Boltpistol actually has better breakpoints than plasma for havoc lol (because of puncture)
#veteran-class
tame lodge
unreal nova
Even tho it costs 1 more point to run
The weakpoint thing?
tame lodge
Always Prepared?
tall torrent
The weakpoint thing?
Always prepared
unreal nova
Always prepared
Oh. Don't ppl run plasma with it as well?
turbid ibex
not needed
unreal nova
not needed
Oh, I know, some ppl just run it anyway so...
tall torrent
Oh. Don't ppl run plasma with it as well?
Never needed for plasma
unreal nova
Never needed for plasma
For convience sake for them lul.
tall torrent
For convience sake for them lul.
it's just IQ tax
nothing more than that
a third of the reason plasma is among the best is because it's at least 1 point cheaper than every other vet gun
unreal nova
Also, couldn't one skip always prepared on Bistol as well if needed?
turbid ibex
reload is pretty slow and it only has an 8 shot mag
compared to plasma having like an effective 30+ shot mag
and also a really big reload cancel
forest lagoon
I think I got lucky with the stats
forest lagoon
so nothing about the maxed out damage?
turbid ibex
Stopping power is also damage
twin sapphire
so nothing about the maxed out damage?
well the damage will become maxed out on an 80 dmg roll at 500 anyways
if you're short on plasteel/diamantine rn sure use it, but you can get a better roll
distant escarp
Any pointers on making the infantry lasgun work for havoc?
unreal nova
Any pointers on making the infantry lasgun work for havoc?
You use heavy laspistol on the fast mark.
distant escarp
Infantry lasgun
narrow frost
Any pointers on making the infantry lasgun work for havoc?
I use ex stance with either focus target or MMF
I can get reliable 1 taps on specials with the heavy mark
and 1-2 shots on elites
depending on faction
unreal nova
Infantry lasgun
Yes, the joke is the heavy laspistol is better than it.
distant escarp
Do you think MMF is better than focus?
strange crow
Ainz You use deadly accurate on it too right?
narrow frost
with build in comments
erm
yeah
also
I pair it with smokes so I can have uninterrupted time to get headshots on ranged enemies
easier to line up heads
narrow frost
Do you think MMF is better than focus?
Honestly, it might depend on skill
MMF if high uptime with headshots but FT is more general
but again, I didnt feel a difference
grand perch
oh thats me
too bad i missed april fools checking up on that alt, i should have swapped the values to 71 thermal 69 charge for a day @tired egret
distant escarp
ty
clever badger
<@658630856222572547>
Noted
W luck today, only took like 1 mil
Tried some whacko ogryn rippergun build that the dude said you needed a 66% ammo, that broke me twice
hollow ibex
W luck today, only took like 1 mil
lol 2.5m later best i got still was 70/70
hollow ibex
Tried some whacko ogryn rippergun build that the dude said you needed a 66% ammo...
yeah it's worth tho
clever badger
yeah it's worth tho
I HATED IT 😭
turbid ibex
66% ammo on ripper means stuff like blaze away/inspiring barrage proc on every shot
clever badger
Indeed, but at the end of the day while I was using it all I could think was "Why am I using a ripper gun in the first place?"
grand perch
LET IT RIIIPPPP
toxic reef
they're fun
tough nova
Tried some whacko ogryn rippergun build that the dude said you needed a 66% ammo...
It does make a difference. Stacking blaze away every shot vs every 2 shots is huge on a 3 round burst.
tame lodge
This says a lot about ogryn weapons
They don't got ammo
And one of the proper builds has you dumping ammo stat
toxic reef
the ammo dump is not that big tho
and any other class would do the same if they could get a 19 mag weapon with blaze away
torn root
66% ammo on ripper means stuff like blaze away/inspiring barrage proc on every s...
that's pretty funny
assuming 66 is the min max
is there really a diff between 60 and 66 like how much ammo?
is it something dumb like on IAG where its only 20 shots?
tame lodge
Iirc ripper at 65% gets 19.8 in the mag
And 66% is 19.92
💀
60% is 19.2 so 19 it is
torn root
uuuuh
so does that translate to the same amount of bullets per mag or like?
i guess it's relevant for the increased ammo
maybe?
tame lodge
It's rounded down to 19 if I'm not mistaken
And since BA and such uses 10% of the mag
It gets rounded down to proc every shot
turbid ibex
is there really a diff between 60 and 66 like how much ammo?
66% instead of 60% is for the extra reserve ammo
tidal fox
67?
sonic kayak
is there really a diff between 60 and 66 like how much ammo?
It's one less total mag iirc?
copper vector
Damn I really prefer how the VII infantry lasgun handles
How much better does the Iia than it? I don't like the fast semi auto fire rate even with FullAuto
Or are their purposes kinda different
tawny badger
well the IIb deals less damage with a faster fire rate but you're gonna be shooting enemies in the face either way
copper vector
Yeah
I've heard the IIb has higher ammo economy and damage over a period of time than the VII, but it's kind of difficult to handle for me
And is the slowest ilas just dead? The IX I think?
tame lodge
It has its moments of 1 shotting maniacs iirc
copper vector
Man I can never seem to headshot charging ragers consistently
I had the same problem with the ragers and plague monks in Vermy2
spiral narwhal
Im feeling a bit bored, csn you guys give me some weapon builds? I usually run Kraks, plasma and combat knife
past peak
Im feeling a bit bored, csn you guys give me some weapon builds? I usually run K...
Embrace Ilas
Headshot machine
spiral narwhal
I do like lasguns everynow and then, but what mark you think is the best?
past peak
I do like lasguns everynow and then, but what mark you think is the best?
I swear by the XII, but I'm a boomer. The Ia is perfectly serviceable
spiral narwhal
Sorry but i have the iq of a ogryn and i only remember the lasguns by colour, what one is that?
quiet lark
I do like lasguns everynow and then, but what mark you think is the best?
vii, the middle mark, feels the best to me, but they're all good
(talking about inflas)
somber axle
Im feeling a bit bored, csn you guys give me some weapon builds? I usually run K...
Have you tried the fun of Double Barrel Shotgun Manstopper Lacerate Weapon Specialist Always Prepared
Never reload only shoot
There's also Boltpistol Lethal Proximity Puncture Shredders with Grenadier/Tinkerer and a melee with Uncanny like Knife or Shovel for just always throwing grenades that empty rooms
If you want a laser pointer that cleans mixed hordes well you could also try Recon Mk XIV Dum Dum/Deathspitter with Withering Fire
Also if you haven't yet then Helbore Exe Stance Marksman's Focus is a fun build but make sure to bring a melee like Tac Axe because investing into the bottom left means you have less talent points for melee investment
dreamy spade
What mod are you using to get recon on ogryn?
tame lodge
What mod are you using to get recon on ogryn?
dreamy spade
https://github.com/regzo2/DT-Loadout-Config
Does it work on single player missions? Or just in the Psykhanium?
toxic bear
@muted kayak I’m loving the new rifle lol it’s finally fully blessed 500 power
strong umbra
buoyant wind
<:Smug:736624565588983848> <:laspistol:865679890325831730>
How do I get the scoreboard plugin to work like this, shits jank on my screen
dusk osprey
Tried some whacko ogryn rippergun build that the dude said you needed a 66% ammo...
