veteran-class

[pseudo fiber]

For what

for which one

[tall torrent]

I wish they make a black recolor scion helmet

[pseudo fiber]

It's different in the menu???

[tall torrent]

diff lighting

[pseudo fiber]

Why is it a red that doesn't match the other ones

such a baffling cosmetic

[tall torrent]

be happy it's not clipping through the collar

lol

inquisitor coat's collars clip with every neckguard ever

[narrow torrent]

I’m tempted by the Vostroyan gear ngl

[finite skiff]

I come in a time of need. My friend is starting the game but he does not know what melee weapon to use... he is level 26 and has been using the shovel FOREVER with ZERO upgrades.
He wants to know what's the most braindead r1 melee a vet can get?

[hollow ibex]

prob rashad

though that requires a right build

[pseudo fiber]

Definately rashad

[hollow ibex]

shovel is pretty easy too though

[fading girder]

babys first build over here , how bad is it lmfao

[pseudo fiber]

what weapons?

[scenic mantle]

So I’m leveling up veteran for the first time, I see how good guns can be for him. I like the hellbore lasgun. I am struggling when it comes to defending myself in melee. I’m level 23 right now

[fading girder]

bolt pistol and chainsword , im vibing for movement and stuff like that , tho i also sometimes used a boltgun

[scenic mantle]

And also I like the other lasgun gun that is a rifle but the variant that shoots faster

[pseudo fiber]

Well okay drop onslaught (bottom right above weapon spec) for exploit weakness
drop serated blade and get tactical awareness

[scenic mantle]

Do you guys tend to block more or dodge more as veteran? I feel like I run out of stamina so much (especially if I sprint anywhere) compared to playing as the zealot

[fading girder]

oh and i use both weapons quickly in a match i found the boltgun a bit tooo slow for weapon swap compared to bolt pistol

[fading girder]

alright thanks

[pseudo fiber]

Onslaught is doing literally nothing for you

2.5% brittleness on bp which shoots rather slow

not great

serated gets a solid "It's fine I guess"/10

but then tactical awareness is super good

[fading girder]

ah thats more for full auto guns?

[pseudo fiber]

Dodge usually

I dodge first block only if I have too

[pseudo fiber]

honestly it's only for recon

even then not needed

[pseudo fiber]

sorry forgot one

marksman (red one on the left) to precision strikes

precision strikes is so good

[turbid ibex]

also reciprocity instead of the red node on the right

[jovial yarrow]

Dodge and push

[tall torrent]

dodge is primary answer to avoiding attacks
blocking however is still very relevant for some enemies

[turbid ibex]

i still need to learn to block more often

i pretty much never use block

[scenic mantle]

But you have to physically be out of the way of the hitbox of the attack right? Or does the dodge function like an I-frame

[turbid ibex]

outside of pushing and PA

[turbid ibex]

yesn't

[tall torrent]

dodges don't have i-frames

they work by disabling enemies' attack tracking on u

some attacks also check for hurtbox, where u need to be outside hurtbox to not get hit

[frigid rover]

what melees are you trying so far where melee chaff is giving you trouble?

[scenic mantle]

So when you hear the swish sound just dodging doesn’t make you avoid it right?

[pseudo fiber]

power sword

it's always that

[scenic mantle]

I was trying the power sword and the parry sword (devil claw I think)

[frigid rover]

if you are focusing on the shooty bang ranged component of vet there is nothing wrong with making a preference towards a defensive melee, whether that's through good mobility (knife, duel sword meme) or good crowd control (luv me shovel)

[tall torrent]

depends on the attack (most attacks don't have hurtbox check)

[frigid rover]

power sword is objectively very strong, probably the strongest melee in the game in a vacuum, but i'm of the opinion that it's also kind of a newb trap in the sense that it doesnt have great mobility and it's slow to respond to things with
compared to other weapons where you just smack the problem immediately and the problem is solved

[turbid ibex]

dueling sword is far more of a noob trap

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the very few weapons that actually require proper melee fundamentals

[frigid rover]

iew it's very easy to die to melee spam if you arent paying attention

[fading girder]

ah i have already picked that one up or are you also referring to the bigger one above it ?

[turbid ibex]

power sword actually forces you to get good at melee

[frigid rover]

all weapons except shovel are a newb trap

embrace shovel

[fading girder]

ohh the stuff near it my bad

[scenic mantle]

I genuinely don’t know what I’m doing wrong sometimes with melee. Maybe I’m trying to sprint too much?

[fading girder]

nvm just misread

[turbid ibex]

sprinting isnt going to help avoid melee attacks

[frigid rover]

for power sword, you kinda have to play around a specific blessing and a particular pacing to your melee rhythm, and to be very aware of positioning the rest of the time, so you can kill everything in one hit; otherwise you will die a lot

[scenic mantle]

My power sword isn’t fully leveled up with the blessings

[turbid ibex]

power sword needs power cycler blessing to not suck ass

[quaint marsh]

This class makes my thumb hurt :(

[scenic mantle]

What about the knife? Is that a noob trap too?

[turbid ibex]

knife is good but has pretty bad horde clear

[frigid rover]

knife is fine, defensively

[turbid ibex]

and its single target combo is also pretty stamina heavy

[scenic mantle]

Ok well I’ll try to keep using the power sword to level it up

[frigid rover]

a nice speedy option but yeah you will be taking time to chew on any significant amount of melee trash (thats why you bring frags)

[turbid ibex]

youre better off power leveling it through sacrifices

at least until you get level 3 on power cycler

[scenic mantle]

But don’t you need the same weapon to power level it?

Or you can use any weapon?

I only have one power sword

[turbid ibex]

im talking about sacrificing

you can buy more

[scenic mantle]

so just look for them in the store and sacrifice them?

[turbid ibex]

ye

it really cannot be overstated how fucking godawful power sword is without power cycler

[frigid rover]

to unlock and max out the levels on blessings you wish to stick on a weapon, the easiest method is to buy a bunch of gray weapons of that type through brunt's armory, upgrade them so they're green, and feed them to Hadron

some find this a little cheesy and lazy because you're not putting in the time with the weapon to do it the slow, boring, painful way
but screw those nerds

[scenic mantle]

Hadron is the person that says omnissiah right

[hearty panther]

if you're brand new to the game the progression is alright

[turbid ibex]

ye

[frigid rover]

yes its the robot mom lady

[hearty panther]

you're probably sticking to one or two weapons at some point cause it's comfortable and you'll get 1-3 levels per match

[turbid ibex]

i know what you are

[hearty panther]

but getting all of them is a rather excessive grind and frankly if you're playing auric then the dockets just flow in

[tall torrent]

knife is really safe but u trade away a lot of mixed horde dps (on a class that usually wants good mixed horde dps melee)

[narrow torrent]

Reject melee, embrace reconlas go brrrrrt but no really, learn how to survive melee first

[hearty panther]

maybe my team should just learn to protect their AD carry

[frigid rover]

reject flexible melee options, embrace throwing a grenade at your feet every ten seconds

wheeee knife is so fast wheee!

it's like zealot with guns!

