veteran-class

[olive halo]

darktide cooking fr

tbh its not entirely just about that but the gun is just so unbelievably slow at everything it does: it swaps slow, moves slow, shoots slow and the payoff isn't all that either

like any of the other guns handle the same targets faster (provided its not armored), and if its armored it loses to the bolter, it's just a jack of all trades master of none

[hollow ibex]

You should’ve seen the old helbore

Weakest pullout game in Atoma

Three business days to draw

[olive halo]

it used to be worse?

I didn't think that was possible

[hollow ibex]

yeah it was literally slow motion

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-tucker-family-guy-family-guy-meme-son-gif-gif-11802253120531847241

[somber axle]

One Motion is mandatory for it imo. You cannot afford to take Longshot no matter how much the extra damage looks attractive (and tbh you don't need Longshot with Exe Stance and Marksman's Focus juicing it so hard). More than any other weapon the Helbore needs someone to talent their tree to make up for their downsides imo. The sniper build from pins is a good example. But if you are experimenting with talent trees and less familiar with the weapon you will feel like you are playing in slow-mo. But inarguably it is better than Bolter. I'm not joking. Boltgun struggles on breakpoints and needs Focus Target/Redirect Fire to juice it into the right damage range with Pinning Fire just to get consistent one taps on human sized elite headshots. Helbore doesn't need Focus Target/Redirect Fire and meshes well with Marksman's Focus which Boltgun couldn't dream of getting good value from. Unironically the Helbore Mk IV is the hardest hitting weapon per shot of the entire Vet arsenal and it isn't close between it and the Boltgun at all

Not to mention infinite ammo economy on the Helbore vs being an ammo vacuum on the Boltgun if you even attempt to use it with any regularity

Helbore is a top tier that has a lot of caveats

Boltgun is a mid tier that has a lot of caveats

It is just that your preferred playstyle atm works better with Boltgun

You can 2-3 shot a Crusher on the Helbore Mk IV

For free

[hollow ibex]

Helbore goes hard but yeah it’s not easy to play

[somber axle]

And with a little more juice it can 1 tap Crushers too

Boltgun isn't even in the same league as Helbore for Carapace hunting

[tawny badger]

funny thing about the helbore is that the revolver is right there

[hollow ibex]

Tbf revolver is way more ammo hungry and far less effective vs bosses

[somber axle]

You trade THE best ammo efficiency for adaptability and ease of use

[tawny badger]

best ammo efficiency cuz you'll never use it

[hearty panther]

i dont actually use the revolver i just spin it and do tricks and aura farm

[thorn lark]

I don't think there's a league outside helbore. Unless you like vacuum ammo

[thorn lark]

I don't use one motion with helbore. It's not that bad.

[hearty panther]

Wish they'd delete it tbh

Or just do something else with the weapon swap speed idea, like make it a consumable that gives you an instance of INSTANT swap speed

cause 50% is honestly not enough to care and they have also reduced the draw speed of all the slow weapons so one motion is even less valuable than when it was introduced

[somber axle]

That's fair. You're definitely better with it than me. I need the quicker swaps for quickplay pugs. I play too aggressive so I have to have the ability to melee at a moment's notice

Plus there's not really a better option anyway

[obtuse crypt]

IS OPENING SALVO WORTH SPENDING A TALENT POINT FORß

sry caps

[hearty panther]

I just cannot in my brain reconcile dedicating one entire talent point to a talent that is functional for 200 whole milliseconds at a time.

[somber axle]

Covering Fire is so not worth taking

And Longshot is nice but not needed either

[somber axle]

No unless you want to goof off

It's a bad talent and useless 99% of the time. The 1% of the time is meme builds

[tribal tangle]

is the power falchion still mediocre?

[obtuse crypt]

why not

[somber axle]

Unnecessary. Other classes have the damage resist and toughness replenishment to survive. They don't need the covering fire

[obtuse crypt]

what else shall i get then longshot or one motiom

[sharp epoch]

depends what gun

[faint beacon]

Covering fire is generally worthless

Till they finally change it to give you the buff also but that’s never happening

[obtuse crypt]

lasgun

[faint beacon]

Not worth imo

Reverse Fall Off

Aka does more further range

[obtuse crypt]

also is withering fire worth it on lasgun?

[faint beacon]

Bait Talent

Another not worth it

50% ranged cleave isn’t enough for a lot of weapons

Longshot is good on a handful of weapons but one I can say is Vigilants solely cause they have normal fall off and they want to be medium to far range

[sharp epoch]

i would just run one motion

[obtuse crypt]

serrated blade worth it?

[faint beacon]

Depends on the melee and if there’s already another veteran running Field improv

[hybrid plover]

Ya

[somber axle]

Dependent on weapon. Recon Mk XII with Dum Dum and Deathspitter can get value with it because it has 3 cleave base. Helbores can use it too and get even better value if you drop Weight of Fire for Hotshot (but I would only recommend that on the Mk V fastest firing variant). Most other guns no

[obtuse crypt]

chainsword and i usually dont get much coruption anyways since i either die or dont die lol

[sharp epoch]

It's pretty meh, I'd run field improv if your the only veteran

[hybrid plover]

Serrated blade is a situational talent tbh

Not really worth on a lot of weapons

[obtuse crypt]

fire team or survivalist?

[hybrid plover]

But the weapons that are worth, they're really worth

[sharp epoch]

survivalist 90% of the time

[hybrid plover]

You mostly take surv until you have another vet with surv on the team

Since auras can't stack

Surv is class definingly strong

[obtuse crypt]

ok next step, voice of command or exe stance

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance

[sharp epoch]

exe stance

[obtuse crypt]

wh<

why

[sharp epoch]

VoC literally gets nerfed every patch its pretty bad now, while exe stance lasts basically forever if you can keep chaining kills

Basically exe stance has more consistent toughness regeneration

[obtuse crypt]

and which of the 3 split off ones?

marked ogrys and bosses , marked ranged units or team buff

[sharp epoch]

I normally just take the ogryn one, but if youre running a normal lasgun just take ranged units

also you can take team buff with both those but I dont really take that

[tame lodge]

Yeah

The 10% damage

In paper

Was a 3% increase in practicality

But don't worry

Fatshark knows what they are doing

And you should be happy about the 3% increase

[obtuse crypt]

lock and loaded worth it on lasgun?

i mean u already have like hundred or 200 shots so idk

[somber axle]

No unless you like goofing off

[obtuse crypt]

what u mean by goofing off

[somber axle]

For the Recon Mk XIV you can get a 225 clip size which has funny synergy with Opening Salvo but both are generally bad talents and this is exclusively for a clown set up maximizing crit chance

The first 45 shots get the 10% crit I think?

Which is a LOT of leeway when you are playing maximum clown

And by max clown I mean Deadshot and Reciprocity too

[obtuse crypt]

is shocktrooper worth taking?

