veteran-class

[midnight totem]

captains and twins have flak armor right?

[somber axle]

I'm shocked Arbites hasn't had anything given how long they've been out

[surreal gust]

It’s because arbitrator has jack and shit for different designs in canon

“Can I offer you a red recolor in this trying time”

[somber axle]

I want a version of the helmet without the white stripe

Maybe one with a gas mask too

Surely that isn't too farfetched

[atomic void]

Nah they do

[surreal gust]

Do they?

[atomic void]

Even if u don't count old art

[surreal gust]

I’ve never really looked into it that much

I just didn’t find much

Lemme see

[tall torrent]

?

vig auto?

3r burst one has best breakpoints

so that's best

[surreal gust]

Yeah I’m seeing it, okay so I can blame fatshark for them getting banished to the one page

[atomic void]

Scum should also be getting waaaaaay more

[surreal gust]

I know that much

[atomic void]

Just slap any gangster fit

[surreal gust]

It’s probably up there with veteran for the easiest cosmetics to make

[atomic void]

I assooooome making things takes time and they're crowded making stuff for existing classes

[surreal gust]

Or they want to stick with one page for DLC classes for whatever reason

Me when I like a class but fatshark says: “5 store cosmetics”

[tall torrent]

how's ur trip

[somber axle]

It's probably also tracking player metrics and the base classes are more played vs DLC

[surreal gust]

Well I mean no shit, the dlc classes are both relatively recent and cost money

[somber axle]

They had the beta metrics tracked to show how many people died, most played class, most dangerous enemy, etc.

They probably keep an eye on class numbers and Arbites/Scum isn't played nearly as much compared to the base classes so they follow the money

[surreal gust]

Which is fair, but would it be so wrong to give us two more sets for em

[somber axle]

It could be a problem of resources? Idk

I know there's the common Games Workshop problem needing to greenlight designs

But if management says more Vet cosmetics then they do more Vet

[surreal gust]

It’s likely just what you said, or maybe they think they’d lose some face if they made more paid stuff for paid classes

And yeah, games workshop throws a wrench in the works

[somber axle]

I think it has to do with themes too

When Elysian week dropped I bought out the whole store even for classes I don't play as often just because they're my fav regiment

You can't do themes like that with Hive Scum or Arbites

[surreal gust]

True

But my point is, I’m not advocating for arbitrator and hive scum to get base game levels of cosmetics, I just want them to have 3 pages in the store

[somber axle]

A lot of their resources may have been tied up in Expeditions

Now that the new mode is out there they probably have people freed up to work on more things

[surreal gust]

Definitely

Trying to get the expedition cosmetics, I really like psyker’s

[somber axle]

The new Expedition cosmetics are surprisingly well done for free cosmetics

Better than some of their paid cosmetics imo

[surreal gust]

Yeah we haven’t had free cosmetics this sweet since like havocs or hestia’s

[somber axle]

The details look really good

Definitely the best motivator for getting people to play the new mode

I kinda wish they'd done weapon cosmetics too like for the Moebian 6th stuff

[surreal gust]

Fair

[languid stump]

My auric no death streak was ruined because it was a lights out modifier and the entire strike team fell down a hole

[limber lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171542147917426728/1489495020578013285/image.png?ex=69d09fd6&is=69cf4e56&hm=38bbe7284bd5d28b3191ec9fe470bfc1e9ed62b5c5c32a70913c94d8268193b6&

[main panther]

vet get a rework?? ran a game with one was dropping a medkit every 25-30 seconds

[limber lance]

probably hive scum

[thorn lark]

HVS with the crate ult.

[main panther]

i didnt have one in my game lol i havent played in a bit reason i was confused XD

[nimble jay]

I managed to blow myself up with a plasma twice on a mission.

[dry galleon]

That'd be hivescum with their stim crate.

[slow spade]

never charge shot

it's literally never worth it

[gloomy rivet]

only time I ever use charge is on bulwark/crusher heads and the back of the beast of nurgle

[slow spade]

its not worth it even then

better off spam firing due to blessings

(not that you should be shooting into ogryns with plasma anyways)

[umbral flint]

whats the beast weapon to complete "make every shot count" i've been playing since launch and still have yet to get it

[pseudo fiber]

double barrel shotgun

spam the braced attack

[umbral flint]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

alr

[hollow ibex]

dw DB is actually good and fun to play

if you do WS

[austere pine]

what's maximum rating of curios? is it 430 or does it go higher?

[turbid ibex]

430

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-surprised-shocked-gif-14940640833910619525

[lost frigate]

I done it with double barrel shotgun without scavenger trait

Play on 4th difficulty

[tidal fox]

what were the comments

[pseudo fiber]

mean

[pseudo fiber]

why must the worse falchion look cooler

[void dragon]

its so you get jealous of them and want to kill em

[pseudo fiber]

I need to kill

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[slow spade]

bad player as usual

[tame dragon]

Is there a new plasma gun dump stat after the nerf?

[narrow frost]

No

[tame dragon]

Still charge rate?

[narrow frost]

71 charge, 69 thermal

If you don't want to roll that, dump thermal

[tame dragon]

I was doing my best to find that roll from the guide but it's not easy

[livid sphinx]

Anyone use pinning fire on the bolter?

[turbid ibex]

i would consider it for magdumping with the mk3

[hollow ibex]

It's the first blessing pick usually

[livid sphinx]

Ohh

Is it better for graping bosses instead of cavalcade?

Cause I always pick Surgical for one tapping and cavalcade for bosses

[hollow ibex]

It's for general elite breakpoints rather than bosses really

[livid sphinx]

Ah alright

[austere pine]

does the bolter also have inverse falloff to a certain point? like it's a bell curve of damage falloff?

[hollow ibex]

i don't think so

[atomic void]

It's good been busy meeting people and adjusting all week

İnternet is so bad tho so rip darktide for now

[ancient path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334601525003026505/1485796651640688682/image0.gif

[grand perch]

i seem to remember it does

would need to recheck

[slow spade]

if the bolter has dropoff, it seems small enough to not matter even at ranges of 30+ meters

[willow prairie]

bolter have good bp when

[austere pine]

i ask because i was testing it with zealot anoint in blood talent, thinking i'd be dealing the most damage when the barrel is right on the enemy, but i had to take a few steps back to deal more damage (about the 25% increase), after which point it would start decreasing in damage again

[slow spade]

Marksmen Focus Bolter UwU

surely the explosive bolt round does good weakspot damage UwU

[livid sphinx]

what bp

[slow spade]

the 1-tap on daemonhost bp when?

[tidal fox]

new daemon monstrosity when?

[open ravine]

I feel like people shouldn't rage quit out of a spiralling mission and if the mission fails anyway just say gg as sometimes you just get unlucky

[slow spade]

but how else will I do solo matches? UwU

[lilac kayak]

havoc quitters

I get them once in a while

[scarlet crescent]

[fleet mesa]

This is the way

[finite skiff]

Which chain weapon should I use? Axe, shovel, or sword?

