veteran-class

[willow prairie]

especially if you're using psword

[faint beacon]

.75s is not that fucking severe

We had it so SO much worse when it was 1s

[unreal nova]

I CBA, they don't believe me anyway back in the days. And to be fair, is now, go back to kitchen or nobody caring.

[willow prairie]

I wasn't born yesterday but whatever

[somber axle]

That's exactly why I hide. Some people have been weird and awful, are weird and awful now, and will be weird and awful tomorrow too

[willow prairie]

actually having stamina getting into melee is better than 5-20% stamina once in a while but you do you

[languid stump]

I had a really weird dream last night

[faint beacon]

Lmao agree to disagree then, just going to keep using it cause I've literally never had issues with it nor with it in my builds

[languid stump]

Basically they released a new mission and it ends with you trying to reach the storm raptor in a train station? And a train pulls up and the doors open and it’s just filled wall to wall with dreg enemies

And there’s a solid three seconds of shocked silence before they start attacking

[sly orchid]

rolling steel isnt new lol

or are you talking about the assassination mission

[steep flower]

Are you old tho?
You know what they say
The wrinklier the fruit the sweeter the flesh (its a quote slightly altered from Ice Age movie btw)

You just jealous

I like it

Very nice; planning is rewarding

[somber axle]

I went through SNA so it was nice. Avoid the chaos of the crowds at LAX, closer taxi ride to my hotel at the Clarion and a 2 minute walk to the convention center because we are right next to it

We got a cheap price too. $800 for the week split between two people for the location is insane

The Hilton and Marriot were probably charging people thousands for the week

[steep flower]

I NEVER been on any convention - i’m a scaredy cat & don’t feel too comfortable alone in alien places

[somber axle]

They're so fun! And I am a lifetime cosplayer now

Definitely not a professional looking for engagement or anything on social media. I just like dressing up with friends. A lot of people wanted pictures

My first ever convention I've ever attended that I wasn't working for was Fanfest in Vegas 3 years ago, this is my second and I'm going to Blizzcon in September

Very worth especially if you have people to join you

I make dumb money so I'm dragging friends out of their holes by offering to pay all their expenses the whole trip for Blizzcon LOL

[sly orchid]

inb4 you get the greasiest sweatiest dude to ask you to take pics when your sitting for some peace and quiet

(its me)

[grand perch]

hi @faint beacon 👋

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cry-sad-QT0--k01KQ5HPZGAXV67QHT5H1PW473C

[somber axle]

The fun part is that FFXIV Fanfest didn't have people like that as far as I saw. People were well dressed and properly properly showered/use deodorant. I worked for EVO in Vegas. I know what Gamer Stink is

[unreal nova]

I get it. I just got used to it and like, prefer mic than trying to fumble type.

[arctic ridge]

Come to think of it now -- am wondering how the 'laspistol with krak is best way for havoc 40 squad' talk vs. 'krak has little to no place in high havoc' talk would go, between those two quickplay players I've separately encountered. Considering their 'i'm right, there's nothing else' vibes.

[somber axle]

Gamers who main fighting games are the sweatiest around

[unreal nova]

You just want to be stabbed.

[somber axle]

Oh but also! It was never an inconvenience, at least for me. I was always happy to see other fans and take pictures together. Some just wanted to take pics of me and wanted to ask if it was OK first which I appreciated a ton

[unreal nova]

Everyone watching two monkeys throwing shit at each other? Yeah.

[sly orchid]

Especially smash bros players

[arctic ridge]

'this is the strongest way to play havoc'

'no you totally wrong, it's this way'

[somber axle]

I'm sorry if you are one of them. EVO is genuinely the worst smelling convention I have ever had the misfortune to attend. And I was only there because I was working on the property

[steep flower]

Yes pls

[desert viper]

i was insanely cracked at brawlhalla and MK

thats about it

im retired from both competitively speaking

[arctic ridge]

The only thing they would likely agree in common is, don't hold the squad back from being terrible because of your crutch / laziness, I reckon.

[somber axle]

That's fair. I've never been competitive anything and whenever I'd play pvp I'd just end up mad at mostly myself for getting stomped a lot so I like PvE games a lot more. If Darktide had a PvP mode similar to the Vermintide versus I don't think I'd ever play it

[desert viper]

same oomf

[sly orchid]

Darktide wont get versus

[desert viper]

i had too much experience in pvp games

[sly orchid]

Its been a complete failure

[warm swallow]

Dt pvp would be too like

Unbalanced

[somber axle]

I'm not going to get mad at someone else who beats me. They're good. That's just skill and something to admire. I just get frustrated when I suck LOL

[desert viper]

OW, BH, MK are some of the biggest games i had the mistake of getting into competitively at an impressionable age

i then turned to speedrunning games which wasnt much better but

[somber axle]

When you say complete failure do you mean Darktide or the Versus?

I'm joking

[sly orchid]

Versus

[somber axle]

But also That's unfortunate

[sly orchid]

I swesr to god

[somber axle]

The versus looked interesting

[sly orchid]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGj9VKNWAAA-d5u.webp

[somber axle]

LOL

[desert viper]

THE LOATHSOME

the people of leyndel dont look freakish

[bitter turtle]

EVO owned by blood money now anyway

Also is plasma still the best pew pew for vet

Haven't played in a while

[unreal nova]

Yep. Just like that. Shit throwing lul.

[somber axle]

Still a top tier Vet weapon yeah

Nerfs didn't touch it much

Helbore is also a top tier but with a lot of caveats and a different playstyle

[arctic ridge]

If there's anything out of today's quickplay player -- makes me wonder in what manner does laspistol quote-unquote totally outperform the plasma.

Well, besides ammo.

[bitter turtle]

Style points

[narrow frost]

Mobility, crit synergy, finesse, unyielding damage are the top points I can think of

I think maniac damage too? Unsure on this though

[bitter turtle]

Unless something changed I swear laspistol had bad maniac modifiers

[narrow frost]

I might be thinking of las rifle

[bitter turtle]

It was the opposite of ilas

Yeah

[narrow frost]

Tis why I am unsure

[bitter turtle]

Ilas was excellent maniac horrible flak

That im pretty sure

[fading canopy]

is veteran op

[hollow ibex]

no

[arctic ridge]

Not flak for laspistol?

[willow prairie]

I mean it 1 shot scab gunner

why flak

[narrow frost]

Not many threats I kill with ranged have flak heads

Only gunners

And I think I can still 1 tap without flak

[willow prairie]

flak + unyielding tbh

just use your melee for rager

[gentle lake]

Maniac is great for flamer enemies

Puts them down nice

[turbid ibex]

also trappers

[willow prairie]

laspistol already 1 shot trapper so

flamer is like 2 tap either way

[turbid ibex]

ye but more damage :3

[quiet lark]

:3

[stuck tree]

[mighty python]

Do dreg ragers count as unarmored? They’ve got no armor but only the maniac popup shows when you damage them

[turbid ibex]

maniac

unarmored is separate

[mighty python]

Gotcha, ty

[turbid ibex]

dreg gunners, dreg shotgunners, bombers, sniper and some fodder enemies

[mighty python]

I was thinking about maybe switching unarmored for elite dmg on my plasma gun

[narrow frost]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743&searchtext=enemy

@mighty python

Kuli's guide on every enemy

[mighty python]

Ty!

[narrow frost]

they take reduced ranged but are all maniac

[turbid ibex]

haven't seen anyone ever recommend that so prob not a good idea

[mighty python]

Gotcha, thx

[somber axle]

It's on the pinned guide

[turbid ibex]

anyone recommending elite over unarmored

[somber axle]

Ah ok I misread whoops sorry

3 hours of sleep is melting my brain

[faint beacon]

Sup

[fading canopy]

i understand frags now

[slow sky]

No theyre bad
Just run kraks because crushers scary and they make me pee my pants so you need kraks to deal with them for me

[fading canopy]

WHT

WHY

[upper jungle]

quick question: is helbore lasgun good?

