veteran-class

[lunar maple]

Ghost with headhunter then?

[toxic reef]

it should

[lunar maple]

I’ll give it a try then thanks

[toxic reef]

it's kills at stack level

[tall torrent]

I did that penance way back when MF had to crab

[toxic reef]

same

but I just shot things a lot

[lunar maple]

What about chain sword

Shred and wrath still? Flak and maniacs ?

[tall torrent]

I updated chainsword section in the guide actually

U can take a look

Spoilers: neither is particularly good

[toxic reef]

yeah, which is a shame because there's such a nice skin for it

[lunar maple]

Fuck I’m trying to find the chain sword section

I’m scrolling

Oh there’s a section thing lol I’m dumb

I think I’m using the right stuff?

I couldn’t find refinements

[tall torrent]

Perks & blessings are now written per variant

Just scroll down

[somber axle]

I have a build to suggest if you're interested on a quick and fun way to do Killshot Ready

Melee of your choice

Preferably something that handles Carapace well

You can swap the ability/grenade if you prefer

Click heads to 10 stacks of Marksman's Focus then load a special shell into the Zarona Shotgun

It fires a very wide shot that will get a guaranteed crit from Scattershot to proc Man-Stopper and get infinite cleave

You can shoot it into hordes and every kill counts toward the penance

Very satisfying watching a whole line evaporate in a single shot

[toxic reef]

scattershot is for the next shot tho

[somber axle]

Infiltrate/Low Profile is so you can back off and use your team mates as lures to get a horde around them and give you time to position/load your special shell

[somber axle]

no it applies to current shot

if you want to be extra goofy you can swap a point into Deadshot for a guaranteed crit but Reciprocity will get you there anyway

[toxic reef]

huh

FS'd again

[somber axle]

anyway Infiltrate also helps with Killzone because there's really no solid talent node on the left side there for shotgun

shock trooper is worthless and the extra clip size is eh

[toxic reef]

I'd personally skip the inflitrate talent and just get 25 toughness

not too keen on using teammates at lures but

[somber axle]

Probably a good idea

You don't really need Low Profile and Infiltrate already buys you space to set up Killzone/special shell safely

[steep flower]

If you go for zarona shotty meme you already miss alot of key talents; could be better

[hollow ibex]

terrifying, even for a penance build

[bold sierra]

just curious, do High Voltage and Skullcrusher increase your teammates' dmg on shocked enemies by Shock Maul?

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher yes
High voltage no

[bold sierra]

right then

thanks

[bold sierra]

what about Opportunist?

[tall torrent]

Self, global rending buff

Check pinned guide

[bold sierra]

ah shame, so it also doesnt do the skullcrusher thing, ah well

thanks

[high token]

wat are decent carapace buster secondaries besides plasma? Was thinking helbore but idk how much talent investment it needs

[tame lodge]

Well plasma is not 1

So Revolver or Helbore

[high token]

plasma aint?

[turbid ibex]

plasma is not a carapace gun

[tough nova]

Helbore is the answer

[high token]

was doing havocs ystrday and was told to switch from inf las to plasma for rotten armor

[tame lodge]

Even worse

Because rotten has damage reduction overall

[grand perch]

lawl plasma for rotten armor

[high token]

helbore it is then

[tame lodge]

Yeah because

Havoc has no ammo for Revolver

[high token]

first roll perfect

[tall torrent]

Pretty much every gun that does acceptable carapace dps come with major caveats (usually in terms of ammo, it’s just not worth shooting them)

Helbore can afford to shoot crushers but unless u crit majority it’s not that great dps either

They’re just better dealt with via melee and krak

[high token]

that's wat I thought tbh seems kinda like a waste of ammo

but also wanted to try out smokes instead of kraks and then ur only left with melee

[tall torrent]

They’re primarily designed to be dealt with via melee

[high token]

Then I just swap from chainsword ig

or just go back to ogryn

[tall torrent]

Chainsword not good vs carapace

[high token]

Ye I figured

(read the guide)

tbh just dont wanna do powersword plasma cuz thats boring

[tame lodge]

There's a good amount of melee that can carapace

Power Sword
Combat Axe
Chain Axe
Knife
Dueling Sword
Tactical Axe
Shovel

Hell even the Shock Maul

(time to kill will vary)

[turbid ibex]

Time to vary

[high token]

if I do chain axe / helbore I feel like im gonna suck major against hordes

ah w/e

will just git gud or sumn

[dry galleon]

The humble fragmentation grenade

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277023294108864619/1474130101011746889/cat-funny.gif

[tame lodge]

Yeah you will have trouble fighting hordes

But since you're havoccing

You can ask your team to cover you

Right?

RIGHT?

[high token]

[dry galleon]

Look at this guy

Teamplay?

In this game

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe is actually alr

[tame lodge]

why does it turn the crusher

get rotated idiot

[tough nova]

The electric slide mark

[somber axle]

Nah it's just Killshot Ready penance farming shenanigans

[fading girder]

which is better wounds or raw health? or a balace of the two

[tame lodge]

Health

[tropic halo]

never take wounds except zealot marty

[fading girder]

alright thanks chats , cus rn i run an extra 3+ wounds lmao

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-show-speed-bed-ishowspeed-looks-at-camera-gif-27654432

[somber axle]

at least 1 HP curio is important for not getting instagibbed to bursters/snipers

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[somber axle]

then you can run toughness, stam or more HP to taste

stacking wounds isn't a good idea, at most just 1 wounds curio while you're learning and when you're comfy ditch it like training wheels

[high token]

shock trooper needed for helbore?

[fading girder]

ah oki , yea i found the build i like so i'll remove all 3 i have two +19% and a +20% to health curios and i'll slap the 5%+ health perk on as well

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s a mandatory talent imo

[fading girder]

is damage resitance against gunners and bombers a good idea?

[turbid ibex]

gunners yes

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately, yes

[high token]

fuuuuuuck i need to detour for that shit so hard with talents

[willow prairie]

is it worth it to run both hot shot and withering fire for rager cleave

any other bp

[tall torrent]

It’s quite funny

[tame lodge]

You get the equivalent to 9 cleave on Helbore

[willow prairie]

yeah ik

[tall torrent]

Helbore is usually MF

[fading girder]

alright cool thanks

[tall torrent]

But MF bad opportunity cost

[tame lodge]

9 cleave is actually pretty good

[willow prairie]

I just want to know if there any other cleave bp outside rager

[high token]

ye figured i might as well take it

[willow prairie]

since withering fire does nothing for me

[tame lodge]

Shotgunner at 5 iirc

[high token]

so ig with helbore i just focus on special sniping and prayge that my team clears horde?

[tall torrent]

Pretty much, unfortunately

MF’s opportunity cost is just horrendous

[high token]

Man.