LMAO i think i've got that same build on my account- i have a hard time with it still
austere sierra
Is the mk3 shock maul way better than the agni because I feel like the attack loop for the mk3 is just better with groups and with single targets vs
strong umbra
How do I get the scoreboard plugin to work like this, shits jank on my screen
U need scoreboard and ovenproof scoreboard plugin mod
brisk umbra
What's the good Lasgun now, Recon or Infantry?
toxic reef
recon is prob better still
tame lodge
turbid ibex
prob ilas but being better than recon aint that difficult
turbid ibex
recon is alright
somber axle
What's the good Lasgun now, Recon or Infantry?
They're both mid tier weapons. I think the difference in performance for the most part is negligible and depends on what playstyle you want
Playing the IIa iLas and spamming shots as fast as you can feels like a Recon that actually cares about headshots anyway
But then a Recon Mk XIV with Dum Dum/Deathspitter will carve through a mixed horde to grab a trapper by the throat and melt them
Good Lasgun is Helbore
But Recon and iLas are fine
Laspistol is good too
brisk umbra
tbh just playing random stuff on the new event
tall torrent
There’s a new event?
heavy rover
What's the good Lasgun now, Recon or Infantry?
Helbore
brisk umbra
i mean it honestly feels easier than auric hi intensity this event
tough nova
It does
grand perch
breed that replacement
proven silo
how do u use the plasm gun? i suck hard just blew myself up
what is it even good for
tame lodge
how do u use the plasm gun? i suck hard just blew myself up
Uncharged shots only
Good at killing human sized elites and specialists
Usually 1 shot headshot
Reapers at 2 shots headshot
18 cleave on uncharged shot so it can go through a good number of targets
tame lodge
Uncharged shots only
It never blows up if uncharged shots only btw
proven silo
feels so clunky
but i think its a reaally powerfull weapon that i just suck at using
tame lodge
It is pretty good
Also the reason why you only use uncharged shots is because charged shots damage to ammo ratio is just not good
Almost 3 times the ammo usage for less damage than 2 uncharged shots
turbid ibex
also really slow
tired harness
what blessings are you guys using on shovel
distant plaza
Mk1 uncanny+skullcrusher
the rest (and for more informed opinions) read the guide
quiet lark
i prefer decimator to skullcrusher but both are good
slow sky
Decimator is better for general use
Skullcrusher is however exceedingly strong in specific circumstances
Due to being fucking stupid
Shovel is just in a weird spot where its like kind of an impact weapon but also kinda not so it can take advantage of it but only sometimes
jovial lava
Shovel is just in a weird spot where its like kind of an impact weapon but also ...
Impact does things? I heard it wasnt worth investing on in the past
slow sky
Decimator is better for general use
Decimator is just unconditional big damage numbers, plus its the shovels only reasonable method of getting some more cleave which it appreciates
slow sky
Impact does things? I heard it wasnt worth investing on in the past
I mean in terms of weapon design
A weapon with good impact
Impact does have a place, its basically how much stagger your weapon builds up
But its a lot more specific in its use case cuz majority of the time when it matters, its whether it can get a specific enemy to stop doing something for a few seconds
Like ending a ragers combo, or canceling a crushers overhead, or staggering a bulwark so his shield is open, thats the kinda stuff impact is for
It matters in the context of skullcrusher because thats a damage taken debuff that applies on staggering enemies or hitting them while staggered, but only is in effect whilst they're still staggered
If youre staggering left and right, that shit is everywhere
unreal nova
what blessings are you guys using on shovel
Skullcrusher+Decimator memes on mk3.
slow sky
And its no small amount either, t4 skullcrusher is +40% damage taken per proc, up to +80% damage taken
The folding shovels trigger it twice on a special hit, with the rip benefitting from the first 40% while adding on the second after
And the og mk1 has a special stab that staggers to the head, which can be followed with a push (adding more skullcrusher) then the push attack from that to slam dunk on a dweeb with the high finesse overhead
slow sky
Yeah but the folding shovels are for dweebs
The mk1 is for real gamers
tame lodge
It's a shovel dawg
It doesn't matter
It is still mid tier
Refer to the previous crusher 1 shot for more proof
hollow ibex
Ironically I think it’s best on MMF builds where you’re using your gun most of the time lol
small lance
Does anyone elses shovel only do the first attack when heavy spamming while sprinting?
tame lodge
tame lodge
Does anyone elses shovel only do the first attack when heavy spamming while spri...
you're probably sprint canceling into H1
small lance
you're probably sprint canceling into H1
Gotcha... Just wondering because I don't think it happened for every weapon. Though I do remember having this issue with heavy sword, but I think that got patched
hollow ibex
so the falchion is best on builds where you dont even use it
Yeah the long cd kinda sucks really bad if you use it as your primary
twin sapphire
slow sky
Gotcha... Just wondering because I don't think it happened for every weapon. Tho...
its not an issue
thats a property of weapons
some weapons can sprint while doing attacks and some cant
heavy swords and devils claws notably changed within the last year
heavy sword
tidal fox
Heavy as in it drags you and your team down,
jovial lava
The folding shovels trigger it twice on a special hit, with the rip benefitting ...
That is interesting I see, but do you have any builds that actually take some kind of impact increase then?
just curious to try out stuff
I use the skullcrusher already on a bunch especially with ogryn
slow sky
That is interesting I see, but do you have any builds that actually take some ki...
the OG shock maul really likes it
which also has skullcrusher
a notable example is the fact that hammerblow stacked up allows it to stagger ragers out of combos
jovial lava
a notable example is the fact that hammerblow stacked up allows it to stagger ra...
does it need any node support or just by itself with hammerblow?
slow sky
just hammerblow
with it being a blunt weapon, it already has decent impact and hammerblow scales off of that
it increases the mauls stagger by 2.25x just by hitting shit
tall torrent
a notable example is the fact that hammerblow stacked up allows it to stagger ra...
methink it should be able to do this baseline and hammerblow just make it reach better stagger thresholds
why does it have to have a x0.5 maniac impact ADM
granite tree
hey guys I need help with on Overwatch penance could someone help?
toxic reef
hey guys I need help with on Overwatch penance could someone help?
if you can't find anyone to help, switch to south africa servers, load up an expeditions, and head immediately for extraction
and if you find someone to help stil do expeditions
umbral falcon
hey guys I need help with on Overwatch penance could someone help?
do the bare minimum difficulty on a really fast map to run through, i think i got mine on the relay station map where you shut down a heretic broadcast
cant remember the exact name theyre all the same
granite tree
I read on web that if you die at the beginning and stay dead you will be done with this
granite tree
if you can't find anyone to help, switch to south africa servers, load up an exp...
thank you for both answers I will try this if I cant find anyone
unreal nova
do the bare minimum difficulty on a really fast map to run through, i think i go...
