veteran-class

[plain osprey]

I dislike the Combat knife more for hordeclear

[void dragon]

just that you left your team behind to be eaten alive... but they werent retreating and were charging stupidly to die, so yeah, basically the same

[void dragon]

because the knife is less damage and reach than DS, but it has simillar traits

[fading yarrow]

^

[turbid ibex]

knife actually has better horde clear

because again dueling sword is the literal worst one at horde clear

[fading yarrow]

I also posit chainsword for worse horde clear

[turbid ibex]

nah chainsword is pretty good for horde clear

it just shits itself once any carapace shows up

[void dragon]

Chsword does good horde clear, but it MUST crit

[plain osprey]

I mean, it all depends on the horde and Situation. I usually crab walk with the DS. One step back, one to the side. Also, on massive mixed hordes you usually have to move back anyways for a bit, even If its just to dodge the reaper back that spawned at the end of it

[void dragon]

crit sweeps do quite respectable horde clear

[plain osprey]

Heavy sword/Devils claw my beloved.

Unfortunately both Shit at carapace

[void dragon]

Hsword and Dclaw love their husband: the krak nades

[dusty relic]

is Power falchion any good?

[jovial yarrow]

It’s ok. Not amazing but serviceable

[fading yarrow]

I'm quite fond of it but it requires some finagling and patience to kill Crushers with it

[dusty relic]

I'm fond of Helbore Lasgun and wanted something to clear normal mobs

I think I'll go with the Devil's

[fading yarrow]

Falchion is quite good for horde clear and specials, Devil's Claw too

[void dragon]

falchion still feels that should hit a tad harder while active

but i think it delivers

[spark bough]

Is revolver plus knife on weapon specialist bad? That's what I've been running on vet

[spark bough]

I'm dumb

I can't words right

I meant vet

[sonic kayak]

Answer remains the same

Better yet, if it works for you and you win, then it works

[spark bough]

I LOVE combat knife on vet

[fading yarrow]

Knife with uncanny and lacerate, serrated blade talent, revolver with surgical and handcannon, weapon specialist

Lots of fun

[void dragon]

Combat knife and revolver is what I run on my Resident evil cosplay and it slaps (still can't decide if stealth or shout is better thematically tho)

[dusty relic]

does parry work against dog's pounce?

[void dragon]

Don't believe so

It's basically a block and those don't stop dog

[fading yarrow]

I use stealth for my own RE cosplay on Zealot (Hunk ofc because of the 110th gasmask)

[void dragon]

Damnit that's so smart

[void dragon]

How you run that build?

[fading yarrow]

Nay. It's a tackle and not a normal attack; see also: Mutant grab, Chaos Spawn grab

[spark bough]

I am running it on my John Elysium cosplay

[sonic kayak]

Doesn't work against any grabs/traps

Or ranged, obviously

Otherwise? Everything is fair game

Even overheads

If you perfectly parry you won't even break your stamina

[fading yarrow]

I'll send the talent tree if I can't find the original build from zealot chat pins, but for weapons I use the combat knife ofc, and I switch between shredder autopistol and Vraks Mk5 IAG

Oh and I use Tac axe as an alternative to the knife since Hunk has one in RE9

You know what actually, gimme 5

[fading yarrow]

All in on Inexorable Judgement for the keystone

Couldn't find my Taxe, but I use Shred and Headtaker/Decimator with Flak and Unyielding

[dusty relic]

nice!

[low orchid]

thanks big E

btw i dont get why people say that plasma gun is good?

compared to recon las it is way worse

[tall torrent]

are u shooting it a lot / charging shots a lot

[low orchid]

yeah, i love shooting

[tall torrent]

yea ur using it wrong that way

[low orchid]

like what's the point of playing veteran

if you don't shoot?

[tall torrent]

veteran is a hybrid combat class, not a "shoot forever at everything" ranged class

[tame lodge]

You're not comparing the 1 shot insta kill 18 cleave weapon to the shoot 100000 times and the enemy still alive 1.5 to 3 cleave

You're just not

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[charred halo]

why am i seeing people actually use smoke grenades

do they actually do something now

[tame lodge]

🧑‍🚀

It's unbreakable psyker bubble

Adjacent

It sees a good amount of play in havoc because ranged enemies hurt there

[charred halo]

it what

[tame lodge]

It's unbreakable psyker bubble adjacent

[charred halo]

so is it

[tame lodge]

Aka stops most enemies from shooting

[charred halo]

gun immunity

oh i see

hm

[tame lodge]

It also confuses dogs

[charred halo]

honestly i’ll stick with the ol reliable for aurics

https://cdn.discordapp.com/ephemeral-attachments/1046913589614747719/1490826739948060803/caption.gif?ex=69d57819&is=69d42699&hm=e01c89b246353280176f7c427425d4c0989aaa53673394903f6c4d3f48cf98d9&

[tame lodge]

Trappers have to get really close

Beast of Nurgle have to get close

Gun Twin can't do shit

No shooting no mining

[low orchid]

I used it once against mobs, it killed nothing and it didn't even bring a gunner down to half ho while i was leveling

And I was traumatized

Is it that good?

[low orchid]

Honestly the only thing I like about veteran is the crack

The crack cocaine and the crack grenade

[tame lodge]

Yes
You were leveling

Low level weapons suck

[low orchid]

The class wasn't fun overall compared to the others

[hybrid plover]

Smokes have been useful for a while

They're just redundant for anything below Havoc for the most part

[tame lodge]

I'm currently missing 11 damage to 1 shot headshot scab gunners

The cons of Blaze Away Optimized Cooling

I guess

[hybrid plover]

Bruh

[tall torrent]

plasma wants headshots (much like almost every other ranged weapon in the game)

[hybrid plover]

Tbf that's one of the weirder setups

[tame lodge]

11 shots

Instead of 8

This one is also ammo dumped

💀

[distant plaza]

What’re the exceptions? Braced auto guns? 👀

[tall torrent]

psyker staffs (except voidstrike's big blueball) can largely not care

[tame lodge]

Welp
I guess it's time to roll some plasma weapons

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun obviously

ext3 shotgun

braced autogun

shredder autopistol

ogryn guns outside heavy stubber & GG

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

Ooh sixth roll
An actual ammo dump one

Cool

8th charge dump

[somber axle]

Plasma is a really shitty weapon while leveling Vet but arguably becomes Vet's best weapon by the time you're max level and able to build a full talent tree + max out weapon and optimize breakpoints

[tame lodge]

9th charge dump

[somber axle]

Recon is still solid at end game too including into Havoc so if you like Recons you don't have to stop using them

[tame lodge]

15th charge dump

[somber axle]

The only Vet weapon that vaguely puts it into mostly shooting and less hybrid status is Helbore right now

And Helbores are also the only Vet ranged weapon worth using on Crushers for Aurics/Maelstroms/Havoc

[tame lodge]

18th thermal dump

[somber axle]

Other ranged weapons either can't harm Carapace or are too costly for ammo to consider it

[tame lodge]

20th charge

[somber axle]

Oh also you can build Plasma to shoot Crushers but don't

The game is not balanced for that gun to do that

LOL

[tame lodge]

