veteran-class

[tough nova]

Gloriana bistol and dbs!?!?

[tame lodge]

Instead of rending

So your Hsword would hit crushers as if they were flak and shit

Or unyielding as if they were maniacs

I think that's how the hierarchy worked

[tough nova]

That is a weird mechanic

I didnt really play the first year so I missed all the OG jank

[naive needle]

Does field improvisation apply to all medi-packs you stand in just to you, or all packs you deploy for everyone

medi-packs heal 100% faster, cleanse corruption and replenish 1% toughness/s, pretty sure I didn't have corruption cleared up by one but not sure if I placed it or someone else

[tame lodge]

All packs deployed by everyone

[round mango]

It’s global

[naive needle]

hmm, sure I was stood by one and it wasn't replenishing

[round mango]

As long as you’re on the team you are helping

It doesn’t replenish wounds

[tame lodge]

It doesn't heal wounds that are fully corrupted

[tough nova]

It doesnt replenish fully corrupted wounds

[naive needle]

ahh

[round mango]

If you were downed it won’t fill the wound portion but if you get gassed or dogged it will

Wait doesn’t the hive scum have corruption removal do all abilities like that not effect a corrupted wound?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah a fully filled wound is gone

Unless you heal with a med stimm or medicae

[tame lodge]

Fully corrupted wounds can only be healed by stimms or med stations

[round mango]

Is there a mod that can color the wound a different color? Would be nice to have faster visual clarity on the UI

Unless mods aren’t really discussed here I’ll google

[hollow ibex]

Hmm not sure tbh nothing comes to mind

Maybe one of those general UI customization mods

[round mango]

They exist not sure if it’s updated for current patch I am second guessing how useful it actually is though 🤣 its actually fairly obvious as is

[quiet lark]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/837

think this does that but I haven't used it myself

[round mango]

Yeah that’s the one I was looking at I think it’s updated. May try it out

[quiet lark]

it seems to be a new mod so it should work fine

[slow sky]

shovel is a great generalist

it doesnt excel at anything, but it isnt bad at anything either when properly built

which is a very underrated quality in weapons

its also pretty simple to use

also

[tame lodge]

Ogryn jumpscare

[drowsy perch]

shovel with cleave and impact is pretty good if you can get it

i forget the set

i think rending on weakspot too

[north spoke]

The astronomican is just the Emperor blasting Caramelldansen

[frigid shuttle]

The catgirl version.

[hybrid plover]

It synergizes with particular builds really well

[slow sky]

ghost ping: phantom asshole

[rotund heart]

Skullcrusher applies a team wide debuff on staggered enemies

Uncanny Strike lets you ignore carapace damage reduction

The regular shovel’s special attack can stagger anything that isn’t a Monstrosity

Roleplay reasons and it’s actually good

You basically build it for what purpose you want with a lean to providing debuffs through stagger but you can also increase its cleave

The Blessing that increases weakspot damage on shove also synergizes really well with its push attack.

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok

The fact is that shovel crutches hard on overpowered blessings

And even then it’s just ok

[lucid silo]

You got any rations boss?

[tidal fox]

sah look at my stache sah

[naive needle]

Would other players appreciate scavenger in expeditions? I am ammo efficient enough myself that I don't really need it, end up with more ammo than I started with usually

Helbore lasgun + near certainty of getting a crit each shot so my magazine lasts for ages... I wonder if I could do a round without even reloading.

[drowsy perch]

right now scavenger is op as fuck

so u might as well

[unreal nova]

Just take it in 99% of situations. It has always been beyond broken in low/limited ammo situations.

Is why you are literally throwing by not taking it in havocs.

Unless the team comp is like, 3 staffkers, but then you might have other issues.

[steep flower]

Always was, always will be

[fading canopy]

the issue of it being too easy ?

[normal sparrow]

Your aura is 1/4 as effective and your ammo + nade pickup being 4x the usual amount

[fading canopy]

and also you have nothing to kill on the map

with 3 staff psykers u don’t even need more than 1 dome shield

so u can have scrier’s gaze or some bs like that

[normal sparrow]

Oh its havoc
Crusher spam deleting capability

[worthy dragon]

Can Veteran kill bosses fast like Zealot can?

If so, how to do it?

[tall torrent]

boss 1 shot no

but good sustain dps yes

[worthy dragon]

I saw a Veteran marking with Focus Target, throws a Krak Grenade then he wacks the boss almost insta killing it every time. It was Heresy Maelstorm on at the time. Just curious how he did it

[tall torrent]

good boss dps weapon & vet having a lot of dmg talents

heresy also just has less enemy hp

[obtuse crypt]

what perks and blessing for hellbore?

and which mark do u prefer?

[obtuse crypt]

and which variant?

[tame lodge]

The one you like

I like Mk4

Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

Slowest Charge

Slash bayonet

[turbid ibex]

Preference

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[obtuse crypt]

plasma gun?

[turbid ibex]

Base damage is a bit higher but the finesse is way lower

[tame lodge]

Not even close

[turbid ibex]

Only 0.5 finesse compared to helbore with 2

[surreal rune]

vet already gets crazy damage buffs and then marksmans focus on top with surgical crits

[obtuse crypt]

i assume hellbore might be ahrd to use with random lobbys? and u gotta position yourself good and hit those headshots right?

bc aiming down sights and charging your shots takes a lot of time

[turbid ibex]

And because of how +critical/weakspot/finesse damage is calculated having 2 finesse results in a lot more damage increase from them

[surreal rune]

do you guys take exploit weakness on a ranged build

[tawny badger]

yea

[turbid ibex]

Yes

You take it on every build

[tawny badger]

you might be a ranged build but you will be swinging your melee weapon at some point

might as well get the big fat juicy +20% buff to all damage on melee crit

esp if you're running revolver or something where it's just
swing
swing
crit
swap to ranged and blow some mauler's head off

[obtuse crypt]

would u guys say longshot is worth taking with the plasma gun?

[tawny badger]

I mean

it's +10% ranged damage at least
forever

that sounds pretty good to me no matter the weapon

[turbid ibex]

theres better stuff to spend that point on i think

specially since youre already taking one motion

[round mango]

Testing a braced autogun build. Blessing - Hit and run feels good for event but curious if dumdum might be better, but running into ammo in magazine issues. I took the 3.3% reload talent activating ranged specialist but doesn’t feel good enough, is reload speed worth it or is this whole build doomed.

[pseudo fiber]

Reddit back again with terrible ideas

[round mango]

Like recon lasgun just does this same style but better and with infinite clip

[pseudo fiber]

Brauto certain is one of the weapons that exists

I'd say teh reload talent isn't really doing much for you though

[pseudo fiber]

Do these people play the same game as me

[round mango]

Agreed but curious if the reload speed if ammo is in gun is worth it or if I just forgo the reload for more damage. Truly one of the guns of all time

If everything is dead reload speed is immaterial 🤣

[pseudo fiber]

@tame lodge you've been using the worst combo of weapons lately have you got any advice for using brauto
You're not allowed to say "don't"

[round mango]

It’s not bad if it’s limit testing

[round mango]

“They should make the game where my character is the ultimate badass and I don’t die and I kill everything in one shot.”