Just rng extract.
It can literally be 10 secs in one direction.
granite tree
I am going in extraction now I will try it
unreal nova
Then just not getting hit by anything in melee.
granite tree
I never played extractions before
unreal nova
I never played extractions before
Look for the extract out arrow thing.
Just gas to it.
Be careful of the lightning.
umbral falcon
Just rng extract.
fair nuff
unreal nova
It will kill in 3-5 strikes.
umbral falcon
i assumed since they were asking they didnt want to cheese it but we ball
toxic reef
oh right that's the first node in this expeditions rotation lol
unreal nova
oh right that's the first node in this expeditions rotation lol
I hated it thus.
Gotta warn them.
Opposite of fun.
toxic reef
you can do the same for other penances like that
10 auric missions without getting downed
tho just don't use this method with random ppl that are not in it for that
toxic reef
ye you shouldn't have any issue on south africa servers
since that works for penances on regular maps as well
they're always dead
umbral falcon
tho just don't use this method with random ppl that are not in it for that
Can you not set private missions for expeditions tho
umbral falcon
Could do a priv for the same result
toxic reef
not solo
umbral falcon
Aiyah
unreal nova
they're always dead
If you find an actual person there, start ?¿?¿? spamming.
Unless someone trying to get penances as well. XD
steep flower
If you find an actual person there, start ?¿?¿? spamming.
Wtf Karien
This ain’t LoL Lmao
Gtfo with that chinesse shit
steep flower
Unless someone trying to get penances as well. XD
I like that feeling in any game when someone connects and wants to do what you wanna do
Priceless
unreal nova
Wtf Karien
This ain’t LoL Lmao
Gtfo with that chinesse shit
It's a literal dead server. I'm not even talking SEA dead because I play at 1-5 AM in the night.
Cos you can still play actual games on SEA, just at very specific hours.
steep flower
It's a literal dead server. I'm not even talking SEA dead because I play at 1-5 ...
Karien is a lone megalodon shark in the vast & empty SEA server
steep flower
It starts to empty out after midnight.
Damn; must be a trip
lucid silo
plain osprey
Friend of mine tried the helbore lasgun yesterday. He was NOT a fan lmao.
uneven kiln
Is there much of a place for back stabbing stealth build for vet similar to shade from vermintide or is it just kinda not good
strange crow
Is there much of a place for back stabbing stealth build for vet similar to shad...
Zealot shroudfield would be more similar since it gets the single target backstab damage boost
sly orchid
Is there much of a place for back stabbing stealth build for vet similar to shad...
infiltrate works pretty well
but you wont walk through enemies
uneven kiln
Zealot shroudfield would be more similar since it gets the single target backsta...
:0
Didn't realise zealot had one tbh
Fair enough
Might make me come of psyker for 2 seconds
strange crow
Yeah infiltrate kinda struggles to be on the same level as that and exec stance
turbid ibex
Is there much of a place for back stabbing stealth build for vet similar to shad...
Zealot works better for that
Infiltrate is good for bomber builds or if you want a one point ability
And the +30% damage for 8s is nice even if the uptime is dogass
unreal nova
It doesnt seem particularly good tbh
Honestly, the TDR could even be baseline and nobody would bat an eye.
turbid ibex
But overall exestance is pretty much just the best ability on vet rn
turbid ibex
Honestly, the TDR could even be baseline and nobody would bat an eye.
True
I'd like if the movement speed bonus also lingered after exiting stealth
unreal nova
I'd like if the movement speed bonus also lingered after exiting stealth
I would say, slowly decreasing till the damage buff poofs.
unreal nova
But the damage boost also doesn't work if you upkeep the stealth bit.
Since stealth breaks the moment stab.
turbid ibex
The damage boost lingers after you exit stealth tho?
And it stays at 30% until it ends
unreal nova
Yeah. So is like swapping speed into damage base, but prefer the speed to fade out than blep.
turbid ibex
Why does it even need to fade in the first place?
turbid ibex
I'd like if they made more changes before baseline tdr
unreal nova
What else can they really do? Buff it so that invis kills extend stealth? Would be too busted.
turbid ibex
Movement speed linger, slightly lower cooldown, slightly longer lingering buffs
Reworking the +1 charge node
unreal nova
That's just removing the +33% cooldown penalty.
turbid ibex
That works
unreal nova
We already pay a talent tax for 2x uses.
Why longer cd?
Should zealot fury be taxed +33% CD for 2x?
No, right?
desert viper
unreal nova
Zealot=chad vet =chud
Wrong place, go back to Zealot mains.
desert viper
vet stealth should offer you attack speed after you come out of it
finesse damage and attack speed on exiting stealth
the threat node should be changed
maybe something like applying brittleness to everyone around you
turbid ibex
the threat node should be changed
Eh not really
desert viper
why
turbid ibex
Attack speed also not really needed with the +30% damage buff being there
desert viper
yeah but it's objectively worse than zealot stealth and the buffs that it gives you
turbid ibex
why
Makes you effectively stay stealthed to most other enemies while you pick off the priority targets
desert viper
I don't see how giving it attack speed after you come out of stealth wouldn't be a welcome change
desert viper
Makes you effectively stay stealthed to most other enemies while you pick off th...
making the enemy brittle would give you so much more wiggle room for that
turbid ibex
making the enemy brittle would give you so much more wiggle room for that
Not really?
It would just help against crusher packs pretty much
desert viper
and that's not a good priority to have?
turbid ibex
Yeah but like
You probably already have tools to deal with them
And it doesnt help in the same way low profile does
desert viper
that's fair
turbid ibex
I don't see how giving it attack speed after you come out of stealth wouldn't be...
Also there are other things infiltrate could use help with than boosting damage further
Like 30% bonus damage is already a pretty significant boost
unreal nova
Also there are other things infiltrate could use help with than boosting damage ...
Lower stamina usage in stealth, hrm...
willow prairie
Like 30% bonus damage is already a pretty significant boost
turn it to strength fr
problem with infiltrate is like the stealth is literally doing nothing but fucking your team over
unreal nova
problem with infiltrate is like the stealth is literally doing nothing but fucki...
Unless you use it to lug batteries.
willow prairie
actually maybe change it to smt like ranger vet ult?
unreal nova
Or do minigames.
turbid ibex
The way i see it is that the stealth is supposed to be a way for the vet to approach enemies safely for the close range skirmisher stuff the right side of the tree wants to do
willow prairie
yeah except this isn't that kind of game anymore
hybrid prawn
the AoE bolter pretty nice on new event
but rager somewhat immune to the explosion cant stagger them
unreal nova
<:loregryn:1036580674741731379> but rager somewhat immune to the explosion cant ...