[tall torrent]

U should generally just

Not rely on ranged for carapace

[high token]

ye I think im just gon stick to inf gun and swap to chain axe

[tidal warren]

gunners yes bombers no

[tough nova]

I think bombers only affects their stupid kick. Which i am ashamed to say has gotten me killed when they are stagger resistant.

[tidal fox]

is serrated blade even worth it

[turbid ibex]

ye but depends on melee

[tidal fox]

which weapons are good with it and why

[tough nova]

Knife lets you run mercy killer/uncanny which fucks.

[high token]

need serrated blade for that to apply bleed tho right?

[tough nova]

Yah. Otherwise you can run bleed on crit with uncanny. You might be able to get away with no serrated uncanny mercy killer if the elite density is there to support shredder. I prefer the reliability of serrated tho.

[tame lodge]

Power Sword because 44 cleave

End of the list

[high token]

whats not good with power sword

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[tough nova]

Don't need to move if everything is dead

[high token]

[tame lodge]

You can also try to run shovel with serrated blade

[turbid ibex]

any setup without power cycler

[tame lodge]

You know, a little oomph when trying to clear hordes

[tough nova]

Would you rather run psword no cycler or Rashad no bromentum

[high token]

death

[tame lodge]

Psword no Cycler

[pseudo fiber]

Can I kill myself

[fading girder]

sorry i mean the poxbombers the goobers that rush you and blow up

[flint lake]

If you're only taking a power sword for hoard clearing, you're better off with the catachan blade

no need to power it up just slice and dice

and you can parry ragers

[tame lodge]

Stop setting the dclaw to lose

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[grand perch]

dclaw man

[tall torrent]

No, affects fire and gas from bombers too

[flint lake]

dclaw is based

[grand perch]

give it innert chem dot like the cleaver or something i dunno

[tame lodge]

Considering it's Catachan

Sure

[tall torrent]

Mainly just relevant for knife
Has limited use for sunder power sword

[grand perch]

cheming a whole crowd

[toxic reef]

I run it on shovel

and I run shovel a lot

[flint lake]

shovel is a good meme

[toxic reef]

hardly a meme

[flint lake]

dueling sword or knife is better

[toxic reef]

no

[tidal fox]

Shovel users when they see 2 or more crushers

[flint lake]

shovel is just a meme

[tidal fox]

😱

[toxic reef]

why would crushers be a problem

[flint lake]

can't even clear hoards quickly

[toxic reef]

you just push attack combos a bit and they fold

mk1 with decimator is really safe

[tidal fox]

Yea except it takes 2 centuries to do so

[toxic reef]

just charge heavies to keep it going

[tidal fox]

2 crushes and mixed horde ur shovel is failing u

[flint lake]

shovel is just a way to create space and relie entirely on grenades and teamates

[toxic reef]

sounds like skill issue

[tidal fox]

Its fun to use but so subpar compared to other stuff

[toxic reef]

DS and knife is not helping me with hordes so why would I bother

[high token]

combat axe is fun

[flint lake]

a shovel with no grenades is fucked vs ragers

[tidal fox]

The humble powerswoed

Sword

[toxic reef]

yeah but that's not what we're talking about

that's a whole separate thing

[tidal fox]

How is dueling sword not helping u

Dueling sword is good

[flint lake]

DS or knife legit handles hoards better than the shovel

[tidal fox]

Not for horde clear but every other pub teammate has horde clear anyways

[tame lodge]

You guys do know

That DS has the worst horde clearing

In the game

Right?

[flint lake]

the knife can cause bleed without investing a talent slot and crrits like a champ

[toxic reef]

I think you guys just haven't used the shovel past the tutorial judging by your messages

[flint lake]

not to mention better dodge and mobility

[tidal fox]

I have, its subpar compared to other weapons bro

Horde clear aint allat

Neither is the single target dmg

[flint lake]

and the DS is decent vs hoards as long as you're going for head shots

[turbid ibex]

If by decent you mean worst in the game sure

[flint lake]

not any worse then the shovel and certainly better if we're comparing both while using serrated blade

shovel just goes bonk

a quality trait making it well worth the slot

[dry cloak]

Combat axe without bm

Alternatively mk3 knife

[flint lake]

but i won't defend it on the grounds of killing power or even its effective mobility compared to other alternatives

[tidal fox]

Ya

Dueling sword sweeps it out the park

Even if the cleave is bad its much easier to survive with it on your own compared to shovel

[flint lake]

Sub optimal builds though can be very fun regradless

I personally love to run DS + 2xbarrel shotgun with stealth and the right side of the tree

the double barrel does VERY well for hoard clearing

[hollow ibex]

You should really lay off the tanner and Mr E brainrot

[flint lake]

the ds swings fast and crits like mad

easily out preforms the shovel for hoard clearing

[silver patrol]

lol

[hollow ibex]

1 damage per hit, 2 on crit

[flint lake]

its not optimal but its better

[silver patrol]

to be clear, even if it crits, you are doing jackshit in a horde

you are maybe, maybe killing one chaff

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I can’t think of a worse horde clear weapon than DS

Like test out the horde clear time with the creature spawner mod

[flint lake]

again the DS is decent for horde clear

[silver patrol]

it's the worst weapon in the game for horde clear

[flint lake]

not even good

[hollow ibex]

And you tested this in a controlled environment?

[flint lake]

just adequate

[sonic kayak]

[hollow ibex]

There’s a difference between safe in hordes vs good at horde clear

The two are not the same thing

[flint lake]

shovel is very safe hoard clear

[tame lodge]

Only if Achlys though

[flint lake]

that's for sure

[silver patrol]

shovel is safe and decent hordeclear

[flint lake]

great dodges, blocks, good stagger

[tame lodge]

Since it has no cleave

It won't damage a second target

[silver patrol]

it's not like fantastic hordeclear

but it's pretty decent

it's a generalist weapon

[flint lake]

its an okay choice except for the fact that you'll too often not be able to swing through any specialist or elites that get stuck in with the crowd

[hollow ibex]

DS has even worse cleave my man

[flint lake]

at that point you rely on the mobilty

[silver patrol]

DS hits like what

[tame lodge]

While Rashad 1.5 cleave will damage a second groaner
With the possibility of killing it on top of that

[silver patrol]

2? 3? targets in a light attack

and you tickle all 3 of them

[flint lake]

DS can easily 1 shot most elites and specials Very quickly without breaking stride

[silver patrol]

at least you can just spam l1

[hollow ibex]

Yeah cuz it gives up its horde clear for single target damage

[tame lodge]

4.5 cleave on lights
Bad cleave damage distribution

[silver patrol]

yeah that's 2-3 targets

depending

and the lights do very low damage by themselves aswell

[sonic kayak]

Not if I'm using the DS5

[flint lake]

if you're taking shovel, you legit need to take frags and maybe consider serated blade

[hollow ibex]

Even DS5 horde clear is… man

[turbid ibex]

Dark souls 5

[silver patrol]

ds5 is the one with wide sweeps for lights right?