Hold on now

48

Let's see

72 charge

68 thermal

[somber axle]

there's also funny mortis trials shenanigans where you can get a special thing called Full Auto to buff your Exe Stance so you have a bottomless clip and I would recommend any Vet at least try Mortis Trials for the fun of being able to finally rapid-fire a Boltgun without fear into walls of Ogryns

it's so fun

[tame lodge]

Aaaallllright

8 shots

That's the one

48th plasma

[plain osprey]

I dont like the plasma gun. The handling, the lack of aiming, the sound it makes, the looks, the way movement works... Meh... I stay with my bolt weapons please and thank you

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-truth-nuke-family-guy-truth-nuke-true-truth-gif-7791834068292579042

[amber vortex]

I just like the lasguns

Infi, recon, helbore, pistol, they're great

[void dragon]

Still would want the infantry stamina cost to be much lower, but it feels much better than it used to be

[somber axle]

I also prefer Lasguns and Boltguns

Plasma is a very unique thing to 40k but like in Darktide it sorta feels boring to play

Maybe if they worked in the charged shot to be worth using but they've been struggling to balance that forever

I think charged shot needs a damage buff because you're already eating more risk taking time to charge and spending more ammo

If you can fire 3 hip fire shots with zero risk to explode in the same time a charged shot takes to fire you should be doing more than 3 times the damage of your hip fire with that shot

[languid stump]

Got the ‘kill 90 enemies in 30 seconds’ penance

[elfin glacier]

I've been sticking to the las infantry rifle or autorifle. What build do you use with a helbore las?

[shell harness]

usual vet stuff, and left/middle of tree

armorbane and surgical are great for the weapon

[elfin glacier]

I am guessing the one that saves ammo on crit with a las?

[hollow ibex]

Here's a build

[shell harness]

yup, and the keystone in that left side as well

[elfin glacier]

Thanks. Infantry lasgun has a great ammo economy but it feels like it lacks burst damage for huge specalist waves

The autogun is the opposite. I'll give the helbore a try.

[somber axle]

this is what I use

I use the Mk V because it has a fast fire rate and can skip Weight of Fire comfortably enough to grab Hot Shot instead for the synergy with Withering Fire

[elfin glacier]

I like that middle power for the toughness regen. It's a life saver.

[somber axle]

Carapace/Unyielding as perks, Surgical/Hot Shot for blessings

Lets you do some really funny moments deleting entire lines of Shotgunners as they filter through a hallway/door/chokepoint

The cleave gets so silly

Still has enough damage to punch through Carapace easily

Exe Stance/MMF Helbores are just so so good

It feels like cheating getting to kill everything in so few shots for free with Surgical/Shock Trooper tbh

If you want you can swap the point off the 15 stack Marksman's Focus subnode into something else you prefer

[elfin glacier]

dont you feel squshier without voice of command? or is that just a crutch you wont need with better skill?

[somber axle]

Not really

Iron Will/Exe Stance gives me enough personal survivability

Once I get an elite/special kill rolling for Confirmed Kill I can stand out there without too much worry

Gunner Resist on curios

1 HP, 2 Toughness

Enough to survive sniping things without being too afraid of getting shot back

[tall torrent]

Exe stance vet is the highest toughness replenishment class in the game

[elfin glacier]

I am new so I don't have any of this stuff. When should I work on getting the right blessings on my weapons? After lv 30?

[tall torrent]

It’s like flat out 2x better than the next best

[somber axle]

Voice of Command is just a really good team support tool for the gold toughness and AoE stagger

[tall torrent]

Get to 30 first ye

[elfin glacier]

Wow OK so it's just selfish in that it only affects yourself

[somber axle]

it's good at creating space if you're cornered or to create space if someone is down/in trouble

there's Born Leader I guess

but like outside of making fun support builds to become a team toughness battery I don't see many Vets take it

Demo Team/Leave No One Behind are just both more useful for that row

[tall torrent]

Nah it just makes vet way better at doing what they do best

[somber axle]

and there are better talent nodes to spend on

Voice of Command is still a good option

I'd still recommend Exe Stance because the constant toughness generation is good

btw if you're new I'd also recommend checking this channel's pins

the guide there is very well written

the in-game tooltip for Exe Stance does not tell the whole story

it also gives you stun immunity, slow immunity, uninterruptible

a lot of stuff in Darktide isn't explained well in game so there are a bunch of player guides on this discord with good info

[elfin glacier]

first question of the guide. why is this guide so long lol

becuase NERD! 😛

[somber axle]

LOL it's just because there's so so much in this game that Darktide itself makes no effort to explain to the player

I'd recommend using the little sidebar to click through easier

Reading the whole thing is an ordeal and feels like a homework session but it will answer any questions you have

You can click on a weapon and know the best blessings/perks

And the right dump stat

[elfin glacier]

why do they have both Finesse and crit damage in the damage formula? why would you do this? lol

[somber axle]

It explains weapon combos for melee too

Fatshark moment LMFAO

[elfin glacier]

I like that every weapon is covered. The meta slave is never as impressive as taking meh weapons and clearing the hardest content regardless lol

[somber axle]

I think they're still adding to it? Idk

[tall torrent]

This is actually the simplified version

I could make it much longer

[elfin glacier]

I find it funny that some of the template builds dont have a selected grenade. use whatever I guess

or is that a bug?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

No. Intended

[elfin glacier]

thats nice to have the option open

[floral hearth]

grenades are very much a personal thing

[tall torrent]

Usually go frag or krak

Frag better at mixed horde

Krak better at blowing up specific things

[spare cedar]

smokes are demonic

ngl

[tall torrent]

Smokes need 3-5 more utility functions to be good

[elfin glacier]

also interesting that theres a build for all 3 abilities. I wonder a steath vet is like to play lol

[spare cedar]

I get smokes every single game

[tall torrent]

It’s just veteran

But stealth

[spare cedar]

even in rotten armor

[floral hearth]

the only utility of smokes as of right now is to get the penance cosmetic

[tall torrent]

But the best abilities are stance/VoC still

[elfin glacier]

I did see a vet actually using smoke well. it was fun to run into melee vs a horder of ranged guys under smoke cover lol

[spare cedar]

and h40

[somber axle]

you swap based on your loadout and the mission tbh like Smokes are very niche but also very useful in higher difficulty content but most people use Kraks because deleting Crushers and opening up a wall of Bulwarks all stacked on each other is more useful

also Smoke grenades are way better than they seem and mess with enemy AI

pox hounds literally can't pounce someone in smoke

[floral hearth]

still iffy compared to the other options, but might be a subjective thing

[somber axle]

if all players are in the smoke the dogs will just run in circles LOL

[spare cedar]

yeah smoke pickrate in HK servers are like 90%

[somber axle]

smoke just isn't very useful for earlier difficulties

you never really need it

[elfin glacier]

I did just watch a video about smoke greande use and they panned the camera to birds eye view to show how confused the AI became lol

[somber axle]

when we first got Smoke grenades and Executioner's Stance the talent tree was such that it was a major talent tax trying to get both and it really sucked not really being able to make a good build using both but after like 5 different Vet talent tree reworks the tree is more free and you can get anything together without spending extra points

[elfin glacier]

I like the complexity of builds here. A nice change from SM 2 which is kind of mindless barebones builds.

