veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[turbid ibex]

lol

[willow prairie]

they usually block your frontline

[old prism]

you can't cleave carapace no

[fading canopy]

yea

damn

[willow prairie]

sunder

[fading canopy]

i thought power sword was cool

[sly orchid]

only with sunder or perfect strike

[old prism]

oh that is what you are talking about

[sly orchid]

hamdol noob

[fading canopy]

but ive been meta whoring...

damn...

[old prism]

I thought you were talking about 16.2 cleave lol

[hollow ibex]

the way i see it, if something has carapace, i won't be using the horde clear combo

[willow prairie]

if only perfect strike isn't on like fucking ogryn and evis only

[turbid ibex]

its legit one of if not the best melee in the game

[hollow ibex]

i'm going to using the single target combo

[sly orchid]

give relic blade perfect strike lol

[willow prairie]

it's more for mixed horde

[hollow ibex]

ig if there's 20 maulers tho, light spam does help

[willow prairie]

aka mauler + tons of rager + trash on your ass

[tall torrent]

Also smth people don’t know is that power sword energized heavies’ stagger doesn’t decay across cleaved enemies

[fading canopy]

well now im sad

[tawny badger]

they finally put out a cosmetic that looks fire and makes it 1.5x the normal head cosmetic price
fatshark when I ffffffucking get you

[toxic reef]

well it is golden skulls so

[willow prairie]

saltzpyre drip

[fading canopy]

since power sword is broken is it aura loss

is it lamer than dueling sword tho

[agile mango]

this the right setup for laspistol?

[turbid ibex]

nah

power sword actually requires you to be good at melee

[turbid ibex]

use dumdum instead of desperado

[tall torrent]

no

DS is basically negative aura

[fading canopy]

why is power sword more aura thanm ds

[turbid ibex]

power sword actually demands you have good fundamentals

in other words

you need to git gud at melee

[tall torrent]

because u need to actually be competent at melee to use it well

[fading canopy]

but ds is bad at horde clear

power sword is good at like everything

except moving

[tall torrent]

power sword also blows up from getting hit unless u use stance

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. That's actually a big deal.

You have to commit to a fight with power sword.

Its the one thing balancing it out actually.

[fading canopy]

so its not completely broken

[turbid ibex]

that and power cycler tax

[tall torrent]

it gives u enough damage to dps check most things if u know how to melee, but it also blows up incredibly hard from any mistake u do

[fading canopy]

so high skill weapon

[willow prairie]

more like play vermintide 2 weapon

you will be good at melee

[tall torrent]

my recommendation is to practice 6 dreg rager no hit melee-only in meat grinder with creature spawner mod

[fading canopy]

seems easy enough

im doing good with the power sword tbh its just

i didn’t know it was broken

[hybrid plover]

It very much is, just balanced by how much a situation can snowball if you fuck up.

[tall torrent]

this is my melee weapon tier list (items within the same tier are in alphabetical order, no internal ranking within the same tier)

Tier 0
Combat Axe (III) - Hive Scum
Force Greatsword (both) - Psyker
Power Maul - Ogryn
Power Sword (VI) - Veteran

Tier 1
Arbites Shock Maul - Arbitrator
Assault Chainaxe (XII) - every other class
Combat Axe (III) - every other class
Combat Blade (VI) - all
Crusher - all
Delver's Pickaxe (all) - Ogryn
Duelling Sword (all) - all
Force Sword (II, IV) - Psyker
Heavy Sword (all) - Hive Scum
Relic Blade (both) - Zealot
Shivs (I) - Hive Scum
Tactical Axe (VII) - all

Tier 1.5
Assault Chainaxe (XII) - Psyker
Assault Chainsword (both) - Hive Scum
Battle Maul & Shield - Ogryn
"Devil's Claw" Sword (VII) - Hive Scum
Sapper Shovel (I) - Veteran
Shock Maul & Shield (both) - Arbitrator
Heavy Sword (all) - every other class

Tier 2
Assault Chainsword (both) - every other class
Bully Club (all) - Ogryn
Cleaver (III, IV) - Ogryn
Crowbar - Hive Scum
Heavy Eviscerator (XV) - Zealot
Latrine Shovel (all) - Ogryn
Power Falchion (both) - Veteran
Shock Maul (both) - all
Thunder Hammer (II) - Zealot

Tier 3
Bone Saw - Hive Scum
"Devil's Claw" Sword (VII) - every other class

[fading canopy]

bone saw is ass ??

[turbid ibex]

i wonder what the ranged version of this list would look like

[hybrid plover]

Gives up too much of what makes a melee weapon good to be a DoT propagator.

[tame lodge]

Only Fatshark would be capable of making paid weapons ass

[fading canopy]

hive scum truly bottom 1

[tame lodge]

(ignore arrowhead)

[fading canopy]

So according to this both my favourite melees are uber broken

I’m sad now

[tame lodge]

Just ignore it dawg

[tall torrent]

which 2

[fading canopy]

fgs and power sword

😿

they’re so fun

[tame lodge]

Just use them dawg

[hybrid plover]

I feel like

Mk6 knife on scum

Is contender for tier 0

[tall torrent]

FGS yes
power sword slightly more reasonable

[tall torrent]

I agree

but also knife is cringe

[hybrid plover]

It's insanely good.

But rashad

Is also cringe

[tall torrent]

rashad has sprint cancel which makes it based

knife is just mobility creep = cringe

[errant carbon]

FGS (Mk6) at least is very fun to use
I hate power sword and switching it back on constantly

[tall torrent]

FGS is one of the worst designed melee weapons in the game

[errant carbon]

Why, because of the power wave?

[tall torrent]

it's not good as a sword and is carried by assail and warp slash

no actual moveset either

[fair shale]

Yeah but have you considered moonlight greatsword cool

[errant carbon]

Mk6 moveset is fine

[tall torrent]

mk6 no moveset

mk8 has slight resemblance of a moveset

[errant carbon]

How are we defining moveset here

[hollow ibex]

isn't mk6 just light spam and heavy spam lol

[errant carbon]

That's Mk8
Mk6 at least has to use a heavy once in a while into hordes

[hollow ibex]

no mk8 ST requires PA

[tawny badger]

finally got back to using the IIa revovler and daaaaamn I forgot how good it felt

[tall torrent]

no mixed horde stagger (except warp slash)
no stamina burn for mixed horde or single target
majority light spam into most enemies + swap cancel

[torpid grotto]

Who da hell is Qq canceling fgs

[hearty panther]

its me

its always me

"who the fuck does [niche bullshit with marginal or even no benefit whatsoever]" the answer is always exploits

[hollow ibex]

and macro users

[torpid grotto]

They qq da Deimos

He who shall not be named….

[tawny badger]

"oh boy I cant wait to use my revolver build"
lights out:

https://tenor.com/view/mark-phillips-instiagtor-gif-22728638

[sly orchid]

imagine not being able to play the game in lights out

couldnt be me...

[hybrid plover]

Mister E can't.

So he uses Reshade

[sly orchid]

oh yeah

he cheats in outlines lmao

[errant carbon]

imagine if you could put a flashlight on a gun

[sly orchid]

like imagine being so ass

[hybrid plover]

He's just become increasingly lame.

[sly orchid]

when you can flank literally every enemy

lights out means enemies also have a lesser line of sight

and people refuse to abuse it

[hollow ibex]

well your revolver build uses exec stance

right?

right??

[jovial yarrow]

💦

[hearty panther]

AKTUALLY i quell cancel deimos

[tawny badger]

ephrael and his chud daughter

[fading canopy]

w \

[fading canopy]

thats not a smoke grenade..