[turbid ibex]

Woaw

[flint lake]

not bad things to have

frags are great

but shovel is very reliant on having them

[silver patrol]

it really isn't

[hollow ibex]

It has a heavy horde clear swing

[silver patrol]

then i was thinking of the mk3

[hollow ibex]

So it actually has some semblance of clear

[silver patrol]

or whatever the stabby stabby one is

[hollow ibex]

Prob 4

[silver patrol]

mk4 yeah

[flint lake]

it is

shovel is just a very safe pick

but not great for killing

if you go for a melee build i wouldn't recomend it

[tame lodge]

Mk2 is the one with cough horde clear cough because H2 has 6.5 cleave and ok cleave damage distribution

But

It's on the h2

Which you have to loop

With lights

They massacred my goat Mk2

[flint lake]

strictly for hoard clearing the dclaw is better

[hollow ibex]

Tell that to Cole getting a 4m damage game in h40 using shovel

[flint lake]

the shovel offers superiour safety however

[tame lodge]

Inflated havoc numbers

With a third party software

[hollow ibex]

True true

[hollow ibex]

True true

[tame lodge]

That could possibly be tweaked on

[turbid ibex]

Im gonna inflate you

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

Horde was paid actors

[flint lake]

bro havoc 40 is just constant disruption

shouting and shoving

and frags all over

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[flint lake]

melee is almost irrelivent

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

Has to be bait

[flint lake]

if the enemy isn't on their back they better just be dead

[turbid ibex]

Lmao

[flint lake]

its way easier to control large packs of elites than it is to kill them outright

[flint lake]

u think a plasma vet with a psword is leading melee damage in havoc 40?

[finite skiff]

How the fuck do I use the knife? It feels wimpy compared to the other options but I want to level up it's mastery while I am farming Malice.

[tame lodge]

You hit heads

And spam push attack

[turbid ibex]

I can see it yeah

Its fucking power sword

[tame lodge]

Until you run out of stamina and start throwing hebys

[hybrid plover]

I mean. It's the power sword.

[finite skiff]

Plasma and Psword is the safest option but having a really good 'anti ranged' vet with a hellbore or bolter can be a godsend sometimes.

[hybrid plover]

That wouldn't be surprising at all.

[tame lodge]

And punch people

[flint lake]

Psword can' even kill scab trash in one heavy swing

[tame lodge]

Oh also avoid bleed blessings

[turbid ibex]

LMAO

[hybrid plover]

"Heavy"

Ahh

I see.

[tame lodge]

Unpowered? Sure

[flint lake]

no powered

fr

[tame lodge]

But gladly we don't play unpowered sword

[finite skiff]

Thing about plasma and sword, there is nothing it's 'bad' against but it can't rapid fire kill off gunners and reapers like a hellbore or bolter can with good aim.

Dandy, most people pick the powered weapons because they can turn on 'ignore armor' mode. Even if a dedicated anti-armor bonker will kill a mauler faster, being able to horde clear and damage carapace is a good bonus.

[hybrid plover]

What is your power sword setup lol

How is that not killing scabs?

[finite skiff]

Which blessings would you suggest?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny + Riposte/Precognition

Pretty standard

[finite skiff]

I was already going for those thankfully because 'stab faster' seemed too good to pass up and I love me some rending.

[flint lake]

cycler and sunder

[tame lodge]

Knife shines with Weakspot and critical hits
So that blessing combo ends up being very optimal

[hybrid plover]

Also. You never use heavies for horde clear on power sword

Honestly you don't really use heavies at all for the most part.

[flint lake]

I'm old. Back in my day, the Psword heavy could clear an entire room with one charge

hard not to feel like its severely weakened

[hybrid plover]

When it was blatantly unbalanced?

[flint lake]

Yep

way unbalanced

[hybrid plover]

Just because it got nerfed from that point, doesn't mean it's suddenly bad now.

[analog mural]

I mean, going from 7 to 3 charged hits will make you feel weakened

[hybrid plover]

It is still one of the strongest generalists in the entire game.

[flint lake]

heavy swings are bad apparently

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. They're typically a loss in dps compared to light spam or push light light for single target.

[flint lake]

I'll try that in future then

[hybrid plover]

You also use mk6

The other mk is pointless.

[flint lake]

mk6 is the push stab?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[flint lake]

yeah that was fun when it could kill a crusher with two stabs

it was also fun when I could confidently mag dump to clear a patrol of crushers with the bolter too

ah the good ol days

now I gotta use the bolter like an ar15

[tall torrent]

They’re ok as combo starter for mixed horde dps

Unless u mean unpowered heavy

Which is useless just like every other unpowered power sword attack

[toxic reef]

I sometimes use heavies against mauler groups

[hybrid plover]

If you want the easy option. Mk6 is your pick.

Flesh Tearer (with Serrated Blade), Riposte or Precog + Uncanny.

[flint lake]

rather just unload a las pistol into mauler groups

[hybrid plover]

Never Lacerate

[flint lake]

blam blam blam

dead

[analog mural]

You mean mercy killer with serrated blade?

[hybrid plover]

No. Flesh Tearer.

[analog mural]

Ew

[hybrid plover]

Mercy Killer isn't really crazy.

[tame lodge]

I think the logic is that you CRIT once and then the bleed finishes it off

[hybrid plover]

60% weakspot damage is decent, but not that much. And they have to be bleeding first to really take advantage.

[hybrid plover]

It's more like it's basically creating a second channel of dps alongside your attacks. Which typically isn't amazing cuz bleed itself isn't that good except, this class sauces up DoT damage so much that it's actually worth it for vet.

[analog mural]

That's what the serrated Blade is for though. One punch is all it takes

[hybrid plover]

Yeah.

Still ain't great.

[flint lake]

how yall run shovel? what refinements?

[hybrid plover]

60% weakspot is not nearly as big of a bonus as it sounds.

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer is not that good compared to flesh tearer

[hybrid plover]

Because of how weakspot is calculated in general.

[tall torrent]

It is a substantial bonus

It however is not nearly as substantial as 10 stacks of bleed with UNCANNY STRIKE

[hybrid plover]

But it ain't enough for me to say it's worth it compared to

That

It's not 60% damage on weakspos

It's 60% added to the bonus you get from weakspots.

[analog mural]

Yeah I'm aware how the math works I just don't think flesh tearer is that good, but if you think it is I guess there must be some truth to it

[hybrid plover]

Vet is the class that brute forces it into working.

Because 45% extra global damage from bottom right nodes is very balanced obviously.

Bleed ain't great itself otherwise.

[tough nova]

60% is a massive damage buff for a weapon with finesse scaling like that

The damage gap between a regular and weakspot hit is greater than the damage of a regular hit.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Even then, flesh tearer inches forward for most situations except bosses.

Since for those, you're gonna end up hitting 16 stacks either way.

Flesh tearer is more generalist compared to mercy killer. And I'd much rather have that.