[scenic mantle]

I was trying not to use that because I leveled it up on another class

[narrow torrent]

You get to use it more on Veteran with Shocktrooper

[scenic mantle]

What is AD

[narrow torrent]

ADeez nuts

[scenic mantle]

I don’t think I’ve not died in a single auric mission, on any class

So I generally haven’t played on that difficulty

Actually wait I might have lived on the arbiter because of toughness

[fading girder]

oh btw how good like roll , stat , perk wise are my weapons .idk if im missing something etc.

[scenic mantle]

But I’m never leading the team in damage or anything like that

[turbid ibex]

💀 💀

[fading girder]

uh oh

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly. Not great!

You want 60 collateral on BP and 60 mobility on chainsword

[frigid rover]

they are being a bit rude but these do have some things to improve on

[turbid ibex]

a lot to improve on

[tall torrent]

lots of room for improvement
check the pinned guide

[frigid rover]

e.g. i believe the math for weakspot damage perk makes it less good than it sounds

among other things

[fading girder]

nah its fine im very new when it comes to buids and stuff

[turbid ibex]

crit and weakspot damage perks are fucking godawful abysmal turbodogwater

[fading girder]

will do 🫡

[tall torrent]

the fastest way to improve at this game is to play duo private

[fading girder]

alr cool , i just grind or buy ones with higher stats then?

[fading girder]

wait i thought higher number better

[frigid rover]

if you just check the shop every so often, eventually youll see 60 mobility weapons which is the preferred dump stat on just about everything that has a mobility stat
that or defense

[tall torrent]

it depends

power sword famously dumps cleave targets instead

[fading girder]

ohhh alr

[pseudo fiber]

Usually yes however the maximum stat spread is 4 at 80 1 at 60

So you want the 60 in your worst slot

[turbid ibex]

collateral is actually a better dump stat for guns than mobility on most too

[frigid rover]

well yes, but a maxed weapon will have a total of 20% missing from stats that are otherwise all 80s
so like 80/80/80/80/60

therefore we want the lowest possible 'max' number on the least important stat, which is usually mobility or defense (on melee) or collateral (on ranged)
anything that affects damage output should be 80, if possible

[fading girder]

so in terms of stats at least (when i upgrade it) this one is better?

[frigid rover]

mmyes

[turbid ibex]

yeah

[fading girder]

thanks chat

[frigid rover]

if you mouse over the stats in the inspect page of inventory, it'll tell you what each does

[turbid ibex]

it also unfortunately means you wasted a fuckton of resources on upgrading those weapons

[frigid rover]

theres room for personal preference but broadly speaking the mobility stat rarely makes much noticeable difference and most other stats affect damage somehow

ultimately it doesnt reeeeally make a huge difference, but there'll be more instances where a two hit kill becomes a one hit kill, which is good

[fading girder]

oki working on it now , what about perks and blessing those decent?

[turbid ibex]

.

that is the biggest thing to note about perks

[tall torrent]

no, check pinned guide

[turbid ibex]

pretty much every single weapon wants two separate "+25% damage vs armor type" perks

[frigid rover]

+flak damage is a very common best all-round perk for most melee weapons because so many enemies in the game are flak armor

...honestly i forget most chainsword blessings

[somber axle]

Shred/Wrath iirc

But it's very low-mid tier on Vet

[frigid rover]

wrath is not really necessary on most difficulties you'd expect one to be on while levelling blessings and stuff, i surmise

[somber axle]

It's so much more fun on Arbites and Hive Scum

[frigid rover]

mmmyeah shred

delicious crit...

[somber axle]

Hive Scum Rampage Chainsword gives me life

Is it better than Rashad or Tac Axe or Shivs? No but it's so satisfying

Become blender

Can even drop Wrath and swap it for the Rampage blessing because Scum gets so much cleave from the talent tree

The damage feels so good

Anyway why do Vostroyans feel like just better Krieg

I do not mean by lore I mean by the cosmetic paid shop sets

Vostroyans got a lot of love in their looks

[turbid ibex]

vostroyan

more like

[somber axle]

Krieg looks so boring comparably

[turbid ibex]

vOwOstwOwOnyan

[tall torrent]

cuz they are

[frigid rover]

Vostroynyan

[sharp epoch]

the havoc 40 grinders are not using smokes 😂

[somber axle]

You right LOL

They just are

[pseudo fiber]

I've said before the Vostroyan sets are all mini accurate

they're great

[somber axle]

I love the silver/blue look

I just wish they were selling matching pants

[tall torrent]

the real question is

will 11th edition have DT character miniatures

[pseudo fiber]

No

[tall torrent]

cuz the DT veteran armor genuinely looks good

[somber axle]

I think that would be the only thing to get me to buy 40k minis

I'd buy a Darktide Reject squad in a heartbeat

[tall torrent]

especially the helmet + rebreather

it's just so unique compared to other guardsmen gear

[somber axle]

The little Vet mini would sit on my desk

[pseudo fiber]

One of the best ever made.

[somber axle]

A gorgeous mini

The big fluffy hats were a little silly to me at first but they're growing on me

They wiggle so much

[pseudo fiber]

Also his brother

[pseudo fiber]

I love them for that

[somber axle]

Same

It's a very nice detail

I've also wanted a regiment look that canonically uses Helbores forever that isn't Krieg

It's here

Never swapping off Vostroyan for Helbore

[pseudo fiber]

Well technically they use heirloom lasguns

[tall torrent]

well they canonically don't lol

[hearty panther]

nerd

[turbid ibex]

heirlOwOm lasgUwUn

[somber axle]

Oh that's unfortunate

[tall torrent]

vostroyans use their own special heirloom lasguns that are basically relic tier weapons

[somber axle]

But on the bright side I have new lore to read and learn

[tall torrent]

they're special and better than other lasguns

because vostroya is a forge world and make their own stuff

[pseudo fiber]

Vostroya heard the call of the emperor to send troops during the horus heresy

And Vostroya said "No."

[somber axle]

That's cool lore and even if they don't use Helbores I'll take the skin and run with it because bayonet lasgun is bliss

[tall torrent]

and then they felt rly bad about it

so now they send their families' firstborn into IG

[pseudo fiber]

And they were right to say no but yeah now they feel bad

[tall torrent]

aka vostroyan firstborn

[turbid ibex]

what does relic tier mean

[pseudo fiber]

they instead just went crazy with manufacturing

[somber axle]

Wait they can just say no

[tall torrent]

means they're ancient and powerful

like

[somber axle]

I didn't realise anyone could do that and not get a visit from some very angry and violent Imperials

[pseudo fiber]

They were later forgiven

since again they made a shit ton of guns and tanks

like a fucking load of them

[tall torrent]

a vostroyan lasgun might be several thousand years old (and maybe more) and maintained well all this time

[somber axle]

Too important to make a scene out of it and they're repentant so no need ok

[tall torrent]

made with technology that has been lost to time

[somber axle]

Their lasguns are so pretty

[tall torrent]

40k's scientific discovery is emphasis on "discovery"

[somber axle]

A scope would complete it

[somber axle]

If they ever add the Longlas to Vet I will buy every skin they ever release for it

[tall torrent]

it was the horus heresy (everyone was getting fked) and their reason was that they figured that it'd better for them to produce a lot more stuff for war given they're a forge world

which was true given they did produce a lot of stuff

[pseudo fiber]

Speaking of look what I found!

