veteran-class

[neon current]

used to have that

[tall torrent]

and it doesn't even look particularly good

RT is a low graphics game

[neon current]

got removed to prevent bolter from magdumping 30

hmm, so lessdot doesnt remove the numbers of dot

you can turn off individual ones

instead

whats the point

[tall torrent]

visual clarity

[neon current]

ye but what do I remove

[tall torrent]

I removed all

[neon current]

analysis paralysis

[tall torrent]

and use enemies_improved to show debuffs I care about

[neon current]

oh lol

that works I guess

[tall torrent]

I only rly care about like

6 debuffs

[neon current]

enemies improved is an alternative to debuff indicator than

[tall torrent]

bleed
burn
soulblaze
chemtox
stagger
skullcrusher

it does way more

[neon current]

sounds bout right

[tall torrent]

it has some cheat like features but I don't use them

[tall torrent]

stagger and skullcrusher is super nice

u can see how long enemies stay staggered for

[neon current]

but if you use it ethical

it looks like a better debuff indicator

judging by the pictures

holy shit this mod is massive

[tall torrent]

my settings make it look like this

[neon current]

this is some mipressive shit

I wont ever use HP bars

[tall torrent]

I have mine set to show all important enemy hp within 15m

[neon current]

HP gives too much information

[tall torrent]

as well as debuffs on them

[neon current]

is cheating for me

[tall torrent]

that's up to u

[neon current]

you have one clean ass looking game tho

yea

[tall torrent]

u can disable the hp bar stuff anyway

[neon current]

I dont care what anyone else use

not why I'm saying

you do you

I know what I wanna do

[tall torrent]

the real cheat feature is perma enemy outline to me

I just have enemy outline for dangerous atks on

[neon current]

still

[tall torrent]

perma outline is too cheaty for me

[neon current]

it is a lot cleaner than debuff indicator

even if I only use it for that

[tall torrent]

yea

[neon current]

on the sidenote, I can't fully cleave moebians with Borovian + stagger node

not that it matters much

[tall torrent]

I can send u my settings for it

u can tweak from there

just disable health bar stuff if u want to

[neon current]

yea I just fired up this mod

the number is settings

massive

[tall torrent]

I sent it in dm

[neon current]

thanks

[quasi surge]

Why did they eliminate it? At least reload speed increase would be nice. Trying to put together a build for the special event around the Spearhead Boltgun and was surprised to realize it lacked the reload.

[neon current]

deemed too strong

DS4 laughing in the corner

it's been years since

fatshark is not very consistent, let's leave it that

[quasi surge]

Volley Adapt plus Tactical Reload does make it viable without it for just constantly spraying ragers at least

[neon current]

it was used to melt monsters in veggies

12VEG

back when it was the hardest difficulty modifier

those were very different times

[tall torrent]

@neon current better showcase of this feature

[neon current]

damn man, I don't think I can go back to the fisheye FoVs of VT2 lol

think I'll settle at 100

also, why does my user settings have 1080p still, when I clearly run 1440

[tall torrent]

prob cuz default puts u at 1080p

and then u changed settings to 1440p

[neon current]

aye

[tall torrent]

windows' user settings config does that

[gloomy rivet]

"I can't wait to have a relaxing game of darktide after a stressful 8 hour shift!"

[somber axle]

they threw you like a competition shooting puck for the shotgunners to practice on LMFAO

[tall torrent]

Is this the event

[sharp epoch]

fair and balanced

[hollow ibex]

brutal

[tame lodge]

I would've tanked that

Good enough
Welcome back next class

[dapper coyote]

Ok, now i see why skiitarius feels fucking cheaty lmao

Its dirty and i love it

[hollow ibex]

you can abuse skitarius to... varying degrees

[dapper coyote]

Zealot crusher, special, heavy, light = fuck you specials

Switch the heavy and light spots and fuck you horde

[dapper coyote]

I can abuse this with fuckin Pswords lmao

[hollow ibex]

unless you're going all-out macro abuse

tbh i think you're better off manually controlling usually

[dapper coyote]

Special, light x3 (lolololololol)

[dapper coyote]

There are times where manually controlling is better, but fuck me this is fun

[hollow ibex]

i still manually control PS charging

[dapper coyote]

Zealot Crusher go brrrrr

[hollow ibex]

mainly use skitarius for light spam and single target combo

to spare my poor hands

[dapper coyote]

No brain, unga bunga electric bugaloo it is

[dapper coyote]

When i got this mod finally figured it out, suddenly I don't tire myself too much from the game (fucking -45% stamina consumption)

[languid dune]

Until I get lucky with the god roll for the plasma, what is the best dump stat? Charge rate or thermal res?

[tall torrent]

Thermal

[languid dune]

I've been using a randomly rolled Plasma with a bunch of 70 - 80% stats for hundreds of hours and it never occured

Also is there even a method to getting the god roll or just classic armory profane roll spam?

[tall torrent]

RNG

[languid dune]

Good ol RNG

Add the desire sensor in for extra measure and you have a recipe for disappointment

[toxic reef]

well at least be lvl 30 before rolling

[languid dune]

Well yeah, I've been playing the game for a while. Was just curious if there actually was a trick where you roll at a specific level, like between 20 and 30 for example

[toxic reef]

nah you're likely to get less stats at 80 when you're a lower level

you usually get like min 3 at 80 once you're at 30

lower level rolling is only useful to get 76 across to board

[tawny badger]

never in my life have I ever felt so threatened by pack hounds

[drowsy perch]

hot take but heavy las might be the strongest laser weapon on vet

[pseudo fiber]

the heavy las pistol?

[tame lodge]

Or heavy as in hard hitting? So the Helbores

Which true

Another Helbore w as always

[drowsy perch]

ya

[tidal fox]

plasma will clear any gun

always

[drowsy perch]

plasma isnt a las gun

[tidal fox]

close enough

it shoots something like a laser

[drowsy perch]

plasma

[tidal fox]

plasma laser

[hollow ibex]

nah lots of guns beat it out in single target damage

[drowsy perch]

is plasma

and also once survivalist is fixed

it will become mid

[tidal fox]

it excels in other areas

such as being easy to swap to and the cleave

I'm not using it cause of its damage at all

[hollow ibex]

well you said it'll clear any gun always lol

and it doesn't

[tidal fox]

no idea what you mean but whatevs

[slow sky]

Helbore is better for anti gunner and armor

[hollow ibex]

plasma isn't just simply the best gun in the game

it's good but not that good

[slow sky]

And it has functionally infinite ammo too

And basically never needs to reload

[hollow ibex]

yeah helbore is by far the better option

if you want to be a dedicated shooter

[tidal fox]

running helbore makes you invest bottom left tree

which already leaves you with crazy weaknesses

plasma just covers everything

bottom left vet tree just miserable to run on solo q anyways

[hollow ibex]

shrimply play better

[tidal fox]

lot easier to dominate the lobby with plasma gun for less effort

all while not being a sitting duck in melee

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[tame lodge]

Bro said easy

This qualifies it to be a skill issue

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[slow spade]

if only it was like the DoW plasmas where you see guardsmen just full auto it :p

[drowsy perch]

marksman focus is incredibly strong

[tidal fox]

well yeah I didnt say it wasnt

[drowsy perch]

literal infinite toughness

also that it refreshes duration with melee too

[hollow ibex]

MMF is good, the pathing is not unfortunately

[warm schooner]

mmf vigi is so much fun

[strong umbra]

how to ez win havoc 40 as vet >> kill all ranged + special

[drowsy perch]

the weakspot or crit i agree with

but the stuff below that is p good

bigger clip is great for a good bit of weapons

and stamina regen sooner is always nice

[hybrid plover]

It's not at the level of bottom right

And that's a fundamental issue with the tree tbh

[hollow ibex]

vet's tree is also just too long

bigger mag talent isn't very good

pathing sucks

[hybrid plover]

MMF is great but the fact that you have to give up so many general sources of damage to get it is an opportunity cost in itself that hurts it

And it really shouldn't be like that.

