veteran-class

[somber axle]

wait you can change ragdolls??

I had no idea

[trail quartz]

i see now. the range of the PS is further

[unreal nova]

Default is 3 min.

[sly orchid]

this chud... called tinycat posted it already

[unreal nova]

You can edit it to 1.

[somber axle]

I remember seeing Mr. Unc vids where he sends things into orbit but thought it was a mod or something

[sly orchid]

super impact

[unreal nova]

Do not put 0. Will crash when you get into a fight.

[south spindle]

That's the 6 hench dudes surrounding the tiny bird on the casting couch meme if I ever seen it

[unreal nova]

Safer for you, also more damage when you break it.

[somber axle]

put me on the couch I'll WIN

[trail quartz]

meh i check it jsut out, anyone wanna joijn ?

[sly orchid]

twin thinks shes ryu hayabusa

[somber axle]

idk who that is I just love fighting big packs of Crushers and Maulers

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ninja-gaiden-2-ninja-gaiden-4--k01KQMV03VV4ZN5Q11YD6MF5G0V

your missing out

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[somber axle]

they look cool but I have no idea what game that's from

[narrow frost]

whoops

wrong replay

[tall torrent]

it's a bit further but not that much further

[sly orchid]

youve never heard of ninja gaiden?

[tall torrent]

u do need to learn to read enemy atks with power sword

which I appreciate a lot

[south spindle]

Jesus, at least get to know me first

[sly orchid]

haiiiii ainz

[somber axle]

I've heard of the name but I've never played it

I think I have a friend who maybe might have played it but they're mainly a Dark Souls/Elden Ring player

so idk

most of my friends play RPGs or MMORPGs

[sly orchid]

You probably play valorant and overwatch...

[somber axle]

No I love horror

[trail quartz]

lets jsut play omg whats the dilemma.. xD

[somber axle]

Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Signalis

but also stuff like FFXIV, Risk of Rain 2, Helldivers 2, Darktide

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-leon-s-leon-s-kennedy-kennedy-resident-evil-gif-16601873597413345595

Its the unc in my pfp

[somber axle]

I was drawn to Darktide mostly because the trailer made it seem like a horror game

YEAH

Leon is fantastic

[trail quartz]

also, where the fuck to i dinf my fat-shartk code?

[sly orchid]

go to your social menu

[unreal nova]

Brutally hard game that came out likely before you were born. Remasters are now out though.

[trail quartz]

so yo uare dissaponted ._ .

[trail quartz]

thanks

[somber axle]

I'm not sure I'd be into it tbh. A friend tried to get me into Elden Ring and I didn't enjoy the gameplay. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy something just because it's brutally hard

[trail quartz]

you dont like meachanics and such tings? : o

[unreal nova]

It's more action/reaction than memorisation from my memory on the Xbox.

[sly orchid]

ninja gaiden would be too hard for you

not even derogatory

[somber axle]

Not really. It does feel like a horror game when you're the last one standing and the spawn director is throwing EVERYTHING at you. When you're alone in a Lights Out map, fighting hordes of poxbursters, ragers and trying to 1v2 a Chaos Spawn and Plague Ogryn it feels like a horror game. And the rush of surviving that and clutching it out to get to the next checkpoint and get everyone back up is priceless

[sly orchid]

lights out is peak darktide

[trail quartz]

it didnt wurked btw i dont see my shit : ( why is it so stupid

[unreal nova]

Would rather not lights out, but the rest... yeah.

[somber axle]

I believe you 100%. I'm not joking either LOL Elden Ring wasn't hard, but I didn't mesh with the gameplay. I didn't get very far to be fair. But that game would've definitely roadblocked me

I do want to play Bloodborne though

I like the setting/theme

I think I'd suffer for that game

[sly orchid]

ninja gaiden is more an action hack and slash

[unreal nova]

More reaction than memorisation.

[somber axle]

I'm very picky with my gameplay. I couldn't get into Baldur's Gate 3, Divitinity Original Sin or Rogue Trader because the camera style was wonky. But I played similar RPGs like KOTOR 1 and 2 that played similarly

[trail quartz]

i raeaolly thing, dear: you must have an afficction for warhammer 40k (skyfi) or vermintide (thats he fantasy lore of it) warhammer is a HUGE universe, no joke

[somber axle]

Darktide is the only 40k game I've played tbh

[unreal nova]

Uhh... KotoR 1/2 has an over the shoulders cam.

[somber axle]

I tried Vermintide but couldn't get into it

I really wanted to and I will eventually give Vermintide 1 and 2 another chance

[trail quartz]

did you ever played VT1 or 2? : o

[trail quartz]

no worries. : 3

[sly orchid]

its a shame you cant get into rogue trader

its a peak rpg for the setting

maybe dark heresy will be more your speed when it had its 1st dlc

[hearty panther]

fashionborne

[somber axle]

Yeah that's what I mean. They had the whole queueing up actions style for KOTOR 1 and 2 which feels sorta similar to how you have turn based combat (though I guess not really now that I talk about it more) but it was more the camera being over the shoulder/third person that I meshed with, and the top down isometric camera of the other games I mentioned that pushed me away. I really enjoyed Dragon Age Origins too as another third person RPG that had a similar queue up actions gameplay loop but if it had the isometric camera I would've never given it a second look

[trail quartz]

bermintide 2 was the thing, its the warhammer "fantasie in a mediviel" setting, tats it. 40k its past due that in a far, far millenia future : )

[somber axle]

I did get into Rogue Trader briefly. A friend discovered there's technically a co-op mode

And with the tokens or whatever they could create characters for myself and another friend

We were going to D&D campaign it and play together weekly

[trail quartz]

it doesnt amtter if you know the lore. jsut enjoy the games.

[somber axle]

We just stopped at some point

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-trader-profit-factor-gif-24031910

[trail quartz]

just dont get worried.

[unreal nova]

Funny thing is DAO has both on PC from memory. You can pick NWN style or over shoulders-ish.

[trail quartz]

: 3

[unreal nova]

On console, is only over shoulders.

[somber axle]

Idk if I could do a solo playthrough of Rogue Trader. Isometric camera styles in games are boring to me. I think I played out my interest in that camera style with Warcraft III/Starcraft Brood War/League of Legends and now I'm not so interested in it

But I did enjoy playing a fair bit into Rogue Trader with friends

[somber axle]

That's really cool. I wish more games did that

I'd for sure have finished Baldur's Gate 3 if that were an option

[trail quartz]

who even asked you for that. if you can solo some shit or not who cares, you like warhammer, thats enoogh ,isn it? : 3

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/MM5QRgbK16M?is=ph2t6jCZhFnywh4F

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-shaking-gif-1214800249503457963

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader looks SO cool

Maybe I give it another chance LOL

The furthest I got in a solo playthrough was giving a speech to a bunch of orphans or something

Maybe just the children on my ship

[sly orchid]

Thats extremely early in the game

[somber axle]

I didn't get very far

[trail quartz]

do what y0ou feel like and where you feel welcomed.

[sly orchid]

Like prologue stuff

[unreal nova]

Might not work as well unless you let AI run the other chars though. Or it plays like Valkyria Chronicles.

[somber axle]

You're probably right. I just prefer first person or third person cameras way more

[distant plaza]

What are some do’s and don’ts to avoid being a toxic teammate?

[unreal nova]

Is a taste thing, I completely understand tbh.