10 stacks on bleed with uncanny stacks is simply

Not really balanced lmao

[tough nova]

Yah knife suffers from success. Best blessing pool in the game.

Imagine if all weapons had such variety of choice

[flint lake]

Psword needs power cycler just gone

good selection of blessings there too but if you're not taking Pcycler its garbo

3 swings should just be a feature

[turbid ibex]

Fuck no

Do not buff power sword

[tame lodge]

No no
I agree
Buff Psword

Only melee that matters anyways

[turbid ibex]

Power cycler tax is one of the very few things keeping power sword from being even more fucking busted

Imagine if you could run slaughterer+brumentum/sunder and still have 3 swings

[flint lake]

be so fun tho

[turbid ibex]

Would also be incredibly fucking busted

[tame lodge]

True

[flint lake]

just give it fewer dodges

make vets plant their feet with it

more than they already are

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-7099278856497118059

[tame lodge]

Sorry but we have footage of guardsmen moving with a power sword

So planting wouldn't be lore accurate

[flint lake]

fewer dodges means higher risk

[tame lodge]

[narrow torrent]

Imagine arguing about melee when you can just shoot everything 😎

[tame lodge]

https://youtu.be/m8ZBwNg-5CI?si=uC3FDCRpy74lfQxc

Ignore that the power sword was powered for more than 5 seconds

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-out-dude-gif-7309611

[void dragon]

isnt the weapon that the girl has a power falchion?

[tame lodge]

Nah it actually killed stuff

(it definitely looks like one)
(But still, not the narrative I'm going for here)

In fact

You don't even see her dodging at all

But still not the narrative I'm going for here

[void dragon]

0 dodge weapon new meta

[slow sky]

They could, I know i was leading in melee damage with shovel, and ranged with double barrel, on the same build, into constant armor

And power sword is more killy

[toxic reef]

I have lead in melee damage in a H40 with psword

[sharp epoch]

melee hivescum though is gonna be leading above the best melee vet

[whole solstice]

beast of nurgle grab really needs a telegraph . . .

it's almost unreactable and requires a frame perfect dodge

[tame lodge]

You're aware that it only eats those puked on, right?

If you get puked on 3 times it's just guaranteed that it'll eat you

[whole solstice]

Yeah, I still think it's quite fast for what it is. There's a reasonable telegraph for both of the other original bosses grab attacks, it should at least be more possible to know when the attack is about to hit

there's barely a second between the action and the consequence

[tall torrent]

Don’t get hit by vomit and you won’t need it

[whole solstice]

very hard to do considering the spawn locations on some of the maps with very little open space to kite and hallways it barely fits through

[tall torrent]

The only rly bad spawn for BoN are hab dreyko escape and Gloriana catwalk

[tame lodge]

I do agree that BoN likes to spawn at the worst place worst time possible

[whole solstice]

I was on gloriana in my recent one yeah

[tame lodge]

There's a reason why I'm BoN strongest hater

[tall torrent]

But if ur on vet/zealot u usually have the tools to nuke BoN

Krak + power sword kills it very fast

[whole solstice]

beast spawned right after my whole team went down and I tried to stun it with 2 krak but it apparently didn't work to my advantage

[tall torrent]

BoN weakspot takes x140% damage from melee

[whole solstice]

I fucked up the timing but I still think the grab is a little overtuned

[tall torrent]

There’s stagger immune window to be aware of

The best case of using krak on BoN is to create dps window for ur melee

[whole solstice]

complete side tangent but that team blamed me for the loss because I was 20 feet out of coherency in a room over from them and they couldn't defend themselves against a horde of dregs at t-level 100+

all in coherency by the way

some people who play below auric are strange man

[tall torrent]

true level means nothing rly

[tame lodge]

3 people dying together is crazy though

[whole solstice]

yeah for real I was baffled

Like I'm not good enough to carry above heresy bro

[tall torrent]

u can learn how to

[whole solstice]

all of my builds are made to cause mayhem on the large scale with a team covering my ass

I can potentially clutch on arbitrator or vet but not my zealot

I, for some reason, am just bad at zealot

I don't like their abilities

[tall torrent]

then they should be able to solo carry

[tall torrent]

zealot usually wants a dps ult

[whole solstice]

my psyker is my solo carry tbh

it's so high in dps that it's essentially throwing because you're the only one having any fun

unless you get whacked then all momentum is gone

[tall torrent]

psyker is prob 2nd or 1st worst solo class

[whole solstice]

oh it is the worst solo class but I built it to be melee dps so it's at the very least survivable for a good 2 mins solo

which, usually, if there isn't a boss or a crusher patrol, is all you should really need

[tall torrent]

u should just learn how to solo carry on every class

[sharp epoch]

solo runs are usually cheesed though by abilities/mobility

[tall torrent]

solo speedruns, yea

not true solo

[whole solstice]

that's a matter of improving my dodge muscle memory and remembering there are sound queues for basic horde enemy attacks

[tall torrent]

true solo is normal playing, just 1 player

no speedrun

[narrow frost]

Speedruns ≠ True solo

[whole solstice]

a darktide speedrun would probably look a little crazy

[tall torrent]

it's very cheap lol

[shrewd topaz]

Knife stealth zealot:

[tall torrent]

just run ahead and ignore enemies with knife/laspistol + stealth

u could even cheese true survivor with this

[tame lodge]

The number of out of map clipping has reduced
So it's not as crazy anymore

[sharp epoch]

theyre still cheesed you just run past everything then kill them in chokepoint

[narrow frost]

no?

watch mine

I do full clears

[tall torrent]

no true solo is actually killing most things as they spawn in and progressing at a normal rate

[whole solstice]

I'm seeing some ridiculous speed on the one I'm watching

I didn't even know zealot could get that fast

[sharp epoch]

i think people have different definitions because the one I pulled up involve running past most enemies then grouping them up at a chokepoint

[weak hamlet]

What's the sweats' perspective about confirmed kill vs exhilerating takedown ? Both seem good

[shrewd topaz]

Confirmed kill on literally every build

[hollow ibex]

ET is niche

Not bad just very build specific

[weak hamlet]

I seem to remember, when skill trees came out, people were running ET a lot because of how easy it was to proc with the plasma gun 🤔

But yeah I see CK everywhere

[slow sky]

When the skill trees came out, confirmed kill was near the bottom of the tree

It was way harder to reach

[quasi swallow]

if im running exec stance helbore build is gunner dmg resistance necessary? im going be clapping them all anyway

[slow sky]

Both depends on the difficulty and the situation

[quasi swallow]

mostly auric and just in a general sense

[slow sky]

You can face tank gunners with no dodging in havoc 40 with it as long as youre getting kills and have tunnel vision up

[quasi swallow]

alright bet ill try switching it out

[slow sky]

But its probably not needed in auric
However
It does help mitigate chip damage from anything swinging at you while youre being shot at

[quasi swallow]

mhm mhm

[hybrid plover]

You're literally talking to the one of the very few people that can actually true solo without that lmao

[quasi swallow]

i shall experiment

[hybrid plover]

A little awareness don't hurt

[ionic trail]

i'd ask this in general chat but it prevents uploading images

does this text mean.. anything? What would happen if I selected Quickplay with Private Game on? do we start our own match and people can quickplay into it or can nobody join the match besides the two of us? Can't find enough info to fully answer my question but I feel silly.