[fading canopy]

yea

[upper jungle]

in what cases then

[fading canopy]

being in the back because you have the mobility of a stone

[slow sky]

Yes, its one of vets best guns but requires you to actually lean into it

Very much a left side of the tree weapon

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/Mv9aRrDIlfw?is=E-7OGM8mR01i7pOQ

[tame lodge]

All of them

Single target? Helbore

Horde clearing? Helbore

Hotshot+ Withering Fire giving you the equivalent to 9 cleave

[orchid hemlock]

Probably the best weapon in the game if you use it perfectly

[somber axle]

One of Vet's best weapons by far that does everything from elite/special sniping to mixed horde clearing, high boss damage and including Crusher killing in 2-3 shots virtually free from Shock Trooper/Surgical. It requires a lot of practice because the gun has a lot of downsides you will feel when you first try it

You can alleviate some downsides with the right talents but Helbore benefits most when you have a frontline to buy you space for sniping everything

It has a higher skill floor than most Vet weapons because of the awkward design from the sights to the slow swap speed and slow reload speed to the charge to shoot mechanic no other gun relies on like Helbores do. And most don't charge to shoot anyway like even if Plasma can charge shots it doesn't ever need or want to

Very few ranged weapons can shoot Crushers. Very few are worth shooting into Carapace at all. Helbore is the only gun in the game that can shoot Carapace and delete Crushers for free

[slow sky]

If youre max height you can precharge a shot, jump and fire to one shot a bulwark to the head over his shield

[willow prairie]

every class outside ogryn want to heightmaxx anyway

[rustic kite]

Power falchion dump stat?

[hollow ibex]

mob

[junior haven]

ive never been a helbore fan but this hyping up is gonna make me try it out. i really, really wish vigilant was a worthwhile weapon. i really do enjoy how it feels.

[restive mountain]

@tall torrent

[obtuse crypt]

is the powersword good?

and if whihc variant

[tepid otter]

Mk 6 iirc?

[turbid ibex]

one of the best melees in the game

mk6

get power cycler blessing

[obtuse crypt]

why mk6?

kinda like the mk 3 moveset more

with the big horizontal slash on heavy

[tepid otter]

the stab PA prolly

deals big dmg and can almost one shot enemies

[turbid ibex]

better in every way

better damage, better moveset, can block cancel

there is legit 0 reason to ever use mk3

[next musk]

I was not aware of the push attack stab followup's game

that thing is ridiculous

shame you only get the only hit in a charge cycle though lol

[turbid ibex]

you can follow up the stab with two lights

[next musk]

this statement is true

[turbid ibex]

this statement is false

[next musk]

https://tenor.com/view/heinrix-van-calox-warhammer-warhammer-40k-rogue-trader-gif-16809744634531926119

[stoic thorn]

"Yo open the door there's a solely ranged vet who plays exe stance outside"

https://tenor.com/view/netanyahu-mr-prime-minister-bibisitter-bibi-benjamin-netanyahu-gif-1031068215856054185

[obtuse crypt]

wouldnt the ml3 be better for clearing hordes with its wide sweeps on heavy?

[tawny badger]

hello
is me

[steep flower]

not really
if we consider blessings, talents & perks you have more than helbore;
Plasma Gun
Boltgun Mk IIb
Every ogryn gun exept kekback
Zarona revolver (imo not worth it)
On scum you can shoot with DAP, INF Auto, Shredder & Stubs even, Needle Gun
Mk8 exterminator shotgun after special shell
Recon las on vet if you take onslaught (many ppl still frown on that)
so yeah; more than helly
as for 'free'; well... there is no such things as 'free'

[somber axle]

Free as in costs no ammo

Helbore can go into engagements and run ammo positive

As in you gained more ammo than you spent

Only lasguns can do this

And only Helbore, of all the Lasguns, is capable of doing this to Crushers

The guns you listed are honestly not worth shooting at crushers for the most part

Plasma shouldn't

Boltgun shouldn't

Zarona can but is ammo hungry for it

If you have to spend 2-3 shots per Crusher and a pack appears you are sinking ammo

Helbore isn't

[hollow ibex]

thats the neat part, you don't heavy on PS

[somber axle]

Scum has more options for sure but it has Desperado so technically any gun you shoot with it is free. That doesn't quite give it good DPS/TTK on Crushers though like DAP is very slow by comparison

[obtuse crypt]

since when?

[south spindle]

Wut

[steep flower]

if only you experienced what i did then

[somber axle]

How much ammo are you spending per Crusher on a Boltgun? And how good is ammo economy on Boltguns again? The burst is solid but the ammo efficiency is ass tier LOL

[steep flower]

there is a reason i put those weapons in

[south spindle]

On my dedicated Bolter build, two

[hollow ibex]

since as long as i've been playing. so years.

[steep flower]

up to 4 then finish in melee

[somber axle]

See that's the thing why are you doing 4 then finishing in melee instead of just going into melee? Helbore doesn't need to go into melee at all

[somber axle]

Cool so on a Crusher pack you've spent 8-14 shots right? Helbore spent none

[steep flower]

cause it works; and its the best build for boltgun mk IIb you can make for vet

[turbid ibex]

no

[obtuse crypt]

what perks should i run? flak and maniac dmg=

[south spindle]

Right, but I literally don't care. Boltgun is a very strong weapon into all targets, and it goes bang/makes heretics go bang and thusly, its better than a puny lasgun

[turbid ibex]

dont bother with heavies on power sword

[turbid ibex]

unyielding carapace

[somber axle]

Sure but that doesn't make it good for Carapace and if you have to swap melee I'd argue it needs melee to work to begin with, and at that point why not just go melee in the first place and save the ammo for targets that Boltgun can handle better LOL

[south spindle]

Turning heretics into literal soup > Not having to care about ammo

[steep flower]

You right now to that
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16369363362509683202/9796DF730DDDEF87B2DB21F8657DDEDDC67E53E8/

[south spindle]

It doesnt play because fuck me I guess

Discord gonna discord

[somber axle]

I play Helbore so you can vacuum ammo tins. I'm infinite ammo so Boltgun users can sit orange instead of red

[steep flower]

give it time

[somber axle]

Boltgun is fun but it's really not anywhere close to Crusher killing capability or ammo efficiency

If you enjoy the weapon for the visuals and audio that's totally fair

But performance-wise it is blown out of the water

[south spindle]

No, like its buffered and plays, but the picture is static with no audio, happens sometimes, just a discord issue with formats or HWA

[steep flower]

ammo efficiency? sure
Crusher killing? nah; in a close situation your helly ain;t gonna do jack
boltgun will save you however

[south spindle]

I don't think thats the case at all tbh

[steep flower]

fuck...

[somber axle]

btw no Recon Lasgun is NOT worth using on Crushers even with Onslaught
after the HP buff pushing them from 4k HP to 6.5K the TTK is horrid

if you are spraying you better be praying because your TTK is awful

[steep flower]

maybe you need a proper build to see how it can do in the field

[somber axle]

unless you're saying "I spray for onslaught and then melee"

in which case just melee

[south spindle]

Boltgun does stuff that Hellbore can't do aswell... like evaporate entire blobs that decide to run out of a spawn door and bite your ankles, or clearing a bunch of room for a res

[quiet lark]

this is true but they were specifically talking about shooting crushers i htink

[steep flower]

its still nice cause it debuffs them for your team & you & ammo efficiency is still big cause shock trooper

[south spindle]

Like Hellbore is aight, but I dont think it particularly lends itself to being flexible, like you're gonna get folded with Hellbore if you have to solo clutch unless you're actually god-tier as a player, you probably won't with Boltgun

That says a lot about a weapon's all round decency

[somber axle]

and still not worth doing because other guns or just swapping melee handles the problem faster/better

[somber axle]

Yeah this is true for sure

That's why I like running Hotshot + Withering Fire for deleting rows of things at once

the cleave gets silly LOL

[somber axle]

also very true

[somber axle]

I've played a bunch with Boltgun on different builds and I was never impressed but if you think a different tree will make it comparable to Helbore I'd be down to see what your talent set up is like

[south spindle]

Its just how it is, its "can I reasonably save this faliure feista or not".