These are the people who make ai slop songs and think they’re musicians

[pseudo fiber]

These are the people FS listens too!!!

[somber axle]

Please don't make a curio with +1 talent point. It would be very dumb LMFAO

[round mango]

No fatshark will ultimately bow to tencent and their investors.

Hence extraction mode 🤣

[hearty panther]

Some dude with his pronouns set as Re/Tarred having prehistoric cold takes about tencent? Who could imagine.

[tall torrent]

Braced autogun doesn’t get dum dum

[hollow ibex]

Good

They’d be overpowered if they also got dumdum!

[round mango]

Woah was I thinking deathspitter

[tame lodge]

ExecStance

[hearty panther]

Ceaseless Barrage is quite fun

[tame lodge]

Also

Onslaught

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[dry cloak]

and tehn chinese players shit theyre pants after it ends

[pseudo fiber]

that's what the next comment said minus chinese hahah

[tame lodge]

Pretty much only matters if you're shooting targets that are all the way over there

If you're point blanking, it doesn't matter

[round mango]

o7

[thorn lark]

It's called Mortis trials. It's very much dead.

[tame lodge]

Getting a +1 point curio just so I can get the subnodes that give me 1% damage if the moon is full today

[south spindle]

https://youtu.be/3uyKvxun_Fw @wary garden @ocean abyss @somber axle 🔥 🙏

Hurr durr thought it was general, ah well

[somber axle]

I am on lunch break in 15. I'll check it out then

[somber axle]

Ok yeah this is a good vibe

[south spindle]

Eyy

[shut marsh]

whats the best variant for combat shotgun for auric maelstrom? agripinaa or accatran?

[brittle apex]

For the "Covering Fire" talent is the 15% toughness replenishment for teammates on every kill (within 8m)? I've never taken it but if that's the case it sounds like it'd be OP as a toughness batter for teammates in melee

[tame lodge]

Agripina

[tame lodge]

Your ally has to be within 8m of the target you kill with your ranged attack

For a support style it's alright

Whether or not you should be shooting enemies near teammates is a different discussion

Same with if you have the points for it

[somber axle]

Covering Fire should apply the buff to Vet too if they successfully apply it to an ally

But only if it applies to an ally

If you end up solo then it never procs

And doesn't end up completely outclassing Longshot

Plus if you're shooting distant Gunner lines or taking care of a special (Sniper, Trapper, etc.) you wouldn't benefit

Since you'd need an ally within 8m

[turbid imp]

hear me war hammer darktide gods give me bayonet infantry lasgun take the sight away anything for bayonet ill sell my first born into the god emperor of man kinds service🙏🏻

[tame lodge]

No deal

I like the sights

[somber axle]

They originally wanted to do a system where you could swap sights, scopes, flashlights and bayonets but that was scrapped before beta

If you look at early gameplay trailers you can still see the basic lasguns without the current sights they have

The same kind bots use now

[patent raft]

tbf, the system we got is pretty good (the different gun MK)

[somber axle]

The mark variants are nice but I still would've liked to swap flashlights/bayonet/sights on weapons to taste

[slow sky]

But that has nothing to do with stuff like sights and scopes

Marks dont change any of those

[patent raft]

lemme think the way i think >:[

[tame lodge]

Use Helbore as an example on how it changes iron sights

(possibly the only example we have)

Casual Helbore W btw

[brittle apex]

Appreciate the response but didn't quite answer the question. If for example I have a teammate in the thick of a horde. If I melt a 5 of them, will the +15% toughness proc for each of the 5 kills? In this example it would give a quick +75% toughness to the teammate. Is that right?

[tame lodge]

The answer should be yes
Considering it has no internal cool down and the damage part can be refreshed while active

[brittle apex]

Neat, I might try it

[somber axle]

Born Leader + Executioner's Stance + Confirmed Kill turns you into a toughness battery for the entire team if you wanted to goof off with a support build that isn't Voice of Command focused

[spiral narwhal]

I run plasma rifle, kraks and combat knife because fuck any boss or elite enemy

Hell it can shred deamonhosts

Those bosses gonna Catch these kraks

And i leave the hordes to the others

[upper falcon]

Bolt pistol dump stat?

[surreal sentinel]

Any good melee options to pair with the Plasma Gun?

[narrow frost]

collateral

[upper falcon]

Thanks

[somber axle]

Rashad Combat Axe, Power Sword Mk VI are probably two of the best options but your mobility will feel pretty weak with two low mobility options so you're going to have to commit to fights more

For melee options that are still solid (not nearly as strong tho) I'd recommend Tac Axe Mk VII or Shovel Mk I

Their mobility is a lot better and offsets how poor Plasma's mobility is

I wouldn't recommend something like Knife or Dueling Sword because your horde clear will be weak. On paper they seem like good things to pair with Plasma because you want a good can opener for Crusher killing and to melee bosses but also because they're very high mobility melee options, but the horde clear with either is going to be painfully slow and you don't want to be spamming Plasma into poxwalkers. At best you'll be clearing bits of a mixed horde shooting through them to kill elites/specials

[hybrid plover]

Flesh tearer knife is not bad for horde clear tbh

It's more the horde control it suffers from.

[somber axle]

It's fine, but it's not competing with weapons that have good horde clear

It's not as bad as Dueling Sword horde clear at least

[hybrid plover]

Well yeah but at least with WS, it's honestly serviceable enough.

Dueling sword however is just unsalvageable for horde clear

There ain't a damn thing you're doing to make that actually hold up

[somber axle]

Weird question because of your discord name here but what about Heavy Sword? I still haven't toyed with it yet since the last update buffed it. How does the weapon special brittleness factor in when you need to go into Crushers?

I wanted to recommend Heavy Sword as a potential option for Plasma but I had no idea if it was

[hybrid plover]

I think heavy sword is more preferable with ranged options that can actually handle armor better

[somber axle]

That's fair

[hybrid plover]

Plasma isn't the greatest at that.

[tall torrent]

heavy sword gud if dreg seed, or using hive scum

[somber axle]

I had a slight hope Heavy Sword special would have helped it with that

[hybrid plover]

I will say.

If you can get used to it.

Bladed Momentum is not actually bad at making HS do decent armor damage.

[somber axle]

Hive Scum makes any melee feel good

[hybrid plover]

But you have to really make use of the light after special to make it work.

[somber axle]

I have to try Heavy Sword on Scum

It feels like a really fun combo

[hybrid plover]

It's my favorite on Scum

[tall torrent]

it's a decent rashad sidegrade

costs 2 points more tho unfortunately

[hybrid plover]

But yeah Bladed Momentum is lowkey not bad at all for HS on vet.

[tall torrent]

I would run rending blessing on heavy sword for VI or VII

IX I'd still do deathblow

[hybrid plover]

I've been considering trying it and putting away Perfect Strike on Scum

But gigacleave on crits is really hard to look past.

[tall torrent]

the only weapon I think genuinely deserves carapace cleave for cleave-based atks is eviscerator 3 tbh

[hybrid plover]

Like yeah the hit mass override is nuts

But special + light actually does some really good stagger.