[hybrid plover]

I believe you won't actually get anyone into the lobby.

But you do reap the benefit of quickplaying

[ionic trail]

truly?

that is... actually very nice

🤔

[weak hamlet]

Oh right that's what changed

Couldn't remember

I just """clutched""" a maelstrom game alongside a smyker. I fully admit I couldn't have done it without the plasma gun, it's still BIS.

[hollow ibex]

Plasma is strong, just very boring

[weak hamlet]

As much as I love the bolt pistol, if I wanna be serious and take every chance I can get at the skill level I have I need the pointy stick and the blue flashlight.

[weak hamlet]

I prefer to use the bolt pistol or the revolver, yes

[shrewd topaz]

Smh not using db

[weak hamlet]

But at the same time, plasmas are the 40k weapons to me

I run a plasma every chance I get in Dark Heresy

[slow sky]

Plasma is great, equipping it reminds me why I never use it

[shrewd topaz]

We have plasma at home

+150% cleave revolver

[slow sky]

Double barrel is just plasma but im allowed to have fun

[weak hamlet]

At the table I play at, the equivalent to the right click is called "maximal". It consumes 3 ammo out of 12, you can't shoot at your next turn, and you add one die and 2 armour piercing to your roll.

I love that thing so much

I once did 27 damage to a target that had 9 HP with it

[shrewd topaz]

Adhd gameplay on 280 ping my beloved

[weak hamlet]

I wish we had a plasma pistol

[slow spade]

join Nurgle for that uwU

[weak hamlet]

Are you implying I haven't already?

The grandfather is my favourite silly guy

He's so silly and fun and definitely won't desacrate every ounce of your being

I underestimated that set

It looks cool

[sharp epoch]

he doesnt own the definition of the word, if I google "true solo darktide" its cheesed gameplay

[hybrid plover]

I mean I've seen several instances of "true solo" that isn't that.

And very often if it's a cheese run, person uploading it tends to make it clear it is, whether it's the title or they mention it in the description.

[narrow frost]

End of the day it's whatever you think it is

There is no concrete definition

[slow spade]

? no it's my definition because I could never be wrong UwU

[narrow frost]

I think in the context of skill, true solo being one where the player is challenged without needing to run past enemies and reach entity cap is the best form of skill

I often use "full clear" for my solos

Play trigger by trigger until horde exhaustion

So I literally have fought the entire map

[sharp epoch]

"true solo" is literally just using the true solo mod

speedrun is a subset of true solo

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. That doesn't mean every instance of a true solo is a speedrun or cheese.

Yeah, true solo could be a blanket term but to say all of them are cheesed runs is just blatantly wrong

[sharp epoch]

usually

[serene bough]

I wouldnt consider a speed run true solo

Its missing the entire point

[hybrid plover]

Idk maybe I'm just seeing a completely different situation here with my algorithm but I search true solo. First instances I get are actual runs that aren't cheesed.

[slow sky]

https://youtu.be/aUla3YgUHjs

[hybrid plover]

The very first one is over an hour long 😭

I think only Ainz has that beat with their H40 fatmangus run

[narrow frost]

my arby run was 90min

[turbid ibex]

amongus run

[narrow frost]

and my zealot was 115min

[tame lodge]

Guys
Can't use mobility on true solo no more

[hybrid plover]

So I was right about the time.

[tame lodge]

So no

Running

Walking

[hybrid plover]

Just not the specific run

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-fighting-problem-dont-fight-thomas-shelby-peaky-blinders-gif-16613715

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/caffeine-ren-me-when-the-zoomies-bunny-gif-22991327

[serene bough]

Pretty much

[frigid rover]

ive never given it much thought but i am kind of curious what goes out the window of viability in true solo versus coop

[narrow frost]

not much

everything is viable

some thing's power does change

[frigid rover]

besides the obvious things anyway like 'you have no team to support with team support perks'

[frigid rover]

i would enjoy if you cared to elaborate

reading insights into this kind of thing is fun

[tall torrent]

Stun immune’s value goes up significantly

Is prob the biggest difference?

[narrow frost]

on dodge talents too

way more uptime

since 100% agro is on you

[shrewd topaz]

Normal sprint isnt fast enough to break away from horde right

[hollow ibex]

gotta sprint slide

[shrewd topaz]

But muh dodge recharge

[shrewd topaz]

Do you just dodge back and block to recharge dodge or what usually

[tame lodge]

You just stop dodging for 0.85 second

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[shrewd topaz]

I love my small indie company discord

[slow sky]

You can rotate between pacing your dodges to let stamina regen, and blocking to let dodges regen

[next acorn]

[gentle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-necron-disintegration-gif-3978002460787846575

[trail ore]

@gentle lake we need to talk

[gentle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-necron-disintegration-gif-3978002460787846575

[grand perch]

Hey guys what's going on in this cha-

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-necron-disintegration-gif-3978002460787846575

[fading girder]

hey guys can good bolt pistol bui-

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-necron-disintegration-gif-3978002460787846575

[distant mural]

Why is that poor guardsmen being violated so much?

[fading girder]

he got rattled

[blazing jetty]

it's okay, that particular guardsman was kind of a dick

probably

[fading girder]

he didnt bless his rifle that mornin' ,deserved

[nimble jay]

Does the backstory even account for anything?

• Rocyria.
• Grox-prodder.
• Volunteer.
• Field promotion.
• Insubordination.

[fading girder]

most of boil down to "someone of high status falsely judged you / used you as a scapegoat / used you improve their image

[nimble jay]

When I finished, it said that Trentis (my character) didn't bow fast enough to a passing high ranking individual.

[fading girder]

yea , checks out , didnt stroke their ego fast enough lmfao

[flint lake]

You'lll never receive awknowldgement for your background beyond the initial story summary given to you in character creation

[nimble jay]

I also chose professional.

Didn't expect the amount of shit talk towards the psyker, tho.

[fading girder]

if you pick cadia as a homeworld that comes up as convo in missons

idk about other worlds

[pseudo fiber]

Psykers are pretty hated hahah

[nimble jay]

Cadia's display always brings a smile to my face.

[distant mural]

The professional brutally roasts cadia once

Its one of the best lines

Oh and the agitator too

[trail ore]

you would hate them too considering they're walking time bombs that have a potential to rip a hole into the warp

[tidal warren]

yeah if there were actual perils of the warp the class wouldnt be worth it

me when everything in a 50 meter radius around my psyker gets hit by a psychic storm

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[unreal nova]

Seems like Vostroyan rerun now. Just incase you are still playing and wanting them.