[somber axle]

Honestly more of a shock that they weren't targeted for that tbh

But then Chaos probably had more important targets

[serene bough]

who are these dudes in the corner

[tall torrent]

30k was overall more reasonable than 40k

[turbid ibex]

Sam and Greg

[serene bough]

there are 3 of them

[tall torrent]

that's Gary

[turbid ibex]

ye

[somber axle]

I love their big bushy mustaches and sometimes beards. They need the fluffy hat without the mask or metal gas mask to let Vets show their faces too

[turbid ibex]

Sam Greg and Kevin

[serene bough]

they seem kinda chill

[somber axle]

Constantly praying they do a customization pass and add more hairstyles, facial hair, faces, scars and tattoos to the game for all classes

[pseudo fiber]

I love all their minis shame they are absurdly expensive

[somber axle]

A new voice for each of the base classes (minus Ogryn since they have 4 now) would be nice too

[somber axle]

AdMech are my fav faction and when I was starting to get into 40k and glancing at tabletop shenanigans/minis a friend laughed when they found out my fav because they are also expensive

[pseudo fiber]

Well I have great news about the Vostroyan firstborn hahaha

[somber axle]

And that reaction was probably what saved me from spending ridiculous amounts of money on AdMech minis

[somber axle]

Fielding an entire tabletop army of them sounds insanely pricey

That's nuts

LOL

[pseudo fiber]

Those two metal minis I posted above where a present from a friend

[turbid ibex]

is there even any stuff for 40k tabletop that isnt expensive to begin with

[somber axle]

Starter kits I think?

That's what they recommended to me but I didn't like any I saw

[pseudo fiber]

For 40k? It depends

[somber axle]

I didn't look very hard

[pseudo fiber]

if you just want minis to paint

Guard are worth it. Space marines are also not terrible

Like £40 for 10 space marines will keep you busy

[pseudo fiber]

tbf they are like 21 years old?

If you're willing to do it knights are the best points per cost model

[somber axle]

At least they're not in the same spot as Steel Legion

I read that they had their older models discontinued for manufacture so you can't really buy them anymore

The funny vid of "how to paint Krieg to be Steel Legion" was so so funny

[pseudo fiber]

all metal minis have been

[somber axle]

I wish YouTube weren't cowards and showed the like/dislike ratio bar

It would've been full red

[pseudo fiber]

steel legion are getting plastic ones

[somber axle]

Yeah it's good news but feels like a knee-jerk reaction and not something planned tbh

[pseudo fiber]

the concept art was a year old

[somber axle]

The vid of Yarrick coming back to war on Armageddon with armies of Cadians and Krieg instead of any Steel Legion raised so many eyebrows

The vid was amazing except for missing their iconic legion

[pseudo fiber]

the meme video was funny tho

[somber axle]

There was a meme video?

[pseudo fiber]

https://youtu.be/JBjruGbTZXU?si=A7w9JEVJGSWBmd78

[somber axle]

LMFAO

That's amazing

I'm still not in the tabletop stuff or minis (yet) but it makes me wonder if Darktide will add a new Steel Legion set whenever the new designs are released

We already have 3 so far afaik

[pseudo fiber]

probably not

[somber axle]

Cadians have a bunch of sets and recolours anyway

And Krieg has I think 2-3 sets?

[pseudo fiber]

it's clear fs devs are fans of pre 8th stuff

2 bad ones yes

[somber axle]

Yeah those were so poorly done

We still don't have a proper Catachan look so maybe that's on the table

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe

honestly there no way to know

we should have got a new set with expeditions

:(

[somber axle]

Sadness

Afaik I already own all the regiment cosmetics so the only thing I want is the Elysian helmet with gas mask combo to complete my Elysian look on Vet

[pseudo fiber]

thanks for funding the updates

[tall torrent]

I rly just want a black recolor scion helmet now

[somber axle]

I have too much disposable income and a lack of self control

[tall torrent]

U should ask ur uncle who works at fatshark to make it

https://klipy.com/gifs/hanabi-hsr

[somber axle]

But also I really like Darktide and hope the money goes toward making the game better

[tall torrent]

Nah blight + rot armor 24/7 on havoc

[somber axle]

I buy a bunch of sets and then most times I'm just wearing the 21st Recon set from playing beta just because I love playing as one of the goofballs who died in the trailer/intro

[pseudo fiber]

he made the vet vostroyan set then got fired sorry :(

[somber axle]

I still haven't taken a second look at Havoc since coming back from a year long break and tbh I still feel too rusty in my Aurics/Maelstroms

I don't want to be carried or be a liability when I get in there and I need more practice

[pseudo fiber]

you weren't lyin

[somber axle]

Hive Scum messed with my muscle memory on dodging so much LOL

Jittery lets you do such wacky things

[fading girder]

alright think i made decent weapons perks and blessing , thanks chat for yall help 👍
theres some stuff i need to look at like "cleave" although my chainsword has the "ravage" modifier but it'll do for now , gn chat

[somber axle]

Literally dodging back and forth in front of ragers and crushers and maulers with zero fear full blender mode because Scum never runs out of dodges

Then return to Vet and feel so sluggish

[tall torrent]

I use no dodge talents on hvs because of this

even if I do I don't get dodge distance

dodge distance is just disorienting

[turbid ibex]

Its funny tho

[tall torrent]

it's alr for bonesaw ig?

[somber axle]

I should do that too but it's so fun with all the crazy dodging you can do

[hollow ibex]

I use dodges for tactical mobility on HIV ngl

Crab slide into melee range of enemies

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[feral jetty]

is dclaw good on vet

I like it a lot but idk if i'm trolling myself lol

[hollow ibex]

eh

[feral jetty]

any suggestions beyond power sword

or knife I guess

i'm so hive scum pilled I forgot how to vet lol

I used to really like chainsword and bolt pistol

idk if that's good anymore

[dry cloak]

Nothings changed

[feral jetty]

so that's a fine build or?

[dry cloak]

Ueah

Why everyone assumes everything is shit

[tidal warren]

idk prolly ds

most ppl use ps tho afaik

[feral jetty]

DS scares me because afaik its horde clear potential is

not good lol

[tidal warren]

u can take a cleave blessing

if ud like

ppl usually just use it for carapace cleaning tho

[dry cloak]

Using ds makes your dick small

[feral jetty]

also the stigma of dickhead ds/plasma vets is real af lol

[tidal warren]

😭 😭

[feral jetty]

idk

[tidal warren]

ive become a lasgun lover after the recent patches

[feral jetty]

I don't want someone to look at me having a DS at the lobby and go "jfc here we go"

[tidal warren]

before that it was always deadshot bolty with marksman

[feral jetty]

i'm using weapons specialist so I love my bolt pistol

[fading girder]

DS?