[somber axle]

You can have 75% crit chance on the weapon with Recip max stacks and Deadshot rolling

Shock Trooper is very worth for lasguns but arguably something you can ignore for something like the Mk IIb iLas

Infantry Lasguns for ammo buffs and they already had good ammo economy

[obtuse crypt]

i was planning to use the medium fire rate infantery lasgun

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper is basically mandatory for Recons to sustain them through fights

Turns Helbore into a infinite ammo gun

[obtuse crypt]

yeah on my recon build i have it

but i wasnt sure for this infantery lasgun build

[somber axle]

It's fine to pick up

I think more than saving ammo it is nice for giving you more shots before reloading

[obtuse crypt]

true

[somber axle]

So you have more uptime on fighting and less time waiting to fight

[obtuse crypt]

also i got +5% crit and +20% dmg to flak on it as perks is that ok?

blessing are deadly accurate and headhunter

[sharp epoch]

infantry lasgun has basically infinite ammo on non havoc 😂

[somber axle]

For the iLas? I wouldn't use the crit perk on it. Probably swap that with Maniac. It isn't bad but you will get more value out of Flak/Maniac to cover more bases. But like iLas already has fantastic maniac ADM anyway so

[obtuse crypt]

ahh ok i see

[somber axle]

It isn't a big deal

[sharp epoch]

dont even run shocktrooper tbh

[obtuse crypt]

are the blessing ok?

[somber axle]

You could keep the crit chance or go Unyielding (it also has fantastic Unyielding ADM iirc)

Yeah honestly you could get away with ignoring Shock Trooper if you wanted

Save the points for elsewhere

It's just nice for less reload time

And less concern about ammo

But it already has almost zero concern about ammo

[obtuse crypt]

are headhunter and deadly accurate good?

the blessing on the gun itself

[somber axle]

Yes and an alternative is Headhunter/Ghost

Ghost will let you stand out in danger and take out Gunner/Reaper lines safely

DA is good too but I find you don't really need the extra damage most times

And Ghost giving you that survivability lets you play a lot more aggressive

When you can play more aggressive you can take the pressure off your team

Anything shooting at you isn't shooting at the poor Ogryn

And anything shooting at you with Ghost isn't ever hitting you

HH/DA ends up making you play more defensively

Up to you on playstyle

[obtuse crypt]

i mean u are kinda right with the crit as perk tbh since i got headhunter i have so much crit anyways

the 5% arent gonna shit

[somber axle]

Getting more damage is better generally

The only weapon I always take crit chance as a perk is Recon because I don't take Headhunter on it and it is sustaining entirely on Vet base crit and Reciprocity

Dum Dum/Infernus or Dum Dum/Deathspitter depending on variant

[obtuse crypt]

would infernus make sense on medium fire rate lasgun

[somber axle]

No

Infernus isn't worth on others

Recons get a crit string of 2

So every crit proc is 2 crits

You stack it faster/easier/consistently on Recon despite the lower crit compared to Helbore/iLas/Laspistol

[obtuse crypt]

ok

[somber axle]

The other weapons have better blessings

[obtuse crypt]

so i removed the 5% crit what should i take instead

i already got 20% flak dmg

[somber axle]

Maniac or Unyielding imo

I'd do Unyielding for better boss/Reaper/Bulwark

[obtuse crypt]

for bosses i have krak so i would prob take maniac

[somber axle]

That's also fair

Ragertide is here

Maniac will serve you better

[obtuse crypt]

ok now to my meele

i got the chainsword

[somber axle]

Can opener

No no

[obtuse crypt]

what blessing would u recomend

[somber axle]

Chainsword is fun but you need something to pry open Crushers

[obtuse crypt]

i have shred and wrath

chainsword is non negotionable i just love chainswords

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun and Chainsword is asking for trouble as a combo. Krak alleviates it a bit but you will rely a lot more on the team to deal with Crushers whenever you are out of Krak

Maybe take Grenadier over Shock Trooper then

The extra krak will help

[tall torrent]

not worth 3 points

[somber axle]

Make sure to also have Demo Stockpile and Demo Team

[hollow ibex]

suffering is non-negotiable then

[somber axle]

I also love suffering so I get it

I just want to warn them

This is a disclaimer for "Nurgle will hurt me and there is no safe word"

If you are ok with that go ahead

[obtuse crypt]

so wrath and shred are ok?

as blessings

😄

[somber axle]

Yeah

[obtuse crypt]

and for perks?

i got 5% crit

[somber axle]

Flak/Maniac

[obtuse crypt]

and flak 20%

[somber axle]

I know I sound like a broken record

But most of the important threats you need to deal with will be Flak Maniac other than the terror of Crusher squads bringing in Carapace

[obtuse crypt]

would bloodletter be good? instead of wrath or shred?

as blessing

[somber axle]

Only if you want to meme and use weapon special

I generally don't

Leaves you too vulnerable

You are stuck in the animation grinding someone

No blocking or dodging and if you do either it cancels the damage

And right now with Ragertide it is asking for death to weapon special into a Rager swarm

[obtuse crypt]

grenade tinkerer or grenadier?

[somber axle]

Tinkerer for Havoc

[obtuse crypt]

back to talents

[tall torrent]

which grenade

[obtuse crypt]

krank

krak

[somber axle]

Grenadier if not since you are Krak with Infantry Lasgun/Chainsword

[tall torrent]

it's pretty standard for XIIIg

[somber axle]

You will need the extra Krak for not having any other options for Crushers imo

[tall torrent]

with that said, chainsword is just

pretty limiting in terms of build variety because it lacks in a lot of ways that can't easily be compensated for

[obtuse crypt]

shall i take demo stockpile or the one gives u a nade on elite kill?

[somber axle]

I pray everyday they let it become a threat to Carapace

[tall torrent]

both

both are non-negotiable

[somber axle]

[obtuse crypt]

both?

[somber axle]

You definitely want both

[obtuse crypt]

i dont even throw that many nades

i always foeget

[hearty panther]

ur gonna learn

[somber axle]

Demo Team and Demo Stockpile are mandatory for feeding you Krak

Your Infantry Lasgun and Chainsword are not going to do you any favours against the Crusher pain train

[hearty panther]

enemy? grenade
enemies? grenade
screaming enemies? grenade
dead screaming enemies? grenade
no enemies? grenade

[obtuse crypt]

so shocktrooper u said i dont really need right

[somber axle]

Nope

You can drop that

[obtuse crypt]

i mean lasguns have like 1000 shots anyways

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun is fine without

[tall torrent]

it's good
it's just usually not "worth 3 points" good

[tawny badger]

throwing krak grenades at poxwalkers

[obtuse crypt]

but i take fully loaded right?

25% more ammo

[somber axle]

I fear for him when he gets into the current event LOL

[tall torrent]

ofc not

[somber axle]

I hope he is confident using Chainsword into packs of Ragers consistently

[tall torrent]

fully loaded is a bad tax node across almost every vet build ever

there're only 2 vet guns that care abt fully loaded (boltgun, revolver)

[obtuse crypt]

soi also dont take the 10% toughness dmg reduction?

[tall torrent]

what even is ur build tree atm

[obtuse crypt]

thats what we all have been working out together here

what about precion strikes?

[somber axle]

Good

Always take

[tall torrent]

just build from here

[obtuse crypt]

but guys for real? no 25% more ammo?

[tall torrent]

havoc for example

[obtuse crypt]

and no shocktrooper

[somber axle]

Yeah that's the baseline to start from and will be solid for the weapons you want but take Krak

[obtuse crypt]

im scared to run out of lasers

[somber axle]

Don't worry you'll be ok

[tall torrent]

vet is not the ranged class anyway

[obtuse crypt]

born leader worth it?

[tall torrent]

very case specific

if u don't play exe stance, no

if u play stance, maybe (usually no)

[obtuse crypt]

i do have exe stance

[tall torrent]

just use this lol

[obtuse crypt]

so i take demolition team and ogryn dmg to get to +25 tougness?