[tropic halo]

I dont think they are in the server anymore

[unreal nova]

Oh, just remembered someone asking about it awhile back.

[pseudo fiber]

I did tell them the 2nd

Carry on proud son of Vostroya

[past peak]

To be fair if you knew a guy that could sneeze and accidentally turn you inside out you'd be pretty upset with him too

[tall torrent]

Professional doesn’t hate the psyker much he’s mainly just indoctrinated to not trust them

[pseudo fiber]

Cutthroat hates them because he hates everyone

Except his best friend Savant psyker

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat is the best personality purely from him being the only guy that tells hive scum to “take care of themselves”

[pseudo fiber]

Loose cannon is the best because he is funny

@tall torrent

Shamelessly stolen

[tall torrent]

Pretty nice

[tame lodge]

1000 kills laspistol

[pseudo fiber]

If I do the rest of the pistol category do I get diamond?

[tame lodge]

Up to chromatic iirc

[turbid ibex]

no

i will get diamond instead :3

[pseudo fiber]

For no reason anyone got a las pistol build

[turbid ibex]

no

nobody has ever thought of making a veteran build with laspistol

[tame lodge]

Don't got one in me but you could probably just search something about ScabAteMyLegs

[tall torrent]

So remember that one infantry lasgun build I sent u

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah lmfao

[tall torrent]

(Yea it’s better with laspistol)

[pseudo fiber]

I've gots an idea

[tame lodge]

Only Mk10 user btw

[pseudo fiber]

That's right the mkx las pistol

[turbid ibex]

what was it again

[tall torrent]

Mk10 unfortunately not good

Well, not nearly as good as mk2 anyway

[tall torrent]

Double rending

[turbid ibex]

donding

[pseudo fiber]

Even with the uhhhhhhh ranged cleave?

[tall torrent]

It’s 1.5 cleave

lol

[pseudo fiber]

This one

[turbid ibex]

woaw

[pseudo fiber]

They gotta make a comically gilded power sword skin

[hollow ibex]

withering fire on ilas? 🤔

[pseudo fiber]

It's basically been the goat for veteran for 3 years

[tall torrent]

It’s that or field improv and neither matters

[tame lodge]

Pick your poison

[pseudo fiber]

Withering fire helped me pop trappers a few times

[hollow ibex]

would rather take field improv

[pseudo fiber]

So honestly can't complain

[flint lake]

why take tinker?

[turbid ibex]

havoc crushers

[flint lake]

ah!

that would make sense

[nimble jay]

The bolt pistol has a surprisingly long range.

[unreal nova]

Still has a cap though. Consignment Yard will show it if you try to shoot at the furthest away thing from the outlook before the finale.

[ancient path]

many are such cases....

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/discombobulate-sherlock-holmes-sherlock-robert-downey-junior-rdj-gif-22063536

[nimble jay]

The bolter is - of course - a wonder weapon.

Landed the killing blow on Rodin.

[unreal nova]

You mean the random stealth poxxer.

[heavy rover]

Add stealth crushers too

[silk condor]

"I SMELL YOUR BLASPHEMY!"

[tough nova]

Does the special zarona shell have different crit/weakspot scaling hipfired vs ads?

[hearty panther]

yes

wait

.....maybe

they did change some stuff

now i cant recall

[tough nova]

They changed agri for hipfire to match ads finesse damage but not the zarona. The special doesnt indicate a difference in ads vs hip tho.

[nimble jay]

Is there a gun better than the bolter?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-in-the-middle-hal-malcolm-in-the-middle-walter-white-son-you-know-theres-no-going-back-once-you-start-gif-24814440

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah

Helbore 😈

[tame lodge]

(that's exactly what I would say)

[turbid ibex]

double barrel

[tough nova]

Bistol forever. Working mans weapon.

[tall torrent]

yes, check guide

[fair shale]

Is bolter even a top 5 weapon for vet

[willow prairie]

@tall torrent chatgpt what the optimal roll for ripper agaib

[fair shale]

66 ammo ammo iirc?

Trying to remember other weird stat

Think it's 74 collat

[turbid ibex]

66 ammo 74 collat

For the jank with "for every 10% of ammo spent" blessings

[tall torrent]

66 ammo

[tall torrent]

kinda?

I think vet has a lot of strong ranged picks

[fair shale]

They do

Helbore being numero uno iirc

I haven't vetted in awhile tbh

Addicted to scum movement like I'm addicted to nic

[tall torrent]

it depends

helbore could be #1 if vet bottom left didn't suck ass

@pseudo fiber lmao the new laspistol skin's reload animation is broken

[heavy rover]

If anyone has yet to try smokes, I did a havoc 40 run and it went smooth as silk

[void dragon]

Smokes are goated, how are people still sleeping on them?

[hybrid plover]

Because realistically, Havoc is where they shine.

[void dragon]

Expeditions are another good place where they shine imo

[amber vortex]

Crushers

Specifically crushers

[sharp epoch]

honestly because theres always a bubble psyker which does the same thing but better

[hearty panther]

Opposite imo

[void dragon]

def the opposite, in higher difficulties specially since bubble last at best 6 seconds whit the Havoc fire

[hearty panther]

No cooldown either, just a quantity.

[pseudo fiber]

Fuckkmk

[void dragon]

and one that refils fairly often for how they can nulify gunner gauntlets

[hearty panther]

And a pretty insane duration if you do spec into it for whatever reason.

[hybrid plover]

It doesn't lol

It's just that vet has other options that end up feeling more impactful

But runs with smoke vets ime are way safer

It's just a matter of if the vet can handle losing the utility of an offensive blitz

[serene bough]

there is too much smoke propaganda in here

[sharp epoch]

cons: cant see shit in smoke

[sharp epoch]

if it was that strong id see more smoke users in havoc

[fair shale]

Ehh

It requires effort to be strong

[serene bough]

its a bubble side grade at best

[fair shale]

Most people ime look for minimal effort for maximal effect type things

[heavy rover]

Heresy

[hollow ibex]

I mean for the job of countering ranged enemies

Smoke is clearly stronger

[serene bough]

on paper yes but youre handicapping DPS to do what bubble already does already extremely well

[hollow ibex]

Bubble also got a big nerf

And psykers offensive ults are very strong too

[serene bough]

more importantly, i hate smoke blocking my vision and screwing with my perception

[hollow ibex]

Just get a mod

[serene bough]

i dont use mods

[hollow ibex]

Lol too bad

[austere mica]

Taking Bubble is handicapping your dps just to do what smokes do extremely well already

[serene bough]

its ok i just wont play with smokes

[austere mica]

Real answer is take neither and just kill them faster

[serene bough]

not that i play much havoc anymore anyways

does bubble really handicap pyrostaff DPS that greatly

[hearty panther]

exponentially

[austere mica]

No soulblaze overcap

[serene bough]

hadnt noticed i guess since its already laughably OP

[hearty panther]

somewhat hyperbolic but its the difference between doing 1mil damage in a really good game to doing 2mil in a really good game or just doing 1mil in any game

[serene bough]

it still does its job of room clearing AoE

[hearty panther]

think of the difference one vs two shredder grenades provide in impact and shriek overtop purg is essentially that

[serene bough]

that is meaningful

[hearty panther]

except all the time

[serene bough]

i guess between krak vs smoke id always prefer krak

[hearty panther]

on a 9~s cooldown

[serene bough]

bubble to me just does the job well enough and elite armor deathballs are far more threatening than gunners to me

and it still blocks my vision to an irritating extent whereas bubble doesnt

i remember playing this one time someone brought smoke into rotten armor and purp H40

geniunely the worst game ive ever played

[hybrid plover]

Go inside the cloud.