[turbid ibex]

yeah thats his chud daughter

[tall torrent]

the new enemies_improved mod actually makes it playable

lol just see hp diamonds/bars in the dark

[torpid grotto]

Always outlining specialists is pretty much a cheat, but whatever

Audio is broken, so I won’t complain it’s unfair

[willow prairie]

I use emperor lantern

so it feel less cheaty

you kinda get either a flashlight or light surround your character

[tall torrent]

I hav dat turned off

my display looks like this rn

[sly orchid]

nut bar

[tall torrent]

I want the bar turned off and just display diamond + remaining health

[torpid grotto]

Give into temptation

[tall torrent]

nah that's just cheap to me

I have exe stance for a reason

[torpid grotto]

No one will ever know

[tall torrent]

I do have special atk outline tho

just for the maulers overheading inside bulwarks

[torpid grotto]

Fair honestly

[tall torrent]

but that outline only shows up during special atk

[torpid grotto]

The full attack outlines suite is so op lmao

[tall torrent]

it doesn't do anything outside of that

[tall torrent]

perma outline is just cringe to me

[torpid grotto]

I played a game with it, highlighting all shooters aggrod on you is insane

[hybrid plover]

People who ask what's the issue with enemy outlines in this game have never played with a exe stance vet who actually has the mettle for it.

I played with a.a with his pillager build and he was disgusting

Any elite I saw was just dead before I could even interact with it lmaoooo

[toxic bear]

Hey guys for those who do higher difficulty, is it true I should use MK6 power sword or can I keep using chain sword as a viable weapon, I also use infantry lasgun

[hybrid plover]

Chainsword is viable. That's the biggest merit it can amass.

You just have to find a ranged weapon that fits it.

[narrow frost]

All weapons are viable in any difficulty, some will outperfom others with their strengths and often having less weaknesses. It will just take a little more skill to perform with the less overpowered weapons

Use what you find fun

[somber axle]

Chainsword struggles against Carapace so you'll want Krak grenades and potentially a ranged weapon that can offset that in a pinch
Power Sword Mk VI is Vet's strongest melee and can kill hordes, mixed hordes, anti-armour and anti-boss with the only weakness being mobility

You can keep using Chainsword but you'll need to be prepared to handle Crusher squads rolling in and it's best to have a loadout that can handle any type of enemy

You really don't want to rely on the thought of one of the other three members of the team taking care of a particular enemy type ever

[worn rose]

damn ive been sleeping on power sword
i always assumed that it and power falchion are kinda the same thing, just some minor stat changes
but damn, didnt know the difference was huge

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun and Chainsword are both weak into Carapace so Krak grenades are the big choice there for helping deal with Crushers for sure

[toxic bear]

@somber axle I started using power and it is fun but I find I use its ability less than chain

[somber axle]

Power Sword wants Power Cycler IV blessing to function

Without the blessing it's probably one of the weaker weapons you can use

That blessing makes it top tier

[toxic bear]

I slapped 25%+ dmg to carapace as a blessing for my lasgun but I do also use Krak gernades

[quiet lark]

even with carapace perk you will not do damage to crushers / carapace with the inflas

(don't shoot them)

[toxic bear]

Bet I’ll look into it, I just love swords in general and infantry lasgun is fun, if I’m drinking I’ll do uprising for fun but higher difficulty I gotta lock in lol I can clear hordes melee then swap to my gun pretty quick to wipe out elites coming in

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun has too weak armour damage modifiers into Carapace even with +25% Cara perk

[toxic bear]

Oh dang

[somber axle]

If you really want to focus on Chainsword/Infantry Lasgun I'd probably double down on grenade talents

Grenadier/Demo Team/Demo Stockpile

Just so you can have more kraks whenever you need

[toxic bear]

Bet, I will say also I absolutely love the ability to revive team mates with my F ability

It has been a saving grace in so many instances lol

[somber axle]

Revive shout is funny and I've read that someone used it to save someone from a Daemonhost by cancelling the kill animation

[worn rose]

that's cursed lmao

[somber axle]

I haven't played with it enough to see that situation happen in a game yet but if it works that's hilarious

[toxic bear]

That’s funny, if I’m super desperate Iv even used it to stop a hound a split second from mauling me lmao

Just aura farming train mission, the horde right behind me and hound mid air as my backs to em and I emperor shout sending them all back

[somber axle]

I've seen a few Vets use it to smooth out an almost team wipe before while trying to do the Terminus Warrant penances on Arbites so it definitely ends up useful in Auric/Maelstrom pugs

It definitely comes in clutch

[toxic bear]

Yeah usually one person even with randoms can clear while one is down but like with the twins Iv had a few instances where it’s so thick that ability is the only reason we survive

I couldn’t imagine playing without it

[worn rose]

i haven't used that subtalent on VoC yet, but i wonder since it "revives teammates"
if someone is falling off a ledge, do they automatically get the strength to pull themselves up alone? that would be funny lol

[toxic bear]

I actually don’t know I haven’t had a instance where Iv payed attention enough to see that

[somber axle]

idk if that works but I've seen it used to save people who didn't walk down past a ledge with the team and got downed while on that ledge still

the radius is very generous

can't get back up there? no worries just yell at them instead

[toxic bear]

Its main use is if someone is getting absolutely obliterated by 3 maulers in full armor and I do a hit n run with it lol

[worn rose]

lol

[toxic bear]

If a vet has that ability and there’s also a Ogryn Iv found that there isn’t much that can stop someone from being saved lol

Speaking of, is my best bet Reddit for finding a skill tree? I’m confident in mine but unless my random teammates are capable even heresy can be trouble, then again I should just squad up here, another reason I joined cause I eventually wanna do auric and stuff

[somber axle]

I usually run Exe Stance so I grab No One Left Behind and put Revive Speed perks on my curios for lightning fast revives

[toxic bear]

That’s fair

[somber axle]

It's definitely overkill but it has made it a lot smoother for getting someone up in the middle of a fight

[worn rose]

i dont think ive ever used rev speed on my curios

[somber axle]

I also run Gunner Resist and either Toughness perks or Corruption Resist depending on the Maelstrom modifier

[worn rose]

toughness, ability regen, and stamina regen

[somber axle]

pox gas without corruption resist is so painful

[worn rose]

on all 3

[toxic reef]

check pinned guide

it has everything you need really

[toxic bear]

Ty!

[somber axle]

Pinned guide also has weapon details too for all ranged/melee weapons on Vet and Zealot

[toxic bear]

And yeah my VoC is kinda stacked for my team cause i all took the bonus toughness replenishment and stuff

[somber axle]

Optimal perks/blessings and what dump stat to leave at 60%

[toxic bear]

Bet, I’ll have to look at that sometime

[somber axle]

Including the best combos for single target and AoE on melee weapons

[toxic bear]

I’ll max out power sword anyways just so I have that option and it’s fun anyways

[strange crow]

Unless redditors have had a major jump in IQ, reddit likely won't be of much help for optimizing stuff

From what I hear ofc

[toxic bear]

Bet thanks for the advice!

