veteran-class

[worthy dragon]

I see i see

[unreal nova]

Dumping thermal means only 7 shots in a row.

Having more than 69 thermal is a waste since does nothing.

[worthy dragon]

Why not 80% thermal then?

[unreal nova]

See above.

80% thermal is 8 shots.

[worthy dragon]

Bruh. FatShark and their weird hidden mechanics

[unreal nova]

A classic, used to be even worse.

[worthy dragon]

Alright i understand now. Guess i gotta gamble again to get the perfect Plasma Gun...

[unreal nova]

Wait till you get to ripper.

66 ammo.

[worthy dragon]

Huh? You mean the Ogryn weapon?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[worthy dragon]

Ok why 66 ammo?

[unreal nova]

Or psyker warp resist dumps.

[unreal nova]

To ensure 1 shot, 1 stack of blaze away.

Higher than 66 means 2 shots for 1 stack of blaze away.

[worthy dragon]

Good thing i haven't min/maxed for my Ogryn weapons

[unreal nova]

The other lower is Collateral.

You can just dump ammo for sanity as last resort for it.

[worthy dragon]

For Psyker i just max out warp resist for staves and for the melee i set it to a minimum

[unreal nova]

So you get the psyker ones, yeah. You gamble for sub 20% warp resist on melees and maybe even purga.

[fast shale]

Seeing ollddd clips from early 2025 I used to run dueling sword with bolter and right keystone

[gentle lake]

dueling sword

more like

poop sword

[fast shale]

Oh yeah it had that double pop thingi

Heavy into special move

It was cool

[shut marsh]

any suggestions on what primary would work for a krieg build other than helbore? I suck ass with that gun on console...

[round mango]

Aren’t primary weapons melee? Am I crazy?

[toxic reef]

they are

[round mango]

Heavy las pistol though

I just look at mini sets of astra militarum if I want inspo

[copper vector]

yeah you can check the tabletop units' loadouts
i think death korps of krieg can work with anything from bolt pistols to plasma guns to laspistols
and ofc infantry las

krieg combat engineers get combat shotguns, bolt pistols, and autopistols

[fast needle]

How tf can this h40 vet be so fucking bad with 3 wound curios and going down all the time in Auric

[unreal nova]

They got HARD HARD carried and are stupid enough to use a title they got hard carried for.

Because seeing the H40 bit is mods only so I refuse to count that part.

[wintry iron]

My vet is my least played operator. But I am trying to improve/familiarize with him. But his damage and damage resistance are terrible. He is max level as well as the weapons i’m using. Which are Infantry Autogun and Chainsword. Any advice?

[tepid otter]

Have you tried Plasma and the PowerSword

[wintry iron]

I have not. I am going to try new weapons soon though. Is the Helbore any good?

[tepid otter]

If you got the build for it

[wintry iron]

Oh okay. Is there a good weapon that works as a DMR/Sniper on Vet?

[tepid otter]

Id say Helbore but das just me

[wintry iron]

Okay XD. I’ll give that one a try.

[fallow beacon]

lovely helbore crusher one tap

[wintry iron]

That sounds nice XD

[dry cloak]

lietrally the dmr

vigilant autogun

choose your flavour then we can talk

[fallow beacon]

agripinaa

[dry cloak]

flak/cara and maniac. headhunter deadlyc accurate

[tawny badger]

mostly the vigilant autoguns
honestly the mark IX infantry lasgun kinda feels like one to me as well

[wintry iron]

I just did a match with Helbore and it was so much better than Infantry Auto. Now i’ll try Vigilant. @dry cloak Też, siemanko mordo.🇵🇱

[unreal nova]

Mostly cos Ilas is on bottom tier list. Hellbore is good if you can deal with the clunk.

[wintry iron]

That makes sense. I always avoid Laser anything but I like the Helbore from what I just played of it. Trying Vigilant now.

[manic moon]

u gotta remember weapons will change when u get better

[kindred shore]

i never use anything but the recon lasgun mark 2 on veteran

[manic moon]

some weps doesnt grab newbies cuz of skissue

also get mods which turns semi autos into full auto guns so u dont have to rip ur fingers

[unreal nova]

Vigils is more to mid. But far better than Ilas imo. Wait, inf auto? That requires use of only Vraks and mid range combat.

Has highest DPS, but extremely ammo hungry.

Sorry, kinda cooking on the side.

[manic moon]

all 3 inf autogun are solid

[kindred shore]

but you can get infinite ammo on lasguns

lasers are superior

[wintry iron]

Now that I have tried both Helbore and Vigilant I can not make up my mind XD. I like them both. Ups and downs to each. I prefer non-laser but Helbore is pretty good.

[kindred shore]

if bullets could inflict bleed on enemies then yeah maybe it would be worth taking

[late sky]

I like using Laspistol and Zarona

[unreal nova]

Oh, some added info, the best vigil is the burst firing one.

[wintry iron]

Thank you. Why is that?

So far i’m really enjoying the single shot. I’m using Graia MK VII.

[unreal nova]

The best dps from memory. It doesn't matter as much in auric and below though.

As in, best DPS of the vigils.

[wintry iron]

Oh alright. Fair enough. I added Deadly Accurate and Headhunter to the Graia MK VII. For critical weakspot damage and increasing critical chance on weak spot hit. So should be pretty good with hitting headshots.

[somber axle]

Helbore for Sniping, Vigilant Autogun for DMR

[unreal nova]

I think ppl use surgical instead of headhunter, but whatever feels better for you.

[somber axle]

Helbore is going to take time and practice to get used to it because of the awkward sights, slow reload, slow swap speed to draw the weapon, charge to fire mechanic and the low mobility the weapon has

Definitely recommend playing the Vigilant Autoguns first

They're also very fun and very underused

And very strong

[wintry iron]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[wintry iron]

Hard choice XD. I was thinking about that also. Both seem effective.

[somber axle]

The only awkward thing about the Vigilant Autoguns is the dumb wire stock but imo if you can overlook the aesthetics they're a fantastic weapon to play with

There are mods to stop the zoom on the aim down sights for the Vigilant Autoguns if you don't like that

It has a very aggressive zoom that can be very tunnel vision mode if you're running Exe Stance

[unreal nova]

Why it's a feel thing and I won't argue on it.

[fading canopy]

Like what

[wintry iron]

I like most things about both XD. I like the Helbore look more but I am usually anti-lasers. I don’t mind the sights on either. But i’m using Vigilant and it seems pretty good.

[wintry iron]

Fair enough XD. I’ll try both and see which. I personally just hit weakspots more commonly than I stay ADS for long. But i’ll try both to see if I need to adjust.

[unreal nova]

I think ppl use surgical because it's just 1 secs or so between shots for crits that cost 1 shot while the other might have you spend up to 6 per crit.

Up to 5 for 100%+1 crit.

[surreal rune]

how good is withering fire with hotshot on hellbore

[wintry iron]

I can see the reason in that.

I might also redo my Talent Tree.

[unreal nova]

I think you want surgical and one of those two due to how hellbore works.

[surreal rune]

its a talent

ranged cleave from withering fire talent with cleave from
hotshot

[unreal nova]

Oh, right, the new one.

My head was thinking weight of fire.

[surreal rune]

ah

weight of fire is my usual pick

[unreal nova]

Well, 50% of 3 cleave is 4.5, so I assume effectively 9 cleave.

[surreal rune]

thats like what

two shotgunners?

[unreal nova]

So I guess you get to maybe shoot through 2 mobian 21st at H40.

If I didn't remember their hitmass wrong.

Or wait, maybe more since halved.

Hit 6 of them assuming headshot, I think.

Wait kark.

4.5 into 1.7~ mass is like 2 still.

Yeah. Brain no worky.

Best way to put it is, you might pierce 1 extra target.

Probably more outside havoc. Think chaffs are 1.5 then.

[surreal rune]

withering competing for field improv and serrated blade in the same row

huh maybe both of these need a buff

[unreal nova]

I think it's mostly plasma tax.