[somber axle]

Don't take ammo if you're near full and someone else is orange or red. Don't take medicae if you're sitting on white bars and someone has a purple bar. Don't take grenades if you're Vet and have Demo Stockpile/Demo Team with a Hive Scum or Ogryn with Frag Bomb on the team. Do take Field Improv as a Vet because it benefits the team immensely. Do not shoot poxbursters if a squadmate is near it and clearly going to push

[unreal nova]

Don't shoot bursters/barrels next to teammates, share ammo well and not greed all, don't rage quit unless you actually need to get off, ping specials running away if you can't shoot them.

[south spindle]

Best bit of souls games is the PvP anyway, though Elden Ring is a mixed bag when it comes to that

[sly orchid]

Push bursters near smykers :)

[unreal nova]

Remember to drop medkit/ammo crate if it's clear the party needs them. Saving one for finale is fine, but better everyone get to it than failing before by holding on.

[somber axle]

I'm trying to think of any other do's/don't's

[south spindle]

If you want to be celebrated as a good teammate, barrel smite psykers at every possible opportunity, because they're being a bad teammate by running it

[unreal nova]

Pick up resources, you might not need it, but someone else might. If you are looting in the first place, might as well.

[midnight totem]

Do headpat ogryns, they're good lads
Do barrel zealots, you're helping them test their faith in the Emperor

[unreal nova]

Ping ammo/stims if you see them and don't need them.

[south spindle]

Don't always lemming into the meat-grinder to save someone either, sometimes it's better to keep the run alive and lose one man as opposed to risking throwing the run trying to save them

[unreal nova]

DO NOT PUT PING/TAG ON YOUR M1 OR INTERACT.

[south spindle]

Or your scroll wheel

[somber axle]

that last one is so important LMFAO

do not rebind ping to mouse 1 please dear fuck

[distant plaza]

[south spindle]

Ping spam should be a crime punishable by death

[somber axle]

it is

barrel them

[south spindle]

Real

[unreal nova]

Not on interact as well. I hate getting pinged only to not find ammo because they pinged and grabbed it.

[south spindle]

Also, not something that will make you a better teammate, but something that will make your minute to minute gameplay much smoother is to seperate dodge and jump in the keybindings

[willow prairie]

(v is the objectively best button for jumping)

[midnight totem]

Its pretty easy to be a good teammate, most things are common sense. Try to stick together always

[south spindle]

I use L-Alt tbh

[willow prairie]

bitch

[south spindle]

[somber axle]

I don't barrel people. I think it's funny if someone accidentally barrels me. I think it makes for a really good laugh and I don't mind waiting to get picked up later. I wouldn't barrel someone out of revenge or spite. All that said, you should barrel someone who has their ping bound to mouse 1. It is the morally correct thing to do

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-our-brains-gif-17743279341487461450

[south spindle]

It's now carried over to every other game too

[somber axle]

That's also true

[willow prairie]

anyway vermintide 2

I need a boytoy

[somber axle]

hard agree

[willow prairie]

@unreal nova apac spotted

vermintide 2 now

[unreal nova]

Also, un-net teammates first if they are near you. Bitch gotta reload. Unless there are multiple bitches around, then shoot the other 2 first.

[midnight totem]

I've always bound ping to interact

[willow prairie]

bound ping to m5

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-capitão-pátria-the-boys-capitão-pátria-the-boys-homelander-the-boys-gif-5584032510329876425

[tidal fox]

survival of the fittest in pubs

wanna get help? dont go down in the first place

[midnight totem]

I use a basic bitch mouse, its only got two buttons and the wheel xD

[willow prairie]

you must be living in 4th world country

or unemployed

[midnight totem]

Yes, USA, how did you know?

[unreal nova]

Please never Havoc then.

[willow prairie]

damn im sorry

[somber axle]

Ok but if you do go out of your way to help someone get out of a net ASAP it can sometimes be REALLY funny. I watched a Zealot get netted, and before we could get him out of the net, another trapper was winding up to shoot the person freeing them. The Zealot got back up JUST in time to get netted. Shortly after the second net, the first trapper returned and netted the Zealot a third time. I was wheezing

the Zealot put "????????????" in chat and I couldn't breathe

[tidal fox]

that is not my personal pov I would die helping people in pubs but most do not gaf

[midnight totem]

Nah, I have a gaming mouse, I just prefer my cheap wireless mouse

[unreal nova]

Oh, but yeah. I can understand shooting her while moving in to help, but if you are literally next door, un-netting first is better. Is just, losing someone on havoc makes things much harder, and I know from having to 300 ping holdout waiting for 3 ppl to reconnect from crashing.

[tidal fox]

people in pubs do not realize how quick it is to simply untrap someone as soon as they go down rather than spam push and attack (impotently) against the flak carapace horde

[unreal nova]

Use CC and un-net also works if there's a horde on top if it makes it easier to do it.

[tidal fox]

I generally immedietly go for the untrap cause the victim usually has their ability on speed dial

unless there's bigger problems

[unreal nova]

This is why shooting trapper 2/3 first might be important. Really depends though.

[somber axle]

Yeah usually you should free ASAP. But if there's more than one trapper be very aware that you don't join them in another net

Or accidentally set up the person you're freeing to get netted again

[unreal nova]

Which can be funny, but not on tryhard mode.

[somber axle]

Agreed

[sly orchid]

funny tho

[somber axle]

It happened at the end of a finale on an Auric Mael so most of the threats were gone and we were just cleaning up. I think the person freeing the Zealot genuinely didn't see the second trapper

Zealot was fine just so confused

LOL

[sly orchid]

i do prioritize freeing tho

with zealot res speed its extremely fast

since revive speed now works on unneting and rescuing

[unreal nova]

Went from first world to fourth world now huh.

[ocean talon]

Is [Withering Fire] worthwhile in h40 on Plasma set up for [Focused Cooling]+[Power Blast]?

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[narrow frost]

no

[ocean talon]

Base cleave more than enough then?

[narrow frost]

yes

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[ocean talon]

Aight, ty.

[midnight totem]

don't wanna get too political here, but yeah, yeah

[austere pine]

uhm

[nova frost]

just press f again
shout got interrupted lmao

[orchid hemlock]

No more shouting

[woeful fox]

Game says to be quiet.

[tawny badger]

all that shouting would lead to that

[hearty panther]

this is what archivum sycorax should be

no yelling in the library

[slow spade]

No voice lines ever upon reading reaching the archive would be funny :p

[final night]

what's wrong with him

😭

[hollow ibex]

tbf at least that's better than the 10th joke name about bodycams off and shit

[upper falcon]

Strongest melee weapon for veteran?

[hybrid plover]

Power sword 6

[upper falcon]

👍 thanks

[slow spade]

just had a player purposely trigger a daemonhost then quit to menu

surprised those types haven't been banned yet

[somber axle]

remember when Daemonhosts would kill 2 people before leaving instead of just the one who triggered it

so people would abuse it and aggro it then immediately DC to force it on the party

[formal ice]

I think that's still a thing

You leave the game and the daemon hosts attacks other player

[somber axle]

I think they kill 1 player then leave

used to be 2

[fading canopy]

i dont like it when people wake up a daemonhost that i pinged

without like, any violence around or anything

[hearty panther]

despite everything i stumble into one like a dipshit every like 500hrs or so

sometimes youre just in my 500th

[sly orchid]

just wait for the next class

itl be miserable leveling it

people triggering hosts left and right

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1494896888279994468/518A08C8B0EE99EB.mp4?ex=69f76478&is=69f612f8&hm=f0cf06e2adf87a646b78c937fe16d25564296e558afa85bf5fd447f07cf70f6a&

watch closely for the Daemonhost

it's legitimately like a horror movie moment where they lift the revolver to shoot, then lower it and the Daemonhost is there LMFAO

[sly orchid]

The funniest thing is this

Walking into a host by accident and bolting away backdodging

[somber axle]

and then the Bulwark train behind him

the spawn director was really like "fuck this guy in particular"

if he'd been like a second slower the shield wall behind him would've closed in

body block him and make him aggro the Daemonhost

[vestal lotus]

What are the things for the Plasma?