[feral jetty]

dueling sword

[dry cloak]

Duealing sword

[tidal warren]

duelsword

ive been running knife lasgun recently

i love

[fading girder]

Ah , is it op in the build rn then?

[feral jetty]

what lasgun

I also dunno any other build outside the ones in the pinned build

[dry cloak]

Is for around 1.5 years

[tidal warren]

infantry

[dry cloak]

Do your own

[tidal warren]

mk7

is very nice to use in all diff

havoc included

[feral jetty]

I can not lie i'm not good at that

unfort

[tidal warren]

its also just nice not starving for ammo in hr matches

ur

[tidal warren]

most vet builds are more or less the same tbh

[fading girder]

Oh lmfao , kinda surprised given the game has been out for a couple of years I thought the no man land stuff was at least two years old

[feral jetty]

I wanna use that capstone that marks enemies when you ping and gives a buff if you kill them

idk if it's good tho

[tidal warren]

yea thats what most people run

it is good

[feral jetty]

oh fr?

[tidal warren]

yes

[dry cloak]

Duing sword is as it is since unlocked and loaded

[tidal warren]

i think weapspecialist is the least used keystone on vet

[feral jetty]

oh wow lmao

fair

[tidal warren]

at least in asia

[dry cloak]

@feral jetty Pal. Everything is viable

[tidal warren]

^

[feral jetty]

I just don't want to troll my team idk man

[tidal warren]

if ur good enough u can run anything you like

and not die

[dry cloak]

You wont troll unless you spend 30 points before ability upgrades

[feral jetty]

i'm good at the game like objectively but I want to be helpful lol

[dry cloak]

Pal

I run dc7 and laspitol

[tidal warren]

the prion build

[dry cloak]

Im useless against crushers

[tidal warren]

if i can run deadshot infantry autogun exec stance you can do whatever you like

[dry cloak]

Unless kraks ofcourse

[tidal warren]

dont do whay i did though it was a pain in the ass to play

[feral jetty]

sorry if i'm being annoying

[tidal warren]

ur not

gr

[feral jetty]

wait are you in asia emi

and ty lol

[tidal warren]

yez

[feral jetty]

neat

what time is it over there lol

[tidal warren]

11am

gmt+7

[feral jetty]

dayum

[tidal warren]

i woke ip an hour ago just to find out the wifis down

🥀

[feral jetty]

@tidal warren what blessings do you like on infantry lasgun

[midnight totem]

Man, skirmisher is a pretty strong node

[hollow ibex]

yup

[midnight totem]

Hate it

[hollow ibex]

why?

[tidal warren]

i use infernus and headhunter

[midnight totem]

Unreasonable reasons, don't mind me

I'll get over it

I suppose, Im looking at onslaught versus exploit weakness on my way for a melee vet build

[tidal warren]

can replace 1 of these wit no respite though

[midnight totem]

Probably exploit since im using a revolver

[hollow ibex]

why infernus on a lasgun

infernus on even mk2 is not very good

[shrewd topaz]

Ghost jumpscare

[grand perch]

saw infernus on a helbore yesterday. slowest firing mark too

maybe he went for the super specific build where you need infernus to take off the last 27 health to oneshot crushers

[tame lodge]

Based actually

He kills them

Then cremate so they don't come back

[slender elm]

I feel like ghost is slept on

But idk how good it is cuz i dont use it

Often turn a corner and get blasted by shotgunner squads

And thats where ghost is king

[tame lodge]

I mean
It's alright

It also should proc on dodge stuff
So more reciprocity value

[slender elm]

Probably

[iron parcel]

what button for Ls (in the attack string thingies) is that a light after special?

[slender elm]

Yeah, L are lights

[iron parcel]

oh i mean like

[tame lodge]

It was usually s.L

Which meant special light

But now I guess it's light special

[iron parcel]

okay either way as i suspected

[tall torrent]

Light (special)

[shrewd topaz]

Just

Dodge normally

[steep flower]

Thats simply skill issue

[slender elm]

Yeah

[somber axle]

Ghost and Gunner Resist are so good

I've had moments where I didn't even realise I had an entire firing squad of gunners and reapers behind me while I was firing away at specials/elites from another direction

And had the free time to clean up that flank before turning to wipe them next without any threat

[tidal warren]

cus i like it

[somber axle]

It makes you feel so invincible LOL

It's hard to go back to Deadly Accurate/Headhunter on the iLas even if the damage does feel noticeably stronger for picking apart bosses (and tbh boss damage is already a non-issue so it just feels extra)

The survivability from Ghost is just too good to pass up

Even better is that if you are the focus for gunners/reapers it means that pressure isn't on your squad

You can afford to play more aggressively with it knowing you'll be fine

HH/DA makes you play more defensively in my experience

[livid vale]

Ghost is peak, imo

The ability to withstand the gunfire of an entire continent while you pick off targets

And also, the feeling that if you miss, yer cooked.

[somber axle]

The gunner resist helps with that a bit

once you have confirmed kill rolling it gives you a little bit of leeway with iron will

enough to avoid toughness breaks for short windows between ghost falling off and the next headshot

But it really does feel like you're untouchable LOL

Also the easy reciprocity stacking

[bold sierra]

played some Agripana Infantry Autogun Exec Stance w/ Withering Fire in Havoc 40. it was actually great. Being able to kill some specials and elites through 21st Moebians, and hitting 2 Ragers in a shot is very nice.

It wasn't even super tight on ammo.

[amber cliff]

Not plasma gun. Dpm too low…bzzt…sending darktide build cabal to your home 🤖

[nimble jay]

I fancy myself an anti-armor unit, with the bolter and krak grenades.

[bold sierra]

🥀

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/they-got-him-ted-ted-show-gif-4342699035732514153

[teal canyon]

Pls, use power ui instead of this

[bold sierra]

that shit makes my game stutters

[amber cliff]

The only Ui advice I’ll ever accept is this clip someone sent where their game looked like it was from body cam footage

It was actually incredibly food

Dope

[amber cliff]

https://imgur.com/hm5wms1

This one

What a cool idea

[tame lodge]

I wouldn't survive the fish eyes effect

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[fickle narwhal]

what's the best way to deal with crusher infused with pest i find them specially tanky even with plasma gun when they spawn as a wave and i don't know how to deal with them

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/blood-shining-splash-blood-gif-12688509

[bold sierra]

i assume u mean rotten armor?

[tame lodge]

Dots don't get affected by rotten armor

[fickle narwhal]

yeah those with green gas

[bold sierra]

kraks is best obivously, but putting aside blitz, for melees I like running Mk12 Chainaxe with Thunderous (the blue one, has insane stagger on the push attack, can knock Crusher out of their animation) or Mk3 Powersword with Supercharge and let Serrated Blade do the killing. Or just spam the stab+overhead combo of Mk6 Powersword.