[tall torrent]

Oh lol vet build has no real complexity unfortunately

[somber axle]

it's really nice having Exe Stance/Smokes and being able to safely snipe elites/specials from smoke knowing you will not get hit with the silent pox hound from behind and barely have to care about the gunner/reaper spam

[tall torrent]

Vet build is just

[floral hearth]

oh the meta builds still exist, dont you worry

[somber axle]

beyond just shooting them

[tall torrent]

Follow the standard template

Lolol

[tame dragon]

Gonna be real I was struggling on Auric before I discovered smoke grenades (my crutch)

[elfin glacier]

for now I shall stick with voice of command since it helps my team while leveling lol

[floral hearth]

won't be helping your team if you're not having fun

[somber axle]

whenever I use Infiltrate it mostly feels like I'm playing ambulance and rescuing people or hitting stealth so I can do an objective without needing someone to play babysitter for my Vet to fidget with a device

I don't use it very often

it's useful for expeditions for sure

[elfin glacier]

for higher tier I will consider Executioners stance because that does seem the solution to "I got pinned to a wall and have horde and Crushers or Ragers smashing my face. Help, Im dying lol"

[somber axle]

and kinda Gloriana because that first segment of trying to work the machine controls can be tricky depending on your team

[tall torrent]

Be Chad and level with stance

[somber axle]

it just makes it easier to force progression on objectives

[tall torrent]

It helps u learn the game way faster

Also u will prob want 2 mods for stance

[tame dragon]

Exe stance can be up for a long time if you take the node with ranged enemies being marked. That 10% toughness regen goes insane even when slashing through crowds of them

[floral hearth]

and killing ranged asap helps the team too

[tall torrent]

Constant FOV (make exe stance not shrink ur FOV)
Gas outlines (make enemies outline not be disabled if ur inside gas)

[elfin glacier]

interesting use and yeah I have had missions already where it was a complete shit show to try to do the objective with constant waves of enemies.

[somber axle]

I just use Ogryn node

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just all ogryn mark now for extended duration

[somber axle]

9 sec duration is crazy enough

LOL

killing another elite/special in a 9 sec window is so generous

you can reload boltgun without any reload talents and still get a kill without worry

[tame dragon]

I didn't think it affected the reset time honestly

[elfin glacier]

is power sword actually good for armoed enemies?

[tame dragon]

y e s

[somber axle]

yes

power sword is the strongest Vet melee

it's also not even close

[elfin glacier]

good, I just got my first purple power sword lol

[somber axle]

it deals with everything but you need to have Power Cycler 2

[tame dragon]

If you do the stab into downward slash, most things die

[somber axle]

also Brutal Momentum/Sunder

when you have those blessings it cleans hordes

[tall torrent]

Vet best melee

[elfin glacier]

interesting

[somber axle]

the Mk 6 Power Sword special into push attack combo clears Crushers quickly and comfortably

[tall torrent]

Lemme show u just how strong it is

[spare cedar]

theres bm on psword?

is that even good lol

[somber axle]

yes

[elfin glacier]

ah so a weapon that can deal with those guys in melee. Are those called ragers?

[somber axle]

Brutal Momentum is honestly just a really strong blessing

you want it on Rashad Combat Axe too

[tame dragon]

It can deal with anything in melee

[spare cedar]

I don't think it's good on the power sword

[tall torrent]

Yes top tier

[elfin glacier]

I know crushers are the big armored ogyrns

Im guessing those guys are the Ragers?

[tall torrent]

10 Dreg ragers

[somber axle]

yeah those are ragers

[elfin glacier]

makes perfect sense lol

[somber axle]

they're very fast and it's good to practice dueling them while leveling

[tall torrent]

Not duelling, solo 6 of them at once, no damage taken

[somber axle]

when you get to higher difficulties the spawn director will throw like 20 of them at the team and you'll have them in your face a lot

[tall torrent]

This is a baseline requirement

[elfin glacier]

I usually gun them down but I do want to learn to handle everything with melee. Guns are the real crutch of this game lol

[spare cedar]

they should add the plague monks from vt2

[elfin glacier]

well, not any different then SM 2 in that regard

[somber axle]

idk that lower difficulties will have enough spawns to fight swarms of ragers but definitely fight more and more as you level

[floral hearth]

do you even like having fun

[tall torrent]

There’s just significantly higher melee enemy pressure in DT than SM2

[spare cedar]

yes I wish to see 1000 plague monks in darktide

[somber axle]

as soon as you can go melee into a rager ball comfortably without fear you're in a good spot

[floral hearth]

actual rager talk

[somber axle]

OH ALSO

very important

[elfin glacier]

lower levels usually have 3 to 4 ragers, not many but I do want to pratice. Its fun to hop into and out of range with a crusher and try to bop him in the head with your melee lol

[somber axle]

learn to dodge RIGHT when the Chaos Spawn tries to grab

do not dodge left or backward

[spare cedar]

imagine seeing the entire horde bumrush out of a single door

chills

[somber axle]

I know it feels weird to dodge into the arm but it's the way to escape the grab consistently

think of it as dodging under the arm

[tall torrent]

Get creature spawner mod, allows u to practice

And unlike SM2 modding doesn’t lock u out of matchmaking

[elfin glacier]

is that doging into the attack so you I-frame it?

[tall torrent]

It’s not I frame

There’s no i-frame in DT

[floral hearth]

you just evade the grab area

[elfin glacier]

ah so its just moving out of the hitbox

[somber axle]

it's more that the grab is very wide and swings hard left

so you're not going to escape it going left

[tall torrent]

Dodge in DT is disabling enemy tracking on u

[elfin glacier]

I'll try to remember this but Im sure I will just panic lol

[somber axle]

and it has more range than it looks like so backward will not work either unless you're something like Hive Scum with the higher dodge distance and even then I wouldn't risk it when it's a lot easier just to dodge right

[tall torrent]

Otherwise it tracks u and will hit u even if you’re visibly outside their reach

[elfin glacier]

I would die so fast if this was real lol

[tall torrent]

Also remember that toughness is not ur shield

[somber axle]

the Rejects who have survived this far are insane LOL

[elfin glacier]

it would just be a loud shrill scream and then death lol

[somber axle]

Rannick just feeding convicts to the meat grinder for months until eventually a few squads just stop dying and start winning

[elfin glacier]

He said he'd almost complement us if he was a nice man

high praise lol

[tall torrent]

Toughness is fundamentally a DR mechanic in this game

[somber axle]

yeah the story has us as proper Inquisition Acolytes and I think members of the 53rd Moebian Regiment?

[tall torrent]

Unlike SM2’s armor segments

[tall torrent]

We’re not part of m53rd

[somber axle]

we grow WAY beyond being just convicts sent on suicide missions

[elfin glacier]

so wait the talent for vet that reduces toughness damage at max toughness, how valuable is that compared to other classes that dont get that?