[toxic reef]

the class channels here will be able to help you with any class really

[toxic bear]

I know there isn’t much of a “meta” but also kind of is for some things and I just wanted to see what to grind out for when I do get into higher difficulties

[somber axle]

Youtubers and reddit are awkward sources because they tend to end up spreading misinformation a lot of the time and are confused about how the game works

[toxic reef]

depending on the video they can also be outdated

[toxic bear]

Also I have the Magistratum patrol outfit and I love it so much, I also feel unique cause I got it forever ago and since I began playing again I haven’t found a single other person with it lol, I look like a Walmart space marine

[strange crow]

Well if you're levelling up power sword that's the right move since it's the best vet melee by far

[toxic bear]

Bet

[somber axle]

I think the closest thing to a meta for Vet was gold shout Plasma? But like you can kinda run anything including into high Havocs with enough skill

[toxic reef]

it's somewhat common since they introduced 3 more colors to it

[somber axle]

someone here was saying they would routinely take Infantry Lasgun into Havoc 40s

even despite the weakness to Flak/Cara

[toxic bear]

Dang I need to see them in shop cause I’d love a new color lol I have the black and yellow, I’d love a black and red with this full combat suit style

[somber axle]

I prefer Helbore Mk V Exe Stance Marksman's Focus

[toxic bear]

Yeah that’s abt to be me lol my squad here will hate me then love me for my stupidly buffed VoC

[toxic reef]

yeah they left shop late last year

there was red, white, and blue variants

[tall torrent]

stance is best vet ult atm imo

[toxic reef]

3 separate ones

[toxic bear]

Dang that’s so upsetting I missed that lol I would of got the red in a instant

[toxic reef]

so 4 total colors

[somber axle]

I remember them saying that it was very solid for running into Dreg seeds/maps where you don't see Flak so often

You end up being able to take out Vet's highest priority targets for the most part

Everything else you want to melee anyway

[toxic bear]

What’s recommended for curios? I know next to nothing abt them

I have scrap of scripture and gilded fragment, haven’t filled my third slot yet

[tall torrent]

name doesn't matter

just blessing and perk

[somber axle]

At least 1 HP curio so bursters don't instagib you then either 2 toughness, 1 toughness/1 stam, or a second HP curio and 1 toughness depending on taste

No wound curios ever

[toxic bear]

Oh bet, mine give +2 stamina and the other +11% toughness

[somber axle]

And tbh unless you want to goof off in casual Auric games I wouldn't do more than 1 stam curio

[strange crow]

You usually want 1 health curio to reach >200 hp, and usually 2 toughness or maybe 1 stam if your weapon eats stamina

[toxic bear]

Ok

[tall torrent]

200 is decent for learning but not required

[strange crow]

Oh fair enough

[toxic bear]

What even is auric, isn’t it just a difficulty? I just hit 29 haven’t hit 30 yet

[tall torrent]

auric is damnation difficulty with extra spawns

[somber axle]

Yeah the last normal mode difficulty

[worn rose]

well cool, first mission to try out the VoC, i join into a match where im the only person left and as soon as i join i die in 1 second lmao
i guess the game is telling me no

[somber axle]

Before Maelstroms/Havoc

[toxic bear]

Bet, yeah since I came back there was two entire new modes lol

[strange crow]

Auric was in game since launch but it had its own mission board

[toxic bear]

I did expedition and I was surprised by how hard that actually was, won’t say I’m the best but I think I’m pretty decent at the game lol first time I got creamed

[strange crow]

Now it's just been rolled in with the other difficulties

[toxic bear]

Yeah I was never that high, I played on Xbox then when I got a PC I got it again, played a bit, then recently came back

[somber axle]

Expeditions are funny because they push you into not engaging patrols as often as possible to avoid the spawns going nuts (unless you want that)

[toxic bear]

So 2 new modes and 2 new classes since I last played

[toxic bear]

Ooooh so that’s how it works

[somber axle]

The long sight lines are nice for using things like the Infantry Lasgun though

You can have super smooth games in Expeditions where it feels like nothing at all happened

And also hectic matches where it feels like a High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet run

depending on how crazy people decided to get with attacking anything and everything in sight

[toxic bear]

Oh literally just got a +19% health blue curio with 15% gunner dmg resistance lol about to resource dump into that

[somber axle]

nice

[tawny badger]

veteran players watching their exec stance timer go up to 3 trillion years after one round of No Man's Land

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-shocked-deltarune-meme-me-when-i-name-my-child-gaster-gif-11481965164359772695

[somber axle]

the changes to Exe Stance are so fun LOL

and Marksman's Focus

I took a year long break a while ago and both were so low duration before but now they're practically infinite uptime on both

9 sec duration on Exe Stance with Ogryns node is so so much time

[toxic bear]

Yeah once I pass heresy it’s so hit or miss I’m totally gonna try to squad up here lol I got so lucky my last 3 games with competent team mates

Crazy how drastically different it is depending on your team mates

[somber axle]

Quickplay matches end up very hit or miss but I like the chaos of a struggling team more than how smooth a good team feels

Auric High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet ends up feeling so much more wild when you have a team that's struggling for every inch

[tawny badger]

being the last person alive makes my hands shake with how much of a thrill it is

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly!

But good teams are nice too

I had a match recently where someone accidentally aggro'd a Daemonhost and we all collectively beat it to death in 2 seconds

and that's also really satsifying

[tall torrent]

DH jumpscare
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1494896888279994468/518A08C8B0EE99EB.mp4?ex=69e446b8&is=69e2f538&hm=c3c7779f3abd19f79dcf3e9856c01e883fb685cf579dd6ba29689f6f8568bd14&

[toxic bear]

Oh yeah my team right now is getting wiped lol

Just started and it went so south so fast and a daemen host ruined us, compared to my last game where we whooped its ass

[somber axle]

they're so sneaky LOL

[tall torrent]

no it wasn't even there

dude spawned in front of me

[somber axle]

oh what

[onyx cradle]

hello people im new any tips?

[narrow frost]

Yeah its becauase of the trigger there

[somber axle]

I didn't even notice the spawn director just popping it in

[narrow frost]

its only that spot it really happens

it spawns from the boss trigger after drop

[somber axle]

Dodge to the right when the Chaos Spawn goes to grab to escape being grabbed. Dodging left or back means you get grabbed because it has deceptively long range in both of those directions

[somber axle]

You want to go under the arm

[onyx cradle]

[somber axle]

Other than that I'd recommend practicing dodging/blocking because they're essential for the game as you climb difficulties

When I was very, very new someone told me to practice dodging after every 2-3 swings and use block pushes to help control hordes

Keep your movement going left or right while dodging, block pushing and melee attacking and you can lead a horde without getting hit once

Oh and block pushing is an AoE around your character

[willow prairie]

the krak lmao

[somber axle]

If you hear a dog but don't see the dog and know the pounce is coming hit your block shove and the push will end up knocking the dog away more often than not

It helps a LOT when you're dealing with a wall of Crushers/Bulwarks/Maulers and can't see the dog anywhere because your whole screen is metal

[tawny badger]

it also especially works with dogs because block pushing is uh

they're very easy to block shove while they're leaping

[toxic bear]

The power sword is growing on me

What was that essential blessing again?

[frigid rover]

power cycler?

[toxic bear]

Bet ty

[frigid rover]

big difference

[toxic bear]

Do u know what pairs nice with it?

[distant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/jumper-jumple-rebound-system-rebote-fitness-gif-17250444

for mobility

[frigid rover]

i believe sunder is a common pick but your preference might depend on the variant

[turbid ibex]

sunder, brutal momentum or slaughterer

[turbid ibex]

theres 0 reason to pick mk3 over mk6

[patent raft]

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CUZ ITS ON SALE FOR 75% OFF

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[somber axle]

NICE

[patent raft]

the bots are fucking morons ;-;

[toxic bear]

Ok lol damnation is hard

[hollow ibex]

damnation is the new heresy

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/joji-filthy-frank-welcome-to-the-rice-fields-rice-fields-gif-15724064

[strange crow]

Sunder or BM if you want to cleavemaxx, or you could go slaughterer for better anti-elite

If running Sunder/BM then dump cleave targets, if running slaughterer dump mobilit

[toxic bear]

Bet, ty for the help yall!

[fading canopy]

maelstrom aurics when

[onyx cradle]

How do cosmetics work? How do i get the krieg skins?
Alsow any good tips on the hellbore?

[tall torrent]

There’re ones u can unlock from penances
Then there’re ones u gotta pay for in a cash shop (Krieg set is among them) which rotates every 2 weeks usually
Helbore is a dedicated backline sniping weapon and u often will need good frontliners to cover u to maximize its effectiveness

[austere sierra]

So if someone is a bit overzealous with focus fire, and they mark an elite twice once with full stacks and then another mark with 1, do they fuck themselves

Or does the higher stack mark stay until it goes away naturally or the thing dies

[tame lodge]

Higher mark stays

[austere sierra]

Nice

But if you accidentally mark something else in that time?