Is why 2-3 frags.
hybrid prawn
ran out
tall torrent
maybe something like applying brittleness to everyone around you
Pls no
unreal nova
ran out<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
That's when I press stealth and run away because bistol.
tall torrent
What was your paul build again path
turbid ibex
Thx
turbid ibex
Was going to bring that anyways
Only ogryn ranged sidearm that feels good to use for me
Heavy stubber does not spark joy
tall torrent
Was going to bring that anyways
Also there’s a blessing that gives extra strength on GG SP hitting 3+ enemies
That blessing is actually alr (paired with extra blast radius talent)
turbid ibex
Also path you have the source code right
turbid ibex
Do you think the names from the random name selector in character creation are there
tame lodge
It's pretty easy to navigate it
Then you get to the spicy part
tall torrent
Do you think the names from the random name selector in character creation are t...
I have no idea & honestly don’t care
turbid ibex
Damn
quiet lark
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1492174617106841732/i...
do you think fire away isn't worth taking over other nodes? tho admittedly im not sure what i would change for it
tall torrent
do you think fire away isn't worth taking over other nodes? tho admittedly im no...
it's not great
u do at best 4 stacks of fire on power maul SP (which has 10s CD)
and 2 stacks per GG SP
4 stacks of fire's dmg is very meh
quiet lark
hmm yeah
that's fair
also i was wondering if you could / would be interested in adding weapon swap speed to the guide
tame lodge
It's why Fatshark should buff fire overall
The only reliable good source of it is Flamer
But it's whatever since Fatshark knows what they are doing
turbid ibex
The only reliable good source of it is Flamer
Infernus lasguns
old prism
dots are already meta af on high havocs so I don't want any buffs to any dots rn
especially rotten
unreal nova
especially rotten
Wouldn't want any nerfs unless they nerf that as well either.
tame lodge
Infernus lasguns
I said reliable good 🗣️
That being said
Fire is the second best base dots in the game
In the burn in holy fire universe
But it low-key could be better
But it's whatever
Fatshark knows what they are doing
turbid ibex
It wouldve been better if zealot had burn synergy on their talent tree
And if immolation nades actually applied burn
hybrid prawn
bring back fire ogryn 32 stack
gentle lake
Flamer enemy is op asf in solos
I think a good amount of poxwalkers die to them lmfao
tame lodge
See?
Even Fatshark knows fire should just insta purge the poxxers
They know what they are doing
olive halo
guys, is it just me or is it really hard to see the ranged enemies in this game?
After spending pretty much all my time in melee and then trying to take a more ranged role, I realized its really hard to see heads a lot of the time
toxic reef
they either glow in the dark or telegraph their attacks at all times p much
olive halo
I mean its easy to see the lasers yeah
toxic reef
I mean even the muzzle flashes before they start firing
olive halo
but half the time their heads are just barely peeking out behind cover, without highlight I wouldnt have known where to shoot
hollow ibex
you get used to it
junior haven
most enemies have a green glow or they're running right at you.
olive halo
also, does the helbore have the same spread as the infantry lasgun?
I'd shoot at stuff half the time and it wouldn't die so I was wondering if it shoots straight or not
toxic reef
idt it has much spread at all in ADS
mighty python
Would you guys recommend focus target or weapons specialist for a plasma gun build?
toxic reef
both are good
focus target prob best, but I don't like it so I run weapons specialist
mighty python
Ty!
arctic ridge
WS arguably has more utility regarding hordes.
while FT can be worthwhile during Maelstrom modifiers / Havoc where there are continuous bosses.
mighty python
Gotcha, ty
tall torrent
also, does the helbore have the same spread as the infantry lasgun?
there's no spread outside of shotguns, hipfire or brace
(there's just no pitch or yaw stat for ADS, which would indicate spread)
olive halo
alright, thanks
tall torrent
Would you guys recommend focus target or weapons specialist for a plasma gun bui...
both work
mighty python
Best perks and blessings for the chainsword and plasma gun?
mighty python
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781
Ty!
hybrid plover
After spending pretty much all my time in melee and then trying to take a more r...
Simply
Be taller
olive halo
ironic
trail quartz
im waiting for ppl trto call me in what they need : 3
is there like a LFG for eu servers looking for ppl? i was last time 2 years ago here so i apologize for asking : s
forest lagoon
Stats any good?
silver patrol
yeah but you are going to reload it manually sometimes
silver patrol
what
forest lagoon
Look at it
silver patrol
yeah it's 80%
turbid ibex
meanwhile crit bonus is at 60
forest lagoon
yeah it's 80%
How is this worse
silver patrol
because if that one is 80%, another stat isn't
and you don't want the good stats to be below 80%
the good stats are the ones that give damage, the usual bad stats that should be at 60% are mobility, collateral and so on
forest lagoon
So the whole thing is dogshit because of one stat being too high
silver patrol
well it's not optimal because a damage stat is too low
turbid ibex
and because of that one stat being too high another stat is too low
forest lagoon
yeah ngl I'm just gonna ignore you lot
silver patrol
lil bro is hilarious
tame lodge
So the whole thing is dogshit because of one stat being too high
Because critical bonus is too low
It's quite literally the most important stat for Revolver
silver patrol
considering you are shooting crits at the very least a solid 70% of the time
turbid ibex
asks if stats are good
gets told no
"im going to ignore you"
tall torrent
Stats any good?
no, reload speed is dump
hybrid plover
Stats any good?
I mean, it's still perfectly usable but that definitely isn't the most ideal dump stat to have.
silver patrol
it's maybe the worst, and every gun is going to have the total so yeah, the stats aren't any good
hybrid plover
I mean in a sense that 60% to 80% crit bonus isn't like, gamechangingly different where it's just outright unusable as with all weapons
But yeah I wouldn't dump crit bonus either.
Reload speed or mobility are the usual dumps for revolver.
mighty python
The current plasma gun I’m using has good stats but the charge rate is 80%. Is that ideal? I saw a guide on steam that said it should be like 71% percent
tall torrent
The current plasma gun I’m using has good stats but the charge rate is 80%. Is t...
If you don’t have multiple million dockets ready to be wasted, don’t bother
Thermal dump is ideal for the financially strained
mighty python
Gotcha, ty
upper jungle
what are the pros and cons of weapons specialist?
tall torrent
what are the pros and cons of weapons specialist?