[floral hearth]

im just waiting for rannick to show himself as grendyl

[somber axle]

I was so hopeful when Dukane mentioned recruitment but it hasn't really been represented other than the cosmetic armour

[tall torrent]

You should always have iron will

There is no valid situation where u don’t take it

[elfin glacier]

ok so Ironwill is stupidly good

[somber axle]

yes it's very very important

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty much half the reason vet is durable

[somber axle]

you'll feel the difference immediately with and without it

[spare cedar]

Other classes have different ways to regen toughness

[elfin glacier]

I know in SM 2 you get damage reduction at lower health. Im not sure how toughness works

[spare cedar]

on arbites you just sprint and get toughness back

[elfin glacier]

Im sure its in your guide though. let me check

[tall torrent]

Ye

Basically

Vs ranged it takes all until broken

Vs melee it’s percentage DR based on how much u have compared to total

So if u get hit by melee with 100% toughness u don’t take health damage

[elfin glacier]

Oh its melee that will let some damage through. I have noticed that but didnt figure out what caused some damage to get through my toughness

[tall torrent]

But at 99% toughness, 1% of the attack’s damage will be dealt to health

Half health full toughness = ur fine if u play well

Full health half toughness = you’re about to be fucked

[elfin glacier]

so low toughness is just as bad as no armor in SM 2

got it

I asume we dont have the damage resistance at lower health that SM 2 does?

[tall torrent]

Baseline no

[somber axle]

Iron Will is toughness damage reduction and helps so much with keeping it high and healthy so you never take HP chip damage

[tall torrent]

Some classes have talents that can give DR

There’s global DR and toughness DR

Global applies to health as well

[elfin glacier]

wait, who the heck gets global DR? that sounds hella strong

[tall torrent]

Uh

Every class except vet

[somber axle]

we're squishy

[tall torrent]

[elfin glacier]

oh is that one of the aura options?

[tall torrent]

But vet has 2~4x their toughness replenishment

What matters is keeping your toughness up at max

To avoid chip damage onto health

[narrow torrent]

Ogryn

It’s why you can run triple health curio Ogryn

[elfin glacier]

is there much difference between gray, green, blue, purple tier weapons I am getting while leveling up?

[somber axle]

just available perks/blessings

[tall torrent]

Those are just how many perks/blessings it has

[elfin glacier]

it doesnt seem like the stats are effected much nor are the blessings that big a deal?

oh interesting

[tall torrent]

Perks and blessings are the important stuff

And the weapon’s stat roll

And what variant it is

And what weapon it is

[elfin glacier]

which combat shotgun has the solid slugs?

[somber axle]

a good rule of thumb is all stats should be 80 except mobility or collateral depending on which stat the weapon has

[tall torrent]

VII

[somber axle]

there are only a few that drop another stat to 60

[elfin glacier]

ah ok thats the blue one I got. Fun times

[somber axle]

like I think Power Sword wants 80 to all stats except Cleave Targets

just because it does less than Mobility

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure VII is a green paint shotgun

[tall torrent]

Oh blue quality ok

Gear don’t rly matter that much while levelling up

[elfin glacier]

so does that mean those stats will reach the max stats listed when I get to gold tier?

[tall torrent]

Because crafting only majorly opens up after lv30

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

when you max out mastery for the weapon and empower it yeah

[tall torrent]

Quality = card color
Power = number rating

[somber axle]

it will go up to max 70% damage

[tall torrent]

See that 220 number

Get it to 500 and the stat bars are maxed out

[elfin glacier]

oh I have to level that weapon class to 20 to get the max stats

[tall torrent]

But the max potential of each stat is randomized

Fortunately u can godroll almost every weapon easily

[elfin glacier]

oh thats what the number means. Like a power rating for the max stats that gun will have

[tall torrent]

All weapons, except 2, follow 4x80+60 as ideal stats

[somber axle]

Brunt's shop lets you gamble for grey items with the right stats and then take it to Hadron to upgrade it for the perks/blessings you want

the only weapon that is awful to roll in the Vet arsenal is Plasma

just because the ideal stat roll is terrible and hyper specific LOL

some people have spent millions of dockets trying to roll it

[elfin glacier]

real men use las guns lol 😛

[somber axle]

for most other weapons you'll get it in a few rolls

I miss being a Recon main clown tbh

I still love it, it's still a strong weapon and absolutely better than it was when I first picked it up

But Helbore has my heart now

[elfin glacier]

@tall torrent how do you feel about the combat shotgun? It feels fun enough to use but not sure if the small clip and long reload (even if you can shoot immedately whatever you've loaded) are too big a downside at harder difficulties.

[somber axle]

tbh all the Las weapons are in a really good spot

[tall torrent]

Mid tier weapon

[elfin glacier]

well at least its not shit tier lol

[tall torrent]

Inconsistent 1 taps on important targets, especially over range

[elfin glacier]

mid tier is usuable! lol

ah inconsistent one shots vs dangerous specalists sounds like its just worse then boltgun then

[slow spade]

Agri shotgun has 900 damage crits, simply be lucky so you have 100% crit rate

[tall torrent]

It’s mid tier as in, out of the 13 guns that are available on vet, it’s prob somewhere around 7-8

[elfin glacier]

Is there a clear pick between the boltgun and bolt pistol?

[tall torrent]

Yea boltgun is good, boltpistol is abysmal dogshit

[turbid ibex]

Mier

[tall torrent]

Diff purpose weapons tho

[elfin glacier]

Ive been using boltpistol on my zealot....lol

[slow spade]

Boltpistol doesn't have Pinning Fire

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is mostly just for the funny Lethal Proximity shenanigans

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is just horribly designed

[elfin glacier]

but I am still leveling lol

[empty heart]

think bolt pistol is only used for that one buff

[tall torrent]

Worst designed ranged weapon in the game

[turbid ibex]

Boltpistol purpose is boosting grenade aoe and ranged stagger

[tall torrent]

Next to Ogryn’s heavy stubber

[somber axle]

just because that blessing makes grenade blasts wider LOL

[elfin glacier]

Boltpistol has a long reload and small clip. But It sounds like it weaknesses really show post lv 30

[somber axle]

I remember trying to make it work with Deadly Accurate/Surgical and Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus but wow it sucks at stacking and maintaining MMF stacks because it's not a weapon you want to fire frequently

you'll roll through ammo too fast

it has the potential for some funny breakpoints but like

it's not reasonable

[elfin glacier]

ah does the boltgun have way better ammo efficency?

[tall torrent]

The weakness is that this is a gun that takes frequently 2 shots to kill important enemies

And has a 8r mag

[somber axle]

Boltgun has a bigger clip size

[empty heart]

boltgun sucks so much ammo how are people using that

[elfin glacier]

ah ok just not enough firepower, clip too small, reload too long.