Like a second special right behind that special

[tall torrent]

Overwrite only occurs if latter was applied with more stacks than the former

[austere sierra]

And what about my second question, if you mark something with full stacks and then accidentally mark something next to it with one stack, will the full stack of the ability just move over

Or that is a fuck you moment

[tall torrent]

If u mark smth with 4 stacks, then mark another enemy before the first enemy dies

The first enemy’s stacks are removed
And the second enemy gains the number of stacks u had when u marked it

The actual correct way to play this keystone is to mark an enemy, kill it immediately, repeat

[austere sierra]

Ye, I just was wondering for the sake of mechanics

Since sometimes I double tap and it marks something else near it

Nice to know they had that in mind though

[patent raft]

Auric is just super boosted heresy

Damnation is super boosted Malice

[austere sierra]

You expect dynamic and interesting difficulties?

[patent raft]

no xd

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-eitri-yes-that-is-gif-23532173

[austere sierra]

So using shock trooper isn't so much to not run out of ammo but because it lets you not have to reload as often?

Or both really

[hollow ibex]

both

like helbore feels like ass without ST

[austere sierra]

Even with people ripping ammo I haven't really found ammo to be scarce

[hollow ibex]

though the efefct on mag size varies from weapon to weapon obv

[austere sierra]

Is deadshot worth it for that sort of build

Shame surgical doesn't work while charging unless you ads

Iron sights on the hellbore stink

[tall torrent]

Not rly worth taking ever

Vet just does not have the point economy luxury

[austere sierra]

Yeah it seems like shit gets stretched thin no matter the build

[tall torrent]

For melee hybrid build it’s just enough

For ranged it’s 2-3 points short of being good

[frigid rover]

you can take deadshot and surgical just fine and not have to wait as long

obviously not necessary but it can be funny which is more important

[fading canopy]

what else could it be

[austere sierra]

Maybe he was hoping it could be ||f u n||

[strange crow]

Would you rather have to wait for 2 less stack of surgical on helbore or have significantly better damage

[austere sierra]

That part of a second just cost us the whole game

[strange crow]

?

[austere sierra]

Maybe that is why he prefers deadshot

Because that charge time could cost you dearly

Or something

So surgical and weight of fire on hellbore?

Or what is a more meta combo

[frigid rover]

hmmmm
yep definitely the first one :)

[somber axle]

Surgical + Weight of Fire for the IIIa and IV

[frigid rover]

pretty much

[somber axle]

You can use it on the V too but it has a fast enough charge rate without Weight of Fire that you can swap that out for another blessing

I use Hotshot + Withering Fire for funny Helbore cleave through mixed hordes

Weight of Fire on the V makes it into an Infantry Lasgun that can shoot Crushers in the face

Hotshot lets it delete lines of Shotgunners all trying to sprint through a door together

[tidal fox]

they should just give vet 5 extra points as a class feature fr

[graceful eagle]

Hey what's a good prime weapon for the vet, I mostly use combat knife, shock maul, crusher, chainsword.

[distant plaza]

anything is good
if you're willing to sweat to use it

[tame lodge]

Prime as in primary?
Power Sword
Rashad Combat Axe
Tactical Axe
Knife
Dueling Sword

[austere sierra]

Power sword is the most fun I feel

[tame lodge]

Chain Axe 12

[austere sierra]

Power falchion stinks like SHIT

Do you guys run demo team or is it not worth the node

[graceful eagle]

I want to like the power sword but I can't get with it

[austere sierra]

Get power cycler on it

Just charge, swing, repeat

[graceful eagle]

@austere sierra ok

@graceful eagle still learning what blessings n perks to put on weapons n guns

[turbid ibex]

demo team is really fucking good

[austere sierra]

Check the pins for stuff

Dueling sword is strong on everyone

I just don't find it fun

[frigid rover]

i like it personally, if you wanna lean into grenade spam more is always nice (grenades are great)
otherwise you already get free nades so you can live without it if theres something else you want more urgently

[turbid ibex]

the thing with demo team is that you have to path through it to get tac awareness and the ogryn damage node

so thats even more reason to take it

[austere sierra]

Where are these builds people say allow you to one shot crushers with a hellbore

[hybrid plover]

There is legitimately

never

A point where you wouldn't take demo team

It's a class defining talent.

[fair shale]

I fucking love nade spam

[frigid rover]

what if i want more revive speed :j

[hybrid plover]

By far one of the most important for veteran.

[hybrid plover]

Take away something else.

Not that talent.

[fair shale]

If you throw enough grenades your teammates won't die

[frigid rover]

generally exec stance, left keystone, and uuhhh all the other obvious ranged buffs you can find plus heavy helbore mark

[austere sierra]

i c

And what are the must have blessings on a plasma gun

I assume fuck the charging ones since its better to spam shot seemingly in every instance

[hybrid plover]

Typically the choices are Get Hot and Rising Heat

I might have gotten that second ones wording wrong

Idk

[frigid rover]

the fire rises

[austere sierra]

Oh right, strength

I keep forgetting what that does but I know it = damage on guns

[fair shale]

Iirc it's a few things

Damage, cleave, and something else I'm blanking on

[hollow ibex]

stagger

[fair shale]

Thank you

[turbid ibex]

its also multiplicative with regular increases to those stats

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[mighty kestrel]

let me help you girl <33333 ヾ(•ω•`)o 💖

[tall torrent]

?

[mighty kestrel]

not mean it, just show the blessing from the guide

[willow prairie]

he literally made the guide

😭

[mighty kestrel]

yeah I know 😭

it's a great guide actually

you should keep doing it for Hive Scum and Arbite

maybe Ogryn too but idk, we have Ogrynomicon, but Ogrynomicon sometime just feel like a poem than actually a guide

[willow prairie]

ogrynomicon is mostly catered to newer and intermediate player

its decent for what it is but it is lacking a lot imo

[patent raft]

@somber axle my dad got me Darktide on steam, and you dont need to gift me Arbiter, my dad got me that at the same time as getting me Darktide.

[somber axle]

Nice!! Congrats dude 😄

Have fun with the Arbites

Exterminator's Shotgun is unironically my fav ranged weapon in the game right now and if it existed on Vet I'd never play anything else

Remember to pet the dog

[patent raft]

thx :3

[patent raft]

[young nacelle]

Vet gets the recon laser gun. That shit beaming

[somber axle]

Recons are definitely up there for weapons I love in this game for sure

Helbores, Recons, Exterminator's Shotgun and Boltgun

[drowsy perch]

new cosmetics idea

[toxic reef]

nah this isn't halo

[slow spade]

hadron in a mini-skirt when?

[patent raft]

I PET DA DAWG

[grand perch]

literally me

[grand perch]

if theyd implement those i'd wear em for the next thumbnail

[thorn lark]

anyone is a semi advanced linux user here?

[red portal]

this is probably the wrong place to ask.
your distro probably has a discord server.

[thorn lark]

true 😄

[tall torrent]

on schedule but no date

[tall torrent]

I play on linux but me dumb

[onyx cradle]

me too me just click play

[next musk]

w h a t

[thorn lark]

Do you dual boot?

[tawny badger]

you'd think they would run out of guys at some point

[toxic bear]

Should I even attempt damnation on random que or is it best to start makin friends here lmao

[dry cloak]

yes

[toxic bear]

To which one lol

[dry cloak]

both

[radiant mulch]

Damnation isn’t that bad.

[toxic bear]

It appears to be hit or miss still

It would also help if I had some +hp curios

[radiant mulch]

Hp curios aren’t really that good.

[toxic bear]

The +wounds?

[radiant mulch]

+toughness is the best.

I forget if veteran uses them but for my main (hive scum) there are some builds that make use of a +3 stamina also.