If the box tick is a no, regardless of what perks a weapon has, its always going to be overall less good, and more reliant on team-support than something that ticks yes

[steep flower]

its still viable
or you can go meta slaving; after all why use anything else over 1 - 2 weapons right

[somber axle]

nah not meta slaving, just looking at what's functional

like you wouldn't tell someone "spray braced autogun with onslaught at a Crusher and then take dueling sword into it"

[steep flower]

it is functional wdym

[somber axle]

that's just goofy

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

recon

[somber axle]

speaking of which can you record yourself taking your Recon into Psykanium, spawn a Crusher pack and then record TTK/DPS

you're talking it up like it isn't slow

and I know it's slow

I came back and Recons were my fav weapon

I know there's no way you can build them to do 6.5k DPS

[steep flower]

Here; this build is old as my balls & it performed everytime though time - watch the vid, read the guide, test it yourself
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fdab5a4-84b5-4191-a786-b0b995f073ab/moebian-21st-redeemer-build

[south spindle]

I mean... Idk about now, not messed with them for ages, but prior to the HP rework, some setups could get you 3.5K DPS into Crusher and 4K into Reaper so

[somber axle]

also the braced autogun example was the idea of "everything is viable but not every idea is viable"

[somber axle]

I know I was the clown who did that stuff into Auric Maelstroms pre-Havoc release LOL

you could genuinely get 4k+ DPS and spend only 5 ammo on a Crusher with a lucky crit string

when I say that Recons are not worth spraying into Crushers

I know this because I've already taken that moment into Rumbling Giants and had the realisation that no it isn't an option anymore

A year long break made me rusty but numbers don't lie

Recon isn't a Crusher killing tool

At best it's you using it as a set up tool with Onslaught for someone else or your melee to be a better Crusher killing tool

[quiet lark]

1638 dps without having to reload, four crushers take three mags. done with onslaught, dum dum, infernus, +5% crit chance

30% ammo used

[obtuse crypt]

would the boltgun go well together with the powersword?

[south spindle]

I mean.. that should be obvious, if you take a weapon with mid cara damage (not bad, mid) into an event that spams Ogryns at you every half second, like yeah, you're gonna have a hard time

[quiet lark]

oh wait ignore the ammo cos i just grabbed random talents without shock trooper :3

[obtuse crypt]

or what ranged option u guys prefer with it

[south spindle]

I wouldn't personally. Two low mobility weapons is kinda always a hard-no-no

[blazing jetty]

Bolter + Powersword is actually my go-to for a ranged build

[obtuse crypt]

would lasgun be ok?

[hollow ibex]

yeah unless you are very confident in your mechanical abilities / positioning

[blazing jetty]

But I might be nuts

[steep flower]

and thats why its still viable
do not dismiss options purely based on numbers

[somber axle]

I will check it all thanks. Also MAJOR props for the Moebian 21st theme. I love that regiment and the beta Moebian 21st gear is my most used cosmetic set. I'm so down to be proven wrong because Boltgun is amazing but it's always felt ammo anemic and too stressed on ammo to think of spending into Crushers often enough to be a reliable tool for it

[south spindle]

It'ds be alright, but if I was gonna run PSword, I would run Laspistol

[steep flower]

thank god you are based on that one

[somber axle]

You can squeeze more out of it with a different talent tree set up but it's not ever going to be that impressive tbh

[south spindle]

Gee its almost like I've been playing this since beta or something

[obtuse crypt]

what blessing would u run on ps?

[blazing jetty]

Always power cycler

[obtuse crypt]

i have the one with extra charfed attack and the one that gives str on kills

[hollow ibex]

pc 4 + brumentum / sunder / slaughterer

[south spindle]

Aye there ye go, these folks are more knowledgeable about Psword than I am, never enjoyed playing it enough to put any time on it

[somber axle]

Oh yeah but I didn't know what was going on when I returned from a year long break. I just knew that there was a Kasrkin style helmet with the red visor in and had to have it so I tried my fav playstyle into Rumbling Giants and learned very fast the Crushers got buffed and the Recons had fallen away from the ability to spray them to death with any reasonable TTK

[steep flower]

My pleasure; it all comes down to when to use it & scavenging for ammo if need be
Micromanaging & fire control; game knowledge is half the battle
I wish i had the beta helmet... but alas i opted for smth that looks very well with the outfit + moebian 21st use masks so it fits

[obtuse crypt]

i love the chiansword but i have to admit after i tried ps now in the test area the dmg is insane u can easyily one or 2 shot maulers and ragers

and u can even fuck crushers easy

[south spindle]

The TTK is probably still fine in general gameplay, but yeah, as with any non-dedicated armour busting weapons, you don't drag them into situations where you know there is gonna be nothing but armour

[hollow ibex]

yeah psword is pretty insane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1424814179369488415/1490161564014215369/49065A1.MP4?ex=69ef64da&is=69ee135a&hm=9bafd9f161f22ed21825e22bf04f684f8afae143d86a7c004c9e5da113f2e5b9&

[steep flower]

i wish i had the beta helmet... it would fit into so many cosmetics... alas...

[south spindle]

I mean yeah, P'sword is really strong, I dont think there is any debate regarding that, but the mobility is so ass if you get into a fight, you are not disengaging from it easily and that just dont suit how I play

[somber axle]

I'd say no but it depends on what you mean by general gameplay. I've had moments in Auric HiSTG and Auric Maelstroms that have had Crusher packs when I take a Recon into them and the weapon is suffering trying to spray into a wall of Crushers all clipping into each other trying to get to you and your team

Easier to just swap melee

[south spindle]

Its the perfect "Im an actual moron and will make this a wipe" helmet for Expies

[obtuse crypt]

kinda the same on chainsword , so for me nothing changes but my dmg output will be much better which means i dont gotta run in the first pkace bc i can just sweep most stuff away in 2 swings

[steep flower]

omg thats an absolute

You make me miss the helmet even more now...

[south spindle]

Well yeah, but as a general rule thats mostly what you should be doing in any situation where there are more than you can reasonably shoot at, thats just how the game is, when I mean general gameplay I mean when the game drip feeds them into you rather than shitting its pants and having an "oops all Crushers" moment

[obtuse crypt]

how do u do the stab?

[blazing jetty]

Push attack

[south spindle]

Nah, Chainsword is very mobile, its just kinda rough into armour. Its mostly a Scummer weapon at this point as Scum deals melee damage so juiced even Psyker's blush round them

[somber axle]

Yeah that's fair. A Crusher or two sprinkling in is fine, but a big group is going to be a big problem LMFAO

[steep flower]

also; the vid is shot BEFORE rotten armour fix aka; those in the vid have 50% DR instead of going into weakness with lower HP now
so its technically harder before

[somber axle]

that's a very top heavy tree wow

why 6 stack Focus Target?

just for the slightly better damage on maintaining Redirect Fire?

or are you saving Focus Target more often to let it build to 6 stacks?

[hollow ibex]

the single target combo is PA L L. the PA is insanely strong

[somber axle]

also half tempted to swap Field Improv into Trench Fighter for the Shovel

[copper vector]

do brittleness stacks from armorbane and onslaught stack

[steep flower]

boss dmg & better redirect yes
before it was oof but now its very good to take

[tame lodge]

Yes
Generic brittle
Caps at 40%

And in this instance

[steep flower]

NEVER DO THAT
trench is not required tbh; considering moveset of the mk III it does not need it

[tame lodge]

Armourbane just applies too much already

Except Helbore doesn't really want rending

[somber axle]

that's fair and thanks for the advice I tend to use the non-folding shovel more

[tame lodge]

Past 75% charge you apply 12 stacks

[somber axle]

way less experienced with the folding shovels

[steep flower]

every info is in the guide; the vid showcases how the build performs & how to use it proper
give it a watch & a read & a thought

[somber axle]

yeah I've been checking over everything and watching

it's definitely a very melee heavy playstyle vs Helbore

Boltgun is still always satisfying magdumping into bosses

the Burgle back magdump was nice

[somber axle]

if Marksman had been up too that would've been crazier

[somber axle]

NO IRON WILL? that's HERESY

[tidal fox]

if youre good at the game you dont need iron will

just dont get hit

[tame lodge]

True

[south spindle]

Classic

[tame lodge]

Curioless run starting tomorrow

Iron man too

[copper vector]

thanks for the info on armorbane
also
what's the dump stat for plasma gun if i dont want to chase 61/79

[tidal fox]

6... 7...

