veteran-class

[drowsy perch]

tiny ass buff

not gonna remotely make up for the lack of rending

[slow sky]

It just has too hard of a competition with other blessings

0 to 0.2

The attacks did no damage before

That is infinitely higher

[drowsy perch]

still nothing compared to the rending its losing

[tidal fox]

but is da shovel meant for killing doe

[drowsy perch]

yes

[unreal nova]

Still too little to compensate.

[tame lodge]

💀

[drowsy perch]

shovels are meant for unarmored horde or single targets

[slow sky]

Even if it was 0.05 to 0.2, thats still a 4x increase

[drowsy perch]

now theyre gonna be shit against single target

[tidal fox]

my teammates watchin me do all this bullshit instead of just being the ranged class

[slow sky]

They got like all of their attacks buffed

[unreal nova]

And talking purely about shovel here. Knoife may need a buff as well.

[desert viper]

and the britleness will make it so that the damage gets even higher on enemies

[slow sky]

Lmfaoooooooo

[hybrid plover]

Please god no

[tame lodge]

your shovel is laced if it took 15 seconds

[hybrid plover]

PLEASE NO

[desert viper]

never say that again

[slow sky]

Knife is one of th3 weapons least affected

[toxic reef]

"the ranged class" 💀

[slow sky]

It hits the adm of 1 with newcanny

[hybrid plover]

At 40% brittleness it's pretty much already doing full damage on the attacks you actually want to hit bigger targets with

And that's fine.

[unreal nova]

Shovel needing a buff? I will say it again.

[desert viper]

2 hits for max brittleness btw

[desert viper]

no, knife needing a buff

[drowsy perch]

and i wasnt saying 0.05 to 0.2, i was saying they buffed each stat by only that range

[hybrid plover]

120% rending hass been extremely overkill for a long time

It's about time

[drowsy perch]

each attack got 0.05 to 0.2 more

[drowsy perch]

shovel needed it

[desert viper]

if the target you hit with combat knife is not dead after the first stab then it isn't a human sized target

in which case

the second or third stab will definetly do it

[slow sky]

They also buffed its damage against maniac from 0.5 to 0.75, you can now one shot ragers with the PA

[hybrid plover]

I feel the need to mention

A small change in ADMs

Is not a small change in damage to that armor type

It's the same reason that despite Rending Strikes only having 10% rending

[unreal nova]

I guess skullcrusher decimator meta now.

[hybrid plover]

It's still picked

Because 10% rending is actually quite significant on its own

[slow sky]

An increase of 0.1 to an adm of 0.25 is functionally 40% more damage for that attack

[drowsy perch]

yeah

and 40% brittle is nothing

genuinely

[desert viper]

that's just objectively wrong

[drowsy perch]

considering 40% is the max

no

that is ass

shovel doesnt even have good cleave against armor

literally like the worst weapon to have brittle

[slow sky]

What are you even saying

[hybrid plover]

What are you talking about

[slow sky]

Wdym it had bad cleave against armor

[drowsy perch]

it gets stopped by a single guy in armor

[slow sky]

Why specifically "against armor"

[slow sky]

Carapace????

[hybrid plover]

...Because of carapace override?

[slow sky]

Like every other weapon????

[hybrid plover]

That's not the shovel

That's literally every other weapon

[drowsy perch]

false

[fluid shadow]

Shovel is fine

[hybrid plover]

It cleaves through flak just fine.

[quiet lark]

every weapon in the game wihtout perfect strike or sunder

[hybrid plover]

Moth

Please refrain

That's not a specific thing to shovel

[tame lodge]

It's true

Shovel doesn't have good cleave armor

[drowsy perch]

with rending it was

[desert viper]

this is really not the hill you should want to die on

[hybrid plover]

Every weapon has that caveat unless they're running a blessing that explicitly lets them ignore it

[fluid shadow]

I play a kriegsman helborn shovel build, and it can clear flak fine, if i really need it i just use a krak at my feet

[slow sky]

Name me one weapon, without a blessing, that can do that innately
There is only 1 melee that can currently and it is borderline negligible

[tame lodge]

Another loss for weapons without Sunder, perfect strike unstoppable Force or brutal Momentum

🗣️

[quiet lark]

crusher special?

[hybrid plover]

Perfect Strike lovers rise up

[drowsy perch]

with uncanny?

[slow sky]

That hitstops on carapace

[quiet lark]

ah shoot what is it

[willow prairie]

and hsword is still not enough to clear crusher hitmass lol

[toxic reef]

oggy shield h2?

[willow prairie]

also yesh crusher special

[slow sky]

What

[willow prairie]

oggy h2 have infinite cleave but it doesn't bypass carapace

[drowsy perch]

its a bs change that shovel shouldnt have been hit with

[slow sky]

the light that does override it also ignores 75% hitmass so it does

moth

i have played the changes

they are fine

[quiet lark]

i'm getting conflicting answers 😭

[slow sky]

the shovel
its fine

[hybrid plover]

you mean the special?

[drowsy perch]

it also means a bunch of other weapons are getting fucked by this

[hybrid plover]

as in like

[unreal nova]

I guess start using skullcrusher decimator.

[drowsy perch]

since US was on a bunch

[hybrid plover]

the light after special?

because that move has a lot of cleave

[tame lodge]

I agree

it took 3 hits

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tame lodge]

instead of 2

[willow prairie]

that one

[tame lodge]

to kill that last mauler

[unreal nova]

Because you won't get 1:1 old uncanny shovel.

[desert viper]

I promise you all the weapons that had uncanny did not need uncanny. it's just an abused blessing

[hybrid plover]

ahem

good

Uncanny deserves the nerf.

[drowsy perch]

shovel absolutely needed it

for anything auric or higher

[hybrid plover]

It's getting buffed 😭

[slow sky]

shovel and force swords are getting innate buffs to carapace, and baseline, to compensate

[tame lodge]

It has a mass modifier against carapace

[slow sky]

the others are the reason its being nerfed in the first place

[desert viper]

and it's getting changed so that it can hit carapace without deflecting

[tame lodge]

So it can cleave through

[hybrid plover]

I know

[drowsy perch]

not gonna be enough

[hybrid plover]

Cleave override and all.

[unreal nova]

3 folds that leave you open?