Most guns lack enough cleave to be worth it.

And I can't maff at all rn.

From bad to blep.

[surreal rune]

maff-ee-matt-eecs

i can imagine the ogryn saying it

sigh hotshot should be buffed

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure the value is more piercing through less bulky mass stuff.

Mobian 21st are hilariously thick.

Turns many melees into single target weapons.

They are like 3.4 mass each or something.

At h40.

[somber axle]

Dreg Shotgunners, Dreg Ragers and Plasma Gunners all have 4 hit mass so having the equivalent to 9 hit mass means punching an extra target on those with WiFi/Hotshot

Scab Shotgunners have 5 hit mass so that's still only 2 targets

Plasma Gunners have Cara heads tho so no cleaving them

But if you get a line of Dreg Shotgunners trying to funnel through a door you could take 3 heads in one shot

[unreal nova]

Is 4.5 vs 2 hitmass then.

Withering is 50% more cleave, right?

[somber axle]

Yeah so base 3 cleave bumped to 4.5 and Hotshot making it effectively 9 cleave

It can be fun but it isn't giving as much cleave as a DBS with Manstopper

[unreal nova]

Thus 3 targets hit.

[somber axle]

It's just nice for occasionally taking the extra head

[unreal nova]

Without withering, might end on second target.

[somber axle]

Without WiFi it ends on second target for sure. 3 cleave and Hotshot is taking effectively 6 cleave against a hit mass of 4. So it always stops on second target for Dreg Gunners/Shotgunners and Scab Gunners

Those are all 4 hit mass iirc?

And Dreg Ragers too

[unreal nova]

Feel like not worth the point.

[somber axle]

Probably not. Depends on what your loadout is and if you have another Vet with Field Improv or not

[unreal nova]

Might be funny when you blam a trapper through stuff.

[somber axle]

If you have a second Vet with Field Improv covering that then your only competing options are Serrated and WiFi and both are so niche it feels weird

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[somber axle]

They probably need another balance pass

[unreal nova]

Though in pubs, I never expect Field Improv.

[somber axle]

But WiFi is new so they are probably waiting to see how the talent shakes out

Also yeah WiFi/Hotshot is nice for occasionally sniping a special hiding behind a mixed horde

I mainly use the Mk V Helbore so the charge rate time feels fine without Weight of Fire

Not sure what other blessings I'd run over WoF and Hotshot tbh

Surgical is a must

I'm not sold on Armourbane

[unreal nova]

Maybe sustained fire?

[somber axle]

Maybe

Doesn't it have No Respite in the blessing list?

That could be funny if it wasn't bugged

An Arby in the squad staggering would set it up right?

[unreal nova]

Think so. Or just having that bonk head counts as staggered.

[somber axle]

I saw someone recommend Falter for a few interesting stagger breakpoints on the IIIa

But if they fix No Respite that might be my blessing of choice if an Arby is in the squad

Just have like 3 or 4 Helbores in the inventory to swap to before matches depending on squad comp

[hearty panther]

this implies the existence of a domstained fire

[unreal nova]

Are you going to point out every typo I make?

[hearty panther]

only the funny ones

........ so yes

[surreal rune]

no respite is bugged?

[somber axle]

Yeah

[tepid otter]

combat shotty? yeah

[somber axle]

It doesn't apply properly atm

Basically a dead blessing until they fix it

Recent patch broke it and it isn't checking stagger level to apply the damage bonus so it always applies 0% damage bonus no matter what stagger stage the target is

[unreal nova]

I still question how they do it.

[surreal rune]

fucking

huh

[unreal nova]

It's like asking AI to fix stuff.

[somber axle]

I have no idea how they broke it LOL

[turbid ibex]

Spaghetti code

[somber axle]

I half wonder if they did use AI to do this patch and that's why it slipped in "haha I changed no respite :)"

[turbid ibex]

This game is held together by duct tape and prayers

[hearty panther]

it says no in the blessing so i turned off the respite

[surreal rune]

game held together by essential oils, incense, and purity seals

[unreal nova]

Oh, I know. But I have seen spaghetti code that doesn't break in the way FS code does.

[turbid ibex]

Oh this isnt your regular spaghetti code

This is advanced spaghetti code

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-advanced-darkness-darkness-gif-23690793

[surreal rune]

the game engine was abandoned right

[unreal nova]

But was made by Fatshark.

[silver patrol]

pappardelle code

[turbid ibex]

Hmmm

Yum

[pseudo fiber]

If it makes you feel better all of them are like this it's just if you notice it or not lol

[unreal nova]

True. But usually is said when it's so much of a mess, you can't even bs your way out of it.

[hearty panther]

monster hunter had an update a couple months ago where it would check if you owned a DLC ... every .... single ...... frame

and it massively tanked performance

very funny

[tepid otter]

makes you wonder what else could be wrong if you do a whole software inspection

[hearty panther]

actually i think it was packet not frame but anyway

it was just endlessly checking to see if you owned a DLC at all times and you couldn't stop it once it started

[unreal nova]

Better to not have any so it doesn't run?

[pseudo fiber]

only ny the dlc cat

but yea

[unreal nova]

I mean, once you fanpatch out things, the games usually run better.

Still funny with worlds. Ppl just installed the modloader just to get better performance.

[hearty panther]

wilds ran/runs so poorly

dunno if they solved that at all

[unreal nova]

Dunno. Just waiting for Code Vein 2 performance fixes now.

Dunno why, but like every game seems to have performance issues nowadays.

Do they not test on avg systems?

[pseudo fiber]

a lot better now

still not perfect

also this is a good sign

[hearty panther]

wasnt really an average system issue in this case, it was fundamentally busted

[somber axle]

Nice design

[hearty panther]

i had never seen the dudes at DigitalFoundry ever make a video before where their conclusion on optimizing graphics was "We dunno guys, this game is fucked"

Something about texture streaming

[somber axle]

[unreal nova]

True, but meant in general.

[hearty panther]

I was running the game on a 1080Ti at the time and I basically had textures set to PS2 quality and my resolution at 640x480 and I was still getting the same performance as setting everything to ultra at 1440p

it made no fucken sense

like yea 1080Ti was deffo below the curve but the results I was getting was boggling

id never seen something so bad before

[pseudo fiber]

They said it was the worst port of the year but I had to object personally

It couldn't be the worst port since it ran identically poor on all systems

[hearty panther]

lmao

true enough

[pseudo fiber]

Which means if anything its a perfect port lol

[unreal nova]

To be fair, isn't Darktide settings the same from low to high ignoring shadows/lighting?

[hearty panther]

not nearly on the same level no

i could run DT on my 1080 perfectly fine with all the graphics off at 4K 60hz and 1440p 144hz

there was no setting that made MHW work

[unreal nova]

Maybe it only ran well on their PCs.

[hearty panther]

all of them were equally fucking miserable for performance

[unreal nova]

A.l.a. Saints Row 2 where you need to be on a 1:1 Xbox tier system or mess.

[sly orchid]

Ok so this is a bit false

[hearty panther]

i really wanted to get into it too, my buddy is a huge fan of the series and it was gonna be the first time both of us would get in on the ground floor for one

but even he was like "if i was not already a hopeless nerd i would not buy this"

[sly orchid]

You would only get the performance hit near the palico for the claimc dlc

So it was excagerated that it affected the whole game

[hearty panther]

gotcha

[unreal nova]

Wait, does it follow you around or stay in base?

[sly orchid]

Stay in base

Its a palico for bounties pop up camps news etc etc

[hearty panther]

and they were quick to fix it ofc

[unreal nova]

Cos if it's former, it absolutely will ruin the entire game.

[sly orchid]

Only in the gathering hub

[hearty panther]

but lul just a funny lil oopsie

[unreal nova]

Ah, then only 1 fps in town.

[sly orchid]

Someone also coded a fix for it and boom it was fixed the next patch

[unreal nova]

Bet they just took it?