I honestly can't see any improvement in the chain axe. It's not bad but the chainsword seems to beat it iin everything.

[dry cloak]

chain axe puts out much more damage per hit

especially revved hit

[teal canyon]

Im not fond of chain weapons. They are kinda good, but their special make you vulnerable af

Most of the time i use them if i want to run fast, as using special then switch and use special again give you pretty much free and permanent speed buff unless you have alot of guys in your face you need to kill

[steel veldt]

I need more fucking flashbangs

I meant to send this to Zealot chat

[plain osprey]

They also fell off since the last health buff to enemies. Revved chainsword heavy weakspot crit cant kill a crusher anymore in one hit for eviscerators and normal chainswords.

[scarlet crescent]

what game is this

[steel veldt]

RE4R

[scarlet crescent]

goat

[steel veldt]

Imagine if Vet got flashbangs

Not those pussy blinders Scum get

Actual flashbangs

[dry cloak]

zealot has actual flashbangs

[steel veldt]

Oh yeah, I forget because they suck

but thanks

[last marten]

do they last long enough for a revive

[thorny sluice]

chain shovel??

[dusty relic]

That's metal af

[plain osprey]

World eater way please. Chain fists

[tepid otter]

Just imagining what a chain shovel would look like

[plain osprey]

Metal af.

And highly impractical

[radiant mulch]

As if that matters.

[pseudo fiber]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/NSFnjvb3C0

[silver patrol]

are you asking the same question/is that you or

[pseudo fiber]

Not me dear god

The comments section is a different reality.

A... Heresy reality perhaps

[silver patrol]

why, what are they saying that is that outlandish

ah wait

i get it

[pseudo fiber]

It's scary

[regal belfry]

which taxe mark do you recomnmend and the power falchion dissapoints me

[hollow ibex]

VII is the best overall

[hollow ibex]

imagine writing a fucking thesis just to say in so many words, "I HAVE SKILL ISSUES"

[silver patrol]

true!

[pseudo fiber]

Hours mean nothing it turns out lol

[hollow ibex]

if anything i feel like people with thousands of hours in the game are more likely to not be good at it lol

might be my confirmation bias

[craggy relic]

do we know if the ranged cleave talent is good or bad-

[tame lodge]

None

[craggy relic]

I use the Mk VII

I like it

[craggy relic]

I use it for boltor

[tame lodge]

If your weapon has more than 2 cleave then it's alright

[tame lodge]

It's alright

[craggy relic]

las gun?

[tame lodge]

Which one?

[craggy relic]

infantry

[tame lodge]

iLas has 1.5

With the talent it gets ~2.2

Kinda whatever

[craggy relic]

ik boltor gets 4.5 with it

I like that

[tame lodge]

That being said
Path recommended an iLas build with Wifi because everything on that talent row is pretty meh anyways

[hollow ibex]

i should try zarona CS with wifi

[craggy relic]

wifi?

[tame lodge]

Withering Fire

Wifi

[craggy relic]

oh

yea

got it

so it's fine

got it

gppd

good

[tame lodge]

Recon XIV can also use it because it has 3 cleave

And all Helbores have 3 cleave

[somber axle]

Helbore Withering Fire gives me life

[quiet lark]

what keystone do you run with zarona cs?

[hollow ibex]

WS

Nothing else really fits that well

[willow prairie]

ws revolver is funny

1 shot crusher

[quiet lark]

are the blessings manstopper scatter shot?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's prob the best combo

[weak hamlet]

What do yall recommand in regards to bleed and the knife ? Should I do uncanny + mercy and let serrated do the bleed or forgo serrated and go flesh tearer + uncanny ?

[hollow ibex]

uncanny FT

with serrated

MK isn't worthwhile

[weak hamlet]

You get serrated anyway ? Isn't FT enough ?

[turbid ibex]

10 bleed on a crit is big

[weak hamlet]

But then what would you remove to allow for serrated ? Removing borl leader as already tough

[inland cobalt]

I wonder if its worth it replacing Marksman with Withering Fire for my maximum damage sniper build

Probably not if I want to keep bullying Crushers with headshots

[hollow ibex]

what's your ranged?

[somber axle]

Most of the time I don't grab Marksman because I feel like Exe/MMF with the 15 stack subnode is giving even my quick Helbore Mk V (Surgical/Hot Shot) enough damage to bully Ogryns well enough but it is fun to have if I can spare the point because it gives you incentive to hit the ability again mid-Exe Stance to activate Marksman for a bit more damage

Extra button press feels like an extra DPS CD to fit into usual gameplay and makes things a little more engaging rather than just point and click adventure

The cleave is just too funny for wiping Rager squads and ripping through hordes to snipe Gunners/Specials behind them

A whole line of Shotgunners just evaporating is so so fun

[inland cobalt]

What's the exact Cleave for the Lucius Lasgun, again? Mk.III and Mk.IV, that is

[somber axle]

I usually like dipping down left, middle and right on the bottom side of the tree so spare points are scarce

Trying to get MMF, Skirmisher and Bring It Down always makes it feel so impossible for points

[inland cobalt]

I also pick some in the bottom middle for extra Ogryn/boss damage and grenade spam

[somber axle]

Plus if you're going Superiority/Withering and grabbing Iron Will there's so so few spare points for anything fun

[inland cobalt]

Iron Will is standard for me at this point. I despise Ragers with every fibre of my being

[hollow ibex]

iron will is mandatory on every vet build

trying out vet hammerblow dclaw

it's... ok

def much better on hiv

but then again most melee weapons are better on hiv lmfao

[tame lodge]

All Helbores
3 cleave

[somber axle]

Yeah Iron Will is a must grab always

No Iron Will and you're playing like a Psyker waiting for a Shotgunner to blast off your head from a flank

[willow prairie]

psyker is one of the tankier class but ok

💀

[somber axle]

The times I've seen a Psyker fall over definitely makes it seem like they're not LOL

Arby feels tankiest imo

[mighty python]

Expeditions fit. Desert stealth ops

[hollow ibex]

they get a crap ton of tdr/dr now these days

so they're quite tanky

[somber axle]

Maybe the Psykers I see in Aurics are built different. Maybe they're just built wrong

Usually in Aurics/Maels I'm picking up Psykers more than any other class

I almost never see an Arby go down

[hollow ibex]

arbi is tanky by default

psyker requires you to use two brain cells to create a build that's tanky

[somber axle]

The number of times I have seen a Psyker fall over to poxwalkers lately has been very silly

Probably just newer players or something but idk

Usually when I see a Vet/Zealot/Ogryn/Arby they tend to hold their own well but I've seen Psykers more often than not fold under no pressure if they don't have someone in front of them

[hollow ibex]

it's also just the players

it's what happens when you make a class that doesn't need to engage with fundamental game mechanics

[undone saffron]

the voices were too loud

[willow prairie]

infinite toughness scrier gaze

[thorn lark]

That's just people just playing space magicians with purga and bubble and not engaging in any mechanic whatsoever.