[drowsy perch]

we took away 120% rending and gave u tiny increases to adm

[desert viper]

ok

[drowsy perch]

waow

[desert viper]

I'm getting upset

so I'm gonna step away now

[slow sky]

idk i did just fine with deci skullcrusher just fine before in havoc

[tame lodge]

yea, ignore the other 2 shots

[slow sky]

and now that just got buffed

[hybrid plover]

You see my name. I understand the way of the Heavy Sword

[tame lodge]

true

[slow sky]

was uncanny better? yes
but deci sc was fun

and still good

and now its better

[hybrid plover]

You know

Actually

Hold on, you're right

[drowsy perch]

literally just started using shovel again and bought a fucking cosmetic for it

[hybrid plover]

If shovel do the better armor damage

[drowsy perch]

and now im gonna have to dump it because its gonna be hot shit against armor

[hybrid plover]

...I can use skullcrusher

[drowsy perch]

i liked it because it was good for horde and single target armor

[hybrid plover]

[drowsy perch]

now its gonna be shit against anything but horde

[slow sky]

and skullcrusher makes horde clear significantly faster, especially with serrated

plus elites too

[drowsy perch]

and still 40% max fucking brittle from a blessing

thats genuine garbage

[hybrid plover]

Literally just doing double damage by swinging your shovel

[slow sky]

HOLY SHIT

[hybrid plover]

lmao

Well

[willow prairie]

uh

[hybrid plover]

Not literally

[drowsy perch]

why the fuck would anybody use it

[hybrid plover]

More like

[tame lodge]

it was always shit

[slow sky]

40% BRITTLENESS IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE

[hybrid plover]

80%

[tame lodge]

so its not changing

[drowsy perch]

like isnt that the worst brittle blessing there is now

[hybrid plover]

it's not 😭

Thunderous, is right there.

[tame lodge]

its not even good for hordes

[unreal nova]

That's dog.

[slow sky]

its literally 2x as good as thunderous

[drowsy perch]

talent isnt a blessing

[fluid shadow]

Why argue about this when you can just decide to use the weapon or not and move on

[slow sky]

shattering impact also stacks 2x slower and costs ammo too

[slow sky]

thunderous and shattering are blessings

[tame lodge]

weak aura

[drowsy perch]

because i like the fucking shovel and i just bought a fucking cosmetic for it

and now its being made hot shit for anything above auric

[fluid shadow]

So did i and i still use it

[toxic reef]

idt brittleness is weak, I just don't really like that it's target dependent

[tame lodge]

it was always shit

[toxic reef]

but skullcrusher sounds fun at least

[tame lodge]

so nothing changed

[unreal nova]

Shattering is also broken on certain guns because it affects explosion.

[willow prairie]

skullcrusher alway been good

[hybrid plover]

wait, until it comes out, so you can make that darn conclusion proper instead of immediately assuming it's gonna be hot ass

[slow sky]

except people who have used it for way longer in way harder difficulties are telling you its not, including people who have used it with the changes in play

[fluid shadow]

We have serrated + shredder frags/kraks for a reason people

[willow prairie]

it just have trouble vs bosses and crusher on stagger cd

[drowsy perch]

because it hasnt been nerfed yet

[unreal nova]

So maybe it needs a fix as well?

[desert viper]

this is why you don't crutch on blessings to like a weapon by the way

[drowsy perch]

u also never answered if youre using uncanny

[tame lodge]

technically its a hit

[slow sky]

it happens every time

[willow prairie]

bromentum....

[tame lodge]

so shrimp will keep shrimping

[fluid shadow]

Ill probably still use it bc i dont get pissy if my favorite weapon gets nerfed, i just find a way to make it good again

[drowsy perch]

well i would use revolver against armor but its fucking impossible to use with how absolutely garbage the servers are right now

[willow prairie]

i mean scum can run headtaker + deci but scum make everything better

[slow sky]

this is why mandatory blessings need to not be a thing

[drowsy perch]

half the fucking shots dont register

[hybrid plover]

Don't take my Perfect Strike away from me 😭

They've done nothing wrong

Bulwarks are the bane of my existence

[willow prairie]

try harder

[slow sky]

if the weapon only works well when you have a specific blessing
its poorly designed and needs to change
luckily
they did that this patch

[unreal nova]

There's a reason my bistol is actually 22 shots.

[willow prairie]

I mean power cycler, power surge, bromentum still exist

[slow sky]

and i dont like that they exist

[drowsy perch]

ok and

[slow sky]

bromentum is the bane of my existence in terms of design

[drowsy perch]

"the thing you like is getting nerfed but theres other stuff thats good"

???

i dont want to use other stuff i want to use the fucking thing i want to use

without it being made shit

[tame lodge]

then fucking use it

[desert viper]

this has got to be a mental blockade that stops you from understanding it isn't a nerf

[tame lodge]

[hybrid plover]

you're getting really upset about what could not be nearly as bad as you're thinking it is because you haven't tried it yet

[drowsy perch]

shovel absolutely needed rending

its 100% a nerf

[hybrid plover]

you literally can't try it yet

[tame lodge]

whats stopping you from using?

[drowsy perch]

tiny fucking adm increase is nothing

wow u do like 5 more damage

wowowowowowowoeoed

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jytd

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[desert viper]

it doesn't increase

damage

oh my God

[quiet lark]

this is NOT how adm works

[tame lodge]

what shovel needs iis better horde clear and stagger

[unreal nova]

The real issue is more, they are nerfing things without nerfing the hp of the things that were buffed because of the things being nerfed.

[tame lodge]

[toxic reef]

decimator is horde clear tho

[unreal nova]

So all niche weapons still aren't great.

[tame lodge]

cddc still exists on it

[toxic reef]

that's like the most fun thing on shovel

[hybrid plover]

...Is this update not cutting down crusher spawns by like 30%

like I know that's not the only thing that needs to be done here

[slow sky]

but they are nerfing the rate at which those things appear

and it is significant in practice

[quiet lark]

my friend wants to let you know they hope u can get caxe reworked to not require brutal momentum

[slow sky]

i cannot tell you how noticable it feels

[hybrid plover]

But there's a clear indication they're adjusting things to combat the hyperdensity

[unreal nova]

Last time they claimed to lower crushers, I saw more of them.

[desert viper]

in Everything*

this means ambient spawns. ambush waves. crowd distribution. event modifiers

[desert viper]

because that was only done for certain scenarios and excluded shit like rotten armor

this is Literally Every Scenario

[unreal nova]

Not talking rot. Just standard missions.