So the main thing I even like it for (bulwarks) isn't even as big of a deal

Since you can end up opening them up surprisingly fast

[somber axle]

imagine if the AdMech class gets that on their Omnissiah Axe

[tame lodge]

Perfect Strike?

OmniAxe finesse weapon confirmed

Now that I'm thinking about it

Omnisiah axe should really be brute force and finesse

Really encompass the Omni part

[tidal fox]

I'll give you an omni part

[crimson garden]

What melee weapons do y'all like for veteran?

[unreal nova]

Knoife.

[narrow frost]

Shock maul

[somber axle]

Tac Axe Mk VII and Shovel Mk I are my favs right now

[crimson garden]

Is any variant of chainsword good?

[somber axle]

they're fun but they're weak into Carapace so they need a good ranged option for Crusher killing

[hollow ibex]

nope

[somber axle]

I think the good variant is the XIIIg?

very simple moveset

it's good on Hive Scum

but probably one of Vet's weaker weapon choices tbh

and like even on Hive Scum it's not one of the better options

it's just more fun on a class that can use it properly

[slow sky]

chainsword is a good weapon for ranged heavy builds that have decent or better weapons for armor

they are really good at horde clear which is all your melees tend to be for in those kind of builds

other options in the same niche are heavy sword (offensive) and devils claw (defensive)

[crimson garden]

But I assume other weapons fill that niche better?

[somber axle]

I don't think Chainsword competes with Heavy Sword horde clear but like it's still fun and solid for what it is

[slow sky]

a proper chainsword is probably the best out of all of those options at raw horde clear
just poxwalkers only

heavy sword wins the moment flak or elites come into play

[somber axle]

Plus if you go Trench Fighter Drill + Weapon Specialist you feel like a living lawn mower going blender mode into hordes

[slow sky]

devils claw is worse than both, but the parry is super defensive and safe

[somber axle]

all the attack speed feels amazing

[crimson garden]

Idek what class I'd start with tbh. I'm mostly just curious but sometimes the choice paralysis gets me

[slow sky]

the main reason why chainsword wins in raw trash is because of 2 things
its infested damage is kinda stupid high
and its the only weapon type where the finesse damage (the additional damage you deal from a headshot and/or crit) doesnt fall off between targets in a swing

so most other weapons are typically doing poopoo damage by the 4-5th target even if theyre cleavy weapons, but that lack of diminishing finesse damage makes that minimum way higher in comparison

[somber axle]

you can play all of them if you want

[slow sky]

so you get some pretty nice damage spread out against dense hordes, which after a few swings changes from 2-4 enemies dead per swing to 6-9 enemies per swing

[somber axle]

I have all classes maxed

it's just which ever you want to try first

[slow sky]

that too

[slow sky]

as for this question

shobel

[desert viper]

I like falchion

waiting for more buffs on it

:(

[crimson garden]

Like I enjoyed vermintide, but no friends to play with did make it a bit less fun

Am I right in feeling that vet is a good class that can balance melee and ranged but also can do both?

[slow sky]

yes

vet doesnt have the most dedicated melee nodes, but what ones he does are really strong

that power is just kinda condensed

[crimson garden]

I assume that allows for more build flexibility elsewhere?

[slow sky]

but he can lean one way or the other, but he just has more unique ways to lean into ranged

[slow sky]

wdym

[crimson garden]

The concentration in a few nodes means there's a smaller opportunity cost, so instead of spending many nodes to meet a threshold you can spend a few in melee and then use the saved points elsewhere

[slow sky]

yes
the build im using in that clip up there is a split between melee, ranged, and general use (like grenades) because all of them are important to that one

[crimson garden]

Are Krak grenades still nuts for shredding? I remember that from last time I really thought about this game

[slow sky]

granted that build is like
one of the most specialised in terms of all the parts working together for the build to function instead of "this is a good buff, ill take it"

[slow sky]

theyre good for blobs of armor, which is a common threat for a lot of people
they can also cover your armor/boss damage if youre lacking on those

but the other grenades have their place too, like the shredders are great for those ranged builds where youre already mulching armor, like helbore

and smokes functionally are like a great value psyker bubble when used properly so they have a place too

but most people just really really really hate crushers and bulwarks so they just slap kraks on and call it a day

[somber axle]

the current event with Oops All Ragers is a prime example of Shredders being very valuable

you will not care about the odd Crusher that appears

that's not the problem

the problem is the 50 Ragers because they have 50 more behind them

it's really fun going shovel into them

Shovel + Shredders and you're room clearing

[crimson garden]

Are there any vet weapons with a more simplistic combo? I really enjoyed weapons like the mace/sword, dual hammers, or axe and falchion in vermintide

[somber axle]

Rashad Combat Axe

literally the simplest combo in the whole game

also one of the strongest melee weapons

all light attacks for horde clear

[crimson garden]

My eyes get a little crossed when the ideal combo is like 15 weapon pushes into animation cancels

[somber axle]

all heavy attacks for bosses/armour

the only caveat to Rashad Combat Axe is that you want attack speed or it feels awful

it still kills fast

it just feels slow

[slow sky]

the shovel is also a pretty simple moveset

[somber axle]

shovel special poke is also very fun

the push attack being a bonk is funny too

[slow sky]

there is something to be said about how fuckin awesome it feels to do complex movesets that are really potent

the mk2 relic blade on zealot is a prime example

you stop thinking about combos and you just flow with the weapon in the moment

its dope

[somber axle]

Arbites Shield + Shock Maul is fun for weaving combos

it's extra fun swapping that combo from single target to cleave

[crimson garden]

I'm good if it's like:

light-heavy-light-cancel

but when things get to the point of being like:

light-heavy-heavy-push attack-cancel-push-cancel-light-light-heavy.

I wonder why the devs hate me

[desert viper]

because trappers

:3

relic blade is the only weapon in the game, for me, to have given me the feeling of sync with combat

it just flows into any move

[crimson garden]

I also really liked Bardin's rifle in VT2

[slow sky]

There isnt anything in the game thats that complicated

The only thing that is that complicated is a weapon with a complex moveset, when youre adapting to the situation in real time

Which is the strength of the complex weapons with good movesets

It stops being combos, and more about responding to what's happening

And your familiarity with the weapon is what lets that be natural and second nature rather than a script your mentally looping

[pseudo fiber]

Mk2b falchion having the more complex moveset only to be a lot worse

[crimson garden]

What’s a good pairing with the lasgun?

[pseudo fiber]

Tacaxe

[sly orchid]

I want a polearm with a complex moveset

Or the catachan dueling glaive

Doesnt have a neutral billhook pull

[pseudo fiber]

Got it boss 2 marks the simple one is infinitely better

[sly orchid]

But you can combo into it with light heavy and then special

[sly orchid]

Die.