Wow. I wrote that without reading Sirosky's comment

[tame lodge]

Playing the game?
You mean pressing 1 button

[somber axle]

The potential power the class has is insane because a good Psyker makes a hard map easy and you're racing them for kills

But wow a lot of them are not quite there LOL

[mighty python]

Bubble is useful :(

[tame dragon]

I love having a bubble or shock fingers psyker around

[somber axle]

Where's the Smyker gif

[inland cobalt]

What are the go-to perks and blessings for the Devil's Claw? I usually go for Flak-Unyielding, and Rampage and Wrath

[somber axle]

Shred/Wrath or Rampage with Flak/Maniac/Unyielding

But I have seen people talk about Hammerblow/Skullcrusher

And how silly it is for bullying Crushers

Stagger them out of overheads or something

[inland cobalt]

Hmmmmm

[somber axle]

Shred as the important blessing if you are playing normal

Hammerblow/Skullcrusher if you want to pretend your sword is just a really long stick

[slow spade]

Like true psykers, only like 3% of psykers are actually sentient

[inland cobalt]

I'm trying to make it a good backup for my Lucius Mk.IV. My only gripe with it is low light attack damage

[somber axle]

I'm too rusty on Dclaw shenanigans to give too much advice beyond what I've seen others recommend but I tend to run Tac Axe/Shovel/Knife when I'm running Helbore if that helps

I should play with the Dclaw more to see the Hammerblow/Skullcrusher memes

[inland cobalt]

The Tac Axe is good, I don't deny, but I find it needs some bottom right nodes to one-shot mobs reliably

[tame dragon]

If you have the melee attack speed node, the power sword feels pretty good. Lemme check my Dclaw for what it has

[inland cobalt]

As for the knife, I suppose it's Mk.III with Uncanny Strike and Riposte?

[inland cobalt]

Hell no! The Power Sword is underwhelming as all hell in my hands. I avoid it like wildfire

[slow spade]

Needs power cycler or its ass

[inland cobalt]

Even then

[tame dragon]

I use it with the recon lasgun only, and yeah, it requires power cycler or it feels like garbage

[slow spade]

Oh then that's skill issue

[tame dragon]

The Dclaw felt real good when I used it just for spamming parry

[inland cobalt]

Maybe. I just don't feel like having to rely on limited power-ups

[tame dragon]

You may also enjoy the power falchion then. My Dclaw had Shred and Rampage on it

[slow spade]

Its PURE killing power, it can even cleave through maulers, bulwarks, and crushers with the Sunder blessing

So instead of "limited power up" think of "I can kill it in 1 swing"

[inland cobalt]

I did use the Falchion for a bit, actually

[somber axle]

Power Sword is strong but feels awful without Trench Fighter and Weapon Specialist carrying how sluggish the weapon performs without it. Plus I dislike the constant weapon special and block cancel tech you have to do for the basic combos

[slow spade]

Tbh that's really the only thing holding it back

[inland cobalt]

Only if it has Sunder and Thrust

[slow spade]

I wonder how they'd have to rework it if they removed the charge special

[inland cobalt]

Precisely!

[somber axle]

It's balanced around Power Cycler/weapon special spam

If they ever removed it they would probably make the weapon garbage tier

[slow spade]

I don't use either of those because Psword specifically doesn't need much buffs lol

[somber axle]

And Power Sword has a really good blessing list

[slow spade]

Consider permanently active psword UwU

[tame dragon]

I use trench fighter and serrated blade on it and it feels great. That being said, if they removed Pcycler, I'd go to the power Falchion

[somber axle]

You will never use that good blessing list in any way that matters though because it will always be Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum or Sunder

[dreamy spade]

How do people use plasma gun secondary fire now? Is it good after ammo buff?

[slow spade]

The wild moment when Slaughterer isn't taken lol

[slow spade]

Never use it

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly like could you imagine if they made 3 charges default for the sword??

[hollow ibex]

nothing ever changes

[somber axle]

Then your second blessing opens up and the weapon would be beyond broken in the other direction LOL

[slow spade]

The ammo buff doesn't solve the fundamental problem that secondary fire sucks on the plasma

[dreamy spade]

Why? Infinite cleave and can hit more breakpoints

[tame dragon]

It's slow

[tall torrent]

no & no

[slow spade]

What breakpoint does it hit that a 3x basic salvo doesn't?

It's strictly worse than firing 3 basic shots

[tall torrent]

not infinite cleave (never was)
and ammo efficiency in terms of damage is still below hipfire

[inland cobalt]

Anyway
I'll try Shred instead of Wrath

[somber axle]

I think they were on the right track with nerfing hip fire plasma cleave values to encourage charged shot use but they walked back the nerf too fast

18 cleave is still nuts

And that's without Withering Fire

[dreamy spade]

Is it worth getting +50% ranged cleave on plasma then?

[tall torrent]

ofc not

in what situation do u need to shoot through 2 maulers / 1 monster

[slow spade]

Sadly its just a meh talent

[somber axle]

When it was briefly 9 or whatever there was maybe a better argument

Withering Fire + Hotshot Helbore is a dream but like most weapons either can't use or don't need Withering Fire

Which is fine because we have enough must grab nodes in the tree as is

[tame lodge]

Nope and maybe

It's not infinite

And that maybe is not worth it

They didn't change damage so M1 should still 1 shot what it already could 1 shot still

And 2 shot reapers

[somber axle]

Uh oh someone clicked a funny link and their account is now a bot

[tame dragon]

That's a hacked account

[tall torrent]

<@&735928989146939404> ^

[somber axle]

LMFAO

Rip

[tame dragon]

To the shadow realm with them

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1482490781133574355/image_V33.gif

Kill the dog, mods

[fading girder]

woe to the black ships with you

[somber axle]

Thank you mods

[slow spade]

People still falling for the digital equal of a box held up by a stick lmao

[tame lodge]

Ah I missed someone getting sent to the warp

[ancient path]

how is this a pounce lol.

darktide moment

and skill issue

[silk condor]

I need help doing the Make Every Shot Count penance. Can any one give me assistance

[distant plaza]

That’s the 90% accuracy no ammo one?
Switch aura from survivalist, use DB on rolling steel, as long as one pellet hits an enemy it counts

[silk condor]

Would Stub Revolver work?

[austere mica]

Yeah, double barrel is just easier

[hollow ibex]

ok rez shout is pretty funny now

i could help them up the normal way... or i could just tell them to get the fuck up themselves

and subject myself to a 40s cd

worth it

[blazing jetty]

Sometimes comes in handy if the teammate is buried under a ball of ragers

and there isn't enough time to kill them all and then pick the teammate up

[hollow ibex]

it's not very good still

it's just funny

[sonic kayak]

PAIN IS JUST MENTAL, GET BACK UP!