[toxic reef]

I still hope they have some spawn override for crusher packs hidden in some place

[desert viper]

that's why I said And

[hybrid plover]

Two things to note. Yeah it's not every instance of crusher spawn. This time it is.
And to be fair, this one is kind of an oversight on Fatshark for making it like this

But the increased density across the board kind of undid the nerf to crusher rate for that update

They won't spawn as much in one instance, but there's more instances for them to spawn.

[unreal nova]

So it was just Fatshark doing a dumb. Explains why I saw no change or even more crushers.

[hybrid plover]

So in practice, it didn't truly change the issue with crusher spawn rates

[willow prairie]

It wasn't that bad after class rework

[tame lodge]

I agree with moth

Shovel is shit

Please buff

[willow prairie]

but now more weapon are becoming viable since less crusher span

[desert viper]

higui you're harping on someone clearly unwell right now

stop being lame

[tame lodge]

No

Shovel is shit

[toxic reef]

that's their brand

[tame lodge]

I'm being truthful

[willow prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/twewy-the-world-ends-with-you-rindo-kanade-neo-twewy-gif-17389847742671752832

[tame lodge]

I'm not sugarcoating it

[desert viper]

I promise you that you've parroted this enough

[tame lodge]

Ok I'll give it a break

But it won't last long

🫡

[desert viper]

thanks

[unreal nova]

Though, would still say 30% is too little when you are getting walls of 8-12 of them every time they spawned.

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/kanade-rindo-rindo-kanade-rindo-twewy-neo-twewy-gif-6306201844814883883

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, we just have to see.

It seems Cole is more aware of how this game is gonna feel after the update since

Playtester

[slow sky]

.

[hybrid plover]

So there's gotta be some credence that it's at least noticeable.

[desert viper]

if it is as they say in truly everything then the double dipped spawns in horde events will give you like 4 to 5 crushers now

[tame lodge]

it's really funny how Cole had to highlight the significant part

[unreal nova]

You forget, they don't have avg players test the game.

[tame lodge]

cough falchion incident cough

[slow sky]

but im not talking about skill

im talking about how much armor it feels like there is

and its not a lot

even on havoc

[hybrid plover]

But they do have players that would realize something is different immediately the second the actual instance comes up.

[willow prairie]

if average player get to test darktide then scum would have infinite ammo desperado bolter

[austere mica]

They do?

[slow sky]

and yeah they do

[hybrid plover]

If anything, it's good it's not the average player because you'd need the game sense to be aware of a change like that.

[desert viper]

they have average folk in their playtesting bunch

[tame lodge]

But also you'd be encompassing all sorts of players with the avgs

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, what even is average in this game anymore?

[unreal nova]

Unless you count the devs themselves. Last time I saw. They are worse than avg. Or abusing smite.

[tame lodge]

Less than 2k hours?

[desert viper]

I don't wanna do anything but heresy, is my criteria

had a friend like that

[austere mica]

No they just have actual casuals

[slow sky]

im getting about 1k dps against crushers without uncanny with shovel, with proper staggers

[tame lodge]

Yeah there's a good amount of people stuck in heresy

Since forever

[slow sky]

its higher if i take advantage of VoC for longer SC windows

it ends up being similar to taxe light spam, if done correctly

[hybrid plover]

I'm cooked.

[desert viper]

I'm not friends with the person anymore bc she had a mental breakdown about me not wanting to do heresy after I swapped to pc

[tame lodge]

Kek

Don't worry about it

[slow sky]

oh and this is without a +cara perk

[tame lodge]

Not everyone has 2k free hours

[desert viper]

accumulated 2k hours from console time and pc time

my conclusion is a simple one

I want heatsink buffs

[tame lodge]

True

Also buff overload to 30%

[slow sky]

i remember when heatsink was stupid OP

[desert viper]

I still use it despite everyone else telling me not to

I'm too much of a chud to care about heat bar management

[hybrid plover]

The Emperor will show his mercy to me at the Golden Throne

[desert viper]

play for another 5 hours and 2 minutes

[tame lodge]

I mean
We are 1 step away from having overload heatsink meta

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-2898255711450133293

[hybrid plover]

Full time job btw

[tame lodge]

Lmfao

It's a great game though

[desert viper]

it is not unemployment. it is great passion

[hybrid plover]

It's just the perfect game

To come back home from a stressful work shift to

[unreal nova]

So it's just you. Real friends just play on a diff where everyone can enjoy on some degree. Not fun if all you do is be on the floor if their skill lvl just isn't there. Assuming no ping issues as well.

[slow sky]

you have more hours than me
-# in the real game

[hybrid plover]

To just turn your brain off and kill things

I just happened to get fixated enough to become somewhat decent at it

[hybrid plover]

Okay yeah I really am cooked if I got more hours than a playtester

[desert viper]

I don't much care for playing on any difficulty

[hybrid plover]

Though I know you got hours in other departments.

I actually wasn't there for the beta.

[desert viper]

what I do care about are my boundaries being pushed because someone can't understand the game is not to be balanced or viewed from a Heresy Difficulty perspective

[slow sky]

this isnt including the hours in test

[hybrid plover]

I KNOW

I WAS INTENDING MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE TO IMPLY THIS INFORMATION

WHY AM I CAPS LOCKED

[desert viper]

unlock yourself pls

[tame lodge]

You should unlock yourself

NOW

[hybrid plover]

No.

Wait.

Shit

[austere mica]

My fucking brainworm
Why

[tame lodge]

Sleeper agent activation code

[austere mica]

The Index sleeper agent prescript

[unreal nova]

So difficulties are boundaries now? Sure, gatekeep more elitist.

[slow sky]

i swapped grenade nodes for +elite dmg and +rending

[desert viper]

not what I meant !

[slow sky]

i can now get 1k dps with 2 stab push combos, and lights in between

each light at 10 stacks of deci doing 371 dmg

still with no +cara perk

[desert viper]

oh and I get blocked too

[austere mica]

General chat dwellers are very normal and well adjusted

[tame lodge]

There's no way you just said that

[hybrid plover]

Ah yes I agree

With all honesty.

And truthfulness.

[austere mica]

Do they Know?

[desert viper]

as a gen chat dweller I can agree

[slow sky]

anyway
properly build shovel with no uncanny deals with crushers pretty decently with the adjustments

not amazingly, but it was never going to

but it hovers around taxe light spam dps when executed properly which is considered fairly decent at armor

[tame lodge]

Shovel moment

[hybrid plover]

It may not be the fastest.