[tall torrent]

demo team + tac awareness + 25 toughness + ogryn/monster dmg

[obtuse crypt]

ah sry i mean tactical awarness

agile engament really worth it

as a noob like me

[tall torrent]

are u very new to this game

[obtuse crypt]

actually no

but i havent played it for like 5 years

[tall torrent]

this game only been out for like 3yrs

[tawny badger]

agile engagement is pretty ok I feel, but that's if- and only if- you're frequently swapping weapons

[sharp epoch]

😔

[tawny badger]

like if you're running knife + double barrel shotgun or somethin

[sharp epoch]

agile engagement bestest talent

[obtuse crypt]

see i got -2 years experience

so greande tinkerer was worth it right?

75% more dmg on krak

[tall torrent]

it's required for krak in havoc

[hollow ibex]

tbf you should be doing this all the time anyway

[turbid ibex]

For high havocs yes

For auric and stuff no

[obtuse crypt]

is the heavy las pistol good?

[willow prairie]

very

[obtuse crypt]

which variant

the slow or faster one

and what would be the reason to pick it instead of lasgun which does more dmg

[sharp epoch]

i think the laspistols have more dps weirdly enough

[hollow ibex]

yeah laspis is generally still a better ilas lol

[toxic reef]

idk what's best on vet, but I run fast on psyker

should try it with exec stance

[hollow ibex]

ryken's 100% crit build is funny

[tall torrent]

Mk2 yes
Mk10 no

[obtuse crypt]

is the boltgun good?

[pseudo fiber]

very

[obtuse crypt]

also what lasgun u guys prefer

fast medium or slow shooting on

one

[narrow frost]

slowest

[obtuse crypt]

what boltgun variant

mk3

or mk 2b

and what blessing would u put on it

[somber axle]

There's a guide in pins for recommended perks/blessings

Also gives info on the differences between variants

Use the sidebar to navigate quicker to the weapons of your choice

[obtuse crypt]

would the 25% ammo talent be useful for boltgun?

[narrow frost]

do you use ammo?

if so then yes

way more playstyle dependent then weapon

[obtuse crypt]

and agile engagement is prob not really good on boltgun right?

since u wont swap that often and save the boltgun for lelites?

[turbid ibex]

Not really

Like for revolver and bolter its def way more important

[somber axle]

You want One Motion for Boltgun but Agile Engagement is rough even with One Motion. Agile isn't worth either way for Boltgun imo

[obtuse crypt]

got one motion

still boltgun feels like a pro weapon

hard use

but if u can use it its insane

[somber axle]

Good damage buff but the gun fights you for uptime

[obtuse crypt]

dunno if i am ready for it

[unreal nova]

Bistol works with it, only bolt gun that does.

[turbid ibex]

I mean

We only got two bolt weapons lol

[obtuse crypt]

lock and loaded good for boltgun

[unreal nova]

True. XD

[obtuse crypt]

i mean 19 instead of 15 rounds sounds decent to me

[somber axle]

Give Ogryn heavy bolter

[turbid ibex]

You shouldnt really be investing down that far to get the mag increase anyway

[somber axle]

Left tree isn't good for Boltgun beyond Precision and Full Ammo

Stam regen delay node is eh

Better spent elsewhere imo

Only good if you HAVE to go to Shock Trooper and you don't on Boltgun

[obtuse crypt]

i would repalce grenadier and tinkerer for it bc i have good armor dmg with the bolter already and i play on heretic

so the krak will one shot ogrys and everything anyways

[turbid ibex]

Tinkerer is not needed for kraks outside of high havocs

[somber axle]

You can drop Tinkerer for Heresy

[turbid ibex]

What does your tree look like

[somber axle]

Idk your tree but Bigger They Are subnode under Exe Stance is worth for boltgun

If you don't have it already

Ogryns highlight + 9 sec duration helps Boltgun more than other weapons

[obtuse crypt]

yeah i got that

[obtuse crypt]

how can i show

[somber axle]

Games lantern build editor

[turbid ibex]

Just take a screenshot lol

[somber axle]

Then screenshot or link

Or just screenshot in game

[obtuse crypt]

thats for boltgun + chainsword

[turbid ibex]

Keystoneless vet in the big 26 🥀

[somber axle]

Looks good so far but I would say both 25 toughness is not needed. Just one is enough

Get Focus Target/Redirect Fire imo

[obtuse crypt]

oh trust me it is

😄

[unreal nova]

Hey, I brought a Recon magdump vet into those before.

[obtuse crypt]

tbh the keytones look kinda bad

[turbid ibex]

Keystoneless vet in the big 26 🥀

[somber axle]

I would also recommend against Lock n Load or 10% TDR node

[obtuse crypt]

too much micro managing for a noob like me

[turbid ibex]

Take focus target

Its the best one for bolter

[obtuse crypt]

what else to take with th 2 points

[unreal nova]

You only want both if you are going to melee alot and are lagging to heck.

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist is awkward for Boltgun and Marksman's Focus is bad for Boltgun. Focus Target is the best choice imo if you consistently ping

[somber axle]

That's fair

[obtuse crypt]

since i have the boltgun im gonna have to meele a lot tho

ammo is bad on boltgun

[turbid ibex]

1 point to get focus target, 1 point to get longshot, replace the right side +25 toughness with volley adept for reload speed

[somber axle]

You'll end up needing extra shots per elite without Focus Target/Redirect Fire on higher difficulties

[turbid ibex]

If you bring tac axe you could replace attack speed instead

[somber axle]

Breakpoints are tricky to meet on Boltgun as is

[obtuse crypt]

nah chiansword is non negotionable

😄

i love chianswords

[unreal nova]

Problem is, it's REALLY bad.

[obtuse crypt]

could be the worse weapon ingame i would still run it

[unreal nova]

Like, I rather play EK with 0 Peril reduction than have to use it.

[somber axle]

Maybe not worst but it's low tier on everyone except Scum imo. And only mid at best on Rampage Scum

Still fun though

I play it into aurics and auric maelstroms sometimes too so I understand

[obtuse crypt]

i mean its a game

and its suppsoed to be fun right?

[somber axle]

Yes

Absolutely

[obtuse crypt]

so i use the weapons i enjoy

[somber axle]

We are just advising optimal

[obtuse crypt]

and not the ones that are meta but i dont like

[unreal nova]

Thing is, doing nothing isn't fun so... Shrugs.

[somber axle]

And sometimes optimal clashes with fun

[obtuse crypt]

i have no issues with the chainsword i can easy clean hordes and elites, especially since i am new and pla yon heresy which is not so hard with a decent team

[somber axle]

It's unfortunate that the Chainsword is this way in current balance

It is a VERY fun weapon visually and for the audio effects

You can do anything in this game with enough skill

[obtuse crypt]

does focus target extra dmg also inculde meele?

[somber axle]

Even Infantry Lasgun into Havoc 40s

Just takes more effort/skill

[somber axle]

Yes

[obtuse crypt]

how do use it just spam on elites or save for big targets

[tame lodge]

Yup
I use on every melee build of mine

[somber axle]

If you don't mind struggling more/sweating more do any loadout you like

But recommended perks/blessings/talents unfortunately end up a little cookie cutter

[obtuse crypt]

im already strugelling on life so why not ingame too 😄

[turbid ibex]

Spam but make sure to kill the target before pinging another one

[unreal nova]

True, but rather not because that leads to not enjoying the game when you are forced into solo situations because everyone else somehow went down.