[heavy rover]

Gotchu bossman, another Krieg recolour coming right up

[pseudo fiber]

I'd say let's do brown today

[turbid ibex]

Pink krieg

[lusty sedge]

yesterday i upgraded my chainsword and bold pistol to legendary. my first legendries in this game. I want to move on to upgrading next ranged weapon. i tried the infantry lasgun on the high damage high capacity make but it didn't seem right.

it felt awkward

[somber axle]

Polearms would be SO cool

I'm most excited for the Omnissiah Axe tbh

But there's also the Krieg Thermal Lances that could be a potential weapon idea

I have no idea how they'd reasonably explain how the shaped charge explodes and the weapon stays intact for more use tbh

[lusty sedge]

what's a popular lasgun?

[somber axle]

Recons are popular from what I see in random matchmaking

And are viable even into Havoc

[lusty sedge]

on torret right?

[somber axle]

The most popular Recon variant is the VIc

[lusty sedge]

i don't know how that works tbh damage is sub 100.

[somber axle]

It's solid sustained damage through engagements with the right build

Helbores are the big damage Lasguns

Helbores also can shoot Crushers

[lusty sedge]

i hate to be that guy ammunition wise you know

[somber axle]

The other Lasguns can't

Just use Shock Trooper with Reciprocity

All Recons have a crit string of 2 so every crit is 2 shots

And with Shock Trooper every crit is free

So every crit is 2 free shots

[lusty sedge]

noice

[somber axle]

Vet has a base 10% crit chance and Reciprocity is +25% crit just for playing the game

[lusty sedge]

what about braced autogun

[somber axle]

I wasn't aware Catachan had glaives WHAT

THAT'S SO COOL

[sly orchid]

mind you this is quite oldhammer art

but it did get made into a mini for inquisitorial agents

[somber axle]

tbh I think the braced autogun might be Vet's weakest weapon

[sly orchid]

like nigh 1-1

[somber axle]

it's useable but you'll feel how much weaker it is vs other weapons especially Infantry Autoguns

it's a shame because Braced Autoguns have one of the best looking cosmetics in the game in my opinion

[sly orchid]

scum also has 2 inquisitorial agent cosmetics

[somber axle]

if you want to play with Autoguns go with either the Infantry Autoguns or the Vigilant Autoguns

both are very strong

Infantry Autoguns if you want full auto, Vigilant Autoguns if you want DMR gameplay

[sly orchid]

btw this isnt a catachan

[somber axle]

Vraks Infantry Autogun is THE highest DPS weapon in the game iirc?

[sly orchid]

its a gland warrior

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gland_Warriors

[somber axle]

oh I was just reading the little thing at the top

[sly orchid]

that is the name of the actual glaive yeah

[somber axle]

yeah I was just shocked Catachan had glaives

the dude looks too Frankenstein

I would be 100% down to carry a glaive into a fight

[dapper coyote]

Bruhto

Cause FUCK aiming, spread so bad that you can nail a dog in the neighbouring PLANET's under hivecity

[lusty sedge]

what ranged weapon do you recommend? i just upgraded the bolt pistol. want to focus on something else.

[dapper coyote]

Depends on what you want to play around imo

More precision is Helbores / Vigil / Revolver

Lmao.exe is
DB + WS

Mag dump that boss is
Big bolter

And so on

[turbid ibex]

Pretty much every other option has something that makes them worth considering

[lusty sedge]

except braced autogun apparently

[turbid ibex]

Yeah othet than braced

Cause they suck

[dapper coyote]

Or autopistols

Cause ammo hungy

Very ammo hungy

[turbid ibex]

Right forgot about those

[dapper coyote]

Laspistols is crit inf ammo memes

CShotguns are ok, like a swiss army knife, its good on all occasions except the highest difficulties

[turbid ibex]

Nah laspistol is good

[dapper coyote]

But its comical

[turbid ibex]

Recon is the infinite ammo meme

[dapper coyote]

Nah, Recon is BBRRRRRRRR

(also flames everyone)

[lusty sedge]

how do you guys deal with the player who doesn't let anyone take any ammo lol?

[dapper coyote]

We let a dog eat him then watch him

[lusty sedge]

lmao

[somber axle]

be faster than them because I know where the ammo is

[dapper coyote]

Just l o o k

[somber axle]

I'm almost always using a lasgun so I never really need ammo. But if I do need ammo I can outrun someone to a tin

[dapper coyote]

Pretend that asshole didn't exist fr fr

Someone got netted and burned?

Who? this is a 3 person coop fr fr.

[somber axle]

between Survivalist, Shock Trooper and any Lasgun you kinda have more than enough ammo to clear maps

[dapper coyote]

Even in zealots, inf las is enough for me lmao, just the ammo count

[somber axle]

The recent ammo buff to Infantry Lasguns was insane

[lusty sedge]

i was trying lasgun last night on high damage high capacity mk. but it didn't feel right. maybe i should change the build.

[somber axle]

They really feel like their lore equivalent of the reliable workhorse weapon that just never stops shooting when you need it to

[dapper coyote]

Finally, lore accurate lasguns

When there no fucking hivelords or space marines to body them

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun has reverse damage falloff and a weakness to Flak that requires a little investment in rending to offset the poor Flak ADM

If you're shooting into Flak Ragers in your face without Rending Strikes you're cutting your damage in half

[lusty sedge]

i see that explains it

i ended up melee almost entirely

which was fun

[somber axle]

the reverse damage falloff is the awkward part

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[somber axle]

kinda sucks that you lose damage for fighting in close range when most encounters are going to be very close range

but Infantry Lasguns still feel fantastic for taking out Gunner lines

[tame lodge]

Worst ranged weapon available for the lil uns
Still outdpsing Ogryns peashooter btw

If you're ever going to use Brauto, use mk8

[lusty sedge]

which rendings with infantry lasgun?

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes and Marksman's Focus subnode

[lusty sedge]

oh everything i can get i see

that's an entirely different build then. sounds good.

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes gives +10% rending
Marksman's Focus has a subnode called Chink in their Armour that gives another +15% rending when at 10 stacks or more

[lusty sedge]

what about blessings?

[somber axle]

Depends on if you like to play aggressive or defensive/reactive

Ghost/Headhunter for aggressive

[lusty sedge]

i do both

[turbid ibex]

Headhunter+deadly accurate/ghost

[lusty sedge]

depending on the battlefield, my health etc

[somber axle]

You'll be able to walk out into danger and take the pressure off your team because Gunners, Reapers, etc. can't hit you

Deadly Accurate/Headhunter if you play more defensively as a backline player

If you find you're usually behind your team and not in front of them then it's fine to go Deadly Accurate/Headhunter for the extra bit of damage

[lusty sedge]

awesome tips

[somber axle]

I like Ghost because of the lore behind weapon blessings and how the weapon is literally trying to wield a small power to protect you

When the trained and disciplined Moebian 6th Gunners unleash a barrage at you and all their shots miss it is the machine spirit willing your victory

Every near miss gently maneuvered to keep you safe

it's not just game mechanics

[lusty sedge]

that sounds cool

where do you get the lore?

[somber axle]

mostly from friends, games, wikis, chats with people here

[turbid ibex]

I feel like youre looking too much into this

[somber axle]

there's the Black Library books but that's a MASSIVE list of books

[dapper coyote]

Isn't that, like, heavily defended by space death clowns that moves faster than the eye can register

[lusty sedge]

i haven't even been able to locate the Moebian realm on the galactic map yet.