But I'll be damned to live without shovel bonk

[desert viper]

it does its job

like an old laptop that can still play you spotify music

[slow sky]

when SC finally gets its due nerfs tho, thats when id like to see shovel get some finesse bumps, then the age of take a swing can finally arrive

[desert viper]

would take a swing be good with horizontal PAs if that happens

[slow sky]

hold on

lets

fuckin

slap onslaught on here

[hybrid plover]

on the shovel?

[slow sky]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

lol

[desert viper]

[hybrid plover]

embed fail

[sly orchid]

Wouldnt crusher need to be adjusted too

[hybrid plover]

I was gonna say that's weird

But I realize

[slow sky]

at that point i would be evil and say
smaul and crusher
1 stack of skullcrusher innately

[hybrid plover]

SC and Deci with Onslaught

[slow sky]

exactly

[hybrid plover]

tbf I've done that with tac axe

So I can't really say that much

[slow sky]

it becomes inconsistent based on what i do

so theres a wide range of dps times

because do i lightspam to stack up, then stagger and pa spam to captialize?

if so, how much?

[sly orchid]

Ok cole hear me out

[tame lodge]

SC is never getting touched

[sly orchid]

Relentless strikes on crusher

[tame lodge]

Because they would have to adjust ogryn weapons too

[desert viper]

what is SC again

skullcrusher

?

[hybrid plover]

Skullcrusher

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher

Skrusher

[sly orchid]

Super credits

[tame lodge]

Shut

[desert viper]

I named my ogryn after that blessing

[desert viper]

there is not a better class that fits it tbh

[slow sky]

i just did 2500 damage with a crit PA

[tame lodge]

Shovel moment

[sly orchid]

Think about it crusher does need multiple hits to kill stuff

[slow sky]

if you hit about 4-5 lights, then voc and spam PAs at their head you get close to as much damage as a shred/newcanny DS with a cara perk (the shovel doesnt atm)

[sly orchid]

So relentless strikes would be very cool and awesome amd strong on it

[slow sky]

it was about 1800 dps and ds was about 2000

bear in mind newcanny barely changes DS at all

[hybrid plover]

But DS did in fact

[tame lodge]

And if you go pa heavy you don't end up cleaving and losing relentless strikes stack

[hybrid plover]

Get nerfed

[slow sky]

yes

the crit mod got dropped

[hybrid plover]

The Emperor be with us

[slow sky]

it doesnt seem like a lot

but thats a lot

are the crits still indicitive of one of the best finesse scaling weapons? yes

but is it as buttfuck stupid as it was before? no

it is still one of the best single target weapons in the game by far and people will still crutch on it tho

[hybrid plover]

I mean, fact is

It's just safe about it

[tame lodge]

The riposte attack seems unchanged so maybe Fatshark is trying to open it as an option for attacking

[hybrid plover]

Really long range heavies on fast zippy weapon

[sly orchid]

I mean

Push attacks are fast enough to keep stacks

[hybrid plover]

Also I do want to mention this

My understanding is, the new Uncanny would function as a debuff. Is the debuff applied while your weapon is switched?

As it, the enemy would still have the stacks, as you've taken out your ranged weapon.

[slow sky]

yes

[tame lodge]

That's how brittleness works yup

[sly orchid]

Do you know what brittleness is?

[slow sky]

its basically finesse weapons version of thunderous

[hybrid plover]

I know what brittleness is but I just wanted to be sure that's how it was gonna work.

[slow sky]

thats what i should call it from now on

[tame lodge]

4 seconds or something

[slow sky]

thundercanny

i am very smart

[tame lodge]

I don't like it

💀

[hybrid plover]

So yeah it ltierally is just better Thunderous across the board

[slow sky]

5s

[hybrid plover]

But my thought here is

[slow sky]

uncanny applies 20% per weakspot hit

[tame lodge]

We are not calling it unc under though

[hybrid plover]

This opens up some ideas for making ranged weapons do actual damage

Against crushers and the like

[slow sky]

so its 2x as better as thunderous, but it just has to hit the head

[tame lodge]

Well yeah

I've been saying

[slow sky]

so it cant do what thunderous does and aoe spams it via pushes

[tame lodge]

I'll be plinking crushers with ilas

If I see that my teammate has uncanny

[desert viper]

people will see that as an insult

[tame lodge]

In fact

I'll use the iLas vs carapace build

That we have somewhere around here

[hybrid plover]

The fact that you can put on demand brittleness on combat knife

[tame lodge]

It's 40% brittleness for free

[hybrid plover]

...Oh god. Gun scum is about to go bonkers

No one saw that.

[desert viper]

sure I didn't.

[tame lodge]

What abominations can I create

Knife Brauto WS

https://tenor.com/view/jon-bernthal-jon-bernthal-walking-dead-mental-breakdown-gif-4493845275730707482

Not that brittleness would matter much

[desert viper]

US shiv desperado build

[tame lodge]

Because point blank brauto is around 100% adm

[desert viper]

Make your uzis hit crushers

[silver patrol]

at that point you might aswell just kill it with stabs

[slow sky]

the issue isnt the brittleness, thats actually quite a lot

its the fact that youd need to reapply it to every enemy

thats why they went this route rather than just make it melee rending

specifically when taking into account stuff like soulblaze

[hybrid plover]

This was a hit to DoT damage

[slow sky]

but not as big as it couldve been

[tame lodge]

Yeah but in this specific case it's just because point blank brauto Adms are quite high

[slow sky]

melee rending would mean it is completely gone

brittleness means its less effective (lower cap, not global to all dotted enemies)

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, it is kind of a hit to DPS too since, you won't be able to move from one target to the next with full rending like before.

That being said.

I'm alright with that.

[slow sky]

uncanny actually got hit less hard
opportunist is melee rending now which means stuff like shield bleed took a hit

[tame lodge]

Yea

Rip

My goat

I'll never forget you buddy

[hybrid plover]

now that's kinda sad actually

[desert viper]

I was actually lamenting this the other day

[slow sky]

i will

[sly orchid]

All 2 ogryn shield enjoyers in shambles

[hybrid plover]

I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned

[desert viper]

I wish shield did more damage

[slow sky]

what other rending blessing got hit the same way

[hybrid plover]

Bladed Momentum

[slow sky]

yeah that one

[hybrid plover]

I mean.

[slow sky]

tho thats less of an issue

were you dotmaxxing with that really

[hybrid plover]

I guess if you use it, that's a nerf,

[slow sky]

ig you could be ngl

[hybrid plover]

Alright hold up

[tame lodge]

I won't let you forget

[slow sky]

you could with flamer or purg

[sly orchid]

Cole the burn adm buff indirectly buffs rumbler

[tame lodge]

Just game me fuel to pester Fatshark about buffing ogryn

[hybrid plover]

I was running that with a Perfect Strike + Bladed Momentum build, with serrated

It's.

