades with rending have always been crazy goood

[latent star]

so thinking something like decimator + skull (or whatever) on MK1 for horde spam and skull + something impact for MK3 to mulch bigger guys?

[hybrid plover]

But its not an immediate fuck off button like kraks are so people stopped thinking they were good.

[turbid ibex]

me sniffing the dorito dust on the floor

[latent star]

TBH I think the biggest knock against frag grenades is that psykers and (to a much lesser extent) hive scum exist

[formal hamlet]

Don't scum have that screen wiping bazooka?

[latent star]

yeah and chem grenades and spreadable dots etc. etc.

[turbid ibex]

both got nerfed

[latent star]

the powercreed on "spreading dots to a shitload of non-carapace enemies to delete an entire room" has been huge and even though frags are still good at it you can't compete with a psyker who remembers to push a button.

[tall torrent]

@hybrid plover

mercy + executor is actually kinda based

never before would I consider running smth cursed like this

[turbid ibex]

execUwUtOwOww

[hybrid plover]

Lmao

[latent star]

you had my curiosity.gif

[hybrid plover]

Crazy how I was saying this was good before and it never caught on cuz no one could fathom not having uncanny on knife

[formal hamlet]

That FOV gonna give me vertigo.

[latent star]

uncanny was so good it invalidated everything else

maybe someday power cycler won't be mandatory.....

[tall torrent]

flesh tearer stocks are not as good as this honestly

[hybrid plover]

I implore we keep it like that

[faint beacon]

So whats the mindset behind this forbidden knife combo

[hybrid plover]

Executor give strength bonus, vet has good finesse bonus to multiply with 60% weakspot dmg

[tall torrent]

mercy killer is consistent sustained dps enabled by serrated blade
mercy killer needs weakspot hits
executor needs weakspot hits
fuck it why not

[faint beacon]

And it just ends up enabling Knife

[hybrid plover]

You're just stacking numbers to a point where you don't even need rending.

[faint beacon]

I mean tbh I can see it

[hybrid plover]

I've been using this

[faint beacon]

I mean if you REALLY needed it (Which I doubt) we have a 10% Rending node

[tall torrent]

I will also have u know that this is somewhere like 8.45 cleave for H sweep for knife with executor stacks up

[faint beacon]

Brittleness being more common now with the Uncanny Changes iirc

[tame lodge]

I'm afraid you just weren't bored enough to try it

💀

[tall torrent]

for zealot I would do mercy/precog/riposte + executor prob

[hybrid plover]

Frags with Lethal prox could very well do that tbh

[tall torrent]

depends on which ability being used

[hybrid plover]

And grenade tinkerer

[tall torrent]

and then for hive scum it's riposte + executor for me (knife & shiv)

precog 2s uptime just does not convince me

[hybrid plover]

The radius for frags would straight up encompass the psykanium

[hybrid plover]

Precog is more a scum thing imho

[faint beacon]

Didn't even realize the rending changes technically heavily nerfed the potential of the Grenadier build

not to unusable but not as good as it used to be

[tall torrent]

still would do riposte/executor over it

I don't hate precog but 2s is enough for maybe 2 good atks in

[hybrid plover]

Since hitting a precoged crit would amount to insane amounts of overkill for HV

So you're not benefiting from it for only two seconds

[faint beacon]

Anyways

fuck it I'll bite

I'll make a knife and try it out with Serrated

After I try out Mk1 with its changes to Uncanny

[latent star]

I think mercy + executor and serrated might be my knife start now

[tall torrent]

yea but executor is just, more available

[latent star]

uncanny on knife is still fine but executor seems about as good but you can carry the x5 buff forward if you keep hitting right and that's big.

starting from 0 executor and uncanny on the knife seem to be about as good, give or take some randomness, so its "do I want brittle for my team vs. do I want to stack to x5 and stab things in the head for 9999 damage?"