[sonic kayak]

Rising Heat + Gets Hot
Unarmored + Flak

It's not an anti-armor weapon, it's an anti shooter/specialist sniper

[vestal lotus]

Is it good at that?

[sonic kayak]

One of the best at it

[vestal lotus]

What can't be helped is my aiming

[sonic kayak]

Oh I forgot, don't charge with the gun, not worth it

[vestal lotus]

I'm not

I've learned that lesson

So its Krak and something sweeping melee for the rest

[hollow ibex]

well the hitbox on the projectile is huge

hard to miss lol

[vestal lotus]

Doesn't devil claw just suck?

[brave acorn]

Y’know literally a week ago I would’ve agreed, but it’s pretty alright

[tepid otter]

most fun melee imo

[brave acorn]

Smoking ragers is way too fun

[slow sky]

Its not the best weapon but its definitely overhated

Devils claw is a really good option for a ranged heavy vet build that can reliably deal with armor via your gun

Its definitely a "fits best in specific builds" weapon but a lot of people dont like that

They think if the weapon cant handle everything well in any build then it sucks

[somber axle]

It's fun and very effective vs Ragers and bosses but it's weak into Cara so Crusher packs need you to use Krak or have a good anti-Cara ranged option. Parrying a Daemonhost to death is very fun

[hollow ibex]

i mean it kinda isn't very good outside of hive scum

and hive scum makes any weapon good

so dclaw does kinda suck

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember seeing some people using Hammerblow/Skullcrusher on the Dclaws

idk how effective it was but they seemed to be really enjoying it

[tame lodge]

Yeah

It's one good flak buff away from being ok

[slow sky]

Its
Weird

And not very effective

[somber axle]

Is it just for staggering ragers or something

[slow sky]

The biggest time to capitalize on it would be the parry
But
You cant parry them if theyre staggered

[slow sky]

The parry does that already

[somber axle]

so what's the benefit of going Hammerblow/Skullcrusher

[slow sky]

Beats me!

[somber axle]

turn sword into long metal stick and just beat things instead of cutting or stabbing

[hybrid plover]

Ogryn stagger

That's the benefit of hammerblow

[slow sky]

Hammerblow isnt doing much cuz it doesnt have much impact in the first place

[somber axle]

Crushers too?

[slow sky]

Which it scales off of

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[somber axle]

Staggering Crushers feels worth

You're not hurting them

But you're kinda keeping them from being a threat

[slow sky]

Dclaw really wants cleave tho

[hybrid plover]

And staggering them would entail skullcrusher proccing

[slow sky]

If you wanted that then just take another weapon

[hybrid plover]

So your ranged can just do nearly double damage

[slow sky]

Shock maul actually has decent armor damage and does that way better

[somber axle]

If only No Respite wasn't bugged

[slow sky]

Youre taking a weapon that is meant for defense and hordes and instead of leaning into that you try to make it a cc weapon
So now youre doing both but worse

You unironically would get more value against crushers from crits via shred

[hearty panther]

everyone knows the dclaw is actually meant for farming youtube clips for your introductory montage

[hybrid plover]

It's a better choice on scum since vet already has shock maul for this purpose

[slow sky]

And wrath is already wanted cuz of the current density

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty damn good on hiv

naturally

[somber axle]

Scum makes anything fun

I love Chainsword on them

[vestal lotus]

It does seem I am always a ranged lad

[slow sky]

I use dclaw in h40 on helbore exe vet and brain burst gun psyker
Could trade some of the defense for more offense in the same area by swapping it with heavy sword too

[vestal lotus]

Neat

I may be dum, but Infantry Gun and Dclaw, with VoC

[brave acorn]

That’s how I’ve learned to like it: with helbore. As a self-defense weapon it’s right up there with Taxe.

[hollow ibex]

eh no it's a worse taxe

[tawny badger]

darktide but the only melee weapon you get is helbore bayonet

[somber axle]

pre-nerf Helbore could do it

[restive mountain]

Veteran

But the only grenades you get are expired cans of ravioli

[tawny badger]

base frag grenades

[upper falcon]

How is the power falchion

Is the chainsword or chainaxe good for veteran?

[tawny badger]

the falchion's one of veteran's weaker weapons

[tidal fox]

It's like if I had a wife and she wasn't a really good wife

[upper falcon]

Damn

[tidal fox]

but she is still my wife

[upper falcon]

Not using it then

Oop

Nvm

[final charm]

isn’t your wife a reflection of you

[slow sky]

its one of their weaker weapons but they also have some pretty tough competition so thats kinda expected

pfalch is the okayest okay weapon, if you fuck with it then you wont regret using it

vibing with a weapons feel is a really important factor that people overlook with weapons

[tidal fox]

Hell naw

Im like psword

I guess we're both power weapons...

[slow sky]

power sword is like one of the best melees in the game but i do not vibe with it at all
but i absolutely vibe with the shovel and end up doing way better with that cuz of it

[upper falcon]

Can someone tell me the objective tier list of the melee weapons for veteran?

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6

Rashad Combat Axe

A huge abyss of difference

Tactical Axe 7

Knife 6
Dueling Sword

Another huge abyss of difference

Heavy sword

Chain Axe 12

Another huge abyss of difference

Everything else

[willow prairie]

no shovel?

[gilded wraith]

I'd put mk1 shovel up with heavy sword and chaxe, but that's just me.

[willow prairie]

even after buff chaxe is still meh

same for hsword

unless you're scum

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately shovel is pretty mid

[tidal fox]

Unfortunately.

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's what I said

Kek

[gilded wraith]

I do love the blessings though.

[jovial lava]

man just ran into a vet that didnt have infinite grenades, the suffering I seen him go through lmao

Kinda wish i modded my game to see his build

[tame lodge]

That's 6 more weapon choices than ogryn btw

https://tenor.com/view/stk-oryx-angry-attack-shooting-gif-14743692857575838126

[upper falcon]

Best perks for power sword?

[willow prairie]

power cycler + bm/sunder

[tame lodge]

Carapace + Flak/Unyielding

[upper falcon]

Thanks guys

[drowsy perch]

is it just me or does revolver just, feel slightly worse than it used to

might just be server desync shit since theyve been pretty bad

[fluid shadow]

No ive felt it too

It doesnt feel like it did before

[drowsy perch]

like either damage is inconsistent or head hitbox is inconsistent

i feel like it probably is just the servers being particuraly bad

but i havent used revolver for a bit so i dont know when it wouldve changed

[hybrid plover]

im def not the only one then

these servers are horrible rn

[fluid shadow]

Ill get the sound cue for a headshot but not the hitmarker

And i can hit a scab gunner 3 or 4 times in the chest and it just doesnt die

For whatever reason

[hybrid plover]

My hit reg is completely unreliable too.