For guns, Bolter with Shattering Impact and Puncture, let bleeds do most of the killing.

and ofc, be decent at dodging, that's about it

good thing Rotten Armor Crushers are pretty slow so you can dodge them a bit easier than normal

[fickle narwhal]

I hate how nerfed was the veteran squad leader build, i don’t feel confortable playing it anymore, is there any change in havoc meta for vet or does this build keep working as good as before?

[bold sierra]

it's still good, still the most used ability cuz it's just simple, but other 2 abilties are just as good as it now. If anything, can be way better too than shout.

[tame lodge]

I have no idea which build is that

[bold sierra]

Tho I feel inclined to take the revive shout modifier now, cuz it gives it realy good util other than the diminished gold toughness part. You can cancel DH's finisher with it.

was able to save some dudes getting neck-snapped by DH with it, pretty peak. And revive them through walls and stuff

[fickle narwhal]

I feel like they enjoy making the game harder and harder for no reason, i’ve come back to play a few games on havoc 20 after a month out and i’m alredy feel burnout

Just after 2 games and i’m alredy wondering about keep playing

It was really that op the plasma gun and scream leader?

[tame lodge]

Those both still op

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[fickle narwhal]

How many hours you got at game

[tame lodge]

2500

[bold sierra]

yeah lol, they're still good, you just can't spam it anymore lmao

[tame lodge]

[fickle narwhal]

Lmao

[bold sierra]

I got 4.4k

[tame lodge]

Once they buff Gunlugger I'll play only that until 3k hours

[fickle narwhal]

So casual players are out of the lategame? If i need 2 k hours to feel confortable with this idk if i would

[tame lodge]

Man

It's havoc

It's already dogshit

Lmao

Sprinkle in Rotten Armor which is also dogshit

[fickle narwhal]

It’s havoc 20 i was playing fucking havoc 38 last month

[tame lodge]

And you have

Dogshit ²

[fickle narwhal]

Same build same game same mode

But the build still op

Damm

[bold sierra]

isn't it good now lol? I played like 4 H40s with twinlinked stubber with PBB so far, pretty great xD. albeit, u gotta use PBB to get the most out of it.

[fickle narwhal]

Not to mention the amount of players quitting from games due this pestilence blessing

[tame lodge]

PBB bot is not Gunlugger

Oh you're good every

90 seconds?

Yeah 90 seconds

See? PBB bot

[bold sierra]

stacking Lucky Bullet cdr and the other one makes it feel like 20s at best tbh

but sure

[tame lodge]

You're trading melee ogryn (very good) to make your mid tier ranged weapon usable

[steep flower]

Not 90; 70s cd AND your cdr talents make it its every ~35 - 40s
Get it right

[tame lodge]

It's not worth it

[tame lodge]

You still only good every 40 seconds

💀

PBB bot

🫵

I will not complain about how Hiver gets the better weapons and 100% ammo refund

Because that's a story for another day

[steep flower]

Not really 2k; learning process is different for everybody
Some ppl play longer & are still dogshit

[tame lodge]

True

[bold sierra]

if you see dudes with like 2000+ extra levels, ooh boi

they probably spent most their time in Damnation Aurics or sth speedrunning

always like super bad

[tame lodge]

I was good day 1 one because I'm always good

[fickle narwhal]

Idk i feel like game can’t manage to get more and more elitist after each update with the actual base player

[steep flower]

Meet ppl who play worse & build worse than me despite playing longer
I guess the learning process is a thing ey

[steep flower]

There are a couple of elitist
And by ‚elitist’ i mean a bozo who refuses to help the team & goes for a cheese rather than improvement of others

[bold sierra]

eh, all u really need is the melee atk speed node and bleed dmg reduction node and you're pretty much good, the bleeds do most of the work anyway.

[tame lodge]

You're losing ~400% melee damage but sure

[bold sierra]

and maybe some others I forgot the names

[steep flower]

Like cool you do great; now go help others & make them better rather than stroking your ego - you already stroke your dick to sleep every night

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

I don’t even use bleed & its still good

All is a playstyle

[fickle narwhal]

I think this was grow by the urge need to make game harder and harder after each update, people turns more elitist and do things like download mods to see you winrate and not invite you on havoc games and shits like that on a coop game

Doesn’t feel right

[steep flower]

Plenty in this server

[tame lodge]

#buffGunlugger

Imma breakfast or something

See ya

[bold sierra]

yeah lol

hell, these days I see most ogryns just do most of their dmg with Grenadier Gaunlet and shit anyway xD

[bold sierra]

tbh, Havoc is EASIER than last patch, even Rotten Armor as well. They basically reduced the amount of Crushers that are spammed, now you see mostly Maulers and Ragers in Rotten Armor

still tho, if gold-toughness spam wasn't nerfed, I fear it'd set a bad precedence for the future, it's very necessary that gold-toughness shouldn't be considered "the norm"

[fickle narwhal]

You keep asking for nerfs and only 2k hours players will remain at game

[boreal zenith]

thats how pvm games work. they either produce new content or they die off.

[south spindle]

Well yes, but actually no

If player power was to come down a bit, then they could reduce the amount of armour clown-cars, and the game would overall feel better to play

But sadly the community won't tolerate a drop in their power even if the end result of it would be a net-positive for everyone involved

[bold sierra]

they technically did already tbf, but most players dont know anything about it

the terror event change

[south spindle]

When was this?

And Im gunna need patch notes

Because from what I've played of late, its effectively the same as what it was prior

[south spindle]

That doesnt really mean less armour clown cars, thats just an increase in enemy variety

Far as I can tell the problems are still there

[bold sierra]

reason why you saw wayyy too many instances of clowncars with just a bunch of crushers and stuff

[bold sierra]

tbf I don't fully know what it 100% means, but at least from all of my Havoc games so far, I see mostly Maulers and Ragers now, and usually only maybe 2-3 Crushers at best.

I haven't seen whole trains of Crushers/Bulwarks as crazy as be4 anymore

[buoyant mica]

what would you say is the best mark of heavy laspistol?