[tame lodge]

It's thermal iirc

[blazing jetty]

Ok fixed

[south spindle]

If you didnt complete Havoc 40 with your unupgraded starter guns, no curious and no skill points, you're not good at this game tbh

[somber axle]

do you melt if shooters/gunners look at you

[turbid ibex]

its 69/71

[somber axle]

or are you just laser focused on positioning/dodging/sliding

[tidal fox]

dont let them see you

[copper vector]

oops

[tidal fox]

ez

[somber axle]

because no iron will and you're down

[copper vector]

https://klipy.com/gifs/well-well-well-old-guy-smoking-1--k01KQ6930GQY459R72ZTEHKDAFM

[tame lodge]

Yes thermal dump if you're economically restrained

[tidal fox]

I literally did not run iron will for like my first 100 hours on this game on vet

cause I did not know it was that good

[somber axle]

I remember when people were doing all grey weapon challenge runs into Auric Maelstroms before Havoc existed LMFAO

[tame lodge]

1 handed low sensitivity low fov controller too

[south spindle]

Nah, dance pad, mate or steering wheel, nothing else counts

[south spindle]

Aye, been a thing a long old while at this point

[obtuse crypt]

btw wgy unyielding and cara on ps? instead of glak and maniac

[somber axle]

I guess if you spent your life on broken legs you learned to make that work to keep up

[tame lodge]

Ok imagining playing the game on the guitar hero controller

[tidal fox]

yeah I think good advice for newbies is to make whatever build they want and push it into maelstrom

which is what I did

[south spindle]

Brutal Legend/Darktide crossover we didnt know we needed tbh

[tidal fox]

but I came from vermintide and I find this game a lot easier so maybe it's just a me thing

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/guitar-hero-justjoshinch-justjoshin-clonehero-gif-1492376654942071404

[steep flower]

and no WS nor any talent on the right side & it its still kicking

[somber axle]

it's ok I also did silly things when I was newer like running 3 stamina curio Deadshot Reciprocity Recon into Auric Maelstroms during the earlier patches when Recon was considered F-tier by the community and the weakest weapon in the game alongside the Shredder Autopistol and built horrible looking talent trees just to make a bottom tier weapon good enough to be MAYBE mid tier LMFAO

[tidal fox]

I was running bolt pistol with shovel and pretty much never using my shovel

fully believed vet was the ranged class

(it still is btw)

[somber axle]

it's hybrid so yes but not always ranged

[tidal fox]

that was irony

[somber axle]

Vet is the ranged class players when the silent poxburster appears

[south spindle]

Vet hasnt been ranged class since they killed Camo Expert. (Thank fuck for that)

[somber axle]

Camo Expert was DUMB

[tidal fox]

whats camo expert

[somber axle]

the DUMBEST

ok so back during early release there was a different talent tree

[steep flower]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10876633708102115904/390ECB32FD26AFDF3C915CA118F4429B0CD04BEC/

[south spindle]

Yeah, it was peak 'tardation that skill

[somber axle]

Camo Expert reduced threat by like 90% just for standing still

you could still shoot just fine

enemies would walk past you

you basically stopped existing because they had T-Rex vision

[tidal fox]

💀

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-invisible-invisable-still-infinity-war-gif-13730214

[somber axle]

THERE IT IS

[south spindle]

Aye so Vets would just freeze the second they came under duress and instantly aggro dump everything onto the nearest teammate with no payoff

[somber axle]

this was also terrible for the team because one less person dealing with aggro meant MORE AGGRO AND PRESSURE onto the rest of your team

[south spindle]

Also, the community was a lot shittier back then as a general rule, so aggro dumping like that 5 times a room caused a lot of problems

[tidal fox]

shroudfield zealot moent

[south spindle]

Nah, Zealot stealth is strong as fuck in the hands of someone competant

[tidal fox]

knife shroudfield to be exact

[somber axle]

I miss the really dumb Shroudfield Loner Zealots tbh

they were either the most cracked players ratting their way through a map

[south spindle]

Ahhh yes, the "speedrunners"

[somber axle]

already at the checkpoint and gnawing at the door waiting for you to catch up

or they were idiots who ran around a wall

got dogged/netted

and then disconnected out of shame

mostly the latter

[tidal fox]

these are now moreso the hivescums

I think

[south spindle]

That was the funniest bit though, they would reach a progression point miles away from the team, die, cuss everyone out in chat for not covering them and then ragequit. Truly as funny as the "I am the wall" Ogryns

[somber axle]

yeah that type is definitely on Hive Scum now more than Zealots

[somber axle]

YEAH LMFAO

I miss the Shieldgryns

[tidal fox]

especially since theyre trying to make the scum more dodgy

all the knife zealots love em

[steep flower]

@south spindle Jumpscare moment
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17897516049326888723/14879A90AB9D7BE589F3A2FAABD71397E83DC1EB/

[somber axle]

my fav moment was when the buffed non-elite shooters and also the elite gunners for a patch leading to Ogryns cowering behind shields constantly

[south spindle]

Nah, Scum's problem is a little different... its that you can kill so much faster than most other classes and are super mobile, so even without intent, its very easy to find yourself miles away from teh team

[somber axle]

Gloriana just released too

so we had the most wide open field with little to no cover after the lift

and Ogryns are walking out terrified

felt so bad for them LMFAO

[south spindle]

Guess what.

This one don't work either

[steep flower]

wtf

[tidal fox]

I've only noticed them going past the team and getting trapper'd then immedietly DCing

havent seen any knife zealots except for myself

[south spindle]

Bruh when they put the first iteration of Havoc in that was the roughest time for Ogryns

[somber axle]

Ogryns are living life on hard mode

[south spindle]

Scab shooters with fucking 5s long bursts for no reason other than fuck you

[somber axle]

perpetually

[steep flower]

Funny...
I got True Survivor at that time... while playing as ogryn
says alot

[south spindle]

Yeah, that you probably spent 30 hours of your life pissing and shitting your way to exfil

[steep flower]

shield with attention seeker & charge was the hidden goat

[south spindle]

Nah, Ogryn has had points where he's been miles ahead of everyone else, just unless Ogryn is the de-facto most OP class, a lot of his players arent happy, its just how it is

[south spindle]

Aye, taunt pulling ranged blobs into melee was fucking mandatory a lot of the time back then

[steep flower]

and ppl still didn't do it...

not even now

[south spindle]

Nope, but people werent used to gaming the modifiers over the actual game mechanics

(Which is stupidly bad design to begin with, but hey ho, I've been very vocal about what I think of havoc)

[somber axle]

aren't they always unhappy because they need more weapons

and they really do need more weapons

though tbh I don't remember a time when they were OP

the game has only been out for like 3 years and I spent over a year away from the game though so I probably missed it

[south spindle]

Thats a part of it, yeah. They need a bigger arsenal and some of the ranged options need some touch-ups, but overall Ogryn is still the best team anchor because you just cant trust the piggies

[steep flower]

they don't have creativity in build making & making weapon builds that work
for example; ripper gun has 5 BUILD; 5!

[south spindle]

PBB had a period of time where it would allow you to stack damage blessings from DoTs and generate 800% TGH by doing so

It was cracked at one point

But yeah

It was changed

[somber axle]

that sounds very similar to a very brief window where Recons got a buff, were briefly one of the most broken OP weapons for Vet, and then the next day or so it was immediately nerfed back into the dirt LMFAO

[south spindle]

Also you know, the years of just being able to LMB1 mash your way through everything that gets close

[somber axle]

it took them a while to get Recons into a balanced spot

it's nice they finally got there

praying for Ogryns to get it next

[somber axle]

I've seen someone talking about Club and Ogryn impact shenanigans to just bully waves of Ragers shockingly easily

but idk the movesets/combos so I can't tell how simple/complex the combos they're using were

[steep flower]

Inb4 they use macros/skittari like a pepega

[south spindle]

It was just LMB mashing, there was no moveset or combo involved with the MKIII, just hit stuff until they die

Confident Strike and TGH on hit/multihit

Mistakes.