[drowsy perch]

not for every weapon

but it is quite nice on some

revolver, shotguns

basiclaly anything with a small mag normally

[drowsy perch]

true

it takes like 20 points just to reach a keystone

not to mention all the talents that you should be taking along with that

[drowsy perch]

is true

vet needs more like, cross path links or something

its very restricted in a sense

[hybrid plover]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Vet rework #3 when?

[drowsy perch]

i also feel like it needs just better sorted paths

like you cant build ranged and melee crit without either missing a lot of talents or not taking a keystone

it kinda forces one or the other

which is weird

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

though really i think we're only on the first rework

it's psyker that's on their third rework

[drowsy perch]

not really even needing a rework

just better talent pathing/sorting

[lament venture]

Just login to the game, at this point I'm sure that old cadian cosmetic are rare than krieg now. They re-run that krieger shite like what every 3 months?

[narrow frost]

yes

[lament venture]

Sad I just want that one set

[hollow ibex]

i didn't buy that one cuz fanny pack

[lament venture]

I think it's cool and since I've start this game 2 years ago, I've never seen this thing in store once.

[amber vortex]

I just want the old steel legion jacket

thats it

[lament venture]

Hope they add more to the store or even open for whatever you want outright.

[narrow frost]

FOMO works

so low low low chance

[gilded wraith]

What we really need are more helmets that cause baldness.

[amber vortex]

No, what we really need is more gas masks

reskins of the same gas mask

[tame lodge]

I was joking about steel legion being yellow Krieg

But there's literally a yellow Krieg helmet

[amber vortex]

Have they made a reskin for the steel legion helmet?

The one with the hose?

[junior haven]

un'ess its krieg related for some reason

[amber vortex]

I FUCKING HATE KRIEG

[junior haven]

i dont hate it i just want something else

but "something else" was that weird all black and occasional bone weapon set.

[dapper coyote]

I want it too so that i can turn my vet into Morrow

I've seen people doing Brunts and even Zola

[drifting verge]

Bot wearing non accessible helm?

[tidal fox]

they need all the help they can get

[drifting verge]

Mask and headset

[tidal fox]

see now the fact the devs decided to let vet bots have a heavy sword is an affront to the militarum cause fuckin hell

give them all psword or dueling sword

[dapper coyote]

Vets do get Hswords lmao

[tidal fox]

yeah but fuck the heavy sword

[hybrid plover]

They mean the bots

[tidal fox]

I did not mean the botass

but I did mean the bots

[hybrid plover]

SHHHH

fat fingered

[dapper coyote]

Botass.

[tidal fox]

must have been one fat ass finger

cause how do you get three letters in there

[hybrid plover]

I wish I could tell you the answer.

[dapper coyote]

All three rather far letters as well

[tidal fox]

warp trickery

[drowsy perch]

i really dont understand why fatshark has to make it fomo

literally make them all available and theyd make way more money

its not like they become permanetely unobtainable

[fading yarrow]

Who knows

Maybe when AdMech releases and it's subsequent patches are finished then FatShark can write Tencent an email

If they can take the time to do so out of their Summer vacation.

[unreal nova]

Naw, Devil's claw and make them spam parry with their inf stam.

Would be funny watching one parry a DH to death in like... 3 mins?

[drowsy perch]

yknow

im not changing my mind that uncanny being 40% brittle is ass

BUT

vet does have a 40% brittle talent

i assume they stack?

80% brittle would be pretty sweet actually

[slow spade]

the real problem is every time they say they "reduced" spawns, it turns out they like doubled them or made them like 3x deadlier

when they did the hp increase for crushers, they supposedly reduced their spawns and we can see how that turned out

[unreal nova]

Same or more crushers.

[slow spade]

I can't believe Fatshark would do this to us

[balmy igloo]

Wait wat ?!?!

[slow spade]

definitely not edited

trust

[balmy igloo]

This is chaos

But did they really needed a upgrade tho?

[slow spade]

||in case you want the real numbers||

[slow spade]

:p this change happened months ago

we're dealing with the buffed crushers atm

[balmy igloo]

Damm this crushers where already scary a more dangerous buff makes it chaotic on higher difficulty even with the perfect counters for it

[tame lodge]

You know

[slow spade]

I mean everyone should have already adapted to it. The screenshot dates back to Sept 2025.

It was just really fucking annoying because it was never just "a" crusher

[tame lodge]

Psyker Ek staff didn't get a compensatory buff for the scabs hp increase

#noticing

[slow spade]

yeah they just dropped like a 50-75% increase to all scab enemies hp and basically went "have at them"

part of why every vet in QP runs kraks

[willow prairie]

the fact that heavy stubber got no mention 💀

[unreal nova]

I know. They now take 16 kraks each to kill.

[unreal nova]

Honestly, many actually weaker weapons got ignored as well.

Or ehm. Got a buff that did barely anything.

[dapper coyote]

I discovered today something stupid with the laspistols and inf lasguns

Inf lasgun (tan) deals around 200 ish dmg on flak,

Laspistols (tan) deals around 600 ish dmg on the same place

[unreal nova]

Old news, you just use the fast laspistol and is better than inflas.

Same tree, same headshot focus, more damage and mobility.

The fast mark lacks recoil as well.

So is more accurate than the heavy mark.

The main reason for inflas is guardsman cosplay.

[thorn lark]

recoil using a laser weapons is....

https://tenor.com/view/ap-physics-c-electricty-magnetism-e%26m-inducted-current-gif-3769229245358938910

[unreal nova]

Look, they said it was modded in to feel better.

[drowsy perch]

i think its technically because its so hot it makes a blast at the front

nvm

well

technically still true

for darktide or something

[unreal nova]

It's like adding a vibe to your gun to go off on every shot to cater to being used to visually linking a gun shot to a vibration in hand.

[sudden cedar]

Las-weapons and their properties as well as the "projectile" may vary quite wildly depending on the author of a specific book, so i find difficult to pinpoint exactly how a Lasgun does really work

[thorn lark]

Yeah i read that

Then you give a talent to the vet to negate most of that recoil. Smh.

[unreal nova]

Fatshark talent tax, I guess.

[dapper coyote]

Also overall better crit chance

Also ghost is funny

"Welp, i guess yall having skissue then" saying that to sniper, plasma gunner and reaper shooting at my face

[drowsy perch]

yea its just "time to stand still"

[unreal nova]

Yeah, why, just throw out inflas and use laspistol.

[dapper coyote]

I used it to advance with my zealot

Just walk and shoot, miss all shots, d i e.