[hybrid plover]

Ngl, I'll give it credit where credit is due. If the vet can handle the talent tax, I can at least say it's got some real use in havoc

But otherwise it's not really needed

[hollow ibex]

is that a PD2 line?

[hollow ibex]

thought it sounded familiar lol

[sonic kayak]

Inspire my beloved

(I used it for the voice lines)

GETHAFUCKUP

Actually, I use VoC for the same thing

I don't really care for the golden toughness and any of that shit, although the stagger is good

I use it for the voice lines, simple as

[tall torrent]

"If the vet can handle the talent tax" AKA never

[hybrid plover]

Alright I have actually played with some really good vets that use it.

But those are a dime a dozen

[hollow ibex]

just skip precision strikes

[tame lodge]

40 thousand years and you still can't evade taxes

[tall torrent]

both grenadier and right side +25 toughness are better still

[somber axle]

I have a dumb take

Revive shout should reduce VoC CD to make it more competitive vs gold

[formal ice]

Dude

Both can be picked together

It's not a competition

[willow prairie]

it is a competition

because you have zero spare point to pick both

[somber axle]

I know. The dumb take is make them mutually exclusive. Picking one locks the other. Make revive shout reduce VoC CD by 25% so it becomes a stagger tool you use regularly that occasionally can be used to clutch revive someone in a rager/mauler deathball

Gold toughness is so strong and Vet can't afford the talent tax so it's just if you want to goof off and drop the point from something more important elsewhere

[formal ice]

People would still pick gold toughness

[somber axle]

Probably yeah but it turns VoC into a CC tool

[formal ice]

Niece

[somber axle]

And makes revive shout less niche

Revive is already gimmicky for the odd once in a run moment when you can tell someone to get up without the effort of stopping

[formal ice]

What are you going to do about the area of effect reduction

You totally forgot about it

[somber axle]

That was removed already LOL

[formal ice]

Oh yeah

[somber axle]

Last update removed all downsides to revive shout

[formal ice]

And it's still niece

[somber axle]

Yeah that's why I think the right play is to make it stand out more vs gold toughness

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

Because the only way Vet affords both revive and gold is if they're losing out on stuff they want more

[formal ice]

Its just a extra effect

It doesn't need to become a 1 choice only with gold toughness

[somber axle]

After using Blackout mades on Hive Scum I think on demand stagger is such a strong tool

[tall torrent]

It is

[somber axle]

And VoC on a lower CD could better fill the niche on Vet

But that and gold toughness is way too much

And revive is already a very niche gimmick

[tall torrent]

And I don’t think vet has to have a low CD stagger

[somber axle]

The choice would still lean toward gold but I think some people would enjoy the CC/control of a lower CD revive shout more

[tall torrent]

It’s fine that some classes have tools that other classes don’t have

That’s variety

[willow prairie]

the thing with revive shout is that you usually have the time to revive someone after shout anyway

unless like more than 1 people down

[somber axle]

That's fair, I disagree and think leaning more into the CC side of VoC would make it more fun

[willow prairie]

which you should prevent that situation from happening in the first place

aka piss reign supreme

[somber axle]

Yeah like if you shout a deathball off someone do you really need revive shout when you could have just picked them up anyway

Not saying most would give revive another look but still

[tall torrent]

Arb, ogryn and hive scum already have low CD stagger, we don’t necessarily need a 4th class to do it

And it’s not like vet doesn’t have stagger

[willow prairie]

shredder moment

arb is especially funny with nade + btl

in rotten

[somber axle]

Tbh I think a lower CD CC focused shout would be fun for Power Sword because a lot of the complaints of how poor Power Sword feels is because without Weapon Specialist and Trench Fighter Drill even with block canceling the weapon feels slow and you need to be way more focused on awareness and positioning because you don't have a reliable tool for CC on Vet to let you charge between swings easily. Plus melee weapons with low stagger would suddenly have a strong tool to make up for the weakness

[tall torrent]

There’s already an answer for power sword

Stance

[somber axle]

That doesn't fix how slow it is

You're still pushed into Trench/WS

It just means you have the stun immunity and toughness gen to eat hits

[void dragon]

who cares how slow it is if it can kill EVERYTHING you swing at?

[tall torrent]

And I think that’s fine

[void dragon]

the damage of it, both horde and single target is high

[willow prairie]

psword work even without ws

but whatever

[tall torrent]

U should have to invest to make smth good

[somber axle]

Quite a few people dislike it because it is slow and the only way to fix the poor dodge distance and slow swing speed are specific talent set ups

[tall torrent]

That’s fine, the investment is good for it

And it’s also fine that not everybody likes it

[somber axle]

Yeah and I think a low CD VoC tailored to CC would be a fun way for Vet to have more personal control

Other classes having control options is fine

[tall torrent]

It is by design a weapon that’s meant to punish extra hard for mistakes

I think current power sword’s balance philosophy is significantly better than most others

[somber axle]

Never said it didn't. I said it feels slow and awkward without and people dislike that

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

could be worse

[somber axle]

How many times do you see the weird takes from people saying Power Sword sucks when you know objectively it is Vet's strongest weapon?

[tall torrent]

You want to invest into melee hybrid to maximize its potential

You get punished extra hard for mistakes

There is an optional ability that cancels out one of its major downsides but this also means u don’t have on demand stagger & gold toughness

And you actually need to learn attack timings

It’s far better designed than most other weapons

[tame lodge]

All my melee are with FT

[willow prairie]

mmf tbh

[somber axle]

They're not saying it sucks because it is weak, they're saying it sucks because it feels terrible to use

[tall torrent]

MF pathing just sucks

[willow prairie]

I just like helbore ok

😔

[tall torrent]

And that’s fine not everybody has to like every weapon

[void dragon]

helbore is also annoying to use but very good

[hollow ibex]

MF pathing is
good
bad
good
ok
good

[willow prairie]

alternately play vt2 to get better at melee to offset psword downside

boom

[somber axle]

Yeah and I think having more options toward building a way to enjoy both the weapon and give a fun change of playstyle to VoC would be a benefit to the class

[turbid ibex]

i want VoC to be a team buffing ability

[somber axle]

It's honestly not even just Power Sword but the idea that revive shout has more utility than occasionally saving you the brief window of kneeling to pick up someone

[tall torrent]

I think a lot of abilities need longer CDs than they do currently tbh

[somber axle]

Atm it's really not a choice and more if you want to goof around

[tall torrent]

Yea and that’s fine

[somber axle]

I disagree on choices just being only for jokes

[tall torrent]

It’s not a joke tho

[somber axle]

So you can take both gold and revive without your build being weaker?

Is there any reason to take only revive and not gold?