[somber axle]

they both do the same base damage but have different blessings

pinning fire is just better than deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

Play melee, in a melee game

[empty heart]

not much of a vet fan tbh

[turbid ibex]

Pretty sure bolter has more base damage

[somber axle]

Boltgun/Boltpistol force you into leaning harder into melee or becoming an ammo tin fiend LOL

[tall torrent]

Same case as combat shotgun
But unlike combat shotgun, boltpistol doesn’t shoot straight

[elfin glacier]

I play SM 2, I am VERY use to the concept of using melee for trash mobs and guns vs high priority targets lol

[tall torrent]

Well here in DT it’s melee for everything

And gun for “what u can’t hit in melee within 2s”

[elfin glacier]

gun still useful for taking out snipers and trapers and dogs, I bet

yes as I thought lol

[somber axle]

probably different ADMs or something but as far as listed damage but also I double checked and Boltpistol has higher base damage LOL

[tall torrent]

Not rly dogs

[elfin glacier]

at least some concepts from SM2 transfer over so lucky me lol

[narrow torrent]

Reject melee, embrace shooty or magic

[somber axle]

probably because that's the Mk III vs the Mk IV

[turbid ibex]

Thats the explosive bolter

[tall torrent]

No, boltgun is same or higher

Check guide

[somber axle]

Mk IIb has the same damage as bistol

[elfin glacier]

bistol? 😛

[somber axle]

Boltpistol

it's better than what the Arbites call their Shield + Shotpistol

[elfin glacier]

wait is that acutally the shorthand for it

[tall torrent]

People use weird abbreviations for this game

[somber axle]

they call that their Shistol LOL

[elfin glacier]

I had a Ogryn momemnt

[turbid ibex]

Pord

[tall torrent]

For example some people abbreviate “twin linked heavy stubber” as “twink”

[somber axle]

I can't believe I've been fooled by Fatshark again

[sonic kayak]

A.S.S.

[tall torrent]

They didn’t fool u tho

[elfin glacier]

this fanbase is a bit sus lol

[tall torrent]

It’s in the game

[somber axle]

wdym the in game numbers are in that screenshot

I literally showed

[sonic kayak]

Paul

[tall torrent]

You’re playing a 40k game what did u expect really

[somber axle]

OH

wait no I'm blind

LOL

[tall torrent]

U compared the lower single shot damage explosive boltgun against the regular boltpistol

[tall torrent]

Would u rather jump over to rogue trader where they simp for a dark eldar daily

[somber axle]

...no wait

I didn't read wrong

[elfin glacier]

by explosive boltgun, does that mean it has splash damage? as in its also good vs a horde?

[turbid ibex]

Embed fail

[somber axle]

this is the same damage

[elfin glacier]

some places the emperor has forsaken lol

[somber axle]

545 vs 545

IIb and IV have the same base damage between bistol and bolter

the Boltgun Mk III funny enough has less damage than the Boltpistol too

LOL

[tall torrent]

I already said above "boltgun is same or higher"

[elfin glacier]

are the damage numbers listed real damage numbers or fake nonsense like SM 2's firepower raitings

[tall torrent]

how real do u want it to be

[elfin glacier]

...... its fake too 🙁

Every game lies to me! lol

[tall torrent]

it's not fake like SM2's power bar

[somber axle]

yeah I was commenting on how the in game numbers are the same

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-hulk-hulk-smash-bruce-banner-i'm-always-angry-gif-5353919742858177543

[somber axle]

oh you don't want to look in general chat then

[elfin glacier]

are the damage numbers at least comparable between weapon classes. SM 2 for some crazy reason has firepower ratings that are not comparable across weapon clases. Why would you do that?

[somber axle]

Vet chat is probably the most sane chat I think?

Zealots get pretty wild

anytime I look in Psyker chat they're doing MMORPG style charts tracking uptime on edging their brains exploding

[elfin glacier]

Zealot was currently talking about silent hill lol

[tall torrent]

kinda

just

dont trust the stagger stats

and

if u want accurate dmg values

[elfin glacier]

stagger is a lie anyway Im sure

[tall torrent]

hand test in meat grinder

[tall torrent]

well no it's just that

dmg and stagger systems in DT are

exceedingly complex

and they don't list everything to u

even my guide doesn't

[elfin glacier]

I see that this too is a game where the devs say "go figure this shit out yourself, good luck"

[tall torrent]

by exceedingly complex it means

the easiest way to figure out how much dmg ur dealing

is rly just to test in meat grinder

as opposed to doing math on dmg bonuses' calculations

[elfin glacier]

how high do you get crit rates for vet in endgame?

[slow spade]

100% because I'm lucky UwU

[elfin glacier]

and does shooting weakpoints increase your crit chance like in other games or are those two sperate things?

[turbid ibex]

Separate

[elfin glacier]

ok, good to know

[turbid ibex]

Idk any games where thats even a thing

[slow spade]

You have a base crit of 7.5%

[turbid ibex]

Usually its a separate modifier

[tall torrent]

depends on which attack & talents u take

[tall torrent]

10

[turbid ibex]

10%*

[slow spade]

oh right

That's Arbites

woops

[tall torrent]

crit and weakspot are 2 separate things

[tame dragon]

I go for 100% crit rate because I am desperate to never be accused of consuming all the ammo boxes

[elfin glacier]

someone went too far with the lex 😛

[turbid ibex]

And psyker

[tame dragon]

There's always plenty to spare

[tall torrent]

there's base, weakspot, crit, and crit weakspot

[somber axle]

only with Headhunter blessing

[tall torrent]

these may do diff dmg values

[somber axle]

like on the Infantry Lasgun

or Recon

[elfin glacier]

Did the devs make this complicated on purpose? lol

[tall torrent]

yes

[elfin glacier]

hahahaha

[slow spade]

They did it to themselves

[tall torrent]

and this is not vaguely the most complex part

[tame dragon]

I like dumdum over headhunter. Less shots = less ammo consumed

[slow spade]

ADM time UwU

[tall torrent]

like I said, the dmg/stagger systems are quite complex

especially dmg

[turbid ibex]

It would be really impressive if they made it this complex by accident

[tall torrent]

stagger system is actually not that complex but it's not told to u at all

[elfin glacier]

Guide WP: You have no idea how many hours of my life I have dedcated to unraveling the mess of concepts in DT lol

[somber axle]

it'd be really funny if they made it this complex by accident and have been wrestling with it ever since

Guide dude probably has spent the most of anyone who has ever looked at Darktide exploring this game tbh

[tall torrent]

stagger in dt is a breakpoint system basically

[slow spade]

It's basically all but confirmed that they didn't learn from Vermintide. This monster is of their own free will UwU

[tall torrent]

not even close

[elfin glacier]

it wouldnt be the first game to hve done just that

[tall torrent]

kuli, jsat, tyr, exhillious

and others I can't name off the top of my head

[somber axle]

I need to read Kuli's guide at some point

[turbid ibex]

Six maybe?

[tall torrent]

idk

[turbid ibex]

He's the only other person i can think of that looks through the code directly

[somber axle]

just be very careful about getting info on Darktide from youtubers because most of them are spreading misinformation about how the game works either accidentally or intentionally LOL

[tall torrent]

there're more for sure

[elfin glacier]

basically fatshark confirmed worshipers of Tzeentch. lets make this as complicated as possible. FOR REASONS! its all part of the plan, trust.