[stark holly]

he said hes playing on heresy, all weapons are completely viable there with 0 issues, especially on vet who can just krak the like grand total of 3 crushers that will spawn in the whole mission

[somber axle]

Healthy stress

[somber axle]

Also true

Everything is viable. Not everything is competitive

[obtuse crypt]

this looks ok for boltgun?

[stark holly]

use it basically as much as possible on elites and specials

[somber axle]

Yeah I just advise for the later climb not the current wall

[forest lagoon]

A lot more spawn than that

you get 3-5 crushers on malice difficulty

[unreal nova]

Though, should keep in mind teammates and situation. Especially current event.

[obtuse crypt]

question if redirect fire is active and i tag another enemy do they like stack?

[forest lagoon]

What's the best psword variant? I'm trying to see if I like it over the chaxe

[turbid ibex]

6

[unreal nova]

People forget the spawn 'buffs'. You can totally get 14 crushers in heresy now.

[turbid ibex]

By a long shot

[forest lagoon]

What's the name specifically

[unreal nova]

At the same time.

[turbid ibex]

Its the mk6

[forest lagoon]

Achlys?

[turbid ibex]

I think so

[forest lagoon]

Cool

[turbid ibex]

Its the one with a stab on the push attack

[forest lagoon]

Oh that's the one I have

[stark holly]

sort of. it refreshers your current buff / adds stacks to your current buff until you hit max (4) stacks. but you will not get multiple buffs for tagging multiple enemies. you can only tag 1 at a time anyway

[forest lagoon]

I'm guessing for perks it's any combo that includes power cycler

Maybe Sunder?

[turbid ibex]

Power cycler and either sunder or brutal momentum

[forest lagoon]

Brutal Momentum ignores values or something along those lines right?

[stark holly]

also, for stuff like this, its often easiest to just go into the psychanium and just try out different talents and perks to see how they actually interact. sometimes things dont work they way you would expect

[obtuse crypt]

yeah but if i kill the tagged guy i get 10% dmg but if i tag another guy the 10% stays right?

[stark holly]

yes

[turbid ibex]

Brutal momentum gives more dps

[stark holly]

it will actually refresh the duration of your 10% buff regardless of how many stacks you have when tagging the second guy

so you should basically have nearly 100% uptime as long as there are enemies to kill

[turbid ibex]

Sunder gives you effectively 40+ cleave and lets you cleave carapace

[forest lagoon]

Is cleave or rend the value that increases the range of your melee

[stark holly]

neither increases range

[forest lagoon]

i mean like being able to hit more than a narrow cone of enemies

[stark holly]

rending / brittleness increase damage to armor
cleave increases how many enemies you can hit

[forest lagoon]

yeah that's what I meant

range as in the range of people I can hit in one attack

[stark holly]

cleave still wont increase the actual arc of the attack beyond what the swing would be like attacking the air. But it will prevent your attack from ending prematurely

[obtuse crypt]

is focus target really a must have

[forest lagoon]

Build dependent?

[obtuse crypt]

feels a bit weird and annoying to keep taggin people

[stark holly]

depends on your weapons. all 3 keystones are really strong for specific builds

[forest lagoon]

Focus target is for one shot builds right?

Tag and headshot

[orchid hemlock]

Weapon Specialist is by far the best Keystone

And yes you use it too for one shot builds

Focus target is mostly for weapons that actually lack raw damage

[stark holly]

focus target is good for any build that benefits from increase to base damage. base damage increase all damage including melee, ranged, dots like bleed/burn, and grenades.

marksmans focus increases ranged damage specifically

weapons specialist is meant more for melee focused builds

[forest lagoon]

I use weapon specialist

but I also use chaxe

I just enjoy a meaty heavy attack

[orchid hemlock]

I don't mind chain axe but when you realize that the best single target damage of it is the stab push attack

You then wonder why you took the chain axe in the first place when knife does the same thing but better 💀

[obtuse crypt]

what perks u recommend on boltgun?

flak and carpace 20%

?

[orchid hemlock]

Guide in pins

[stark holly]

flak, carapace, unyielding are all good

[orchid hemlock]

I don't take Cara on any range weapon except needle pistol

Stop shooting cara enemies

Flak and maniac I believe have one shot breakpoints

But I do like mag dumping with bleed on bosses so I usually take unyielding instead

[forest lagoon]

Flak and unyielding

with the sole of exception of if you can flank a bulwark , I don't think you should be shooting carapace enemies at all

[orchid hemlock]

Cara also has very little overlap since the only enemies in the game that have a cara body are Crushers

[forest lagoon]

And you definitely don't want to shoot crushers

[orchid hemlock]

I think shooting packs are fine, but the problem is that the bleed from puncture does piss damage to cara enemies

Bleed has horrific modifiers for crushers specifically

I think that it takes about 2 minutes to kill a crusher with 16 stacks of bleed

[forest lagoon]

Got to be honest I don't use bleed at all

[unreal nova]

Is better to just melee bleed then tbh with rending.

[forest lagoon]

I swapped from kraks to smoke recently

Good for exe stance

[orchid hemlock]

Smokes are fine but with the buff crushers got and kraks also being a very safe way of deeling with bosses, it spiked in meta

From being the worst grenades to the best is insane

Thanks Fatshark 💀

[forest lagoon]

Kraks are just an instant win button

[orchid hemlock]

People also don't realize this, but kraks are also good at picking people up

If you right click throw a krak, it will just be thrown onto the ground and make a small CC explosion

It isn't as big as frags, but it is enough to give you enough time to pick someone up

[tall torrent]

Flak and unyielding

[obtuse crypt]

TRIED THE BOLTGUN NOW

sry caps

feels so clunky

very hard to use compoared to lasgun

[hollow ibex]

feels satisfying to use tho

a gun with some chest hair

[obtuse crypt]

use it fucks up everything in its path

just gotta now when to use it and when to just meele

since reloading takes forever and ammo is pretty low

[forest lagoon]

Use the reload speed on elite kill perk

With exe stance it's a pretty quick reload

make sure you have the swap speed perk too

[orchid hemlock]

You need to build around it, specifically the swap speed and reload speed that becomes tax nodes

Bolt gun is also a very ammo inefficient weapon

[arctic ridge]

MMF?

[narrow frost]

marksman focus

left side keystone

[arctic ridge]

Haven’t tried that keystone yet.

Though am considering, within this event.

[orchid hemlock]

I would personally slap the Vraks with MF

But Vraks is just a monster regardless on what keystone you use

[arctic ridge]

Vraks is which again?

[turbid ibex]

Infantry autogun

[arctic ridge]

Headhunter & Ghost?

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think autoguns get those blessings

[thorn lark]

Make it a passive or something.

[thorn lark]

Confirmed kill, longshot, exhil... Plus don't forget you have exec for instant equip.

[thorn lark]

Yeah, it's for Vigilant

[mighty python]

Is flak + unarmored a good perk combo for the plasma gun?