You should be doing that anyway since you're supposed to treat smokes like a bubble shield anyway.

And bubble got hit really hard with the CD changes.

[serene bough]

i still dont see worth taking over kraks

but i will at least agree it is modifier and map dependent

[hybrid plover]

If you have good anticarapace in your setup, kraks while nice, aren't needed.

[serene bough]

neither smoke or bubble is needed if youre good at the game so i dont think its really the way to look at it

i.e., between cara elite death balls, mixed hordes, or gunner spam, ive lost far more game from elite death balls

gunners are just a positioning skill check imo

[hybrid plover]

A skill check that's also bullshit on certain maps honestly. It's okay when it's a map that actually has cover to work with.

But there's a fair few where that simply isn't the case. And while they're not needed ofc, they help a lot for those maps.

[sonic kayak]

Ascension Riser

[hybrid plover]

Trying to make the first drop on Warren on a gunner seed is pure, unfettered ass.

[sonic kayak]

Magistrati drainage tunnel

[hybrid plover]

You will get shot from angles that straight up don't make sense.

[serene bough]

sure ill concede certain maps can utilize more

[sonic kayak]

The gunners barraging you from the stairs and medicae

[serene bough]

but bubble still overall a better pick

[sonic kayak]

Smokes also help with stray shooters while you need to duel bosses

[hybrid plover]

I really just don't think it is anymore.

60s cooldown is brutal

For something that can pop under pressure in only 6s

[sonic kayak]

FUCK Ascension Riser btw

[serene bough]

idk what a more realistic uptime is when you factor in psyker CD reduction

[hybrid plover]

I'd say there's a consideration before bubble got nerfed. But there is a serious amount of downtime for bubble now that simply isn't as ignorable as it used to be even with the CDR beefing it has.

[serene bough]

id have to play H40 eventually to see how different it is then

this doesnt change my stance on smokes

the few times ive played with smokes were some of the most miserable games ive experienced

[hybrid plover]

The main issue with smokes is opportunity cost for vet's kit. But if the vet can work around that, smokes really are just a more consistent means of handling gunner pressure (especially so if they're mad enough to run exe stance with it)

[sonic kayak]

I think Ainz does

[serene bough]

i just dont struggle with gunners

[sonic kayak]

I've tried smoke exe builds before, not bad

[sonic kayak]

That's good, that means you're doing your job, but when everything happens at once then it's an extra security blanket which is the point

[serene bough]

the way i see it, taking bubble on psyker and handicapping DPS in practice means spending a few extra seconds to clear a room w/ soul blaze. Taking smokes on vet means avoiding specific DPS tools that deal with far more threatening and game ending situations (elite death balls or mixed hordes)

[sonic kayak]

Smoke stops dogs, flamers, slows down trappers, and stops shooters, all of them

It's 30s (with Tinkerer) of guaranteed cover that bubble can't guarantee

[serene bough]

i mean

do you really need 30s of cover

[hybrid plover]

It helps

[serene bough]

i find utilizing terrain is far better

[hybrid plover]

Especially when there's no cover to utilize.

[sonic kayak]

Well that's what makes smoke so much fun. You don't need to

[serene bough]

id argue if theres no cover to utilize you didnt position properly, in many secnarios

[sonic kayak]

You're essentially making 30s of barricades, and you carry 3 or 4

You can put down a bunch of them even

[serene bough]

but thats a very case by case dependent argument so its not the strongest i guess

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Cuz there are several points on maps that will simply ask of you to run across open ground with no cover.

Many of those points being listed above.

[serene bough]

I think good players who have groups to play with overstate the benefits of smoke bc they move faster and more aggressively through maps

[sonic kayak]

I personally don't run kraks because chances are I'm playing with other armor/boss deleters and chances are that they'll kill things faster than kraks can, and frags are good CC but again, things are dead or almost there, which leaves smokes

[hybrid plover]

You also use power sword

So I mean

[sonic kayak]

[hybrid plover]

Why do you really need help with carapace

[sonic kayak]

Exactly

[serene bough]

bc its more useful in several more scenarios for everyone to clear elite death balls

[hybrid plover]

Again. It's just opportunity cost overshadowing what's actually a pretty useful blitz.

[serene bough]

if bubble didnt exist id agree

[hybrid plover]

You really should try bubble after the nerf

I guarantee you. You will notice a difference.

[serene bough]

its useful but comes at cost of extremely valuable DPS tools to do what psyker already has been doing so i dont see the value

[serene bough]

i have a feeling i wont be convinced to be honest

[hybrid plover]

Because the psyker simply doesn't do it as well anymore.

Again

Full minute cooldown.

That's. Nothing to scoff at. That's a real hit to bubble uptime that you can feel.

[sonic kayak]

Mind you, without Trench Fighter

[serene bough]

i still dont see why it matters

[hybrid plover]

I feel it anytime I run with a bubble psyker.

[serene bough]

to put it differently I dont feel like im playing well if I can't operate without 30s of ranged fire, i see bubble as a brief reprieve to reposition or fortify an already defensive position

[hybrid plover]

Because once upon a time. They could just overlap shields with how fast they could come back.

That isn't really a thing anymore.

And when a shield can just break in such a short time

It starts to build up.

[sonic kayak]

I'm gonna put it even differently than that

When have you encountered a Psyker who made you go "man that is a good bubble?" Chances are rarely

Most people put them behind or at their position instead of ahead

Instead of relying on someone else to do it, I'll do it, and it's still just as good

[serene bough]

yeah, sorry, not convinced

[sonic kayak]

That's fine

[serene bough]

the few games Ive played H40 with smoke users was miserable

[hybrid plover]

It's weird that I've had

The literal opposite experience

[sonic kayak]

Well you haven't played with me

[narrow frost]

I saw a havoc once

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Bushman is really good with smokes.

I've played with a bunch of smoke vets that knew how to smoke while still putting out really good damage.

Because blitzes aren't the only means of vet doing great damage.

[hearty panther]

pssh, doubt it

[sonic kayak]

I've out damaged Psykers a few times

[serene bough]

sure, but i still value elite damage and boss stun over smoke

[hybrid plover]

The main issue I can say about smokes is that you have to cater your setup around having a blitz that isn't damaging.