[sly orchid]

Probably

[hearty panther]

not a hard fix really

all it needs is an extra check

[unreal totem]

for field improvisation to work, does it have to be me that drops the medpack or anyone can drop and we will have the effect?

[sly orchid]

works for anyone on the team

[unreal totem]

no, I mean does it have to be me to drop the medpack or anyone drop and have the same effect?

[hearty panther]

anyone

[unreal totem]

even when I am not in in coherency?

[desert viper]

yeah

[tough nova]

Yea it buffs any dropped crate item

[unreal totem]

jesus, last time I try to rescue the dude who rushes forward

[desert viper]

the effect is permanent in the match regardless of where and what you're doing long as you have the perk

[unreal totem]

dude went alone forward, got netted and downed. I tried to ress him and got downed because of it

[willow prairie]

anyone know what darktide input buffer window

[turbid ibex]

you literally only have to exist for field improv's buffs to apply

the only moment it wont be active is right after you die when youre waiting on the timer to respawn

[unreal totem]

I know combat axe is good, but is it assault chainaxe better?

[turbid ibex]

no

[unreal totem]

I don't know, it feel good

[turbid ibex]

yeah but its not rashad

[unreal totem]

the only bad part is getting stuck in everything with no cleave

[hearty panther]

doesnt work if the guy who has the perk is currently in the 30s 'dead' phase before they show up on the map again

[unreal totem]

infantry autogun or plasma gun?

[turbid ibex]

very different builds

[unreal totem]

oh, so I don't know which build I am using or which talents I need for plasma gun

gonna have to take a look

[strong umbra]

how to ez win havoc 40>>>>> kill all gunners and special plus big dmg to boss

[sharp epoch]

you get 250 fps on h40 dam 😭

i get like 80

[unreal nova]

80? Better than sub 30.

[strong umbra]

im play on 2k btw if im play normal 1080 i get like 450-500fps

[plain jungle]

Hey guys. Quick question. Is stamina regen proportional? Im trying to do a gun focused build but with chainsword and noticed Vet has very little stamina. Sprint a few meters, one push and your out. Was wondering if it's worth investing in some stamina curios

[turbid ibex]

vet stamina regen is one bar per second

so with more max stamina it will take longer to regen it fully

[feral cave]

Probably asking a stupid question but I'm wondering: tac axe w/ Agile for high Havoc, viable or no?

Yes, I know, power sword with Sunder and... Power Cycler? gdi I'm stuck in the loading screen or else I'd know by now.

No nvm I was right because I'm smort.
But yeah I know that setup is the melee meta.
Tac axe Mk VII with Agile (and Headtaker) for high Havoc. Good or shite?

[torpid grotto]

You’re gonna miss brutal momentum alot

[south spindle]

Non-BM TacAxe is a Scum thing

And Scum doesn't need to ever run Agile because Jittery is a thing

[torpid grotto]

It’s possible if you really want to

[south spindle]

Aye, you can do it, but it's not gonna be great compared to what it would be over there

[feral cave]

Why Brutal Momentum? On the combat axe I get it, but not that. It's all jabs, not sweeping hits.

Or is it just for the weakspot damage bonus?

[south spindle]

Because generally the further up the difficulty tree you go, the more hitmass any given enemy has, and BM can work around that

Bigger hitmass value = less cleave = slower clear

[feral cave]

But tac axe has no attacks that cleave outside of heavy attacks.

Way I use it is like the knife- dodging and chopping.

[hybrid plover]

You'll notice it even on lights

[south spindle]

🤷‍♂️ You do you man, I'm just telling you why the blessing is good.

[feral cave]

I mean I totally understand you- I have BM on a few other weapons, I know how hitmass works

It's just, hitmass is not really an issue for me in the way I use the taxe.

[south spindle]

Well try it without, but on Vet, as Goblin points out, you will notice not having it

[plain jungle]

I don't play with Vet a lot, but in my eyes, melee to vet is to clean masses that get close asap so you get back to gunning. Tac axe doesn't really have that potential in vet's hands

[south spindle]

Scum gets away with it because you can juice attack speed and raw damage enough so you don't feel that loss nearly as much

[feral cave]

I've been using it without. afgaik I've never used BM with a taxe.

[hybrid plover]

It will be

There is a world of difference between having it and not, regardless of what attacks you're doing.

[torpid grotto]

Basically it insanely boosts your horde clear, which is very helpful on higher difficulties

[feral cave]

This fact I won't contest.

[hybrid plover]

Even the lights will see a noticeable change.

[south spindle]

Fwiw, when this person speaks, it is wise to listen

[hybrid plover]

It's not just that it lets you cleave more

It's that it lets you distribute the damage between what you're cleaving a lot better as well

At least until it hits the cap.

You can decide not to. But tac axe is one of those cases where it's seriously hard not to recommend having it.

Except for Scum particularly.

[feral cave]

The reason I'm asking is, dodging gets you that little smidge of I-frames, so I figure if I do the knifezealot thing with it, it'll be viable.
Also I think I see the disconnect here: I've never actually used one with Brutal Momentum before.

[hybrid plover]

Dude it's blatantly one of the best blessings in the entire game.

Bar none.

I'd suggest you try it to understand why it's so good.

Arguably overtuned even.

[tawny badger]

hello chat how goes the convo today

[hybrid plover]

To further explain, it lets you freely cleave four targets, and also lets you do that same amount of damage to the other three targets you've cleaved in the swipe. It ignores hit mass and cleave distribution budgeting.

[feral cave]

Ok, I know what Brutal Momentum does.

I have it on other weapons, makes it super handy for the reasons you've said.

Tac axe doesn't have the CC swings for it so I never tried it out, and if you give me a sec to finish typing,

Issue is I've been playing vet a ton this week because I was trying to clear my weeklies- missions without dying- and I wanna move onto a different class. XD
But nah I'll try it out on my havoc build on an Auric mission, really stress test it, see how much of a difference it makes.

[hybrid plover]

It do. Mk7 does at least.

Push attack, heavy.

Push attack is really important for mk7 horde clear

[feral cave]

I'll keep that in mind for it. I generally do the knifezealot thing with it, not heavy swings.

I'll let you know how it goes.

[hybrid plover]

I kinda already know how it's gonna go

Because BM is just such a stupidly busted blessing on something that attacks so fast.

Also I do have to say. It's even more noticeable in Havoc tbh

[feral cave]

Was revisiting my Scum to add in Jittery to my mix. Came back to my Vet and found the exact auric mission I want to run the tac axe BM.

[tame lodge]

Diva mentioned

[plain jungle]

what guns do you guys think are best with executioner's stance?

[tough nova]

Helbore

[pseudo fiber]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/qRSnkSwln2

Master Vet

Veteran Master

[plain jungle]

Any particular mark that stands out from the rest?

[hybrid plover]

All of dem

[tough nova]

The one with the highest damage

[silver patrol]

ASSAULT CHAINSWORD
this thing is a really good weapon ,good boss damage ,diagonal move set means big hordes would be a struggle if this thing didn't swing so damn fast.

swing and a miss

POWER SWORD
alright weapon but probably better off using something different at higher difficulty ,good damage a special that borderline ignores armor its a little slow for my liking

[hybrid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/what-surprised-gif-25739412

[silver patrol]

oh wait, damnation player

[pseudo fiber]

*master veteran

[silver patrol]

bro who the hell is playing since 2023 and is still in damnation

[nova frost]

[sly orchid]

master of sedition lmao

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't even mind the post if they made it clear they're talking damnation from the beginning

But they wait until the very end

And then put Havoc there too. Except they're talking like

1-16 at most

Because they then say Havoc is easier than Auric lol

And then the bottom post implies they might just straight up be lying lmao

[feral cave]

https://tenor.com/bFQJR.gif

So yeah, Brutal Momentum on tac axe, holy shit.

Just like I originally thought, it's not going to replace the power sword for my Havoc build, but the addition of Brutal Momentum has made it incredible. It's definitely sticking around on my vet sharpshooterbuild, especially after that hectic af Archivum run.