[hybrid plover]

Yeah

[mighty python]

Ty

[somber axle]

I meant for the row, not the whole upper tier. If you are taking Confirmed Kill you only look at three options: Covering Fire(no), One Motion(Very good for Helbore being I think the second slowest swap speed of Vet weapons) and Longshot (Nice but you already hit crazy damage with MMF/Exe). Exe instant equip is very valid though. I need to remember to use that more often for the quick swap. I think I forget when I already have Exe active so it feels weird to hit it again during the duration with no red buffs

I feel like Longshot is very good for coordinated play like Havocs where your team will give you a reliable frontline

For quickplays that's not so effective

Swap speed is more valuable for Auric HiSTG and Auric Maels

Imo

[quiet lark]

i like taking both with helbore but if i could only choose one it'd be one motion

[plain osprey]

Buddy of mine made me play a meme build yesterday with executioners stance and zarona revolver today. Felt weird. And was very ammo hungry

[mighty python]

Avoided using the chainsword for a while because I saw some people in gen chat saying it wasn’t that good. But ever since I picked it up for this new build I’m using, its been amazing lol

Idk how people can say its not good

[plain osprey]

Its ok. I dont like it but ive seen people do nice things with it

[turbid ibex]

Sucks absolute ass against carapace

[somber axle]

Sucks vs Carapace and the list of ranged weapons you can use to deal with Crushers is low, the list of ranged weapons that can do it on Havoc is even lower

It's also not too strong vs Flak ADM iirc

And the special still leaves you too vulnerable

It's so so fun

[plain osprey]

I will never not use dueling sword on high havoc. Its just so convenient

[somber axle]

It's also tragically balanced around being weak to armour in a game where Power Sword exists and you can remove the downsides of the charged blade falling off from stuns by using Exe Stance, the weak dodge by using Weapon Specialist for better dodge distance and speed, and both Weapon Specialist and Trench Fighter to fix the slow weapon attack speed. Then the only weakness is poor sprint speed which doesn't matter if you can stand, plant and kill anything and everything so effectively with minimal drawbacks to survivability. Meanwhile Rending Strikes does not come close to letting Chainsword even dream of being a solid Carapace can opener on Vet

[amber vortex]

its almost like....vet has other things to use against carapace

[somber axle]

So when you get lots of Crushers on higher difficulties you either throw Krak and pray, hope your team handles it, or uselessly pool noodle Crushers

[mighty python]

I got my gun and kraks for that. Besides it cuts through carapace enemies well enough on special attack weakpoint hit

[plain osprey]

I dislike the powerswords. They feel very clunky

[somber axle]

Krak helps thin out Crusher pain trains for sure but Chainsword doesn't pair well with Helbore for how much investment Helbore wants to work

And then what? Revolver and become ammo vacuum? Vraks IAG and become ammo vacuum?

[mighty python]

I think I ran into you yesterday lmao

[amber vortex]

That is funneh

I wish that was me

[somber axle]

If you are out of Krak and out of ammo you're kinda done when running Chainsword so you have a fail condition baked in and your only recourse is looping to let Demo Stockpile refill a Krak with the 60 sec wait timer

[amber vortex]

If you're out of ammo, you're kind of an eejit

Use chainsword on chaf, use gun on elites and such

[somber axle]

On Revolver and Vraks IAG when spending that ammo into Crushers ammo is a bigger concern

Helbore doesn't care and most ranged weapons don't either because your general rule is melee Crushers and melee never runs out of ammo

Helbore can shoot Crushers all day and never feel the ammo sting

[mighty python]

Real

[tame lodge]

Because it's not

But don't worry

[somber axle]

Take it into the current event 🙂

[tame lodge]

Fatshark knows what they are doing

[amber vortex]

I have

its fine

[somber axle]

See how all Ragers as chaff feels as Chainsword

[amber vortex]

Yeah, its not that hard

[somber axle]

Because I can promise it isn't nearly as effective

[amber vortex]

Again, gun

recon go brrr

[somber axle]

If you can make it work props to you. But it isn't a good weapon

Low tier

[tame lodge]

Y'all use guns?

[somber axle]

With glaring weaknesses the talent tree will not overcome

[amber vortex]

Its pefectly fine at what its meant to do

its just not broken like the dueling sword

[south spindle]

No, I hit heretics with the shovel because the "plunk" sound amuses me

[somber axle]

You don't shoot Crushers with a Recon do you?

[hollow ibex]

causing cadia to fall 😭

[mighty python]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-dont-talk-close-mouth-grab-lips-mad-family-gif-21732788

[somber axle]

I liked the meme a while ago too. But it's just goofy now LOL

[amber vortex]

It can work with onslaught, I guess

[somber axle]

No it doesn't

TTK is horrible

Even if you take a Psykanium Warrior build and make a gimped tree forsaking all the talents you need to stack all damage you possibly can it has awful TTK

And worse with a proper build

[amber vortex]

its really isnt

[somber axle]

What difficulty are you first

[amber vortex]

Auraic

[hollow ibex]

it's pretty bad

[somber axle]

Because I need to be sure we're talking 6k HP Crushers first

[south spindle]

Can confirm, is bad

[somber axle]

Ok now go into the Psykanium right now

Go shoot a Crusher with your recon

Time it

Get back to me with how long it takes

[amber vortex]

Yeah, you could, but thats for krak and rev

[somber axle]

Rev into a Crusher pain train??

[amber vortex]

Because you have more than one resource

as vet

[somber axle]

Rev on one lone Crusher is risky, but multiple all doing the domino dance of swinging? Absolutely not

And you will absolutely have moments where there are more Crushers than Krak

Chainsword/Recon is basically saying "I need my team to do Crusher packs I'll be over here"

[amber vortex]

You dont need to use the same thing for every encounter, its really simple

[somber axle]

If you have friends who don't care that you're throwing Krak that's fine

[south spindle]

Rev on Chainsword into Crushers is like trying to cut your fingernails with a cheesegrater.

Sure, you can do it, but it takes way too long and you're just as likely to hurt yourself as anyone else

[amber vortex]

Krak thins out pack, rev does good damage

[tame lodge]

Which is true
Because it's perfectly good at killing poxxers
That's it

[somber axle]

It's just a loadout with a glaring weakness that isn't resolved

[amber vortex]

k

[mighty python]

This skin is pretty cool

[somber axle]

I love Chainsword too but I would never take it into an Auric Maelstrom CIVI

That's just silly

All scab no ammo

[south spindle]

Counterpoint; Scum

[amber vortex]

I've made it work, just fine

[amber vortex]

That skin IS pretty cool

[tame lodge]

Notice how you need to use all your loadout to make Chainsword usable

[somber axle]

Yeah it's so so SO fun on Scum I love it on that class LOL

[tame lodge]

When you could just

[somber axle]

Scum makes it actually work in way Vet never could

[tame lodge]

Get a good melee

[somber axle]

Rampage Chainsword Scum is VISCERAL

[amber vortex]

You mean like the chainsword?

[tame lodge]

And use melee for everything

[south spindle]

Its the drugs

[amber vortex]

Best melee in the game

[somber axle]

Very solid mid tier choice for Scum

[tame lodge]

Not a good melee

Llol

[amber vortex]

Chainsword is really the meta

Most meta

[tame lodge]

But don't worry

Fatshark knows what they are doing

[amber vortex]

In fact, fat shark should just remove everything that isnt chainsword

its that op

[somber axle]

Chainsword needs buffs

No

[tame lodge]

So just accept the Chainsword as it is

[mighty python]

I’m taking chainsword into havoc

[amber vortex]

Nah, its that good

[south spindle]

Yeah, on the days the TacAxe doesn't kick its ass in the mess and nick its corpse starch

[somber axle]

Buff Chainsword please. I genuinely love the Chainsword design in all aspects but balance

[amber vortex]

You mean...the tacCHAIN?

Best weapon

[somber axle]

Better Flak and Cara ADMs

[amber vortex]

Indeed, chainsword is the best

[south spindle]

Yes.