[brave acorn]

Vet can use stam for some builds

[toxic bear]

Yeah I JUST got a +3 stamina lol I put that in to replace my +2

I’m also finding power sword with sunder is infact better than chains sword

[hollow ibex]

what

[radiant mulch]

Power sword one of the best melee weapons.

[hollow ibex]

wounds are bad

hp/stam/toughness are good

[radiant mulch]

Every build I’ve always seen recommends toughness with the occasional +3 stam for certain builds.

[toxic bear]

Ok, I’m tryna figure out which curios to go for, rn I have +19% max health, +16% toughness, and +3 stamina with a good bit of toughness regen and stamina regen tied to them

[hollow ibex]

that's fine for lower difficulties

not a good idea for damnation and above

there are a LOT of things which hit your hp directly

[radiant mulch]

Toughness regen isn’t that good either. You want ability cooldown

[toxic bear]

Ok bet

[hollow ibex]

yeah toughness regen isn't good on curios

[toxic bear]

Should I swap out with another 5%+ toughness? The one I’m abt to upgrade the 3% combat to 4%

[radiant mulch]

Ability cooldown is (in my opinion) the best and a must take on every curio.

[toxic bear]

Bet, I now have 2 curios w +4% combat regen so if I’m correct and it stacks I have 8%

[hollow ibex]

eh

it's good on voc/infil

useless on exec stance

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[toxic bear]

Ty yall for the help again, im tryna spend resources right cause im tryna get into the higher difficulties and iv found I for sure gotta go in with a proper build lol, I still need to fix my skill tree to its a mess

[minor chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo2-elite-sangheili-greetings-gif-25839730

[toxic bear]

Iv only managed to win 1 damnation with randoms so far out of like 4

[radiant mulch]

I love shout so I love my ability cooldown and toughness curios.

[hollow ibex]

the HOTE guide in the pins

has everything you need

[toxic bear]

Bet

[hollow ibex]

👍 then cdr is good

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

also covers a lot of content in other classes

bro spent literally more than a year writing it

[fading canopy]

hello

smoke grenade opinions ?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-17258096266802987535

[somber axle]

very good on higher difficulty content

[fading canopy]

yeah that’s what I figured

hm

shredders feel like ass

to me

[hollow ibex]

Is the best vet blitz

[fading canopy]

explain that to me pls

[hollow ibex]

it's general-purpose

good on-demand stagger

and can kill mixed hordes well

kraks are good, but more specialized

smokes are only good in high havoc

[somber axle]

1 shredder is very eh but 2 shredders can do a lot of work

you always want to drop them in pairs to get the most value out of them

1 shredder is good to buy space if someone is netted/dogged and surrounded across a room and you want to buy a little time to reach them

[hollow ibex]

yeah 1 shredder is purely for stagger

2 if you mean business

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=69e5c2d1&is=69e47151&hm=115ed5da4523a251f970112aefa20f2cd48676a1315c70a4cc2d7de5e85d82e7&

case in point

[tame lodge]

Hmmm today I will throw high explosives while being unnoticed

[minor chasm]

How do you add the enemy health bars?

[hollow ibex]

mods

there's a few options on nexus

[minor chasm]

Oh

[tall torrent]

used to, then win11 borked itself and died so now I'm just linux

[hollow ibex]

microslop doing you a favor

[dry cloak]

im still on w10

[thorn lark]

I still need windows for work and my photography hobby (I'm a freelancer, and as much as I love webapps or foss alternative, I just can't without excel), so I was wondering about dual booting on the same drive. Then I remembered I have 2 drives. So one install on each should work right?

[tall torrent]

u prob could

linux uses libre office for the microslop office equivalent and it takes some time to transition

[hollow ibex]

i use libreoffice

can't say i'm a fan of it

[thorn lark]

not using office in my case is not really a choice

[agile mango]

is using the clear smoke mod cheating?

[hollow ibex]

maybe

[dry cloak]

Imo yes

[toxic reef]

it's only your team's smoke and not gas

so I think it's fine

it's niche enough that I don't think it's on the same level as health bars or complex macro for melee

[dry cloak]

Any mod that adds healthbars to enemies in missions. Spidey sense or removes visual effects. Imo is cheating

[thorn lark]

spidey sense is useful but not to the point of being a cheat imho

[agile mango]

what about the psyker mod that makes force sword blocking and the dome shield not blind you?

[thorn lark]

if you have any special surge, your spidey is just too crowded to be useful

[agile mango]

is that generally considered fine?

[agile mango]

I don't know why people use it. it feels weird to me

[thorn lark]

it is a relic of before Havoc time

[tall torrent]

try dual boot then

u also don't have to go linux atm

[hollow ibex]

a lot of mods are technically cheating

does it matter? no

[tall torrent]

even tho ik win11 is borking itself

but

in a few months, proton 11 will prob be much better than it is rn

I tried proton 11 and it was just insane

stutters a lot atm prob cuz beta

but when it's not stuttering it's just beautiful flat frametime line

(proton 11 has specific CPU optimization improvements, and DT is often CPU bottleneck in intense scenarios)

[willow prairie]

biggest problem with dual booting is filesystem lol

[dark flower]

i love darktide

[willow prairie]

especially if you want to have the same file on both

if only there good ext4 driver on window

and I don't trust btrfs enough

linux doesn't have good ntfs driver so that a no no

[agile mango]

does no respite make surgical harder to proc on helbore?

[grand perch]

no respite gives bonus dmg vs staggered enemies. whats surgical got to do with it?

[tame lodge]

No respite isn't a good blessing on Helbore

140% ranged damage

[tough nova]

STOP CHANGING YOUR NAME AHHH

[hollow ibex]

*terms and conditions may apply

[tame lodge]

Keep up with me or I'll leave you behind

[hollow ibex]

bro didn't read the fine print 💀

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[torpid grotto]

I’ve never thought of spidey sense as a cheat. If the game worked perfectly, audio cues are easier to parse and react to than additional visual cues cluttering the screen. How the human brain works

[thorn lark]

spidey sense is just the visual information of what you're supposed to hear

outlines are game breaking

that's ability territory

[hybrid plover]

It's an accessibility mod that can be innately, sorta cheaty but like, in such an insignificant way that I really couldn't see much issue with it.

Even if I personally don't use it.

Outlines?

Nah that's completely lame.

Anyone who's played with a good exe vet would know why those are extremely abusable.

[void dragon]

It's exactly why Execute order is so strong, the boosts are just a fraction of what that perk gives you in value

[tawny badger]

so what’s going on this fine day vets

[tawny badger]

man I wonder what the last penance I need is

I am going to explode

[tame dragon]

I got that one pretty fast after using the smoke grenade for a bit from never using it before

[somber axle]

Just throw it at hordes of poxwalkers

It's dumb but easy

[quiet lark]

if each of the 7603980997 ragers throws one smoke grenade you'll get it pretty quickly

[slow spade]

yeah you could also do some story missions with the infected moebians

they swarm in large numbers and move fast so you should get big clumps easily

[tawny badger]

our hands are full from all the axes

[ionic trail]

Does anyone know of some good MMF Combat Shotgun builds?

[dry cloak]

If you use such build but with any other weapon

Just swap the weapon for agrippina combat shotty

[ionic trail]

that's exactly the one i use already

im just trying to see builds that are considered good to learn off of tbh

hmn

oh I see now

[quiet lark]

i would just suggest picking up volley adept

[hollow ibex]

boy do i have the build for you

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=6908d374&is=690781f4&hm=57ce2c795d0069588e48c6f012f15aa3d866bab65a6acd276aa36052ea7f02cd&

[ionic trail]

👀

[hollow ibex]

kinda a meme tbh, but it's very funny

[ionic trail]

hmmn, what about it makes it a meme? is something about it strange? 🤔

[hollow ibex]

well you invest a lot into your ranged capabilities

but at a very high expense to your melee

[ionic trail]

I see..