[silver patrol]

they should give brutal momentum to shivs, me thinks

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe serves a particular niche of just being a low investment melee for horde clear

[feral cave]

NOW someone tells me that.
I'm pretty jazzed about these findings, though.
Vet's always felt like it's been lacking in the melee weapons department outside of 1.5 out of the 2 power swords.

Sure, chainsword, but that's my primary melee Scum weapon.

[silver patrol]

i would count chainsword in the mid category

[hybrid plover]

Lowkey

I started liking heavy sword a lot more on vet

But not for a traditional reason

[quiet lark]

name checks out :3

[tame lodge]

I haven't read it but I agree with everything they said

[plain jungle]

Im trying out Vet builds as we speak. I want to clear elites and ranged ones for my team while using executioner. And everything starts crumbling down once Im forced to use melee. Tried chain thingy and power swords, but Vet feels so slow with melee weapons. Cant get out of sticky situations. Gonna try knife bext

[tame lodge]

Really funny because ExecStance also gives you stun immunity so it's perfect for melee

Especially Power Sword

[feral cave]

Tac axe, Agile, BM, plus Flak and Maniac damage, as I've just found out.
Power sword- not the falchion- I recommend Power Cycler and Sunder, plus damage against Flak and Maniac.

[tame lodge]

Agile

🥀

[hybrid plover]

You don't really need maniac for Power Sword

Gone are the days of Vet not hitting mutant one shot breakpoints

[feral cave]

Also question: how do I get the fancier pink role that Higui has? Is it a time thing?

[hybrid plover]

Since you can just play the game and get a free 70% damage

[plain jungle]

Wait it does? Had these awkward situations vs flames, where I couldnt even dodge fle bomb. Maybe I need to worl on my timing with executioner

[tame lodge]

[stuck prairie]

u have to kill 11000000 pox walkers

[tame lodge]

Server booster

[feral cave]

Ahhh, of course.

So for power sword, Carapace instead of maniac?

[hybrid plover]

Yep

And flak could be unyielding instead. But flak is also perfectly understandable.

Does make mixed horde clear feel more consistent.

And vet has ranged options that can deal with those so

[feral cave]

Yup.

[hybrid plover]

Here's your tip.

You have wallhacks.

Stop the flamer from getting close enough to be an issue in the first place.

[plain jungle]

doesnt always work like that when half the room is yellow or it comes behind

[hybrid plover]

It does.

Because Executioner's Stance rewards target prioritization.

You see the sea of yellow. Notice the movements in the yellow enemies.

If one of then has that really fast sprint that specialists do, or the bomber jog, those are your first priority.

Or several.

Gunners are dangerous but static. Specialists are the things you always want dead first. And you have a tool to figure out where exactly they are and where they're coming from.

[plain jungle]

yeah but even if you see them, it's not like you can always hit them due to obsticles. Lets say you spot the bomber early on behind the walls. It's not like you will rush in to take them out or specifically wait while the hordes and rotten armor crushers are breathing down your neck. I get what you're saying, but in practice you end up in all kinds of situations

[hybrid plover]

...I do tend to rush to kill them tbh

But I also just know how to play Exe Stance aggressively. So take my words with a grain of salt.

[plain jungle]

Yeah I aint gonna do that. 80% of the time there be loads of other melee, elites, and so on in the way

[sly orchid]

melee exe or

[hybrid plover]

You already know

[plain jungle]

ofcourse, it all depends on situation. but I mainly go havocs and there is very little room to breathe in most cases

[hybrid plover]

I play h40s with exe stance. I think the same logic does still apply. But its also understandable you're not getting every specialist on the field in one sitting. But it is a good idea to prioritize the ones you can hit and keep a mental note of the ones you can't.

[plain jungle]

btw, why maniacs tho? Only ragers are agressive enough to get close fast

[hybrid plover]

It's all about how you're using the information you're given.

Which is a skill in itself because in h40, there's a lot of shit happening and you have to weigh that info with the myriads of shit being thrown at you.

Also.

Double barrel is really fun on exe stance.

Just to put that out there.

[quiet lark]

huh i'll have to give it a try

[plain jungle]

I need more practice in general I guess. I dont main vet. But like I said, usually things start to fall apart once im forced to go melee

[feral cave]

Dreg Ragers, plus both variety of flamers, mutants, and bombers.

[hybrid plover]

...most of my time with this game is on vet

[feral cave]

More of a combination of elite and specialist mercing, but as a Vet you'll more often than not be shooting them.

Enjoyer's advice following mine was better- go Carapace, not Maniac.

[hybrid plover]

Extra ranged damage and spread reduction is really funny.

[plain jungle]

maniacs. I think the only one from the list concerning melee engagement are ragers. I feel like having unarmed dmg would do better to clear the small ones faster, which happen way more often

[hybrid plover]

Lets you make shots you normally couldn't with it.

[quiet lark]

what melee are you using with it? and r u taking any exe nodes

[hybrid plover]

Ogryn subnode

Was running with power sword.

Gonna try shovel and knife and see how those fare

My shocker

Is actually liking power sword

[quiet lark]

it's rlly nice with ws and exec's

[hybrid plover]

Because one fucking poxwalker won't undo my sword charge.

[plain jungle]

Honestly playing scum has ruined me. The dodge distances an freaquency almost makes you untouchable. Im struggling getting back to other classes now

[hybrid plover]

Scum is a drug

[hollow ibex]

scum's busted after all

turns out, playing busted classes makes you a worse player

[hybrid plover]

Tbf

Vet is a little busted in their own right

[quiet lark]

do you think out for blood or the +25 is more valuable

i'm honestly not sure

[plain jungle]

Dunno. My personal opinion is that vet and psyker are the hardest classes in the game

[hybrid plover]

But vet also requires some actual fundamentals to pull off.

[hollow ibex]

psyker's busted, sorry

even more busted than scum

[sharp epoch]

vet seems to shine when your team is supporting you while hs can be more independent and still shine

[quiet lark]

i feel like psyker is easiest lol

[hollow ibex]

psyker plays differently, but once you figure it out, it's just broken

[plain jungle]

I think psyker is the squishiest

[quiet lark]

definitely disagree

[plain jungle]

maybe my builds were wrong then

[hybrid plover]

Psyker lowkey one of the tankiest classes lol

[quiet lark]

you have a ridiculous amount of tn regen and / or crowd control / other tools

[sharp epoch]

i think its the squishiest but also can mitigate risks since its not a melee class

[plain jungle]

tougness regen is cool. but Im staying it really hurts once you get smacked

[hybrid plover]

It can be. And it can be an incredibly powerful one too.

Scrier's Gaze go brr

[quiet lark]

and dr and tdr

[hybrid plover]

Because apparently it needed another buff.

[sharp epoch]

i think fs balances on pick rates thats why they nerf shout and bubble

even if its better but harder to use theyre gonna keep buffing it until pickrates are closer

same with exe stance

[plain jungle]

Didnt shout got buffed in a way? With the revive penalties removed?

[tame lodge]

Not really

[quiet lark]

revive shout got buffed a bit because the area is no longer smaller, the cd is the same

[sharp epoch]

yeah its the same cooldown as before they just nerfed base shout and removed the penalty

[hollow ibex]

they should've just nerfed gold shout

there should be three viable shouts

base shout, gold shout, revive shout

[sharp epoch]

theyve nerfed shout like 3-4 times already too now i feel like was the killing blow

[hollow ibex]

but fs is dumb of course

[plain jungle]

Welp, shout is still meta. At least from what I encounter

A bit of topic, what improvements did you guys pick in the survey a month or two ago?

[hearty panther]

yea they dont really care about the opinions of sweaty dickheads in H40, they want players to have approachable options

[tame lodge]

Low-key don't remember

[plain jungle]

I know for sure I wanted quality of life one. Weapon sacrifice is ridiculus process

[sharp epoch]

if thats the case wouldnt they buff the easy to use options instead of nerfing them?