Give me a tactical Chainaxe, there is no way I will abuse this thing, not even remotely. I promise

[amber vortex]

Its funneh how darktide has a chainaxe, and sm2 doesnt

[somber axle]

ChainAXE is solid though

[amber vortex]

but it doesnt compare to the greatness that is the chainsword

because swords are better than axes

thats just logic

[tame lodge]

As a sniper player

What thefuck is a melee that isn't knife

[south spindle]

I mean.. its alright, but it always feels like you're clubbing dudes to death instead of you know, wielding an industrial blender...

[unreal nova]

By being carried?

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[south spindle]

If I wanna club heretics to death, I'll set the decks up

[somber axle]

Ok yeah I agree because that's just pure style but like in raw performance the balance team doesn't agree

[somber axle]

Yeah it doesn't feel good to use but it does perform better

[amber vortex]

Well the balance team are nerds, clearly they just need to CHAIN it up

[somber axle]

But performing better than the Chainsword is a low bar to clear

[amber vortex]

Nah, highest bar

[south spindle]

Lacking visceral feedback kills a good weapon deader than a bad one immediately ngl

[amber vortex]

Dont tell that to dueling sword nerds

[south spindle]

Like I would have more fun with a shit gun like the BAG over an S tier gun like the needler, because one of them goes bang and can paint walls with brains

[somber axle]

I wish the BAGs were good so bad

[south spindle]

Needle gun and Chainaxe are by a mile the least satisfying things in this accursed game

[somber axle]

They have one of THE BEST skins in the game

And the design makes them fun to shoot

But wow they are behind

[amber vortex]

Nah, dueling sword is worse

[south spindle]

Ahh the one with the engraved handguard and fucking sword guard on the grip

[amber vortex]

I dont get the appel

[somber axle]

YES YES YES THAT BAG IS SO SEXY

[mighty python]

The non meta weapons in this game seem more fun to use overall tbh. Its why I don’t use most of them

[somber axle]

I adore it

[south spindle]

Ehhh, DS isnt fun because its boring, it doesnt have any feedback issues, but its just as boring to play as Rashad

[somber axle]

Basic combo is so boring

[mighty python]

Also I like picking weapons based on the lore I make for my characters lol

[somber axle]

Light into hordes, heavy into anything BIG

[amber vortex]

it was by far the most unsatisfying weapon I've everyused

[tame lodge]

Still outdpsing Ogryns peashooter

[somber axle]

No alternating

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[south spindle]

Real tbh. Swhy TacAxe <> Shovel > Everything else

[amber vortex]

Even the krieg-nerd gun was better

in terms of feedback, anyway

[unreal nova]

Is good for dress ups. When you wanna go inquisitor commissar.

[mighty python]

What’s the BAG?

[somber axle]

I wish Ogryns would have their Stubbers buffed proper

They deserve it

[tame lodge]

It wont

But don't worry

[somber axle]

Tbh a lot of their guns could use buffs

[tame lodge]

Fatshark knows what they are doing

And there's nothing you can do about it

[south spindle]

One of them things you bring your shopping in using, and about as capable in fight

[somber axle]

Braced Autogun

No aiming down sights, only hip fire and bracing against hip fire

[mighty python]

Ohhh that one. Yeah I used it for a bit before I switched to the infantry version, was pretty fun

[somber axle]

It's really fun but also kinda weak compared to most other weapons

[amber vortex]

I just like lasguns

[unreal nova]

What's braced? It's just autogun.

[tame lodge]

It is the worst ranged weapon available for lil uns

[somber axle]

Love all the Lasguns

[tame lodge]

Still outdpsing Ogryns gun

[somber axle]

Every single one

[mighty python]

Never change darktide fan base

[amber vortex]

could be worse

could be krieg nerds

[plain osprey]

Wtf?

[mighty python]

[somber axle]

I think Darktide has a lot of new players and a lot of them are chuds LOL

[mighty python]

Wait wrong one

[somber axle]

I had two dorks screaming at each other over voice

And both threatening each other

Until they learned they both live in SoCal

And then they both began to waffle about a possible actual fight

[amber vortex]

Still not as bad as the "krieg should get they're own codex" crowd

[mighty python]

Meant to post this one

[amber vortex]

About right, the average krieger is perpetually stuck in their teens

Hence why they think krieg books are good, due to a lack of reading comprehension

[somber axle]

Is the Black Library mostly garbo

Someone said Ciaphas Cane books are good

And the Trazyn stuff

[amber vortex]

its a mix bag

[somber axle]

But I see more 40k fans calling the writing stupid than anyone praising anything

Is that just dumb fans being biased and sobbing about a book writing their faction as the loser in a conflict when they really believe they should win or is it actual bad writing

Both?

[amber vortex]

Generally, I find 40k books are super inconsistent

[amber vortex]

both

[somber axle]

Does it lean more one way or the other?

[amber vortex]

I feel its kind of in the middle

the horus heresy books are mostly tripe

[somber axle]

That's fair. It's hard to sift through the whining sometimes. I played WoW a long time ago and the faction obsessed players always called anything they lose bad writing there and it made my eyes roll

[mighty python]

Depends on the faction imo

[amber vortex]

Example: Steve Lyon's krieg books are really bad unless you happen to like the death korp

(I FUCKING HATE THE KRIEG)

[somber axle]

Who plays "but my toy is bestest" hardest?

[mighty python]

Hm

Probably loyalist space marine fans, but the type who would unironically say the imperium isn’t evil

[somber axle]

That makes sense

[hollow ibex]

morality is relative weeeeeeeeeeeee

[mighty python]

“You can’t apply your soft baby irl morals to a setting like 40k.”

Yes I can. That’s literally the whole point of the setting. Stfu

[somber axle]

I mean there's also just how dumb the evil is

Like just gross incompetence being so immense that it begins evil for how dumb it is

And I don't mean Orks

[amber vortex]

WAIT

What was they're drip?

[mighty python]

I didn’t see them unfortunately

[amber vortex]

bet you a tenner it was steel legion or cadian

[mighty python]

But im on western US servers if that helps

[somber axle]

In the Warhammer+ series about a Commissar leading a squadron to || collect a tithe from a world in active war with Orks they arrive to discover the Imperial Guard at the Bastion they mean to collect from is nearly out of supplies. They thought the ships flying through Ork fighters had ammo. The Imperial Guard Officer refuses to turn over their meager ammo and the Commissar asks if the Officer would face the Emperor a traitor. That's all it takes to make the Officer tuck his tail between his legs and sheepishly order his men to collect all remaining laspacks to be turned over. Later the Administratum receives this tiny supply of ammo and realises they made a clerical error as this is the wrong ammo. So instead of delivering it to the battlefield they BLOW IT UP. Literally just destroy the ammo. When a the Imperial Guard are forced into melee with ORKS. This isn't grimdark. This is grimDUMB ||

[mighty python]

Based

[amber vortex]

Grimderp

Its something the fandom calls grimderp

[somber axle]

I see why

That's evil borne from stupidity

[amber vortex]

KRIEG

[amber vortex]

You know the funnest part about that

Lasguns funnictionally have unlimited ammo

[somber axle]

Yes

They could have let the guardsmen keep the laspacks and charged them by fires

Or under sunlight right?