Also, is captains spawning in without shields is a normal thing now?

[desert viper]

can sometimes happen

is this havoc?

or mission spawn

[dapper coyote]

Regular missions

Too tired to play havoc, especially dealing with party finder

[desert viper]

in low diff missions

captains spawn on kill missions with no shield

not sure about high diff tho

[dapper coyote]

I see it in heresy

Lvl 3 I'd suppose

[desert viper]

heresy has that yeah

[brave acorn]

My guess would be that all these variants of lasgun function very differently from each other. The Imperium is too backwards to notice and the Mechanicus aren’t telling, so they all get lumped together as “lasguns”

[sudden cedar]

Perhaps.

[void elk]

why is the laspistol literally better than rifles lol

[dapper coyote]

B a l a n c e

A shitty and questionable balance

[unreal nova]

Fatshark.

[dapper coyote]

More ammo (lasguns) vs literally better performance in most ways (laspistols)

[unreal nova]

Buffs soulblaze more, forgets bleed exists.

Bleed is already the worst DoT in the game btw.

[dapper coyote]

I put my dump stat on ammo on laspistol, and it still enough for most engagement

So more ammo means fuckall in inf lasgun's advantage

[unreal nova]

The only time you run out is expeditions tbh, assuming team pulled too much by area 3 for 4/5.

So non-stop fighting.

[dapper coyote]

Sometimes im screaming in that gamemode is "STOP FUCKING AROUND THE MAP"

But yeah

Fym more ammo?

this shit deals so low damage that a fanatic zealot pissing from one too many mugs of amasec probably have a better dps than this "gun"

[unreal nova]

Stealth weakpoint humiliation damage instagib.

I think that's incomparable.

[dapper coyote]

Also 80% mobility on laspistol make able to ZOOOOOOMMM around the map

Feels comical outruns a fucking rager

[unreal nova]

Thus, it's just better.

Like why even use the inflas?

[void elk]

I'm not exactly complaining. the pistol completes the commissar larp

It just feels more responsive, snappy and better to use than rifles

It's only unfortunate that the game doesn't allow wielding both melee and ranged at the same time

[dapper coyote]

And more dmg lmao

[void elk]

It's magical laser

Very expensive officer weapon

[dapper coyote]

Officer weapon? Fym by officer weapon?

Its literally written there it was used by steeple guards (lower than imperial guards lmao)

[void elk]

If I don't read it it's not there

[dapper coyote]

Officer weapons would have been revolvers or bolt pistols (should the logistics be not damned)

[void elk]

Now if only power sword wasn't a snail to use

[dapper coyote]

That's not a laspistol, thats definitely a bolt pistol

[desert viper]

chainswords are also given to officers

[void elk]

I'm pretty sure a bolt pistol looks different

The other loadout (chainsword and bolt pistol)

The bolt pistol definitely looks cartoonishly bulky

[tepid otter]

bolt piss'tol'

[brave acorn]

Bolt pistol is better for executing allies

[unreal nova]

Naw, just for show when your frags just stagger the arena.

They do work to blam bitches trappers in a pinch though. And bombers. And snipers. And flamers.

[somber axle]

I'm late but the Laspistol is better than the rifles because the Laspistol has normal damage falloff in a game where the vast majority of encounters happen in close range where it will do all or most of its damage and the Infantry Lasguns have reverse damage falloff for some reason so their damage is being cut substantially if you try to keep firing at close range where the vast majority of encounters happen. Add to that Infantry Lasguns having poor Flak ADM which is one of the most common types of armour and it loses half its damage for trying to fight anything with Flak up close

Oh also this is a hot take but the Crusher HP buff from the original 4000 to the current 6500 was necessary. At 4000 HP you could reasonably spray a Crusher to death for near free on a Recon Lasgun with a certain set up with enough DPS to hit 3.2k to 3.6k+ depending on crits so the TTK was too strong and if Recons could do this it meant others had a much easier time

Please do not spray Crushers with Recons anymore

[unreal nova]

Pubs just do it anyway.

I need ammo is a normal spam.

[somber axle]

Maybe if people see me asking them not to politely enough times they will stop

[hearty panther]

optimism? in the big 26?

[steep flower]

Its good cmon… and after update fire dot will do 0.7 adm to them total so yeah

[somber axle]

I think the only argument I saw someone make that I thought was sorta reasonable was using Onslaught to spray a short burst before engaging in melee but like that sounds as though it is very niche. Like only if you are a short distance away where spraying and swapping wouldn't be a hindrance on TTK (if you are already melee you will kill faster staying melee) and only if your melee weapon would benefit from it

I guess there's the funny Burn and Bleed deal of Recon + Knife with Onslaught helping both DoTs but like that still seems questionable compared to just going full Knife

[desert viper]

recon spraying a crusher is silly work

combat knife eats crushers up on vet

or just any gud melee on vet

[somber axle]

Plus you have to sacrifice a talent point for Onslaught and that's rough

[desert viper]

competing with alot of the nodes on the right

skirmisher, exploit weakness, agile engagement, etc

just for your recon to hit armor basically

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly

Talent tree has too many far more important nodes

I really loved shooting Crushers with the Recons when they were 4k HP but now it really isn't worth it

[desert viper]

4k hp was managable indeed

6.5k (only going higher in havoc) is not

[somber axle]

I think they should buff Daemonhosts too

I'm not a game designer so I wouldn't know where to begin with what to change but I feel like they're not the threat they should be as is

[desert viper]

it would be evil kind of funny if they had the same modifier as twins

where they take % dmg

[somber axle]

[hearty panther]

daemonhost used to take out two people before disappearing

could do that again

[somber axle]

I like the idea but it was too easy to exploit it for trolling before so idk how they would revert it without enabling that behavior again

[unreal nova]

Trolls just leave after doing it nowadays.

It'll jump to someone else unless someone dies first.

[hearty panther]

the one thing they did solve regarding trolling is that stealth no longer breaks DH agro

[stone zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pointing-finger-pointing-fingers-at-cat-stupid-cat-silly-cat-gif-1844176374237301129

[narrow frost]

Focus Target

[stone zealot]

point mod

[dapper coyote]

Focus target spam belike

OK, I WILL SHOOT HIM, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB

[sharp epoch]

make them team wipe

[faint beacon]

Unironically bring it back

[somber axle]

I do kinda want them to go until they've wiped out the whole team but I wonder if that'd be too much for lower difficulty players

Maybe for Auric+

Daemonhost kills 1 and then dips on lower difficulties, 2 on Damnation, whole team for Auric/Havoc

[sharp epoch]

I think theyre really oppressive to fight though as of now as a low mobility build though (power sword)

[somber axle]

I agree but they're also a little too easy to kill otherwise imo

[forest scaffold]

3 for auric heresy, 4 for auric damnation+

that way the scaling remains consistent

[somber axle]

do you mean Maelstroms

or

I do agree though

Scaling Daemonhost difficulty by letting it kill more of the team before leaving would make it a more potent threat

[forest scaffold]

No, you can just go play auric heresy

[somber axle]

Auric and Heresy are two different difficulties now

[forest scaffold]

Or, you could last time I cared about darktide in any meaningful way

[somber axle]