[somber axle]

the discord is the best place to ask questions

[tall torrent]

only fatshark could code an attack with 0.001 cleave and give it 4 different cleave-distributed targets' dmg/stagger profile

saber are noobs compared to this

[elfin glacier]

I think part of the issue is whoever coded this stuff is likely a meganerd

behold, I know the arcane secrets of MATH

[somber axle]

Darktide has some of the most satisfying combat of any game I've ever played but wow it is frustrating sometimes

[turbid ibex]

Meth*

[slow spade]

spawns a trapper behind the bulwark patrol

[somber axle]

silent crusher jumpscare

[tall torrent]

going from SM2 to DT is like using crack to quit smoking

[elfin glacier]

I just started the game but I like how missions are even shorter then SM 2 missions and somehow more hectic in a very short window of time lol

[slow spade]

I find it funny that DT is a way bigger power fantasy than SM 2

[somber axle]

the amount of times I have been playing and think "I'm the most forward person on the team, the rest of them are directly behind me, I'm watching my flanks well, I'm fine" and then a silent crusher walks right up behind me and bonks me on my clown head is unreal

[slow spade]

That's why you got to use VoC as your crutch

[turbid ibex]

I need this message hanging on my wall

[somber axle]

I'm an Executioner's Stance addict unfortunately

[turbid ibex]

So true bestie

[slow spade]

blocked for using the wrong ability

[tall torrent]

aren't DT missions longer

[somber axle]

I can't shout

I don't get loud, my guns do

[tall torrent]

or is it just because SM2 missions have a lot of waiting

[elfin glacier]

different power fantasy real. the sheer size of the horde you kill is obsurd in DT but SM 2 gives that super human, I will stand my ground, rip the arm off a nid and stab them to death with it and clear a whole horde that way. lol

[tall torrent]

oh DT does that better

lol

[elfin glacier]

nah, SM 2 is longer. the load times are longer too lol

[somber axle]

aren't we killing like at minimum around 2000 heretics/monsters per run

[slow spade]

that's just DT but ogryn

[somber axle]

how many kills are SM2 runs averaging

[tall torrent]

that's every character in DT honestly

[somber axle]

does the game track it

[tall torrent]

smth like 2k?

[elfin glacier]

like 300+

[slow spade]

except psyker, I wish I was a biomancer and could rip arms off people :c

[elfin glacier]

I know, baby numbers compared to DT hahahaha

[tall torrent]

1.5~2k smth like that

[turbid ibex]

Darktide characters could fold a space marine like laundry

[tall torrent]

across all 3 players

DT characters are stronger than the avg space marine unironically

[somber axle]

in fairness the smallest Tyranid is larger than most of the enemies we fight in Darktide

[elfin glacier]

oh I was thinking like the majoris

[somber axle]

a Tyranid Warrior would be like a boss fight for a Darktide team

[elfin glacier]

probably 1k to 2k with all the trash guants lol

[tall torrent]

nah lol

it's just a crusher/bulwark tier enemy

[elfin glacier]

how high do the kill numbers get on Auric?

[tall torrent]

2~3k usually?

[somber axle]

actually wait yeah you're probably right on that LOL

[elfin glacier]

and thats like 1K to 2k per player

[somber axle]

just a faster Crusher enemy

[tall torrent]

no

[elfin glacier]

I mean for SM 2

[tall torrent]

for sm2 idk

but dt auric is usually 2~3k across 4 players

if it drags on maybe 4k?

[slow spade]

my Vet can take on a Hive Tyrant

let me at them

[turbid ibex]

What about h40

[somber axle]

yeah it's usually 2k-3k depending on the map for Aurics

for Maelstroms I've had some maps go 4k+

[tall torrent]

h40 usually 3~4k

[somber axle]

or like HiSTG Auric

[somber axle]

you can have that one, I want to fight a Nurgle blessed Plague Marine or whatever the equivalent would be for the SM2 Helbrute

[elfin glacier]

I did do my first Maelstorm on Heresy last night

[slow spade]

throws you at a Deathshroud

[somber axle]

I CAN TAKE HIM

[elfin glacier]

my god, what a step up in diffculty. That was insane. It also had a modifer to turn some specalists into less monstrosities too lol

[turbid ibex]

throws you at a bouncy castle

[somber axle]

the monstrosities modifier is so so fun

[tame dragon]

There's gotta be a youtube video over this, now y'all have me curious

[somber axle]

fighting lots of monsters makes the game more entertaining imo

except for Burgles

[elfin glacier]

first team failed but second team manage to win somehow. mainly we were very good at sticking together

[somber axle]

Burgles are awful

[elfin glacier]

Burgles?

[slow spade]

I personally don't like the BoN

[somber axle]

agreed

[slow spade]

it's just a big target

[somber axle]

Burgles are the worst boss

[elfin glacier]

whats the Burgle?

[somber axle]

Beast of Nurgle

[turbid ibex]

Beast of nurgle

[slow spade]

Beast of Nurgle

[somber axle]

big slug man vomiting at you and trying to swallow someone

[slow spade]

the puppy boss

[elfin glacier]

oh those are annoying lol

[somber axle]

I want them to evolve

[turbid ibex]

Oupy

[somber axle]

I want Rotflies or whatever they're called

[elfin glacier]

is it worse then a demonhost? lol

[tall torrent]

that modifier is fun

[somber axle]

idk how they'd add Rotflies

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wolp-combat-wolf-gif-8373753437480012599

[somber axle]

I want them though

[elfin glacier]

its absolutely wild, thats for sure lol

[slow spade]

daemonhost is at least a show of skill

[elfin glacier]

is the max level for a weapon lv 20, for mastery?

[turbid ibex]

Embed fail

[tall torrent]

anyway just a basic showcase

[turbid ibex]

Mastery maxes at 20 yes

[tall torrent]

in SM2 against this kind of firepower u just die

[elfin glacier]

I asked what the best generalist weapon for zealot was and a I got a bunch of just use Relic Blade lol

[tall torrent]

it is just relic blade

[somber axle]

some people make builds specifically to kill daemonhosts and then run into matchmaking to hunt them down for fun like one time I matched with randoms and one was a Hive Scum named Dh-feet-sniffer or something and he would play like normal with the team until he noticed a Daemonhost, sprint over before anyone else could do anything and kill it instantly. Daemonhost wakes up at 50% HP and before it can attack once it is dead. That guy said "feet secured" and then left the game

[slow spade]

for general purpose, yeah you can't beat relic blade

[elfin glacier]

I guess its like power sword for vet lol

[tall torrent]

no it's not as good as power sword

[turbid ibex]

Nah

[slow spade]

Relic Sword wishes it was Psword

[elfin glacier]

wait, vet is a melee class? I thought that was Zealot's specalty?

[somber axle]

Vet is a hybrid

[tall torrent]

vet is a hybrid combat class

[somber axle]

Ranged and melee

You want to be doing both and adapting to combat as you go

[elfin glacier]

I do everything. Just run 4 Vets lol

[somber axle]

Psyker and Hive Scum are the only classes that can kinda go true Ranged and almost avoid engaging with melee at all

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist path gives +70% damage for just playing the game normally to give an idea

[turbid ibex]

Power sword is also like

A legit contender for best melee in the game

[elfin glacier]

that it crazy lol

I love the mutant that just gets one shot as soon as you see it lol

[tame lodge]

Every class is just a different flavor of zealot

Some taste better

[somber axle]

Power Sword is really really strong

A warning though

It needs certain talents to make it feel good

It's a very slow weapon with a small dodge distance/slow dodge speed

[turbid ibex]

It also has godawful mobility

[tame lodge]

Then some are as bland as Arbites

[somber axle]