[slow sky]

i hate compensation buffs that dont need to happen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hybrid plover]

I mean it's pretty funny

[tame lodge]

Another 500 buffs to Psyker

Glory to the emperor

[slow sky]

but i think those becoming standardized is something that needed to happen for future changes and additions

melee blessings shouldnt be letting dots ignore armor types

[sly orchid]

Whats that?

Smite needs to now deal 30% more damage?

[slow sky]

id honestly argue, especially for opportunist, it could allow for it to be raised a bit

[silver patrol]

personally, i think scrier's gaze is quite underperforming when i smash my face on the keyboard

i think it needs some buffs

[sly orchid]

Actualy i think brainburst should oneshot crushers

[tame lodge]

My nails aren't painted when I'm casting BB, therefore buff Psyker

Also direct hit carapace buff is pretty funny

[hybrid plover]

i played scrier's trauma today

[tame lodge]

Probably my last bet on what they would buff on inferno

[hybrid plover]

psyker truly is just playing a different game out here

[dapper coyote]

Tf are the differences between 2 laspistol marks?

[tame lodge]

One is good

[hybrid plover]

One shoot slow. One shoot fast.

[tame lodge]

The other is Mk10

Presumably you can just 1 shot left and right with mk10

[dapper coyote]

Any crit modifiers or other hidden stuff?

[tame lodge]

Under the right circumstances

But Mk2 has higher dps

[hybrid plover]

They both have crazy finesse modifiers and I know they have innate crit but forgot the value

Mk2 is generally the preferred option

Fast one

[silver patrol]

the other also costs 3 ammo per shot

[hybrid plover]

I'ma be real

Idek what that actually means for laser weapons

As in, the lasers being inconsistent with how much ammo they take as a number is just weird to me

[faint beacon]

Ogryn players treating this as like Catastrophic to Nuclear level nerfs

[tame lodge]

Oh also Mk2 has no sprint to fire delay iirc

[silver patrol]

i can understand if the weapon has another function that uses ammo differently

[faint beacon]

Something something Effeciency

[silver patrol]

but yeah, it's just there to trick you with the laspistol

[hybrid plover]

I guess infantry lasgun does apply here actually.

[faint beacon]

I guess idk

[hybrid plover]

But

Only that gun.

None of the others really have reason for it but, w.e

[tame lodge]

We are going to buff Ogryn melees for the 40000th time

Ogryn guns buff still in the corner

Gathering cobwebs

And dust

[hybrid plover]

But hey PBB is buffed!

[tame lodge]

Woooo that's my Fatshark

That's why they are the goat

The goat

[hybrid plover]

And buffed in a really funny way.

[junior haven]

if there was any buff you'd likely still complain

[tame lodge]

I don't complain about good buffs

[junior haven]

yeah sure

[tame lodge]

Yeah

I know myself

[desert viper]

[tame lodge]

But don't worry about it

Fatshark knows what they are doing

And there's nothing we can do about it

But consoome

[junior haven]

but endlessly complain on discord

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-xd-gif-25410380

Consoome

[slow sky]

pbb [redacted]s havocs now it so dumb

3 million damage into rotten armor with twink stubbers bro

ig man

least ammo taken

ig

[desert viper]

what the fuck does he mean by this

[faint beacon]

Unfortunately for you the masses have deemed it weak

so its weak

Smh

[slow sky]

it pillages

[desert viper]

oh I see

I thought this was an ominous ogryn teaser

[slow sky]

no this is just how it is

[sly orchid]

Thank you a.a

[hybrid plover]

balanced, as all things should be

[slow sky]

wholesome chungus gungryn (consistently more damage than purg psyker, player just needs to know when to shoot and when to melee)

it wont ever get nerfed or made reasonable because people think it still sucks

[drowsy perch]

i apologize for overreacting i am in a break stuff kind of mood because i havent had my estrogen because stupid prescription bullshit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pGn9vwoaw

[sly orchid]

Power maul so good it straight up freezes your game

[hybrid plover]

Valid. Mood swings be like that

[slow sky]

and ogryn guns cant be buffed cuz pbb is too strong when active and fixing that would require moving some of the pbb power to the ogryn guns but that means pbb gets nerfed and why would you nerf a """bad""" ability

[sly orchid]

Solution

Nerf rumbler

[silver patrol]

solution

Nerf Voice of Command

[sly orchid]

Real

[drowsy perch]

doesnt help that im already very prone to anger

[hybrid plover]

those people just havent seen a PBB Rumbler

[slow sky]

thats the only thing people think pbb can do

[hybrid plover]

I guarantee you. That's gonna get a lot more popular in the near future

[drowsy perch]

pbb rumbler so fun

tbh it was fun before the buff

i ran it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-your-gonna-die-die-ur-gonna-die-gonna-gif-2484042905016034120

[sly orchid]

Running point blank rumbler should get you flayed and salted

[drowsy perch]

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2747499635347300991

what heretics see

[tame lodge]

Smh punishing people because they are making rumbler good (50% ammo refund)

Smh

I have an idea

[junior haven]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-gaming-doomer-sad-soyjak-gif-4334764181031248669

[slow sky]

btw while you dipped out i did a bit of testing
shovel with deci-sc can reliably hit 1k dps, if can hit 1.2-1.5k if you double down on talents for it (rending and onslaught) or use voc for longer stagger, and it can hit 1.8-1.9k dps if you do both. this is without a carapace perk
for comparison, standard blessing taxe light spam with no cara perk does about 1.1-1.2k depending on crits, and ds4 with newcanny/shred and with a cara perk does 2-2.2k dps.
not meaning to come back and be rude by bringing it up again, but just rather show the actual effects in practice of the changes and how that relates to both "good" and "great" cara dps options instead of just pointing at the adms since that doesnt always give a clear picture of how itll play out

[tame lodge]

You know that image of the kid having fun

And the guy going I hate you

Yeah that's yam vs rumbler ogryn

I should draw that

Just not today

[desert viper]

eye candy

thanks cole

[desert viper]

I kind of figured hope ur okay moth

[honest pendant]

im just trying to get out of heresy difficulity...this is becoming really difficult

ive only beaten 1 so far...this is not easy

[drowsy perch]

what level is your character?

[honest pendant]

27

[drowsy perch]

upgraded weapons and blessings and stuff?