[plain jungle]

And ability descriptions too. Feels like FS just write them down without second thought

[sharp epoch]

I think its a relic from the old crafting and random weapons drops + store, now its easy to get perfect weapons as long as you got materials

[plain jungle]

It's tedious tho. You buy the weapons, upgrade like 20+ of them one by one and then sacrifice

[sharp epoch]

thats what mods are for 😼

[hearty panther]

no, the opposite

they want the 'difficult' stuff to still look approachable

[plain jungle]

Are there mods to quicken this? I managed to avoid mods for 600 hours so far

[hearty panther]

short of deleting bubble or should you're not actually going to get people to stop using it as the 'safe' options, but you can buff the more risky choices to at least look appealing and worth trying

[torpid grotto]

There’s actually a mod that just released

On nexus

[plain jungle]

Interesting...

[sharp epoch]

i think its called quick level mastery and theres also filter sacrifice

[unreal totem]

does infantry autogun have enough damage in havoc?

[keen cradle]

Its the ammo that has issues

[tame lodge]

Iags are the highest dps in the game iirc

Just havoc got no ammo

[silver patrol]

Vraks has in theory the highest dps against no armor, pretty sure

[south spindle]

There are squishy classes in Darktide?!

When did that memo get sent out?

[unreal totem]

but plasma gun is one of the lowest ammo

but yeah, you can't spray as much in high havoc

[keen cradle]

Plasmagun cleaves

And basically ignores armor. Autogun on the other hand dont

[unreal totem]

voice of command, does it need both nodes or only the node that gives golden toughness?

is revive with shout needed or not?

[silver patrol]

Only golden toughness

[keen cradle]

With the recent update it is really useful to shout at others to revive them

[silver patrol]

Imo it's not worth the point still

[keen cradle]

At higher difficulty it is worth it as u can revive mulitple people

U can also revive people at hard to reach places

Like if they are on fire

This ofc really depends if ur build is team oriented

If ur using shout mainly for urself then its not needed

Still with the node where u get cd on elitw kills u get voice of command fairy quickly

[unreal totem]

is the point for extra 25% extra ammo necessary?

for plasma gun

[keen cradle]

If ur the only one taking ammo it isnt. I take it so i get 2 everytime with survivalist rather than getting one ammo sometime

Idk how that works

Anyways the most important thing for vet in havoc is to smoke and kill specialist and gunners

[unreal totem]

no krak?

[hybrid plover]

Oh nvr answered

[keen cradle]

Krak kills like a few crushers but at havoc 40 gunners deletes

[hybrid plover]

I think +25 is better

[keen cradle]

Even the trash gunners hurts at havoc 40

Its painful to play havoc 40 without smoke or bubble

Ideally smoke since bubble dies from too many gunners

[quiet lark]

ty <3

[plain jungle]

I think rotten armor is an exception. If the team doesn't have enough dps, they can come like a train

[keen cradle]

If the team cant handle the front line without the veteren something is wrong

[plain jungle]

Sometimes 1 crusher and a small mistake can tumble it all down

[turbid ibex]

@tall torrent hive scum base toughness is supposed to be 100 now right?

[tall torrent]

ye haven't updated

ok done

[plain jungle]

We're all ppl and in random plays all kinds of thing happen. Tbh, even with high dps big rotten horde forces the whole squad back

[keen cradle]

Then someone isnt pulling their weight. Book, shout for cc. rumbler ogryn clears this patch

[plain jungle]

Like I said, we're all ppl. Sometimes it might be lack of experience, sometimes wrong build, and sometimes that one silent trapper. Krak really does help against rotten. And with the same logic, you might as well be careful and prioritise gunners

Yesterday I had games with this super duo. Scum and ogryn. No smoke needed. Just non stop rushing and bashing. We got 7/8 H40 done. Which is insane for my standards at least

[hybrid plover]

The trash gunners are worse than actual gunners

[keen cradle]

Thats what im sayin. But noo crushers are the issue

[keen cradle]

No smoke but rumbler or taunt ogryn im guessing

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance stonks go brrr

I love facetanking gunners in h40 lol

[keen cradle]

What gun do u run with exe stance

[hybrid plover]

Anything really

I usually run double barrel lol

That or mk3 bolter

[keen cradle]

I cant seem to get the double barrel to work

[sonic kayak]

I'll double your barrel

[keen cradle]

Is it only good with exe stance?

[hybrid plover]

Flakaniac

Manstopper + Flechette

Weapon Specialist with Always Prepared

Those are the keys.

[keen cradle]

Ah okok

[hybrid plover]

When you have that setup in place, with an appropriate melee weapon, you have one of vet's most potent builds

[keen cradle]

Yea i can imagine why

[hybrid plover]

I love seeing a mixed horde turn into red mist

[keen cradle]

Been looking for an alternative to plasma

Thinking of double barrel

This should work well

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance honestly does let it take the mantle of plasma a little better

With the reduced spread.

[keen cradle]

I usually run shout

Safe pick

[hybrid plover]

I honestly think shout is worth looking past for other options in its current state tbh

[keen cradle]

How do u reliably get toughness back without shout?

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance has innate toughness regen

[keen cradle]

Ahh

[hybrid plover]

And genuinely impactful amounts of it

Since you also mark elites, it also indirectly buffs Confirmed Kill

Since you'll have first dibs on knowing where those targets are

And for each target, it stacks even more regen.

You can get to points where you literally can outregen gunners.

[keen cradle]

I see

[hybrid plover]

And you're stun immune so getting hit by a single walker won't snowball you immediately

[feral stratus]

DOT stacking with knife and recon las

[hybrid plover]

And it's also virtually active at all times if you're playing well enoigh.

[keen cradle]

Nah recon las isnt a good alternative

[feral stratus]

It's fun

[hollow ibex]

ES is goated

[feral stratus]

It's been working well for me

[keen cradle]

How does always prepared work on double barrel

[keen cradle]

In havoc?

[hollow ibex]

free reload of one shell

every 3 melee kills

so basically you can fire every 2 seconds

[feral stratus]

You shoot

You kill something with melee

You swap back

You get ammo

[hybrid plover]

You only need one for the reload. Three for the guaranteed crit

[hollow ibex]

oh sorry yeah you only need 1 melee kill

[feral stratus]

That's it

[hybrid plover]

Which you don't even need 3 for guaranteed crits sometimes because of Vet's crit chance stacking

[keen cradle]

Ah to reload ur shells without reloading since vet reload spd is terrible

[feral stratus]

Basically you don't need to reload as long as you can get melee kills

[feral stratus]

It's not even bad

But no reload is better than some reload

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty insane because it just lets you pretend you're a psyker

turns out even just mimicking a psyker makes you really powerful

[keen cradle]

Alternative fire dbarrel or primary

Ah alternative since ur using the 100 crit

[hollow ibex]

i prefer primary

alternate doesn't really add that much value

[keen cradle]

save ammo as well i guess

[hollow ibex]

yup exactly

[hybrid plover]

You want as many crits as you can get. Alternate is antisynergetic to that.

And it also decreases accuracy for longer targets.

Double barrel range is deceptive. Exe stance lets you exploit that a lot more.

Honestly wondering if i should be using frags more.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[plain jungle]

I dont remember tbh. But it definately waant taunt. Scum was the shining part I think, cuz gunners got gutted rlly fast. It felt like director couldn't keep up with advance. Hordes from behind were forced respawn in the front all over again

[sharp epoch]

4th was psker probably right

[forest lagoon]

Did anyone see this on reddit?