Pros = guaranteed ranged crit, much better melee
Cons = less damage than FT
tame dragon
Weapons specialist makes the knife feel a lot better. I don't use it too much for the ranged stuff but it can be helpful even on the recon
hollow ibex
WS doesn't really synergize with recon
turbid ibex
recon prefers ft way more
hollow ibex
yeah FT synergizes with anything that does damage lol
tame dragon
Not at all, but I like having the node that gives brittle, at least for the 500 maulers featured in this event
hollow ibex
onslaught also isn't very good, i'm afraid
upper jungle
does the revolver and the chainsword work well with Weapons specialist?
hollow ibex
does the revolver and the chainsword work well with Weapons specialist?
yeah
turbid ibex
revolver is one of the best weapons for ws
tame dragon
Any singleshot weapon works great with ws
turbid ibex
helbore, bolter, laspistol/ilas in question:
upper jungle
is fully loaded worth it with the revolver?
turbid ibex
which one is that?
upper jungle
gives you extra reserve ammo
turbid ibex
ye
revolver and bolter are the two ranged weapons that really want that node
well probably bistol too
upper jungle
what about bring it down? i'm trying to find perks to sacrifice for WS
turbid ibex
bring it down is a must have for pretty much every build
upper jungle
shit
turbid ibex
yes
cloud phoenix
any decent combat shotgun for veteran?
turbid ibex
first of all these weapons
turbid ibex
any decent combat shotgun for veteran?
agri
turbid ibex
first of all these weapons
get flak instead of crit chance on revolver
upper jungle
get flak instead of crit chance on revolver
done
hollow ibex
so run fullbore and flak instead on the CS instead of no respite / cara
cloud phoenix
many thanks
turbid ibex
done
get unyielding and flak on chainsword, replace blessings with shred and wrath
savage sweep doesnt really work that well on vet because you have 0 sources of melee cleave from your tree
upper jungle
savage sweep doesnt really work that well on vet because you have 0 sources of m...
fair enough
turbid ibex
get rid of the wound curio, mutant resistance, corruption resistance and toughness regen
replace one hp curio with toughness and the wound with stamina
so you have one of each
upper jungle
get rid of the wound curio, mutant resistance, corruption resistance and toughne...
perks for stamina curio?
turbid ibex
you can keep the ones in there
but prob replace those health perks with somethng like gunner resist
upper jungle
not mention my vet a bit squish when it comes to health
turbid ibex
toughness will keep you a lot safer
since you can regen it a lot more easily than health
now for the actual tree
upper jungle
wait
hollow ibex
not mention my vet a bit squish when it comes to health
vet moment generally 😭
squishiest class in the game now lol
upper jungle
i can't find a toughness curio sadly
turbid ibex
now for the actual tree
get rid of volley adept, one motion, opening salvo and close quarters killzone, swap leave no one behind with demolition team and competitive urge for the +25 toughness node
then use those points to path through desperado, skirmisher and exploit weakness to reach WS and always prepared
also swapping out FT for WS obviously
turbid ibex
then use those points to path through desperado, skirmisher and exploit weakness...
and also get agile engagement
upper jungle
are the modifiers for WS worth it?
turbid ibex
always prepared is worth for most weapons besides like plasma
the rest not so much
also a big piece of advice
hollow ibex
toughness regen one is ok
turbid ibex
you ALWAYS want to take these talents in red on all builds you can
not taking them is a big damage loss
upper jungle
can you give me a few pointers on how to use this build now?
turbid ibex
keep swapping between your melee and revolver constantly
sprint slide frequently to upkeep skirmisher
also tbh i'd replace infiltrate for exestance
this is what my revolver build would look like
upper jungle
infiltrate is still good, right?
turbid ibex
its eh
upper jungle
imma try it with infiltrate if you don't mind at all
turbid ibex
sure
hollow ibex
imma try it with infiltrate if you don't mind at all
fun but the weakest of the three ults
upper jungle
quick topic: favorite vet personality and why, if anyone's up to share
turbid ibex
cutthroat
unreal nova
quick topic: favorite vet personality and why, if anyone's up to share
Loose Cannon.
upper jungle
exestance with revolver is decent, my only problem is that i'm used to using my gun most of the time
hollow ibex
exestance revolver goes hard
upper jungle
infiltrate's good as long as you're not rushing into a group of enemies
imo at least
hollow ibex
infiltrate's good as long as you're not rushing into a group of enemies
infiltrate's actually great for that
because you get a aoe suppression effect on uncloaking
and enemies are caught off guard
and you get a pretty good damage boost
which you can use to turn frags into mini nukes
behold: stealth bomber
upper jungle
hate it when you get jumped by ragers, i can't be the only one, right?
unreal nova
and you get a pretty good damage boost
You throw them while invis and then break invis.
hollow ibex
You throw them while invis and then break invis.
yeah yeah doesn't really matter
i hadn't perfected my invis fragging back then
thin crystal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5...
Hey how do I get to see my enemy's health bar?
Which setting is that
unreal nova
Hey how do I get to see my enemy's health bar?
Mods.
mighty kestrel
Hey how do I get to see my enemy's health bar?
They all mods, you can see enemy though wall (wallhack) if you want to so with mods tho so
mighty kestrel
Hey how do I get to see my enemy's health bar?
It's "health bars" and "enemy improve" in Nexus, you should get the "enemy improve" one, more information, Mister E have a video on this mod I think 🤔
drowsy perch
Basically cheats
false
olive halo
do yall use deadshot on helbore or nah
I put surgical on mine but it takes forever to build stacks for it so I thought deadshot would be nice to cut down on that time by a good chunk
glad pelican
olive halo
I think atp it'll be leaning more towards infiltrate rather than the gun
turbid ibex
do yall use deadshot on helbore or nah
No
grand perch
Yeh
willow prairie
deadshot on nothing
turbid ibex
deadshot on nothing
dry cloak
combat shotty
hearty panther
💪 these bad boys
olive halo
💪 these bad boys
honestly same, but Im trying to make my ranged build not feel utterly miserable so Im in here trying to get opinions
olive halo
combat shotty
slugs?
hearty panther
guns for me are either fun or utility
i dont really put that much focus into them anymore
olive halo
fair enough
olive halo
yee thats the slug mark
dry cloak
no its not
olive halo
?