[tame lodge]

Mk2

Higher dps

[boreal zenith]

i just played with 2 ogryns who actually tried to protect me

what a miracle

[sonic kayak]

I'll protect you

[willow prairie]

spawn is extremely funny rn

[shrewd topaz]

i wonder why people dont like havoc

[willow prairie]

you can be on elevator and get jumped by bursters before the door even open

i had one havoc game ended because of that

[pseudo fiber]

Doesn't power supply interruption spawn less enemies anyways

[shrewd topaz]

no

more daemons

[sonic kayak]

AKA "More hoes for A Pimp Named Slickback"

[shrewd topaz]

its so cool seeing 20 rotten crushers

[tame lodge]

*not seeing

[shrewd topaz]

fuck you even use atp

[boreal zenith]

what does rotten armor do

i keep seeing people complain about it

[sonic kayak]

Armored elites (Crushers and Maulers) are now extra stinky; They have massive DR that gets whittled down the more damage they take, and when they die, they leave fart clouds

But they spawn in hordes

[shrewd topaz]

basically like

double ehp

iirc

[boreal zenith]

ah

[shrewd topaz]

actually more idr

but they just spawn a fuckin stupid amount

its just cancer as fuck

[sonic kayak]

Genuinely annoying

[shrewd topaz]

extra fun when its yk

20 crushers

oh fuck me

why did i join a puddle havoc with no anti corrupt

[shrewd topaz]

havoc is so fun how could you tell

[tame lodge]

Why your stuff

Squashed

💀

[nimble jay]

[shrewd topaz]

this is so fun woooooo

[tame dragon]

Is the smoke bomb helpful at all with exe stance?

I should say is it helpful at all

[tidal warren]

yes

[tidal warren]

up to 80% damage reduction that scales on hp

the lower hp the lower the dr

[willow prairie]

effectively they're tankier

but they don't have dot res

[shrewd topaz]

because they wernt tanky enough

[willow prairie]

we need less variety

[hollow ibex]

please enjoy your sick fetishes in private

[nimble jay]

Bolt weapons take down an armored ogryn with a single mag.

Even the pistol.

[dusk osprey]

almost any weapon that doesn't take down an armoured ogryn after dumping a whole mag into it should probably stay in heresy for penance hunting lol

[lean rune]

"single mag" : D

[tame dragon]

My recon lasgun can kill anything in a single mag with enough crits

[sonic kayak]

Shooting?

[tidal warren]

😭 😭

[grand perch]

hey chat how you doin

[dusk osprey]

just a lil somethin to take the edge off

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif?ex=69d125dc&is=69cfd45c&hm=b9e7d846077761b8d462c6d99f6d8f4b5886c243603ae4062496284916581466&=&width=1000&height=1000

[boreal zenith]

whats the best autogun

im thinking graia. but maybe someone else has ideas

[serene bough]

Vraks 5 is usually the most used

Idk much about the other autoguns I hardly use

[hallow drift]

I like this guy already

[boreal zenith]

is that infantry?

[serene bough]

Yeah infantry autogun

[boreal zenith]

that has the lowest damage

interesting choice

[serene bough]

Its a dps bullet hose

Its got good finesse and crit damage

People still use but I think recon is more popular for other reasons (mostly ammo economy w/ shocktrooper)

[boreal zenith]

ive been using the vigilant mk 7

but ya i could try infantry

[serene bough]

People use Vig3 the most of that family

[boreal zenith]

really

[dry cloak]

yep

[serene bough]

Yeah I dont like it but its a decent gun

[dry cloak]

dps on headshots with proper build is fucking insane

[boreal zenith]

i mean... mk7 slaps on headshots as well

[dry cloak]

yes it does

[boreal zenith]

ok... what mk recon lasgun then

[toxic reef]

the slowest I think on vet at least

aka highest dmg

[boreal zenith]

ok ill try it

[tidal warren]

fastest

is what most people use

[boreal zenith]

ugh so much conflicting info

[serene bough]

I think all of the recons are serviceable

[tidal warren]

its just preference

i like fastest tho

[serene bough]

Im pretty sure slowest for more accuracy at range, fastest for bullet hosing, middle for ammo econ

[dry cloak]

they are wrong

6c is the best one

its clear cut

[serene bough]

Why

[tidal warren]

just test them out on psykanium and see which one you like best

[dry cloak]

doesnt have weird slowdowns of mk 12

[boreal zenith]

6c is the middle one, not the damage one

[dry cloak]

and can actually kill compared to just sreading rife like mk12

[dry cloak]

yep

[dry cloak]

actually good advice

[tidal warren]

yea its what i do lol

[narrow torrent]

Reconlas my beloved

[dry cloak]

you are in very small minority

[tidal warren]

[dry cloak]

your cognitive ability has been preserved

compared to vast majority of players

[boreal zenith]

ok what if i dont want to use lasers

whats the best autogun

[dry cloak]

im not talking about you pal

[dry cloak]

depends

[boreal zenith]

i know im asking a different question

[sharp epoch]

the fastest firing I think its called vraks now

[dry cloak]

i can give you a boring answear and proper answear

[boreal zenith]

give me a real answer, not the answer that says its preference

[dry cloak]

vraks mk5

get lost in meta

eh

[dry cloak]

no its not preference

its use case here

[boreal zenith]

i like to shoot and i hate melee

[dry cloak]

wrong game

melee is must learn skill

[boreal zenith]

it works out when i have good ogryn teammate

[sharp epoch]

autoguns have ammo problems thats why people run the lasers

[boreal zenith]

who does the melee for me

[dry cloak]

not always available

[serene bough]

You will eventually need to melee

If you want mostly ranged you should go psyker

[sharp epoch]

or desperado hive scum even though that was pretty nerfed

[dry cloak]

or ranged scum

[dry cloak]

the thing is it wasnt

its just making it more engaging

[somber axle]

Or Helbore

[boreal zenith]

charging = no

[sharp epoch]

i mean its still a nerf engaging or not, it's weaker than before

[dry cloak]

ah

someone optimised the fun out of the game

[somber axle]

If you have a group that keeps melee pressure off a Helbore ends up being mostly ranged support deleting specials/elites including Crusher killing as arguably the only Vet weapon worth shooting them with

[boreal zenith]

im having a lot of success with vigilant graia

i think yall are sleeping on it

[somber axle]

Other guns force you to swap to melee, use a krak or waste too much ammo while Helbore does it faster and for free with surgical

[dry cloak]

how many hours in dt do you have

[boreal zenith]

like 50

[dry cloak]

shows

[serene bough]

I just run ilas plasma or db these days

The other weapons dont do it for me in terms of entertainment

[sharp epoch]

I think most people giving you advice are giving it from auric+, so what works for you doesnt work for them on those difficulties

[boreal zenith]

i play auric

[somber axle]

I like swapping between all the weapons for fun and making different goofy builds

[serene bough]

Stop having fun

[boreal zenith]

if they put havoc on quickplay id play that too

[somber axle]

This is a funny week for havoc modifiers

[sharp epoch]

i dont think thatd ever happen, random pubs would fail 90% of the time

[boreal zenith]

i wouldnt mind that

[sharp epoch]

thing is team comps matter more in havoc so 3 veterans might be gg off the bat

[serene bough]

What are the havoc modifiers

[somber axle]

Rotten 🙂

[sharp epoch]

blight rotten moebian pretty sure

i forgot the 4th

[narrow torrent]

If you just want to shoot you pretty much gotta stick with las weapons on veteran, Desperado Hive scum, or staff psyker

[somber axle]

I keep seeing people angry about it LOL

[boreal zenith]

are you talking about havoc only though right

[dry cloak]

no he is not

[serene bough]