Actual holy shit

[tame lodge]

Just a casual Scab Mauler Saturday

[somber axle]

that would be such a fun fight with shredder frags, infiltrate and a knife/shovel with uncanny strike

wipe the room

[sharp epoch]

ogryn nuke 🤤

[somber axle]

ogryn frag bomb would be SO tasty there

[plain jungle]

if my memory serves me correctly, it was 2 ogryn, scum and (me) zealot

I was actually kinda tipsy yesterday but it didnt stop those madlads to storm through everything

[tawny badger]

500 overheads

the sounds of several overlapping overhead voice lines

[pseudo fiber]

mk4 helbore #yummerspilled

[forest lagoon]

that's the sound of Fatshark trying to ruin my day

[tawny badger]

shut the fuck UUUUUUP Morrow

[fading yarrow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3M2So6h07No?si=tEjZorf9rYHaTycm

Professional, Cadian, Professional, then both Loose Cannons

[dusk osprey]

our rando was spectating that

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-man-flying-elbow-drop-wrestling-wrestlers-gif-15700266

[dusk osprey]

how i felt when i saw that crushers big fat head when i jumped over that ledge lmaoo

[arctic ridge]

Current event really reveals how some Auric veterans from the lobby forward, have builds that just so quickly collapse in the face of, the event specials.

[willow prairie]

what the fuck is auric veteran

[arctic ridge]

Auric difficulty.

[covert barn]

probably veterans that play in auric but im not too sure

could be wrong abt that

[quiet lark]

auric andies

[quiet lark]

omg hi morvenn

[covert barn]

hihi

[slow spade]

to be fair, it's basically "hug exec stance" due to its stun immunity

[open ravine]

Like I know it's not essential but I am always a bit disappointed when I get a vet without the improved crates

[gentle lake]

Think my favorite needs to be the candle one lmfao

[brave acorn]

Jokes on you, Ive got good builds but I still fold like a taco🤣

[safe raptor]

Does Vet shout count towards the downed operatives penance progress?

[unreal nova]

Last I tried, which was a year or so ago, no.

[unreal nova]

That's more than half the vets in pubs. I'm more surprised if they have it tbh.

Most take bleed on melee for the rare chance they whack something with their dueling sword over spamming I need ammo.

[somber axle]

Yeah usually why I let people know whenever in random matchmaking

Especially since some newer players on other classes are not aware either

It's extra joy seeing a PBB Ogryn with Frag Bombs know the ammo crate is basically all his because I'm using a Lasgun and won't need to ever look at it LOL

[unreal nova]

2 oggies and 2 crates. All I knew was 5 fps at the finale.

[somber axle]

LOL that sounds amazing other than the fps drop

[unreal nova]

Too many explosions lmao.

[trail quartz]

hey bro`s. how you deal with auric and havo with Vet? it seems like meta (VoC) only is the way to go

[rotund heart]

Game sense, understanding your role and what you want to do to offer in a party, and then sticking to it to match with the role

Exe Stance is actually really good if you want to fully take on special hunter

[open ravine]

I always get confused when vets struggle for ammo as the have ammo to spare and make every shot worth something so they shouldn't be having trouble

[unreal nova]

They shoot EVERYTHING. That includes chaff.

[open ravine]

I can also and not be worried

Or do they practice melee ranged shooting

[unreal nova]

Try running bolter and only shooting.

[rotund heart]

Bolter

Revolver

[open ravine]

I can

[unreal nova]

Auric, no melee.

Also not greeding every ammo pack.

You'll run out.

[rotund heart]

People take bleed because Vet can synergize with it to some degree and it's funny

It drops off sharply in havoc to my knowledge though

[open ravine]

Possible but you need to get ammo scum for it to not be too hard

[open ravine]

Who cares for havoc let havoc players suffer

[unreal nova]

The only time I see that kind pull out their melee is in lifts to reply to someone spamming weapon swap and squats.

Why yes, they shoot bursters. >_>

[open ravine]

It is viable if they are at a distance

Hell required on burster spams

[unreal nova]

Not when they shoot it next to others trying to push.

[somber axle]

Positioning, awareness, target prioritization, melee fundamentals, loadout/talent tree that lets you handle any threat (don't rely on team mates to handle any particular problem like if you go Chainsword/Infantry Lasgun/Smokes in Auric Maelstrom matches you're going to fall over when a Crusher pack appears unless your team can solo them)

I do Exe Stance tbh

It helps with taking out specials/elites and lets you have an easier time finding the approaching disablers

You always always ALWAYS want to hit bombers/flamers and disablers

[turbid ibex]

Exestance is extremely powerful

I'd honestly consider it more meta than VoC currently

[somber axle]

Same

VoC is still strong team support

But Exe Stance just lets Vet do what it needs to do better

[tidal fox]

Needs a certain level of skill

To be better than VoC

[turbid ibex]

If youre doing havocs you better have skill in the first place

[brave acorn]

Revolver can be managed pretty well with survivalist. Unless you’re dumping a whole cylinder to kill one guy the ammo economy is amazing

[arctic ridge]

I echo this, though especially when it's sustained after taking the top-priority targets amidst the enemies.

[rotund heart]

Exe stance is on paper the better choice

But in a rando pub group, well.

[arctic ridge]

Yea, was going to touch that.

[brave acorn]

That peace of mind when it paints the trapper through a wall…

[rotund heart]

Especially when you get rando pub groups that An Hero or don’t do their role

[arctic ridge]

In a random pub group -- it can be a coin toss, as to how much or how little mileage you can get out of ExeStance.

[rotund heart]

I always get pissed off by:
a) Ogryn player refuses to get stuck in and doesn’t cc well
b) An Hero Zealot especially the ones that run ahead with Shroudfield
c) Vets that want to pad their kill score instead of doming specialists and ranged

[arctic ridge]

Stuck in?

[fair shale]

I think it's been actual years since I've heard a "vet must kill ranged"

[brave acorn]

I just run The Bigger They Are and let Horus take the rest

[rotund heart]

Someone has to since usually the Zealot’s running flamer, the Ogryn the Rumbler, and the Psyker purgatus

Or you know, bubble shield smoke, and then all the ranged start filing in close

[tidal fox]

vet is the ranged class bro cmon 🙄

[rotund heart]

Stuck in, knocking things over and fighting crowds

[arctic ridge]

Ah, so that's the lingo.

[arctic ridge]

Horus?

[rotund heart]

“Get stuck in with the Bois.”

[brave acorn]

I take the selfish skills and leave the rest of my team to fend for themselves 🤣

[rotund heart]

Smoke grenades have gone from nearly useless before to such a handy thing

[arctic ridge]

This event, I'd say it has more utility than the krak.

in random pub.

Covering the squad from the dozens of gunners & shotgunners that spits out at some close-quarter areas.

Though if its the dozens-mauler spawn area -- even then krak can only take out so much.

[ocean talon]

[Competitive Urge] or +25 Toughness? How often does the buff actually proc in h40?

[hearty panther]

often enough but its still not reliable

[brave acorn]

It’s that or demo team iirc

[somber axle]

wdym

it's not in the same row

it's never competing with Demo Team

Competitive Urge is sharing the middle bottom tree and is the row with +25 toughness and Rending Strikes

I'd also always recommend Demo Team over Competitive Urge if you have the extra point and want to decide between the two

uptime is poor on Competitive Urge and its unreliable for the moments you'd want it most

with the current event you'll kill around 800-ish enemies since hordes are mostly replaced with elites

on a 2.5% chance that means you'll have roughly 20 enemies proc it over the whole mission

at 8 seconds per buff window, over the course of a 20-30 min map, you had an uptime of 160 seconds with no control over when to use it

[brave acorn]

🤐

[somber axle]

it is a little better outside of the event when you're getting 2k-3k+ kills

it's still not something you can control and if it happens to proc while you're fighting a boss its a nice bonus

the buff IS very strong

it's just uncontrollable and the uptime isn't that good compared to something like Agile Engagement that you can functionally have up throughout fights

or Skirmisher which is a lot easier to maintain for just doing what you're going to normally do while playing

or Exe Stance which is functionally full uptime because the spawn director on higher difficulties is never going to stop throwing elites/specials

[hollow ibex]

CU is peak mid

[brave acorn]

I usually save the point and go for toughness and/or bring it down depending on the build