[tall torrent]

executor is better than people think

[faint beacon]

its uptime is pretty solid I wont lie

[tall torrent]

it will only drop stacks if u land an attack on an enemy (dead enemy corpse doesn't count) and across that entire attack, u hit 0 weakspots

[sharp epoch]

yes people are downplaying it but it affects a lot of interactions

[faint beacon]

Its just the Uncanny + Bleed meta was so prevalent

[tall torrent]

it won't drop stacks if u miss hits

[faint beacon]

but I think the changes they did today help

[tall torrent]

unlike the fuckass decimator

it won't drop stacks if u switch targets

[faint beacon]

Look I manage with Decimator

somehow

[tall torrent]

unlike the fuckass relentless strikes

and it gains stack per hit, not per atk, like headtaker, so u can gain multiple stacks in 1 atk that hits multiple weakspots

unlike the fuckass decimator (again)

[turbid ibex]

fUwUckass decimatOwOww

[tall torrent]

frag stocks are also technically up

krak less needed

frag is better vs pretty much every other elite mix

[latent star]

gonna need to try it in a game a bit but hammer + stagger on shovel mk3 might be a fun comfort option

[tall torrent]

even tho u can't uncanny cheese the bleed DOT anymore

[tall torrent]

do trauma + skullcrusher

trauma gives u longer stagger duration

[faint beacon]

Wont be viable still however Skrusher with Trauma is PRETTY funny

Though I'd say try Smaul if you like "Object that staggers everything" but for vet

[sharp epoch]

frag might be the play now with krak nerf and crusher nerf

[tall torrent]

but

global strength buffs still do work

like slaughterer and executor

[sharp epoch]

if power cycler wasnt needed id run slaughterer like the old days

[tall torrent]

I do power cycler + slaughterer now

the mixed horde dps is nice

and better stagger breakpoints

it also just feels like I'm cheating game mechanics less

no BM

no sunder (carapace cleavethrough + mega cleave)

[turbid ibex]

cega mleave

[tall torrent]

power sword so op already I don't mind nerfing myself with its build

[sharp epoch]

I think its balanced on a class like veteran cause it kinda plays like a glass cannon in the sense you have zero mobility and bad toughness regen except for exe stance

on hive scum or zealot o boy itd be op

[turbid ibex]

nah its not balanced at all

[tall torrent]

nah a <40s mixed horde trial clear melee only is not "balanced"

[turbid ibex]

doesnt matter what class you give it to its busted

[sharp epoch]

I mean if you throw in shooters/gunners your getting gunned down on havoc and specials your more likely to get disabled compared to every other melee

if its all melee yeah your kinda set cause you can just stay in place

no cover

[tall torrent]

u do have a gun for that so it's largely covered

[sharp epoch]

I'm just saying PS has major weaknesses paired with the class itself which gives you situational TDR and low toughness regen which makes it balanced to me on Veteran

[tame lodge]

I agree it's balanced so Fatshark should buff it

[sharp epoch]

if it was that OP melee vet would actually be better than melee scum, but melee scum still mogs it

[quiet lark]

just like inferno staff 👍

[tame lodge]

Truest true to ever truthed

Btw

[sharp epoch]

someone said they just buff psyker cause the devs main psyker

idk if thats even true though

[hybrid plover]

One thing being overtuned doesn't mean the other isnt

That's how we got to such a power crept state to begin with.

[surreal rune]

hows the mk5 dueling sword after the changes

it felt like, not as problematic as 4

[sharp epoch]

I think they just didn't do the original talent trees properly, it's just pretty much been nerfs since then

for Veteran at least, Ogryn has seen a lot of buffs

[tame lodge]

it is a dueling sword

so it is already problematic

that being said

mk5 trades a bit of damage for some better mobility

defense

and better parry

[red robin]

So how’s new patch?

Overall good adjustment for wider weapon incentive? Or flat downgrade due to other underlying issues with armor

Aaaa

I just want devils claw to have better flak adm

[tame lodge]

Idk

Haven't played a match yet

Just hopped on to see the DS finesse change

Now needs EW to 1 shot parry

[red robin]

EW?

[sharp epoch]

its probably not enough to make people switch to non carapace killing weapons if thats what your asking

[quiet lark]

exploit weakness

[red robin]

Oooo

[tame lodge]

Exploit Weakness

[red robin]

That’s vet talent right? More dmg taken marked by crits?

[quiet lark]

only played a few havocs but the crusher reduction is very noticeable

in exchange for more other melee elites and specials it seems

[red robin]

I like that

More ragers for my one aura farm hype moments devil claw parry chain

More maulers because I like those guys

[torpid grotto]

Aaaand they’re all perma stunned from arbites or aggrod on the psyker

[red robin]

Can’t have shit ever

[hybrid plover]

All I know is, Hsword stonks are going up this patch

[torpid grotto]

100% unviable can’t be used ever sorry Reddit said so

[tidal fox]

^

[hybrid plover]

Reddit doesn't know me.