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to only take revive and not gold

[somber axle]

If you did see a Vet running only revive and not gold would you think they're a joke?

[tall torrent]

The ability is balanced entirely around gold already

You’re asking for a different ult

[fair shale]

Yes

[somber axle]

If you answered yes then the answer is that the talent node isn't really a choice, just a fun talent tax for losing power

[willow prairie]

tbh i think gold should increase cd instead of making it to base voc

[somber axle]

It could be better balanced and more of a choice than it is

[tall torrent]

Nah on-demand stagger on a high dps check class is strong enough to warrant 40s

Gold could maybe be 60s but people would mald

[somber axle]

Hmm then maybe shout keeping it to 40s, and gold CD getting the CD increase Cy suggested

[sharp epoch]

nah compare to every other class versions its straight up garbo

[tall torrent]

It’s on demand force stagger with full toughness replenishment baked in

[turbid ibex]

on a 9 meter radius

[somber axle]

BtL on Arby and Blackout nades on Scum would still be way stronger stagger tools even if you did have revive shout drop CD tbh

[tall torrent]

Every other one has to take subnode for toughness except rampage (which takes a subnode for stagger)

[willow prairie]

and is rampage

[tall torrent]

Rampage could use legit like a 60s CD lol

Same for desperado

[turbid ibex]

how much cooldown was merc kruber and WHC saltz abilities btw?

[sharp epoch]

yes but they have secondary effects that are way better, taunt for like 15 seconds and rampage melee buffa

[willow prairie]

merc is 60s

[hearty panther]

cooldown was different in vt2

[willow prairie]

salt is 100s

[hearty panther]

cause taking damage gave cdr

[sharp epoch]

and way less cooldown

[willow prairie]

also there were less cdr in vt2

[tall torrent]

VT2 abilities were much longer CD but u got CDR from kills

[turbid ibex]

didnt know that

[willow prairie]

it pretty hard to notice in the middle of a game

until you see funny effect on the hud

[tall torrent]

WHC shout also is only 6s of crit chance bonus

[willow prairie]

+25% crit in vt2 is huge though

[tall torrent]

Ye

Just in terms of uptime it’s nowhere comparable to DT

[willow prairie]

swift slaying + crit benefit all weapon a lot

[hearty panther]

ive heard enough, buff scriers gaze

[tall torrent]

U can have 10s gold then 10s downtime on current VoC

Which is just op in VT2 terms

And this is still the weakest version of VoC ever

[willow prairie]

there like billion way to generate thp anyway

[terse gate]

Ok well like

[willow prairie]

also melee is a lot safer in vt2 due to you having actual range and way stronger push/block

[terse gate]

All the builds aren't in the pinned for vet anymore and all of my builds reset so

What do we recommend folkl

[tall torrent]

Wat

[willow prairie]

funniest thing about thp is having 1 perm health before a horde

[tall torrent]

Wdym builds aren’t in the pinned

I didn’t change them

[terse gate]

Wait im thinking of the ogryn channel

They have the massive ass doc of weapons and build paths

[willow prairie]

ogrynomicon is uh ok

[terse gate]

I love the community of this game. Its funny seeing how each class has its like own roster of researchers

[willow prairie]

I'm just unreasonably irritated because it contain more than basic information but not enough information

but the guide mostly cater to new player so idk

[turbid ibex]

my ideal rework for shout would be changing it into more of a teambuffing ability

[tall torrent]

I cater mine to new players too

[willow prairie]

I mean your guide is much more detailed

[turbid ibex]

kinda like crate with a stagger

[willow prairie]

goes into bp n shit

attack property etc

[tall torrent]

I only list stagger breakpoints now

[terse gate]

Yea currently trying to read through the "Simplified" (Still takes like 30 seconds of scrolling down) community post

[tall torrent]

What simplified community post

[terse gate]

The pinned

[tall torrent]

I don’t remember making a simplified version of HoTE

[terse gate]

Oh sorry "Practical"

[tall torrent]

Cuz it is already the simplified version

I could make it longer

And thicker too

[terse gate]

\

This just cracked me the fuck up

This is dedication

Is shout still like the go too for vet in most builds

For higher level play

[willow prairie]

it's the most braindead one

[terse gate]

I always loved infiltrator but I know it was

Not always super great

[turbid ibex]

between shout and exestance

[inland cobalt]

Shred has acquitted itself very well on the Devil's Claw
Since it also has high stagger against Bruisers, maybe I should swap Rampage for Skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

it's easiest but stance makes vet way better, and infil saves 1 point

[somber axle]

It's funny that you can juggle Stance now and with Weapon Specialist just maintain it while being mostly melee LOL

Old Exe Stance dropping on swap to melee always made it so awkward

[somber axle]

Also this would be fun too but I think you could add two more potential subnodes to VoC for buffing allies/debuffing enemies

[terse gate]

So what im hearing is invil heavy laz pistol might still work

[somber axle]

Or just lump the buff allies/debuff enemies into the same new subnode

Like how Scum Rampage has that subnode that does AoE stagger and debuffs enemies to 50% attack speed

[feral jetty]

hi vets

how yall doing

[somber axle]

Suffering

At work another hour then D&D when I get home

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[feral jetty]

you got this

I believe

[somber axle]

Feeling cravings for Darktide

[feral jetty]

speaking of

am I just poo poo or is the shock maul kinda not really great at least on vet

[somber axle]

I have been wanting to play Darktide all day LOL

[feral jetty]

[somber axle]

I think it had weak Unyielding? But otherwise was a mid tier weapon for Vet

[feral jetty]

fair

[somber axle]

Not bad but not good

[fair shale]

Very middle of the road weapon tbh

[feral jetty]

also what's this I hear about exec stance

I haven't used it in forever lol

[somber axle]

It's very strong right now

[feral jetty]

oh is it?

[somber axle]

Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus Helbore Mk V Withering Fire Hot Shot is my current fav build

Delete everything everywhere and single shots delete rows of elites

LOL

[feral jetty]

so I use the sniper build in the pinned guide?

[willow prairie]

shock maul is ass for pretty much all the classes outside arby

[terse gate]

Shit I used to have an insanely fun heavy laz pist with exe but I can't remember it

[feral jetty]

that's kinda what I figured unfortunately lol, and arb gets their own shock maul that's really good no?

[somber axle]

I forgot what that looks like but yeah probably? Idk if it was updated for the new Withering Fire but I think so

[fair shale]

And arby has their own better one

[feral jetty]

it's this

[somber axle]

Oh swap the point off Field Improv to Withering Fire

[willow prairie]

asm have better moveset but normal shock maul have skullcrusher

[feral jetty]

ahhh ok

[somber axle]

Then it is basically the same build I run

[feral jetty]

gotcha

[somber axle]

I put my extra point into 15 stack MMF

[feral jetty]

what's the dump stat on the helbore?

[somber axle]

But you can put it where ever

[pseudo fiber]

Stability

[somber axle]

Stability iirc?