dry cloak
agripinna is slug
olive halo
oh damn
dry cloak
good enough for what i want it to do
olive halo
welp it is what it is
tbh I think im just gonna give up on playing ranged veteran and probs not touch havoc w/ this character
meleemaxxing is the real way to play the game
tame dragon
I like using range and melee hybrid
This game just ain't built for pure ranged sadly
dry cloak
This game just ain't built for pure ranged sadly
any ,,tide,, game never will be
melee weapon is label as primary for a reason
tame dragon
They got some pretty fun options for melee at least. I love the knife
olive halo
just give up on havoc
so far Ive been handling havoc fine, but I haven't gotten too far. I do eventually wanna beat 40 at least once just for the penance
somber axle
do yall use deadshot on helbore or nah
No. Reciprocity and Surgical are enough for me even on the Mk V variant. You're charging shots anyway and at +10% crit every 0.3 seconds if you aim for 1 seconds that's 30% crit on top of Vet 10% base and +25% from Reciprocity already putting your crit chance at 65% just for one second of aiming
I only do Deadshot for funny Recon Mk XII memes with Dum Dum/Deathspitter and Withering Fire to offset the 2 ammo per shot cost
It's really not necessary on anything
Anything that wants crit has better/easier ways to get it either from Weapon Specialist and/or Reciprocity, or from blessings like Surgical/Headhunter
olive halo
I like using range and melee hybrid
that's what Ive been doing for the most part, either entirely focused melee builds and sometimes hybrid because focusing on just using my gun to snipe stuff has been pretty bad
but what people recommend on havoc veteran is to take out ranged enemies but you barely get like half a second to aim before some melee enemy is knocking on your skull
somber axle
Helbore always wants to be charging shots and the only exception is tap firing heads on the Mk IV to clear non-elite shooters but you will still be lining up shots and aiming down sights so you will naturally build your crits through fighting like normal
olive halo
melee weapon is label as primary for a reason
true, though in vermintide melee combat was practically mandatory, in this game you can use your ranged weapon for quite a while, and you did have things like scum shooting the entire mission before they realized how bad that is
hollow ibex
honestly mk iv uncharged shots delete most human sized elites already lol
olive halo
They got some pretty fun options for melee at least. I love the knife
knife funny speed but its horde clear is lacking a lot, what's ur trick for it?
just shredder grenades or?
somber axle
honestly mk iv uncharged shots delete most human sized elites already lol
On 1 tap? 
hollow ibex
knife funny speed but its horde clear is lacking a lot, what's ur trick for it?
bleed knife helps a lot
hollow ibex
On 1 tap? <:Eyes:650032376734416975>
yeh but ragers might need 2
olive halo
No. Reciprocity and Surgical are enough for me even on the Mk V variant. You're ...
tbh I don't think I ever got the full 5 stacks from reciprocity when im trying to shoot stuff with the helbore, but I get your point
hollow ibex
depends on build
somber axle
Crit headshot Exe Stance MMF putting in the work for sure
olive halo
Anything that wants crit has better/easier ways to get it either from Weapon Spe...
yeah I am using surgical but I dont think I ever made use of the crit from WS except on revolver
somber axle
tbh I don't think I ever got the full 5 stacks from reciprocity when im trying t...
What difficulty? I'm usually sitting at max stacks through most of Auric HiSTG and Auric Mael runs
I hardly ever notice it drop off and when it does I end up stacking it back up fast
But I also play more aggressive so I end up needing to dodge more
olive halo
honestly mk iv uncharged shots delete most human sized elites already lol
tbh a lot of the time even a fully charged mk4 shot doesn't kill them because you gotta move a lot, and have very little time for aiming so it ends up being a body shot
not to mention if they're moving too
somber axle
I need to give another look to the Mk IV when I get home and play with the tap firing more
olive halo
bleed knife helps a lot
like lacerate? flesh tearer? or the bleed talent?
olive halo
What difficulty? I'm usually sitting at max stacks through most of Auric HiSTG a...
I haven't taken this to maelstrom since Im just testing it on regular auric first
honestly it might just be the fact that its the helbore, might have a better time if I use infantry lasgun or vigilant autogun
hollow ibex
I need to give another look to the Mk IV when I get home and play with the tap f...
i prefer mk5 anyway lol
hollow ibex
like lacerate? flesh tearer? or the bleed talent?
i only use knife on melee builds
so serrated blade, uncanny strike, flesh tearer and weapon spec
on mk3
tho you can use the same on mk6, i just like mk3 more
for ranged buids i usually run falch or taxe
those two are much better sidearms
somber axle
i prefer mk5 anyway lol
Same
brave acorn
honestly it might just be the fact that its the helbore, might have a better tim...
Inf las has a pretty serious damage output
hollow ibex
I rarely ever see someone run that
it's very mid, but has a niche as a melee sidearm
somber axle
I haven't taken this to maelstrom since Im just testing it on regular auric firs...
Helbores feel like a weapon you should generally backline with but quickplay is very tricky for coordinating with randoms. They're good teachers tho because they'll help you learn to fight without a dedicated frontline to cover you for Helbore
Once you get extra comfy with it you can play more aggressive
Infantry Lasgun is still very solid though
olive halo
Inf las has a pretty serious damage output
yeah I might use the ilg because I still kinda wanna get use out of shock trooper, but I did want to use something that could deal with armor and bosses so the helbore was supposed to be that
somber axle
Just still weak to Flak in close range
dry cloak
very reliable
tame dragon
knife funny speed but its horde clear is lacking a lot, what's ur trick for it?
Dodge and keep slashing. The mark VI with fleshrender helps a lot with clearing them out. I run smoke grenades to keep the ranged enemies off my ass and my team if they understand to get inside it
olive halo
Helbores feel like a weapon you should generally backline with but quickplay is ...
yeah it does feel like it has no personal defence and Im regularly forced to switch back to melee
tragic
olive halo
dont dicount shockmaul
lowkey I dont think I ever went back to the shock maul after getting its mastery penance
dry cloak
will it kill fast? no
will it kill crushers within reason ? yes
will it keep you safe with immense stagger? also yes
difference between marks is mostly preferance of moveset
olive halo
fair enough
dry cloak
mk3 is better for sidearm
olive halo
Ive been using the psword, dsword, chaxe and sometimes shovel
toxic reef
shock maul is p fun on zealot
olive halo
try heavy sword of you have power weapon ranged
aw hell nah
out of all the weapons I tried when I was doing their masteries, hsword is the one I have a very strong opinion on
and that is a negative opinion
brave acorn
yeah I might use the ilg because I still kinda wanna get use out of shock troope...