[somber axle]

I run modless for the most part other than occasionally turning on scoreboard to check my numbers on matches so I can focus on improving

I have never been more tempted to get mods than when I learned there's a mod that lets you see Exe Stance highlights through Pox Bomber tox gas clouds

it feels like it SHOULD DO THAT

by default

[south spindle]

Show Crit Chance, Creature Spawner and Scoreboard. The whole trinity (plus the requirements) 🙏

[somber axle]

but I don't want to fall down that rabbit hole and then end up with the game having a hundred mods and basically playing itself

[south spindle]

Just dont let it get to that point tbh

[somber axle]

just these sound fine though

I've seen people use mods to show HP bars over enemies and it doesn't feel like cheating or anything but it feels weird

[south spindle]

Yeah those dont change nothin about how the gameplay works, arguably neither does "Full Auto" tbh

[steep flower]

I did it for immersion ngl

[south spindle]

Yeah no, spidey sense, danger zone and HP bars get way to close to cheating for my liking

I dont care what people do with their own game, it doesnt effect mine, but I feel dirty using shit like that

[somber axle]

I've seen people mention their mods that are permanently highlighting all elite/special/boss enemies through walls/floors at all times and justifying it by going "well if the silent poxbursters and crushers exist I need this" and I shake my head

[steep flower]

Cause psycanium shows hp bars but outside they are gone

[steep flower]

Ye thats a pepega

[south spindle]

Yeah... there is a lot of mental gymnastics involved with such things

"You can't trust people, people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazi's"

[somber axle]

I think one of my fav mods I saw was removing the game interface entirely and placing a bodycam style filter over it with little text on the edges like "Mortis Squadron 18734b" and the name of the map like it's Rannick/Morrow watching a recording to judge our performance

and that was a really cool thing

but wow it sounds painful not knowing your ammo counter

or your blitz counter

or ability CD

can't even see stamina bar or dodge bar

sounds impossible for higher difficulty content

LMFAO

[somber axle]

personally I don't care how someone else wants to play the game for the most part as long as it isn't affecting me, but if they're aimbotting that's affecting me

and they should go away

I will think "geez they're barely even playing at this point" and move on with my day

[steep flower]

Spidey is good if you’re deaf; otherwise pepega
Danger sense is nice for learning but… i learned the radius of aoe’s normally so… yeah
Hp bars i understand; i use it to have more strategic outlook now, main reason in the past was immersion & the fact psykanium had them but the game didn’t (also i think it kinda due to me playing souls games & those have hp bars)

[somber axle]

the accessibility side of things is a good point

I do not think the majority of players using that are deaf

but for those that are it's invaluable

[south spindle]

Yeah noone is gonna question using something like that for a reason of impairment, but if you're not... ehhh, kinda feels lazy

[somber axle]

if I was deaf I'd use it too just to keep playing

[south spindle]

Souls games having HP bars I kinda get, I play a lot of Souls too, but I still dont run HP bars on DT just cos it feels ick, not gonna shit on you for doing so tho, you spent your money, you're entitled to do what you like with your own copy

[steep flower]

I hold such ppl in contempt
Best part is; majority of the time they are bad at the game… says alot…

[somber axle]

yeah it's definitely not in the same tier of cheaty or lazy vibes as those other mods so HP stuff is fine in my book

I'd just never use it because I like how the game appears the less "game" interface it has

so it looks more... real I guess? idk

immersive

[south spindle]

As far as actual cheaters (aimbot, walling, no-clip) I've seen exactly three cheaters since beta, so as a general rule, the community is pretty clean

[steep flower]

It allowed me to notice some things normally you could not like haymaker proc or how effective smth is in practical scenario

[somber axle]

there are people with limited time who don't want to spend their time practicing to get better and think that cheating to reach the finish line is fine because they're not interested in the journey, just the destination

they don't stick around long anywhere so it's not a big deal

they'll get bored, wonder why they're bored, blame the game and then disappear

[south spindle]

"Tourists"

[somber axle]

and no one will miss them

and the game will be better for them leaving

[somber axle]

yeah for a shooter the Darktide community is stellar on this

I've hardly ever seen anyone actually using stuff like that either

it's just extra funny when someone runs into the discord to cry about how it's not lazy

LOL

[south spindle]

People will throw themselves through any old hoop if it supports their outlook, people are weird creatures...

[somber axle]

People are stubborn

I know I'm a people

just not one of those people

Exe Stance already gives Vet wallhacks anyway so it just feels dumb to get a mod for it too LOL

and tbh the wallhacks kinda feel like cheating sometimes

I think I'm probably alone in this but if the highlight was line of sight based and highlights dropped when targets were behind walls/on different floors out of view I don't think it'd be a bad thing

but I also don't know that Fatshark would ever tackle the nightmare of making the highlights that conditional based on terrain

with this game engine

seeing a line of poxbursters suddenly appear behind a spawn door and someone moving toward it is funny though LOL

[slow spade]

honestly Danger Sense is the most reasonable because fuck barrels

[somber axle]

and seeing the pox hounds in expeditions glitch out, get stuck on terrain and all clip into each other halfway across the map in one big distant blob that will never do anything but make barking noises

[slow spade]

at least let me throw them again...

[somber axle]

is danger sense the one that makes FFXIV style AoE circles around problems

so you know the exact range it can hurt you?

[south spindle]

That mod is akin to playing Elden Ring with hitboxes turned on via Smithbox. @steep flower Am I wrong tho

[slow spade]

yes

[somber axle]

yeah I was just imagining how funny the start of Gloriana must look

EVERYTHING IS RED

HAVE FUN

[slow spade]

oh that one fucking sucks because even the pipes explode lol

[somber axle]

yeah LOL

[slow spade]

it only shows barrel AOEs IF they're triggered

[somber axle]

ah ok

[slow spade]

so you know if you need to run or not

[somber axle]

so it isn't warning you about how far you need to stay to avoid the AoE

[slow spade]

it does if the barrel is on fire

otherwise no

[somber axle]

that's fair

[south spindle]

Its a hitbox display mod.

[somber axle]

it would clutter maps a lot if it did show barrels too

[south spindle]

Unless there is an active hitbox, it wont show anything

Its literally playing a soulsgame with hitboxes turned on

Thats exactly what it is

And by any reasonable metric, that do kinda be cheating

[slow spade]

one funny quirk that happened is Dangersense just displays a ring of the AOE

so when the hitboxes bugged out one day. People knew because Dangersense was inaccurate :p

[quiet lark]

i think quite a few people macro tho, mostly psykers though from what ive seen 🙂‍↕️

[somber axle]

probably yeah but as far as macros go idk how to feel about it

I play a lot of MMORPGs and macros are common for higher level play

almost expected in most games

but Darktide's melee feels a lot like macroing a fighting game

idk

it's hard to figure out what to think about Darktide macros

so I just don't

I don't use it so problem not my problem

[slow spade]

To be fair, the average Darktide player needs all the help they can get

they lose vs poxwalkers and the latest event sends like 30 ragers at someone

[somber axle]

I almost miss Smitekers

[slow spade]

truly dark times for the average PUG player

[somber axle]

I don't

but it was funny seeing a Smiteker go down to a single poxwalker

LOL

I haven't seen them in forever

[slow spade]

yeah I saw 2 vets that NEVER turned around. They just heard the backstab audio and just accepted it lol

[somber axle]

probably just new and don't know what it means LOL

[slow spade]

"only" 5 deaths UwU

[slow spade]

they're level 30

I would have accepted that excuse at like Malice or something

[somber axle]

yeah and I've seen newer players in Aurics/Maelstroms too

only explanation for someone running at a poxburster

and then not shoving

like what are we doing my man

what was the plan

[slow spade]