[slow spade]

Yeah sadly Left tree for Vet is pretty bad

This particular combo works because Agri shotgun has super high finesse damage and doesn't really have the weaknesses of other high finesse guns

[grand perch]

strange choice not to use Full Bore on the sniper shotgun. replace man stopper with full bore

[grand perch]

nah

[slow spade]

Compared to middle or right tree?

Yeah it's pretty bad

Especially because Vet has stam delay built-in now

[toxic reef]

yeah fsr they put most talents really far down and with two mid tax nodes

[slow spade]

So the stam delay node isn't as critical as it used to be

[toxic reef]

and +25% ammo as required is eh

nowhere near as good as tactical awareness or desperado

[tall torrent]

yea ur right, bad doesn't even begin to describe it, it's more like abysmal dogshit pro max plus ultra limited edition

[grand perch]

see on that point, well never agree

[slow spade]

Right side having the "+70% damage for 3 points"

Middle having ogryn damage and cooldown reduction

Left has shocktrooper at least

[tall torrent]

left needs 2~3 points freed up to be good

[grand perch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f542597-bd74-4c94-8c19-695ae3b4fc01/shotgun-sniper

[toxic reef]

like the other two are so easy to path in comparison

[slow spade]

They've also got better nodes

If we stretch, Left does have Precision Strikes and Shocktroopers

[toxic reef]

yeah but they're miles apart

precision strikes is usually the extent to which you go in to left tree

[slow spade]

Indeed

[tame lodge]

Erm
It's called railgun for a reason

🤓

Get erm'd

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-ooh-regular-show-gif-5715487

[hot spire]

Good Morning fellow vets🫡

[frank basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046919438961750027/1456586123936796866/tumblr_mir4ghax351s60s7go1_400.gif

[empty heart]

did auric become little trash mob heavy

[tawny badger]

oh waiter! more shooter trash mobs please

[empty heart]

trying to do veteran slayer build, with assualt chainsword

is double barrelled shotgun better or revolver

[toxic reef]

both work

[empty heart]

dbs has insane recoil

[toxic reef]

you just shoot once and then switch back

[tawny badger]

bonus points if you're going bottom right with the uhhh
Always Ready cornerstone or whatever it's called that lets you get a some of your magazine back on weapon switch

[heavy rover]

I prefer double barrel because staggering crushers is funny

[empty heart]

assualt chainsword is not that good a horde clear

[dry cloak]

It has enough hordeclear

Mk13g at least

[steep flower]

Both marks

[dry cloak]

I dont use mk4

[steep flower]

Try it

[dry cloak]

Maybe when new class comes

I dont plan on playing dt much

[steep flower]

Inb4 it won’t be able to use chain weapons

[dry cloak]

Idc

Will use it on zealot

Or vet

[steep flower]

I guess the farming simulator has consoomed yet another poor soul

[dry cloak]

Nah

[steep flower]

Use on arby

[dry cloak]

Good fs is now on the board. Snowrunner was started. But it fell through

Because i started evil west

Now came back to sm2

I can spare time to play 2 games at one time

[steep flower]

I came back somewhat to warframe

[dry cloak]

Just remember

2.5k in rimworld here

[dry cloak]

If god gives. Tarkov will be back on the plate. In coop of course. Pve

[empty heart]

i should try warframe

[stuck tree]

its fun

sorta

[hollow ibex]

You can but it’s not like the build needs more single target damage lol

[jovial lava]

hey y'all hellbore lasgun what its supposed to be the focus of this weapon?

I'm kinda confused on what i should be doing with it

trying to master all the exclusive weapons from which class and this is pretty much the only one left for vet (apart from shovel which i'm kindly ignoring for now)

[gentle lake]

Sniping specials and elites

[jovial lava]

so its good at killing crushers?

[gentle lake]

Uh

No.

Not at all lmfao

[jovial lava]

well that feels pretty pointless to take it over the plasma gun then

[dry cloak]

It is

[hollow ibex]

You def can

[gentle lake]

Its more reliable imo

[hollow ibex]

Mk IV can easily two shot them

[dry cloak]

With proper build that is

[hollow ibex]

All of them are quite good at crusher killing

[gentle lake]

Weird not in my experience

I usually just go for gunners

[jovial lava]

which build should i be doing then @dry cloak @hollow ibex do y`all have a link

or by build you just mean blessings perks and not talents

[gentle lake]

I don't like using it to kill crushers cuz it doesn't carry exec stsnce long enough

[dry cloak]

Its 2 shot with crits alone iirc

[gentle lake]

I'll test it out ig

[jovial lava]

never seen anyone using executioner stance i`m normally running either the stealth just to do objectives with randoms on damnation as i lvl the weapons (since no one knows how to stay together apparently) or the shout when i am doing auric

might try it at some time but prolly once i am done mastering the weapons

[gentle lake]

Exec stance is great for plain walls and extra damage

[frigid rover]

love me exec

[quiet lark]

i think it's not too bad outside of rotten

[fossil creek]

Im using this build on vet rn, recon lasgun exec stance

https://share.google/Goctk9bsdWXWOCoO0

[quiet lark]

with weigh of fire at least

[fossil creek]

Its pretty fun, worked well on auric

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f61c314-2870-469e-b9e7-8d4ce6d057fc/machinegun-helbore

this one is fun

[jovial lava]

thanks will try

i am stunned every time i see someone carrying a 21% health curio tho, is that normal i always use all toughness

other than on my zeloat since i am doing marty on it (especialy since getting wound curios is a non-issue compared to 17% toughness)

just mentioning it cause the guy on the guide is doing it

[narrow frost]

It's a balance point between surviving chip damage you are going to take compared to maybe stopping an extra bullet or 2

I use 2 HP 1 toughess but I play havoc so it's a bit exaggerated

[quiet lark]

on vet or in general? i thought you always used 3 tn

[narrow frost]

On vet and psyker

But this applies to most human classes

It depends heavy on skill level and gamemode

[thorn lark]

your meleeker has 3 tg curios tho

[narrow frost]

Overall 1 of each can never go wrong with the majority of skill level in non havoc

[narrow frost]

Recently switched for my H40 solos

Feels a bit better

[quiet lark]

yeah, just wondering cause i remember most of your builds ive seen use 3 tn iirc

[thorn lark]

to 2hp 1tg?

[jovial lava]

I see interesting

maybe at some point i`ll try looking for those 21% hp curios then

[thorn lark]

hope you have melbucks

[jovial lava]

also hellbore dump stat is it charge rate?

[quiet lark]

stability

[narrow frost]

Certain attacks go though toughness so it's always nice to have extra HP for those situations

[jovial lava]

didnt expect that for a sniper weapon lol but aight ty

[sly orchid]

I use 1 HP curio on hive scum

Its a nice safety net

[thorn lark]

you add 3 x 5 tg and 3 x5 hp too?

[quiet lark]

the pinned guide has info on how to build different weapons and info on other stuff 👍👍

[sly orchid]

Alao hi ainz ^_^/

[jovial lava]

oh aight, ty

[sly orchid]

Id say vet has a really good spread with toughness toughness stamina

[north coyote]

Chat, please give me a good reason for somebody to run a wound curio on vet in h40, because for me it's completely idiotic and actively gimps your build

[willow prairie]

martydom

[thorn lark]

djihad psyker?