Yeah it won’t do anything against armor. I typically run a power melee weapon for carapace
dry cloak
everyone has a weapon the dont like
tame dragon
It's the duelling sword for me. Not because it's bad. I believe it can be strong. I hate the way it looks.
olive halo
aesthetic is very important believe it or not
I forgot which game it was, but there was 2 identical weapons (code wise), and the one with a better model and sfx had a higher winrate
^ tommy gun was the winner iirc
tame dragon
It's the goofy little stance it makes you take while using it. Thankfully the knife has uncanny strike so it can do mostly the same stuff
tame dragon
i dont like vets shovel
I could never figure out how to use it. I tried
hearty panther
still good enough for me to dig ur grave with
olive halo
mk3 is better for sidearm
I think ima go with the mk3, its moveset is a lot nicer
hollow ibex
still good enough for me to dig ur grave with
@mods
tame dragon
I'll give the shockmaul a try. I'm using the recon lasgun with shock trooper so it might be good to have around with all these damn maulers
olive halo
I just realized, why is the zoom on ads for vigilant autogun way more than the helbore??
they're both iron sights
hollow ibex
I'll give the shockmaul a try. I'm using the recon lasgun with shock trooper so ...
don't expect too much out of smaul lol
obtuse crypt
hey guys im a veteran who like using the chainsword i just wondered what blessings do u prefer on it?
is bloodletter any good or am i better off with rampage and cleave
olive halo
I put wrath and shred on mine, idk if thats any better though
obtuse crypt
should defo replace wrath with savage sweep much more cleave
olive halo
they're both 200%, its just about how long they last and how you activate it
so hammer of the emperor recommends savage sweep on the mk4, and wrath on the mk13g
obtuse crypt
also i havent played in a while is the lagun nerfed bc i feel like its really bad
especially since recon lasgun exists, recon lasgun with onslaught and infernus just shreds everything so fast
which makes the infantery lasgun feel just so slow in its ttk
hollow ibex
should defo replace wrath with savage sweep much more cleave
savage sweep's proc condition is bad
esp on vet
hollow ibex
especially since recon lasgun exists, recon lasgun with onslaught and infernus j...
unfortunately, onslaught is not very good
obtuse crypt
unfortunately, onslaught is not very good
how is it not?
hollow ibex
how is it not?
it really only matters against crushers, and even then recon las sucks against crushers
you're better off spending that point somewhere else
brave acorn
which makes the infantery lasgun feel just so slow in its ttk
It has very strong weak spot and rewards precision shooting. The fact is that recon is probably the better gun overall
It hurts to admit that
obtuse crypt
It hurts to admit that
yeah i really like both but the standard one is just way cooler kinda sucks recon outshines it
obtuse crypt
it really only matters against crushers, and even then recon las sucks against c...
thats kinda debatable
tame lodge
Not really
obtuse crypt
its a good dmg increase to all armored targets and it also help your team doing more dmg too
obtuse crypt
i have the game open with onslaught 1900 dps on mauler wouthout 1500 -1700
hollow ibex
its a good dmg increase to all armored targets and it also help your team doing ...
it provides a damage boost against other targets yes, but not enough to justify the opportunity cost. it's crushers it makes a big difference on, but recon las crusher dps is always bad
obtuse crypt
how is that conisfered bad
u tell me 200-300 more dps wont matter if u have 10 maulers swarming u?
tame lodge
It's a 3700 HP enemy
hollow ibex
you should prob have your melee out for 10 maulers
tame lodge
And you only dealt 1900 damage
You shot a whole mag too right?
So you'll be using
20 mags
For 10 maulers
obtuse crypt
You shot a whole mag too right?
a whole mag?
tame lodge
Yeah how did you get 1900 dps
obtuse crypt
took 16 bullets
from 225
i can kill a whole group of maulers without reloading so idk what u mean
distant plaza
if it took you more than one shot
you weren't using a jakobs
obtuse crypt
ok show me how to one shot a mauler with recon lasgun
tame lodge
Wait
Onslaught is 2.5
Stacks 16 times
So you shot 16 times
And only got 40% when you stopped
obtuse crypt
prob shot more than 16 times bc i have high crit and shocktrooper
it just consumed 16 ammo
tame lodge
That's 16+ shots too many
Just use your melee dawg
Save yourself a talent point
Drop Onslaught
tame lodge
Just use your melee dawg
.
tame lodge
Save yourself a talent point
.
tame lodge
Drop Onslaught
.
hollow ibex
vs. maulers. first one is onslaught. second one i swapped onslaught for killzone
like i said, onslaught really only matters against crushers
obtuse crypt
i dont like to rely on killzone tbh
tame lodge
Actually
hollow ibex
i have a 99% uptime on kz when i play
hollow ibex
what's not to like about kz, besides it being mid
obtuse crypt
i have a 99% uptime on kz when i play
im not that good tbh
tame lodge
After all
They put it in the game
If it's in the game, it's to be used
And Fatshark knows what they are doing
tribal tangle
Best blessings/perks for plasma these days?
obtuse crypt
actually i would say they dont bc onslaught kinda is op, and it makes high armor dmg guns like bolter look not so appealing bc they require more skill
lasguns are just point and click
tame lodge
No, the changes to plasma didn't change how you still use it
obtuse crypt
and have basicly unlimted ammo
tribal tangle
Fatshark knows what they are doing
https://youtu.be/vCSP1THD9cA?si=Re_DEx2m8tNGv9Sy Fatshark KNOWS what they're doing
tame lodge
actually i would say they dont bc onslaught kinda is op, and it makes high armor...
That's the thing though
You're running Onslaught on a mediocre weapon
So tries to perform like an actual good weapon
hollow ibex
lasguns are just point and click
recon las is the definition of a high skill floor, low skill ceiling gun
hollow ibex
and onslaught only really works on the Mk XII
tame lodge
Fatshark knows what they are doing
hollow ibex
which is the worst of the recon las
turbid ibex
recon las is the definition of a high skill floor, low skill ceiling gun
Recon is high skill floor?
obtuse crypt
and onslaught only really works on the Mk XII
i like it lol
hollow ibex
there we go
obtuse crypt
the fast fire rate is insane with crit and infernus
turbid ibex
the fast fire rate is insane with crit and infernus
Not really because there is a cap to how much burn you can stack
obtuse crypt
Fatshark wants you too run Onslaught
i feel like your saying i shouldnt run onslaughtbc u have personal problems with it instead of it ebing bad
^^
tame lodge
Fatshark doesn't want to care about it
turbid ibex
It is bad
tame lodge
i feel like your saying i shouldnt run onslaughtbc u have personal problems with...
No it's actually bad
But don't worry
Fatshark wants you to run it
hollow ibex
Fatshark doesn't want to care about it
they prob don't even remember what it is
tame lodge
So run it
hollow ibex
adms? is it a crayon flavor?
tame lodge
Because Fatshark knows what they are doing
hollow ibex
obtuse crypt
why so hostile tho
tame lodge
So run Onslaught
Because Fatshark knows what they are doing
And they don't want you to care about
Adms
Brittleness
Rending
If Fatshark wanted you to care about it
They would explain it
But since they don't
turbid ibex
why so hostile tho
Higui has found his joke for the rest of the week
tame lodge
They want you to just run it
And Fatshark knows what they are doing
So you should just do it
obtuse crypt
so can anyone who is not having a stroke can explain to me how onslaught is bad compared to not have it and what would be the laternative
tame lodge
The alternative would be using a better weapon
Or your melee
Why shoot too much when 1 shot does the job
But don't worry about it
Fatshark wants you to shoot a lot
Otherwise they wouldn't put Recons in the game
And Fatshark knows what they are doing
So run Onslaught dawg
Be happy
obtuse crypt
i like lasguns so whats the problem
turbid ibex
so can anyone who is not having a stroke can explain to me how onslaught is bad ...