Instead they just BLEW IT UP

[mighty python]

40k “fans” when the imperium does something comically evil and stupid instead of representing their “based” fascist power fantasies

[somber axle]

Probably why the laspacks were all they had left at the end

[somber axle]

I do think it fits the Imperium for how that kind of governance would lead to such waste and incompetence but wow it's so so dumb

Guilleman getting migraines when he reads reports like this

[amber vortex]

Blame Malcador

[somber axle]

Microsoft Excel would save them

[amber vortex]

It's kind of crazy how he's pretty much the reason the imperium turned into the bloated mess it is

Seriously, think about any part of bureaucratic mess that is the imperium and it's probably because of Malcador

[mighty python]

I think its hilarious how the common citizenry of the imperium believes the lex is the emperor’s law, when malcador wrote the entire thing and emps had little to no part in it

[amber vortex]

The Adeptus Arbites are honestly more like super-tax collectors than super-cops in the actual cannon

[somber axle]

Space IRS

[amber vortex]

And sadly, no one filed with tubo tithe

[somber axle]

It's really important the Cadians never do because there's clearly tithe fraud with how they exist everywhere

[amber vortex]

And unlike the krieg, GW didn't break the rules for them

I JUST HATE THE KRIEG SOO MUCH

[somber axle]

What did the Krieg do to start this hate

What is your earliest memory of hate

[amber vortex]

Like unironically?

[somber axle]

Yeah

But first as a joke

Because joke answers are fun

[hybrid plover]

I mean

They're kinda overrated.

[somber axle]

I agree

[hybrid plover]

And oversaturated

[amber vortex]

Mid-Korp of memes, hard carried by unfunny memes and ww1 aesthtic

[somber axle]

But I am curious

[amber vortex]

The lore for the death korp is super average to bad

[somber axle]

That's very fair

[amber vortex]

(unironic) They don't do anything for me, i find the guard compelling because they're human. Because they're just a normal men and women with a flashlight facing down the horrors of the galaxy. The krieg's whole thing is that they're faceless, barely, human test-tub clones with no real personality.

The fans are also sometimes annoying but every faction has those

[somber axle]

Like when I learned about Black Templars my friend told me to be careful of anyone who says that is their fav because they're usually a certain kind of person

Community can ruin things

[amber vortex]

The krieg books from Steve Lyons, I also have a personal hatred for

[somber axle]

Ok that's a fantastic take. I 100% get your hate

[south spindle]

Shovels though.

[hybrid plover]

I think the whole shtick about their only purpose being to die for the Emperor is just a boring premise.

[south spindle]

Isnt that... like everyone's purpose in 40K?

[hybrid plover]

And it's clear GW leaned really fucking hard into that where it's also just their entire identity.

[hybrid plover]

Yes but also no.

[somber axle]

Tbh I don't particularly care about Krieg one way or the other but I am a bit bored of seeing them so often and maybe kinda find it irritating that they were shown on the 4th War for Armageddon instead of Steel Legio

[hybrid plover]

Kriegs go to the extent of suicidal ideation for it

[amber vortex]

Blame Steve Lyons

Its where GW decided that the krieg's whole personality was....they dont have one

[hybrid plover]

Like, one of the main things about 40k that's fascinating is how humanity tries to find the light in an extremely dark situation.

Kriegs are a complete antithesis to that.

[amber vortex]

Honestly, can admit most it just comes from bitterness

Krieg was the second regiment after the big guardsmen purge

My first minis where steel legion, soo there's a bias

[somber axle]

Elysians and Catachan are my favs

Elysians because my family on my dad's side has a lot of history in the air force including him

Catachan because the lore I have learned is fun

[amber vortex]

Elysians should be really cool, but they're always jobbers when they show up

[somber axle]

That's unfortunate

They seem like they have a really cool and unique dynamic

A role no other regiment can fill

[amber vortex]

Which is weird, given how they're one of the more well supplied than other regiments, and they use more sound tactics than the common guardsmen

[somber axle]

Who else can spray full auto weapons with pin point accuracy from jump packs as they fall from the sky?

[feral stratus]

Barging into the convo just to say, agree on yall opinions on krieg, it was kinda my introduction to 40k a while back, i found it really interesting and kinda made me interested in the franchise. But as time went on their theme of not having any emotions ruins a bit of the fun that the guard has, also the 40 million unfunny shovel memes.
But i have to thank them existing for introducing me to the franchise.

[somber axle]

That's also fair

I got into 40k because I thought the Cadian Kasrkins looked amazing in their full kit

Cadians are not my fav regiment

[feral stratus]

Right now, my two favorite regiments are the Vostroyan and Savlar Chemdogs

Cadia comes third

[somber axle]

But I still got drawn back to Darktide after a year long break mostly because they added a green helmet with a full mask and visor

[feral stratus]

To be fair, it looks good

[somber axle]

It looks fantastic

It completes the Cadian look I have been building since day 1

[feral stratus]

I wanted to buy it but money has been a bit dry so i'll wait until it comes back into rotation

No worries

[somber axle]

I love it so much

[unreal nova]

Sad part of FOMO shops.

[feral stratus]

Yep...

[unreal nova]

It may be 4 years before it rotates back in.

[somber axle]

I also have the green vox pack with battle damage that has "Cadia Stands" written on it and swap with the intact vox pack that has the symbol for the gate

[amber vortex]

Still waiting for that old steel legion jacket

[unreal nova]

Waited like over 1 and half years for the commissar rerun. Ended with Inquisitor when it first came out.

Never bought commissar since waited too long and bought better.

Did buy the red hat though since fits better.

[mighty python]

Sm2 was my intro to the hobby. Ngl it was probably luck that kept me from turning into a warhammer chud

Lmfao

[feral stratus]

My way to not become like that was to not give a fuck, "Hey this is cool", "I don't like this but eh whatever" and so on

Why ruin the fun of others?

[unreal nova]

Because blue smurfs being marty stus.

So they liking op means they get to walk over others.

[feral stratus]

I don't like that a lot of other chapters are under represented for another book about Ultramarines, sure. I would like others to have the spotlight too, but i won't be screaming into the clouds because of that.
The one that rubbed me the wrong way was Krieg on the Yarrik trailer. Hey at least they announced that they are working on a steel legion drop after the backlash

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure is cos a certain someone wanks to them hard.

[mighty python]

Idk how I made it out of this lmao

[toxic reef]

why are you jumping

[mighty python]

Panic habit lol

[buoyant wind]

Wait this is super cool

[mighty python]

Regretting not buying that set when I had the chance. Would’ve been perfect for my plasma gun build

Maybe the kasrkin one will come back someday

[desert viper]

new event is ok

[stuck tree]

discord clipping being SLOW as always

[stuck tree]

15 million orange highlight

[desert viper]

the fun part

there was another wave before this clip

same mauler pack

i used my nades for them

then this clown car joins in

part 2 of a chainsaw buffet

i had fun

[void dragon]

you as a manager when the waves of Karens come for your ass

it was very close tho, nice fighting

[desert viper]

thanks boss

[forest lagoon]

Good old cadians were my introduction

I have a soft spot for catachans and Lucifer Blacks

[somber axle]

Catachans are SO SO SO cool

Waiting for when they do a Catachan themed week for all the classes

I'll probably buy out the whole roster

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/JHAR8YhWd_U?si=mTCk-CsfW-MobsEN

[somber axle]

YEAH I SAW

I would love something like that in Darktide

I can't get into those games because I hate league of legends with every fiber of my being and the camera reminds me of it

[sly orchid]

oh get over yourself lmao

[somber axle]

But it would be amazing here

[sly orchid]

you should genuinely play rogue trader

its an amazing crpg

[somber axle]

I'm mostly playing it up for jokes LOL

I did try Rogue Trader with friends

It was fun but just as with BG3

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pasqal-rogue-trader--k01KQ583DJ4KW7E21XCVTNNW0Y3

[somber axle]

No amount of fun game mechanics or interesting story can overcome my disinterest in the camera

The style isn't for me

[sly orchid]

hmmm

thats a big shame

[somber axle]

Yeah I really want to like it but the camera is just too weird

Friends told me Divinity Original Sin (I think that was the name?) was also amazing but I tried it once and never again

I do love the characters

I watched a friend play Signalis and then started my own playthrough that ended halfway through the game. That was the closest I have ever gotten to properly finishing a game with that camera style

Idk why because as much as I joke about League of Legends I played that and some RTS games in high school so idk why my brain flipped

[sly orchid]

you should try pillars of eternity lol

a fixed top down camera lmao

[somber axle]

Maybe. Idk I'm thinking I just like first person or third person cameras for games more

[hollow ibex]

i prefer second person personally

[unreal nova]

Don't remind me, I'm on a next to nothing budget.