Like nothing I hit will give any sort of confirmation until like well over a second after

And it wasnt a consistent latency either

[fluid shadow]

At this point ive kinda leaned away from the rev anyway, with all the bs its pulling right now, its not worth the trouble

Esp since you have to reload 5 bullets 1 by 1

[willow prairie]

darktide rollback netcode real

[drowsy perch]

yeah ill aim head level at a crowd of ragers and somehow get exclusively bodyshots

not even like a single headshot

[somber axle]

I've had a lot of moments where I shoot a headshot and get the audio queue for the headshot

And then it doesn't do any damage

On a bunch of different weapons too

Helbores feel like they're the most consistent in my experience for actually headshotting

I've had a lot of Infantry Lasgun shots that hit heads, play the sound and don't actually hit the head

[drowsy perch]

i clipped the clips so i can just post this now

[willow prairie]

they're reserving the actual good server for vermintide 3 launch

[tepid otter]

is this what its like @unreal nova

[drowsy perch]

i was literally schroedingers cat

i was alive and dead at the same time and would just randomly have a heart attack

[somber axle]

oh that's awful lag LOL

if that happened to me I'd just close the game and play something else

[drowsy perch]

i was in high havoc so i had to stick through it atleast until everyone died

[frank basin]

Danktide

[tame lodge]

When you're going band for band with the vet and he brings out the god rolled plasma

[unreal nova]

With guns on high ping? Yeah. 50/50 play D&D all game rolling to hit. It also affects melee btw.

Why do you think I complain using an entire clip and half on a trapper and she ran off with 4 hp. 1 in 12 bullets hit her. 2 required to kill.

[tepid otter]

youre the greatest of us Karien

[upper falcon]

Anyone know the best rolls, blessings, perks for plasma?

There’s a lot of plasma related blessings and I can’t tell which one is better than the others

[unreal nova]

And yes, it is fun whacking away with nothing being hit for damage, just staggered. /s

[unreal nova]

68-69thermal 72-71 Charge rate, unarmoured flak, gets hot rising heat.

My brain just woke up.

68/72 requires testing to see if it works.

69/71 is guaranteed.

[upper falcon]

?

[unreal nova]

You asked for plasma.

That's minmaxxed generalist plasma.

[upper falcon]

it seems that I do not know enough about the game to understood what you just said

Like

68-69 is the stats?

Like no dump stats im guessing?

[unreal nova]

The dumps.

[upper falcon]

Oh

[willow prairie]

you only need to hit 8 shot breakpoint really

[upper falcon]

It’s considered a dumpstat if it’s not 80?

[unreal nova]

Yes, that is the lowest possible, but a gamble.

[willow prairie]

plus i find charge rate doesn't change my gameplay much

maybe im just goated

[unreal nova]

Is more if you find yourself with one but no 69/71.

You can test and see instead of burning another 2 mil.

Which may not get you one either. I think Path spent over 10 million pulling.

[willow prairie]

gacha

also difference between 71 and 60 charge rate is like

literally 0.1s iirc?

I haven't open the game in a week

[unreal nova]

Do note, by testing, I mean dropping into uprising, shooting into the air and counting. Psykhanium may lie so this is safer.

[unreal nova]

Is barely anything. Is just there in case someone pulls it and is okay to test. Cos may save time instead of buying 200+ more plasmas and filtering.

[willow prairie]

10 mils docket is also like

100 auric mael with good modifier

definitely not worth it

unlike ripper gun gacha it isn't necessary

[unreal nova]

You also have to remember the avg player plays on malice or heresy.

You get like 8k dockets per run.

More on heresy.

[unreal nova]

Why, if you have a 68-72, just upgrade till max 68 thermals and test.

If it gets 8 shots, is good.

[junior haven]

mmm just got 67/73. weh. more gambling.

[unreal nova]

Sadly.

[willow prairie]

I mean as in purposefully finding it

[unreal nova]

I suppose dumping thermals still works if poor.

[willow prairie]

no you dump charge rate instead

8 shot breakpoint is more important

[junior haven]

3 mil

[unreal nova]

Depends on which 'pro' you ask. I don't really care for plasma, only bothered to faff around after pulling a 68/72.

Also, is why I know 68/72 can be 8 shots. I have one.

[junior haven]

just spent a little over 10mil trying to chase 68/72. I got the right distribution a few times but 72 on ammo each time. gonna try to sell all these grays and shoot a little longer.

[drowsy perch]

why not dump ammo and max everything else

thats what i'd do

tho idk how much ammo PG uses

[junior haven]

seriously hit like 5 of these now

[quiet lark]

plasma likes ammo

[unreal nova]

You should be chasing 69/71. The other is more, if you find it while looking, just test it.

[junior haven]

boom

little over 11mil

[drowsy perch]

brunt has been PMO lately too

[junior haven]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[drowsy perch]

spent like 200k trying to get a mobility dump and every single roll had mobility at 80

[unreal nova]

Seems normal. Takes me up to 2 mil for a mobility dump at times.

99% damage dumps.

Then again, am unlucky.

[willow prairie]

bitch ass mfs stealing all my luck

[junior haven]

68 does get 8 shots.

[thorn lark]

69/71 > 6./7. > 6/7 > 67

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-boom-gif-17940686

[drowsy perch]

imagine if every stat u could get was 67

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-kleiner-dr-kleiner-kleiner-dancing-bchungus-half-life-gif-3279948397798509836

[thorn lark]

but you can have a 76 everything weapon

[unreal nova]

So you overdid it and pulled 2. Well, guess you can convert one to magdump build.

Blaze away and optimised cooling.

[junior haven]

i did it as an experiment and because I have literally nothing else to spend on

[unreal nova]

Oh. Lul. Got a ripper as well?

[junior haven]

Yep

[unreal nova]

All cosmetics in the dockets shop. XD

[junior haven]

Yep

[unreal nova]

4 million for Cryptic?

[junior haven]

I don't know what that is.

[unreal nova]

File name for new upcoming class.

[junior haven]

No, but I'm still sitting on 1 mil so I think I'll get there by then.

[unreal nova]

Is rough amount to buyout to max mastery for like 6 weapons.

[copper vector]

does gunner dmg resist work against ranged grunts

[thorn lark]

no

Dreg Gunner (Cultist Gunner)
Scab Gunner (Renegade Gunner)
Reaper (Chaos Ogryn Gunner)

[reef ember]

Hey there, I'm sure this has been asked a ton of times but I couldn't find anything on the pins: For the plasma gun, what should be my "dump stat"? I've looked all sort of guides and I've seen split opinions on charge rate and thermal resistance

So I thought I'd just try to get a weapon that is 70% in both but so far I haven't been lucky enough to get one of those

I personally felt like charge speed was less important than thermal resistance but I've been "wrong" on feelings before, so I thought I'd ask here

[pseudo fiber]

Plasma's doesn't have a traditional dumpstat since all of them are useful

An optimal plasma gun has 80 in everything with 69 thermal and 71 charge

[reef ember]

I assume those numbers are for certain breakpoints?

[pseudo fiber]

The reason for such bizarre numbers is 69 thermal allows for 8 shots without venting heat (same as 80) and the rest go in to charge rate

[reef ember]

oooh

so less than 69 is "no good"?