[somber axle]

iirc it was the lore I read on purity seals

[lusty sedge]

it's supposed to be north west of segmentum solar.

[somber axle]

they've long since abandoned their original use as a Space Marine undertaking a mission/quest in the Emperor's name

they're now all about faith, purity and blessing

[turbid ibex]

Im pretty sure it was created specifically for darktide

[somber axle]

and it manifests in ways like Ghost protecting you

the purity seal through the rituals and faith is granted some small measure of power

and that power can manifest in ways like an enemy wondering why despite all their drills and training they can't seem to hit you

[lusty sedge]

yeah

[somber axle]

it is the weapon and the purity seal

the machine spirit and the blessing protecting you in more tangible ways

the wax and paper are not merely wax and paper playing placebo

your faith becomes your shield

literally

[turbid ibex]

Nah theyre missing because im him

[somber axle]

also yes but in real life it's just what Games Workshop calls their book store I think LOL

[dapper coyote]

Isn't that why zealots literally becomes so fucking insanely powerful the more they are close to death? (martydom boys)

[lusty sedge]

the funniest situation for me rn is when i play with hardcore darktide players on malice and they take their time having fun and refuse to do the tasks to move on on the map lmao

[dapper coyote]

Very often i lit myself of fire just to proc this

[somber axle]

yes and its like the greater the faith, the stronger the shield
martyrs find their shields become true tangible power
faith can literally protect people from Nurgle's diseases in some capacity

[tame lodge]

That or their adrenaline and noradrenaline kicks in

Chimp on steroids twice has faith

🗣️

[somber axle]

Saint Celestine literally dies and returns again and again

A Martyr once and forever more

[dapper coyote]

I put my hands to the pyre, cleansing my sins and bring me closer to the emperor, suddenly the same hands can hit hard as a thunderhammer and faster than the knife

[somber axle]

To the truly faithful they will find the Emperor's love and in that love they will discover strength renewed

[dapper coyote]

BRO LIT HIS HANDS ON FIRE, HE DUMB

WAIT, WHY TF THIS MOFO IS SWINGING HARDER AND FASTER????

[somber axle]

unironically the Emperor might be a Chaos God

like the power being wielded feels like it is on that level LOL

plus there's that conversation he recently had with Guilleman

the Emperor definitely is lending their power here and there

those most faithful are like candles in a very dark universe and though they might seem so small and dim, the Emperor helps them shine a little brighter and burn a little stronger during their short times before they fall

[pseudo fiber]

Thereish

[formal ice]

The most understandable 40k map:

[tame lodge]

All you need to know is that everything to the left of the red line sucks

And everything to the right of the red line sucks even more

[void dragon]

what's with that tweet? are we getting Zealot crossbows for new weapon or not? I need answers ObeseFish!

[tame lodge]

That's next year's class

A Sororitas

It's an early teaser

https://tenor.com/view/cat-frantic-the-voices-gif-4777666775328982944

The alternative is a bolt gun buff

[void dragon]

that would be madness, clearly Zealot needs cool repentia clothes more than buffing psyker again

[strong crypt]

Instructions unclear, 40% psyker buff

[void dragon]

now with 50% more peril and 700% more scrier's gaze buffs

[tame lodge]

The voices told me the next zealot buff will be adding an Iconic to the class

I'm all in in extra 10% fire damage

[strong crypt]

Ill still managed to fry my brain and go kaboom

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-ride-let-it-ride-diem-gif-13460879079669063039

[void dragon]

when we get the weapon blessings buffs zealot will get some cool ones that set everyone on fire, we only need to have faith and pray for the Emperor's mercy

[tame lodge]

Not the blessings dawg

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[turbid ibex]

Why would we be getting crossbow

[tame lodge]

Sororitas weaponry

Therefore

Also zealot

Because my sources told me they are literally the same thing

[void dragon]

you really think we will get cool stuff from ObeseFish in this timeline? even the blessings revised are a dream for the year 4050

[void dragon]

Boltgun 2 has the sororitas character use a crossbow as a weapon, could be cool to have that for the melee zealot since they are very similar in theme (just to be clear im not against a Sororitas class in the future, just want heavy magnun with crossbow skin)

[turbid ibex]

Idk how useful a crossbow would be for zealot when we already got knives

[tame lodge]

Knives but loooooong range

[somber axle]

Ranged cleave would be really funny

Take out an entire line of Shotgunners trying to filter through a door with a single crossbow bolt

[tame lodge]

It's just that 99% of the cases, dot blessings are pretty meh

[steep flower]

Unsuppresable revolver

So better

Maybe

[fast needle]

What's the power sword (I suppose Mk VI) single target & horde clear chain?

[tame lodge]

Horde clear is special light light light

Single target is special push attack light light

[dapper coyote]

Gun Vet in a nutshell

[tawny badger]

forget the helbore give veteran a proper bolt action

[unreal totem]

so, rashad axe cult. How do you deal with horde? light spam? because usually it gets stuck in second enemy and I have to kite the horde

push block attack and light spam

but doesn't horde clear that well as I thought

but the heavy is pretty good against anything

[dapper coyote]

Rashad axe cult

[tame lodge]

It's light spam dawg

It's just

Light spam

You could try to use the push attack for the 8 cleave stagger across the targets

But then you'll be back to light spam

[tough nova]

Are you using brutal momentum?

[unreal totem]

yeah

[tough nova]

Not sure why youre having difficulty then

[analog mural]

Yeah Rashad clear is pretty good with bromentum so not sure why you're having issues

Do you have unarmored perk?

Helps to hit bruiser breakpoint

[fast needle]

Thanks!

[turbid ibex]

also remember to tap block right after special on the horde to cancel the animation

[quaint marsh]

After the 3rd light there is significant delay before looping back to L1 if you just spam it. It helps a ton if you compensate that with a push attack. Go L1 L2 L3 PA repeat. No downtime in swinging at all.

And obviously aim for head level. If your character is short, it actually does change your view if you increase your height. I prefer max height from a mechanics stand point. But main point being brutal momentum doesn't do anything if you aint lobbing heads.

[somber axle]

I agree

Longlas too

[strong crypt]

anyone got any good vet bolt gun builds?

[tidal fox]

yes

[strong crypt]

You gunna share?