You want Trench Fighter and Weapon Specialist to help with that

[tall torrent]

dodge speed is normal

[slow spade]

thankfully the talents needed to boost psword are ones you want to get anyways

[tall torrent]

just short dodge distance

[elfin glacier]

combat axe is kind of fun if you can one shot kill on head hit

[tall torrent]

but it is a weapon that demands better melee fundamentals than most

[elfin glacier]

its just amusing to see heads constantly exploding

[turbid ibex]

So you need to actually get good at melee

[somber axle]

Rashad Combat Axe is probably one of the strongest weapons in the game too

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[somber axle]

Headtaker/Brutal Momentum Rashad wipes through things so well

[tall torrent]

it's the strongest melee on hive scum

[slow spade]

outside of Havoc that is

[tall torrent]

in havoc still

for hive scum

lol

it just mogs every other melee

[somber axle]

It's not as strong as Power Sword on Vet but Rashad Combat Axe is still up there

[tame lodge]

We should let zealot use all melees

[tall torrent]

no diff

[tame lodge]

[slow spade]

even without the Brutal?

ah ok

[turbid ibex]

Why would you not use brutal

[elfin glacier]

is combat axe good for zealot? or is it just relic blade all the time lol

[tall torrent]

as it turns out 1 tapping 4 ragers per attack is op

[slow spade]

oh it can reach that bp even in Havoc?

interesting

[tall torrent]

axe gud on every class but only t0 for hive scum

[turbid ibex]

Its rashad its still going to be strong

[tame lodge]

It's good
Might use martyrdom/IJ

[elfin glacier]

because I know vet has talents to let you one shot on a head hit with Combat axe but I dont know if zealot can do the same

[tall torrent]

on vet/zealot/psyker/arb it's more of a t1 weapon

which is still good

but the downsides are very real

it doesn't cleave well and depends on dmg breakpoints

[elfin glacier]

yeah Ive notied that

[tame lodge]

The rule of thumb is that if it's melee
It'll work on zealot

Lovely

[somber axle]

does Zealot even have any bad melee weapons

[tall torrent]

yea

TH

[elfin glacier]

it is halarious if you can hit those breakpoints and just see constant head chops and explosions

[turbid ibex]

Thunderhammer

[somber axle]

aww

[tame lodge]

Like hammer

[somber axle]

but Thammer is my fav

[turbid ibex]

It one taps bosses and thats it

[elfin glacier]

its funny to see a head just explode from an axe chop lol

[somber axle]

unfortunate that it's the odd one out

[tall torrent]

TH is like 3~5 buffs away from being rly good

[somber axle]

what buffs does it need?

[tame lodge]

Fuckass big hammer doesn't even have good base stagger

[turbid ibex]

Stagger

[somber axle]

I just remember having a lot of fun doing Zealot penances with the Thammer and slamming bosses into oblivion

[slow spade]

infinite cleave on power attacks

[somber axle]

wait it doesn't have good stagger???

how does the HAMMER not have good stagger???

Fatshark what

[tame lodge]

Fatshark

[elfin glacier]

@tall torrent Would you just go with boltgun for zealot or heavy las pistol to pair with the relic blade. wait, do you got a guide for all the classes?

[turbid ibex]

Guide has both vet and zealot

[somber axle]

Zealot is in the guide here too

in pins

[slow spade]

if you're new and leveling, I'd personally suggest agri combat shotgun

[somber axle]

their talent tree explanations and weapons are in the same guide

[tame lodge]

Grievous Wounds is like day and night on hammer

[tall torrent]

maniac impact ADM buff (so it can stagger dreg ragers by itself)
heavy sweep cleave distribution dmg buff
activated light & heavy attack carapace ADM buff
activated attack self-stun duration nerf
block cost reduction (buff)

[elfin glacier]

combat shotgun eh, hmmm

[tall torrent]

both boltgun and laspistol are good

these 2 weapons are just good on every class

[tame lodge]

They also need to do something about Ironhelm

No one uses it

No one remembers it

[somber axle]

that's a long list of needs wow

[elfin glacier]

heavy laspistol is just nice for ammo economy and picking off snipers and other dangerous stuff

[tall torrent]

yea I said 3~5

[elfin glacier]

sometimes I want some range on my zealot lol

[tall torrent]

do 3 of those and it'll be fine
do 5 of those and it'll be really good

[somber axle]

yeah I just wasn't expecting that much to fix it

[tall torrent]

first 3 matter more than the latter 2 but

all 5 need to be addressed imo

[slow spade]

I'm surprised they still have animation locks on weapons

[tall torrent]

throwing knife

[elfin glacier]

I heard that the infantry lasgun was just buff this patch, is it decent now?

[tall torrent]

mid tier weapon

[slow spade]

like it feels dogshit to be locked in place

[elfin glacier]

interesting

[slow spade]

it has 50% armor pen on flak lmao

even the combat shotgun has 100%

[tame lodge]

Bets on hammer block being addressed

[elfin glacier]

ok so meh for armor

[turbid ibex]

Meanwhile falchion having a list twice as long

[tall torrent]

twice is underselling it

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun feels a lot better to use now but it's also not any better than Vet's top weapons

and it's weaknesses weren't fixed

[tall torrent]

falchion list is maybe 4x as long

[somber axle]

it's still weak into Flak/Cara

[tame lodge]

It's also the same weapon that can damage SM armor
Albeit you need a lot of those

[somber axle]

You still need Rending to deal with Flak and will need to swap melee into Crushers

[turbid ibex]

Bets on any of the issues being addressed at all

[somber axle]

but like most ranged weapons need to swap melee on Crushers so it's fine

[slow spade]

yeah I wonder why the Falchion was released in such a weak state

[tall torrent]

they're being overly conservative towards making balance changes

[slow spade]

there's no way a playtester fought a rager with the Falchion and went "yeah this is fine"

[somber axle]

they did it on Malice

[slow spade]

such is life :c

[elfin glacier]

I was using the flame grenades. But throwing knives are good for eliminationg ranged specalists like snipers or too many damn shooters in a group?

[hollow ibex]

vibecoded ass game is why

[tame lodge]

They literally said
"HERE, damn"

[tall torrent]

zealot only has 1 good blitz unfortunately

[tame lodge]

Because vets were complaining about not getting a new toy

[somber axle]

Zealot flame grenade is desperately in need of a buff

[turbid ibex]

Knives are zealot's only good blitz

[elfin glacier]

and thats throwing knies? damn lol

[tall torrent]

yea

[slow spade]

there's no way Zealot is still stuck on The Build (tm)😭

[tall torrent]

well no

[elfin glacier]

I will make the switch and try out throwing knives then

[tall torrent]

they don't have a "the build" like vet atm

[somber axle]

anything to avoid releasing Longlas

[tall torrent]

zealot has way better flexibility in choice

[slow spade]

ah ok that's an improvement at least

[somber axle]

[tall torrent]

aura, ability, keystone

[turbid ibex]

Flame nades are godawful and stunstorm are too awkward too use and both have 0 replenishment outside of pickups

[elfin glacier]

wait theres a stealth ability for zealot? a ninja zealot. Thats halarious

[somber axle]

yes

[tall torrent]

yea u can also 1 tap bosses with it

[somber axle]

Shroud is so good

[tall torrent]

it's zealot's best ult

[somber axle]

Shroud Relic Blade and you're instakilling a boss

[tall torrent]

and I don't mean 1 tap like sm2 clickbait boss melting

I mean just flat out 1 hit

[tame lodge]

One day people will love you like I love you Stunstorms

[slow spade]

meanwhile arbites shock mines 😭

[turbid ibex]

They need 1-2 more charges and a way shorter fuse at the very least

[somber axle]

it's really funny that a hard stun like Stunstorm grenade is less useful than Hive Scums Blackout grenades doing stagger

[elfin glacier]

the stealth is their best ult. wow, I was using chorus. How does Fury do? But I guess the stealth is still better?