[sly orchid]

honestly harder than getting a 80 60 stat split

[reef ember]

you say that but I got have a bunch of either of those and not one with a decent "50/50 split"

[pseudo fiber]

Technically. If you can't be arsed with all this just dumb charge rate and move on with your day but optimally you want 69/71

[reef ember]

but at least I have a goal to work towards, thanks for the advice :)

[pseudo fiber]

There's one other thing

If you get a plasma gun with 68% thermal and 71% charge empower it and test it

Because there's a chance some 68% rolls have 8 shots

[reef ember]

sounds like a rounding thing like 3 stam

I'll check it out, so far the best split one I found was 63/77

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it is basically the 8 shot breakpoint is like 68.5639393 or something so if you roll above that on your 68% roll you have got a shiny plasma gun

[reef ember]

[unreal nova]

The minmax is 68/72 if you get very lucky.

Really no diff, but fragments of a sec worth diff. XD

Hell, even a 70/70 wouldn't be a visible thing.

You can only feel it between the straight 80/60 dumps if you are focusing on it.

[tepid otter]

what are uhh, perks on the ADS revolver again

was it flak + unarmored

[turbid ibex]

thats plasma

revolver is unyielding+flak iirc

[ocean talon]

Is it worth taking [Deadshot] with the plasma gun?
Between [Weapon Specialist], [Power Blast], etc. I feel like I'm getting enough crit chance, but maybe it frees up a slot for another blessing or similar?

[distant plaza]

iirc deadshot doesnt work with plasma, no ads

[ocean talon]

oh that doesnt count? nvm then. ty

[turbid ibex]

no

deadshot isnt worth it on anything really

[obtuse crypt]

is agile engament worth keeping if u use the boltgun?

[gilded wraith]

If you're on the pc, try running uptime mod to see how much use you're getting out of agile engagement. Great talent, but its benefit is entirely user dependent.

I personally don't swap consistently enough to get the most out of it.

[final charm]

if you have one motion it is pretty easy to get it consistently

I meant keep the buff up, it’s good for just about any weapon.

[obtuse crypt]

still feel like its not perfect for me, im rarely running and gunning and swapping weps to actiavte it either i am shooting or meeleing, most of the time im busy staying alive instead of using mechnics like this

[final charm]

It’s free damage. it’s strong when you’re running weapon specialist.

[turbid ibex]

bolter isnt really a good weapon specialist gun

[quiet lark]

i would say it's fine to drop with bolter

[turbid ibex]

ye bolter is one of the weapons where i'd say agile can be dropped

[final charm]

how so?

[turbid ibex]

takes too long to swap

[quiet lark]

swap time is too long even with one motion for bolter to really benefit from ws

it definitely can work but it's not really ideal

[turbid ibex]

its not really because it doesnt benefit from WS that it makes the whole playstyle just feel awkward

[quiet lark]

yeah that's what i meant

[ocean talon]

Just tested the [Invigorated] node on [Weapon Specialist]. It's absolute trash right?
20% Stamina back is basically one push, and nothing in terms of blocking. Plus that duration of cost reduction seems useless. Not missing anything am I?

[fair shale]

Bolter is not a gun you wanna be swapping back and forth with often ime, unless you can TKnife cancel the anim on zealot

[turbid ibex]

only subnode worth picking for WS is always prepared

[final charm]

On your toes?

[turbid ibex]

vet doesn't have the points to spare

besides you also have confirmed kill giving you plenty of toughness

[final charm]

ig, just seems like an easy toughness source for swapping weps

[maiden wasp]

vet doesn't exactly have toughness gen issues

[quiet lark]

if you have a point to spare and you need toughness +25 tn / out for blood probably does more

[maiden wasp]

^honestly this

[final charm]

I can’t imagine any of my builds without out for blood

[turbid ibex]

confirmed kill is usually enough

[maiden wasp]

the bigger thing is getting more raw toughness because vet has insane sources of toughness dr

[turbid ibex]

i mean

not really

we have like iron will and thats about it from what i can remember

[maiden wasp]

exhilerating takedown, close order drill, iron will off the top of my head

the values of which are nuts

[turbid ibex]

oh right i forgot about close order

most builds dont take exhilerating though

[orchid hemlock]

yeah vet doesn't have consistent tough regen, they are all conditional

ogryn sorta is conditional, but the condition is just hitting stuff

[maiden wasp]

ET:30% COD: up to 33% IW is 50% above 75

[orchid hemlock]

now that i think about it, after all of the reworks, all classes have insane toughness regen 💀

except vet

[turbid ibex]

i mean

exestance and confirmed kill

[orchid hemlock]

true but im talking about just existing constant otughness regen

psyker is psyker

zealot has 2 constant toughness regen all the time

[turbid ibex]

if youre playing on higher difficulties those might as well be constant

[orchid hemlock]

arbi has regen on everything

scum just gets regen from anything shooting it

[turbid ibex]

no shortage of elites and specialists to proc confirmed kill as well as tactical awareness for more uptime on exestance

[maiden wasp]

people actually complaining about toughness regen not being enough for any class in the current state of the game unironically just need to learn to take less damage.

[turbid ibex]

hell its not even that hard to have full uptime on exestance

[maiden wasp]

this

[orchid hemlock]

ogryn can just stand there never dodging and shoot at everything

[maiden wasp]

and that's a good thing?

[orchid hemlock]

give ogryn pickpocket and my life is yours Fatshark

[hybrid plover]

Tbf some weps with the appropriate blessings let you do that on vet too

Probably not necessary

But they do exist

[gilded wraith]

Is vet the only class without a pure damage reduction talent? I see lots of tdr options.

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[hybrid plover]

Vet is the closest actual example of a glass cannon

[hollow ibex]

really is

[formal ice]

When gun guy doesn't gun

[unreal totem]

yeah, plasma gun is busted

[obtuse crypt]

why

[turbid ibex]

really good for hybrid vet and saves a point compared to most other options

since you dont need always prepared with it

[obtuse crypt]

never run always prepared anyways i cant leave a half loaded mag my brain needs it to be releaded

😄

[ocean talon]

Just ran a few 40s with the Power Falchion (Aridin Mk I), and honestly it feels pretty good.
It's getting beefed up a fair bit with talents, but it seemed reliable enough in a build where I have the Plasma out most of the time elsewise.
I remember the verdict being it was fairly mid.
How badly am I gimping myself compared to the other melee options?

[turbid ibex]

a lot

[hollow ibex]

it's fine as a ranged build sidearm

that's the one niche it has

[turbid ibex]

and it gets pretty much completely outclassed by tac axe in that niche

[ocean talon]

For context I've bounced around Combat Blade, Duelling Sword, Power Sword, and the Tac Axe recently; and this seems to more or less hold its own.

[unreal totem]

kills everything pretty fast

[ocean talon]

Tac Axe (Atrox Mk VII - yes?) does do the whole "Emperor's Lawn Mower" thing pretty well yeah. And the pushes fit the combo nicely too.
The single target on it feels better than the Falchion, sure, but how else is it outclassing?

[turbid ibex]

mobility

damage

stagger

blessings

[ocean talon]

Fair. I mean I like it a lot already. Kinda using it on every class that can take it pretty often.
That being said, never really been sure when it's worth using the alt stagger attacks. What's the realistic use case for that in h40s?

[turbid ibex]

uhh idk

prob ragers?

[unreal totem]

double vet survivalist aura, does it work or should I change?

[maiden wasp]

spamming them into ragers or crushers to build stacks of bleed or tox

[ocean talon]

I don't think it bypasses stagger resist like other specials --- Doesn't say it does in inspect screen at least. Not sure if it can interrupt their combo??