[torpid grotto]

Maybe if you use other decent weapon and kill enemy faster your teammate won’t die

[hybrid plover]

LMAOOOOO

WHAT KIND OF EXCUSE IS THAT?

Redditors are just on a different planet, I s2g

[torpid grotto]

Posted a hsword clip against a dreg seed where it’s killing 3 ragers per swing

These are the responses I got

[hearty panther]

this is why you dont bother reading the comments

[tall torrent]

Overall gud

[hybrid plover]

All they have to do

Is just use the sword

For one fucking game

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword into Dreg seed is fun but heavy sword into scab seed is sadness

[hybrid plover]

Ima be real

[latent star]

the crusher change is immediately super noticeable, feels like 80% reduction not 30%

[hybrid plover]

Aint that bad with Bladed Momentum

It is not hard at all to amass the rending for it

[tall torrent]

I don’t enjoy bladed momentum that much because I realized heavy sword’s cleave distribution is actually kinda meh after 2 targets

[hybrid plover]

I've come to learn that special + light abuse works

[tall torrent]

By that I mean it falls off a cliff after 2 targets

[hybrid plover]

It's more just to actually proc it.

It builds stacks real quick

[tall torrent]

Ik

[hybrid plover]

Though yeah you do lose out on Deathblow's distribution mitigation but

Eh

[tall torrent]

Deathblow is massive

And frankly even if I didn’t use deathblow

[latent star]

feeling like skipping a big portion of bottom mid tree on vet may be worth considering after the tactical nerf.

[tall torrent]

Rampage and chained deathblow still exist

[hybrid plover]

I think it just depends on what you wanna do with it for vet

[tall torrent]

Both those 2 are a lot more general purpose than rending

Not to mention it’s not that good vs carapace even with rending

Because ur not gonna take carapace perk for it usually

[torpid grotto]

I do xD

[tame lodge]

Hsword CDD is just unique like that

[sharp epoch]

hsword can be criticized but not for that, its amazing on anything not carapace

[tame lodge]

Mk6 mk7 lights cdd

[torpid grotto]

Many players have crusher derangement syndrome

[hybrid plover]

That's why I'm glad FS caught wind and decided to start actually adjusting things

I'm tired of the viableness of weapons being entirely dictated on "can it kill crushers"

[sharp epoch]

I think they kinda nerfed the wrong things though, the reason crushers are so stacked is because psykers melt through everything not crushers 😭

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny 100% needed a nerf

I don't think Soulblaze needed the buff at all

But at the same time, psykers can't just stack uncanny and suddenly start nuking crushers with DoTs anymore

[tall torrent]

It’s not needed and kinda weird
But staff psyker’s carapace dps is pretty massively reduced this patch

[sharp epoch]

nor did inferno staff, it literally has the most kills globally out of every weapon like wat

[torpid grotto]

The soulblaze buff was so tiny, I think they just added it to avoid Chinese review bomb

[hybrid plover]

The one buff it had was a compensation for Uncanny not interacting with SB anymore

Overall, it's more a net negative for inferno because you can't amass global rending for it anymore.

[tall torrent]

It’s a nothing burger for inferno that’s done for wack reasons

But the staff psyker melee carapace dps nerf is very very real

[hybrid plover]

Do I think it needed that buff? Absolutely not. But its still a huge net negative against crushers.

[torpid grotto]

In a real game the uncanny trick was only really useful on crusher trains

[hearty panther]

and like 99% of people didnt use it

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I have like 800 levels of fire staff and only used it like 10 times maybe

[sharp epoch]

I didn't bother using it either when I did have to fill psyker a few times

[hybrid plover]

Honestly at this point they could look into inferno not having crazy ADMs against literally everything else

[pastel yew]

psyker catching nerfs... fantasy

[torpid grotto]

3 more years then they’ll give it a look

[pastel yew]

idrk if theres ever going to be a point it'd be balanced

I feel the strength between too strong and too weak is so narrow for a weapon with that much cleave

[sharp epoch]

its one of those things where its "balanced" on lower difficulties but just keeps scaling on higher difficulties

[pastel yew]

a smarter person might say infinite cleave is a bad idea in a game where density is a point of balance

[hybrid plover]

I'd only use it out of happenstance cuz I usually run Scrier's with knife and trauma so I'd switch a lot and end up keeping uncanny stacks really often

[pastel yew]

not me though

[hybrid plover]

I'm an outlier though since I have never seen a soul run a build like that in havoc lol

[pastel yew]