Auric is no longer a separate mode

Difficulties go
Uprising - Malice - Heresy - Damnation - Auric

[forest scaffold]

fair

[somber axle]

then you've got Maelstroms and Havoc

[forest scaffold]

out of date information ftw

I guess fatshark killing auric heresy and sedition makes sense

both underplayed difficulties that served no real purpose

[somber axle]

no worries I was out of date on a lot of info too. I took a year and a half break after the release of Havoc before Arbites was even announced and didn't return until the recent Rumbling Giants event

there's a LOOOOT of catching up to do

[forest scaffold]

All my information that I've retained through and through is just ogryn stuff

Confident Strike+Skullcrusher on mk3b club

and everything in the heavy hitter tree

congratulations, you've unlocked darktide easy mode

[somber axle]

The only thing I know about Ogryn is they released a cosmetic weapon that's just a giant Inquisition letter i on a stick that Ogryns were so happy to get

and then they started beating heretics with that giant letter i

[forest scaffold]

Look, if the mechanicus can beat people with a cog

I can beat people with a letter

[somber axle]

yes

I'm also very excited about the new AdMech class

have you seen the leaks

still very much subject to change

[sly orchid]

take this with a grain of salt btw

[somber axle]

when we do finally get the class it very likely will not be this word for word

we've also seen Transsonic weapons

[sly orchid]

it was posted by a greyname which had no previous messages

[somber axle]

so speculation seems to be Skitarii

yeah the source is very sketchy

but if I were someone in the know and wanted to secretly leak this without letting anyone know it was me who violated the NDA

[sly orchid]

Tech adept*

[somber axle]

I would do the grey name thing too

not that I would ever violate an NDA

[sly orchid]

We dont have enough info to pinpoint skitarii

[somber axle]

I thought people were saying Transsonic weapons are a Skitarii weapon?

Though also I hope we get Skitarii for the Galvanic Rifle

Radium Rifle would be nice too

I hope it's not just Plasma pistol

Though I would also be very psyched to see Plasma Pistol

[sly orchid]

They are but a tech adept can become a skitarii

[somber axle]

Omnissiah Axe is probably the weapon I'm most excited for though

[somber axle]

That's fair

As long as I get the iconic robes and enough metal augmentations I'll be happy

[sly orchid]

Inb4 we get dragon scale power armor

[somber axle]

I'm not familiar with that tbh

[somber axle]

Oh that's sick

[sly orchid]

basically techpriest heavy armor

This type of power armour is worn by the tech-priests of the Magos Militant and the Enginseers seconded to the Imperial Guard. Each set of dragon scale is individually hand-forged from adamantine and ceramite plating and woven with prayers of permanence and micro-etched with fractal incantations of defence. While offering protection of the finest powered armour, and augmenting the wearer's strength, dragon scale’s greatest advantage is that it is designed to interface directly with the tech-priest’s cybernetic body and draws its power from his potentia coil, never needing to be recharged while worn. The suit's systems include a photo-visor and a respirator. However, the user must have a cybermantle and potentia coil in order to use this type of power armour.[4a]

[somber axle]

I hope we get the metallic boot sound effects with their footsteps too

[sly orchid]

hopefully yeah

[somber axle]

The same as those metal prosthetic legs on that one Vet cosmetic

[sly orchid]

i do wonder what theyre going to do

cause cryptic is shown as its own race within the files

so it has an unique skeleton from human and ogryn ones

[somber axle]

Felinids Probably just lots of augmentations

I half expect the servo arm to be a big part of it

[sly orchid]

maybe

if we do get skitarii i hope protector is a part of it

[hollow ibex]

prob just arm prosthetics like the leg prosthetic cosmetics we have

[hearty panther]

lul this hair brand is named KMS

unfortunate in today's age

good thing i am very mature and totally didnt laugh at that

man i want that new class so bad

scum was cool but very boring to actually play

arby had dog micro to stay interesting

this looks like psyker with it having a secondary resource to manage

[hollow ibex]

gun scum is boring and op

melee scum is op

[hearty panther]

and also boring

[hollow ibex]

box scum... exists

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

[neon current]

@tall torrent would you still run unarmored carapace for rampage scum taxe4?

[tall torrent]

I don't use tac axe 4 in the first place

[neon current]

its so good on scum, dogwater on anyone else

[hollow ibex]

Typical Path L

[neon current]

been doing crit flak for 67% with headtaker deci

but deci blows, so need something else with shred

flak unyield or unarmored carapace

[tall torrent]

7 just better

[neon current]

it is

but using the same shit on everyone gets boring

[hearty panther]

7 is all the good parts of both taxes rolled into one

[neon current]

I'm just happy I found a class the 4 doesn't suck donkey ass with

[hearty panther]

yea but like

its scum

turns out a class that can statcheck everything in the game can make a stinky weapon kinda good

[neon current]

indeed

+100% melee str 😄

[hollow ibex]

but 4 has funni light spam

and the single target combo is just peak aura

[neon current]

yea I've started using it vs rotten

its so good

your dmg ramps up with blessings as their DR gets lower

just heavy spam their ass

[hearty panther]

i do like the 4

its just kinda

shit yknow

7 does what 4 does but also extra

[neon current]

it certainly is, not on scum tho

[hearty panther]

sometimes ill run 7 with Deci/HT instead

[neon current]

heavy rend actually makes it better vs rotten than 7

bro

I've tried to make those work

averaged 3 stacks on deci, 1 and a half on relentless

they are dogwater

[hearty panther]

relentless is dog

[neon current]

they both are

[hearty panther]

really though, three stacks deci?

[neon current]

aye

[hearty panther]

have you tried clicking less lmao

[neon current]

on H40

no way, I'm using a taxe!

[hearty panther]

this is true

[neon current]

I think shred is just more consistent

[hearty panther]

for me its not so much getting maximum stacks

its the very fast ramp up

first five swings gain 10% str each

and on

[neon current]

yea but you heavy spam 4 vs big targets, so it'll stack slower

I've tried to make both work, shred is just better for me

[hearty panther]

im usually doing two special taps into a light and then heavy

and then heavy spamming

special for the stun

[neon current]

being able to stagger crushers at 2 deci stacks is nice tho, ngl

[hearty panther]

been a while tho

[neon current]

5 ht + 2 deci + rampage will stagger em on headshot

or 1 relentless

[faint beacon]

You should honestly be orbiting 6-10 on H40 with Deci cause of horde density

[tall torrent]

it's actually worse light atks than 7 lol

[hearty panther]

does it even have higher base cleave

[neon current]

quite possibly, but I don't wanna pay attention not to hit carcasses when spamming a taxe

[hearty panther]

man i miss when wartide was updated

[tall torrent]

ofc not

[neon current]

in other words, cba

[tall torrent]

that would make it good

[hearty panther]

still has the best special imo

but the 7 already has one of the two jabs

and thats sufficient

[neon current]

7 and 4 has same special

no?