[turbid ibex]

auras dont stack

[turbid ibex]

it does

[ocean talon]

Tried this with scum, yeah, but tbh I didn't feel in danger using only the damage variant in that case too

[ocean talon]

Oh neat. ty. Is that base or during the attack where they get extra stagger resist too?

[turbid ibex]

its the special attacks

[ocean talon]

Nah. I mean does it stagger when the ragers buff their stagger resistance during their frenzied combo

[turbid ibex]

they ignore stagger resistance

its right there

[ocean talon]

oh yeah, mb

zoom and enhance

[turbid ibex]

heavy attacks also ignore

[ocean talon]

Please could I get a link to this data?

[distant plaza]

it's in the pinned guide

[turbid ibex]

pinned guide

[ocean talon]

oh ta

[maiden wasp]

okay, thought i was smoking crack, but mixing special into the tax combos does still let you skip the little bounce anim at the end and start the next swing faster still.

[obtuse crypt]

dump stat for plasma gun?

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[maiden wasp]

is this even still accurate with the charge changes?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[obtuse crypt]

i have one with 80 everything and 60 charge

would that do for now

or is it not worth upgrading then

[turbid ibex]

i'd say its better to not waste your resources

youre going to have to replace it eventually anyways

also a thermal dump is better than charge dump

[obtuse crypt]

i just got one with 80 everything 64% thermal and 76% charge would that do?

[turbid ibex]

the reason you want 69% thermal is for eight hipfire shots before venting

[unreal totem]

they don't but does it work if we have 2 survivalist? since its a chance to get ammo back

[turbid ibex]

its not a chance

it gives you 1% ammo whenever it procs

[unreal totem]

yeah, so it can proc more times

[turbid ibex]

why would it proc more times?

[unreal totem]

because we have 2 vets with the aura

[turbid ibex]

thats not how it works

because again

auras dont stack

if two players have the same aura there is no additional benefit

its effectively wasted

[unreal totem]

I know they don't stack

[turbid ibex]

yes so there is no benefit to getting a second survivalist

[obtuse crypt]

ok i got one with 80 everything and 60 charge, one with 80 everything and 60 therman and one with 80 everything and 64 thermal and 76 charge which one should i use?

[turbid ibex]

second

[unreal totem]

I thought the aura was some % to get 1% of ammo

[turbid ibex]

?????

why did you think that

[obtuse crypt]

the one with 60 thermal?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[tough nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-confused-say-what-young-gif-20141667

[maiden wasp]

please read your abilitys

[obtuse crypt]

perks and blesings for plasma gun?

[obtuse crypt]

why unarmoed

[turbid ibex]

breakpoints

[unreal totem]

I though it didn't proc every time, like have 25% chance of getting 1% ammo from killing elites, so if I had 2 vets with the aura, it would roll the dice 2 times

with 25% chance each

[turbid ibex]

why did you think that

[distant plaza]

It has a 5 second cooldown

[turbid ibex]

nowhere in the aura does it mention a chance

[unreal totem]

I think it was like this before

it had a chance

[lusty sedge]

what is the best primary when still learning the melee mechanics?

i have only mastered the chainsaw and combat axe.

[turbid ibex]

anything thats not knife, duelling sword or tactical axe

[obtuse crypt]

chainsword is ok, not to comolicated , decent against everything on lower difficultys, good mobility

[lusty sedge]

not combat axe?

[turbid ibex]

tactical and combat are different

[lusty sedge]

i get destroyed against massive horde waves in malice right now.

[obtuse crypt]

try the powersword

[turbid ibex]

recommending power sword to someone still learning the game is a bit too much throwing them in the deep end of the pool

[obtuse crypt]

its a bit tricky the first couple matches with turn on special but one u got the hang of it u absolutly melt everything

[turbid ibex]

also they prob dont even have power cycler for the three hits

[lusty sedge]

what is the power cycler?

[turbid ibex]

blessing for power sword

[lusty sedge]

i have zero blessings for power sword

[hybrid plover]

shovel tbh

Very simple and easy to use

[obtuse crypt]

powersword is not hard to learn lol, takes like a couple matches to get used to it and he is playing on very low difficutly so its good if he start to learn there and once he gets to higher difficultys he already is a master in the arts of the powersword

[lusty sedge]

the emperor in his infinite generosity has gifted me a half decent shovel.

malice is very low difficulty?

[obtuse crypt]

well to unlock that he gotta lvl up the powersword , so he might aswell do that on lower difficutly

[turbid ibex]

yes lol

[tall torrent]

pretty much everything below damnation is tutorial

[lusty sedge]

wow i thought we are casuals because pve lmao

[hybrid plover]

this game has one of the most astronomical skill ceilings in a pve game ever

[obtuse crypt]

what ranged weo do u use mostly?

[lusty sedge]

so if division is 0 because it's all gear and skills are irrelavent this is 11.

bolt pistol. love it.

[obtuse crypt]

good choice

love it too

love to see those heretics explode

[lusty sedge]

when things get bad i focus on not dying right now because team can usually handle most of it but i want to git gud in melee to do more.

[hybrid plover]

And here is where you learn a valuable lesson.

[lusty sedge]

that bolt pistole helps them a lot too.

[hybrid plover]

Don't rely on your teammates.

Do take help from them.

But a part of getting better at this game is learning self sufficiency.

[maiden wasp]

how dare you spew such anti team synergy rhetoric. Coherency is everything and if you aren't glued nuts to butts with your teammates you're toxic.

[hollow ibex]

this is team game where you have to play as if you don't have a team

[lusty sedge]

i played two of the missions solo i didn't really enjoy it

this game is co-op to the core

[hybrid plover]

[hybrid plover]

It's not that it isn't co-op.

It's more the thought of depending on your teammates to bail you out of bad situations.

When you should be shifting your mentality to preventing those situations from happening by your own merit to begin with.

And that inevitably would also make you a better teammate by proxy.

[lusty sedge]

bad situations as in multiple waves of enemies? how can i prevent that?

[hybrid plover]

Dodge, push, shove.

Two of those are the same thing but yeah

[distant plaza]

By killing them all guardsman

[unreal totem]

have an ogryn around

[lusty sedge]

yeah moving behind an orgin shooting the bolt pistol is a fun but passing moment in this game

[maiden wasp]

unironically by playing in better positions that force enemy density.

[lusty sedge]

explain

[hybrid plover]

Chokepoints.

[lusty sedge]

we want the enemies close together not scattered?

[hybrid plover]

They can surround you far more when you're in open ground.

Because of how enemy targetting works.

[lusty sedge]

that's good.

[hybrid plover]

Basically, enemies take up slots around you to attack.

The less you're exposed, the less slots they have available to box you in.

[maiden wasp]

there are some annoying things that can happen because of the interactions with density and the slot system: such as staggered crusher or mauler overheads and bulwark hyperdensity, but overall, having most of your enemies coming from one direction means you can kite them more effectively which means you end up in a more stable position.

this is another reason that people make fun of coherency bots because the effect one player can have playing in a better position is often woth more than the entire team playing in a bad position.

[lusty sedge]

so why not the combat axe?

[maiden wasp]

?

[lusty sedge]

earlier i asked which weapon is easiest when mastering melee mechanics.

i got the chainsaw and the shovel.

as recommendations.

[maiden wasp]

this seems like two contradictory questions in a trenchcoat.

[lusty sedge]

OK that's fair, not mastering the melee mechanics. when getting competent with melee mechanics.