I do not like rotten so I understand this

[boreal zenith]

im doing fine with ammo efficiency on auric

thats why i asked

[serene bough]

But blight and moebian are easy to deal with

[sharp epoch]

I like rotten on hive scum, you get some juicy rockets

[somber axle]

On Auric/Maelstrom outside of CIVI you can kinda get away with leaning harder into ranged on more weapons

As long as you're not competing too hard with others for ammo

Depends on your weapon and team

[serene bough]

Rotten armor was the modifier that made me pause from playing havoc

[somber axle]

If you are sharing a squad with two plasma/bolter Vets you will be racing each other for ammo tins

[serene bough]

Pre-nerf blue stim was bad too but rotten was awful

[somber axle]

If you are with a bunch of staff psykers the world is your ammo

[sharp epoch]

I thought blue stimm was worse tbh

[boreal zenith]

yea i dont want to play with other ammo hogs

i should be the only ammo user on my team

[narrow torrent]

Always pains me to see a random reconlas vet sucking up all the ammo. Like bro, you don’t need all that

[tidal warren]

would sometimes rather face rot instead of blight tbh

[sharp epoch]

it literally made enemies invincible and unstaggerable in gas like wtf

[serene bough]

Hard to decide which one I disliked more

[somber axle]

I've seen people on white ammo eating every tin/pack they see when others are orange/red ammo

[serene bough]

My gut tells me rotten armor was more depressing

[somber axle]

I think we just have some newer players getting used to things and they need time to learn and grow

[sharp epoch]

thing is blight gets hard countered by any beacon zealot or boxscum

horrible without one of those though

[tidal warren]

typa greed they talk about in the ecclesiarchy

[tidal warren]

yea ik its just super annoying

i find myself not realising im standing in the goo sometimes

[somber axle]

I've also seen a crazy Hive Scum who sprinted ahead, hunted every Daemonhost and had it half dead the second it stood up and full dead before it could even attack but played pretty well around the team any other time

[boreal zenith]

so tell me more about this hive scum thing

do i have to use lame guns like dual uzis?

or can i use a big rifle

[somber axle]

Dude was named Dh-feet-enjoyer or something and after killing 3 daemonhosts solo before anyone could even see they existed we ended the match with him saying "feet secured" and leaving immediately

[narrow torrent]

You can use the Vraks autogun

[sharp epoch]

auric malestrom or havoc?

[somber axle]

The community has some funny creatures

[narrow torrent]

Slap cooldown on your stims, grab the Chem Dependency keystone, go shoot everything.

[somber axle]

Auric Mael match

[tidal warren]

i love people like this

i dont play pubs anymor tho

[somber axle]

I've had some really fun pub matches lately

[sharp epoch]

thatd be fun to do i wonder how fast you can melt them

[tidal warren]

i only play havoc nowadays

with friends

or peopl that want some help

[boreal zenith]

was he cheating or is hive scum just op

[sharp epoch]

the latter

[somber axle]

Ogryns who are role-playing either in text or voice and protecting everyone hard-core while cheering us on and some very solid players with good awareness and team play

[somber axle]

They can just do that with the right set up

Zealot can too iirc

[tidal warren]

yea

theyre pretty squishy though

[somber axle]

They both have crazy boss damage potential

[tidal warren]

most hivescum i see are meh

sadly

[sharp epoch]

he most likely running like the shout on rampage it makes bosses swing way slower and staggers

[tidal warren]

prolly with stim pistol too

[somber axle]

Even on Auric Mael I don't think most people are running hyper optimized builds

[serene bough]

Most fun moment on hvs is tox pistoling a DH then parrying all subsequent attacks with dclaw

[somber axle]

Most people I see have gameplay fundamentals down pat and can run anything while still being fine

Sometimes you see a newer player and they need a little more help

I did see a few people who didn't know to shove poxbursters and one very confused and very funny Psyker who would sprint up to poxbursters and then attack them and detonate them in his face

[tidal warren]

😭

[somber axle]

It's wild someone gets to Aurics without knowing to shove bursters LOL

[narrow torrent]

You can be mostly ranged only even in Havoc 40, there’s plenty of evidence showcasing it for different builds tbf. Generally won’t be 100% outside of maybe Hive Scum, but it’s there

[boreal zenith]

vigilant graia is good. youre all wrong

it has a +100% headshot damage blessing

[somber axle]

Yeah lasguns can get away with it there for sure

Helbore is the best at it

Running ammo positive through encounters LOL

[tidal warren]

lasgun my beloved

[somber axle]

The Vigilant autoguns are so so satisfying and strong but I wish they'd release a good cosmetic for them because wow it hurts me to look at them

[serene bough]

They are ugly guns

Thats for sure

[tidal warren]

i havent used the vigilant in a long while

[serene bough]

I couldn't justify using it over las counterparts like ilas or helbore

[narrow torrent]

Why single shot when you can shoot more 😎

[sharp epoch]

psyker is closer to 100% than hs

[narrow torrent]

I still gotta try the Voidblast Gaze build

[sonic kayak]

I think I know him

[boreal zenith]

do all the marks of the same weapon class have the same armor penetration?

[somber axle]

usually differs

there's a guide in the pins of this channel you can check for each weapon/mark

it's weird but as an example iLas Mk IX has slightly better Carapace ADM (not that it changes anything but still)

the other two iLas variants have 0% Carapace iirc but like the IX has 6% or something silly

[boreal zenith]

ok yea i just tested the vigilants

mk7 is obviously the best

[dry cloak]

i suggest you check in with the guide in the pins

[boreal zenith]

the guide says mk3 is the best

which is wrong

[dry cloak]

depends on blessing used

[boreal zenith]

mk9 even feels better than mk3

[dry cloak]

i can see that

all 3 vigis have damage type that they do more damage to

graia is maniac

agrip is cara

and vraks is flak iirc

[boreal zenith]

oh thats interesting

[dry cloak]

and not discredit you

you having 50h in dt makes your takes worthless at best

author of the guide tested all weapons listed there very thouroughly

to you

sure mk7 may be the best

objectively speaking mk3 is best

[boreal zenith]

objectively eh?

[dry cloak]

yes

[boreal zenith]

i dont think you know what that means

[dry cloak]

i know

objectively vraks mk5 is best iag

subjective is absolutely dispise it

[boreal zenith]

mk7 graia has more crit damage, finesse, and cleave

it just kills harder

[dry cloak]

yes

since its the heaviest variant

everythings is order

[midnight totem]

What a chad

[dry cloak]

@tall torrent you will explain it better

why which vigi good

[midnight totem]

Anyway, I swapped to using skirmisher

[dry cloak]

do not forget that the other 2 are burst fire

[midnight totem]

I just really liked having both confirmed kill and out for blood

[slow spade]

smh not stacking damage, brb deactivating your gamekey

[somber axle]

I think the 3 round burst gives it more DPS but tbh I like the version that's single shot more

[midnight totem]

You don't pay my sub!