[sonic kayak]

You need fucking eagle eyes too

[serene bough]

I think the disconnect here is that really, really good players are using smokes

[sonic kayak]

Also the ability to focus on different things at once since your blitz isn't a delete option

[serene bough]

because they have no issue being aggressive and tossing smokes where they want to jump into melee and pushing forward

and if you don't know what youre doing you fold over and are also handicapping your damage

[hybrid plover]

It's a blitz with a particularly high skill floor and particularly high ceiling.

And I'm okay with that.

[tall torrent]

I think smokes need buffs still

[hybrid plover]

Maybe a stagger buff.

[tall torrent]

It’s not high enough utility

[sonic kayak]

But that's.. kinda what you should be doing, pushing with everyone else

[tall torrent]

I think it should counter bombers too

A single bomber will fuck smoke over

[hybrid plover]

Okay yeah I would not mind this.

[serene bough]

not really

[hybrid plover]

But that's the same logic for bubble too

Because bombers fucking suck

[serene bough]

many of the miserable smoke games ive mentioned are people basically doing this and then immediately dying

[tall torrent]

The difference is that psyker is 4-5x veteran’s mixed horde dps just by taking inferno

When they really should be at most 40~50% higher

[sonic kayak]

Because chances are they're mindless charging and attacking everything that everyone else is already targeting instead of paying attention to their surroundings, and that's just a pub Vet problem than a smoke problem

Vet is a hybrid class for better or worse, you're supposed to be swapping targets on the fly

Vet is also deceptively flimsy

[tall torrent]

And psyker have essentially free picks for single target melee

[serene bough]

if the blitz requires an extremely skilled player to utilize to its advantageous potential, id argue the blitz that requires minimum to no effort with meaningful results (kraks/shredders) is overall the better choice

[tall torrent]

Smokes just don’t do enough utility atm

The utility it has is very good but it needs more

[sonic kayak]

I'll agree with that tbh

Especially the bomber shit

Annoying even with Psyker's bubble too

[tall torrent]

And smoke can’t cheese BoN well/easily

[serene bough]

at least bubble stops fire to an extent

not bombers directly

but it will stop the grenade

let bubble regen toughness and let smokes regen stamina if you ask me

in addition to quenching fire

[tall torrent]

Smokes can use like 3 buffs to utility

It needs to put out existing fire & gas, and make fire/gas unable to be created inside active smoke

Some other utility buff from the concealment effect would also be nice

[hybrid plover]

Which admittedly, should have been able to do that from the beginning

[serene bough]

if smokes stopped fires and gas i'd stop being salty and accept smokes

until then im going to continue to seeth over them

[hybrid plover]

I acknowledge that smokes could do with buffs. But even then, at least currently, if we're talking for the sake of what they can do, there are things I truly do think they do better than bubble right now.

This is more a slight at current bubble than it is a selling point for smoke in my case.

[serene bough]

ill concede that i should be more open minded after the bubble nerf

but i still will continue to be bitter over my vision being blocked

but thats about all i got to say about smokes

[small mason]

There's a mod for that

[hybrid plover]

There shouldn't be. I do personally think the smoke should also just be easier to see through if you're not in the circle

But I honestly kinda feel the same way about bubble anyway because there are times where even that obscures my vision

[tall torrent]

Yes the utility they have is good
But it doesn’t have enough utility

[somber axle]

I kinda wonder how the other classes feel about smokes

I feel like Ogryn mains probably appreciate a good smoke but then the visibility loss is probably pretty awful too

[hybrid plover]

If I'm playing a melee class and you're giving me the means to stand somewhere so I don't get shot and dogs won't randomly instapounce me and get me killed, nothing but appreciation for that.

[serene bough]

i dont use mods

[small mason]

L

[hybrid plover]

The dog thing specifically helps a lot. The amount of times I'm dealing with a mixed horde and a dog just comes out of Fallujah and fucks my whole rhythm up

I cannot count anymore.

[hollow ibex]

Kinda sad that smoke has basically no use in the modes 90 percent of people play

[hybrid plover]

It's pretty much good where guns are actually genuinely lethal.

[hollow ibex]

Makes sense ngl

[hybrid plover]

Gratefully, I suppose Expeditions has also given them some purpose too.

(Even if I don't really like Expeditions as it currently stands because it just isn't fleshed out enough and getting bombarded by several pox bombers at extract is not fun)

But I digress.

[somber axle]

Smokes are fun for watching dogs run in circles but I think the grenade isn't clear on what it does because a lot of the time I throw a smoke and then people immediately run out of it to get dogged in a hunting grounds Auric/Maelstrom

[hybrid plover]

It's not.

[somber axle]

And tbh I'm sure a fair share of Vet players aren't even aware of the pox hound smoke interaction

[hybrid plover]

Just like a great majority of this entire game isn't really informative of what things do

[somber axle]

The grenade desperately needs a touch up even if only to the tooltip

At least if the grenade listed interactions properly then the skill issue is on the player for not reading, but then that just means Vet players will be more aware and doesn't help the odd other class running out of smoke because they're scared they won't see the angle of the pox hound pounce not knowing hounds can't pounce in smoke

They should've tied the smoke grenade penance to it imo

Even if it would be awkward to grind

Something like kill 50 pox hounds in smoke

Then people would at least see the interaction when doing the penance

[hybrid plover]

Smoke is a weird case where the more you understand the game, the better you can utilize them. But I don't think the reason why this is the case is a good reason

The game should be more informative so people that look at it at face value actually understand what they're supposed to do.

But that's asking for too much for this game where you need to google search to figure out what rending is actually supposed to do.

[iron parcel]

there was a mod where you could put a scope on helbore when i played ages ago, is this still a thing 🤔 or is there a native way to do this

[pseudo fiber]

you're thinking of extended weapon customisation

but also like helbore sights got adjusted

also teh vostroyan skin sights (available now!) are fine too

[iron parcel]

yea i just don't know how to feel about irons on the only sniper

[iron parcel]

p2w scope?

/hj

i have some aquila so

[pseudo fiber]

it's a little better

if you like the skin get it don't do it for irons

[iron parcel]

ill give it a shot if it looks nice thank you paid fatshark plant!

[pseudo fiber]

hang on

let me send apicture

[iron parcel]

it looks cute

[pseudo fiber]

I simp for the Vostroyan firstborn not for the large fishy

[iron parcel]

but yea if you have a pic of the irons

[livid sphinx]

Apprently spamming quickscope on the bolter is an actual tech https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1s9s005/quickly_leaving_and_reentering_ads_can_cancel_the/

[iron parcel]

i dont really mind the base irons

i do have 2500 so i could buy a nice skin instead

[pseudo fiber]

Cleaner

[pseudo fiber]

baffling bug

[tall torrent]

not the first time laspistol has reload problem

the mastery skin has had issue with reload since release

still not fixed btw