Then they're just dogshit. Which is probably the most accurate answer

[somber axle]

it's insane to imagine someone had to level through the other difficulties first and never learned to shove poxbursters

[slow spade]

otherwise they went through 5 wins on Uprising -> Malice -> Heresy -> Damnation before they realized to push poxbursters and not get stabbed in the back

[somber axle]

"dang this enemy is OP they just do damage and you can't stop it :/" - their brains before learning the shove

[slow spade]

funnily enough, those 2 vets I mentioned. One of them fully died from just tanking poxbursters

[south spindle]

Still to this day, the rarest thing you'll see when spectating puglets is the use of the push

[slow spade]

indeed

[somber axle]

yeah

[slow sky]

I have strong feelings about macros

[slow spade]

proper blocking and pushing is anethema for some reason

[slow sky]

https://streamable.com/jdz4ot

WHAT THE FUCK ITS GONE

[slow spade]

lost to time :c

[slow sky]

It was a video of rinda dying in 4s due to a deimos macro

[quiet lark]

more common than u'd think

tbh

[slow spade]

I bet Twitch did some fuckery again lol

[slow spade]

oh no I'm fully aware. I just think instead of a "new" player. It's a dogshit player lol

the kind of player that's the reason why yellow paint is used in games now lol

[turbid ibex]

Or maybe they just dont know thats what the audio means

[uncut terrace]

if its not an accessibility issue its a crutch tool or/and a exploit cheat. Not the healthiest mod to use imo

[slow spade]

them not putting the pieces together would not be a surprise either

[tall torrent]

What

[tall torrent]

Where is this from

[turbid ibex]

@tall torrent

[uncut terrace]

i think at best its just an accessibility tool exploited by players looking for an edge which just tanks skill potential and player expression

[somber axle]

honestly yeah that's a solid take and similar to how I feel

[uncut terrace]

You can't be that mad at people because you just don't know how acessible it is for them, you can be mad at someone trying to exploit a co-op game lmfao

[somber axle]

yeah I don't get mad or anything

I'm not going to yell at anyone

it's not frustrating for me if someone's using a macro and tbh I probably won't notice

[uncut terrace]

litterally no reason to lmfao we know that some macro users are just corny mfs

[somber axle]

I'm sorta neutral on it

it's not on the same tier as aimbotting or wallhacks

[uncut terrace]

which people will use alongside those macros LOL

[somber axle]

I don't care about macros but for anyone that does go nuts I guess

[uncut terrace]

psykers in a nutshell

the true power gamers of darktide

[somber axle]

yeah but not for long because those types are modding the gameplay out of the game and it just means they're going to get bored and leave

[restive mountain]

You asking questions I don’t have the answer for

[uncut terrace]

sick pic

[somber axle]

yeah the Cadian Kasrkin looking helmet with that chestpiece looks fantastic

it's just too good

[tall torrent]

so how did u send it

[tame lodge]

@guy wpe

[slow sky]

Yup
The only macro I can be fine with a normal person using is lightspam cuz thats typically not the most efficient or used for fast semi auto guns to avoid hand pain which is like
Yeah sure fine

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/dope-gif-1211204957743195431

[slow sky]

But if youre macroing to do combos (while you are physically capable of doing them) or advanced inputs at a faster speed than a human can consistently execute
Fuck you

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[uncut terrace]

carpal tunnel my ass

[tidal fox]

what are the blessings for double barrelled shotgun with a weapon specialist build?

[tall torrent]

Manstopper + flechette/deathspitter

[uncut terrace]

out of some of these regiments what cosmetics would you like to see for more astra militarium representation?

[restive mountain]

There’s a regiment I saw yesterday

Were these dudes were wearing balaclavas

And capes

In like some snow biome

I wish I took a screen of it

[tall torrent]

Ur pc got fixed?

[restive mountain]

Lemaaao no

All my money went towards rent my guy

Adulting is expensive

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[restive mountain]

I’m probably not getting a new pc for another month or two

At the earliest

[uncut terrace]

ooh if you find it please share

Has there been any Mordian skins yet?

[restive mountain]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5mhaPc375R0?si=yGt7ZuQTgnODQQrI

These guys

[uncut terrace]

Theres some funny ones we've gotten for vet. Theyve got maybe some of the juciest cosmetic potential.

[restive mountain]

I don’t know the regiment from the pauldron tho

[uncut terrace]

this shit is cold

no pun intended

[restive mountain]

I’d kill for a set like this

[uncut terrace]

I am so surprised we have not gotten this one yet. Seems easy & would be a total cash out

[restive mountain]

In due time I guess

There’s still that blacked out first born set

[uncut terrace]

Give us mordians and infantry stub rifles lol

I think we've gotten Vostroyan and Valhallans

[restive mountain]

@tall torrent did they release the alternate version yet?

[uncut terrace]

so hard

[tall torrent]

alternate of what

[restive mountain]

The Vostryan

[restive mountain]

That shit is so tragic man

[tall torrent]

yea

[restive mountain]

Reskins of existing gear and just shit out

[unreal nova]

They reskinned the hat/chest... not the pants.

[uncut terrace]

I am not sure what happens with the art direction sometimes on these cosmetic conversions in darktide. Maybe the outsourcing of the work compromises design.

[restive mountain]

That’s what everyone has been assuming for a while

The outsourced stuff being made by people who vaugely know about 40k

Hence why we have the 2 separate classifications for cosmetics now

[somber axle]

Catachan but less Rambo and more like the design I saw in the new Dark Heresy Catachan Jungle Fighter character

something that takes inspiration from Rambo but still feels very fitting for the Imperial Guard

[uncut terrace]

Them, Tempestus Scions, and Elysian Drop Trooper I'd be surprised to get seeing as theyre the elite of the elite

We get like upto Cadians and Karsikans (spelling wrong) scaled veterans

[somber axle]

Tempestus Scions is wild because we have the helmet already and technically I think the chestpiece has been in the game files forever but they've never finished it

Elysian Drop Troopers we have already

I bought out the whole roster

every outfit for every class

[uncut terrace]

I thought i got one of those wrong

ty

[somber axle]

including all weapon skins and I believe the little weapon accessory trinkets too

they're my fav

there's only ONE part of the Elysian Drop Troopers I'm missing now

[uncut terrace]

The Tepestus Scions make a ton of sense bc their inquisition astra militarum guys but theyre so elite

[somber axle]

the special helmets they later released that includes a rebreather to the Elysian helmets

[uncut terrace]

Catachan are like 7 foot tall super soilders lol

I wish they added an extra 6' to max and min height on all characters

[somber axle]

other characters already feel like super soldiers next to mine

I play min height

[uncut terrace]

gimmie a 4'8 and a 7'8 for humans lol

9 foot hunched ogryns >

[somber axle]

ohgosh

4'8"??

SO TINY

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/short-king-wolverine-deadpool-and-wolverine-variant-logan-gif-6104887263690304533

[pseudo fiber]

From the bright minds on reddit

Havoc 40

But easier

[green willow]

crit headshot or stagger puncture bolt pistol

[tidal warren]

what the slop did i read

[tall torrent]

new hotfix
should also have new cosmetics

[spiral narwhal]

Please do

It doesn’t

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1498251666091413586/image.png?ex=69f07b19&is=69ef2999&hm=8c44cbcf5198a26d2533f54d55e8526fbad7ba5c944699f1208b6e0fab83bbc7&

One day I was bornnn

[tall torrent]

yea this one is really nice

[pseudo fiber]

Psyker though

I blame you varlets

[thorn lark]

Perfectionist and scourge fixed. Holy.

[pseudo fiber]

And a new class thingy

[turbid ibex]

At the age of four

[sudden flame]

I take smoke bombs over krak bomb everyday thank you

[willow prairie]

all of vet nade are good

[tepid otter]

whats the uhh

combat shotty blessing again

was it full-bore and man-stopper i forget

[tame lodge]

Fulb No Respite

Manstopper is for rail gun shenanigans

[turbid ibex]

Isnt no respite bugged rn

[tame lodge]

Probably

Idk

Lemme check

"There is currently a bug: The damage buff does not work because a target's stagger count is not passed along properly during attack execution."