[somber axle]

But the 3 round burst weapon did feel really good to use with that one talent that increases clip size

[boreal zenith]

i did not forget

[somber axle]

it's probably the only weapon I've ever cared to try that talent on

[boreal zenith]

also, mk3 and mk9 have worst hipfire accuracy than mk7

and i often hipfire

[dry cloak]

then no wonder you prefer mk7

[boreal zenith]

the hipfire is extremely accurate up to mid range

[dry cloak]

you chose a weapon that suits your needs best

simple as that

[midnight totem]

Sorry, what's the current argument?

[somber axle]

btw if you like autoguns I'd recommend the Hive Scum

unfortunately no Vigilant Autogun on them iirc

but they do get Infantry Autoguns, Dual Autopistols and Dual Stub Pistols

[dry cloak]

which vigi is better

[somber axle]

and all those feel really good to use on the class

the Dual Autopistols are really fun to play with

[midnight totem]

I forget the marks, but im partial to the triple burst fire

[somber axle]

and after the buff Stub Pistols feel solid too

[midnight totem]

The single shot is good too

[somber axle]

plus Hive Scum getting to just shoot for free and then Pick Pocket letting you get away with barely looking at ammo tins/packs ever

even the slight nerf to Pick Pocket only procing on melee elite/special kills didn't feel like a big deal

[midnight totem]

The recoil on the double burst remains wierd, but objectively its decent

If you crit on a burst, all three bullets are crits right?

[dry cloak]

yup

[midnight totem]

I like to use it with weapon specialist

[dry cloak]

its best with exe stance mmf

but i see what you are going for

[midnight totem]

The increased fire rate turns it into a hilarious iag

[dry cloak]

i always prefered revolvers or shotguns on ws

[ionic trail]

agrippa my beloved

[midnight totem]

Revolver is my preference too, but the headhunter autos were my first favorites

[surreal gust]

Scum does have vigilant last I checked

The vigilants are passable on hive scum, you’re better off using something else for desperado, they’re nice for general use

[hybrid plover]

They have vigi

[somber axle]

They do? I need to play that on them next time

I didn't see it initially but that's fantastic

Love the Vigilants

[scarlet pelican]

Is any of u vets running shock maul? It seems good against captains void shields but idk about rest of content?

[narrow frost]

Yeah

I run it into havoc

I like it with inf las gun

[scarlet pelican]

I been doing Power sword mostly but trying Smaul now and its decently nice

[somber axle]

I know what you mean. Sometimes I run the Recon Mk XII with Weapon Specialist instead of Focus Target because the extra ranged attack speed is so funny on the fastest automatic weapon in the game LOL

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/qv6KwEWHXB8?si=CktfT46mmYKQvgFR

My run with it

[scarlet pelican]

Ooo nice

@narrow frost what blessings on ur Inf lasgun?

[narrow frost]

Build in comments

Forgot what I used

Deadly/head hunter maybe

[dry galleon]

I use it from time to time and it's a pretty good melee.

And yes it does shred captain shields with the shock prod.

[midnight totem]

"I could be efficient, or I could be hilarious", -pulls bolter with max stacks of ranged weapon specialist for magdump-

If it was an astartes sized bolter, my veteran would fly

Btw Tiny, been following the Amazing Digital Circus? Can't believe its almost over

[somber axle]

Yeah I've been keeping up with it the whole time

The last episode was wild LOL

I've also spent an unhealthy amount on their merch

[hollow ibex]

definition of mid

[boreal zenith]

mk7 is the best vigilant

disagree?

[boreal zenith]

is hive good for damage though? vet gets a lot of stuff that improves ranged damage

[somber axle]

yeah they're also really good at ranged damage

I'd say Vet is definitely the stronger class for Vigilants because of Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus

but for the other Autoguns it feels more even

Hive Scum also has the benefit of being able to ignore ammo problems

[surreal gust]

Hive scum is fantastic for damage

[somber axle]

Vet with autoguns has to consider ammo pick ups frequently even with Survivalist's Aura

[surreal gust]

The infantry and braced (especially the faster ones) are really good on scum

For desperado it’s really just a choice of what weapons can spray their mag and put in a new one as quickly as possible (except the shredder, but that goes without saying)

[somber axle]

I've seen a few Hive Scum with the shredder autopistol and it makes me curious

[surreal gust]

It’s a sensible choice in theory, but like, use the braced autogun or the vraks infantry

I wish hive scum had las weapons honestly

[somber axle]

maybe one day dual laspistols

[surreal gust]

I want a class (hivescum or not) to get the wolfenstein treatment and be allowed to dual wield ARs

[boreal zenith]

so just as an example - stuff that I one tap with mk7 vigilant as vet. it will also one tap as hive?

[surreal gust]

I don’t use the vigilants much on scum so I wouldn’t know their practical breakpoints

But I was able to two tap gunners pretty consistently with the stub pistols

[somber axle]

Hive Scum feels more spray and pray

[surreal gust]

It is practical for accurate play though with that perk that makes your hipfire and braced accuracy better

In general though your gun builds are gonna be a lot more indiscriminate than veteran’s

[somber axle]

Idk about the breakpoints but the gameplay is identifying as an A-10 Warthog and firing so many bullets down range everything is dead when you stop to reload your infinite ammo

https://tenor.com/view/a10warthog-plane-brr-gif-27117334

[surreal gust]

I like pretending I’m dante from DMC and unloading into a crowd of poxwalkers with the stubs

[somber axle]

Like yeah Vet probably can hit better ranged DPS on the Vraks IAG but a Vet with an IAG is spending half their gameplay sniffing crates for the next hit of an ammo tin

[surreal gust]

It’s more sustainable on scum

[somber axle]

Hive Scum just spends all day shooting and if you run low stab a dog or something and you have your ammo back

[surreal gust]

I’m gonna be real, that talent is way too busted, and it’s not even a keystone

[somber axle]

The rocket launcher is also very funny for deleting ogryn squads and bullying bosses

[surreal gust]

The rocket launcher is very good when you’re getting swarmed

[somber axle]

Yeah even after the nerf Pick Pocket is still so strong but it's basically a Survivalist Aura on steroids

Just exclusive to Scum

It was even funnier before the nerf for being able to never pull out your melee ever but after playing more I understand why they changed it and it definitely needed the change

[surreal gust]

I think it needs a bigger nerf honestly, don’t get me wrong, i love it, but it’s too strong

[somber axle]

It honestly could use a little bit of an internal CD

[surreal gust]

I agree

[somber axle]

But then idk balancing so I wouldn't even know what to suggest for a CD

[hollow ibex]

prob 10-15 seconds

would never happen tho

[surreal gust]

I was thinking 30

[somber axle]

They do still want to sell the DLC class so it's probably why they pulled punches on nerfing it

[surreal gust]

Right

[somber axle]

But I imagine they're keeping an eye on it to see if it's still too strong and if they need to make another balance pass

[surreal gust]

Really wish the DLC classes at least got the 3 page treatment in the slop shop

But you know how games workshop is