[tidal fox]

we dont share secrets in the militarum

and we aint starting now

[tame lodge]

Oh voices in my head

Make a build for bolt gun

And share it

NOW!

cough

Give it a sec

[strong crypt]

is this how psykers do psyker things?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[strong crypt]

WA

why it work for you

the systems rigged

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stand-proud-gray-role-discord-role-discord-sukuna-gif-1277038297264023502

It's your role

You gotta yap until you're red

[strong crypt]

Thats understandable

[tame lodge]

Anyways bolter has 1 finesse so MMF is aight with it

You could also do something like this if you plan to melee often too

Although this doesn't have the attack speed node

You could probably drop the 2 subnodes on the keystone

Something like

[strong crypt]

most the time as vet Im avoiding melee where I can

thats what my arbi and zealot are for

[tame lodge]

Well at least you're not fully neglecting it

What a relief

You could try something like this too

And either get Killzone or lock and loaded

It's like the MMF build but you have skirmisher

[tidal fox]

VET IS THE RANGED CLASS RAHHHHHH

[tame lodge]

He's joking chat

https://tenor.com/view/hypixel-forums-gif-23300389

[tall torrent]

Don’t

[hybrid plover]

ur doing it wrong

[strong crypt]

I avoid it if I can, but I am prepared at all times to whip it out and start whacking

Also idk if this is a hot take but power faucian > power sword

That or shock maul are my two main melee staples of my vet depending on the build

[tall torrent]

this is not a hot take, this is just plain incorrect take

[hybrid plover]

this is probably why you avoid melee lol

Falchion unfortunately is lacking in some serious key traits to make it reliable.

And shock maul, while its CC is great, it's not known for being the greatest damage dealer

[strong crypt]

The duality of man

Obviously my take is correct and there’s no other opinion (obvi this is a joke)

[distant plaza]

Shock Maul > Power Falchion
Fight me

[turbid ibex]

at least maul has a niche

falchion has nothing

[thorn lark]

both feels better because power sword is like using a 10kg iron bar with an asthamatic and out of shape vet

but iron bar > plastic toys

[atomic void]

power sword users be like wooha check out my sick macro

[thorn lark]

step1 block step2 special step3 light step4 light step5 none

[turbid ibex]

step5 is another light

:3

[thorn lark]

oh yes 3 you are right

[turbid ibex]

as always

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HEhgcKTa4AAzIbS.webp

[hybrid plover]

you don't always have to do the third light

[quiet lark]

weird way of spelling deimos

[tall torrent]

don't need macro

[hybrid plover]

Power sword is really one note with its moveset

[strong crypt]

I can get behind this

[hybrid plover]

If you need to macro because you have to press an extra key in your combos

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent is the dmg from mkx push stab the same as sprint stab?

[hybrid plover]

There's a fair chance you just need to get better at the game lmao

[tall torrent]

what weapon?

[thorn lark]

rb mkx

[tall torrent]

I hav RB updated in me guide

atk stats

[thorn lark]

!!!!!!

[tall torrent]

so clean

[thorn lark]

heavy sword is not updated though

[tall torrent]

yea

I started playing FFW

but I will get around to updating everything

and adding more stuff

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[tall torrent]

og is on schedule now that ogrynomicon is discontinued

[thorn lark]

if you could do class specific weapons too

whaaat???

[strong crypt]

Shovel enters the chat

[tame lodge]

Of course ogrynomicon is discontinued

It's ogryn

No but fr

They're getting discontinued?

[tall torrent]

well I did

[strong crypt]

An ogrynomicon implies they can read

[tall torrent]

relic blade is there

[quiet lark]

relic blade is class specific lol

[tame lodge]

Sad day for

No one

[thorn lark]

I mean first

[tall torrent]

I think I'll do eviscerator next?

[thorn lark]

for other classes

[tall torrent]

eh, sure

[thorn lark]

melee weapons

[tall torrent]

when I feel like it

[tame lodge]

Hah
Good luck

[tall torrent]

some class-exclusive weapons are really simple

and some are fucked up beyond repair (like eviscerator)

but I already did 2 chain weapons so might as well get it over with

[strong crypt]

Eviscerator makes up for it with aura

[tall torrent]

aura of mid

[strong crypt]

Yea but for like 3 seconds it’s rlly cool

[tame lodge]

Just don't need to talk about the 3 different breakpoints for +25% damage

[tall torrent]

I also have really wack build recommendation for both eviscerator variants

[tame lodge]

If any of them have Wrath as blessing I'll ignore it

[tall torrent]

perfect strike + rampage for III
bloodthirsty + rampage for XV
that's what I run for them atm

[tame lodge]

Lemme guess
Not running Shred on mk3 because 40-60% CRIT chance is enough

[thorn lark]

why less finesse

[atomic void]

they will make latch attacks sew fast and extend evis size by 3x and make it 2x more girthy in the next update trust

[thorn lark]

😭

[tall torrent]

great question
ask fat fish

[tame lodge]

Specifically mk15 too

Also the voices told me zealot will get an Iconic next update

[atomic void]

new iconic is just twbs

[tall torrent]

it's because H sweep considers maniac as x300% mass and has 8 cleave so a single dreg rager/mutant will stop it and I like when my melee weapon doesn't suck abysmal dogshit vs rager groups

[tame lodge]

We take those🗣️

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah this makes sense

[tall torrent]

perfect strike is also basically on demand for zealot with FOTF

[tame lodge]

Running Bloodthirsty Perfect Strike Evis15 because I'm bored

+unarmored for 1 tick CRIT rev heavy kill on dreg gunners

+unyielding for 1 rev heavy body bulwark

[thorn lark]

lesgooo

[tame lodge]

Today we'll be talking about the lex

https://tenor.com/view/penis-butthead-talking-about-gif-22347372

[strong crypt]

Updated ive now played with this build with some smmall adjustments to give my melee some moore power and it slaps

[stark holly]

wait, a sweep attack considers maniac as more hit mass than they actually are? does that mean a light attack might actually have more cleave in that case

or am I misunderstanding what you just said

[tall torrent]

Eviscerator’s heavy sweep has that property, yes

It also considers flak as x75% mass so it’s better at cleaving flak (effectively ~10.67 base cleave vs flak)

[stark holly]

things can never just be straight forward in this game

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

@tame lodge

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's something Rin would do

[prime wyvern]

did he summon a

eldritch monster? on the soccer field...?

[languid crypt]

An elder ghoulie

[crimson garden]

Is power sword and recon lasgun a good pairing?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

It happens from time to time

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-made-some-bullshit-gif-13125968865691459490

[hearty panther]

I liked Jagaaan

[sly orchid]

Bros summoning mahoraga for a soccer match

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent why mention smiter? This variant only has h smiter.

[drowsy perch]

the mk1 shovel is actually insane

it stuns anything with its like 0.5s special

even muties

[steep flower]

If you hit the head ye

[lusty sedge]

I HAF NOTIFIKATION THAT SOMEONE MENTION BUT CAN'T FIND

I CANT FIND THE CAP LOCK EITHER

[lusty sedge]

oh here it is

so the domain is supposed to border segmentum obscurus

[slow sky]

Nooooooo its not metuuhhhhh
Just use powur sooorrrddd

[tame lodge]

That's just the level needed to rival Isagi

He's on a different timing

Not a single ball in sight 😭

[turbid ibex]

What the fuck even is this

[tame lodge]

There's no way you don't know Big Raga

[turbid ibex]

There is

[tame lodge]

It's a shikigami

A summon

That is capable of adapting to everything

It's naturally hyper aggressive and all of that

The joke here is that both of the characters in that edit are capable of adapting

[turbid ibex]

No what the fuck is this manga

All i know about shikigami are the two from touhou

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/163175631562080256/1496172631592931530/image0.gif

[tame lodge]

It's about football

[turbid ibex]

allegedly

[tame lodge]

It's just that serious dawg

Anyways
Either every player in there is schizophrenic and see shit
Or
Those things actually are there

Because if the god of football is real in Blue Lock

What else is

[tame lodge]

Like dude

They are all fighting inner demons

Read blue lock

[desert viper]

Do people do shred wrath for their chainswords on vet

or rampage instead of wrath

[hearty panther]

usually wrath

idk where rampage is nowadays on the list

[tame lodge]

If you're Mk4 your 8 cleave heavies make good usage of rampage

If you're Xiiig you gotta combo

So if you don't want to combo with Xiiig you go eeath and light spam

[tall torrent]

oh yea

fixed

[ocean talon]

Been seeing some +% Unarmoured Damage on Plasma Gun in h40. Is this good? If so, why? 🤔

[tame lodge]

Dreg Bomber

Dreg Gunner

[tall torrent]

because 1 shotting dreg gunner & tox bomber is useful

[ocean talon]

Ah, ty.