[hearty panther]

nah

4 has two jabs one overhead

[neon current]

7 has alternating

but first is the same

[hearty panther]

7 has one jab one overhead

[neon current]

ye, if you spam it they differ

[hearty panther]

4 is faster

[faint beacon]

Both stagger but 7s special is slower

Does that matter? Not really

[hearty panther]

only if you miss

[neon current]

not really

2 special sucks

other two is good

[hearty panther]

2 special is awwwwwwwwful

ill never use the 2

[faint beacon]

Usually used on Cleaving units (Maulers/Crushers) or Mutants

[neon current]

taxe2 used to be my daily driver on zealot pre13

[faint beacon]

Instantaneous stagger button

[neon current]

now 7 is better in jsut bout every way

[faint beacon]

Of course I’m going to stagger the overheading crusher

[neon current]

the moment they differentiated strikedown dmg values, 7 became the undisputed king

can't wait for the nerf taxe7 cries, once people migrate to after DS nerf

[hearty panther]

my fave build pre13 on vet

was super fast recon las back when everyone called it unusable

with a taxe4 lmao

[faint beacon]

DS nerf that honestly Didnt even hit it as hard apparently lmao

[neon current]

lightspam shred HT was okay on vet

[hearty panther]

the recon still had reverse damage fall off back then too

[neon current]

next week nerf I mean

that one looks a lot more substantial

[willow prairie]

i mean it alway been that way

[neon current]

debatable

I pretty much PA heavied pre13 only

taxe2 has a slightly better PA angle

but that's it

[willow prairie]

4 have like no bp for bromentum+ the heavy isn't that good against armor to justify it over 7

[neon current]

its funny tho

we all know 7 is the best, no one argues against

using the same shit on everyone all the time gets boring tho

[willow prairie]

imagine if they make mk4 light to be linesman and buff heavy cara adm that would save it genuinely

remove cleave cap while they're at it

[neon current]

wtf

look at this shit

bottom left crit conversion into dmg

when I heavy, it seems I lose the 5% crit perk

goes away once I have chem dep stacks

does the same on blocking

and lightattack does the same, just for a splitsecond I didn't notice before

[next musk]

what the scallop

[void elk]

That does not look like a veteran

[neon current]

its the new improved one

[red robin]

Damn

Those balance changes look neat

But god damn

Another patch (seemingly) with no devils claw adjustments

[hollow ibex]

dw

soulblaze got buffed

[bold grail]

whats the best wep for the adept assassin/weapon specialist penance? been using the surgical revolver but feels like i can only get 1 or 2 kills per keystone activation. would crit build recon lasgun be a better option?

[red robin]

Bright side shovel got some love

[red robin]

Double barrel

Does that need headshots or just kills?

[bold grail]

critical weakspot so yeah

[red robin]

Hmmm

[tame lodge]

It's not going to be recon then

💀

[bold grail]

was the only reason i am using the revolver since i can use surgical for the crit

[red robin]

Lawbringer shotgun special shot good for aoe crit

Line up heads

I think they renamed it, but it’s the cleave special ammo shotgun

[bold grail]

double barrel or combat?

[red robin]

Combat I forgot names

Might not be as effective as I remember

[tame lodge]

Lawbringer was renamed into Zarona

[red robin]

I think I got that penance just with any gun, but I remember marksmen focus penance was easy to do with wide cleave shotgun special

But this one’s for weapon specialist, crit and weakspot kind of a annoying requirement, I’d say one of the automatic weapons or guns that can shred hordes with headshots and easy crit access is the science

[bold grail]

only counts elite/special enemies

[red robin]

Oooo

Just stick to revolver then

Breakpoints and such, good access to crit and weakspot

[gentle rapids]

I think I used an infantry autogun for that one. Big mag size meant I could spray transfer during groups of elites and stack kills.

[red robin]

Man, I kinda miss when hotshot blessing applied unintentionally to melee

80% hit mass reduction on weakspot was super fun with the claw sword, overkill on cleave but I liked it

But I can see that being busted as hell on hivescum with their poison dart gun

[quiet lark]

revolver is the best, it's not like it's hard to get weapon spec stacks

[gentle lake]

I should make a revolver + tac axe exec stance build

[lunar maple]

Tf are you

[gentle lake]

def goes good w weapon specialist

[lunar maple]

John marston

[gentle lake]

yes

[lunar maple]

Bro

I have a core memory

Playing red dead 1 online

My friend killed my horse and started trampling me

Like running over me turn around repeat

I get a chance before I die and throw my tomahawk and it hits his horse square in the brain

The horse goes head first into the ground like it turned 90 degrees

My friend gets flung past me

Straight into the ground like 190 miles per hour

His skull gets pushed through his ribs and out his ass basically

I remember he was somehow barely alive and I think I blasted his shit clean smoof off point blank with a shot gun

It was a lot of just out of breath cursing and shouting and laughing and cry scream laughing

If you feel bad for his horse he trampled me with it like 5 times in a row atleast

Also he shot my horse in the fucking head lol

[drowsy perch]

if only revolver wasnt fucked rn

[gentle lake]

wdym

[drowsy perch]

the hitreg is real bad for it

shots either dont register or for some reason count as a bodyshot when its weakspot

[gentle lake]

ah

hmm

is hit and run a good blessing

does it count melee kills

Death splitter too

nvm

ranged only

sad

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[tall torrent]

noe

[gentle lake]

upsetting

[lunar maple]

Question does only in death does duty end, and leave no one behind effect eachother?

[hearty panther]

the damage reduction yes

[slow sky]

no, it does not proc that talent whatsoever

only manual revives proc it

[hearty panther]

oh, really?

sad

[tame lodge]

Casual Death duty L

[lunar maple]

Does rending strikes seem any useful ?

I used to use it

10% rending to all weapons

[lunar maple]

Thank you for respond

[tame lodge]

Weapon dependant

iLas likes it

[lunar maple]

I main Chainsword

Using inf las rn

Been fan of it since It since it was buffed

[lunar maple]

Well HOT DAWG

Just my luck

Thanks

Is withering fire worth getting also with it or eh ?

[tame lodge]

Imo it's eh but like

It makes iLas cleave go from 1.5 to 2.25 cleave

[somber axle]

Depends on the weapon

Helbores and Recon Mk XIV I'd say yes because those have base 3 cleave. Helbore Mk V has a fast enough charge rate to go Surgical/Hot Shot for an effective 9 cleave. Recon Mk XIV can go Deathspitter/Dum Dum and squeeze a little more cleave for funnier horde clear

Those are just two examples

I wouldn't for any Infantry Lasgun because their base cleave is too low

Plasma also has 18 cleave which is so much you don't need Withering Fire

[hollow ibex]

3 cleave is prob the sweet spot to start taking wifi tbh

[tall torrent]

insane abbreviation

[lunar maple]

Thank youuu

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[willow prairie]

hey babe i heard you like doomed yuri @tall torrent

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[quiet lark]

holy shit i love doomed yuri

[hollow ibex]

cmon it's not bad as hiv

[tall torrent]

I don't tho

art looks nice tho

[drowsy perch]

how does exhilerating takedown work?

like once it hits 3 stacks does it just stop working until a stack fades?

or is that purely for the damage reduction and it still gives 15% toughness on ranged weakspot kill

[quiet lark]

you'll get the toughness and refresh the tdr

[crimson garden]

What’s a good balanced weapon setup for vet?

[dry cloak]

Build dependent

[crimson garden]

Fair enough. What’s a good partner for the power falchion?