Running a better weapon, kraks, swapping to your melee
All of which will be much more effective at dealing with crushers
tame lodge
You don't have to know that recons have 75% adm towards flak
turbid ibex
Revolver, plasma, helbore, etc
tame lodge
So you don't need to know how much brittleness helps it
Because Fatshark doesn't want you to
So don't worry about
obtuse crypt
Revolver, plasma, helbore, etc
i dont really like any of those
turbid ibex
Though unfortunately the vast majority of ranged weapons are not really that good against carapace
obtuse crypt
You don't have to know that recons have 75% adm towards flak
what does adm mean
turbid ibex
Like for vet its pretty much just helbore and maybe revolver if you have hand cannon
turbid ibex
what does adm mean
Armor damage modifier
Basically the multiplier that determines how much damage your attack will do against that specific armor type (maniac, flak, carapace etc)
Rending and brittleness increase that multiplier until it reaches 1x (the majority of adms are below 1)
tame lodge
0% adm against carapace
Huh
This can't be real right
How's recon 0% against carapace
Brautos are like
1% something
turbid ibex
Chainsword is also 0%
tawny badger
oh yeah the lasguns are distinctly ineffective against carapace
turbid ibex
Helbore
tawny badger
Chainsword is also 0%
tame lodge
Even the iLas is like 1% something
But tbf
They say that a bunch of ilases can kill a spaez Mareens
And normally they use ceramite
Yeah?
misty belfry
Fatshark knows what they are doing
Do not question our holy overlords
tame lodge
Sir yes sir
misty belfry
It's all part of the great plan :)
tawny badger
carapace can be made of ceramite but also armaplas and/or other stuff
prolly just using some non-ceramite material
tame lodge
Anyways
Recon adms are ranging from 65% to 109% depending on target and distance on all the targets for that matter
tawny badger
I forgot damage falloff was a thing icl
tame lodge
Meaning it's only ever worth running Onslaught for carapace
But you shouldn't shoot carapace with recons
But fuck that
obtuse crypt
isince someone said the fast shooting lasgun is bad which one is better the medium or slow fire rate one
tame lodge
But fuck that
Fatshark wants you to shoot carapace anyways
Otherwise they wouldn't put it in the game
And Fatshark knows what they are doing
tame lodge
isince someone said the fast shooting lasgun is bad which one is better the medi...
Often the Vic
Aka medium
Good rof, good damage, good ammo usage
The heavy one has a niche build
But costs more to shoot
Has slower rof
tawny badger
the high rof one is alright if you're an Onslaught merchant
then again all the recons get a lot of mileage off of Onslaught
grand perch
turbid ibex
isince someone said the fast shooting lasgun is bad which one is better the medi...
medium has the best balance of each
hollow ibex
heavy is basically good on only one build lol
but it is very good on that build
as recon las goes at least
nova carbon
Does the death cheese for the on overwatch pennance still work?
dry cloak
Does the death cheese for the on overwatch pennance still work?
technicznie
nova carbon
technicznie
Dobra - muszę kiedyś odchaczyć . Najtrudniejszy jaki mi został
dry cloak
ogarnij se 3 madafakerów
bierzesz plazme
idziesz na pocią
wysadzasz sie
oni grają
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somber axle
yeah it does feel like it has no personal defence and Im regularly forced to swi...
Yeah but you can get away with bayoneting things if it isn't too dense. Plus it is always fun to bayonet a pox hound with the thrust
olive halo
like 6 minutes ago I finished a mission and I had 2 of the 3 deaths trying to use the weapon
somber axle
Helbores don't have nearly the same fun as before when melee perks and melee weapon blessings were applying to the bayonet too but they're still ok for taking care of the odd problem here and there
olive halo
like atp Im starting to think Im being gaslit lmao
silver patrol
simply play behind your team
tender hill
Helbores don't have nearly the same fun as before when melee perks and melee wea...
I miss when the bayonet was pretty decent for horde clear
somber axle
it provides a damage boost against other targets yes, but not enough to justify ...
It was sub-par even before the Crusher HP bonus but at least passable with meme trees for goofing off. I remember funny builds that would use pre-buff Recon to kill a Crusher with 3.6k-4k+ DPS while only using 4-6 ammo but it was super dumb. Now even despite the Recon buffs it isn't worth doing anymore. Too much has changed and it was questionable before. It's wasting time and ammo now
But the Recon balance is better now as a more versatile tool so it's fine and one of the good weapons to take into Havocs so I can't complain
Can perform solid against most targets other than Carapace and that's fine
somber axle
I miss when the bayonet was pretty decent for horde clear
Same and I remember seeing people post funny memes of going all melee no shooting runs on Helbores LOL
Helbore Dueling a boss
Affix bayonets
somber axle
like atp Im starting to think Im being gaslit lmao
Helbore requires a lot of practice to make it work. And you have to be very comfortable with handling pressure solo for quickplay queues. It is amazing for coordinated content like Havocs but if you're pugging you will have very mixed results
You will feel like the weapon is getting you hurt more than your team
I wouldn't recommend it if you want chill games
tribal tangle
Darktide is more melee than ranged generally
olive halo
You will feel like the weapon is getting you hurt more than your team
Pretty much yeah, it felt like I was nerfing myself
somber axle
You will end up suffering and unless you like suffering you should go with another weapon
olive halo
Back to the vigilant autogun it is
Cuz somehow that one actually has a better sight and ads than any of the lasguns
somber axle
It is not like Plasma or Revolver letting you quick swap and adapt on the fly
Helbore wants to hard commit when you swap ranged so it requires a lot more emphasis on positioning
olive halo
I don't often use the plasma or revolver either
hollow ibex
It was sub-par even before the Crusher HP bonus but at least passable with meme ...
yeah the onslaught recon las crusher ttk is pretty sad now
olive halo
My fav gun is the bolter, it snipes, it melts, it eats more ammo than the entire team combined
tawny badger
how fatshark was feeling giving one of the most precision-reliant weapons in the entire game the shittiest iron sights humanly possible
https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171
olive halo
REAL
somber axle
yeah the onslaught recon las crusher ttk is pretty sad now
I think it was a good choice. It was clown behavior then, it is clown behavior now. But the clowning is more obvious and should deter people from it
hollow ibex
I think it was a good choice. It was clown behavior then, it is clown behavior n...
it should but it really doesn't
somber axle
I think when people see others instagibbing Crushers with one two punches from the Power Sword while they spend 20 seconds uselessly spraying a Crusher they'll begin to see the difference naturally
But they have to fail until they can see someone succeed
Even if you go full Psykanium Warrior set ups the TTK is awful
And on genuine builds it is worse
olive halo
how fatshark was feeling giving one of the most precision-reliant weapons in the...
hold on I got a better gif than this