[thorn lark]

I´d like people to just shot them more tbh

[hollow ibex]

oof

massive nerf to kraks

@tall torrent your dream came true

loool

[tall torrent]

still too much

[tall torrent]

Veteran

Split talent ‘Demolition Stockpile’ into different replenish timers for each Blitz
    Krak Grenades from 60s to 90s
    Frag and Smoke Grenades unchanged at 60s
Krak Grenades
    Max charges from 4 to 3 (With ‘Grenadier’, from 5 to 4)

I don't get the krak charge reduction

isn't the current value 3 base (4 with grenadier)

[hollow ibex]

i think so

[tall torrent]

why they say 4 down to 3 base, and with grenadier 5 down to 4

[pseudo fiber]

First inferno staff changes

IT'S A BUFF

[hollow ibex]

yeah the SB buffs are...

oof

it's like they just assumed people are already using SB with old uncanny

[tall torrent]

fuck me I gotta redo the mid ass shovel section in guide again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[hollow ibex]

all that work for a mid weapon

😭

[tall torrent]

I am so glad they're buffing shovel's H sweep impact from 15 to 17.2 (changes no major stagger breakpoint whatsoever)

[dreamy spade]

Lmao why have krak nades been nerfed so hard

[hollow ibex]

prob overnerfed yeah

[tough nova]

Ok so

They buffed purgatus

Unless im reading this wrong

[turbid ibex]

it is a buff to the base

[past junco]

so no krak nades

[turbid ibex]

but you wont be able to exploit uncanny with it

[past junco]

big sad

[dreamy spade]

Yup, they basically removed the rending synergy and gave a flat boost Vs carapace, which makes no sense

[hollow ibex]

the SB buff is fucking stupid

[gloomy rivet]

Veteran gets kicked in the balls, picked back up, and then kicked in the balls again

[tough nova]

They open talking about bringing down outlier power level and RAISED one of the biggest outliers

[turbid ibex]

tbf even with the increase to soulblaze adm vs carapace its not going to be anywhere close to what you can currently do with uncanny

[dreamy spade]

The rending synergies were good for stuff like bleed, it took actual build thinking, all they had to do was nerf uncanny lol

[gloomy rivet]

Hive scum movement has ruined every other classes’ movement I feel so sluggish and slow now

[eager ruin]

Wow rotten turned to infested is surprising

[tall torrent]

yes

[tall torrent]

this is a good change

90s krak seems fair to me

but

I don't get what the reduced amount is

[turbid ibex]

maybe in another test build they tested increasing the amount and forgot that never went live?

[tough nova]

Maybe they communicated poorly

[dry cloak]

@sly dragon here. difference between marks is moveset

[somber axle]

they said they're nerfing Crusher spawns by 30%, and then additionally all Ogryn type enemy spawns (including Crushers) by an additional 15% for Havoc so like they're probably thinking that reducing the spawns so much could make Kraks too good? idk

[sly dragon]

oh, ty!

[tall torrent]

krak is insane if u know how to manipulate slots

[somber axle]

the 90 sec Demo Stockpile Krak nerf seems fine

[tall torrent]

which almost every good player that doesn't main psyker know how to do at this point

[somber axle]

yeah you can get some really tasty Kraks wiping out groups of Ogryns

I'm just thinking that the reason for the Krak nerf is because of the nerf to Ogryn spawns

[sly dragon]

so it'd be specifically the turtolsky MK VII heavy sword

[turbid ibex]

probably yeah

[past junco]

Did they word the Krak wrong?

[dry cloak]

? explain further please

[turbid ibex]

60s cooldown on krak would prob mean you'd almost always have one when needed

[sly dragon]

vostroyan firstborn soldiers primarily use the turtolsky mk vii heavy sword as melee if they go with that

[tall torrent]

it's not that big a deal cuz demo team still exists

[turbid ibex]

true

[dry cloak]

all are turtolsky. like i said. try each mark and see which moveset fits you best

[tall torrent]

it shud just be less kraks thrown across a mission

but like, normally u don't throw it much outside ogryn waves and bosses anyway

I don't mind this change

[sly dragon]

yeah kraks are usually just for one annoying enemy or a boss

2 or 3, 3 or 4 i'm still shoving my kraks down it's gob

[dry cloak]

its usually. ,,i dont want to deal with you,, and gets kraked

[sly dragon]

yeah the change just makes it less of a panic button and more of "i don't want to deal with this particular thing right now"

[tall torrent]

@past junco @dreamy spade @turbid ibex @somber axle krak amount unchanged, just 90s regen instead of 60s

[somber axle]

yeah that note was goofy

it was already at that number

[faint beacon]

Uncanny found dead

Curious how Itll effect the one merchant of it Sapper Shovel

[tall torrent]

still too op

[past junco]

I don't know, man, it's like someone in Fatshark didn't even play their own game

[faint beacon]

Look rending nerfs across the board is good cause it’s needed

[tall torrent]

a very long list of changes mostly to fuck with me

[tame lodge]

Nah
Fatshark always know what they are doing

[somber axle]

their intent is to try to make other blessings more attractive

[tame lodge]

So don't worry about it

[faint beacon]

Not a fan of toning down the uh- Ogryn spawns

Genuinely made the game fun

[somber axle]

is the new Uncanny Strikes going from rending to brittleness even going to change anything

[tall torrent]

yes

instead of being constant +100% rending for all ur atks

[somber axle]

so you'd drop Uncanny for a different blessing?

[tall torrent]

it'll just be 40% brit on enemies from 2 hits

[somber axle]

that's what I mean by change things

[tall torrent]

which is still mega op

[faint beacon]

So just overall ADM buffs that’ll slightly tweak its damage

[somber axle]

If you're still taking that blessing nothing changed

[faint beacon]

Noted..