[somber axle]

I apologize!

[unreal nova]

I kinda want for stealth builds.

SURPRISE KARKERS! BOOMS happen.

[stuck tree]

full proper piece dont look too bad

[tame lodge]

they finally gave us good pants

[stuck tree]

finally

[steep flower]

You just got old

Just like me with PvP games

Altho a lil part of me yearns to come back to Overwatch; such good memories

[stuck tree]

overwatch in a hell state

[steep flower]

Was
Now its like trying to come back & stuff

Ever since Marvel Rivals

[stuck tree]

you seen the new hero they release?

[steep flower]

That one not yet but overtuned stuff will be tuned with time as usualy does

[stuck tree]

true that

Emre is pretty fun to play

reminds me of halo thats it

[steep flower]

I was a Zenyatta/Zarya main back in the day

[stuck tree]

wow

i think for me it was doomfist, 76 and rein

[arctic ridge]

Just came out of a quickplay with someone's saucy havoc 40 vet position. To paraphrase:

'Laspistol with Exec Stance + Marksman, is the correct way to be a havoc 40 team player.

Anything else, you're sandbagging the team from being their best.'

[unreal nova]

Papa, you know it's sudoku tiers calling a lass old.

[unreal nova]

They dumb.

[arctic ridge]

Right side of the vet tree though. . . it's quite an ask just to get to MF.

compared to the other south branches of the vet tree.

[somber axle]

Psh no not yet. I just finished going to Fanfest in Anaheim and I was running around all day, stood for 2 hours in a line for one event and also danced throughout the whole final closing concert. I was really jumping and head banging through a lot of the Primals rock concert LOL

There were afterparties and raves planned too but I leave early today and the friend I came with left at 4 am so we didn't have time

I think I'm at the perfect age to cosplay. I still look amazing, have the energy to run out on 4 hours sleep then do it again the next day with zero coffee, and I have the money to actually afford it. High School me was broke LOL

Catch me dressed as Master Motoya when I become like 80 though

[unreal nova]

Depends on gun, but yeah. Just point and laugh at idiot with thumb up their arse and finger in their nose.

[arctic ridge]

Huh?

[steep flower]

THAT IS A WOMAN?!

[steep flower]

Ye one can get tired after that

[unreal nova]

I said, you could get to MMF on some guns because reasons, but that guy is an idiot.

[unreal nova]

Yeah? Also I felt called out as well.

[arctic ridge]

I was wondering -- exactly how much comparable merit is there to the laspistol compared to other guns with dedicated MF.

Whether how much is understandable, & the other, rather situational if not exaggerated.

[unreal nova]

Oh, it's good. Busted even. That thing wants headshots and crits. Thing is, it's not the only good choice in havoc.

Him saying it is is dumb.

[silver patrol]

iaspistol is definitely one of the guns that use mf

[willow prairie]

1 shot gunner is huge

[silver patrol]

if the weapon has good finesse, MF is a good idea, basically

and laspistol is basically only finesse

[arctic ridge]

How's plasma with MF?

[silver patrol]

not good

plasma has shit finesse and doesn't really want most of the stuff on the left

[willow prairie]

right side is busted but laspistol doesn't fit ws

skirmisher + agile engagement is a lot of damage on it own

[silver patrol]

yeah that stuff you basically always take regardless

almost always

[willow prairie]

50% more damage pretty much unconditionally

lmao

[arctic ridge]

Right side is pretty much my generalist Auric / Maelstrom quickplays & random low-mid Havocs.

[willow prairie]

right side is low-mid havoc? what

[silver patrol]

i wish they reworked focus target

[arctic ridge]

I am yet to reach high havoc.

[willow prairie]

focus target need to work like saltzpyre imo

no cd + any ping work

+% damage taken is huge but it pretty much only useful against boss and crusher

[silver patrol]

singular

[willow prairie]

and you have to micromanage someehat

yeah

[faint beacon]

Bit of a stretch with micromanagement if you invest a point into the extra damage or Stamina/Toughness

Cause you don’t even need to get the kill for the buffs

Generally a ping and forget till it’s dead

[silver patrol]

i wouldn't take that node

[somber axle]

Shhh don't reveal my secrets. Just continue to listen to the sound of the clown bells jingling on my shoes

[faint beacon]

I’d argue against not taking it both of them are solid choices just never really both

[somber axle]

The fun part is that I wasn't tired. I wanted to keep going but I set up my PTO for the week like this to play the work schedule and get the whole 7 days off for the week all at once

[willow prairie]

the subnode for ft are ass

[somber axle]

I really love dancing LOL

[somber axle]

I appreciate you. I usually try to stay lowkey just in case people want to be weird LOL

I'm pretty good at blending in

[faint beacon]

Crackhead take I won’t lie

[unreal nova]

I mean, I get mistaken as well if I'm not being blatant. Bonus when I was younger and called a little boy.

[faint beacon]

That toughness/stamina subnode is so free it’s not even funny

[willow prairie]

how is it crackhead take when it is bad

💀

[faint beacon]

How is it bad explain

[willow prairie]

or you can take born leader and have better toughness support for you team

[faint beacon]

Better yet you can stack it cause it’s in the same fucking pathing LMAO

like bro it’s so easy

Besides you’re usually running it for the Stamina less the toughness, the toughness is a bonus

[willow prairie]

yeah just have to sacrifice something else that actually important

[faint beacon]

All of my builds can get the must takes on Vet bro I have no clue what you’re on about

[unreal nova]

I mean, I can even swap between WS and FT on some freely. XD

Just pinging is hard when you want dodge on bumper, so... XD

[faint beacon]

You have that excuse

On PC it’s so fucking easy to just ping and forget that it’s uptime is huge

[willow prairie]

what is bro build

[faint beacon]

Besides you should be pinging always and marking important enemies

[willow prairie]

yeah it's like ft doesn't change any of the breakpoint and only good for bosses and crusher or smt

so you ended up with a keystone that does almost nothing all the time

again +% damage taken is huge in this game but it doesn't applicable outside literally 2 type of enemy

again you can't spam it if you want max benefit since this isn't saltzpyre ping

target down is not that good if you're using it for stamina since it better to path and get -0.25s delay reduction instead

[faint beacon]

Fully Loaded point tax just to get it though

[somber axle]

Mood. I don't correct people. I can be a cat on a keyboard behind the computer screen if they want LOL

[faint beacon]

Reason why I dont even bother and just grab Target Down cause you only need 1 stack to give yourself enough stamina

[willow prairie]

20% stam is like what, a single push

and this is assuming with max stack ft

vet have slowest stam regen outside ogryn so -0.25s delay is a lot