[feral jetty]

ty

any suggestions for a melee to pair with that build?

[somber axle]

The cleave you get from Helbore Hot Shot blessing paired with Withering Fire is so so fun

[willow prairie]

having skullcrusher on a class that make enemy "staggered" on demand is pretty huge

[somber axle]

I use Tac Axe mostly, sometimes Shovel or Knife

[willow prairie]

especially bosses

[finite skiff]

What does it mean by alternate fire? Just aiming down the sights?

[narrow frost]

ads

[somber axle]

I don't like Power Sword or Rashad Axe with that talent tree because no Trench Fighter and no Weapon Specialist makes both feel like you're fighting in slow motion

[somber axle]

Yes anytime aiming but doesn't work with Plasma charging

[willow prairie]

deadshot is mega doo doo

[somber axle]

It's mostly for goofing off tbh and has maybe ok value for Revolver or Shotgun

[willow prairie]

revolver and shotgun can just use ws

[somber axle]

Unless you go full clown build and run Recip/Deadshot Recon for spray and pray infinite ammo LOL

[willow prairie]

revolver also 1 shot auric crusher with ws

deadshot recon is ass

[terse gate]

@tall torrent Would you recommend "Sniper" or "Slayer" for a laz pistol build

[somber axle]

Yeah WS means Deadshot is really not worth for Revolver or Shotgun and you only squeeze value out of follow up shots you take without swapping to melee between shots

[finite skiff]

It is amazing how I'm clearing havoc and auric maelstroms yet every now and hten something I hadn't thought about confuses me.

[feral jetty]

dumb question x2 what's MMF again

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus

[feral jetty]

oh duh

[somber axle]

Fav keystone tbh but less generally useful vs Weapon Specialist

It just really shines for Helbore

Helbore is like the only weapon on Vet worth using on Crushers

Good TTK and you basically shoot for free between Surgical/Reciprocity

A lot of the time I 2-3 shot Crushers

On the Mk IV you can get a consistent 2 shot and if you pop a combat stim can even get to a 1 tap

[feral jetty]

what mark of tac axe?

[somber axle]

VII

[feral jetty]

ty

[somber axle]

Headtaker/Brutal Momentum

I run with Unarmoured/Carapace

[willow prairie]

mk4 is too slow

mk5 hit most important bp and still 3-4 shot crusher anyway

[somber axle]

It cleans up hordes well and is still solid for carving through Crushers

[feral jetty]

I only have mk4 rn cause i'm not mastery 10

[willow prairie]

plus hotshot + withering fire is funny

[somber axle]

Good stagger on weapon special to break Rager combos

[willow prairie]

taxe push attack already stagger rager

[somber axle]

Agreed and Mk IV is awful for Hot Shot because you have to drop Surgical or Weight of Fire for it

Mk V Helbore is my fav

[willow prairie]

pa and h1 on mk7 have almost the same property as caxe lights

[somber axle]

Fast enough to drop Weight of Fire

Yeah I just like Tac Axe special for easier stamina control

Plus I like the animation

[somber axle]

I need to clarify ranged weapon

You usually want to swap melee for Crushers but Helbore doesn't need to

[boreal zenith]

can i go straight into havoc 40 or how does the system work

[fair shale]

When you start you start at 1

It's like malice diff

As you win you rank up

[boreal zenith]

i just did 18 though

[fair shale]

Winning games you joined with higher levels can rank you up faster for a bit

[fair shale]

If you completed auric Mael it iirc gives you 16 or 18 or something automatically

[tall torrent]

just use the vet build template and start from there
the other named builds are no more than examples

[terse gate]

Sir yes sir

Lets see if I remember the break points for the laz pistol

[willow prairie]

it's 16

[fair shale]

Ty

[willow prairie]

I still think it should've put you on auric difficulty by default though

16 is like malice

[torpid grotto]

If someone invites u

[willow prairie]

you can get matched with any havoc level but only rank up to 3 max

Iirc

[glacial beacon]

Ya, <5 +1, <10 +2, 10 or more +3

[pseudo fiber]

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818605636228218900/1489256498512003142/Inform_israel_Discord_GIF.gif

[tall torrent]

I could make one
maybe I should

[pseudo fiber]

Do it

[tall torrent]

do I wanna tho

[orchid hemlock]

Only 2 categories

[tall torrent]

like for one the biggest difference would be that I'm only gonna judge weapons based on strongest variant, unless the variants behave completely differently

[orchid hemlock]

Power Sword

And everything else

[pseudo fiber]

reddit said that was bad tho

[tall torrent]

I started witcher 3

[orchid hemlock]

Who is this reddit and how do I 1v1 them?

[tall torrent]

power sword "mediocre when powered up"
falchion "kills everything else just as fast"
master bait

[tame lodge]

"superior stats"

Shock Maul

[tame lodge]

I'm so [happy] for your [wins]

[pseudo fiber]

Main body of the post I'm sharing it because of a personal highlight of the thread for me

THEN WHY FUCKING ANSWER

[tall torrent]

lolol

fachion better against mixed horde than power sword??

in another lifetime probably?

[tame lodge]

Lmao
Based answer

[tall torrent]

we got that 40k warp-based weapon balance over here

[hybrid plover]

i hate reddit

[sonic kayak]

Hate the players not the game

[pseudo fiber]

FS uses this for feedback!!

Can you believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tame lodge]

No no I agree

[orchid hemlock]

They do? 💀

[tame lodge]

We should buff Psword

Now that Falchion is

Arg

Cogf

Ugh

Better

Than it

[tidal fox]

buff psword give it 100 extra damage on power attack

[tall torrent]

that'd be 25~30% higher dmg than current

[glacial beacon]

Give it a parry

[somber axle]

pls do

I feel like your tier list would probably be the only one Vet chat would ever care to see LOL

[tidal fox]

parry on special activation

[glacial beacon]

Honestly would remove one of the biggest pain points of the weapon if they did that

[hollow ibex]

have you tried block cancelling?

[tidal fox]

it's a great downside for a weapon that good

and it's just a matter of tempo anyways

[green cobalt]

What is a maelstrom mission ?

[night ledge]

is mob dump stat for combat blade?

[somber axle]

normal mission but with fun modifiers and sometimes they can be modifiers you see on non-maelstrom missions like hunting grounds for lots of pox hounds but it can also be unique modifiers like no ammo pick ups on the whole map

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[shrewd topaz]

mob is the dump stat on everything with it usually

[tropic halo]

We know the real dump is damage

[thorn lark]

Not on psword though

[tropic halo]

game too power creep, we dumping on damage stat to make the game harder

while doubling enemy health

[finite skiff]

I found out that a stealth vet that just focuses on nothing but supressing and killing ranged units is extremely useful at carrying people through auric.