[somber axle]

if it had a small buff to proc chance or a way to control when you want to use it then it might be more worth

20% damage/impact is good

the extra suppression is eh

[somber axle]

it's ok I had to double check because I could swear the row with Demo Team was Leave No One Behind and something else, and forgot about Born Leader

I feel like Competitive Urge was in that spot before they redid the Vet tree

[brave acorn]

Yeah my memory of the thing was shaky even before they changed it🤣
We are one messy left side away from talent tree greatness

[somber axle]

Bottom left side could do with another touch up for sure

It's awkward trying to talent into Marksman's Focus

Especially if you're not using a Lasgun

I like Marksman's Focus with Vigilant Autoguns

[brave acorn]

You’re not the only one

What sucks is taking WS for revolver and having to drop fully loaded and clip size cuz you ran out of points

[trail quartz]

to be honest if you are a ranged DPS it is the best you have premates with you use a bolter, otherwise just use melee.
i read the other comments now, i thin veteran just straight up is a filler operator ( im level 510 true level lel) but you have to play a meta to be "useful"

[trail quartz]

on auric i never saw an actual use for that im just honest

[somber axle]

I hardly ever use Boltgun tbh. I mostly use Helbore Mk V, Infantry Lasgun Mk IIb and Vigilant Autogun Mk III. Sometimes Recons for fun

I swap between all the Recon variants for different things because I enjoy using them all

Helbore is my main weapon though

[trail quartz]

the "weapn swap" is a big downgrade i know. however even if you go as vet for a lasgun or an autogun for just coutner ranged, it seems irrelevant 80% of all time since anyone (except ogryn) jsut ruhes or outclasses you

[somber axle]

Helbore also has a slow swap speed. You just pick up One Motion and its fine

I've not really felt melee classes rushing down specials/elites faster than I can shoot them tbh

in Auric Maelstrom/Auric quickplay I tend to be outshooting the people I run into

especially since Helbores can shoot Crushers

and not care about ammo

plus Exe Stance with Ogryns subnode so I always know what's approaching, distant patrols, etc.

[trail quartz]

its weird dont get me wrong. i nfact evceryone has to play the hive scum thing where you dont even have to play all the mechanics. i dont get it why veteran is so hard punished.
i know hive dude is a glass canon but i think veteran kinda deservers better : s

[somber axle]

easier to pick priority targets with highlights

Vet is fine imo

[trail quartz]

IF you got the time. which is rarely (80% the case)

[somber axle]

wdym

I just swap depending on the situation

you never go all ranged, you're going to need to melee

but with positioning you can make space and set up to shoot

Exe Stance also instantly swaps to ranged

so you even skip the funny Helbore flipping the switch animation

also useful for Boltgun

[trail quartz]

i got swarmed while taking out priorities,r anged and priorities. you say you dont have the problem on auric?
i just ask you honest how you do that, its not a troll post.

[somber axle]

yeah I'm fine tbh

I run Tac Axe

It has strong stagger for fighting Rager swarms

It's solid for anti-mixed horde

I can use it into Crushers

It's just melee fundamentals of dodging, blocking, movement/positioning

[trail quartz]

tac axe are amazing, doesnt even what you use. as soon you use power sword you failed

[somber axle]

and knowing how the system queues up enemies into "slots" to strike you

[hollow ibex]

hiv is tankier than vet tbh lol

[somber axle]

so if you're good with movement you'll never get surrounded

[trail quartz]

._.

so sad

[somber axle]

and you can control the direction enemies attack from

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/371AC71.MP4?ex=69f6d144&is=69f57fc4&hm=543cd2141a2f6bf0ed8bb0833809f751d4c9c29286cd20c851203e0ae75f99ff&

glass cannon classes in DT be like

[somber axle]

just casually eat the overhead

[trail quartz]

true it works way better and i saw the blocks are better and the dogeds are like way wider

[somber axle]

I think the goofiest build I've done into Auric Maelstroms is Exhil Takedown + 10% TDR node + Iron Will + both 25 toughness nodes + three +17% toughness curios with +5% toughness perks

I've legitimately had people shoot poxbursters that I go to push

toughness bar empties

but I take no HP damage or corruption

it's very funny

274 toughness and a crazy amount of TDR

[hollow ibex]

bursters bypass toughness tho

[trail quartz]

ye, life sux so. most my auric runs are is like ppl leaving as they get downed

[somber axle]

I've had it happen multiple times

like legitimately no HP damage or corruption

my character just gets bounced and then my toughness regenerates again

[hollow ibex]

you had gold toughness

[trail quartz]

: <

[somber axle]

nope

no gold

[hollow ibex]

tdr won't save you from spillover

[somber axle]

I use Exe Stance

and the times it has happened wasn't with a shout Vet or chorus Zealot feeding me

[hollow ibex]

🤔

oh right spillover is if your toughness is depleted

[somber axle]

I have no idea what it is, but I think all the toughness and TDR is just barely managing to stop the max damage from poxbursters popping

so the toughness isn't 100% depleted, just dropped to like sub 5%

[hollow ibex]

now try that against snipers

[somber axle]

I have

I don't go down

but it does punch through my toughness and take like 60% HP damage or something

probably closer to 70%

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[somber axle]

if I put a Sniper damage reduction perk on

maybe I could eat it

[trail quartz]

i mostly see why ppl see why they play preferably heresy, since ppl work more together and not for the archicement or minmaxing, just win. doom me, if you want. but i excpectzed such teamplay i nhigher teamplays.

[hollow ibex]

snipers have something like 10x multiplier against toughness or some shit

[somber axle]

but I run 5% toughness perks, 20% gunner resist perks and revive speed perks

maybe if I replace the revive speed with 1 or 2 sniper resist...

but that feels dumb because usually I just dodge

and if I get hit by the sniper that was on me

[trail quartz]

ye theres some shit-pen

[somber axle]

Auric quickplay is fine but a lot of players entering Aurics lately are still learning awareness, target prioritization and melee fundamentals. Like no joke I've seen a few newer players who are in Aurics and not shoving poxbursters

I think they genuinely didn't know you should be shoving them

[trail quartz]

i usually jsut play 1 20% hp, 15% toughh, +3 stam with all 15%x3 corruptiom. x315% sprint eff, 12% x3 regen speed

[unreal nova]

Ppl play heresy is cos they can clutch easier. .-.

[somber axle]

my usual is 1 HP, 2 TGH

but sometimes I go 3 TGH to be silly

max TGH + TDR is goofy LOL

just feel invincible

[trail quartz]

mostly i end up with bots cos fuckstards leave the game as son they pushed and get downed xD

[somber axle]

I like it with Infantry Lasgun Mk IIb and Deadly Accurate/Headhunter

I can drop Ghost

because my character isn't going to have toughness break

[trail quartz]

it is frustrating

[unreal nova]

You can actually tank an overhead on heresy with 209 toughness and 150 hp, Ironwill only.

[somber axle]

I do swap in Corruption perks on my curios depending on what I'm playing into though

[trail quartz]

ah that must be the blue one., its spammy and fine. i rather enjoy the brown<y wone with highest dmg

[somber axle]

but I'm always running Gunner resist no matter what

[trail quartz]

true ._ .

i hate that

[unreal nova]

If they were shooting them, cos they don't care as long as they don't get hit.

[somber axle]

nah I mean people running into melee and then hitting them

the funniest was a Psyker recently who was high corruption

drew his dueling sword

I watched him run over thinking he'd shove

instead he stabs

it pops

he ragdolls

LMFAO

Auric has some funny creatures

[trail quartz]

tzhe off-veteran operator unique ability mdoes nothing: who actually uses veterans ability to take cover and he can use it as cver : I

[unreal nova]

Oh, I accidentally did that on stealth before. I'm kinda shadeblind and it was silent, green filter did not help.

[somber axle]

the silent poxburster stuff would make sense and that's very fair

[unreal nova]

Was lights out.