Ok yeah

[tawny badger]

who else but fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/who-else-but-quagmire-gif-21256711

[tame lodge]

Fatshark knows what they are doing

So don't worry

[turbid ibex]

But do you know what youre doing

[tame lodge]

Yes

[tepid otter]

if no respite is bugged whats a good alternative

[turbid ibex]

Manstopper

[tawny badger]

double manstopper when

[tame lodge]

But do you have the CRIT for it?

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[obtuse crypt]

what perks for bolt pistol?

i run flak and maniac atm

[tawny badger]

punct-
oh perks
uh

I think you can switch maniac for carapace

or do elites/carapace, at least that works for me

[turbid ibex]

Why would you put carapace on bistol

[tawny badger]

to shoot crushers in the face, why do you think

[turbid ibex]

Why are you shooting crushers with bistol

[tawny badger]

To kill them? What's the issue

[midnight totem]

I don't always use the shredder autopistol, but on occasion it is hilarious

[unreal nova]

This is fine tbh.

[willow prairie]

there exactly 1 ranged weapon in the game that good at killing crusher and their name doesn't start with bolt or plasma

[tame lodge]

Vigilant autogun

Preach brother

Preach

🗣️

[thorn lark]

Helbolt Pistol

[unreal nova]

But bolter magdump...

[round sinew]

Has the falchion made the regular power sword obsolete?

I really hope it hasn't because I love me my power sword and it looks badass

[tame lodge]

Nope

In fact

Falchion is mediocre

[round sinew]

How so?

[tame lodge]

Lacking proper stagger
Damage
Blessings

It's only worth using powered

Takes longer to cool down if overheat

[round sinew]

Yeah, but you can keep it powered almost indefinitely with cranial grounding, or so I've heard
With regular power sword, even with power cycler you have to juggle activations with strikes and it makes you really feel the weapon's poor dodge stats

[tame lodge]

Indefinitely? No no

Cranial grounding is good

But not THAT good

[round sinew]

Damn aight

idk man I'm torn on whether to stay with power sword mega cleave or switch to the catachan to solo monstrosities by dark souls parrying everything

[tame lodge]

Falchion greatest sin is the horrible blessing pool

https://tenor.com/view/mus8029-dj-khaled-gif-3555378993500057042

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-spider-man-crap-j-jonah-jameson-jameson-gif-26079159

[obtuse crypt]

whats better to put on my curios as perks stam regen or toughness regen?

[hollow ibex]

Toughness regen is very bad

It’s only a modifier on passive coherency toughness regen

Stam regen is good

[obtuse crypt]

kk

[turbid ibex]

what higui said, power falchion is just lacking in a lot of areas while power sword is still one of the best melees in the game

there isnt much of a reason to use falchion rn over any other melee available tbh

[unreal nova]

Except if sick of everything else somehow.

[fading canopy]

well power sword is also somewhat skill intensive compared to a few other meta options no ?

[tough nova]

Power sword...skill?

[unreal nova]

Special, pushatk, light, light.

Skill?

[fading canopy]

“somewhat” as in you don’t have the free ass mobility of a shiv scum that lets you literally never be in a bad position

it’s not much but it’s SOMETHING

[hollow ibex]

it requires good melee fundamentals yeah

if you screw up, you can't just dodge your way out of it lol

[fading canopy]

shiv scums could never

[forest lagoon]

I don't think I've ever played a mission with more fucking poxbursters spawning in my life

Standard heresy mission spawned nearly a hundred pox bursters

[unreal nova]

Fatshark.

Welcome to boomer trains.

[turbid ibex]

yeah power sword punishes bad melee fundamentals a lot

[fading canopy]

no but apparently it’s lowskill because the combo is literally 2 buttons

[turbid ibex]

but if you have good fundamentals you can wreck everything

[fading canopy]

idk I think that disgusting mobility makes it decently respectable in terms of not being fully free win

[turbid ibex]

yeah the mobility and powe cycler tax are the only things holding it back really

otherwise path would need to make a tier -1 exclusively for it lol

[fading canopy]

I do realise it’s offensively stupid broken

hordes, elites, bosses

just kills everything

but like

i feel like the drawbacks are significant enough that it’s not just a zero skill option like ds is on a class with insane horse clear secondaries

[hollow ibex]

yeah i think PS is a weapon that actually takes some decent skill to work with

[arctic ridge]

Helbore --

Weight of Fire vs Hot Shot

Am trouble deciding which to pair to Surgical, going forward.

[dry cloak]

mark dependet

[forest lagoon]

Ok, apparently hordes of 10+ crushers spawn in heresy now

[next acorn]

[dry cloak]

event?

if yes then its normal

[fading canopy]

they should spawn more crushers

and rotten should be default

[gentle lake]

Push

(And try not to die immediately)

[somber axle]

For the IV and IIIa Weight of Fire imo
For the V you can do Hot Shot without too much trouble

[gentle lake]

Conga line bursters are the worst

[somber axle]

The V also feels good with Weight of Fire so it is more whether you value the speed or the cleave more

The IV is way too slow to go without Weight of Fire ever

[forest lagoon]

heh

I got grabbed point blank by a mutant

[somber axle]

IIIa I could maybe see someone crazy leaning into Hot Shot instead but even that feels too slow without Weight of Fire imo

[forest lagoon]

then got dive bombed by 5 bursters lol

my body wasn't even there, I just disappeared entirely

[gentle lake]

[steep flower]

For III use falter

[gentle lake]

Mutants are basically disabler enemies ngl

[somber axle]

I could swear myself and another Darktide user tested Falter a long time ago (pre-Havoc) and discovered Falter literally had no effect on the Helbores

Did they change it

[arctic ridge]

iirc, V being the fastest charge time?

[steep flower]

Boi was doing it wrong then
It achieves important stagger breakpoints

[somber axle]

Like it was just straight up bugged

[somber axle]

Yes

[somber axle]

It definitely didn't before LOL

The blessing used to be actually bugged and didn't improve stagger

[steep flower]

Maybe it was bugged
Dosen’t matter; use falter now on III

[somber axle]

If they fixed it sure but then what are you staggering with Falter that you can't without on a Helbore

[steep flower]

There is a spreadsheet for that, here on discord… just need to find it

[somber axle]

No worries I appreciate the info

I'm running on mostly stuff I've played with recently and refencing guides to catch up from my break but I have a lot of outdated knowledge

The game has changed SO much in a year

[arctic ridge]

Tac Axe the recommended pairing for Helbore's talent tree? From what I've read.

[somber axle]

Yeah it's a very good melee sidearm

Needs a lot less investment vs the powerhouse options Vet has for melee

Rashad and Power Sword need more talent points that Helbore sniper builds can't afford

[arctic ridge]

How to utilize it, different than Power Sword's 2 buttons & its staple stamina-drain combo?

[somber axle]

plus you're MMF

[south spindle]

Anything with high mobility is a good choice. One low mobility weapon, one high mobility weapon. Can't go wrong

[somber axle]

Stim also has a really good point

low mobility range and low mobility melee is painful

Tac Axe has fantastic mobility

[steep flower]

Here

[south spindle]

TacAxe/Shovel is what I would pick personally (majorly bias though, Shovel probably isnt a good idea)

[somber axle]

from the pinned guide

[turbid ibex]

Which mark is that

[somber axle]

oh wait I didn't check whoops

wrong mark sorry

[turbid ibex]

Cause thats not the mk7 combo

[somber axle]

hold on

yeah that was for Mk II

don't use Mk II

use Mk VII

here's the Tac Axe Mk VII combo

[arctic ridge]

Will be totally honest -- since starting a few months ago, I still can't figure out the melee inputs system beyond, PS's hold right-click + left click.

[quiet lark]

this is a push attack (abbreviated in the screenshots and in the pinned guide as PA)

[south spindle]

Go in the psykhanium and practice. Seriously.