[honest pendant]

yeah

[drowsy perch]

perhaps just a skill issue or team issue

[balmy igloo]

Almost max level

[drowsy perch]

not as an insult

this game takes a good bit of learning

im fairly good at most games but darktide was definitely a learner

and is still

[sly orchid]

Dont upgrade anything until your lvl 30

[drowsy perch]

also true

dont spend any dia on upgrades

[honest pendant]

I think the biggest issue is getting used to the spam of carapace enemies

[drowsy perch]

plasteel is whatever

[silver patrol]

i really don't think heresy has any spam of caparace enemies

[sly orchid]

You should read the devblog :)

[drowsy perch]

oh

its the event

[honest pendant]

I read it but there's just a lot

[drowsy perch]

the event of 10 thousand scab ragers and maulers

yeah its intentional for the event

its just a fuckload of elites

[sly orchid]

Dont play the event if you dont have good gear lol

[silver patrol]

make yourself a favour and stop using quickplay until ite ends

[quiet lark]

ya for newer players this event is gonna not be a fun time </3

[honest pendant]

yeah not the biggest fan of it so far and sadly every quickplay is the event

[drowsy perch]

its fun with very specific builds

[honest pendant]

would but i fking hate bots so much

[balmy igloo]

Team play and stay near close eyesight of team dodge and block got each other backs and tag any elites enemy u see for them and for yourself and countermeasures and ofcourse ur weapon for ur build

[honest pendant]

i just started playing the game after buying it years ago and tbh...wow

[silver patrol]

just pick a mission

[drowsy perch]

arbie executioner + castigator goes crazy on the event

kill entire hordes of maulers in seconds

[silver patrol]

so called team play when heresy players:

(they just pushed a burster in your face)

[drowsy perch]

i try to team play but i always just go ahead of the team cause i kill everything in like 10s or less

[quiet lark]

giving gifts :)

[drowsy perch]

bursters been weird lately

ive been double pushing and they dont even budge

[silver patrol]

bro, they have been weird for like a year at this point

[drowsy perch]

its just gotten a lot more common

[quiet lark]

every specialist is fucked up in some way rn it feels like

it does feel like bugged bursters r more common rn too i agree

[drowsy perch]

like every other round gets a unpushable burster or 2

[balmy igloo]

or sometimes those comes out of a hidden corner and then boom!

Those exploding damm things

Yeah I understand team play is kinda lacking not sure about psykers they got good utilities

Arbiter players are also quite good most i saw in heresy

[silver patrol]

they are not good, it's more like

the class has so many safety nets that you really must be sleeping to play it badly

[drowsy perch]

arbie is just very strong

like, most classes were fairly hard to start off

arbie was a fucking breeze through heresy even at low level

its like plot armor class

[balmy igloo]

Yeah indeed they are very tanky and like the guy said got many safety nets stuff

[silver patrol]

you don't really get that veteran

or well, any other class at the start

[balmy igloo]

I have a ogryn and a veteran both kinda hard start but more melee focused. Will there be more added later or any weapons ?

[sly orchid]

Hopefully

[silver patrol]

if they stop adding modes that nobody wants, maybe

[honest pendant]

omg I beat my 2nd heresy

[sly orchid]

Fatshark wasnt able to make new weapons for existing classes because they were pre occupied with dlc classes

Once admech releases hopefully theyll do some easy wins like porting polearm movesets to darktide

[drowsy perch]

honestly most arbies i see are actually quite bad

when its a good arbie they are hella good though

[balmy igloo]

I forgot expeditions exist lol but never tried havoc yet

[drowsy perch]

since its already strong

[balmy igloo]

Most i saw are always carrying that shield and mace and tanky build

[silver patrol]

you probably thought they were good by the fact they took little damage

[quiet lark]

congrats gamer

[balmy igloo]

The doggo companion seems effectively under the right hand of a arbie

[silver patrol]

you'd think that, but dogless is better

[balmy igloo]

Oh btw i still find it odd why a ogryn cannot counter being grabbed by a dog

[balmy igloo]

Ah okay I dont know much about the others myself

[sly orchid]

Different*

[silver patrol]

(differently better)

[balmy igloo]

Was also looking at the upcoming changes...wel idk maybe the next one will do but some are good

[sly orchid]

You lose the ranged disruptor and enemy stun with electrocuted bites

[silver patrol]

the ranged distruptor who attacks one target each 30 seconds or so

[sly orchid]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGj9VKNWAAA-d5u.webp

[silver patrol]

how about just shooting the gunners who are melting your face instead

[unreal nova]

Is better on stims or any events that can make things CC immune. Dog just bypasses. Otherwise, is just an RNG bullet more likely to kill than you shooting at high ping.

[drowsy perch]

20% gunner resist on all curios

[balmy igloo]

So like a ranged decoy distraction and able to find the gunner must be good then

[drowsy perch]

its very helpful in higher dif

[sharp epoch]

i like 3 revive perks

[humble comet]

If I take three skills that reduce damage Ex. Takedown 3 stack + Iron Will + Hunter's Resolve - will I be invincible?

It's strange how all this works

[desert viper]

they got diminishing returns

you won't be invincible, but you will be able to facetank a bit

[humble comet]

Ok ty

[slow sky]

Damage resistance sources are multiplicitive

So for example 2 sources of 50% dr will result in 75% dr

[neon current]

why you prolly shud never triple stack curio DR

[tall torrent]

not rly how it works

[neon current]

exactly how it works

even you dont take 3x gunner DR

which is what I was referring to

[tall torrent]

but I do

on every class

[neon current]

not according to your guide

literally 2x gunner 2x rezz in there

the last time I've checked at least

[tall torrent]

I haven't updated those builds in like forever

just been working on weapon section overhaul

[neon current]

so what made you change your mind

[tall torrent]

+17% toughness (x2), +21% health (x1)
+12% revive (x2)
+5% health (x1)
+5% toughness (x3)
+20% gunner resist (x3)

my actual curio setup for vet, hive scum and arb

zealot / psyker: +17% toughness (x2), +21% health (x1)
-4% cooldown (x3)
+5% toughness (x3)
+20% gunner resist (x3)

martyr zealot: +17% toughness (x1), +1 wound (2)
-4% cooldown (x3)
+5% toughness (x3)
+20% gunner resist (x3)

ogryn: +17% toughness (x3)
+12% revive (x2)
+5% health (x1)
+5% toughness (x3)
+20% gunner resist (x3)

[neon current]