I think I've seen a psyker use the combat blade

once

ever

and it was to speedrun when that was semi popular

[hybrid plover]

A lot of psykers use it for mobility purposes

[torpid grotto]

I die inside when I see the 282737282929th ds4 purg psyker apply in party finder

[hybrid plover]

When they're running a very staff heavy build

[pastel yew]

I mean its only natural

you make a difficulty most people cant play

then you make weapons easy enough and overpowered enough to carry those players

[hybrid plover]

Dw I'll request with my goofy trauma build

[pastel yew]

meaning you see it a shit load because the number of people that can't play is bigger than those that can

I could never get the trauma staff

seeing enemies fall over just makes me sad

I think I have my own trauma around having it on my team and playing vet though

about to one shot a guy > psyker knocks him over

https://tenor.com/view/robert-pattinson-lighthouse-screaming-shout-scared-gif-17035752

[torpid grotto]

Trauma on Gloriana start….

💔

[pastel yew]

barrel death cometh

[torpid grotto]

Team rocket moment

[hybrid plover]

See this is why I just go up first to blow up the barrels

[pastel yew]

that'd be smart

[hybrid plover]

Ngl if you immediately jump at the start

[pastel yew]

part of me does like watching my team sail off of the map though

[hybrid plover]

...you're just kinda asking to die

[pastel yew]

just have absolute faith your team wont shoot them

they will, every time

[torpid grotto]

The very first drop is pain cus there’s nowhere to kite

The rest of the start is really fun

[hybrid plover]

I mean ima be real, you really can't help that on that map

[pastel yew]

gloriana is a weird map ngl

its entire layout feels very like

[torpid grotto]

I love it

[pastel yew]

old custom map that was highly voted or something

if that makes sense as a vibe

it doesnt feel like fatshark made it

[torpid grotto]

It’s very different

[pastel yew]

feels weird and sorta unpolished even if its fun

[torpid grotto]

Not a lot of straight hallways

[pastel yew]

very WIDE

[torpid grotto]

Every section is wildly different

[tall torrent]

U shud check DS4 crusher kill speed after patch on staff psyker it’s hilarious

[hybrid plover]

I remember when I had to clutch for a solid 20 minutes in h40 on Gloriana once. I don't think I've ever kited as much as I have before that game

Unfortunately. I succeeded.

[torpid grotto]

How is it different

I haven’t used ds4 in 1000000 years

[pastel yew]

presumably its a lot slower

[hybrid plover]

And then the twins came in right after and knocked all of us off the map

[tall torrent]

It unironically takes like 10+ heavy stabs to the face to kill 1 crusher without uncanny strike lmfao

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/raised-eyebrows-good-jocko-willink-gif-5513484

[pastel yew]

I mean you'd run new uncanny on it though I'd assume?

[hybrid plover]

The Emperor sleeps soundly tonight.

[pastel yew]

though it dont stack that fast... hm

[hybrid plover]

It stacks faster

[tall torrent]

And drop that to like 7-8 hits to the face to kill lmfao

[pastel yew]

8 stacks per hit at 2.5 per stack?

[hybrid plover]

But you don't keep stacks

[tall torrent]

Like no that is not good

[pastel yew]

nothing stacks faster than already being charged

[hybrid plover]

Across different targets

[torpid grotto]

Players will have to use Deimos and learn their first combo

[tall torrent]

Staff psykers really lost a lot of carapace dps

I say this very seriously

[pastel yew]

heavy heavy heavy heavy is a combo.....

;-;

[tall torrent]

The fucking Obscurus

Takes minimum 6 hits to kill crusher with or without uncanny now

On staff psyker

[hybrid plover]

Obscurus stocks rising

[tall torrent]

Deimos takes more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[hybrid plover]

I gotta learn how to deal with the weird moveset timings

P sure Deimos staggers them better though, right?

[tall torrent]

It used to take 3-4

[tall torrent]

Yes but u just kill them slower than Obscurus

[hearty panther]

i like where it is now

[hybrid plover]

I mean

[pastel yew]

maybe this will make people complain enough that we finally get substantial carapace changes

life could be a dream

[hybrid plover]

Really just a pick your poison deal.

[tall torrent]

Nah I like where it’s at now

[pastel yew]

I dont really want to stab a single guy 10 times in the head ngl, though I wasnt using the ds anyway

[tall torrent]

Staff spam psyker deserves it

[pastel yew]

especially with such thrilling attack alternation

heavy heavy heavy heavy