[tropic halo]

usually

[finite skiff]

Because the careful balance of 'melee the dudes in front of you' and 'don't get shot to shit by gunners' is something a lot of people fail to learn somehow.

[hollow ibex]

Unfortunately infiltrate is still not very good

[grand perch]

going exec and just killing all those ranged is the ultimate form of suppression

[iron parcel]

wisest hive scum

[dry cloak]

exe stance with agrip iag is fun

[shrewd topaz]

can we make shock trooper apply to every gun

except plasma it doesnt deserve to have fun

[dry cloak]

no

[astral birch]

What we really need is more poxbursters and make them have stealth

[livid sphinx]

Anyone else having this issue where poxbursters dont go into explode mod when they're near?

[iron parcel]

it happens.

usually just when they don't have you as their actual target

and then sometimes because fuck you thats why

[livid sphinx]

It just feels wonky and annoying

[astral birch]

And then they dont make noise until 2 seconds away from you, theyre glitched rn

[livid sphinx]

Yeah happened to me a while ago. Its been how many years now and they still haven't fixed those fucks

[tall torrent]

They need to have lit the fuse to explode on their own

U can see a green spark on them when their fuse are lit

[livid sphinx]

I know. Its just annoying because I rely on the sound trigger to know to pushback and dodge back

[somber axle]

they did that it's called Desperado and it's on another class

[somber axle]

Rumbling Giants was not terrifying because of the Ogryn mosh pits, it was terrifying because of the poxburster trains of 15 poxbursters all moving in crowds of 5 from different flanks and angles at the same time

[tropic halo]

Just hide behind small cardboard box

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

Tank all explosions

[somber axle]

I miss watching someone sprint over to shove the poxburters trains and then watching them immediately ragdoll to death eating all 5 explosions at once

[glacial beacon]

Unlimited bolter definitely balanced

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[tropic halo]

The fucking walk animation instantly swapping to ragdoll LOL

[somber axle]

[glacial beacon]

Average pub vet behavior

[astral birch]

Icarus last moments POV

[glacial beacon]

Folded for 3/4 of the match

[somber axle]

when someone has such a funny death that you're stunlocked irl laughing and get mutie'd/dog'd/trapper'd

it wasn't a death and I wasn't recording at the time but I watched a Zealot get downed, and the second they were revived before they could move at all they got netted, and when we went to remove the net they were back up just in time for a second trapper to net them AGAIN and drag them across the map

dude went "?????????" in chat and I was wheezing

Nurgle sends his funniest battles to his best clowns

I do have this though

and this one

[glacial beacon]

Wtf is that loadout, martyrdom psyker?

[somber axle]

These are meme vids from like beta or early release

[tropic halo]

holy shit this actually your clip?

Mfs standing still for aura farm

[woeful junco]

This is such a hood classic

[fervent hemlock]

what's the plasma gun stat split

[toxic reef]

@tired egret

[unreal nova]

You can try if you get a 68 thermal 72 charge rate as well, just note it's not a guarantee. But if it works, it's the best you can get.

[fervent hemlock]

im sticking with 60 thermal for now, none of my rolls have been good today

only variant i got was 77 thermal 63 charge

[silver patrol]

you'd rather have 60 charge rate than 60 thermal i think

[unreal nova]

Naw, 60 thermal. You rarely need that extra shot unless you only play havoc.

Or are really awful at aiming.

[silver patrol]

There is barely any difference in shooting speed if you compare charge rates tho

[hollow ibex]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1sd3fs2/me_after_using_mres_infiltrator_vet_build/

What the fuck is this astroturfing lol

[silver patrol]

it's brimstone, i fear

[sonic kayak]

He got a whiff of the ol' brimstone

[undone saffron]

whats the best blessings for mk7 linfantry lasgun vro

is headhunter plus infernus a good choice

im torn between between infernus and deadly accurate

[hollow ibex]

infernus is never a good choice on ilas

your choices are HH, DA or ghost

[undone saffron]

alrighty

[fallow zinc]

i hate long bomb so much

[turbid ibex]

lomb

idk if it got fixed but the bombs you can buy in expedition could be used to get long bomb

thats how i got it

[fallow zinc]

every other penance in the game doesnt hold a candle to how jank long bomb is

i know the angle lineup everything

distance

the issue is trying to get a single horde to spawn when im set up for it

they just dont

[hollow ibex]

stop playing on malice?

[tough nova]

The one enclavum mission has a very long straight stairwell at the end that always spawns a horde.

Or maybe its commsplex one sec

Archivum Sycorax has it!

[sonic kayak]

Alternatively just keep tossing the nades

Aim high

Aim far

Chances are you'll be regenerating them anyways

[tough nova]

And yea higher difficulty helps

[bold sierra]

Some more H40 Exec Stance w/ Inf Lasgun and Psword. Almost perfect game too, but I had to goof up at one point 🙁

[hollow ibex]

what was it lol

can't see shit

[bold sierra]

Crusher's overhead lol

behind all the visual effects and other crushers

[hollow ibex]

i turned off the flamer effect because it's fucking obnoxious

[hollow ibex]

makes sense

[bold sierra]

it is, but it feels wrong if I do that lol

tryna keep things as vanilla as possible

[hollow ibex]

meh

[bold sierra]

I just don't like seeing a flamer shooting liike...well, nothing xD

or anything else really

[sharp epoch]

seems like low specialist numbers for a h40

[bold sierra]

it was Rotten Armor so the spawns are gonna be a bit different

[sharp epoch]

this ones h40 rotten too

around the same total damageish

[somber axle]

I had to sleep but no LOL no one in those two vids are me I just had to save them because they were both so funny

[bold sierra]

I guess the spawns were just different that game and more focused on other enemies xD

[flint iris]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ma7l1MBZ-z8

krieg probably

[sage ridge]

bro im having so much trouble with thelong bomb penance, yall got any tips?

[hollow ibex]

auric hab dreyko

there's a big bridge at the very start

hordes often spawn

you can easily get it there

[sage ridge]

would the level below auric work

damnatin

[hollow ibex]

yeah should be fine

[tough nova]

Archivim sycorax the very end

Long hallway guaranteed horde spawn

[inland cobalt]

Relay Station TRS-150, the big fan stage
Before jumping down, wait till the horde spills out, then throw the grenade

[sage ridge]

ighto

[narrow frost]

nice pfp

spider girl?

[sage ridge]

naw. oc

alien creature thing heheh

[narrow frost]

Looks nice

[sage ridge]

thx

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-7434634924845802139

[sage oriole]

confirmed kill vs out for blood for havoc games?

[hollow ibex]

CK is always a take basically

and OOB if you need a second toughness regen talent

[formal ice]

Disappears after getting their OC called nice

[tame lodge]

Based

[spark bough]

If I wanna run melee with Vet should I use weapon specialist?

[glad bridge]

Focus Target no ?

[hollow ibex]

yeah WS is the melee vet keystone

FT is more for general purposes

[spark bough]

Is combat knife good?