It might seem simple, but if you wanna learn a weapon, thats how to do it

[somber axle]

ok yeah I can definitely see why Falter is a good pick for the IIIa now

[somber axle]

Light attack is just clicking, Heavy is click and hold then release, push attack is block with right click into left click attack

[arctic ridge]

I do -- but still can't even execute the directional mouse / keyboard inputs that the guide has illustrated.

whatever the arrows are.

[turbid ibex]

Directional inputs?

[thorn lark]

there is none

[turbid ibex]

Thats just the direction of the swings

[somber axle]

there are no directional inputs

[arctic ridge]

. . . Huh.

[somber axle]

that's just telling you to do the next action

[arctic ridge]

Well. THat explains a lot.

[thorn lark]

[south spindle]

[steep flower]

😂

[somber axle]

as an April Fools joke he could change the arrows into fighting game style directional inputs to confuse people LMFAO

[south spindle]

Poor dude has been swinging his mouse around like a fucking wii controller for however many hours

[steep flower]

You women are evil beings

[somber axle]

it's ok we're past April Fools

[obtuse crypt]

i must say i have been holding on my chainsword all the time but since u guys recommended powersword, i am suddenly much better lol

[somber axle]

maybe next year

[south spindle]

Real tbh, thats fucking cruel and unusual

[obtuse crypt]

before maulers were my biggest fear now i just 1 or 2 shot them lol

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-rain-dragon-ball-z-gif-15092463

[somber axle]

yeah Power Sword is the KING of Vet melee

[arctic ridge]

You have no idea in the psyk.

[unreal nova]

WOT.

[arctic ridge]

Now, to begin hours with the tac axe + helbore MF tree.

[south spindle]

Read what she put before judging Willy too harshly

[somber axle]

it would be a really, really funny April Fools joke

LOL

but also probably way too much work

[unreal nova]

It's April Fool's thing.

Everyone and their dog knows to never trust anything on that day.

[late sky]

I’m building Vet, I was gonna go with Power Falchion because it’s cool, but it sounds like the Power Sword is cool and good

[somber axle]

if I were to do it I'd just do it for stuff like Power Falchion

and then you get the occasional Power Falchion Vet spinning in place in a match trying to do directionals

LOL

[unreal nova]

Unless it's literally an emergency call.

[turbid ibex]

Power sword is one of the best melees in the game yeah

Meanwhile falchion is uhhhh

[south spindle]

Not to trust people You shouldn't be eyeing inanimate objects with suspicion on that day, thats deranged

[turbid ibex]

It exists

Allegedly

[south spindle]

Need to go back and try that again

[somber axle]

Power Sword is Vet's strongest weapon with block cancel tech to speed up attack time after special charging the blade and does everything from clearing hordes lightning fast to instagibbing elites including a fun 2-3 tap on Crushers and has FANTASTIC boss damage but it struggles with mobility

[faint beacon]

I mean I literally can’t blame you when Fatshark purposely keeps talents and descriptions vague to make it harder to min max

Which in turn makes it harder to learn the game

[somber axle]

the combos are also satisfying because it's not all just lights for horde and heavies for single target like Rashad (even if it's mostly just push attack for single target I guess)

[arctic ridge]

I've heard of the enhanced descriptions mod, though I also heard it can crash.

[turbid ibex]

It also has some misleading descriptions

[somber axle]

Falchion is very mid tier and not competing with Power Sword but it can be pretty fun sometimes

[turbid ibex]

Its better to just check one of Kuli's guides

[faint beacon]

I’ll be honest that’s just Darktide

[somber axle]

Is it effective? Not really. But it's kinda fun

[faint beacon]

Darktide explodes from everything

[somber axle]

But I like juggling meters

[faint beacon]

Why I just said fuck it and modded it

[hollow ibex]

falch's decent as a ranged build sidearm

[steep flower]

I like pain

[arctic ridge]

Like last night for me, when havoc squad's boss-thumping zealot server DC's at an elevator, & we remaining three soon right after encounter a captain, a monstrosity, & then a triggered daemonhost from a mutant throw.

[steep flower]

lemme have it

(Otherwise i would not play havocs)

[late sky]

Slow, charge up, single target damage, sounds like home lol. I was playing thunder hammer zealot before this

Except now I have better ranged damage

[somber axle]

You'll probably really love the Power Sword then because there's more skill expression in it than a lot of other melee options just because of the block cancel tech alone

As a warning it's really slow for attack speed so Trench Fighter Drill and/or Weapon Specialist is recommended

At least one, ideally both, but I've seen a few people go Focus Target with just Trench Fighter Drill and make it work fine

I don't use it often because it feels SO STRONG and I like being under more pressure/stress

and the game feels so much easier with Power Sword

it's just that good

but it's still a fun weapon

Oh also just in case the block cancel tech is tapping block after you use weapon special before you begin your melee combo

It shortens the animation between charging the blade and your first melee strike

Practice it a bit in the Psykanium first but after playing with it a bit you will probably get it down to muscle memory

[late sky]

All great info, I’ve built up Mk X Laspistol for snappy special kills. I like the revolver but it doesn’t have much sustain fire

[somber axle]

Try Revolver with Weapon Specialist keystone and Always Prepared subnode

Melee kills will reload the Revolver for you on swap

[obtuse crypt]

try psword with boltpistol lol im absolutly shredding everything haha

[somber axle]

It works very well with Executioner's Stance because Power Sword has the charged blade cancel when you are stunned

So any melee hit you take can cancel the charged blade

Exe Stance makes you immune to that

[late sky]

Holy throne

[somber axle]

You just end up swapping to ranged every so often to shoot something before rolling back into melee

I would also really recommend you try Weapon Specialist Always Prepared with Double Barrel Shotgun Manstopper/Lacerate

[obtuse crypt]

so if i read it out right here, if i run psword i should go weapon spec instead of focus target?

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist feeds the Shotgun 100% crit chance and reloads it

So you just melee, shoot, melee, shoot

And never reload while clearing hordes and wiping out everything

It's very fun

[somber axle]

Yes because the attack speed, dodge speed and dodge distance increases from Weapon Specialist offset a lot of the mobility troubles Power Sword has

[obtuse crypt]

just weapon specialist or any of the sub nodes aswell?

[somber axle]

But Focus Target can also work if you are very confident in positioning, melee fundamentals and are very comfortable with the Power Sword moveset/mobility

[somber axle]

Depends on your ranged

[obtuse crypt]

boltpistol

[somber axle]

I'd take Always Prepared for Revolver as an example but not for Plasma

Yes take Always Prepared for Boltpistol too

The others don't matter iirc? But check with the other Vets about that too

I never take the other Weapon Specialist subnodes

[somber axle]

I should also clarify that Always Prepared reloads 10% of the clip rounded up so for Revolver that is always 1 shot reloaded on swap

It's not a full reload but if you melee, swap, melee, swap, you can end up with a full Revolver without ever reloading

[late sky]

That’s a cool strat

[forest lagoon]

Is anyone else getting this weird bug where you just can't move at all?

you kinda glitch around and can't control a single input

[quiet lark]

both are fine but ps feels noticeably better with ws

[willow prairie]

are you using outdated version of guaranteed weapon swap

[late sky]

Sometimes I bug out with movement keys when wifi’s bad. Have to put the game down for a bit when that happens, ranged is functional but melee is pain. Thankfully it doesn’t happen often

[feral stratus]

Usually when i get rubberbanding in the game (usually on first start) i restart the game and sometimes it fixes itself

But it's still annoying how often it happens

[obtuse crypt]

can someone tell me what strengh means exactly?

like the blessing slaughterer give me 8% strength is that just raw dmg?

[strange crow]

Strength increases damage, stagger, and cleave

[late sky]

Fatshark stats are like Tarot cards lol

[obtuse crypt]

yeah they dont like explaining things

[toxic reef]

pinned guide explains a lot of basics if you're ever interested in reading up on things

[obtuse crypt]

also is agile engagement a must have talent?

i feel like i rarely get anything out of it

[midnight totem]

Its not exactly a must have

But it is very strong

[turbid ibex]

Its not as high priority as skirmisher and exploit weakness but still very good unless your ranged has really slow swap speed