I understand

but what made you change your mind

[tall torrent]

because gunner DR is just very good

it's not "diminishing returns" vs gunners

[neon current]

you reduce the remaning by 20%

[tall torrent]

u could argue it's diminishing returns when ur getting shot by other things at the same time

[neon current]

but I feel like there is always something better you can grab

[tall torrent]

ok so

[neon current]

I understand how it works

just my usual mantra

[tall torrent]

with 1x, u have 125% hp

[neon current]

opportunity cost

[tall torrent]

2x, 156.25% hp

3x, somewhere like 195% hp

it's a much bigger difference than 5% toughness

[neon current]

for sure

[tall torrent]

and before u say "but 5% toughness works for everything"

[neon current]

I dont care for that shit

[tall torrent]

yea and it does like nothing for everything on its own

[neon current]

I'm the one who runs 21% HP on everyone

[tall torrent]

5% toughness is like 4 toughness in havoc for most classes lmfao

toughness is good but a bit overrated

it's not as good as hp or x80%DR in a 1-to-1 comparison

[neon current]

the one part everyone seem to always forget

[tall torrent]

but it does matter when u stack a lot of it

[neon current]

extra HP is 1/1 for rezzing

"but just dont die"

right

I'm always full HP after I get rezzed

[tall torrent]

and I get +49%T for every class except ogryn

[neon current]

0% HP will get you under 25% or so

[tall torrent]

ogryn I go for full +66%T

[neon current]

biiig difference

I have +31% HP on everyone

[tall torrent]

as for why the other classes I run revive + 5% hp, cuz 2x revive is pretty good

and hp just good

[neon current]

it is

they are

[tall torrent]

and for zealot u alrdy have a talent that gives 25% revive speed

and revive speed is actually diminishing returns

I just do cooldown since they fairly dependent on ability for big dmg

and psyker is just ass at reviving in general

but ya those are my personal curio setups rn

prob will change guide to reflect that at some point

but weapon section changes take priority atm

[neon current]

I have 2x bomber on zealot because I fuckin hate fire and pox on martyr

but its more becaues I'M lazy

well, impatient rather

[hearty panther]

ill never give up on block and sprint

[neon current]

I actually have BCR on arbi

prolly not the best, but whatever, its an arbi

what they gonna do, kill me?

while revive speed is undeniably very good, the classes I revive have tools to get it done 90% without

BTL, bullrush / taunt

stealth zealot

shout

I feel like its more impactful unledging and unnetting

[neon current]

@tall torrent do you know the interaction between new ogryn passive and other DR sources from tree?

is it additative or multi

trying to decide whether to hold on to implacable with pickaxes

[tall torrent]

multiplicative to all

[neon current]

aight thx

[tall torrent]

and it's x60% afaik, not x50%

[neon current]

okay

[tall torrent]

but x60% is still massive

[neon current]

so I dont really need 15% implecable on top slide charging pickaxes

it absolutely is

it's so good

I'M just used to having implacable on pickaxes slide charging around

but I can have 100% uptime on passive the same way, making 15% whatever

can prolly find a better place for that point

[tall torrent]

implaceable imo needs to be merged with NSM

NSM is the real reason to take it anyway

[neon current]

is it tho

never really used NSM

if you slide charge, you don't really lose movespeed

[tall torrent]

NSM is a massive improvement to og's mobility

[neon current]

it is very nice QoL

but you only heavy spam Karsolas, which I don't really use anymore

you can lightspam the other 2 to make space

but having the 2 merged would make sense, and would be a very welcome change

LOL

you seem to be able to store crunch cancelling your heavy

look at shit shit

[tall torrent]

too bad crunch still not good

[brittle apex]

Any Helbore enjoyers, what blessings do you like? At a blance brittleness and charge rate blessings seem the most useful. Surgical maybe but waiting between shots for a crit seems only situationally useful.

[hollow ibex]

surgical is mandatory

[silver patrol]

brittleness is very bad i think

[hollow ibex]

after that it's between weight of fire, armorbane and the cleave on weakspot hit blessing

[silver patrol]

also you naturally charge shots meaning the blessing is always up, what do you mean situationally useful

[brittle apex]

Charge doesn't take that long, especially if using weight of fire, so how many surgical stacks would I actually get per shot if firing as fast as possible while fully charging?

[hollow ibex]

20-30% more crit even for quick shots is still a lot

[silver patrol]

enough to go never under 600 ammo while not taking ammo pickups through all the mission

[hollow ibex]

helbore mk v running weight of fire firing at full speed still gives 20% per shot from surgical

[brittle apex]

Cool, tyvm

Is mk v the preferred mark? iv has the highest ads damage and both ROF and ammo look the same on inspect

[hollow ibex]

up to you

they're all good tbh

[neon current]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/496

is also a game changer

if you are as lazy as me

[silver patrol]

this is basically required

i really like the mk4

[neon current]

I like the middle one

good balance

[silver patrol]

it also has the worst carapace adm

[neon current]

but nearly onetapping rotten crushers with the hard hitting one

is satisfying

ya

which is gonna be less of an issue next patch

[silver patrol]

you'd think the fast one would have less adm

[neon current]

not even considering the fact you don't need weight on fast one

so you can just stack even more brittle instead

[somber axle]

Surgical ALWAYS imo
For the Mk V (fastest speed/lowest damage) Hotshot with Withering Fire because the ranged cleave can help clean up mixed hordes and snipe specials hiding behind meat shields better
For the Mk IV (slowest speed/highest damage) Weight of Fire to alleviate the slow firing speed
For the IIIa (middle speed/middle damage) I've been sold on Falter for the funny stagger breakpoints it hits but tbh I use the IIIa least

I have never touched Armourbane

I'd say that you could use Weight of Fire on the Mk V too if you wanted to be goofy but it's anti-synergy with Surgical. Less time charging between shots means less Surgical stacks. But with how fast the Mk V fires it becomes an Infantry Lasgun that pens Carapace

[somber axle]

btw it is +10% crit chance per 0.3 seconds spent aiming down sights. If you spent 1 second aiming you have +30% crit chance

It's basically always worth having

Between Vet base crit chance of 10% and Reciprocity giving you +25% crit you'll end up critting most of your shots

And since Helbores benefit most from Marksman's Focus you can take Shock Trooper on the way down to it meaning you've got more uptime on shooting and infinite ammo

Less time reloading, more time killing

[brave acorn]