[jovial yarrow]

very

[spark bough]

Is it bad using combat knife with commanders voice

Or voice

I forget it's name

[jovial yarrow]

yes, knife with shout is good.

[spark bough]

Is falchion good?

I hear it's bad but whenever I use it it's good

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

has a niche, but also has some serious problems

[spark bough]

It just seems generally good

What are its problems

[hollow ibex]

poorly designed moveset which makes the mk2 irrelevant

and no counter against rager spam

long-ass cd

[grand perch]

another reddit moment

with bangers like these

[tame lodge]

This isn't real

Nuh uh

I refuse to believe that

https://tenor.com/view/rpva-redpandavsapple-tweaking-fluffbuns-joker-gif-12104874528707971223

[quaint marsh]

I've honestly used the thing like twice when I started the game. What are the difference between the marks, I wanna give em a go

[hollow ibex]

ix's the easiest

it's just a moveset differencwe

[narrow frost]

Reddit is so funny

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/300309531530100736/1351208444237185044/caption.gif

[twin sapphire]

How do you use the heavy sword

Every time I’ve tried to use it in a mission I just hate it

[hollow ibex]

deathblow headtaker

moveset is mark dependent

but now the special applies brittleness so it's useful against crushers

still not amazing vs. crushers but it'll do ok

hsword does very well at horde clear with heavies

[somber axle]

weird thought but if Vet was going to get a 4th voice like Ogryn did what sort of personality would people want

[tame lodge]

Step 1 kill everything

Step 2 bring something to kill carapace

Step 3 learn the combos

If you're running mk9 you can light then loop the heavies

For hordes

Then for shingles and mingles you can just special heavy

[hybrid plover]

Wrong.

The general reddit populace is just allergic to something called "effort."

[grand perch]

correct, and i like to think we turn the sword around for every special so the sharp side wont get 300% blunted after killing just 1 crusher

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, heavy sword really ain't even that terrible against crushers on vet

Unfortunately you do have to invest in something to help the ADMs a lil

So turns out, rending strikes is actually kinda useful

Or even onslaught if you run smth like, recon

[grand perch]

serrated blade helps with getting around ~1300 dps out of hsword mk 9 against crusher, without cara damage perk

hivescum gets more out of it with hyperviolence chaining off of smaller enemies

[hybrid plover]

well ya, it's hive scum tbf

they could make a shoe good

[grand perch]

4000dps easy vs crusher

actually stupid

[hybrid plover]

That being said, I will say, the fact that Scum is so mindbogglingly strong, does allow me some fluidity with it I usually can't get

I don't run headtaker with it lol

[plain osprey]

I only use the Hsword on scum tbh. Just feels like a wet poolnoodle anywhere else. Maybe on charge zealot but thats about it.

[sharp epoch]

that just cause melee scum makes everything good

hsword still bad since it has bad cara dps

[lean rune]

without considering blessings like thrust etc, just vanilla weapons, does charge time on heavy attack maximise damage?

i.e for most damage in one hit witha heavy attack, should hold for longest time possible?

[sly orchid]

It doesnt

[turbid ibex]

No

[pseudo fiber]

Truely the worst of the worst

[grand perch]

ow my faith in gamers

[pseudo fiber]

"Helbore can't do anything" was another fav

Except 1 hit those crushers you complain about constantly

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/Mv9aRrDIlfw?si=QEbs3NQxYi1sh-pE

just send this vid

[pseudo fiber]

Yamato they can't read

I'd be shocked if they manage to differentiate the nodes on the talent tree

[sly orchid]

genuinely just send this build

and watch them roll their tongues trying to call helbore bad

[inland cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-sniper-tf2-meet-the-sniper-team-fortress2-gif-23137486

[turbid ibex]

Whats the build

[fading girder]

might try this so i can get the "Take no damage and Take no melee damage" peanances done

[sonic kayak]

you had faith?

[twin sapphire]

It has awful iron sights tho

That’s my one issue w helbore

[midnight totem]

Anybody got the raw numbers on a krak grenade damage. Untinkered.

[twin sapphire]

Give the “sniper” weapon better sights and I’d use it so much more

[midnight totem]

And a havoc 40 crusher health

[turbid ibex]

Kuli guide prob has it

[deep bone]

My only issue with the Helbore is the charge up mechanic but that’s purely a Skill issue in my end lol

Just gotta get used to it and I will be fine

Is the Heavy Sword worth using now or no?

[plain osprey]

Eh. Still dont know how good a Sniper build can be in a game where standing still kills you.

[tame lodge]

Just don't stand still

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[calm shard]

just walk and shoot easy

[calm shard]

Yeah since executioners helbore is such a strong build

Zealot, Scum, and Veteran can find good use of it

Zealot just ignores armor because fury of the faithful is hilarious

Scum's hyper violence scaling doesn't give a shit about armor

Veteran just shoots or krak nades armor

[frigid rover]

i havent watched the video but exec vet can reach shocking survivability just by doing exec vet things

i.e. shoot faces, occasionally press the dodge key, drop a grenade at your feet whenever you are bored

[tame lodge]

🧑‍🚀

[plain osprey]

I for some reason hate doing that. Feels wrong not to sprint

[plain osprey]

I need to get goodder and that playstile

[neat crystal]

guy whos been living under a rock since the beta
Hey so dueling swords are pretty neat huh.

[turbid ibex]

theyre ok

absolutely suck ass at horde tho

which is kind of a big problem for vet

[hollow ibex]

still more of a psyker weapon than a vet weapon

[tame lodge]

Yeah pretty fucking strong

Just bring something for hordes

Or say fuck that and light attack ad infinitum for hordes

[fading yarrow]

^

Uncanny Strikes

Bip bip bip bip bip bip bip

[tame lodge]

The funny

Damn, I was really aiming too low here

[void dragon]

have been not figured what is amore reasonable set up for the DS? their damage is quite absurd, should uncanny strke be taken out if you want it to be more balanced? or not even that makes them less dumb?

[tough nova]

Ds has some great blessings so there's flexibility.

[turbid ibex]

a more reasonable setup is to not run DS at all

lol

or just dont run anything else for horde clear

[tame lodge]

I don't even have uncanny here

Finesse stick

[void dragon]

so DS TRULY is with no salvation

[plain osprey]

I disagree. As long as you keep moving backwards, manipulating the games slot mechanism id say they are lower b tier for hordeclear die to their pretty decent damage and attack speed. I usually to L1,L2,block, push, move back -> ad infinitum

[turbid ibex]

brother

they literally have the worst horde clear time

of all the melees

[void dragon]

that's more of its mobility being busted and leting you skip the consequences than good horde clear

[plain osprey]

Found the Dodge enjoyer

[turbid ibex]

like theyre objectively the fucking worst melee for hordes

[plain osprey]

The result's the same.

[turbid ibex]

not really