[past junco]

haha yeah all I got from that was sapper shovels might be alright again

[tall torrent]

and gonna be run with basically every weapon that has it

[past junco]

well ill take your word for it then

[somber axle]

like their goal is to make it so people think about choosing other options over Uncanny

[tall torrent]

they're pretty small changes but a lot of small changes will add up to mean smth bigger

[somber axle]

if people are not interested in looking into other blessing combos it didn't change anything

at least in that regard

[faint beacon]

Yeah I figured

[tall torrent]

but the real change is that I gotta look into code again to update the mid ass shovel's section in my guide

which is infinitely worse

[faint beacon]

If they can somehow make shovel feel less clunky I’m sold basically

It’s on the cusp to me

Falchion?…

[past junco]

Yeah, since overall carapace won't be that much a struggle anymore, maybe it is a good thing to look at other blessings.

[somber axle]

What other blessing are you considering instead of Uncanny on Shovel?

[tall torrent]

they buffed shovel's H sweep's stagger from 17.25 to 19.78 which I'm pretty sure changes a collective total of 0 (yes really zero) major stagger breakpoints

[past junco]

im going to be real with you here, no clue lol

[tall torrent]

this is not a choice

I just read the ADMs again

and no u will still want uncanny 100% of the time

[somber axle]

in my head I'm wondering if that weird H Sweep Stagger changes anything with Hammerblow or Trauma but that's assuming that Uncanny is optional and it doesn't feel like the change to Uncanny is optional

[past junco]

[faint beacon]

DS got nerfed slightly

Good

[dreamy spade]

All that to still be ahh

[sly orchid]

haiii gale

[faint beacon]

Color me not surprised

[tall torrent]

0.35 carapace ADM on its 1 single target atk
yea ur still gonna want uncanny 24/7

[tame lodge]

I can still bet I'll be able to replicate the parry 1 shot with it

[tall torrent]

very slightly

[somber axle]

very unfortunate I really want to go Skullcrusher/Trauma

[faint beacon]

But they worded Reworked uncanny to literally just be Onslaught but for a Blessing

[void gyro]

RIP uncanny frags though :C

[faint beacon]

I’m ngl

[tall torrent]

too bad
if they made shovel good at stagger then skullcrusher would be more value

[faint beacon]

Would it be funny pairing it with Onslaught?

Probably

Am I going to try it?

Most likely

[tall torrent]

no

[faint beacon]

Will it be effective

Fuck no

[tall torrent]

cuz ur gonna max brit in 2 hits anyway

onslaught makes no difference

and is just bad

[somber axle]

maybe one day when Uncanny isn't mandatory

[tame lodge]

Unless they stack separately which wasn't specified so it's probably just generic brittle

[tall torrent]

it is just generic brit

[faint beacon]

Rending strikes unironically gaining more value for some reason now

[past junco]

bruh man that's the problem half of the blessing are just shit XD

[tall torrent]

yea ik

more than half in fact

[somber axle]

I just really want shovel to be a stagger machine

[somber axle]

let the bonk weapon send them staggering pls

[tall torrent]

too bad cuz playtester said if shovel could H sweep weakspot stagger rager it'd be too good

cole told me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[somber axle]

I'm in agony

[past junco]

bruh for real?

[faint beacon]

Well we got special for that

[somber axle]

special poke is 1 rager

[faint beacon]

Also it’s a war crime the Falchion is flying under the radar again

[somber axle]

the swarm is here

[tall torrent]

yea I told cole I think shovel H sweep shud be able to do that and he said it'd be too good

[tame lodge]

Essentially speaking

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[tame lodge]

Fatshark wants it to be mid

And there's nothing you can do about it

[wild vortex]

Been a hot minute since I logged in, and I just read they're nerfing carapace finally (thank fuck) but buffing psyker?

[tall torrent]

the only thing worse than admitting oneself is wrong is admitting that path was right

[faint beacon]

So we’re forced to use the boring ass Powersword

[tame lodge]

You're just a consoomer and you'll just consoome

[faint beacon]

SIGHHHHH

hate this game…

[past junco]

too good? why is that a problem in a pve game?

[somber axle]

Crusher spawns down globally 30%, all Ogryn spawns (including Crushers again) down 15% in Havoc

[tall torrent]

idk lol
I'm against crazy power creep but shovel isn't remotely close to being in that realm for me

[somber axle]

they're really shoving Crushers out the door

[faint beacon]

In H40 terms this means

[tame lodge]

Fatshark knows what they are doing

[faint beacon]

30 to 27

[tame lodge]

[somber axle]

they're also looking at Bulwark spawns

[past junco]

thats just dumb

[sly orchid]

dont forget rotten armor override is now infeted instead of carapace

[wild vortex]

How is Psyker getting another buff, I don't get it

[tall torrent]

this is actually a great change

[wild vortex]

Mind boggling

[sly orchid]

genuinely a good change

[tall torrent]

now havoc just needs 457+ other changes to be good

[sly orchid]

real and true

[faint beacon]

I

Not a fan honestly

[tame lodge]

Rocking Chainsword against rotten armor

[past junco]

Haha we getting there now

[faint beacon]

I’d rather they be tanky as fuck but like less of them spawn

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-peak-is-this-peak-so-peak-peak-it's-just-so-peak-gif-1360442599844596686

[sly orchid]

rotten armor sucks donkey dick lets be real

almost the entire playerbase hated it

[tall torrent]

it means u can't cheese it with rending
and infested also means far more weapons are viable

[tame lodge]

Like Chainsword

[tall torrent]

yea, EVEN the chainsword

[sly orchid]

actually its funny that bleed didnt get its adm touched

[tame lodge]

Hsword might become meta for rotten armor

No pause

[faint beacon]

Fastest decaying DOT next to burn IIRC

That’s probably why

[tall torrent]

no, just fastest decay period

burn decay is quite slow

[tame lodge]

Good Infested damage + deathblow?
Hell yeah

[sly orchid]

i genuinely didnt expect such a radical change with rending

[faint beacon]

I keep seeing Decay and Shiv Deadlock keeps flashbanging in my head

[tall torrent]

cooked in da head u might be

[tall torrent]

not enough

[faint beacon]

Cooked with Swag unfortunately

[past junco]

so there will be some enemies with rotten armour but most of them will be infested enemies like poxwalkers, pox hounds, mutants, tox flamers, and such, how will that work with the other buffs applied to that?

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/viktor-deadlock-gif-538417882837976809

[tall torrent]

no, all rot armor enemies will just be infested armor type

[past junco]

ah

[arctic ridge]

Watch pox walker needing 2 consecutive pushes, to be staggered away.

[past junco]

thats just funny

[tall torrent]

which is actually really interesting because afaik there're no weapons that do tremendously high dmg vs infested compared to other armor types

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Infested has always been

Kinda on the low

[somber axle]

you seem so upset writing that LMFAO

[arctic ridge]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out -- staggering a rushing rotten pox walker requires a melee hit & then a push.

[tall torrent]

DT chainsword disappointed me so much I flat out don't use it in SM2

[past junco]

would that mean youll need to dodge the pox hounds instead of shoving them?

[arctic ridge]

Only pushed after it pounces.

[somber axle]

DT Chainsword disappoints me too but I keep holding out hope it will one day shine

[sly orchid]

sm2 chainsword is quite fun

[somber axle]

Plus I can still kinda have fun with it on Hive Scum

[tall torrent]

it's alr

I uninstalled SM2 tho

[sly orchid]

bruh