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6 double Barrel

https://tenor.com/view/moe-self-defense-funk-dance-gun-gif-16508959

[crimson garden]

Power swords are up there for “good brain chemicals” in warhammer for me. Only weapon that beats it is the chain sword

[tame lodge]

Notice how Moe shot 3 times

[crimson garden]

Mmm yes, secret third bullet

[brave acorn]

I run it with mk5 infantry autogun

[thorn lark]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-11-6-patch-notes/121381

[drowsy perch]

and thats pretty good

[void elk]

heavy laspistol for commissar larp

[edgy grotto]

@drowsy perch they still cap out at 40% and it literally only takes 2 weakspot hits to max out at 40, so all onslaught does is give your second melee hit 2.5% brittleness, it's trash

[willow prairie]

brittleness of the same kind do not stack

[slow sky]

Yeah there is no reason to use both

Granted the same was true with old uncanny cuz it hit the hard cap on rending bonus anyway

[drowsy perch]

ok thats dumb but also weird that i got increased damage

[edgy grotto]

I wouldn't say it's dumb, it'd be way more dumb if it stacked to 80% brittleness, you put that and skullcrusher on an enemy and they'd just get Thanos snapped by whatever hit them

[ancient path]

damn my krak grenades

i cant 3d print as many krak grenades

[willow prairie]

krak nerf is really unnecessary lmao

[slow sky]

Kraks were kinda stupid

[edgy grotto]

you also wont need as many of them in theory, less carapace to krak after all

[slow sky]

Also their potency in lower difficulties was increasingly oppressive

(Yes we have to keep lower difficulties in mind)

You'd have enough kraks to kill every crusher, bulwark, and boss the moment one spawned

A lot of that still bled into higher ones too, up until there were walls of armor

Now theres another issue
Wall of armor also get nuked by your regenning kraks

[ancient path]

you will fight crushers, gamer.

[surreal rune]

apolgy for bad english

where were u wen uncanny strike die

i was at house eating dorito when phone ring

"uncanny strike is kill"

"no"

[pseudo fiber]

*"yay"

[pastel yew]

I think this is to make it so Kraks don't bulldoze higher difficulties with the decreased crusher spawn rates, it'd perhaps not be necessary in current patch but you need to think that Kraks are just instant killing some % of crushers. Rough numbers that arent reflective but if you could 1 shot 1/3 of crushers before, and we get 1/3rd less post patch, now kraks singlehandedly are killing 50% of all crushers. etc

without a cooldown hit, they'd be getting buffed by system changes

[willow prairie]

yeah i get it now

[pastel yew]

honestly I do not like the way they're going about changing crushers though

I feel like reducing the numbers and not the how polarizing carapace is will do little to fix the problem

you still need specific gear to be able to kill them, now you just have to kill slightly less of them

frag grenades are getting nerfed a lot harder by the changes due to uncanny nerf, though I guess there are still blessings for melee weapons that give raw strength that boost them

power sword gets one though I'm not sure if thats worth giving up their other better blessings

[hearty panther]

ngl the "you need specific weapons or you cant do anything" line with crusher discourse has always been a canard to me

literally everything can deal with crushers its just a question of speed and efficacy. you might have to spend more time not getting hit with a heavy sword than a thunder hammer but that's it

[atomic void]

no big conga lines means 1-2 shotting them isnt as relevant as before

[willow prairie]

the problem is that speed and efficiency matter

[hearty panther]

of course

there's also three other players on your team

[willow prairie]

that the whole problem with cara

[willow prairie]

this is exactly why we have zero variety in this game

[hearty panther]

so unless you're all running taxes you really shouldnt worry (and even then)

[willow prairie]

taxe have average cara dps on most class

[hearty panther]

yes its because gamers are lame

[willow prairie]

it's not bad

[haughty acorn]

In a vacuum, anything can deal with anything. When thrown into the context of an army of carapace, 2 dogs, and Trapper, some bursters...
Dealing with that stuff needs to be quick in order to minimize complication.

[willow prairie]

you can say whatever you want but this won't make me bring like hsword to havoc still

[atomic void]

nah the problem with cara outside the congalines was people refusing to learn how to fight them

[hearty panther]

gamer spotted

[atomic void]

dt playerbase is very afraid of a big enemy with a slow overhead

[hearty panther]

people just refuse to learn or dont want to feel inadequate for even ten seconds

its really not a big deal

aaaaaaaah fuck my allergies this morning

neighbour mowing his lawn at 7am piece of fucking shit

you know its officially spring when the sweet sound of socially inept dickweeds power up their leafblowers at the first ray of sunlight

im gonna go piss on his lawn

[turbid ibex]

Honestly quite incredible

[grand perch]

update broke my sword

[hearty panther]

no it just transcended

[grand perch]

time for dark souls broken blade run

[pastel yew]

there are some weapons where the speed at which you can kill these targets is so abysmally slow as to make it unpractical, a weapon that does a single point of damage to a crusher will eventually kill them but obviously it's too slow. There's some point ahead of that where the weapons do become practical, and unfortunately a lot of the weapons in the game tend to fall behind that point.

the reason this is so stupid to me is that weapons that CAN deal with carapace, are barely worse IF AT ALL than weapons that cannot at doing other tasks

melee weapons that can deal with carapace aren't usually being penalised at horde clear for example, and in the cases where they are (combat blade and DS) it doesn't matter because they have such nutty defence/mobility that they can ignore the horde mostly

[pseudo fiber]

Accurate dclaw power level

[pastel yew]

this is the main issue with it being so polarizing to me, if weapons were trading off strengths properly maybe it'd be less obnoxious

topical for the devils claw

[tame lodge]

Anime sword looking ahh

[pastel yew]

IDK I learned pretty quick that the instant you dont bring something to deal with a specific threat you're going to get matched with people that also didnt and are now severely lacking. There's a point of critical density where players having this mentality suddenly leading to teams lacking, vs just everyone making sure they packed the tools they need individually

that or they have the tools and don't prio

[hearty panther]

I don't really care in quickplay, that's the nature of it. Sometimes you're dropped into a live match so it's not even like an option presented itself to make an optimal team

In havoc its entirely by choice

And it remains the case that you will not immediately lose against crushers on sight just for bringing an underperforming carapace weapon

[pastel yew]

no but there will become situations where you're effectively dead weight that were entirely avoidable

and again, it's not like weapons that can deal with carapace have trade offs to factor that in

[azure shell]

gotta love that shredder nerf....

[hearty panther]

Really what I'm hearing is some weapons are too strong against carapace

[pastel yew]

yeah and this would be a fine alternative fix

but reducing the number of carapace enemies doesnt do that

its a bandaid fix

[hearty panther]

But that's also not the popular framing right

It's not "these weapons are too good against carapace" its "carapace scary so i have to run the good weapons"

Carapace really isn't that scary

[pastel yew]

even if we were to nerf those weaposn though, imo shit like this should not exist

ideally both the upper and lower limits were squashed some

[hearty panther]

Where's Ainz with their solo psyker rotten armor attempt list? Maulers kill then like 50% of runs and they're mostly flak lmao

[pastel yew]

so the worst examples werent as useless, and the best werent so adept at it unless they're coming with other trade offs like the chainaxe / thunderhammer

[pastel yew]

is that not a result of them having a one shot capable attack

rather than being difficult to kill

[hearty panther]

yes, which is why crushers are menacing.

they too can squish you flat

[pastel yew]

tbh I don't like the framing of killing carapace as difficult to begin with when the more accurate descriptor is tedious

[hearty panther]

I can't fucken bReeaaaAth

[azure shell]

Basically nothing changed melee wise, you'll still run dueling sword, you'll still never run shovel unless you're playing auric. Big nerf to shredders in general.