[north coyote]

Vet

That's why I'm asking in vet chat

[willow prairie]

yeah except no one is on topic lmao

[north coyote]

tbh, should have clarified, fixed

[quiet lark]

I have a friend that runs +1 wound on vet cause he doesn't feel like the other curios impact survivability that much but I don't really agree with him 😭

[thorn lark]

if he has climbed to h40 without being boosted he can do whatever he wants

[quiet lark]

yeah i didn't say he can't xd

i just wouldn't run it myself

[fading canopy]

Just found out shredder nades don’t suck, I do

[quiet lark]

happens to the best of us

[fading canopy]

They felt like they did nothing

So I switched to smokes

[quiet lark]

all of vets nades are really strong and useful in my experience

smokes aren't really necessary until higher difficulty tho

[somber axle]

Remember you can underhand them with Infiltrate without breaking stealth

Kinda funny how that works LOL

[tidal fox]

heretics when u underhand frag in infil

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-goodnight-meme-goodnight-bro-minecraft-gif-21455562

[fading canopy]

yes and in higher havoc ranged enemies are my biggest problem

but tbh im bad at the game I shouldn’t worry about havoc

[jovial lava]

might just be down to what is killing him not changing, i'm pretty new to this game but played plenty of others were if the thing giving you trouble aint the thing that normally gives most people trouble you end up doing better with unusual setups

[fading canopy]

i have no idea how to git gud

[heavy rover]

It'll come with time and practice

[willow prairie]

or play vermintide 2

[quiet lark]

i would suggest to watch good players' pov and play solos/duos

[somber axle]

Watching ChocoB helped me understand positioning and looping better so I'd recommend that for sure

[unreal nova]

Throw 2-3 and anything but crushers is gone.

[fading canopy]

yeah well the fact i need to throw three nades for that is kinda putting me off

[unreal nova]

2. 3 is if one twins.

And by one twins, the second one did.

[hollow ibex]

2 is all you need for mixed hordes really

[unreal nova]

It's also an arena wide stagger.

Well, room.

I just bring bistol to funni meme arena.

[woeful smelt]

First rebind jump or dodge

[tawny badger]

step 1) for the love of god put dodge and jump on separate binds
step 2) bash your head against the wall until something clicks

[fading canopy]

idk what is a practical bind..

[austere mica]

Put jump on left alt

[fading canopy]

i cant

alt shift changes keyboards on my pc

[austere mica]

Windows key

[heavy rover]

Do you have a mouse with a thumb button? That's where I bind my dodge

[fading canopy]

but my activate

[heavy rover]

Hmm, maybe rebind your ability to Q?

[somber axle]

dodge and jump on separate binds is very important

I have jump on "v"

close to space for dodge but I'm not ever going to hit it unless I mean to

[heavy rover]

Oh damn that's smart

Still so close to the space bar and it's not an awkward position

[agile mango]

is there any point to being at or above 100 HP in havoc 40 or are there no breakpoints there?

[hybrid plover]

Tick tick tick tick tick

You want at least enough HP not to get completely obliterated by a burster

I personally run more than just enough for that because I also don't care for a vast majority of my health being gone because of a single one

[agile mango]

it wont 1 shot you if you're above 100? i didn't know that. thanks!

[hybrid plover]

Ye. Very important for h40

Since, you just have to expect that a bs poxburster is gonna catch you slipping

[somber axle]

Silent poxburster will sneak up eventually

[copper vector]

Bro i thought the braced autogun was would be decent and just misunderstood
I used it and regretted every second

[hollow ibex]

Sorry but we understand the state of brauto very well

[copper vector]

I play neco-arc in melty bruh i thought i could make a lowtier work

[tame lodge]

Pilk drinker spotted

Obliterate

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-laser-eyes-ronaldo-laser-eyes-gif-10031537161115441576

[tame lodge]

Fun fact
They're better than Ogryns peashooter

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

That being said

Brauto 8 is the only one worth using

[faint beacon]

You guys telling me you don’t sometimes just rawdog it and try not to get the burster to one shot you on 40?

Even though I usually do like 150 toughness 105 HP cause of the huge negative modifiers on 40

[tame lodge]

You guys run HP/TG?

[hybrid plover]

Now hold on. Just cuz I say it's ideal

Doesn't mean I always do the ideal thing.

[faint beacon]

See sometimes its funny to max into something and just

[agile mango]

I think smokes are better than kraks in PUBs like 70% of the time for havoc

[faint beacon]

not fucking die cause you're playing incredibly passive but also being a huge help

[hybrid plover]

Toughness maxed vet is funny af

[faint beacon]

Cough cough FT Keystone

I should honestly try forcing myself to pick up DT its been like 3 weeks but holy shit idk how but Expeditions single handedly killed it for me

[hybrid plover]

It's the tonedeafness for me

The game is struck with so many issues right now and they just go and make a cash grabby game mode that isn't even fleshed out enough to successfully do that.

While also introducing more issues.

And more power creep

It's one of those cases where a decision being made, is such a bad decision that it actively has worsened my perception of the times ahead for the game. And I don't really know if I can deal with the constant disappointment anymore.

But I will stay here because this server is cool.

[faint beacon]

Similar situation but the game has a lot of issues they need to work on

like a lot of fucking issues

and im getting rather tired of it

[hybrid plover]

It always has but it's just gotten worse. And now it's honestly worse enough that i just feel it's better investing my time into something else for a change.

[faint beacon]

Why I've been no lifing Deadlock lately

lmao

[hybrid plover]

Played havoc 40 last night

Got killed by an unpushable burster

And honestly like

[faint beacon]

So its not just me

I got on

unpushable burster

got off

[hybrid plover]

Absolutely not

Specialists just

Don't behave properly anymore

And the sad thing is I'm playing with the active expectation of this. But if I've gotten to the point where I'm even expecting the game to not behave properly at the level I want to play it

What's the point

And that burster last night just kinda brought me to that point of conclusion so I just logged off lol

[tawny badger]

played with a recon lasgun veteran and damn

is that how I be taking up ammo?

[hybrid plover]

That's straight up like

[tawny badger]

I meant veteran

[hybrid plover]

Oh

Okay.

Yeah that makes more sense.

[solar raptor]

well idealy ur supposed to be getting more ammo back

[hybrid plover]

Yeah you probably want shock troop

[tawny badger]

I'm playing revolver veteran

[solar raptor]

when u kill so its supposed to be a feedback loop

[tawny badger]

and this fuckin guy

white ammo
takes up big ammo packs

[solar raptor]

game balance so bad mfs playing it actively expect the worst 😭

[tawny badger]

I HAVE

THREE SHOTS
YOUR AMMO IS NEAR FULL

LET ME GET AN AMMO PICKUP

https://tenor.com/view/leon-chokes-choking-ada-wong-gif-26380793

[hybrid plover]

This is what I mean when i say power creep is honestly ruining this game

It's straight up breaking things at a fundamental level.

[faint beacon]

Straight up its too a point to where when sheer BS happens I just sigh

cause its like, I should've expected it and yet I continue anyways

[tame dragon]

I've been greeted by so many shotgun or sniper hoards I basically spend more of the game in smoke grenades than not. Oh and mutants are the number one thing killing me nonstop

[somber axle]

tbh I think taking a long break and coming back is the right play as long as you don't care about missing FOMO cosmetics

the game has some serious problems but I can still enjoy playing the game without burning out, and as soon as I burn out again I'll probably disappear for months until something else big draws me back in

also gives time to let them attempt to fix the problems you have with the game without forcing yourself to be annoyed by those problems constantly

[slow spade]

I've been bouncing between Darktide and Dawn of War

the whiplash between killing individual poxwalkers and fighting Titans is fun to me c:

[somber axle]

I'm a FFXIV addict and I've been in that forever so Darktide is just a fun side thing

[slow spade]

YIPPIE

[somber axle]

Going to Fanfest soon in cosplay, and then doing cosplay again for the Digital Circus Last Act theater showing in June, and then going to Blizzcon with some friends who like WoW and I'm still undecided if I should cosplay there too

I know a few friends are really excited for the new Dawn of War stuff

[slow spade]

Ah that was a fun game c: I got burnt out eventually but had a lot of fun when I did play

[somber axle]

but one is waiting on Imperial Guard

[slow spade]

nice :D one day I'll be able to travel :c fun times with jobs

[somber axle]

I have 1586 hours in Darktide but I've got 6313 hours in FFXIV

looking at the time is painful

[slow spade]