[maiden wasp]

Question A: "which weapon is best for improving at melee?" question B: "which melee is easiest to use"

if you want to improve at melee fundamentals, combat axe isn't terrible, just avoid the super high mobility or overbearing damage options so that you have to actually engage with the enemies.

[lusty sedge]

what about tac axe?

[maiden wasp]

You could also choose something with a bit more complexity to their optimal combos so you have a bit extra on the mental stack

[tall torrent]

honest answer is power sword but it's not easy

[maiden wasp]

tac axe is high mobility

[hybrid plover]

high mobility

it's good

but it's not good for actually learning the game

[tall torrent]

power sword gives u enough dmg to dps check most things the game can throw at u, given u have rock solid melee fundamentals

[maiden wasp]

my only thing with learning on power sword would be the absurd cleave and damage could form some bad habits.

[lusty sedge]

i feel like i do best with the chainsaw thing.

[tall torrent]

i personally don't think "I can kill my way out of this" is a bad habit to have

[tall torrent]

btw u shud try far far west, gud game

[hybrid plover]

I've been gathering.

[maiden wasp]

this is how you get people who don't know how to deal with packs of ragers or maulers

[hybrid plover]

I'm on a bit of a Marathon craze atm

[tall torrent]

but power sword can deal with both

given u have rock solid melee fundamentals anyway

[lusty sedge]

does it have enough players?

[hybrid plover]

tbf

Power sword kinda forces you to learn how to deal with those.

[tall torrent]

it's like top4 best seller on steam rn I wouldn't worry lol

[hybrid plover]

Because your mobility is so limited that you have to commit to a fight.

[finite skiff]

I gave up on power sword. The 'turns off after few swings' was annoying af to me. Power falchion, shovel, and chainsword are what I use.

[hybrid plover]

If only falchion wasn't mid

[tall torrent]

it's like
Borderlands' buildcrafting + DOOM reboot's movement & gunplay + Helldiver 2's gameplay loop

[finite skiff]

Not saying it's bad but some people like myself REALLY hate the having to activate it constantly mechanic.

[fair shale]

That sounds like hell I'm ngl man

DOOM 2016 or Eternal?

[lusty sedge]

i am a borderlands and doom enjoyer so sounds good.

[tall torrent]

if u build move speed jokers, eternal

if not, more like 2016

[fair shale]

Gotcha

I think I got it out of a sale or humble bundle

[maiden wasp]

the point is to learn what to do if you can't just lop off 5 ragers heads in 2 swings.

[lusty sedge]

space marine 2 doesn't have this mechanics depth though

are there loads of sweats in marathon?

[hybrid plover]

yes

[lusty sedge]

not playing it lmao

[hybrid plover]

I mean

You won't run into them much at the beginning because I'm pretty sure it's level based matchmaking

[tall torrent]

that's a problem he can figure out afterwards

[tall torrent]

SM2's mechanics compared to DT in terms of depth is like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb lol

[fair shale]

DT mechanics are also a lil insane when you get into the nitty gritty of em

[sly orchid]

Insane in which way

[tall torrent]

spells are also mega op in FFW it's like everyone is psyker

but in a better way

because when everybody is psyker nobody really is

[fair shale]

Insane in the way that has a lot of little minutia attached and is very hard to understand

[sly orchid]

Minutia?

Never heard of that word

[fair shale]

I know

[fair shale]

small, precise, or trivial details, often focusing on insignificant or minor points

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/what-battle-beast--k01KQAA3K0ES0AGGQG3ZMGQ0BVG

[tall torrent]

there is a way to play very similar to doom reboot tho I think

but spells are a huge part of the game

[fair shale]

Tbh I only wanted specification cause I don't like 2016 anywhere near as much as Eternal gameplay loop

[tall torrent]

the joker system is perhaps the best way I've seen a roguelike be executed in

rly like it

[lusty sedge]

i'm going to go play a game, so shovel it is?

[tall torrent]

shovel is pretty mid, ok for beginner ig

[maiden wasp]

the funniest part about this is that half of the mechanical complexity of this game is unintentional.

[tall torrent]

just know that u cannot stagger rager groups with its atks (it can only stagger 1 at a time with the special action)

[tall torrent]

idk most of them seem pretty intentional to me

[lusty sedge]

I'm gonna test it.

[tall torrent]

now either intentionally deep or intentionally stupid, that's a different discussion

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide

I have weapons' performances listed

[obtuse crypt]

ok i tried it out now, whats the big deal with the plasma gun? like its ok i guess, but boltgun seems to be much better, but everyone is praising the plasma as a god tier wep but why?

[turbid ibex]

boltgun takes 5 business days to swap

even with one motion that swap speed is atrociously long

[obtuse crypt]

but oncve u got it u just delete everything

[turbid ibex]

plasma also has a lot more shots before needing to reload

and the reload is much faster compared to bolter

[obtuse crypt]

i have seen people pount blanking demon hosts with it and it died

much faster reload? plasma takes also very long to reload lol

[turbid ibex]

reload cancel

[tidal fox]

The humble always prepared exists

If you dont wanna ever reload

[turbid ibex]

plasma doesnt need always prepared

[tidal fox]

It does not

[obtuse crypt]

and what targets should i use the palsma on?

[turbid ibex]

ranged elites and specialists

same as almost every gun in the game

[obtuse crypt]

and when do i use the charfed shots?

[turbid ibex]

never

[obtuse crypt]

and why the hell shall i have charge rate higher than thermal resitence then?

[turbid ibex]

charge rate also affects the delay before hipfire shots

its effectively the rate of fire stat

[obtuse crypt]

so i just spam hipfire then?

[turbid ibex]

ye

charged shots are pointless pretty much

[tidal fox]

If you ever see a row of specialists running at you

You charge shot

More ammo efficient i think

[turbid ibex]

nope

[tidal fox]

Or more satisfying

[turbid ibex]

charged shots are less ammo efficient

[tidal fox]

They buffed the ammo efficiency

[turbid ibex]

its still worse than hipfire

[tidal fox]

I doubt by that much if so

[turbid ibex]

even fully charged its like 3x the ammo cost for only around double the damage

and its slow as fuck

[somber axle]

Scab Ragers have 10 hit mass so like there's a weird argument that hip fire shots into a flak rager mixed horde is only ever going to get 2 of them

Plasma has 18 cleave on hip fire without WiFi, 27 with WiFi

but you have 105 cleave on charged shot

but yeah the charged shot is really slow so

for the current event I could maybe see someone charging plasma

you'll definitely run into moments with enough flak ragers to justify the cleave

and like idk if anyone is taking WiFi with Plasma

even then that's a whole talent point to hit 1 more Flak Rager with hip fire

probably better to spend the talent point elsewhere

they've also got Cara chests though so they're going to cancel your cleave unless you hit Plasma into their heads

[unreal nova]

Is only worth if you kill at least 10 elites every shot.