[somber axle]

in any other game a stun would be stronger than an interrupt

[elfin glacier]

that is really werid lol

[slow spade]

Fatshark has purposely made a better stun nade (shock mines) and leave Zealot stun nades the same because they hate Zealots UwU

[somber axle]

Shock Mines really are just Stunstorm but better aren't they? LOL

[turbid ibex]

Tbh i see shock mines more like better smite

[somber axle]

you even get Shock Mine regen

from Lone Wolf

[slow spade]

you can even regen them lmao

[elfin glacier]

arent shockmines the only good option for Arbites?

[somber axle]

nah

[tall torrent]

fury = dash (makes u invulnerable during this) to an enemy and do a guaranteed crit atk with better dmg & ADM, and get a 20% atk speed buff for 11s

chorus = baby ult

shroud = fuck that guy specifically

[tame lodge]

Alright this is how you trigger me

[slow spade]

I mean it's not like it was hard to be better than the stun nades

[somber axle]

Arby's grenade is actually really good too

[tame lodge]

[somber axle]

Arby's shock is also solid for dog builds

[slow spade]

all 3 nade options are good

[somber axle]

Arby feels like a very good and well balanced class imo

[slow spade]

the dog nade is just annoying to use vs Ogryns

[tame lodge]

Dog is the best one because dog

[somber axle]

other than like what was it

Terminus Warrant

[tame lodge]

[somber axle]

that keystone was awkward

[elfin glacier]

is there an actual downside to running 4 vets? lol

[turbid ibex]

What the dawg doin

[somber axle]

no

just no aura

[slow spade]

the chances of getting 4 competent vets is near 0 is the downside

[tame lodge]

Depends on their builds
But like
No

[somber axle]

like unless each Vet is running different auras you'll have less aura buffs

even if you run all 3 auras you're still missing on one aura

but like that's negligible tbh

4 Vet runs are fun

[tame lodge]

You can possibly explode a burster by accident if all 4 are running grenadier

[tall torrent]

if they use diff abilities, auras, blitz, and fulfill all necessary roles and play competently, no

[elfin glacier]

I have seen smite's run with psyker be useful for the clutch stuns. Like stunning a mob while the rest of the team is fighting a boss.

[tall torrent]

@elfin glacier found the clip

[tame lodge]

Yeah smite is pretty good

Strong too

[turbid ibex]

Lame as fuck tho

[tame lodge]

Extremely fuckin boring

[slow spade]

Smite is good if the player can use it right. The problem is only like 3% of psykers are sentient

[somber axle]

I've had some matches where everyone was Vet and we all had Lasguns

[tame lodge]

For everyone involved

[somber axle]

It felt like being in the Darktide trailer

[elfin glacier]

wait, is that as easy as it looks. Activate the stealth ability, activate the weapons special, and then heavy attack the boss from behind?

[tall torrent]

yes.

[tame lodge]

But that's just Fatshark
Boring is strong and fun is weak

[elfin glacier]

I need to try that, that looks halarious

[tall torrent]

shroud is just

that powerful

[elfin glacier]

BALANCED 😛

[turbid ibex]

And of those 3% only like 1% is competent enough to know not to constantly spam it

[tall torrent]

it kinda is?

[tame lodge]

That's a sprint heavy btw

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[tall torrent]

it's the only gimmick zealot does significantly better than everyone else lol

[slow spade]

competence is its own reward UwU

[tame lodge]

It's a heavy

While sprinting

[tame lodge]

Clear signs of griefing

[elfin glacier]

it does leave you vunerable since you lack the utility from stuff like chorus. So its certainly an opertunity cost for taking it. I bet stealth is also clutch for getting teammates up

[coarse gorge]

Hola

New to playing vet

Any tips in how to play

[slow spade]

the funny part is its Ainz that did it. So the team probably got stronger from removing the smite player lol

[tame lodge]

Thou shalt not kill your teammate

[somber axle]

is discord being weird about gif embeds lately for anyone else

[tall torrent]

chorus is strong support ult but zealot really wants a dmg ult 90%+ the time

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[tall torrent]

u just slash ur own dps significantly by taking chorus

[elfin glacier]

I can leave the support to voice of command lol

[tame lodge]

If wasn't working earlier yeah

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1468645955732639898/Kill_all_Smykers.gif

[tall torrent]

u don't need VoC to win anyway

stance is arguably better now

[somber axle]

it's still not doing the embed

[slow spade]

Keep in mind that Vet is a melee/ranged Hybrid. Learn to swap between melee and ranged at an instant

[elfin glacier]

yeah I have noticed I dont really have any real damage vs a boss compared to any other class when using chorus

[tame lodge]

Manage your dodges so you don't go negative dodges
Always hit heads

[somber axle]

[tame lodge]

See??
Even discord knows that's a evidence of griefing

[slow spade]

"always hit head" adds more carapace head enemies

[elfin glacier]

rock strong together. stick with your teammates lol

[somber axle]

there's a guide in pins but my main tips are dodge RIGHT when a Chaos Spawn tries to grab, do not dodge left or back

[tame lodge]

And it's trying to protect the innocent souls of seeing it

[tame lodge]

*power sword victims

[elfin glacier]

I love how thats the first tip you think of. I guess people really hate the chaos spawn lol

[somber axle]

it would be if it'd post

[slow spade]

EVERY cspawn only knows how to spam the 3 attack combo

[willow prairie]

chaos spawn is mid tbh

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1468645955732639898/Kill_all_Smykers.gif

[slow spade]

I sure love spamming dodge and backpedling the entire fight

[somber axle]

I'd say push poxbursters but I like to think that anyone coming to the Darktide discord knows that before they get here

[tall torrent]

chaos spawn gets blown up in like 6s

lol

[tame lodge]

Ok but this one is fuckin hilarious

[somber axle]

and I've seen a strange number of Auric players who eat poxbursters to the face trying to melee/shoot them instead of just pushing

[tame lodge]

That's real hate right there

You gotta appreciate the effort

[slow spade]

It WILL target my brother who is our team's krakhead 😭

[somber axle]

most times Chaos Spawn is dead before it really does anything

[turbid ibex]

It was kinda funny going back to vt2 and seeing "oh thats like the exact same moveset as the one from darktide"

[somber axle]

it might get like 1 grab attempt

[elfin glacier]

One tip I got was that the push is 360. So if you hear the pox bomber being about to blow up, just push even if you dont see it. it actually saved me in one game lol

[somber axle]

do not get grabbed

[slow spade]

or play Arbites with dog to nullify the grab attack

honestly it's funny how many threats the dog neutralizes

I think only trappers can truly threaten an Arbites player

and teammates of course because barrels