I run it on MK V sometimes. It can boost damage significantly

[somber axle]

are you aware of your ADMs on the Helbore

look specifically at this section ADMs over range

at the bottom

for the vast majority of armour types you are getting negligible damage increases, and at best, you're slightly increasing Carapace at your worst range if you're trying to shove the Helbore into the Crusher's face

[tall torrent]

big brain

[somber axle]

Brittleness is not doing anything for you on anything but Crushers

[brittle apex]

gonna do a run w/ mk iv, surgical, weight of fire, flak + carapace

[brave acorn]

Good that’s what I’m going for🤣

[somber axle]

And between the damage you get from stuff like Marksman's Focus 15 stacks, Executioner's Stance, Skirmisher, etc. you're going to be slamming Crushers in around 3 shots anyway

Like genuinely

check breakpoints

and see if you're actually killing in one less shot with Armourbane

[silver patrol]

i mean, other enemies you usually just instakill with a headshot

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/300-kick-spartan-this-is-sparta-gif-16700529

[somber axle]

because that's really the only actual benefit you'll ever see with Armourbane, if your talent tree is even letting you get one less shot per Crusher at all

[silver patrol]

i dunno, i think armourbane is stinky in any case

[hollow ibex]

tbh t he only place i'd use armorbane on helbore is mk3

and only if i plan on shooting crushers

[brittle apex]

i liked the feel of iiia but wasn't 1-tapping gunners every time

[somber axle]

Yeah it's better on the Mk IIIa because it has worse Cara ADM

[brave acorn]

Yall cant stop me

[somber axle]

but then I also just don't really use the IIIa because I prefer the Mk V

[silver patrol]

i can actually

[tall torrent]

it should 1hs gunners pretty reliably

[tall torrent]

I like how the avg ranged vet using falchion is woefully unprepared to face any mixed horde

[somber axle]

I don't want to stop you. I just want to make sure you're aware of things. I do clown things all the time like Lock n Load + Opening Salvo with Deadshot and Reciprocity on the Recon Mk XIV using Deathspitter and Dum Dum and Withering Fire to have functionally 75% crit chance and funny amounts of cleave into mixed hordes but I'm well aware that Opening Salvo and Lock n Load are both not worth taking and it's purely for the meme and fun. Sometimes I swap over to the Recon Mk XII just to feel a 225 clip size on the same talent tree with 75% crit chance in Auric quickplay purely to goof off. But like it's not optimal and I know it

If you are having fun that's what matters

But knowledge is sacred and to be shared

[brave acorn]

Trust me dude, I understand exactly what crimes I’m committing 🤣
I learn by trying stuff and if it don’t work I quit using it. Check back in a week and I’ll probably be running something different

[somber axle]

[neon current]

I'd get acrophobia playing that FoV lol

[tall torrent]

it's only 120

[neon current]

why does it look so weird than

[tall torrent]

because DT has fisheye FOV

[neon current]

yea but 117 is unmodded

[tall torrent]

no

[neon current]

or is that 85

[tall torrent]

slider max is 85

[neon current]

ya

I've used to play VT2 at 110

why they had to narrow it down so much

[tall torrent]

and u don't need mods to get above 85

[neon current]

you know what I mean

[tall torrent]

I use mods to disable FOV change effects from abilities & sprint

[neon current]

that is a good idea actually

[tall torrent]

ConstantFov
GasOutline
FXlimiter
LessDoT
danger_zone
scoreboard
creature_spawner
enemies_improved
BetterEnemyTag
GlobalStore
show_crit_chance
DisplayPing
InspectFromSocial

my modlist is pretty light tbh

[neon current]

yea I've been trimming mine wherever possible

I can't live without disable screen effects tho

guesing you can just edit cfg file for FoV?

[tall torrent]

user_settings.config is where u can change VFOV above what the in game slider allows u to

[neon current]

how much FX limiter + less dots improve performance?

I might grab those

[tall torrent]

but ConstantFov is required to disable FOV modifying behaviour from abilities and sprint

[neon current]

sick of dipping into 30s on a 9070 XT pre FG

[tall torrent]

I'm on Nvidia 4070ti Super but I also run Linux CachyOS

I get like 130~140fps in intense horde scenarios with DLSS FG2x active

[neon current]

blight decimates my FPS because of no particle settings ingame

it shud help that

[tall torrent]

and idk how much it'd be without FX limiter and lessDOT

frankly I have them just because

[neon current]

well, I'll let you know 😄

yea I'll give em a few runs

[tall torrent]

I will say tho

[neon current]

clarity > eyecandy

[tall torrent]

this game unironically runs with better frametime stability on Linux than windows

[neon current]

so I've heard

[tall torrent]

my settings are roughly medium and optimized for as much performance while keeping the visual flair

[neon current]

especially with AMD

[tall torrent]

enemy wounds is kinda whatever in my experience

it's just not super noticeable for most weapons

[tall torrent]

but stingray has weirdly long shader compilation process with proton so switching proton versions is a pain

[thorn lark]

can confirm

it is night and day

And I was using a stripped down version of w11

[tall torrent]

pretty much every game I played so far run with better frametime stability on Linux than win11

even tho it prob doesn't hit the same max fps

but frametime stability is far more important to me than fps number go up

[thorn lark]

On DT I hit the same fps but the stability is so much better

[tall torrent]

in meat grinder which is super optimized I get roughly the same as I do on win11 if I go uncapped fps

but capped fps gets me better frametime graph

[thorn lark]

no numericUI?

[tall torrent]

I don't rly need it tbh

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/code-purpose-of-life-matrix-gif-5601363

[tall torrent]

and numericUI gets borked pretty often by updates

[willow prairie]

this apply to everygame

[tall torrent]

idk

rogue trader ran like ass for me

but idk if it's just that game being really badly optimized

[neon current]

at this point, I love UE5

I get 200+ ez with UE5.4 most games

[silver patrol]

how many of those are fake frames

[willow prairie]

rogue trader have issue with save number i believe

[silver patrol]

it certainly has some kind of memory leak or something

[tall torrent]

linux frametime be like

[neon current]

half

I have AMD, no MG for me

does anyone use that shit to begin with

[silver patrol]

what's mg

[neon current]

multi framegen

[silver patrol]

oh framegen

[neon current]

Nvidia can do up to 6x

[quasi surge]

Should Executioners Stance receive auto reload?

[silver patrol]

yes, and also aim for you

[tall torrent]

wouldn't mind it but also don't think it needs it

[tall torrent]

by act4, after I get the bridge visual upgrade based on my alignment, I get like 40 smth fps on the bridge