[somber axle]

but the Psyker clearly saw the poxburster

I don't know what was going through his head other than the poxburster's explosion

maybe pressed the wrong button idk

idk how controller players work

I'm mouse/keyboard

[trail quartz]

the veteran operator unique ability mdoes nothing: who actually uses veterans ability to take cover and he can use it as cover : I

you are always swarmed

[somber axle]

I use it to look cooler in front of other players for fun sometimes LOL

like there's that map with the bridge right before the elevator

and as soon as you call the lift enemies spawn on the other end of the bridge

[unreal nova]

Controller only sucks for things like aiming while sliding and pinging and using blitzs like throwing knoifes.

[somber axle]

there are sandbags/crates to use as cover

[trail quartz]

: s

[somber axle]

it's one of the few times I'll crouch behind cover than aim down sights to pop my head over

fun for catching the first few elites/specials as they filter in

it's really not necessary

it's just for the fun

[unreal nova]

Wrong game to add it in lmao.

[trail quartz]

ya thats it fdor vet. and the one throneside-thingy..

[somber axle]

aura farming

[trail quartz]

i dont get it overall since its called "veteran"

otherwise use the name "oen way ticked due"

[unreal nova]

Veteran of the years of brown cover shooters.

[trail quartz]

: 3

[unreal nova]

If you are old enough to know, lul.

[trail quartz]

i know its canon fudder but you get my point

[somber axle]

I just want the fun moment of a team of all Veterans lined up like

[unreal nova]

More, there was a time where nearly every shooter leaned into cover based shooter.

[somber axle]

it's so fun

I'm mostly playing Darktide because this is the closest feel to playing as the Imperial Guard

[trail quartz]

im glad they are there for dps but never put the damage. i wonder why. we talk about darktide, not the movies

[trail quartz]

kinda ya : s

[somber axle]

it will probably never happen (the game engine would probably collapse) but if they ever did an 8 player mode with a lot more spawns, larger maps, etc. it would be crazy

[trail quartz]

still i think vet sucks at + herecy, theres a jsut a meta

[unreal nova]

But but but, going in and stabbing.

[somber axle]

That's ok. I love going in and stabbing too. That's part of the Guard. Sometimes you're going to get stuck in. This isn't CoD or Battlefield thankfully and I think the melee combat is AMAZING. I just also love the ranged combat

[unreal nova]

Naw, is just most ppl dunno how to play.

[unreal nova]

Is more, Catachan style anyway.

[somber axle]

Vet is fine tbh. It's not the strongest class in meta atm (Psyker and Hive Scum are the top tiers right now iirc for Havoc? Psyker for SURE) but it's also not the weakest (arguably Ogryn depending on who you ask)

[sly orchid]

vet has kraks shredders exe stance melee and powersword

an extremely strong class even at havoc 40

[somber axle]

I really want Catachan cosmetics

[trail quartz]

even on auric with plasma and bless in voc it just suckks so have better one trly good taunt ogryn or 2 zealors with high dphs rush or just scu,ms with the weird needleds to over-go al lproblems

[somber axle]

have you played with power sword

and like

trench fighter drill + weapon specialist

Vet cleans up the frontline VERY well

a good Power Sword Vet is going to outdo a Zealot

[trail quartz]

dont ever do that O wO

[sly orchid]

this statement is...

true

[trail quartz]

never do that on auric it just fucvks you over

[sly orchid]

vet can confortably do bosses and elites with powersword

[unreal nova]

Same. Might be the only thing I might double on lul.

[somber axle]

Power Sword Vet requires someone to be confident in melee fundamentals. You need to know blocking, dodging, pushing, positioning and movement. But you can legitimately be an immovable wall and take on a swarm of Ragers solo without needing to run away

[trail quartz]

apower has no stagger, mostly thatsa your down fukking down

[somber axle]

And like I remember a clip posted recently showing that if you run Power Cycler/Slaughterer you get a funny Rager stagger

[sly orchid]

tactical axe is also extremely good with serated blade onslought rending strikes

[unreal nova]

You are either skill issuing or watching avg pubtide players skill issuing.

[somber axle]

Most run Power Cycler/Brutal Momentum or Sunder and for good reason

[trail quartz]

i use the same setup. nop its not relialeble

[somber axle]

the only other time I have done a full buyout for all classes was Elysians and that's only because they're my fav Regiment

but Catachan is #2

[somber axle]

the moment they post a Catachan week I'll buy out the shop

[sly orchid]

id swap out slaught for brutal momentum/sunder

[trail quartz]

: o

[somber axle]

Yeah I mean that Path/Guide cat recently showed a clip with Slaughterer bullying Ragers

they were experimenting with it iirc?

it did look fun

I just don't run Power Sword very often

[sly orchid]

path experiments alot with weapons

he made the entire damn vet guide

[unreal nova]

Inquisitors, except oggy cos don't really play. Inquisitor Commissar, Saltz cosplay and coat on coat on coat.

[trail quartz]

wto be honest if you want to deal with ragers go for maniac, weeakspot oor just block it but no powerword, and also use other classees : s
true story.

[somber axle]

Inquisitors was also fantastic

I just didn't get it on Oggy for the same reason

[trail quartz]

just staggerttt with your main or greneade

[sly orchid]

@tall torrent can you show a clip versus ragers

using powersword

please :3

[unreal nova]

They just need to fix the bald spot on the hat for the vet set.

Like, been complained but ignored.

[trail quartz]

hf fun fixing ft something xD dont get me wrong

[somber axle]

I can post the vids

one sec

I just used discord search filters

this is what a good power sword Vet can do

and they can put in the work

[trail quartz]

so waht happens if you get interrupted one time? your are done for.

[somber axle]

you don't get interrupted

Exe Stance gives stun and slow ommunity

so you literally just maintain Exe Stance

[sly orchid]

you use exe stance for stun immunity

[unreal nova]

Or just drop 2 frags. Like, they'll just bleed out.

[somber axle]

Plasma/Revolver

remember to swap to maintain Exe Stance buff

[sly orchid]

get hit once toughness is immediatly back

[somber axle]

and then just keep swinging Power Sword

[trail quartz]

msotly there issnt time for that you get the dmg

[unreal nova]

Drop 3 at that point.

Everything but crushers (and bosses, but that's obvious) will just bleed to death.

[somber axle]

yeah tbh I ran Shredders when I was getting my event wins to get the new badge

[trail quartz]

most aurics i made cos i didnt played auric with ver since he has only voc and thats it. i dont play meta so.. thats it.

[somber axle]

it was just nice into Mauler/Flak Rager packs

[sly orchid]

force bleed rending with knife lololol

[somber axle]

and they spawn a LOT of Maulers and Ragers

[trail quartz]

usually as expected ye

[somber axle]

someone posted this in the pics and vids chat

and I wish I was there

that would have been SO FUN to fight

[unreal nova]

I mean, if there's something to swing at after everything else gets Thanos snapped.

[somber axle]

truly a Mauler Monday moment

[sly orchid]

6000 fucking scab maulers

eat this man

[somber axle]

can you imagine one Ogryn Frag Bomb??

JUST ONE OGRYN

[trail quartz]

looks familiar - usually theres a desperate plan bn

[somber axle]

and the room is gone

[unreal nova]

Because I'm not going into melee against 16 crushers at 300 ping.

[somber axle]

tastiest Ogryn Frag Bomb in Darktide history

[trail quartz]

but ppl leave nevore that plan goes into

they just want the archivement and eaving is the cheapest thng

[unreal nova]

2-3 frags and a few secs should clear out as well tbh.

[somber axle]

yes

Infiltrate drop frags

empty room

[trail quartz]

yus

[sly orchid]

Imagine ogryn pickaxe with caracape cleave

Genuinely unstoppable at this event

[trail quartz]

is there actual an difference?

[tall torrent]

Sure

[somber axle]

and this event is right after they buffed Ogryn Frag Bomb to kill all human-sized elites

[unreal nova]

Extra funny when your ragdolls is at 1 only.

Literal snap.