[hearty panther]

shreddies will be just fine

[pastel yew]

idk to put long ramblings short. no weapon should be borderline useless or take a million years to kill carapace, weapons that clear carapace quickly should have other drawbacks to account for that, reducing spawns without adjusting ADMs doesn't fix the issue it just makes you have to be annoyed by it less

[hearty panther]

still big aoe stagger

two will still drop most enemies

[azure shell]

I mean the difference in damage without the rending form uncanny strike is substantial, no they won't 😄

[hearty panther]

three will do the rest

Just no more melting carapace packs

[pastel yew]

I mean shredders took two nerfs, the health pool changes and then uncanny being nerfed

[azure shell]

well it certainly won't hit break points as it used to,, which in high havoc, obviously matters

[hearty panther]

plus shorter replenish cooldown

[pastel yew]

only shorter because kraks are getting nerfed

[hearty panther]

really the meta remains smokies

[pastel yew]

and kraks arent even getting nerfed

they're being adjusted to keep up with system changes to account for lower spawn density

they should still perform generally as well as they were

[azure shell]

I still think kraks were only worth it if you ran double vet in a group, shredders way too good in general to use kraks as a 1 vet team

[pastel yew]

I mean it depends, they're a lot more of a choice between them then used to be

I had mentioned earlier as well that sources of strength will still boost your bleed damage

though yeah its a heavy hit

[azure shell]

Yeah they're insane vs armor but half the time I feel like killing mixed hordes is way more important.

and now without rending, you will run into the situation where everything is left with 1 hp and those gunners that would have died before uncanny nerf will mow you down 🙂

[pastel yew]

hopefully if frags do fall behind some they'll get adjusted but, eh

how long was ogryn grenade useless

did that even get fixed

[tawny badger]

instead of 500 crushers it's now 500(-1) scab ragers

[azure shell]

but yeah, psyker gets soulblaze and fire staff buffs!

the fuck?!

[pastel yew]

it is kinda odd that they got buffs to account for the lost damage from uncanny but nothing else did

I guess maybe nerfing the dueling sword was already 1 too many major balance change for the patch and they didnt want to risk angering people

I mean what would they run of we balanced all the overperforming outliers

[azure shell]

well it didn't achieve anything, there's still nothing better than the dueling sword, yeah sure, power sword, but the underlying problem is the movement that dueling sword grants you, having that mobility is way too good

[pastel yew]

my faith in darktide ever being properly balanced is effectively 0

we will continue to follow the meta of power creep into massive sweeping health adjustments till we die

[hearty panther]

most players were not doing uncanny soulblaze chicanery

[tawny badger]

well that and power sword being borderline useless w/o empowering it

[pastel yew]

doesn't much matter though when you can just continue to use it whilst empowered

[turbid ibex]

Power sword is way stronger than duelling

[pastel yew]

stronger but harder

since its defensively kinda weak

where the ds anyone can pick up and do well

[azure shell]

well it's they're fault cuz they designed blessings so bad, "let's make a blessing that gives an armor penetration buff, on a weapon that already does good armor penetration, oh wait, but that buff buffs everything else as well. Let's not touch it for years and then suddenly remove it, it can't have side effects right?" :))

[pastel yew]

I like that it wasnt even fixed

they just

removed it giving rending and made it brittleness instead

peak

[azure shell]

still feels you're forced to run it right?

[pastel yew]

I do like brittleness more though typically, team damage boost but the max % is always much lower to account

[hearty panther]

single target vs player buff is a pretty huge nerf

so fucken overdue

[pastel yew]

idk I feel like you can just run other damage and you'll probably be happy even still you just wont be exploding crushers

combat blade has a lot of fun blessing combos

not sure about the ds

[hearty panther]

youll still be running uncanny on some weps

the rest of your build may adjust because of the loss of dot interaction

[azure shell]

I mean, i've played countless games and it's the same pattern everywhere, it's never well balanced, some balance changes seem pretty obvious, yet they're never done in a timely manner, or at all.

luckily this is a pve game at least

[hearty panther]

like i might finally be dumping perilous combustion

[pastel yew]

I'm convinced the devs do not play their game at any real difficulty

I dont mean that to be insulting

just

I can't see the logic of some decisions if thats not the case

[tawny badger]

average swedish game dev

[azure shell]

it's a pattern you see in all online games tbh

[hearty panther]

The devs have been pretty clear that outside of some crazy shit they have no interest in actually making something like havoc 40 balanced at the cost of all the lower difficulties

[pastel yew]

havoc was already a patch fix for them power creeping havoc into being the normal/easy difficulty

[hearty panther]

There'll be like 3000 players on and maybe 100 are doing H25+

[pastel yew]

havocs introduction genuinely killed my interest in the game

[turbid ibex]

g game

[pastel yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234021932714823740/1371091743591891044/caption-79.gif

[turbid ibex]

:3

[azure shell]

devs think they know better all the time, seems some changes are not even tested, they never seem to listen to all the theorycrafters putting thousands of hours into their game and suggesting rational changes.

[hearty panther]

devs own the game my guy

[azure shell]

take the Shovel change

i went into psychanium

it's still mediocre as hell

:))

[hearty panther]

also i would bin 99.999% of all player suggestions

[azure shell]

literally could have been not done at all and i wouldn't have felt a difference

[pastel yew]

I Feel like too many balance decisions are made around appeasing a crowd that don't understand what they want or the harm it causes the game in the long run

[azure shell]

eh, it depends, but there are high level players out there that suggest some good changes that are well thought out and they are completely ignored.

[turbid ibex]

So true bestie

[pastel yew]

also some things are just genuinely perplexing. Fatshark got their pipette out trying to carefully add the smallest amounts of power to underperforming weapons like infantry las or thunderhammer

and then just go "hell yeah what if we straight up buffed the best handful of weapons majorly"

plasmagun being buffed when at the time it was either the strongest weapon or top 3

not even insignificantly

[azure shell]

exactly this, this is another pattern i notice in online game balance, obvious underperforming weapons, abilities or whatever, given incremental minimal buffs that don't do anything every few months

it's like, wtf could even happen if you made it meta

it's not even a pvp game

right now you have dueling sword meta for 2 years

[pastel yew]

I loved them finally buffing shotguns into a good state, only to immediately send them back to the dumpster by increasing enemy health pools massively

[azure shell]

would still be a good change if something replaced it as meta, sure it wouldn't fix the game in the long run, cause you want multiple viable weapons, but just the fact that there's a new weapon at the top would bring ppl back

[hearty panther]

agrip is one of the best guns in the game

[pastel yew]

I've not used it since the healthpool changes

I'd imagine its still killer

[hearty panther]

its utilitarian as fuck

This is like the crushers again

[atomic void]

what is this mentality with shitting on devs lol its literally their game

[hearty panther]

Bell curve meme "utility is good" "nooooo killing is the best utility" "utility is good" .jpg

[azure shell]

I mean, i can think of a buff that would make vet a lot more fun right now, make vigilant autoguns penetrate armor so you can actually use them for something, they're horde clear is 0 anyway, it wouldn't make the class broken, the weapons baseline design makes it impossible to make it too strong anyway, because guess what, you have the fucking plasma gun which is better than any other weapon will ever be by just its design and 0 downsides

[pastel yew]

I mean in this case it is kinda true though

[unreal nova]

It's same or worse in a way. No diff without uncanny, uncanny is just weaker.