Indeed, I wish they'd just add Imperial Guard from the start. But I do suppose that means when IG is released they're balanced for the latest version of the game

[somber axle]

yeah I'm kinda shocked they haven't put Imperial Guard in yet

but I guess they're trying to sell the factions that are more eye catching first? idk

Mechanicus are love so I enjoyed watching the new trailer showing them off

[fading canopy]

holy mobility

[slow spade]

lol yeah I can see that. Personally I think of it as I enjoyed that many hours in the games I've played so long hours is a badge of honor to me

[somber axle]

they took your legs private dan

[somber axle]

I agree but I probably spent 3-4 times the hours in WoW growing up before I quit in Shadowlands

[slow spade]

indeed c: There's been a lot of Mechanicus love lately. Even fan mods are getting into it with the biggest DoW mod planning a reworked Mechanicus faction

[somber axle]

friends have been saying Midnight is really good and I've almost been drawn back in

I'm waiting until Blizzcon to see if what I see ends up finally baiting me back

I've also been catching on up anime with friends

We do group watch nights and wrapped up Frieren recently, started Witch Hat Atelier

[slow spade]

lol yeah. My family is full of gamers so I have a lot of fond memories playing WoW with my parents and brother. I think we stopped around Panda time

[somber axle]

Btw don't go see the new The Mummy movie it's awful

it might genuinely be the worst horror movie I've ever seen

[slow spade]

Ah sadly we haven't seen many good animes that my friends and I aren't already reading. Rip Endless Memories. I try one anime and it's rushed as fuck 😭

[slow spade]

Classis Hollywood producing soulless cash grabs again. At least make them cool or something :c

[somber axle]

I haven't heard of that one but I mostly just hear about anime from friends because I end up too absorbed in work during the day and then lost in my game of choice at night

[somber axle]

It felt like a script written by AI tbh and it probably was

there's normal Hollywood slop

and then there's AI slop

like I enjoyed the new Scream 4 movie

I went to the first viewings here in Las Vegas and got the funny posters and merch they had at the theaters

it was just dumb goofy fun

[slow spade]

Ah it's just the classic anime problem where the greater context is skipped over so you miss a lot of "why" things are happening. Youjo Senki is probably the biggest victim of that issue

[slow spade]

You know, I wouldn't doubt if that's happening these days lol. I've mostly kept to smaller stuff like Release That Witch (chinese anime but actually good trust)

[somber axle]

The Mummy was just poorly written with awful pacing, terrible acting and nonsensical scenes. Like a haunted house trying to be scary by being gross and shoving gore in your face all the time while they spend every moment playing suspenseful horns and it was just a massive disappointment

[slow spade]

rip :c just like with a lot of series these days "at least the older stuff is still good"

[somber axle]

Scream 4 had a lot of gore too but the scenes were funny with how they played with the tropes everyone has come to expect

Oh this was done by a different team to the usual Mummy movies

[slow spade]

indeed, honestly at this point just a movie hitting the basics is enough for me lol

[somber axle]

This wasn't the fun heroic witty one liner action movie with Brenden Frasier and crew, this was just a very sad attempt at being horror

Like genuinely some scenes were so absurd that the people with me were laughing in the theater

[slow spade]

Give me more Hero's Journey stories. I eat that shit up

[somber axle]

And this movie was not meant to be a comedy

LOL

[slow spade]

oof, maybe it'll be one of those "its so bad it's good" I hear about lol. Though it seems doubtful :p

[somber axle]

I don't think so. I think it was just bad

Like the start of the movie was slow but had an interesting premise and then they just did nothing with it imo

[slow spade]

aw :c

[somber axle]

It was just a lot of shock value as poor attempts to be scary

[slow spade]

Oh well, at least there's plenty of new stuff coming these days in games. I'm not too familar with movies though

[somber axle]

I want to watch a friend play Pragmata

It's not my style of game to play but I love what I've seen of it and would be so curious to see him play it

[slow spade]

lol yeah Pragmata encouraged me to play Volcano Princess

"my daughter can beat your daughter" game

[somber axle]

He played Signalis for a few of us because a few of us were squeamish and initially I was just there because I was curious and wanted to see what it was about before playing it myself but then I ended up hooked and watching him do multiple full playthroughs for all the endings while we all collectively gushed about the story and chatted about theories together

[slow spade]

ah sounds fun c: I've always liked the story in games (even if it's just breadcrumbs) so I recall good memories with Signalis. I don't recall it being too scary though.

[somber axle]

It was horror but not really scary

[slow spade]

Definitely one of those games where the story is the main hook rather than the gameplay though

[somber axle]

But idk maybe that was just my vibe because I was watching it and not playing it

[slow spade]

indeed, I never really felt too tense besides "oh they're infinitely respawning bruh"

[somber axle]

There's vaguely an Alan Wake collab with Phasmophobia coming too and it might be fun to look at

[tame lodge]

Walking around and hearing "wake"

[slow spade]

Sadly not too connected with the horror games. I know a game called Void Divers is pretty good and has a free demo out

[somber axle]

Alan Wake is solid

[slow spade]

to be frank Void Divers is ONLY a demo out but it's pretty good

[somber axle]

I haven't heard about that one before. I play all sorts of horror stuff but not everything is scary horror. Like I was drawn to Darktide because the initial game trailers made the tone feel like it was meant to be very scary

And Darktide isn't scary

Unless you count silent poxburster train jumpscares

LOL

[slow spade]

lol indeed, I don't really play many horror games myself. I just liked the gameplay loop

[somber axle]

There's horror about the Nurgle stuff but like you're a squad of trained killers going monster mash mode through them like it's Left 4 Dead on steroids

It's not scary

People aren't even afraid of Daemonhosts anymore like in most Aurics I play we just dumpster them now LMFAO

[arctic ridge]

Is there some kind of bug where -- can't use grenades, can't use stims?

& not a keyboard problem, can hotswap & reload just fine.

[somber axle]

Even the casual players know no fear

[upper jungle]

2 questions: 1. what are the differences between the marks of the recon lasgun, 2. is shock trooper recommended if you're using a lasgun?

[slow spade]

yeah, I think horror loses a lot of its impact when you can "reasonably resist"

[somber axle]

Yeah and one that can prevent abilities from working too. It's a really bad bug and I think Fatshark is aware but who knows when they'll fix it or what is causing it

[slow spade]

I've encountered something similar before. Try opening a chest or a door and see if it "unlocks" itself. That usually works for me

[somber axle]

Sometimes stuff just stops working and Expeditions update broke stuff

[arctic ridge]

Yea, done that throughout the map I just lost, & that didn't help. But will keep in mind next.

[somber axle]

I think the exception was Dead Space. The first one and second one felt like immense horror and I remember being scared playing those games. But then Dead Space 3 leaned out of Survival Horror and into the Action Horror genre instead

[arctic ridge]

Yea, ability still worked, but lost anyway.

[arctic ridge]

Unfortunately studio ruled over creator-dev, for that one, alas.

[slow spade]

The differences are primarily Damage per shot, ammo use shot, and firing rate. I personally the middle of the line recon (1 ammo per shot, not the highest fire rate, decent damage per shot)

Shock Troopers is EXTREMELY recommended unless you know what you're doing.

[somber axle]

Yeah unfortunately we can't do much but wait on Fatshark to put out a patch

and just cross our fingers hoping it doesn't happen again

[arctic ridge]

How long has that bug been?

Brought smoke grenades for hi-shock, for nothing.

[slow spade]

Damn :c Must be a different bug then. Fatshark please

[somber axle]

I noticed abilities breaking after Expeditions but the other stuff feels more recent

It's a weird bug where the CD goes in reverse

Someone showed that instead of these things refreshing they tick backward and you get negative CD constantly moving in the wrong direction to never let it come back up

[slow spade]

ah yeah Dead Space can be pretty scary. Especially with their speed and ambushes