[tidal fox]

Thats the only time I've ever used it

[slow spade]

Marksmen Focus Plasma UwU

[tidal fox]

Besides that its too damn slow

[drowsy perch]

does finesse dumpstat on power sword work

[turbid ibex]

no

[drowsy perch]

vet doesnt have like melee crit build

[turbid ibex]

wdym

finesse is weakspot damage and attack speed too

[narrow frost]

and vet gets more crit then a zealot crit build

lol

base crit + 1 talent

lol

[drowsy perch]

oh yeah

i forgot fatshark has weird ass

[turbid ibex]

dump cleave targets for power sword

[drowsy perch]

terms

[sly orchid]

Like 10% base crit right

[narrow frost]

yeah

and 25 (?) from talent

not to meantion weapon crit

[drowsy perch]

wtf blessings do you even use on plasma gun

crit does sound like it could be funny

but which crit one. charge amount or heat level

or both? but both seems kinda pointless

plasma gun isnt a las weapon right

[drowsy perch]

dis

[turbid ibex]

no

you shouldnt be pathing anywhere near shock trooper anyways with plasma

[tall torrent]

is this fr

[turbid ibex]

only thing you want from the bottom left of the tree is the +30% weakspot damage

[tidal fox]

Marksman focus plasma built coming soon

[drowsy perch]

i felt like itd be good

atleast cause basically infinite toughness

[quiet lark]

smile

[turbid ibex]

frown

[tame lodge]

Poker face

[tidal fox]

Lick

[quiet lark]

😨

[drowsy perch]

whats the difference between the power sword mks

[pseudo fiber]

Mk6 horizontal lights mk3 diagonal lights with horizontal heavies

use the mk6

[turbid ibex]

mk6 also has block cancelling for the special and stab push attack

its better in pretty much every single way

[upper falcon]

How do I do this

On a Xbox controller specifically

[drowsy perch]

does plasma gun explosion act like psyker boom

so i can suicide a horde

[tawny badger]

I believe so but unlike psyker boom

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

no penance no crystalline will equivalent no nothin

[quiet lark]

also you should just lmb so it shouldn't even happen

[heavy rover]

Looks like rituals are back and rotten armour is rotated out

[quiet lark]

excise vault is in

[lusty shuttle]

Anyone understand how the sustain fire etc blessings that talk about salvos work?

[drowsy perch]

its per bullet

salvo is just continuous fire but limited to what it says

eg it stops working after 4th shot

so you have to stop shooting and then start shooting again

it works well if you actually manage it

also i didnt realize confirmed kill stacks

it goes crazy

[narrow frost]

No that's not how it works

I can link how it's broken down when I get back to my pc

Will be a bit

[drowsy perch]

thats how its worked when i use it

[narrow frost]

Iirc it's when the recoil fully resets

But I'm not 100%

[lusty shuttle]

think thats what he meant from start and stop shooting

but the key detail is recoil has to reset fully for it to start proccing again

so Id have to use controlled burst fire to use it, got it, been thinking about trying more blessings and seeing how they feel lately since Im tired of running meta shit

@narrow frost @drowsy perch thanks for the info guys

[drowsy perch]

idk the timing between salvos i just look at the little icon at the bottom of the screen

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's recoil resetting

[lusty shuttle]

the vet perk right?

[narrow frost]

use Kuli's steam guide to the most indepth information on the game with no bias

[drowsy perch]

ya

[narrow frost]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293278399&searchtext=ranged

[drowsy perch]

u get 1 confirmed kill per elite/special kill with no cd or anything

so if you kill a horde of elites/specials you have liek 10 billion toughness

along with the 20% overtime

[arctic ridge]

When your no-ammo auric maelstrom game is going well --

Until one DC's, then one genius goes off on their own to collect a supply cylinder to get suffocated by piling horde & mutants. & the game at finale just collapses.

Ugh. Such wasted time.

[frigid shuttle]

Reformulate the premise.

[junior haven]

Invert the prelude.

[lusty shuttle]

why you venting in the veteran class discussion board though?

[frigid shuttle]

If you approach every match with the expectation that your teammates will suck, it will feel less of a waste of time.

[junior haven]

why does it matter

[lusty shuttle]

I feel you, but time and place man

[junior haven]

no better time no better place

[lusty shuttle]

I come in here looking for answers man

[frigid shuttle]

Then post a question.

Or use search.

[junior haven]

i dont want to hear your questions

how about that?

[lusty shuttle]

?

[junior haven]

nobody likes chat police dawg

[late sky]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Kiss! Kiss! Kiss!

[arctic ridge]

Eh, they'd suck if we didn't reach the 3/4 point.

Would be nice if I can use ExeStance more -- but random pubs, not exactly short order.

[hybrid plover]

What's the issue with that though

[drowsy perch]

i love my funny m1 spam sun beam

and you might be thinking, ammo dump? well actually, it works quite well with survivalist

i havent ran out of ammo once and i spam it all the time

i do have both ammo perks at the bottom left aswell

[arctic ridge]

The fun of sustaining it.

[drowsy perch]

so i actually have like 120

[quiet lark]

guessing you don't play havoc

plasma can def run out if you're spamming it even without ammo dump

[drowsy perch]

survivalist and the plentiful elites/specials

and i use it for mostly elites/specials

i spam it into crowds of them

melee everything else

accurate

[blazing jetty]

Skin

[fast shale]

Hi, I would like some clarification on how the middle keytone of vet woks when there 2 or more vets in squad with it, to they overrideeachother or do they stack with eachother?

[narrow frost]

"The current amount of stacks on an enemy can only be overwritten if the amount of new stacks to be applied is higher than the current one. Successfully overwriting stacks refreshes the 25s duration. Multiple Veterans can overwrite each other's tags unless there are already 6 stacks on the enemy."

from Kuli's Vet Steam Guide

[fast shale]

Oh so it can lead to weird interactions or vets fighting each other for stacks

Also thankss

[drowsy perch]

also i do play havoc whenever theres a lobby

was running damnation/auric to learn PS and PG

[willow prairie]

havoc 20s is like nothing

[drowsy perch]

i can do 30-40 as long as no BS happens

[drowsy perch]

does clip size also increase total ammo count

or just clip size

[hollow ibex]

just clip size

total ammo stays the same

[drowsy perch]

so

how do you deal with mauler/rager hordes with powersword and plasma gun

cause like, if you got team support you can but if theyre targetting you you kinda get fucked

and powersword PMO hardcore since it turns off anytime you get stunned/hit

so incredibly fucking infuriating

[willow prairie]

💀 simply hit the rager before they can fuck you over

that literally it

[drowsy perch]

not when theres 20 of them

at once

[willow prairie]

otherwise it just movement and defense

[willow prairie]

why do you think psword is the strongest melee in the game rn

[drowsy perch]

cant outdodge all cause both PS and PG have shit dodge

[drowsy perch]

i got brittle and cycler

[willow prairie]

oh yeah that dogshit that why

[drowsy perch]

except that does jackshit when it gets turned off from 1 stun

[drowsy perch]

so then u do nothing and have to get super fucking slow to turn it back on

[willow prairie]

run sunder or bm instead of fucking brittle

[drowsy perch]

which then lets them smack the shit out of you more

so u just cant turn it back on if u get hit once

[rotund heart]

Angle plasma and charged up a shot, hit as many in a line as you can

[drowsy perch]

does charged have more pen?

[rotund heart]

Get Sunder as a blessing for Power Sword and use the Mark with the push attack stab into overhead light

Pen, damage, stagger

And for maneuvering learn light attack into sprint slide momentum

You can dump stat cleave targets on Power Sword and have max mobility

[drowsy perch]

if i turn around i get my ass smacked to death

[rotund heart]

Not if you know how to maneuver

Darktide is a mobility game

[drowsy perch]

idk i turn around and sprint slide and still get hit

[rotund heart]

There’s tech

[drowsy perch]

which then slows me

and then i die

[rotund heart]

Turn around

Sprint, Swing your power sword to get a momentum burst

Slide

Or dodge

Activate power sword while you’re sliding or dodging