[pastel yew]

idk I wish we got more frequent balance from the top end of players rather than the rare changes we get that have motivation and intent so indecipherable it's like reading hieroglyphs

[atomic void]

FS cant balance for shit but im seeing way too many people acting like the devs are committing a crime for attempting to mold their game into their own vision lol

look at slay the spire 2 reviews

u would thin kthe dev boiled babies alive

[pastel yew]

slay the spire 2s main difference is that its people that are shit at the game complaining about good changes

[azure shell]

not shitting, just making observations, it's they're game sure, but they make money from keeping players playing the game. They're basically afraid of big meta swings but that doesn't really affect the game in a bad way cuz it's a pve game, so they have rome to move in this department. They should be less afraid of big sweeping changes to weapons at least.

[pastel yew]

darktide genuinely feels like some changes are decided on by dice roll

[hearty panther]

You'll find most people are indeed playing

[atomic void]

they're afraid of big sweeping changes because of negative reviews
look at recent reviews from today

tons of negative ones with 0 hours played recently

[thorn lark]

chinese bots

[atomic void]

the playerbase hates nerfs

[pastel yew]

honestly people complaining about important balance deserve all the clown reacts they get

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/china-gif-26678009

[azure shell]

I mean, you'd think the game would get negative reviews if let's say, freaking heavy sword became the new meta weapon over dueling sword? And i'm not saying that it's good to just switch meta, i want all weapons to be viable.

[hearty panther]

yes

[pastel yew]

heavysword should be top1

[unreal nova]

Some patches feel like AI did it even, with how the weirdest things break.

[atomic void]

bringing other weapons to the broken weapons level is exactly what will make this game so much worse lol

[hearty panther]

they sidegraded dueling sword with the parry like a year ago and people lost their minds lmao

[atomic void]

the reason why havoc was made in the first place is because the player is too strong

[hearty panther]

happens every time the braindead shit gets a nerf

[atomic void]

u want to make them even stronger

[pastel yew]

I saw theres a bug thats been in the game forever where captain shields can one shot you after you go down an elevator as sometimes it doesnt correctly reset your height and so treats it like you fell like 30m

semi related, just funny

[unreal nova]

Never fixed for like over a year now.

[azure shell]

I'm just saying the meta has been so stale for so long, even a bad for the future change like just replacing dueling sword with another weapon at the top would still be a good change at this point. Obviously I'd want a patch where you could choose from 5 different weapons or more cuz they're all viable and good

[unreal nova]

Been there from start of havoc till now.

Might have been broken from before even.

[pastel yew]

exactly this, instead of fixing their game they pushed a weak alt mode to act as containment for players that wanted challenge

[azure shell]

Don't even get me started about havoc, I would introduce a hotfix in the next hour, simple change, increase ammo drops so ranged builds are actually viable. Would make the game mode so much more varied.

[pastel yew]

the shitty thing is that balance got worse bacause rather than nerf overperforming weapons they increased the health pools which made a lot of already weak/underperforming weapons even worse comparatively whilst those at the top remained stable

[atomic void]

okay but this is a band aid fix
Replace a problem weapon with another problem weapon
simply bring all the insane overpreforms to more normal levels and make underpreformers more fun but this will lead to the entirity of china quitting soooooo

also if u want a truth nuke a lot of stuff is viable in this game it just depends on skill level

[azure shell]

Yes, i mentioned it is a bandaid, and sohuldn't be the ideal. But the meta is so stale, even a bandaid lazy fix like this would make the game feel fresh. That was my point.

[atomic void]

u dont have to play at the absolute highest diffs if u cant cut it without the best builds

i know my limit so u wont see me attempting that

[azure shell]

The best builds push you towards meleetide. Why?

[pastel yew]

this is like saying the broken straight sword in darksword is viable because people have beaten the game with it, technically true but ultimately not relevant

weapons should be balanced against eachother and the difficulty set out by the game

[atomic void]

no im saying people are too relient on crutches

[atomic void]

its a melee centric game

[azure shell]

Why should Vraks build be not viable in havoc?

[atomic void]

its a melee centric game and every aoe/dot builds just cheeses the ai lol

[turbid ibex]

The game literally labels your melee as your primary and your ranged as your secondary

[pastel yew]

some weapons being ahead of the curve does not mean that a lot of weapons arent behind it

[atomic void]

the enemies are designed around melee speed

[azure shell]

Why do classes like psykers with "infinite ammo" get to play ranged and I can't as a vet. I'm pidgeon holed into playing freaking plasma gun and recon lasgun and that's it. Why does ammo being scarce need to be a defining part of havoc? It just ruins build diversity.

[atomic void]

psyker needs a bajillion nerfs

[turbid ibex]

Vet isnt a ranged class

[unreal nova]

They are nerfing the over performers but not reverting the hp increase is the annoying part. Altfire EK is still bleah, bleed just got shot out back because devs forgot to buff it to compensate for uncanny.

[atomic void]

the solution isnt to turn every class into psyker

and vet isnt a ranged class

[pastel yew]

instructions unclear, buffing them again and again and again

[turbid ibex]

Theyre much more hybrid class

[pastel yew]

isnt it only uncanny and ds being nerfed directly?

I guess some rending changes but other weapons remain nuts

[unreal nova]

Bleed used to also be buffed by uncanny.

[atomic void]

i dont disagree im just saying there are too many people who cant hang in the higher diffs but instead of choosing to lower the diff they limit themselves to playing 1 weapon
just lower the diff man lol

[azure shell]

As I said, the simplest "fix" right now for havoc would be to just increase ammo drops so you can play ANYTHING else besides plasmagun and recon lasgun.

[pastel yew]

I agree yeah

[unreal nova]

Is the worst DoT, didn't even get a slight buff.

[pastel yew]

dots in general are fucked and need to be completely redesigned

[atomic void]

also ammo being scarce is a thing to make u manage your resources aka the whole point of the mode

[unreal nova]

Yet they buffed soulblaze.

[turbid ibex]

Helbore, revolver, vigilant, double barrel etc

[pastel yew]

idk they made toxin and thats generally how I think they should perform

[thorn lark]

I don't understand your ammo problem

[pastel yew]

strong but minimally boostable

[atomic void]

people literally run shotguns and las pistol bro lol

[azure shell]

it's 2 much for some weapons like infantry autogun, or combat shottie.

[unreal nova]

Chem tox is insanely op compared.

[tawny badger]

the only thing that should be meta is combat blade punch

[unreal nova]

Even without rending and such.

[pastel yew]

yeah because its damage numbers are mad, but I'm more referring to it generally being good standalone

[thorn lark]

every class has way to make the resources scarcity trivial

[pastel yew]

rather than requiring a shit load of targets or rending

from what I remember toxin was barely boosted by rending